Re: [maemo-users] Usage
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 04:51:29PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: Just so I can see how my usage patterns and view of the 770/n800 mesh with the community I'd be curious to know if I'm alone in the way I treat my noki. It is to me a palmtop not a PDA. I use it to increase my mobility and decrease my load, carrying it instead of a laptop. To me my 770 is a laptop replacement. I'm in charge of multiple data centers and it's a joy not having to lug a laptop out to dinner etc, in case I get an emergency call. However I get the feeling most here see it as either a PDA (like a palm) or as a multimedia device (ala windows mobile or an iPhone). Forgive me, I'm accustomed to thinking in use cases I guess. For me the #1 app is osso-xterm and what I miss the most is ping. To me my 770 replaces a laptop, a car radio, portable mp3 player, and a library. Sometimes also a map. Most useful apps: 1. FBReader 2. Audio Player 3. osso-xterm + ssh 4. Opera 5. Password Safe 6. Notes 7. Maemo Mapper What I miss the most is a useful contacts app. Marius Gedminas -- Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 04:36:35PM +0100, Mathias Uebelacker wrote: dito missing a remote desktop client to manage windows based server There was an rdesktop port for OS2005. If the sources were not lost, I think it wouldn't be too hard to port it to newer OSes. A somewhat harder job would be to make the virtual keyboard work, and maybe add a toolbar like VNC Viewer has. Marius Gedminas -- MCSE == Marginal Computer Software Enthusiast signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
I'm using rdesktop for IT2006, works perfect, from maemo App Catalog. You just need to enter user and password, and enble the accessibility keyboard in windows. I thought it was useless before! On 1/30/07, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 04:36:35PM +0100, Mathias Uebelacker wrote: dito missing a remote desktop client to manage windows based server There was an rdesktop port for OS2005. If the sources were not lost, I think it wouldn't be too hard to port it to newer OSes. A somewhat harder job would be to make the virtual keyboard work, and maybe add a toolbar like VNC Viewer has. Marius Gedminas -- MCSE == Marginal Computer Software Enthusiast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFv2gikVdEXeem148RArKCAJ4/WPfYiy/7fA2utuHdeOVHEe4N3gCeLGAC pSlnbwfVDu9m0XatzKG1C/A= =CZTc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- (:===:) Alvaro J. Iradier Muro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 11:39:14 James Sparenberg wrote: On Tuesday 30 January 2007 07:36:35 Mathias Uebelacker wrote: dito missing a remote desktop client to manage windows based server br Mathias Mathias checkout the garage, someone is busy porting Cytrix to the 770 and there is also VNC coming along. James URL might be nice sorry. http://bleb.org/software/770/ James 2007/1/30, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 04:51:29PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: Just so I can see how my usage patterns and view of the 770/n800 mesh with the community I'd be curious to know if I'm alone in the way I treat my noki. It is to me a palmtop not a PDA. I use it to increase my mobility and decrease my load, carrying it instead of a laptop. To me my 770 is a laptop replacement. I'm in charge of multiple data centers and it's a joy not having to lug a laptop out to dinner etc, in case I get an emergency call. However I get the feeling most here see it as either a PDA (like a palm) or as a multimedia device (ala windows mobile or an iPhone). Forgive me, I'm accustomed to thinking in use cases I guess. For me the #1 app is osso-xterm and what I miss the most is ping. To me my 770 replaces a laptop, a car radio, portable mp3 player, and a library. Sometimes also a map. Most useful apps: 1. FBReader 2. Audio Player 3. osso-xterm + ssh 4. Opera 5. Password Safe 6. Notes 7. Maemo Mapper What I miss the most is a useful contacts app. Marius Gedminas -- Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFv2ESkVdEXeem148RAu+/AJ0QZUs2eZZ06A3cc6wNP4/kWrGhgwCeJuhy XtUgsnQ6WYvsiXpKUZFNpPg= =kXWZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Good evening James, thanks i will do that. Mathias - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - Von: James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: maemo-users@maemo.org Gesendet: Di., 30. Jan. 2007 19:39:14 GMT Betreff: Re: [maemo-users] Usage On Tuesday 30 January 2007 07:36:35 Mathias Uebelacker wrote: dito missing a remote desktop client to manage windows based server br Mathias Mathias checkout the garage, someone is busy porting Cytrix to the 770 and there is also VNC coming along. James 2007/1/30, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 04:51:29PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: Just so I can see how my usage patterns and view of the 770/n800 mesh with the community I'd be curious to know if I'm alone in the way I treat my noki. It is to me a palmtop not a PDA. I use it to increase my mobility and decrease my load, carrying it instead of a laptop. To me my 770 is a laptop replacement. I'm in charge of multiple data centers and it's a joy not having to lug a laptop out to dinner etc, in case I get an emergency call. However I get the feeling most here see it as either a PDA (like a palm) or as a multimedia device (ala windows mobile or an iPhone). Forgive me, I'm accustomed to thinking in use cases I guess. For me the #1 app is osso-xterm and what I miss the most is ping. To me my 770 replaces a laptop, a car radio, portable mp3 player, and a library. Sometimes also a map. Most useful apps: 1. FBReader 2. Audio Player 3. osso-xterm + ssh 4. Opera 5. Password Safe 6. Notes 7. Maemo Mapper What I miss the most is a useful contacts app. Marius Gedminas -- Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFv2ESkVdEXeem148RAu+/AJ0QZUs2eZZ06A3cc6wNP4/kWrGhgwCeJuhy XtUgsnQ6WYvsiXpKUZFNpPg= =kXWZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
