Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Nestor Praslin]

Hi dear mailman user is there any step by step video in youtube maybe with
the requirements and the installation process?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Laura Creighton]

In a message of Mon, 31 Aug 2015 21:35:33 -0500, Nestor Praslin writes:
>Hi dear mailman user is there any step by step video in youtube maybe with
>the requirements and the installation process?

I went to youtube.
I searched for "mailman tutorial".  The first 3 hits seem to be what
you are looking for, one for 'with Cpanel' - so either exactly what you
are looking for or 'you can skip this one'.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Christopher Adams]

Thank you for your reply.

QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1) in Defaults.py

Mesages are being archived almost immediately. There is nothing in the in/
queue.

There currently are about 954 files in the out/ queue and seemingly always
growing. Is that significant?

A message sent yesterday at 12:30 was received by Mailman within seconds.
It delivered at 3:30. The smtp.log for that message shows:

May 13 15:32:36 2013 (26531)
0b03fe68e0e760478d413f045b39a02838032...@oslexchange.my.mail.server.local
smtp to test7 for 2 recips, completed in 0.020 seconds


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 On 05/13/2013 08:39 PM, Christopher Adams wrote:
   Postfix sends the list message it to the remote server, which shows that
  it was accepted by the Mailman server.


 We are not communicating here. The above makes no sense to me. I think
 the sequence is:

  - List mail arrives at the local Postfix.
  - Postfix delivers to the local Mailman.
  - Mailman delivers - here I don't know if to the local Postfix for
 relay to the remote server or directly to the remote server. The
 mm_cfg.py setting for SMTPHOST determines this. The Default is localhost
 meaning relay via the local Postfix.


  The Mailman server has logs that
  show that the message was directed to the command 'post' to list 'test7'.
  However, nothing happens after that for 2-7 hours. Once it actually sends
  to the list, there are smpt.log entries that show it going to 'x
 recipients'


 OK, so here you are saying that the delay is definitely in Mailman. I.e.
 Postfix delivers to the mailman mail wrapper which presumably
 immediately queues the message in Mailman's in/ queue, and it's a long
 time later that Mailman logs the delivery.

 What is the processing time in the smtp log entry. Is it a few seconds
 or less or hours?

 I'm guessing that during this time IncomingRunner or OutgoingRunner or
 both are asleep. Do you have a setting in mm_cfg.py for
 QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME? The default in Defaults.py is (or should be)

 QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)

 If you have set this to a few hours, it would explain the behavior you
 are seeing. If not, when does the post get archived? Is that delayed too?

 Also, messages in the in/ queue are processed by IncomingRunner and then
 queued in the archive/ queue for ArchRunner and the out/ queue for
 OutgoingRunner. You could look and see if messages move from the in/
 queue quickly or not.

 Note that if you have set QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME to say 4 hours, messages
 can sit in the in/ queue for an average of 2 and up to 4 hours before
 moving to the out/ queue where they may wait up to an additional 4 hours
 before being sent.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Christopher Adams]

Mark, I was reading some previous posts about Mailman and qfiles. Late
yesterday, I found a couple of *.bak files in the out/ queue, so I moved
all the *.bak and *.pck files to another directory. I restarted Mailman.
Mail was not still not being delivered in a timely way.

Then, this morning, I read another post about dns lookups in Postfix main.cf.
A poster said that he modifed his smtpd_recipient_restrictions  and put
permit_mynetworks at the top. So, I followed this and restarted Postfix.

I immediately saw mail flowing and the out/q queue emptied and mail began
to come in. I'm not sure exactly why it had that affect.

So, I have a final question. Should I move the .pck and .bak (renamed to
.pck) files back to the out/ queue. If so, should I stop mailman before
doing this.

BTW - The posts that I read above involved you. so thanks for the
indirect assistance.




On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Christopher Adams adam...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thank you for your reply.

 QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1) in Defaults.py

 Mesages are being archived almost immediately. There is nothing in the in/
 queue.

 There currently are about 954 files in the out/ queue and seemingly always
 growing. Is that significant?

 A message sent yesterday at 12:30 was received by Mailman within seconds.
 It delivered at 3:30. The smtp.log for that message shows:

 May 13 15:32:36 2013 (26531)
 0b03fe68e0e760478d413f045b39a02838032...@oslexchange.my.mail.server.local
 smtp to test7 for 2 recips, completed in 0.020 seconds


 On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 On 05/13/2013 08:39 PM, Christopher Adams wrote:
   Postfix sends the list message it to the remote server, which shows
 that
  it was accepted by the Mailman server.


 We are not communicating here. The above makes no sense to me. I think
 the sequence is:

  - List mail arrives at the local Postfix.
  - Postfix delivers to the local Mailman.
  - Mailman delivers - here I don't know if to the local Postfix for
 relay to the remote server or directly to the remote server. The
 mm_cfg.py setting for SMTPHOST determines this. The Default is localhost
 meaning relay via the local Postfix.


  The Mailman server has logs that
  show that the message was directed to the command 'post' to list
 'test7'.
  However, nothing happens after that for 2-7 hours. Once it actually
 sends
  to the list, there are smpt.log entries that show it going to 'x
 recipients'


 OK, so here you are saying that the delay is definitely in Mailman. I.e.
 Postfix delivers to the mailman mail wrapper which presumably
 immediately queues the message in Mailman's in/ queue, and it's a long
 time later that Mailman logs the delivery.

 What is the processing time in the smtp log entry. Is it a few seconds
 or less or hours?

 I'm guessing that during this time IncomingRunner or OutgoingRunner or
 both are asleep. Do you have a setting in mm_cfg.py for
 QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME? The default in Defaults.py is (or should be)

 QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)

 If you have set this to a few hours, it would explain the behavior you
 are seeing. If not, when does the post get archived? Is that delayed too?

 Also, messages in the in/ queue are processed by IncomingRunner and then
 queued in the archive/ queue for ArchRunner and the out/ queue for
 OutgoingRunner. You could look and see if messages move from the in/
 queue quickly or not.

 Note that if you have set QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME to say 4 hours, messages
 can sit in the in/ queue for an average of 2 and up to 4 hours before
 moving to the out/ queue where they may wait up to an additional 4 hours
 before being sent.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/14/2013 08:26 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 
 There currently are about 954 files in the out/ queue and seemingly always
 growing. Is that significant?


Your out/ queue is hopelessly backlogged. I'm not sure why. See the post
at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-January/072778.html.

I am guessing that Mailman is delivering directly to the remote server
(SMTPHOST = 'remote.server' in mm_cfg.py) and that the remote server is
not keeping up with peak rates causing the queue to become backlogged.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/14/2013 09:28 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 
 Then, this morning, I read another post about dns lookups in Postfix main.cf.
 A poster said that he modifed his smtpd_recipient_restrictions  and put
 permit_mynetworks at the top. So, I followed this and restarted Postfix.
 
 I immediately saw mail flowing and the out/q queue emptied and mail began
 to come in. I'm not sure exactly why it had that affect.


So, Mailman is delivering via the local Postfix and not directly to the
remote server.

Postfix was doing DNS lookups on the sending domain for all messages
which slowed it way down. You avoided this by the change you made.


 So, I have a final question. Should I move the .pck and .bak (renamed to
 .pck) files back to the out/ queue. If so, should I stop mailman before
 doing this.


You can move the .pck files back without stopping/starting Mailman.

If you move the .bak files without renaming them, they won't be
processed until you restart Mailman. If you rename them to .pck, they
will be processed along with the others without a restart.

BUT, the messages in the .bak files have been 'partially' processed and
possibly delivered to some recipients. You can examine the .bak files
with bin/dumpdb -p to see what they contain and decide if you want to
reprocess them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Christopher Adams]

Thank you, Mark.

SMTPHOST = 'localhost' in Defaults.py

The out/ queue is now clear and processing mail. I'll see how it goes.
Thanks, again.

