Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without a password
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 11:17:34PM -0500, Brian Haines wrote: I am very interested in the topic of configuring Mailman to allow subscribe/unsubscribe requests without a password. From the archives Simon White offered something of a solution and was willing to share it, but his email was not in the message (as it should be). I would be interested in Simon's or any other's solutions or thoughts on a solution. ~mailman/bin/add_members and ~mailman/bin/remove_members. These require privs. You should be aware that there are morons out there that will try to spam your lists with messages and probably fake subscribe/unsubscribe messages. If you allow for an Internet-wide subscribe without confirmation, you could easily be classified a spammer and end up on blackhole lists. You better know what you're doing before you dig into this. It isn't that hard for a user to subscribe or unsubscribe themselves. Admins, of course, can do it for them with the utilities I listed above or via the web pages. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:52:09PM +, Navegante wrote: I need to use a newsletter with 2400 email adresses (op-in list)but my hosting plan doesn?t allow me to send more than 200 mails in one shot (recent spaming issues and server black lists from other users). Is there a way to force Mailman spit the list in 200 mails (12 lists!) or does shots of 200 adresses per time limit? Can i use some sort of cron jobs? Look at the following segment in Defaults.py: # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single # SMTP # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 Incidentally, please restrict your replies to only the relevant pieces of the e-mail and do not reply to a digest changing only the subject line. For a new question, please start a new thread so you don't mess up the threading model for those of us with real mail clients. Thanks! -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there anyway to export members list to excel?
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 10:28:18PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anyway to export the members e-mail addresses to an excel spreadsheet? Sure. Do a bin/list_members to a text file and you can easily import that into Excel. Similarly, from an Excel spreadsheet, you can copy a column of e-mail addresses and paste that into a text file or directly into the web pages to add members. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.4
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 04:04:37PM -0800, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: I have a question... I currently run mailman as installed via RPM (under SUSE 9.0). How can I upgrade via the tarball? I mean the rpm puts files into specific locations (such as both /usr/lib/mailman and /var/lib/mailman) and I wanted to make sure that when I upgrade, the files go into the same locations where they are currently. How can I specify the locations? Three options. 1. Since this is a security fix, SuSe should either backport the security patch into the version they've released, or upgrade to 2.1.4. You can post to a SuSe-specific list to find out what they plan on doing, or you could contact the package maintainer. 2. Grab the source RPM from SuSe's distribution. Install it, and then study the spec file to see what they've done and what patches they've applied. Merge the new source changes with theirs, or replace their source with the one from sourceforge. Rebuild the source rpm and have a good look at the rpm it produced to see if the files look like they'll go in the right locations. You'll also need to study any config changes and see if they're still applicable. 3. Remove the SuSe RPM. Install the sourceforge package and then migrate your lists over. Forget about ever upgrading from SuSe. You really have to decide if you're going to trust your distributor - SuSe in this case - or go to the original package maintainer for your updates. You shouldn't mix and match. I run Red Hat Enterprise Linux and simply go with a stock mailman package and watch for the updates myself. Red Hat doesn't even package mailman any more, but I went this route with an older Red Hat Linux when Red Hat still was shipping it. .../Ed p.s. In the future, please snip your replies to the relevant pieces. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to show all members from web?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 08:45:27PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll answer my own previous question first: I don't think MailMan allows removing all members from the web, from what I can understand in mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py. This would be a *very* nice feature to see. sync_members would be really helpful too! My list admins need to regularly flush the announce lists and repopulate them from an internal database, and right now I'm flushing them manually. Giving the list admins an easy way to do this would save me getting involved. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Renaming and Moving List to a different Sub-Domain