FYI I filed a bugzilla about the default busybox: Wishlist: include a bit more tools in shipped busybox https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=989 May be other users can add their favourite busybox configuration. Laurent ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 18:34 -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 yes and filed a bug against it, for some reason if I install it I loose graphics in the themes (files are there but I'got a white border to the left and no graphics on keyboards popups etc. Not sure but it fights with either fuse or pptp enabled kernel. To be on the safe side, I proceeded as follows with my N800 (which has sssh installed): 1/ on my desktop Linux pc mkdir -p /tmp/n cd /tmp/n wget http://mummola.cs.tut.fi/n770/files/busybox_1.01-4.osso10-ipv6.etc1_armel.deb ar x busybox_1.01-4.osso10-ipv6.etc1_armel.deb data.tar.gz tar xfz data.tar.gz mv ./bin/busybox ./bin/busybox2 scp ./bin/busybox2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/bin/ 2/ then on my N800 as root cd /usr/bin ln -s /bin/busybox2 ip ln -s /bin/busybox2 nc ln -s /bin/busybox2 ping ln -s /bin/busybox2 ping6 ln -s /bin/busybox2 telnet ln -s /bin/busybox2 traceroute 3/ Enjoy ping/ping6/telnet/traceroute and no risk to brick your N800 :). I did that because I noticed the list of app is not identical compared to the default busybox one: - [[ + depmod - fuser + ip + nc + ping + ping6 - sysctl + telnet + traceroute + wget Plus I believe busybox has options per apps. I wish busybox developers would make a busybox-extraNN that doesn't touch the existing system busybox. Okay you loose 300kB of flash but who cares :). I also wish nokia would include ping, telnet and traceroute by default :). Laurent http://guerby.org/blog/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, James Sparenberg wrote: the community I'd be curious to know if I'm alone in the way I treat my noki. It is to me a palmtop not a PDA. I use it to increase my mobility and decrease my load, carrying it instead of a laptop. I'd say I use my 770 for (in no particular order) Web/RSS, Email, MP3/Internet Radio the most. I usually, like now, ssh into my server with osso-xterm for e-mail using pine or mutt, as wel as various other tasks. The xterm has become way more usable since I got a mini keyboard. I would most like to see a good contacts and calendar program with decent syncing, as many on this list, as I think that is even more important for a small laptop replacement. I have retired my palm because I see no reason to carry it and my 770. If I did that, I might as well carry the laptop. Because I do not see these apps forthcoming, and I am tired of maintaining in multiple applications/computers, I have begun the process of moving all my info to text files. I started this with the Lifehacker.com todo.txt idea[1] and have been trudging forward ever since. I have a good part of my address book in abook, and have begun keeping finances in Ledger[2]. I am using 30boxes for calendaring, but combined with a couple scripts to facilitate command-line manipulation and text-viewing.[3] Along with the migration, I've begun using subversion for both file redundancy nd replication across computers. I would love a subversion client (command line okay) for maemo. Until then, I'll be setting up rsync soon. Maybe I should have/ should still use unison. I'm not sure though. Either way, though, it seems to me mixing the two could be problematic. I guess we'll see. K [1] http://todotxt.com [2] http://www.newartisans.com/ledger.html [3] http://bulknews.typepad.com/blog/2006/09/30boxespl_how_i.html -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
I've tried to install that advanced busybox, but not been able. - Mensaje original - De: Mike Lococo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: maemo-users@maemo.org Enviados: sáb, 27 de ene de 2007 02:29:44 CET Asunto: Re: [maemo-users] Usage To me my 770 is a laptop replacement. ... However I get the feeling most here see it as either a PDA (like a palm) or as a multimedia device (ala windows mobile or an iPhone). It's good for all those things, but there are more people that listen to music or use a calendar than that run multiple data centers ;). I use mine for all of the above, and when asked what the device is I tell them it's like an ultralight laptop, among other things. For me the #1 app is osso-xterm and what I miss the most is ping. Miss it no more... there is a busybox replacement with ping integrated, and an fping package listed on the wiki Application Catalog. Have you tried them? http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 Thanks, Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