On another note, what are thoughts about utilizing SpamAssasin or other
spam software with Postfix and Mailman. It seems that a lot of the traffic
that is going through the Mailman server is spam, quite a bit which is
flagged and blocked by using RBLS in  postfix smptd_recipient_restrictions.
I am seeing upwards to 8,000 messages blocked every day. Is there a more
efficient way to manage this without making it a full time job? :)


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 On 05/14/2013 09:28 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 
  Then, this morning, I read another post about dns lookups in Postfix
 main.cf.
  A poster said that he modifed his smtpd_recipient_restrictions  and put
  permit_mynetworks at the top. So, I followed this and restarted Postfix.
 
  I immediately saw mail flowing and the out/q queue emptied and mail began
  to come in. I'm not sure exactly why it had that affect.


 So, Mailman is delivering via the local Postfix and not directly to the
 remote server.

 Postfix was doing DNS lookups on the sending domain for all messages
 which slowed it way down. You avoided this by the change you made.


  So, I have a final question. Should I move the .pck and .bak (renamed to
  .pck) files back to the out/ queue. If so, should I stop mailman before
  doing this.


 You can move the .pck files back without stopping/starting Mailman.

 If you move the .bak files without renaming them, they won't be
 processed until you restart Mailman. If you rename them to .pck, they
 will be processed along with the others without a restart.

 BUT, the messages in the .bak files have been 'partially' processed and
 possibly delivered to some recipients. You can examine the .bak files
 with bin/dumpdb -p to see what they contain and decide if you want to
 reprocess them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Christopher Adams]

Below is a log of a message sent from me. The remote server handles mail
from my mail server. It is sent to the test7 mailing list address. From
there, Mailman/Postfix handles the dissemination of mail. I can't figure
out where it is getting hung up. Sometimes delivery takes 2-8 hours from
the time it was posted.

May 13 08:02:09 swiki postfix/smtpd[15145]: 692E8199849A:
client=remote.mail.server[xxx.xxx.xxx.xx]
May 13 08:02:09 swiki postfix/cleanup[15168]: 692E8199849A:
message-id=0b03fe68e0e760478d413f045b39a02838032...@oslexchange.my.mail.server.local

May 13 08:02:09 swiki postfix/qmgr[17481]: 692E8199849A:
from=prvs=1845613428=my.addr...@my.mail.server, size=4112, nrcpt=1 (queue
active)
May 13 08:02:09 swiki postfix/local[15169]: 692E8199849A: to=
te...@mailmanserver.com, relay=local, delay=0.13, delays=0.02/0/0/0.1,
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test7)
May 13 08:02:09 swiki postfix/qmgr[17481]: 692E8199849A: removed


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 On 05/09/2013 01:30 PM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 
  At 12 noon, messages that had been sent but not delivered earlier today,
  suddenly were all sent. This sure seems like a cron (not a con) job, but
 I
  haven't a clue why. As far as I know the only Mailman cron job that runs
 at
  12 noon is the digest generation.
 
  I am really puzzled here. This may be a Postfix/MTA issue, maybe a local
  server issue, but I am mainly curious about the batch send that occurred.
 
  Here is an entry from maillog. It shows a message being delivered to the
  alias, then removed from the queue. The message never gets to the person
  behind the alias.
 
 
  May  9 12:57:49 swiki postfix/smtpd[26679]: E774019985DC: client=
  nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com[98.139.213.127]
 [...]


 Does Mailman deliver directly to the remote server or via Postfix? If
 directly, what does Mailman's smtp log say about the posts that were
 delayed. I.e. a post to a list will have an entry like

 May 09 12:53:47 2013 (6114)
 009b01ce4cee$e4c00540$ae400fc0$@x...@example.com smtp to LISTNAME for
 237 recips, completed in 4.337 seconds

 which says the the message with message-id
 009b01ce4cee$e4c00540$ae400fc0$@x...@example.com was delivered from the
 LISTNAME list to (in this case) 237 reqular subscribers and SMTP to the
 MTSA was completed at 12:53:47 (and started 4.337 seconds earlier).

 I suspect they were delivered to the remote server well before and not
 all at once at noon.

 If Mailman delivers via Postfix, what does the maillog say about those
 deliveries?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/13/2013 09:32 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 Below is a log of a message sent from me. The remote server handles mail
 from my mail server. It is sent to the test7 mailing list address. From
 there, Mailman/Postfix handles the dissemination of mail.


Does Mailman send to your Postfix to relay to the remote server. If so,
what are the Postfix log entries for the mail from Mailman through
Postfix to the remote server?

In any case, what is Mailman's smtp log entry for the post (the one for
the message-id of the post)?

The time stamp of the smtp log entry is the time that Mailman completed
smtp delivery of the post to Postfix or the remote server as the case
may be.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Christopher Adams]

 Postfix sends the list message it to the remote server, which shows that
it was accepted by the Mailman server. The Mailman server has logs that
show that the message was directed to the command 'post' to list 'test7'.
However, nothing happens after that for 2-7 hours. Once it actually sends
to the list, there are smpt.log entries that show it going to 'x recipients'


The problem is not non-delivery but extremely slow delivery, anywhere from
2-8 hrs,even for a small list (2 subscribers) like the test7 list. The
Mailman server has over 600 lists and 250,000 subscribers. Some of the
lists have 40,000 subscribers. Additionally, there is quite a bit of spam
being sent to the list owner addresses and other attempts at posts by
spammers, many which are flagged and blocked. That is just to point out
that there is a lot going on with the Mailman server.

What would be some reasons for such long delays and why does it seem that
they seem to be released all at the same time. If they have been handed
off to Mailman,where are they held during this long delay?  Are there some
optimizations that could  be made in mm_cfg.py and/or with Postfix? I saw
some reference to some work that had already been done with this, but it
appears to be from 2008.

Thank for any suggestions that you might have.




On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 On 05/13/2013 09:32 AM, Christopher Adams wrote:
  Below is a log of a message sent from me. The remote server handles mail
  from my mail server. It is sent to the test7 mailing list address. From
  there, Mailman/Postfix handles the dissemination of mail.


 Does Mailman send to your Postfix to relay to the remote server. If so,
 what are the Postfix log entries for the mail from Mailman through
 Postfix to the remote server?

 In any case, what is Mailman's smtp log entry for the post (the one for
 the message-id of the post)?

 The time stamp of the smtp log entry is the time that Mailman completed
 smtp delivery of the post to Postfix or the remote server as the case
 may be.

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 San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan




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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/13/2013 08:39 PM, Christopher Adams wrote:
  Postfix sends the list message it to the remote server, which shows that
 it was accepted by the Mailman server.


We are not communicating here. The above makes no sense to me. I think
the sequence is:

 - List mail arrives at the local Postfix.
 - Postfix delivers to the local Mailman.
 - Mailman delivers - here I don't know if to the local Postfix for
relay to the remote server or directly to the remote server. The
mm_cfg.py setting for SMTPHOST determines this. The Default is localhost
meaning relay via the local Postfix.


 The Mailman server has logs that
 show that the message was directed to the command 'post' to list 'test7'.
 However, nothing happens after that for 2-7 hours. Once it actually sends
 to the list, there are smpt.log entries that show it going to 'x recipients'


OK, so here you are saying that the delay is definitely in Mailman. I.e.
Postfix delivers to the mailman mail wrapper which presumably
immediately queues the message in Mailman's in/ queue, and it's a long
time later that Mailman logs the delivery.

What is the processing time in the smtp log entry. Is it a few seconds
or less or hours?

I'm guessing that during this time IncomingRunner or OutgoingRunner or
both are asleep. Do you have a setting in mm_cfg.py for
QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME? The default in Defaults.py is (or should be)

QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)

If you have set this to a few hours, it would explain the behavior you
are seeing. If not, when does the post get archived? Is that delayed too?

Also, messages in the in/ queue are processed by IncomingRunner and then
queued in the archive/ queue for ArchRunner and the out/ queue for
OutgoingRunner. You could look and see if messages move from the in/
queue quickly or not.

Note that if you have set QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME to say 4 hours, messages
can sit in the in/ queue for an average of 2 and up to 4 hours before
moving to the out/ queue where they may wait up to an additional 4 hours
before being sent.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/09/2013 01:30 PM, Christopher Adams wrote:
 
 At 12 noon, messages that had been sent but not delivered earlier today,
 suddenly were all sent. This sure seems like a cron (not a con) job, but I
 haven't a clue why. As far as I know the only Mailman cron job that runs at
 12 noon is the digest generation.
 
