Re: [Mailman-Developers] Gsoc

2012-04-04 Thread Benedict Stein
Salut François,

GSOC Application are generally done through the Melange Web Interface
which is on the Google Summer of Code Site.
Regarding the matter of Mailman - Florian / The Mailinglist is probably
the best way to contact the project people.

You'll find both things in CC

Also you'll find lots of addition information about mailman and GSOC
opportunities on the MAilinglist.

I've got only one question left - where did you get my Email ?

On 04/04/2012 17:16, François Ribémont wrote:
 Hello,
 I am a 4th year student in software in engineering who would like to
 apply for the project you have submitted on google summer of code.
 This will be my first gsoc, and I don't know much about it. So my
 first question is: is it the good way to contact you ? Is there any
 kind of : How to apply on your project ?

 Regards

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Pycon 2012 sprint start time

2012-03-12 Thread Benedict Stein
Well I'd say it's afternoon now, work just finished (17:19 - JNB Time)
so it's 1:10 left until it's IRC time :)

Gonna hear from all of you in a short while

On 12/03/2012 14:47, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote:
 * Barry Warsaw ba...@list.org:
 Pycon 2012 sprinters,

 I will probably be in the sprint room by 9:30am tomorrow, but we won't
 officially start until 10am.  Looking forward to seeing everyone there!
 Wish I was there! Greetings from Cologne, Germany. :)

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[Mailman-Developers] Update on UI development

2011-10-25 Thread Benedict Stein
Dear Mailman fellows,

just a short update in terms of the WebUI - we all know that the
targeted release date is now only a little bit more than two weeks to go
- @Barry 11.11.2011 is still the target ?
 
Regarding the WebUI development we promissed you to show of at least the
results from GSOC this year, but unfortuneatly during some business
related time issues we weren't able to do this yet.
To be honest - at least for me it's the first day really taking a look
at mailman after finishing GSOC, but I'm sure we'll all do our best to
get this thing up and running.
Florian tries to repair the tests for some tweaks which have been made
in a8. And I start working on the UI as well again - at least in the
evenings - (South African Time ~ CET) 

I've heard about one more fellow who wanted to step in - I'm sure we'll
find time and place to organize some kind of small meeting - but that's
up to Flo :)

SUMMARY: Back to work ;)
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[Mailman-Developers] ACL,security - how we'll implement it

2011-07-21 Thread Benedict Stein
Dear Mailman Developers,

we had a nice discussion this afternoon (13:00 - 15:00) UTC about this
topic.
I've written a small blogposts about the results which will be
implemented in near future.
http://benste.blogspot.com/2011/07/discussion-on-acls-using-mailman30-and.html

Key aspects:

Decided to use a Proxy which:

  * is responsible for exposing the user roles
  * using it's own DB
  * customizable to querry others - e.g. Launchpad
  * needs to be authenticated at the Core using REST-API (might get
https)
  * similar API to REST, but requiring a username to each request
  * each request will be handled based on username is already
authenticated - e.g in a web-session
  * will be able to raise HTTP401 (access denied) if user is not
allowed to do this action / get this option
  * might authenticate users based on a request(user;pswd)

Python Bindings for REST will be able to use both either Proxyed
REST or direct access to Rest depending on wheter the UI decides
to use it with a User object.
direct REST-API Calls will only be able on localhost

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[Mailman-Developers] tomorrow - discussion on how / where to implement ACL

2011-07-20 Thread Benedict Stein
Hi,
this IRC meeting will be about implementation of ACL which i do need for
the mailmanwebUI.
Everyone who is interested in this topic might be join the discussion on
IRC tomorrow.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3: list disabling/enabling?

2011-07-13 Thread Benedict Stein
HI Paul, or all others who want to get involved into mm3 WebUI
development.

I'm closly listening your dicsussion.
The WebUI is work in progress and there is nothing stable yet.
However if you're interested taking a look at the dev snippets take a
look at the following branches:
https://code.edge.launchpad.net/mailmanwebgsoc2011

Feel free to contact Flo or me on IRC (#benste)

PS: Little tutorial on how to get it running:
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=11960560

Please really keep in mind these are only suggested peaces of work which
don't even cover all basic functionallity.