On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 10:00:08PM +1300, Rafael Fischmann wrote: I have several lists in my server http://macmagazine.com.br and, before the number of them and the number of members inside them gets to big, I want to create a pattern for the lists' names and locations. How can that be made? We're using Mailman 2.1.2 in cPanel 8.5.3 - STABLE 3. There's an easy way to rename a list and there's a hard way. The hard way is documented in the FAQ - please search http://www.list.org first. The easy way can be used if you don't have any archives and don't care about providing a way for your user community to access the list by the old name. Simply create the new list, export the configuration of the old list, import that into the new list, and then list the members of the old list and add that to the new. That works fairly well for announcement-style only lists with no archives. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Adding a second list admin
On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 04:58:07PM -0500, Frank Middleton wrote: Exactly. It worked just as documented. So how do I go about adding a new list admin, or replacing the current admin? Just adding the new name doesn't seem to be useful because there doesn't seem to be a way to notify them of their password. Unless I'm missing something (probably glaringly) obvious, it *should* send an email when someone is added, not just at list creation time. Clearly, people do inherit lists and doubtlessly change admins. I did RTFM and the Archives but drew a blank - but there must be a way... If you've added a second admin, that person can get the password from the first admin who should probably be informed that a second person has been added anyway. If the list admin changes, then the password should be changed. Using the site password, you can change the list password and then give that to the new admin. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Address matching behavior
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 03:50:44PM -0400, Vijay G. Bharadwaj wrote: I've been running a bunch of mailman lists for about two years now, and a couple of months ago I upgraded to version 2.1 from 2.0. Since the change, every message sent to any one of our members-only lists is being held for approval. The problem appears to be a change in mailman's address matching behavior. Previously, if [EMAIL PROTECTED] was subscribed, email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be accepted as well. The new mailman, however, doesn't think [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member, and so holds the message for approval. I believe that this is the intended behavior. You need to determine if you want outgoing mail to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] - you should not use both. The 2 e-mail addresses are different, and I think you need to fix the outgoing mail to masquerade [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would think the 2.0 behavior, as you specified, is a bug. How would you expect it to work if [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] are different users? From an outsider's point of view, the most certainly are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is also different than [EMAIL PROTECTED] - in some cases at my site, they are (root for example). IMO, 2.1 is doing the right thing and you need to fix your outgoing mail behavior. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Not knowing what address is subscribed
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 02:12:32PM -0500, Allan Trick wrote: We're getting some people wanting to check their address in Mailman to see how we subscribed them (we seeded lists with extracts from our main database), and they don't know what address we used for them. That's why personalization is a good idea. For example, you'll note that mailman-users is personalized - every message has a footer that tells you what the address is. Is there any way for a person to confirm the address they're subscribed under? Or for Mailman to tell them That address is not subscribed if they type in one that isn't? The user may be able to figure it out from the headers but my guess is that if they can't remmeber what address they used, and they forward from address to address, they're unlikely to have the skills necessary to look at the headers. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] not allowing mass-subscription (web interface)
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:34:26AM -0400, Vivek Khera wrote: WY == Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WY Lastly, is there a way to get Mailman to record information about WY confirmation of a subscription (if a link was clicked, from what IP; if WY via an email message, the headers of the message)? Is there a way to I've got some consulting money sitting about for someone to write such a feature into Mailman -- keeping record of the confirmation request and the confirmation response (either email or clickthrough data). Given the new anti-spam law coming into California with the burden of proof being on the e-mail sender that the user has really opted in, I don't see how we can avoid having this feature in Mailman. Some of run commercial mailing lists and it will be imperative for us to be able to demonstrate that the user really opted in. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] filtering by subject or other headers?