 I am really puzzled here. This may be a Postfix/MTA issue, maybe a local
 server issue, but I am mainly curious about the batch send that occurred.
 
 Here is an entry from maillog. It shows a message being delivered to the
 alias, then removed from the queue. The message never gets to the person
 behind the alias.
 
 
 May  9 12:57:49 swiki postfix/smtpd[26679]: E774019985DC: client=
 nm2-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com[98.139.213.127]
[...]


Does Mailman deliver directly to the remote server or via Postfix? If
directly, what does Mailman's smtp log say about the posts that were
delayed. I.e. a post to a list will have an entry like

May 09 12:53:47 2013 (6114)
009b01ce4cee$e4c00540$ae400fc0$@x...@example.com smtp to LISTNAME for
237 recips, completed in 4.337 seconds

which says the the message with message-id
009b01ce4cee$e4c00540$ae400fc0$@x...@example.com was delivered from the
LISTNAME list to (in this case) 237 reqular subscribers and SMTP to the
MTSA was completed at 12:53:47 (and started 4.337 seconds earlier).

I suspect they were delivered to the remote server well before and not
all at once at noon.

If Mailman delivers via Postfix, what does the maillog say about those
deliveries?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman subject confirm message

[Mark Sapiro]

Pablo Arturi wrote:

Hello, is there any way to change the subject of the confirm message when a 
user subscribes to the list?

I just could found the verify.txt file which allows you to change the body 
of the messages, but I would like to change the subject either.


You can set VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes in mm_cfg.py. This will change

From: listname-requ...@example.com
Subject: confirm 

to

From: LISTNAME-confirm+
Subject: Your confirmation is required to join the LISTNAME mailing list

In order for replies to this message to work, your incoming MTA has to
recognize '+' as a delimiter between a local part and a suffix (in
Postfix, recipient_delimiter = +)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Dennis Gray wrote:

I am running Mailman on a server hosted by GoDaddy using the Plesk
control panel. I no longer want to run this and have disabled it using
the control panel but it continues to send administrative messages to
members of the list. How can I completely disable it?


If you have access to Mailman's command line tools, you can use
bin/rmlist to completely remove a list.

Please see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/tIA9.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject archive entries found after arch

[Mark Sapiro]

Chad Rebuck wrote:

I'm moving my list to a new server.  Generating the archive html pages
from the mbox file caused 26 messages with No subject to show up on
the Aug 2011 archive page.  Most of the posts that make up these
entries are in the mbox file with a date of 2002 or 2003.  The html
files are incomplete and contain only fragments of the original
message.  I didn't notice anything obviously wrong with the mbox
content in the few messages I tracked down.  Any suggestions on what
to look for?


Your archives/private/a2-16v-list.mbox/a2-16v-list.mbox file contains
unescaped From  lines in message bodies.

Use /usr/lib/mailman/bin/cleanarch to find and fix these. Run

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/cleanarch --help for more information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject archive entries found after arch

[Chad Rebuck]

That worked perfectly.  I've also located a handful of mbox files from
when the list was using a different domain and a different listserv
application.  Is there a way to import these multiple mbox list
archive messages into my mail archive?

I also may experiment a little with the arch behavior on a newly
created list for test purposes.


On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
 Chad Rebuck wrote:

I'm moving my list to a new server.  Generating the archive html pages
from the mbox file caused 26 messages with No subject to show up on
the Aug 2011 archive page.  Most of the posts that make up these
entries are in the mbox file with a date of 2002 or 2003.  The html
files are incomplete and contain only fragments of the original
message.  I didn't notice anything obviously wrong with the mbox
content in the few messages I tracked down.  Any suggestions on what
to look for?


 Your archives/private/a2-16v-list.mbox/a2-16v-list.mbox file contains
 unescaped From  lines in message bodies.

 Use /usr/lib/mailman/bin/cleanarch to find and fix these. Run

 /usr/lib/mailman/bin/cleanarch --help for more information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject archive entries found after arch

[Mark Sapiro]

Chad Rebuck wrote:

That worked perfectly.  I've also located a handful of mbox files from
when the list was using a different domain and a different listserv
application.  Is there a way to import these multiple mbox list
archive messages into my mail archive?


bin/arch --wipe listname [/path/to/mbox]

will initialize the archive with the messages in /path/to/mbox or the
default archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox if no path is
given.

Without the --wipe option, the messages in the mbox will be added to
the archive.

So you can maintain the separate mbox files and initialize the archive
from one and add the rest. If you do that, it is best to process the
default archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox last so that if
you ever rebuild the archive, you can process the files in the same
order and maintain the message numbers in the archive.

Or, you can simply concatenate the mbox files into a single, large
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file and then run

bin/arch --wipe listname.

Having done this myself both ways multiple times, I prefer the latter
method.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* mary.lanhai mary.lan...@gmail.com:

 I can recieve many emails from mailman-users@python.org but I can not post
 one to it.

Like this one? *facepalm*
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Adam McGreggor]

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:20:04AM +0800, mary.lanhai wrote:
 I can recieve many emails from mailman-users@python.org but I can not post
 one to it. Why is full of my mind. Could you help me to find out why. I
 really appreciate your help.

X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:35:37 +0100

may be applicable.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

mary.lanhai wrote:

I can recieve many emails from mailman-users@python.org but I can not post
one to it. Why is full of my mind. Could you help me to find out why. I
really appreciate your help.


You successfully posted this. None of your prior attempts reached the
list moderator. What did you do differently this time?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mary Ma]

Hello Mark,

I indeed had problem before. I tried many times and would got email say,
deliver failed. I email to one of them, he suggested to contact with the
owner.

I'm also surprised this time

Anyway, finally I reach you guys.

Thank you.

Mary

2010/2/24 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net

 mary.lanhai wrote:
 
 I can recieve many emails from mailman-users@python.org but I can not
 post
 one to it. Why is full of my mind. Could you help me to find out why. I
 really appreciate your help.


 You successfully posted this. None of your prior attempts reached the
 list moderator. What did you do differently this time?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Mary Ma wrote:

Anyway, finally I reach you guys.

So did you actually have a question to post or did you just want to
know you could?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Brian Carpenter]

 -Original Message-
 From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org [mailto:mailman-
 users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of rguket...@aol.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:32 PM
 To: mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
 
 Hi
 
 I use your mailing list service through lunar pages, I am the
 admistrator
 and for some reason about a month ago some of the people on the list
 dont
 get  every email.  I went in and looked and they arent bounced what
 should i
 do.
 
 thanks
 Rosemary Guketlov
 _www.icsspotswood.org_ (http://www.icsspotswood.org)
 _icsexpr...@icsspotswood.org_ (mailto:icsexpr...@icsspotswood.org)

You will probably need to contact Lunarpage's technical support to see what
is going on. They should be able to assist you. You will need to provide
them your list email address, the subject line of your the last non-received
post, its date/time stamp, and the e-mail addresses of those who did not
receive the message.

My experience is this tends to end up being an issue on the list member's
end, i.e. either due to an overzealous spam filter, full mailbox, etc.

Brian
EMWD.com
Mailmanhosting.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Chris Hallo wrote:

Hello! We have had enough turnover within our non-profit to the point that 
nobody has permissions to add new groups. We can perform membership and other 
management functions on the existing groups however are unable to create new 
ones. We receive a not authorized error message when we try. Would someone 
please contact me at 619-379-6322 and let me know what information is required 
to have either or password reset or this access given? Thank you!


The Mailman site and/or list creator passwords are set with Mailman's
command line tool bin/mmsitepass. You or someone with command line
access to the installation can do bin/mmsitepass --help for more
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Stephen Plumpton wrote:

I would like to create a list for blind people to use to discuss IT
related queries. How do I start a list off and how do people subscribe.

 

Do I need to instal mailman on a Unix based machine as the first step?
Or can a windows machine be used.


It is possible to run Mailman, Apache and an MTA under Cygwin on
Windows, but I don't recommend it. Some *nix OS is better.