Am Mittwoch, den 13.07.2011, 16:51 +0200 schrieb Paul Wise:

 On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
 
  It sounds like a lot, but I'd think it's only a day or two of work, and I'm
  happy to answer questions, review code, etc.
 
 I would like to get the design right first, after reading the full
 thread a couple of times, some thoughts:
 
 By bounce I meant SMTP-time rejection, sounds like the LMTP stuff
 provides that (and mailman 2 doesn't use that IIRC).
 
 Temporarily failing lists were not an objective.
 
 The design of list objects seems to be heavily similar to how the UI
 is in mailman 2, I think it should be much more generic.
 
 For example:
 
 In the web UI turning on emergency moderation should set the first
 item in the receive pipeline to a hold() function.
 
 Disabling a list would set the first item in the receive pipeline to
 reject_disabled, set the first item in the subscription pipeline to
 reject_disabled, set the first item in the settings pipeline to
 admin_read_only etc.
 
 List objects should be flexible to support different kinds of lists,
 but the UI should hide most of that behind simple labels like retired
 list, public list, private list and the emergency moderation
 button.
 
 PS: Is there a Mailman UI yet? The link on the Mailman branches wiki
 page points to one with only one commit in it and no working code.
 
 PPS: It seems Mailman 3 will be quite different to Mailman 2 so I'm
 thinking configuration filenames, data directories etc should be named
 mailman3 instead of mailman.
 


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Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3: list disabling/enabling?

2011-07-13 Thread Benedict Stein
HI Paul, or all others who want to get involved into mm3 WebUI
development.

I'm closly listening your dicsussion.
The WebUI is work in progress and there is nothing stable yet.
However if you're interested taking a look at the dev snippets take a
look at the following branches:
https://code.edge.launchpad.net/mailmanwebgsoc2011

Feel free to contact Flo or me on IRC (#benste)

PS: Little tutorial on how to get it running:
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=11960560

Please really keep in mind th


Am Mittwoch, den 13.07.2011, 16:51 +0200 schrieb Paul Wise: 

 On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
 
  It sounds like a lot, but I'd think it's only a day or two of work, and I'm
  happy to answer questions, review code, etc.
 
 I would like to get the design right first, after reading the full
 thread a couple of times, some thoughts:
 
 By bounce I meant SMTP-time rejection, sounds like the LMTP stuff
 provides that (and mailman 2 doesn't use that IIRC).
 
 Temporarily failing lists were not an objective.
 
 The design of list objects seems to be heavily similar to how the UI
 is in mailman 2, I think it should be much more generic.
 
 For example:
 
 In the web UI turning on emergency moderation should set the first
 item in the receive pipeline to a hold() function.
 
 Disabling a list would set the first item in the receive pipeline to
 reject_disabled, set the first item in the subscription pipeline to
 reject_disabled, set the first item in the settings pipeline to
 admin_read_only etc.
 
 List objects should be flexible to support different kinds of lists,
 but the UI should hide most of that behind simple labels like retired
 list, public list, private list and the emergency moderation
 button.
 
 PS: Is there a Mailman UI yet? The link on the Mailman branches wiki
 page points to one with only one commit in it and no working code.
 
 PPS: It seems Mailman 3 will be quite different to Mailman 2 so I'm
 thinking configuration filenames, data directories etc should be named
 mailman3 instead of mailman.
 


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Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM3: list disabling/enabling?

2011-07-12 Thread Benedict Stein
Hi Barry, it's just a matter of seconds to add this enabled flag to the
django webui, just let me know once it is in core.

Am Dienstag, den 12.07.2011, 11:10 -0400 schrieb Barry Warsaw:

 On Jul 11, 2011, at 06:37 PM, Paul Wise wrote:
 
 With our current setup the disabled (or graveyarded) list is removed
 from the /var/lib/mailman/lists dir and the aliases regenerated, so
 the MTA bounces messages to it and the admin interface for it cannot
 be logged into. Disabled lists are listed in a separate page in the
 web interface to the normal listinfo page. Some disabled lists might
 get their archives removed and some not.
 