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:50:18AM -0400, Erez Zadok wrote: Is there a way I can setup mail filters by subject or other headers (not just by from/recipient)? Spammers often send spam faked as having been sent by my lists. Then I get all sorts of bounces from the actual recipients such as SpamAssassin Identified this message as spam. I'd like to setup a filter rule that says: if the subject line matches a certain string, discard this email and never tell me about it. However, I don't this kind of rule to affect the way other moderation or filter rules work. That is, if I configure mailman to hold all messages from unknown senders, then those not matching the spam filter rule I just described, should be left in the hold queue. I don't see anything that would stop you from processing the incoming e-mails through procmail before they get to mailman. Just change the alias to point to valid user, process the e-mail via procmail and do whatever you want with it, then bounce the result over to the actual list processor if it passes your tests. You could do your virus scanning the same way (although I would think that a callout from the MTA might be better). I don't believe that what you're asking for should be a mailman function. Mailman should primarily be used to quickly get messages into and out the lists - all per-message processing should be handled by outside apps. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:22:13PM -0500, Rob Day wrote: Hi, My organization just made the switch from Majordomo to Mailman. I am most pleased with Mailman to say the least. I am, however, having one problem. A user will subscribe to the list with the address [EMAIL PROTECTED], but their address will actually be [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail sent to the expanded address (some.name) will be received, but the person will be unable to post to the list because the message comes from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does that make sense? No, this doesn't make sense. How are the users subscribing to the list? Via e-mail or web? It sounds to me like the user's MUA is misconfigured - either your e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] or it's [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can't have it both ways - mailman should correctly treat those as separate people since there is absolutely no way for it to know the difference. If you're subscribed with some.name, then post from some.name. If you want to allow posting from other e-mail addresses, then configure mailman so that non-list members are allowed to post. If you restrict posting to list members, then the client must be configured to post from some.name. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:58:59PM -0500, Mike Kercher wrote: Actually, it makes perfect sense. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an alias. SuSE OpenExchange creates such aliases by default for users. The simple way around this (for the admin) is to explicitly allow [EMAIL PROTECTED] to post to the list. This way, you don't open the whole list up to spammers. You could also unsub some.user@ and then subscribe sname@ Hopefully, it would be a rare occasion that you'd have to do this. The proper approach to this is to rewrite the From address on the outbound address as well as aliasing the inbound. If the outbound e-mail is some.user@, then all will work properly. Allowing e-mail into the box to be consistently different than e-mail out of the box is a misconfiguration to me. There is no way for Mailman to know that the 2 addresses are equivalent unless somebody goes in there and manually updates the permissions list. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending to correct address
On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 12:18:30PM -0400, Justin F. Knotzke wrote: I am using Mailman 2.1.2 on a Debian box with Exim 4.2. When I add myself to a list as say '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (where mailman is not installed or virtual-hosted on foo.com). Mailman always sends the mail to jknotzke on localhost instead of @foo.com because there is a jknotzke account on localhost. Yet if I send regular mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the mail arrives at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not localhost. mailman sent the message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but your MTA decided that localhost was good enough. Have a look at your mailer tables to see if your localhost system also claims to be able to receive mail for foo.com -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] What version of Mailman works with python 1.x
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 07:49:32AM -0500, William Collins wrote: I have a website on a server running Redhat 7.3 with python 1.x. Could you please advise me of which version of Mailman will run on this server? 2.0.13 should work just fine. You also have the option of installing the python2 package to run alongside python 1.x. If you do that, you should be able to install and run MailMan 2.1.2. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] SPAM getting through on moderated lists
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:56:49AM -0400, John A. Martin wrote:
Hmm That makes for IMHO an interesting question. Since many, if
not most MTAs can be configured to reject mail from specific envelope
senders, usually specified as regular expressions, the question is
what if any envelope senders related to mailman lists (and not
from our local {host,net}) can be rejected by an MTA that is
dedicated to handling incoming mail for only the lists.
It is advantageous to reject unwanted mail during the SMTP
conversation rather than later.
It should be pretty easy to cause a MTA reject all incoming mail from
non-local relays with any envelope sender address appearing among the
Mailman aliases.
This sounds like a good and safe thing to configure, but I'm not enough
of a sendmail expert to write those rules. What would one look like to
allow, for example, a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to only come from an
MTA in the foo.com domain?