You might also consider a hosted service. See
http://wiki.list.org/x/Hg for some possibilities.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Scott Race]

Well, I actually just figured this out.  I set Postfix back to work for
just a single domain, reinstalled mailman and now it's working
correctly. I'll just need to do the advanced config for the multiple
domains.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Race
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:50 AM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

 
Hello,
I'm inheriting a server that has mailman setup on it, but eventually
will have mailman lists for multiple domain names.  I'm having hard time
figuring out what was previously done, but ultimately trying to get at
least one mailman list working on one domain.  However, it's currently
somewhat configured for mutliple domains.
 
At this point, I can create lists, join lists, but can't post to lists.
I can send emails to the list and don't get bounces, but nothing ever
gets posted.
 
One thing I see is that the maillog shows email is getting rewritten
before it can be delivered to the orig mailbox, see the relevant section
of the maillog here:
 
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: 70D3719F075E:
client=mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/cleanup[23940]: 70D3719F075E:
message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
l mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ,
size=1721, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/local[23941]: 70D3719F075E:
to=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ,
orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , relay=local, delay=0,
status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/qmgr[23869]: 70D3719F075E: removed
Oct 15 03:26:29 161446-db1 postfix/smtpd[23936]: disconnect from
mail.newarch.com[216.135.169.66]

 
I'm thinking the aliases is somehow not configured correctly, but just
an idea.
 
So, can join the list fine and receive emails from the mailman server,
just can't post to the list...
 
Any ideas? Thanks a ton in advance.
 
 
-BFC
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text

[Sven Schmidt]

Mark Sapiro schrieb:


So there was a prior server involved. Are you sure the messages with
prefixed subject are not coming from that server, or if they are
coming from the new server, that the admin interface isn't going to
the old server.

yes. Two different addresses.



Note that the .pyc size difference could be the result of compilation
by a different Python version.

Both are CookHeaders.pyc: python 2.3 byte-compiled

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text / correction

[Sven Schmidt]

Mark Sapiro schrieb:



So there was a prior server involved. Are you sure the messages with
prefixed subject are not coming from that server, or if they are
coming from the new server, that the admin interface isn't going to
the old server.

Note that the .pyc size difference could be the result of compilation
by a different Python version.



oh wait, on new server its python 2.4 byte-compiled

old server:
 8 -rw-r--r--  1 root list  5776 2007-02-28 22:35 CalcRecips.py
 4 -rw-r--r--  1 root root  3238 2007-03-28 08:43 CalcRecips.pyc
 4 -rw-r--r--  1 root list  1370 2007-02-28 22:35 CleanseDKIM.py
 4 -rw-r--r--  1 root root   898 2007-03-28 08:43 CleanseDKIM.pyc
 4 -rw-r--r--  1 root list  2095 2007-02-28 22:35 Cleanse.py
 4 -rw-r--r--  1 root root  1273 2007-03-28 08:43 Cleanse.pyc
16 -rw-r--r--  1 root list 15315 2007-02-28 22:35 CookHeaders.py
12 -rw-r--r--  1 root root  8844 2007-03-28 08:43 CookHeaders.pyc

new server:
 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root list  5776 2007-02-28 22:36 CalcRecips.py
 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2820 2007-10-26 09:16 CalcRecips.pyc
 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root list  1370 2007-02-28 22:36 CleanseDKIM.py
 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   833 2007-10-26 09:16 CleanseDKIM.pyc
 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root list  2095 2007-02-28 22:36 Cleanse.py
 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1153 2007-10-26 09:16 Cleanse.pyc
16 -rw-r--r-- 1 root list 15315 2007-02-28 22:36 CookHeaders.py
 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  7474 2007-10-26 09:16 CookHeaders.pyc

it seems,that nothing has been edited. only the size is diffent.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text (solved)

[Sven Schmidt]

Mark Sapiro schrieb:

So there was a prior server involved. Are you sure the messages with
prefixed subject are not coming from that server, or if they are
coming from the new server, that the admin interface isn't going to
the old server.


Someone has put a script into the alias DB.

#!/usr/bin/perl

use Date::Format;

@lt = localtime(time);
$template=%Y-%m;
$datestr=time2str($template, time);

$pipe=|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname;
$counterfile=/var/local/MAInfocounter;
open(CF,+,$counterfile);
while (CF){
$mano=$_;
}
$mano++;
print $mano;
seek(CF,0,0);
print CF $mano;
close(CF);

open(PH,$pipe) || die cannot open Pipe;

while (STDIN) {
$_ =~ s/^Subject: /Subject: [Infolist $datestr Nr.$mano] /;
print PH $_;
}

close(PH);

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text

[Sven Schmidt]

Mark Sapiro schrieb:

Are you saying that subject_prefix on the list's General Options page
is empty, yet the subject is being prefixed on list mails?

yes, subject_prefix (general): empty


If that is what you're saying, then either this is a different list
than you think it is and you are not looking at the General Options
page/config.pck for the list that is actually processing the mail, or
there are some modifications to this Mailman that are doing this.
I've noticed, that CookHeaders.pyc is bigger on the old server, but are 
the same CookHeaders.py.

I guess, someone had copied it there.



You could try looking at Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py which is where
the prefixing is done. You could also try

grep -r 'text' Mailman/*
where 'text' is the added prefix.

I did it already.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text

[Mark Sapiro]

Sven Schmidt wrote:

Mark Sapiro schrieb:
 Are you saying that subject_prefix on the list's General Options page
 is empty, yet the subject is being prefixed on list mails?
yes, subject_prefix (general): empty

 If that is what you're saying, then either this is a different list
 than you think it is and you are not looking at the General Options
 page/config.pck for the list that is actually processing the mail, or
 there are some modifications to this Mailman that are doing this.
I've noticed, that CookHeaders.pyc is bigger on the old server, but are 
the same CookHeaders.py.
I guess, someone had copied it there.


So there was a prior server involved. Are you sure the messages with
prefixed subject are not coming from that server, or if they are
coming from the new server, that the admin interface isn't going to
the old server.

Note that the .pyc size difference could be the result of compilation
by a different Python version.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding subject text

[Mark Sapiro]

Sven Schmidt wrote:

I have one list with a subject text, but it is not shown on the config 
website. I already dumped the config.pck, but didn't find it in there. 
Where could it be?


Are you saying that subject_prefix on the list's General Options page
is empty, yet the subject is being prefixed on list mails?


If that is what you're saying, then either this is a different list
than you think it is and you are not looking at the General Options
page/config.pck for the list that is actually processing the mail, or
there are some modifications to this Mailman that are doing this.

You could try looking at Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py which is where
the prefixing is done. You could also try

grep -r 'text' Mailman/*

where 'text' is the added prefix.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Dragon]

On Wed, March 12, 2008 13:12, David Symes wrote:
 hello there.I would like to know where mailman installs its files etc.i do
 have shell access to my hosting folders.i do know from past experience
 that mailman is still functional after it is uninstalled is i see the
 message there are no lists here or something like it


That depends on how you installed it. If you did it from source and did
not change the location, it will be in /usr/local/mailman

If you installed from somebody else's package, it is probably somewhere
else to conform with the distribution's notion of a proper file
heirarchy. Red Hat moves things around and if you are using Plesk or
Cpanel, they move things too (and support for them is out of the scope of
this list as they haven't shared their changes back to the mailman
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Hugh Rowley wrote:

Can Mailman send complex messages with embedded graphics (JPEG images, etc.), 
or is everything still basically plain-text with image attachments?


It's all in how you set up content filtering.


If Mailman can send anything more sophisticated than plain text, maybe you 
could post an example, and hints about how you did it? 


Set filter_content to No and Mailman will pass the message essentially
as received except for the addition of msg_header and msg_footer if
any. If these cause problems, set them empty. (See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mikael Hansen]

On Oct 22, 2007, at 10:47, Mark Sapiro wrote:
[Re: Looking to migrate off of Majordomo]

 List owners/moderators can approve or discard held posts and held  
 (un)subscribe requests by email, but that's about it. Other list  
 admin tasks require a web interface or shell access with write  
 permission to the Mailman installation.

I am hesitant to ask this as I should wait until one day when I can  
investigate it myself in more depth, but when the moderator approves  
or rejects, how can the moderator (using the web interface to send)  
receive a copy of the email going to the member? A forward of the  
moderated message does not include the moderator's decision.