 I think this approach would actually be fairly easy to implement in the core,
 with additional ui considerations in the new web ui.  It could be a matter of
 just adding the .enabled flag to mailing lists, and re-running the MM3 moral
 equivalent of genaliases when that flag changes.  All the data associated with
 the mailing list would remain in the database.
 
 The web ui would then look at the .enabled flag to decide where and how to
 display the mailing list information, and whether to allow logins, etc.  But
 it would still be able to get (and probably set) attributes on the mailing
 list.
 
 I think bouncing at the MTA is slightly sub-optimal and that mailman
 could generate a more informative bounce indicating how to contact the
 server admin to get the list revived. Probably in the web interface
 there could be a disabled lists category. Server admins would
 probably want to be able to login to the disabled lists in the web
 interface, but maybe not the list admins.
 
 Should you still be able to contact a disabled list's owners?  I think if
 you're just going to bounce messages addressed to mydisabledlist-*@example.com
 and the text is static, then it's probably best to point those aliases to a
 very simple replybot service (I have one I've been toying with) so it doesn't
 increase the load on Mailman.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Benedict Stein
I'd suggest if we have this kind of subcription page for each list we
could change the subscribe button to unsubscribe once a user is logged
in - and add a small link if he's not logged in.

Am Montag, den 20.06.2011, 18:43 -0400 schrieb Terri Oda:

 Benedict already gave you a response about the summer of code project in 
 progress...  I encourage you to get involved with that!  For one, your 
 mockups are certainly pretty and I suspect your design input would be 
 much appreciated for making nicer Mailman themes.
 
 However, at a glance I see one flaw in your interface: no unsubscribe 
 button!  I know, this happens under edit options but as the unofficial 
 usability person on the Mailman dev team, let me tell you, that's a flaw 
 in our older versions and something we most definitely shouldn't do again.
 
   Terri
 
 
 Andrew wrote:
  Hi,
  
  I am sure very free software developer has the Mailman mailing list web page
  imprinted into their mind, however after looking at it for the thousandth
  time, I thought that there is a lot of uneeded information on a page where
  there doesn't need to be.
  
  Anyway I tried to improve it and the results are here
  http://and471.deviantart.com/art/GNU-Mailman-New-Design-214023110
  
  I would love to hear your comments on it :)
  
  Thanks
  
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-21 Thread Benedict Stein
Personally i prefer a HTML / CSS solution as well, and that's what we
stick to atm - but only drafting :-)

Am Dienstag, den 21.06.2011, 11:52 -0400 schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor:

 On 06/21/2011 11:46 AM, Andrew wrote:
  On 21/06/11 09:31, David Andrews wrote:
  I presume the page is graphical because as a blind, screen reader 
  using person, I got nothing out of it.  Remember accessibility!
  
  Sure absolutely, this is just a image mockup to see what everyone
  thinks, it goes without saying that accessibility would have to be of
  paramount importance
 
 It's worth noting that you can't see what everyone thinks if the only
 version of the mockup is inaccessible to some people.
 
 I'm happy to hear of work being done on the mailman web UI; thanks for
 doing this work!  If you can do it with html instead of images, that
 would get you more feedback on your design.
 
 It would not only help the visually-impaired evaluate it and give
 feedback, but it would also help people with unusual screen sizes,
 display devices, browsers, etc. be able to raise issues or give the
 thumbs-up.
 
 Thanks for your work,
 
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mockup for New Design

2011-06-20 Thread Benedict Stein
HI Andrew - you're absolutely right that something new is needed :-)

Good news for you is that there is already work in progress, community
has collected some thoughts on the wiki, Anna begun Coding something
last year, and florian helps me to create a new designed Django WebUI
for Mailman 3.

PLease feel free to add your ideas to the following wiki page
http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Web+UI+Mockups

Concerning your image - I like the idea to have a very flat subscription
page without all the confusing stuff around it. However there are lots
more things which need to be integrated into this UI - I don't know if
you've seen the bunch of possibilitys in the config - i didn't before
aplying on this as GSoC project ;-) - you might take a look at
http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/New+Menu for inspiration.