I've tried to install that advanced busybox, but not been able. You need to use dpkg from the command line, and for me it went in smooth. download then in xterm. dpkg -i busybox-XXX where X denotes the rest of the name. - Mensaje original - De: Mike Lococo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: maemo-users@maemo.org Enviados: sáb, 27 de ene de 2007 02:29:44 CET Asunto: Re: [maemo-users] Usage To me my 770 is a laptop replacement. ... However I get the feeling most here see it as either a PDA (like a palm) or as a multimedia device (ala windows mobile or an iPhone). It's good for all those things, but there are more people that listen to music or use a calendar than that run multiple data centers ;). I use mine for all of the above, and when asked what the device is I tell them it's like an ultralight laptop, among other things. For me the #1 app is osso-xterm and what I miss the most is ping. Miss it no more... there is a busybox replacement with ping integrated, and an fping package listed on the wiki Application Catalog. Have you tried them? http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 Thanks, Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Usage
All, Just so I can see how my usage patterns and view of the 770/n800 mesh with the community I'd be curious to know if I'm alone in the way I treat my noki. It is to me a palmtop not a PDA. I use it to increase my mobility and decrease my load, carrying it instead of a laptop. To me my 770 is a laptop replacement. I'm in charge of multiple data centers and it's a joy not having to lug a laptop out to dinner etc, in case I get an emergency call. However I get the feeling most here see it as either a PDA (like a palm) or as a multimedia device (ala windows mobile or an iPhone). Forgive me, I'm accustomed to thinking in use cases I guess. For me the #1 app is osso-xterm and what I miss the most is ping. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
To me my 770 is a laptop replacement. ... However I get the feeling most here see it as either a PDA (like a palm) or as a multimedia device (ala windows mobile or an iPhone). It's good for all those things, but there are more people that listen to music or use a calendar than that run multiple data centers ;). I use mine for all of the above, and when asked what the device is I tell them it's like an ultralight laptop, among other things. For me the #1 app is osso-xterm and what I miss the most is ping. Miss it no more... there is a busybox replacement with ping integrated, and an fping package listed on the wiki Application Catalog. Have you tried them? http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 Thanks, Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
Why do you associate PDA w/necessarily having or not a PIM? PDA (to me) means same thing as palmtop. I look at N800 as PDA/palmtop...not UMPC/tablet. My iPAQ 4700 pda can do everything the N800 can do and more (at this point anyways). ssh, rdesktop, vnc, etc. I sure don't consider it a laptop replacement though...neither do I the N800. There are devices for your wrist (wach), for your hand (pocket pc, pda, palmtop) and larger for your hand (umpc, tablet pc). mike James Sparenberg wrote: All, Just so I can see how my usage patterns and view of the 770/n800 mesh with the community I'd be curious to know if I'm alone in the way I treat my noki. It is to me a palmtop not a PDA. I use it to increase my mobility and decrease my load, carrying it instead of a laptop. To me my 770 is a laptop replacement. I'm in charge of multiple data centers and it's a joy not having to lug a laptop out to dinner etc, in case I get an emergency call. However I get the feeling most here see it as either a PDA (like a palm) or as a multimedia device (ala windows mobile or an iPhone). Forgive me, I'm accustomed to thinking in use cases I guess. For me the #1 app is osso-xterm and what I miss the most is ping. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Usage
On Friday 26 January 2007 17:29, Mike Lococo wrote: To me my 770 is a laptop replacement. ... However I get the feeling most here see it as either a PDA (like a palm) or as a multimedia device (ala windows mobile or an iPhone). It's good for all those things, but there are more people that listen to music or use a calendar than that run multiple data centers ;). I use mine for all of the above, and when asked what the device is I tell them it's like an ultralight laptop, among other things. For me the #1 app is osso-xterm and what I miss the most is ping. Miss it no more... there is a busybox replacement with ping integrated, and an fping package listed on the wiki Application Catalog. Have you tried them? http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 yes and filed a bug against it, for some reason if I install it I loose graphics in the themes (files are there but I'got a white border to the left and no graphics on keyboards popups etc. Not sure but it fights with either fuse or pptp enabled kernel. James Thanks, Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