And is there an archive of such decisions (and invitations etc)  
available to the moderator? I feel I must have overlooked the obvious.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Allan Hansen]

You may also want to change add_members as follows:

from 

mlist.setDeliveryStatus(member, ...

to

mlist.setDeliveryStatus(userdesc.address, ...

in case you want to use that, too. (I had to make that change)

Allan


On vendredi 12 octobre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Frédéric Mantegazza wrote:

  Using sync_members on a file containing names and addresses, I get :
 
  Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/sbin/sync_members, line 286, in ?
  main()
File /usr/sbin/sync_members, line 259, in main
  s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace')
  UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position
  3: ordinal not in range(128)
 
  Is this script able to handle non-ascii chars?

 There is a problem with the script, however at the point of the above
 error, the user had already been added and it is only in formatting the
 name and address for printing in the 'Added :' message that the error
 occurs.

 I think you can simply change line 289 of sync_members to

 s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr))

 to avoid this problem. Please try that and report.

Yes, it works. There are 2 lines with this call; I also had to change the 
first one to make it work.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Allan Hansen wrote:

You may also want to change add_members as follows:

from


mlist.setDeliveryStatus(member, ...

to

mlist.setDeliveryStatus(userdesc.address, ...

in case you want to use that, too. (I had to make that change)


What Mailman version is this? No Mailman 2.1.x as distributed by the
Mailman project calls the setDeliveryStatus list method.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Ben Botes wrote:

When importing a mailing list using mass import, is there a way that one can
import the persons name and email address at the same time?


See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.044.htp.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Nicoll, Alan wrote:

We are migrating about 300 lists from majordomo to mailman and would like
some help finding how to setup a few properties.  We've worked at this a
while and been unable to find where/how to set these.  (See below for
background.)

 

1.  We don't want any 'list owners' or 'moderators'.  Just we lucky few
admins will run the lists.


You don't need 'moderators', but you do need 'owners'. Mailman sends
various notices to listname-owner and this is in turn forwarded to the
list owner address(es) which should be deliverable. Presumably the
owner(s) will be you few lucky admins.


2.  We want the majority of the lists to be open for users to
subscribe/unsubscribe without any passwords required.


I'm not sure what you really are asking. List members have passwords to
allow them to authenticate for things like visiting private archives,
changing user options and unsubscribing without confirmation, but if
they don't need to do these things, they don't need to know/use any
password.

If you want users to be able to subscribe without confirmation, you
need to set

ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes

in mm_cfg.py and then set the list's Privacy options...-Subscription
rules-subscribe_policy to None.

Users cannot unsubscribe without either a password, a confirmation
email, or admin action.


3.  We want the other very few lists to be setup so only the single list
admin(s) adds and removes names from the list.


Set Privacy options...-Subscription rules-subscribe_policy to Require
Aproval and set Privacy options...-Subscription
rules-unsubscribe_policy to Yes to prevent users from (un)subscribing
themselves and then manage the membership via the admin Membership
Management...-Mass Subscription and Mass Removal pages or the
bin/add_members and bin/remove_members command line tools.


4.  All of the lists are for broadcast only with the majority being used by
automated processes that do not react nicely to bounces or other
administrivia and are not members of each list.


See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Brad Knowles]

On 8/22/07, Nicoll, Alan wrote:

  1.  We don't want any 'list owners' or 'moderators'.  Just we lucky few
  admins will run the lists.

Then use a single central alias or mailing list as the list owner for 
each of those lists, and have that be directed to your admins.  For 
one site I help administer, listmaster is the registered owner of 
virtually all mailing lists on the system, and that in turn is an 
alias which gets sent out to a few admins on the project.

  2.  We want the majority of the lists to be open for users to
  subscribe/unsubscribe without any passwords required.

If your lists are publicly accessible, this will open you up to being 
abused as a DDOS facility.  Imagine your personal e-mail address 
being subscribed to several hundred mailing lists that don't do any 
validation or require any confirmation that you do actually want to 
be subscribed.

If these lists are not publicly accessible, and you have adequate 
security controls elsewhere, then you should be okay.


However, even if the users are directly subscribed and without 
confirmation, they'll still be issued passwords and those passwords 
will be sent out to them on a monthly basis, so that they have the 
ability to log into a web site on your server and manage their 
subscriptions.

I guess you could simply choose not to run the standard cron job for 
mailpasswds, but that won't prevent the system from generating the 
passwords for the user, just from having it send out those password 
reminders on a monthly basis.

You're not going to get completely rid of this feature, at least not easily.

  3.  We want the other very few lists to be setup so only the single list
  admin(s) adds and removes names from the list.

As above, but make sure that these lists require approval (from the 
list owner/admin staff).

  4.  All of the lists are for broadcast only with the majority being used by
  automated processes that do not react nicely to bounces or other
  administrivia and are not members of each list.

Mailman should handle issues with bounces internally, unless the 
recipient has a broken mail system which sends bounces back to the 
original sender.  You've seen some of that on this list, and I nuked 
the users in question very quickly, because I didn't want them to get 
into auto-responder wars with others on the list.

That said, you could always configure your automated processes to use 
a sender address that can handle bounces or auto-replies, and which 
is on the appropriate white list for each mailing list, so that it 
no longer matters whether bounces or auto-replies are sent back to 
the original sender or not.

Since you provide the sender address as input to the process when the 
message is generated, you can make this whatever you want.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

However, even if the users are directly subscribed and without 
confirmation, they'll still be issued passwords and those passwords 
will be sent out to them on a monthly basis, so that they have the 
ability to log into a web site on your server and manage their 
subscriptions.


The sending of reminders is a list option (on General
Options/Notifications). It can be defaulted to Off with

DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = No

in mm_cfg.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--

Mark Sapiro wrote:

 So, if I process the old mbox and convert the From  lines without 
 dates into From  lines without  and  and add a date/time stamp, and 
 THEN run cleanarch, cleanarch should escape only the 1006 non-matching 
 From  lines, and I should end up with an mbox I can combine with 
 March, April and May of 2007 from the current list.  Is that a correct 
 assessment?
 
 
 That is correct, but if you can process the old mbox and identify which
 From  lines without dates are actually message separators, then you
 should be able to identify which ones are not message separators and
 just escape those. I.e. create your own archive cleaner specific to
 this situation.
 

Which is exactly what I did.  I ran cleanarch on the result, and it 
found four instances of bad email addresses, as in foo bar@spam.org 
(the  were part of the address), but luckily, those four instances were 
forwarded messages, and did indeed need to be escaped.

OK.  Now I have a large inbox to re-process (110 MB), but before I do 
that, I have to remove all the previously processed messages from the 
current archive.  The FAQ (3.3. How can I remove a post from the list 
archive / remove an entire archive?) says to edit the raw archive.

Editing 122 MB of raw archive is going to take some time, since I have 
to throw away 110 MB of it.  I'd like to prevent new messages from 
coming into the system while I'm editing it, and I seem to be 
overlooking instructions on how to lock the list.  I find that the help 
message for withlist tells me how to lock the list while I operate on it 
using withlist, but is that what I want?  Can I vi/emacs the mbox while 
it is locked with withlist?

Am I simply obtuse, or is there no way to lock the list while I'm 
editing?  Or do I throw caution to the winds and blithely edit without 
concern for incoming messages?

Thanks for all your help, and patience.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

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On May 25, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

 Editing 122 MB of raw archive is going to take some time, since I have
 to throw away 110 MB of it.  I'd like to prevent new messages from
 coming into the system while I'm editing it, and I seem to be
 overlooking instructions on how to lock the list.  I find that the  
 help
 message for withlist tells me how to lock the list while I operate  
 on it
 using withlist, but is that what I want?  Can I vi/emacs the mbox  
 while
 it is locked with withlist?

 Am I simply obtuse, or is there no way to lock the list while I'm
 editing?  Or do I throw caution to the winds and blithely edit without
 concern for incoming messages?

Hi Ivan,

Can you just turn off mailmanctl while you're editing the inbox?   
Okay, this will shut down your Mailman system globally, which you  
might not want to do, but it's as safe as it gets.

If you specifically want to block messages just to the list your  
editing, then yes, lock it with bin/withlist and just edit the mbox.