Thanks,
.../Ed
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Re: [Mailman-Users] I can't get my mail list to work
On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 09:35:55AM -0500, Rick Cheney wrote: Hello, I have a mailing list at www.hcmcnurses.org we are a non-profit association and our web host, webmanix.com, is not very helpful. We cannot the mailing list to work. The mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not work. When I create a mailing list I get the text below. I didn't find an option on the Control Panel for editing the etc/aliases or running 'newalises'. I tried making folders named etc/aliases and adding a text file named text.txt to that folder with the information below, but it did not work. newaliases needs to be run by your mail host. It's not a mailman function - it's dependent on the MTA. The mailing list test on hcmcnurses.org with password test was sucessfully created. To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the `newaliases' program: ## test_hcmcnurses.org mailing list test_hcmcnurses.org: |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post test_hcmcnurses.org Something's quite broken since it's combining your list name with your host name. test_hcmcnurses.org isn't a valid DNS name. It looks like webmanix doesn't have mailman configured properly. If they're not going to help you with this, then you may need to find a different mailman host. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe Member limit? (add_members)
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:39:00PM -0300, Gustavo Gouvea wrote: Im using redhat 8.0 + mailman 2.0.13. It happens that Im using add_members to mass subscribe 25,000 members. When I try to do it, the script tells me that several email adresses was already subscribed, but they were not. I use list_members and bingo! The emails informed as already subscribed are not subscribed. Is there a maximum number of members I can subscribe once? I've done over 40,000 on Red Hat Linux 7.0 and mailman 2.0.13. When I saw the duplicate member error, it turned out that I had the same user in my text file twice, but with different case. Do a case-insensitive uniq on your input file and see if that helps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 07:32:09AM -0700, JC Dill wrote: At 09:30 PM 7/31/2003, Christine De La Rosa wrote: Hi Richard, Here is what I know so far, mail for most list members seem to be going through for the most part. About two weeks ago MM mass unscribed about 300 folx. Now we seem to have stablized the members but the owners of the lists are getting routinely bounced. Yahoo email address do not have a problem, aol is a major headache as is hotmail. This is a big clue that the MTA is improperly configured and is trying to deliver to the AOL and Hotmail servers messages for more recipients than those systems allow - triggering anti-spam filtering on the recipient MTA at AOL and Hotmail. The messages are then bounced. My guess is that they changed the MTA at around the same time they upgraded Mailman, and you are barking up the wrong tree to try to find the source of the problem. A quick test would be to drop the maximum number of recipients in Mailman. In mm_cfg.py, set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 20. Details are in Defaults.py. This will chunk your messages to a maximum of 20 recipients at a time. Some people have done performance tests to suggest that dropping this to about 5 will give you better throughput. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] ip_addresse rather than hostname in forms?
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 01:05:41PM +, Kirk R. Wythers wrote: How can I configure a list to use an ip address in its listname instead of the hostname? For example I'd like all references to the list to be based on the machines ip address (i.e on the listinfo page To post a message to all the list menebers, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], rather than [EMAIL PROTECTED], or when monthly reminders go out to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well. Is this possible? It should be possible, but I'd seriously question the reason for doing so. It's trivial and cheap these days to set up your own domain and have it hosted by a free DNS provider like zoneedit.com. Even dynamic IP users (like I am) can make this work without a lot of hassles and expense. For your hostname, try the IP address in square brackets, like [1.2.3.4]. Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] should work, but as I said, you really, really don't want to do this. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] remove_members *really* slow
A few weeks ago, I used add_members to add about 44K users to a mailing list. I remember it taking only a few minutes at most. Today I needed to flush all the list members, and it's taking forever. On a P III/500, it's been running for 3 hours, used 2.5 hours of CPU, and the list is down to 28K members. Is there a faster way of doing this operation in 2.0.13? Should I just have deleted the list and recreated it? Thanks, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Statistics 4 all MM-lists
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 06:02:39PM +0200, Christian Schoepplein wrote: Hello! I wonder how to get some statistics for my MM-lists. What I'm interested in is how many users are subscribed to every list, how many users are subscribed on all lists (not counting more than onetimes the users, that are subscribed to more than one list), how much trafic produces every list (count of messages and bytes), how much traffic produces every user (not so important) and how much traffic was produced for all MM-lists. Does anyone know a script, that creates some MM-statistics? Or would I have to hack such a script for my needs? Please check the list archives for the last few weeks. There were a couple of scripts posted that produced some basic stats. At least the traffic stats were there. To get a simple count of members per list, just write a quick script that does a list_lists, and for each one, do a list_members | wc -l. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 05:03:34PM -0400, Rob Eckerson wrote: I want to mass subscribe people that I have on another list. I want to just send them an email with a link to subscribe( cutting out the confirmation email). These people have already opted in to receive email from me. Since you've already got the list, simply do the following: bin/list_members listname listname.members bin/add_members -r listname.members newlist You've got the option on the add_members to have the welcome message go out or not. The members could easily unbsubscribe based on the welcome message. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from Lyris to Mailman - Lookingforfunctionality and/or workarounds
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 07:50:39AM -0700, Karen G. Schneider wrote: - Daily, weekly, and/or monthly subscription reports to list managers with numbers of new subscriptions, unsubscribe, bounces, etc. This would be extremely useful. Could we see this in a future release? And while we're begging for features, on the report I'd like to see how many subscribers actually got the postings. Example, if you have a 50K user list, but only 45K were successfully delivered, I'd like to know that. Ideally, I'd like to be able to get this for *every* posting. This would be ideal for announcement-only lists. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman stats for successful/unsuccessful posts?