PS: I tend to be online all european day (9-22) on IRC - maybe we could
have a chat for further ideas as well. (nick:benste)

Am Montag, den 20.06.2011, 19:04 +0100 schrieb Andrew:

 Hi,
 
 I am sure very free software developer has the Mailman mailing list web page
 imprinted into their mind, however after looking at it for the thousandth
 time, I thought that there is a lot of uneeded information on a page where
 there doesn't need to be.
 
 Anyway I tried to improve it and the results are here
 http://and471.deviantart.com/art/GNU-Mailman-New-Design-214023110
 
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] (no subject)

2011-06-07 Thread Benedict Stein
Hi arnaud,

regarde:
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=11960560


Am Dienstag, den 07.06.2011, 11:55 +0200 schrieb arnaud.le-...@voila.fr:

 Hi, 
 
 I've just installed mailman 3 : as my goal is to use it with the REST 
 interface or custom scripts, I'd like to get a good grasp of how 
 it is working. So, I'm trying to use it in interactive mode as in the package 
 documentation. However, I'm not sure of the best way to be 
 in the same context as in the documentation examples. At first I tried the 
 py script under bin, but everything is not initialised (eg 
 I have component not found errors for getUtility). Then I tried with mailman 
 withlist. It works better now but I now see the dump_list 
 function in the examples and I had to import it manually. So my question is : 
 what is the context of the examples and how can I set it 
 up ? Or are they all ad hoc with no general way to be in the same state ?
 
 Thanks, 
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[Mailman-Developers] ACL in Mailman - what's you opinion

2011-05-27 Thread Benedict Stein
Dear List-subscribers,

wacky and i discussed a few things about how to implement ACL within the
Mailman3 parts.
I've wrote a small Blogpost about it in
http://benste.blogspot.com/2011/05/mailman-3-restapi-webui-acl.html

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http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Pro+-+Con+ACL+in+different+Layers+%28WebUI%29
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[Mailman-Developers] New Menu - Role Based Proposal

2011-05-25 Thread Benedict Stein
Hi there,

I've picked up Patricks idea today and expanded the existing draft with
a few other things, you can find both on
http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/New+Menu
it would be brilliant if you'd compare both and see what you'd like and
if there is still anything to improve.

Only one little explanation:
the colors in the mindmap show the ACL (at least in the role based one)
- description in the upper left corner.

Each item connected to the middle could be traded as a tab-like
navigation 
e.g. http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/benste%27s+GSoc+2011+-+page
please bare in mind that these mockups don't represent any style ! -
(only wackys idea of a combobox changeing the lists - thanks)
the rest of the items are either heading or items,
atm. I've noted only the fields which are present in the REST API, e.g.
i didn't go into detail creating a new list as some values are readonly
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[Mailman-Developers] new updated proposed menu structure WebUI

2011-05-24 Thread Benedict Stein
HI,

thanks for the feedback I got up to now - here version 2 of the new
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Apache configuration: Web Interface for archives in mm3

2011-05-15 Thread Benedict Stein
Did i understand something incorrectly or is the Django UI only a config
website ?
Why don't we have all UI parts within the Django project (which I'll support
during gsoc ;-))

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2011/5/15 Dushyant Bansal cs5070...@cse.iitd.ac.in

 Hi all,
 I am a gsoc candidate with mailman. I'll be working on archives UI and
 Search functionality. I'll be blogging about my progress here:
 http://db42.wordpress.com

 As my first task is to complete the UI part of the archives, I am trying to
 get started with pipermail UI.
 My first question is - Is it possible to view archives via web interface on
 mailman 3.
 If yes, can somebody please guide me or provide me hints to make it work.

 Thanks,
 Dushyant Bansal

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Welcome to our Google Summer of Code Students!

2011-04-27 Thread Benedict Stein
Thanks for the welcome,

I've updated my proposal page on the wiki - which now lists the ToDo list
http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/benste%27s+GSoc+2011+-+page
Really hope to start asap, but for now I'm a little bit busy learning for my
exams.

@*Taciano
are you sure you want to share your postal adress and phone number on a
public wiki ??
*

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2011/4/27 Terri Oda te...@zone12.com

 I hope you'll all join me in welcoming our new Google Summer of Code
 students:

 * Benedict Stein (benste on IRC) will be working to complete the GSoC work
 Anna did last summer on the django-based web UI for Mailman 3.0.