Another option is to restart mailmanctl but temporarily disable the  
ArchRunner.  You should be safe to edit the mbox file then, and just  
delay updating all your archives (including the mbox archives) until  
you've finished your surgery, while the rest of the system continues  
to churn away.

Cheers,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--
Ah, thanks, Barry.  I will try one of these methods, probably the 
withlist one, and report back later today.  If all goes well, I'll be 
able to update two FAQ entries, the one about removing archive entries 
and the one about importing messages/archives into your mailing list.

Metta,
Ivan

Barry Warsaw wrote:
 
 
 Can you just turn off mailmanctl while you're editing the inbox?  Okay, 
 this will shut down your Mailman system globally, which you might not 
 want to do, but it's as safe as it gets.
 
 If you specifically want to block messages just to the list your 
 editing, then yes, lock it with bin/withlist and just edit the mbox.
 
 Another option is to restart mailmanctl but temporarily disable the 
 ArchRunner.  You should be safe to edit the mbox file then, and just 
 delay updating all your archives (including the mbox archives) until 
 you've finished your surgery, while the rest of the system continues to 
 churn away.
 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--
I wrote:
 Ah, thanks, Barry.  I will try one of these methods, probably the 
 withlist one, and report back later today.  If all goes well, I'll be 
 able to update two FAQ entries, the one about removing archive entries 
 and the one about importing messages/archives into your mailing list.

I locked the list with withlist.  I then edited the .mbox file with vim 
and deleted 2662737 lines, all the messages that had malformed 'From ' 
lines (no dates at the end of the lines).  On my somewhat slow machine 
(2.2GHZ Celeron), with only a gig of memory, this took about 10 minutes. 
  I was willing to wait. ;-)

After saving modified .mbox, I exited withlist without saving.  I then 
catted the corrected old archive .mbox file to the end of the modified 
.mbox.  Then I ran arch.  That, too, took a while, maybe half-an-hour 
for about 49,000 messages.  Again, I was willing to wait. ;-)

Once it finished, I went to the latest, May 2007, archive index page. 
Here is the top of that page:

 
May 2007 Archives by date

 * Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
 * More info on this list...

Starting: Tue May 1 04:17:11 MDT 2007
Ending: Fri May 25 09:53:46 MDT 2007
Messages: 928


Messages: 928 is a WHOLE LOT better than Messages: 5928.  ;-)

I couldn't be more pleased.  I'm chuffed!  Thanks to everyone.  I'll be 
updating the FAQ entries concerned later today, I hope.  Or would it be 
better to post the corrected entries here first in order to get input on 
them upfront?


I looked at the remainder of the archives, and I found only two 
oddities, both on the same page.  Here is the relevant section of the 
index page:

# Peter Abresch   Ellen Stanton
# No subject   Judith Miller
#   Marilyn Kapp
# Happy: Up, down, up, down...   Jmacampora at aol.com
# Guppy Digest   Jmacampora at aol.com
#   Jmacampora at aol.com
# Guppies/Janet A.   Lanier Dodson

The Marilyn Kapp and the third Jmacampora at aol.com entries have no 
subjects and no links to them.  The previous entries are missing the 
Next message links, and the following entries are missing the 
Previous message links.

I'm actually willing to live with these, unless they're damaging the 
archives somehow.  Any guesses as to how difficult it would be to fix 
these by say, simply editing the .mbox and re-running arch --wipe?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--

Barry Warsaw wrote:

 The only thing I would add is that the default lock lifetime is 15 
 seconds, so it's possible some other process would have broken the lock 
 during that time.  That you didn't get an exception when you exited (and 
 thus unlocked) the list is a good sign that didn't happen. ;)
 

Urk.  I must live right.

 Given the MailList object, there's no easy way to extend the lock's 
 lifetime.  You can hack the LockFile.py file, or do something like:
 
   m._MailList__lock.refresh(60 * minute)
 

Good to know; I'll add that to the FAQ when I can.

 I'm actually willing to live with these, unless they're damaging the
 archives somehow.  Any guesses as to how difficult it would be to fix
 these by say, simply editing the .mbox and re-running arch --wipe?
 
 Unsure.  What does bin/cleanarch -n say?
 

$ cleanarch -n guppies.mbox
43413 messages found
$

I was a little off.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

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On May 25, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

 I locked the list with withlist.  I then edited the .mbox file with  
 vim
 and deleted 2662737 lines, all the messages that had malformed 'From '
 lines (no dates at the end of the lines).  On my somewhat slow machine
 (2.2GHZ Celeron), with only a gig of memory, this took about 10  
 minutes.
   I was willing to wait. ;-)

 After saving modified .mbox, I exited withlist without saving.  I then
 catted the corrected old archive .mbox file to the end of the modified
 .mbox.  Then I ran arch.  That, too, took a while, maybe half-an-hour
 for about 49,000 messages.  Again, I was willing to wait. ;-)

The only thing I would add is that the default lock lifetime is 15  
seconds, so it's possible some other process would have broken the  
lock during that time.  That you didn't get an exception when you  
exited (and thus unlocked) the list is a good sign that didn't  
happen. ;)

Given the MailList object, there's no easy way to extend the lock's  
lifetime.  You can hack the LockFile.py file, or do something like:

  m._MailList__lock.refresh(60 * minute)

 I'm actually willing to live with these, unless they're damaging the
 archives somehow.  Any guesses as to how difficult it would be to fix
 these by say, simply editing the .mbox and re-running arch --wipe?

Unsure.  What does bin/cleanarch -n say?

- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
 I ran cleanarch, yes, but all it did was to escape every single From  
 line, which would make arch think there was only one message.
 
 
 
 Then either the From line doesn't match the pattern
 mailbox.UnixMailbox._fromlinepattern or it is not followed immediately
 (with no intervening lines or maybe even '\r') by a line that looks
 like a message header.
 
 If there is intervening whitespace between the From  line and the
 message headers, that may cause the spurious archived empty messages.
 

Ah.  Now we're getting somewhere.  Here are some sample From  lines:

1)  From the current list.mbox (leading ' ' not part of actual line):
  From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 18 18:17:56 2007
2)  From the old mbox which I want to incorporate (leading ' ' inserted):
  From robyn m. fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or
  From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Ryplansky)

And here is the _fromlinepattern:

_fromlinepattern = rFrom \s*[^\s]+\s+\w\w\w\s+\w\w\w\s+\d?\d\s+ \
r\d?\d:\d\d(:\d\d)?(\s+[^\s]+)?\s+\d\d\d\d\s*$

Now, I don't understand much of this pattern, but it looks to me as if 
a) there's no provision for matching  or  or  characters; and
b) some sort of date/time mark is required.

All the From  lines are terminated with a \n, and all are followed 
immediately by what look like valid message header lines, so I don't 
think those are problems.  There do appear to be 1006 unescaped From  
lines in the old mbox:

$ grep '^From ' guppies-out.mbox | wc
46295  163728 1800087
$ grep '^From: ' guppies-out.mbox | wc
45289  159710 1803623

So, if I process the old mbox and convert the From  lines without 
dates into From  lines without  and  and add a date/time stamp, and 
THEN run cleanarch, cleanarch should escape only the 1006 non-matching 
From  lines, and I should end up with an mbox I can combine with 
March, April and May of 2007 from the current list.  Is that a correct 
assessment?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

Ah.  Now we're getting somewhere.  Here are some sample From  lines:

1)  From the current list.mbox (leading ' ' not part of actual line):
  From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 18 18:17:56 2007


This is a normal Unix From_


2)  From the old mbox which I want to incorporate (leading ' ' inserted):
  From robyn m. fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or
  From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Ryplansky)


These are non-standard separators



And here is the _fromlinepattern:

_fromlinepattern = rFrom \s*[^\s]+\s+\w\w\w\s+\w\w\w\s+\d?\d\s+ \
r\d?\d:\d\d(:\d\d)?(\s+[^\s]+)?\s+\d\d\d\d\s*$

Now, I don't understand much of this pattern, but it looks to me as if 
a) there's no provision for matching  or  or  characters; and
b) some sort of date/time mark is required.