Given that we just dumped out a mail message to 40K recipients, is there a way for me to determine how many have received the message and how many are still in the queue? Yesterday I had lots of grief, and there were entries that qrunner later picked up, but the remaining users we're in sendmail's mailq, nor were they in /var/spool/mailman/qfiles. Where are they hiding so that I can get a quick snapshot? I'm running mailman 2.0.13 on Red Hat Linux 7.0. Thanks, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Duplicate messages
I'm trying to discover why mailman sent the same message multiple times to the same recipients. I don't believe it happened to every recipient on my list, but as Murphy's Law would have it, some key people did get the message more than once - some got it at least 3 times. The message really was only posted to the list once. What can I look at to see why this happened, and to ensure that it doesn't happen again? I'm running Mailman 2.0.13 on Red Hat Linux 7.0. Thanks, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Outgoing mail failure
I'm experiencing a severe problem with an outgoing list. After a fair bit of testing on a small number of recipients, we gave it an address list of 44322 addresses. When we posted to it overnight, a few unexpected things started happening, which I'll attempt to document below. 1. smtp file reports a lot of failures: [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# grep 'Jul 16' smtp | grep -v 'Connection refused' Jul 16 01:15:35 2003 (21028) smtp for 44322 recips, completed in 252.830 seconds Jul 16 01:26:02 2003 (22215) smtp for 43485 recips, completed in 583.220 seconds Jul 16 01:40:04 2003 (27387) smtp for 42745 recips, completed in 524.006 seconds Jul 16 01:41:43 2003 (27387) smtp for 3 recips, completed in 3.295 seconds Jul 16 01:43:03 2003 (27387) smtp for 3 recips, completed in 1.122 seconds Jul 16 01:53:26 2003 (32732) smtp for 42245 recips, completed in 366.774 seconds Jul 16 02:02:22 2003 (4857) smtp for 41485 recips, completed in 108.675 seconds Jul 16 02:03:58 2003 (4857) smtp for 3 recips, completed in 1.694 seconds The first attempt appeared to try and deliver to all the recipients, but then it looks like it retried and retried, over and over again. Ther are over 47,000 'Connection refused' messages in the smtp file. I see a corresponding number of entries in the post log. 2. The smtp-failure file has a log of (ignore) messages in it, like so: Jul 16 01:15:36 2003 (21028) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) There are currently 936796 ignore entires in smtp-failure 3. When qrunner runs, the load average goes through the roof - 40-60 and higher, until it's killed. It forks python processes like crazy. We're running mailman 2.0.13 on Red Hat Linux 7.0 with a 2.2.24 kernel. It's a dual P III/500 system with 256MB memory. We're using sendmail-8.11.6-25.70 Since the smaller test cases (~400 users) worked fine, I'm assuming that sendmail and mailman are properly configured and talking to each other as they should. I don't know what the problem is with this larger batch. The message is small - sendmail reports it as size=1581. The sendmail queue is almost empty - it hasn't topped 200 since the posting went out. At 1am it was 1 request, and at 2am it was only 74 (mostly bounces I think). Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] List performance queries
I'm currently running Mailman 2.0.13 with sendmail on a PII/450 Linux system. My Mailman usage has been light and small lists. Now, my internal clients wants to send a mailing to 50,000 users (yes, they're opt-in!). What gotchas do I really need to be aware of? Initially, this first large batch will go to users of which over 90% are on the same domain (a customer of ours). How large are the mailman batches? i.e. How many physical mail messages go out? Can anybody take a wild guess as to how long it will take to ship that many messages out? What if the e-mails were distributed over 20 domains? What happens then? Am I suicidal for even trying to handle lists this large on this size box, or is this even considered a large list? Next, my users want the ability to periodically refresh the subscriber list - they'll actually be coming from an external database. At the time of my subscriber refresh, how can I flush any pending messages to the list - ie, I don't want to get caught where an earlier message is still being retried when the subscriber list changes. Is there a safe, recommended way to handle this? All communications on this list will really be one-way; we send the messages out, but nobody can reply (and I realize that some people will try anyway). Thanks, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and phone bills