 * Drew Rodman will be converting pipermail to use SQL (rather than pickles)
 for storing data and creating an upgrade script to help users migrate their
 archives to the new format.  He's even hoping to get Stable URLs working by
 the end of the summer!

 * Dushyant Bansal (dushyant on IRC) will be working on the interface of the
 archives, integrating work from Yian and Priya's GSoC projects last summer
 and getting it all ready to go for Mailman 3.

 I'm really excited to have all these great projects and great students!

 While the students do have a set of official mentors (Barry, Florian, Anna
 and me), you're all encouraged to help out throughout the summer. The end
 goal is to have some fully integrated awesomeness, so don't be shy if you've
 got questions, suggestions, etc.

 If you've been lurking here wondering how to get involved with Mailman 3,
 now might be a great time: we've got mentors who've already set aside time
 to be involved this summer, and we've got students who could benefit from
 having more people involved in development effort over the next few months.
  For example, we discovered while our students were writing patches that we
 don't have a great description of the Mailman 3 install process, so if you
 want to install it and write up your experiences on the wiki (or just in a
 blog post we can link to!), that's a great place to start!

  Terri
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Welcome to our Google Summer of Code Students!

2011-04-27 Thread Benedict Stein
HI Adam,

why don't you upload your idea to your ideas page in the wiki ? :-)
http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Web+UI+Mockups

Regarding the installation - will take some time, but i already started
taking notes on how to get the Django 3.0 WebUI working on top of the
Mailman part, I'd be fine sharing this notes with all of you, but it
turns out that there are a few bugs in the UI which need to be patched
first (patches are already in LP)

If someone else would write a how-to install mailman3.0 it would be
brilliant.

Regarding the packaging - i don't know the mailman project in detail
yet, but i think it's a bit to early, you could start adding a PPA to
the projects site owning a few DEB package drafts - this would speedup
installing in Ubuntu / Debian a lot

Am Mittwoch, den 27.04.2011, 10:57 +0100 schrieb Adam McGreggor:

 On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:02:58AM -0400, Terri Oda wrote:
  I hope you'll all join me in welcoming our new Google Summer of Code  
  students:
 
 Awesome news. 
 
  * Benedict Stein (benste on IRC) will be working to complete the GSoC  
  work Anna did last summer on the django-based web UI for Mailman 3.0.
 
 'Complete' sounds interesting. Is that pretty achievable? I can't
 believe it's almost been a year.
 
  * Drew Rodman will be converting pipermail to use SQL (rather than  
  pickles) for storing data and creating an upgrade script to help users  
  migrate their archives to the new format.  He's even hoping to get  
  Stable URLs working by the end of the summer!
 
 Was the plan to use SQLite? Or the choices (and it should be a
 choice) of MySQL / Postgres?
 
  * Dushyant Bansal (dushyant on IRC) will be working on the interface of  
  the archives, integrating work from Yian and Priya's GSoC projects last  
  summer and getting it all ready to go for Mailman 3.
 
 Nifty.
 
  I'm really excited to have all these great projects and great students!
 
 You're not the only one.
 
  While the students do have a set of official mentors (Barry, Florian,  
  Anna and me), you're all encouraged to help out throughout the summer.  
  The end goal is to have some fully integrated awesomeness, so don't be  
  shy if you've got questions, suggestions, etc.
 
 
 My suggestions from last year are still pertinent ;o)
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamamyl/4484703864/
 
  If you've been lurking here wondering how to get involved with Mailman  
  3, now might be a great time: we've got mentors who've already set aside  
  time to be involved this summer, and we've got students who could  
  benefit from having more people involved in development effort over the  
  next few months.  For example, we discovered while our students were  
  writing patches that we don't have a great description of the Mailman 3  
  install process, so if you want to install it and write up your  
  experiences on the wiki (or just in a blog post we can link to!), that's  
  a great place to start!
 
 Is it too early to start thinking about Operating System/Distro
 packagers/maintainers, for MM3?
 


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