This pattern is used by cleanarch to try to separate a standard Unix
From_ separator from other lines that just happen to begin with From
. It matches
From  followed by whitespace-delimited fields containing
any non-whitespace - email address
3 alphanumercs - day of week
3 alphanumerics - month
1 or 2 digits - day of month
1 or 2 digits, colon, 2 digits, optional colon and 2 digits - hh:mm(:ss)
optional any non whitespace - time zone offset
4 digits - year

So yes, it looks for a single email address and a date in a specific
format. The email address can be bracketed - [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
doesn't really have to look like a valid email address, but it can't
contain whitespace, thus it can't have a 'real name' unless it has no
whitespace such as johnsmith[EMAIL PROTECTED].

This is only used by cleanarch. Pipermail doesn't care about the
contents of the From_ separator. It assumes any line that begins with
From  is a separator and ignores the rest of the line.
 

All the From  lines are terminated with a \n, and all are followed 
immediately by what look like valid message header lines, so I don't 
think those are problems.  There do appear to be 1006 unescaped From  
lines in the old mbox:

$ grep '^From ' guppies-out.mbox | wc
46295  163728 1800087
$ grep '^From: ' guppies-out.mbox | wc
45289  159710 1803623


This seems to indicate a problem, but still doesn't account for 5000
spurious archive entries.


So, if I process the old mbox and convert the From  lines without 
dates into From  lines without  and  and add a date/time stamp, and 
THEN run cleanarch, cleanarch should escape only the 1006 non-matching 
From  lines, and I should end up with an mbox I can combine with 
March, April and May of 2007 from the current list.  Is that a correct 
assessment?


That is correct, but if you can process the old mbox and identify which
From  lines without dates are actually message separators, then you
should be able to identify which ones are not message separators and
just escape those. I.e. create your own archive cleaner specific to
this situation.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
 But I have one list for which I used archives from two previous 
 incarnations of the list, plus the current archive mbox, as input to 
 arch.  I made sure that the previous archives were in mbox format and 
 that they contained only one From  line per message.
 
 
 Are you sure? Did you run bin/cleanarch against the .mbox file to check
 it?
 

I ran cleanarch, yes, but all it did was to escape every single From  
line, which would make arch think there was only one message.


 
 This usually results from a message containing an embedded From 
 somewhere in the message body. The message is archived properly under
 its correct date and subject, but that entry is truncated at the line
 that begins with From . Then the rest of the message is archived as
 a separate message. Since it has no From:, Subject: or Date: headers,
 it is archived with the current date and no subject. Also , text
 following the From  up to the first totally empty (not just blank)
 line is considered part of the header and is not archived with this
 'second' message.
 

That would describe what I'm seeing, except that--
  
 If there is any message body text in the 'No subject' archived entry,
 you should be able to find that in the .mbox.
 

Right, but there are 5,000 entries with No subject and no body, not a 
hint of a body.

 
 The _only_ thing I can see, in the current mbox, 
 is that the end of the last message from the old archives ends on one 
 line and the From  line for the next message begins on the very next 
 line, with no blank lines between,
 
 
 That shouldn't cause this.
 

Good to know.

 
 and everywhere else there are either 
 one or more blank lines or one of those message separator lines from 
 AOL: 
 --MB_8C9379FAFA8ECEC_DAC_6C2A_WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com--
 These bogus entries aren't really hurting anything, I suppose, but they 
 are annoying and it is irritating to have to scroll down 5000 lines to 
 get to the next real message.
 
 
 They are actually, because they represent missing pieces of other
 messages.
 

How to track them down?

 
 What is causing this?  And is there anything I can do to get rid of the 
 problem?  I am willing to live with it if I have to, but I would prefer 
 having a fix.
 
 
 I think you have unescaped From  lines in the bodies of messages. Run
 bin/cleanarch (with the -n/--dry-run option) to check.
 
 Another possibility is you have real looking but extraneous
 (duplicate?) From  lines not followed by a real message with
 Subject: and Date: headers prior to the next From .
 

Do lines beginning with whitespace before a From count?  There are about 
a hundred of those in the input mbox.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

I ran cleanarch, yes, but all it did was to escape every single From  
line, which would make arch think there was only one message.



Then either the From line doesn't match the pattern
mailbox.UnixMailbox._fromlinepattern or it is not followed immediately
(with no intervening lines or maybe even '\r') by a line that looks
like a message header.

If there is intervening whitespace between the From  line and the
message headers, that may cause the spurious archived empty messages.



Do lines beginning with whitespace before a From count?  There are about 
a hundred of those in the input mbox.


They shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No subject messages in archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

But I have one list for which I used archives from two previous 
incarnations of the list, plus the current archive mbox, as input to 
arch.  I made sure that the previous archives were in mbox format and 
that they contained only one From  line per message.


Are you sure? Did you run bin/cleanarch against the .mbox file to check
it?

Once I was 
convinced they were all ready, I combined the old archive mbox with the 
current archive mbox using cat, and ran arch.

It worked perfectly, creating archive pages going all the way back to 
1999, except that in the archive page for the month in which I ran arch 
(May) for the day on which I ran it (May 7), I have in the vicinity of 
5000 entries for messages with No subject and no body.  The index page 
for May looks like this:

# [Guppies] Malice 2008   Suzanne Williams
# No subject
# No subject
# No subject
... 5000 entries
# No subject
# No subject
# [Guppies] harsh words for cheating   peg908 at aol.com
# [Guppies] harsh words for cheating   Vwright


This usually results from a message containing an embedded From 
somewhere in the message body. The message is archived properly under
its correct date and subject, but that entry is truncated at the line
that begins with From . Then the rest of the message is archived as
a separate message. Since it has no From:, Subject: or Date: headers,
it is archived with the current date and no subject. Also , text
following the From  up to the first totally empty (not just blank)
line is considered part of the header and is not archived with this
'second' message.


I tried to find these mysterious entries in the current archive mbox, 
but they don't appear.


If there is any message body text in the 'No subject' archived entry,
you should be able to find that in the .mbox.


The _only_ thing I can see, in the current mbox, 
is that the end of the last message from the old archives ends on one 
line and the From  line for the next message begins on the very next 
line, with no blank lines between,


That shouldn't cause this.


and everywhere else there are either 
one or more blank lines or one of those message separator lines from 
AOL: 
 --MB_8C9379FAFA8ECEC_DAC_6C2A_WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com--

These bogus entries aren't really hurting anything, I suppose, but they 
are annoying and it is irritating to have to scroll down 5000 lines to 
get to the next real message.


They are actually, because they represent missing pieces of other
messages.


What is causing this?  And is there anything I can do to get rid of the 
problem?  I am willing to live with it if I have to, but I would prefer 
having a fix.


I think you have unescaped From  lines in the bodies of messages. Run
bin/cleanarch (with the -n/--dry-run option) to check.

Another possibility is you have real looking but extraneous
(duplicate?) From  lines not followed by a real message with
Subject: and Date: headers prior to the next From .

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

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On 4/2/07, Con Wieland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have found the following bad address using ./find_member -l sscm-l
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 constance.frei^M
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] found in:
   sscm-l
'^M' is the control character for a carriage return. With bash, doing:
~$ foo '
  '

will let you type a literal carriage return. This is :
(1) Type your command
(2) Type a single quote ( ' )
(3) Type anything before the line break
(4) Press enter, as if you were going to execute the command
(5) Bash gives you the ' ' prompt; type anything after the line break
(6) Type the closing single quote ( ' )
(7) Press enter, or type in more arguments.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

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On 3/22/07, lookaroundcornwall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any suggestions as to where I should start looking?

If you have shell-level access to the server at mydomain.com (by the
way, please see RFC 2606 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2606.txt,
about what domain names to use for examples. :), you should start by
first checking your MTA (e.g., sendmail, postfix, exim) logs
(generally something like /var/log/mail*) to see if the message you
send is being received. If the mail is getting to the server, next
check to see if the mail is getting to Mailman. This should be in your
MTA logs, as well as in Mailman's logs (post?).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Patrick Bogen]

On 1/3/07, Whitcomb, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When someone sends an email with a read receipt request to a list that I
 own, I get a lot of uncaught bounce notifications (I have attached one
 for reference).  I am wondering if there is any way I can stop getting
 all these Read Receipt messages when people send an email to a Mailman
 list, without turning off bounce processing all together.  I tried just
 filtering them in Outlook, but you can't filter on an attachment name.
 I do currently have all of the bounce notifications going to a folder,
 but would like to either stop getting these particular ones, or be able
 to further filter them into another folder.