On Saturday 23 June 2001 05:27 pm, Phil Stracchino wrote: On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:10:29PM +0100, Karl Carlile wrote: If you put mailman on a machine such as pentium three to use it as a mailing server with a moderate amount of mail how to phone call costs work. If mail are sent to your server while the server is in sleep mode do you pay for such incoming calls. On the other hand that posting that comes in must go out to in my case up to a hundred subscribers. Does that form part of the phone cost bill. And if it is does it amount to just one phone call since all the one hundred are sent out together. This is a troll, right? Not necessarily. There are places in the world where local phone calls are billable. Karl posted from an Irish ISP, and it wouldn't surprise me if local calls there aren't free. He needs to clarify how his ISP and phone calls are billed and then determine if he's got a specific Mailman issue (in which case this list might be appropriate) or a general Internet connectivity issue (frequency of PPP calls, etc) that might be better answered in other lists. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman to a new machine
On Thursday 14 June 2001 08:39 am, Gedaliah Wolosh wrote: I need to move mailman to a new machine. Is there any reason I can't just tar up the mailman home directory and unpack it on the new machine?? The original machine will be taken out of service and the new machine will be given the same name. I've done this twice. It's not trivial (at least it wasn't for me), but it can be done. There are a couple of things you need to watch for. First, make sure the file owners and protections are properly set. This usually gets tricky if you're building a new system since your uids/gids probably changed. You may find it easier to see what they were when you started and set them to be the same on the new machine. Secondly, the archives are all done with links, and you need to make sure that they're set back properly. I ended up moving from one system that had the mailman tree in /home/mailman to another that was /var/mailman so I fought with it for a while to get it right, but eventually it all worked. If you've got good Unix skills to begin with, it shouldn't take you too long. If you don't, plan on killing an hour or two to get it right. Good luck, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning
On Wednesday 13 June 2001 02:25 am, Enriko Groen wrote: And frustrated too because they get 70 emails or so a day and don't know how to leave the list. All they have to do is to display the headers of one of the mail messages. The unsubscribe information is in there. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] This is unixstuff warning
On Wednesday 13 June 2001 09:53 am, JC Dill wrote: On 04:38 AM 6/13/01, Ed Wilts wrote: On Wednesday 13 June 2001 02:25 am, Enriko Groen wrote: And frustrated too because they get 70 emails or so a day and don't know how to leave the list. All they have to do is to display the headers of one of the mail messages. The unsubscribe information is in there. There are too many people on the Internet these days who CAN NOT view all the message headers. AOL hides many headers. Hotmail hides many headers. Yahoo hides many headers. Even if there is some process the user can go through to eventually view all the headers, someone who wants to just stop receiving 70 mails a day is just going to start whining (to the list!) how do I get off this list, I can't handle all this email! They are NOT motivated to figure out how to view all the headers to get that information. In the general case, I would tend to agree with you. However, this is not a general sewing list for end users, but a discussion of mailing lists on a server. Seriously, if you don't understand mail headers, you shouldn't be trying to manage mailing lists. Perhaps it's just too easy to subscribe to mailman-users. The confirmation e-mail should say to check the mail headers to instructions to confirm your subscription. If you can't find them, you don't deserve to be managing mailing lists. Half a :-) .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Instability of Mailman or ?
On Tuesday 12 June 2001 12:45 pm, Louiza wrote: Is Mailman 2.0.1 that unstable or is it my webhost's servers -- every week I have to contact them for support for something that has gone wrong with my list. Today, again, no mail is being delivered. :( mailman maintains logs of what it's doing, and that combined with the mail logs, will tell you exactly where the problem is. I can tell you that I have yet to see mailman be guilty of any mail not flowing through my system. I really like using the Mailman software, but the reliability issues are starting to wear me down. Any other mailing list software on an unreliable platform will also wear you down. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] message with id #9 was lost
I'm trying to clean up after mailman after a message was lost. I tried to reject this posting, but after this failed, it now seems to be stuck in a queue somewhere and is sending daily reminders asking me to approve/reject this posting. I know the message is lost, but how can I get mailman to give up on it permanently? This is mailman 2.0.1 as supplied by Redhat on RH Linux 7.1. Thanks, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