This sounds like it should really be a user education issue; convince
your users to stop sending 'read receipt' requests.

If that won't work, it might be possible to put together some filter
rules to hold or reject messages with these requests included;
although this is really just a way to reinforce the idea that they
shouldn't be sending them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Larry Stone]

On 9/29/06 6:12 PM, Robert Scott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do I use this App on my Mac G4 with OS X?

The FAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py will lead you to
instructions on how to do that, except...

 My incoming mail has been down for 24 hours.

Mailman won't help you a bit with that problem. Mailman is a mailing list
server, not a mail server. And how are you going to read this reply if you
have no incoming mail?

 I also have .Mac

Completely irrelevant. Why don't you tell us what problem you are trying to
solve.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Patrick Bogen]

On 7/11/06, Richard Gruver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What do I do if I forgot the admin. password?

If you don't know the site password, use bin/mmsitepass to set it, and
then use that to login and change the admin password. (You should know
the site pass.)

Or, just use bin/change_pw to change the list password.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Richard Gruver wrote:

What do I do if I forgot the admin. password?

Perhaps you didn't see my reply to your earlier post
(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-July/052151.html)
in which I referred you to the FAQ article which answers this question.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Dragon]

Everett Johnson sent the message below at 19:07 5/22/2006:
Today I created several email lists.  On all of them, when I send a
message to the list (which I am subscribed to) I get the message with
the correct To: and From: headers, but the Sender; header is set
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  For example if the list is
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Sender: on any received messages is set to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED],com.  The message body is correct and To and
  From are correct.

How can I correct this.
 End original message. -

That is the normal default behavior for Mailman.

What it means is that Mailman has sent the mail to the list on behalf 
of the person posting.

I'm not sure why you consider this a problem, Mailman is not the only 
application that manipulates this header, there are other mailing 
list managers and MUAs that do it also.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Everett Johnson]

Why is it normal for a bounce processor to be the sender when there are 
no bounces?  This confuses some list members.

Dragon wrote:
 Everett Johnson sent the message below at 19:07 5/22/2006:
 Today I created several email lists.  On all of them, when I send a
 message to the list (which I am subscribed to) I get the message with
 the correct To: and From: headers, but the Sender; header is set
 to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  For example if the list is
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sender: on any received messages is set to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED],com.  The message body is correct and To and
  From are correct.

 How can I correct this.
  End original message. -

 That is the normal default behavior for Mailman.

 What it means is that Mailman has sent the mail to the list on behalf 
 of the person posting.

 I'm not sure why you consider this a problem, Mailman is not the only 
 application that manipulates this header, there are other mailing list 
 managers and MUAs that do it also.

 Dragon

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Glenn Sieb]

Everett Johnson said the following on 5/22/2006 10:53 PM:
 Why is it normal for a bounce processor to be the sender when there are 
 no bounces?  This confuses some list members.

Because, *should the message bounce to a user*... instead of the
original poster getting the bounce notification, the bounce-processor will.

This is why this is the way it is. It is perfectly acceptable, and
preferred, behaviour.

You think your users are confused now? If this behaviour wasn't there,
they'd be even more confused upon getting notified of bounces for email
to people they (probably) don't know.. ;-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] changing subject header based on mail alias

[Mark Sapiro]

Amy Tanner wrote:

Is it possible to change the subject prefix depending upon the mail
alias used?  For example, let's say I have a mailing list named changes
and there are aliases named blue-changes, red-changes and green-changes
that all point to the changes mailing list.  Is there a way I could
change the subject prefix to [Blue-Changes] if that alias was used ?


Not without changing the code in Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py or
creating a custom handler to do it - see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.067.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Allan Hansen]

In this gents case I KNOW of SIX, repeat SIX e-mails accounts he uses.  Do I 
know the very FIRST letter of the account he uses for his subscription??  No.  
So I have to go thru entire ALPHABET  [page per letter at a time] to find it 
instead of just being able to scroll down a 60 member page.


Instead of looking up subscribers by address, use their names. And instead of 
using
the Mailman interface, use your mail client (I use Eudora, which has a VERY 
fast and
flexible search engine):

All subscriptions to my lists (40 of them) go through a very simple web 
interface
that requires a name and an address. (My moderators have access to this page, 
so that
they can moderate and subscribe/unsubscribe without being admins - I hesitate 
giving
anyone admin access, but they do need the subscribe/unsubscribe/list_members 
functionality).

Mailman then sends emails to me with the subscription list, name and address.
Eudora (my mail client) filters those into a separate folder. I can now search 
for
a person's name in the Eudora mail box and see all his/her subscriptions over 
time.

Mailman also sends unsubscriptions to me, filtered into a separate mailbox. 
These
messages have only the subscriber address, which is fine by me.

Finally, every month, a cron job sends the contents of all the lists to me. 
These
contain the person's name and address both and get filtered by Eudora into yet 
another
mailbox (containing 'current' subscriptions) (Whenever I get a batch of these, 
I purge
last month's batch). 

This setup lets me quickly see what current subscriptions anyone has
without going anywhere near the server's web interface and without knowing the
person's multiple addresses. I just search for the name. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:57 AM -0700 2006-04-10, Allan Hansen wrote:

  Instead of looking up subscribers by address, use their names.

You can also use the Mailman search function, which will work 
with partial names and e-mail addresses, either by user part or 
domain part.  If the comment field in their subscription is filled 
in, that should be searchable too.

If I were subscribed to your lists, you could search for me by my 
first name (or part thereof), my last name (or part thereof), or any 
part of the domain name of the dozen or more different domains that I 
might use in subscribing to your lists.


In other words, all the necessary features are already there in 
the search box.  You just have to use them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Patrick Bogen]

On 4/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was wondering if there was any mailman documentation that is more
 detailed.  I ran through the setup instructions and as far as I can tell.
 it's just not doing anything... added the aliases etc.  The owner is not
 getting notified.. nor can I send/receive emails sent to that account.
Is your aliases file getting properly used by Postfix? (I don't know
how to do or check this, since I don't use postfix.)

Are your qrunners running? (ps uax | grep qrunner) If not, :
$bin/mailmanctl start

If your qrunners are running, and you're sure your aliases are getting
used properly, check the mailman logs; *some* sort of events should be
generated when you attempt to post.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Patrick Bogen]

Sounds like you just want a mailman list that only one 'person' (in
this case, your Java program) can send to...

- Patrick Bogen

On 2/16/06, Luke Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually it doesn't really need to be in MySQL. As long as Mailman handles
 the add and removing of addresses to a list and creates an alias for each
 list, my java program could be tweaked to send mail to all alias rather than
 a set of email addresses (as it does now).

 Thanks,

 Luke


 From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Luke Shannon wrote:
  
  I would like Mailman to only handle subscribing and unsubscribing of
 users
  to our 90 lists which are stored in a mySQL DB. The existing program will
  continue send out the mails.
  
  Can this easily be done with Mailman? Will I have to change our database
 of
  users to a different format?
 
 There is a MySQL Mailman MemberAdaptor at
 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=839386group_id=103atid=300103
 and an updated version os this at
 http://trac.rezo.net/trac/rezo/browser/Mailman/.
 
 This would probably allow you to do what you want, but as Brad
 indicated in another reply, some kind of Customer Relations Manager
 may be more appropriate for your application.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Luke Shannon wrote:

Actually it doesn't really need to be in MySQL. As long as Mailman handles 
the add and removing of addresses to a list and creates an alias for each 
list, my java program could be tweaked to send mail to all alias rather than 
a set of email addresses (as it does now).


Mailman does not create an alias per se. It does provide a list posting
address and receives posts at that address and sends them to the list
members.

If the only purpose of your MySQL database is to provide a list of
people/addresses to deliver to, you could use Mailman without
modification and let it maintain it's own membership list and handle
bounce processing and subscribe/unsubscribe, etc.

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp
for information about setting up announcement (one-way) lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Luke Shannon]

Actually it doesn't really need to be in MySQL. As long as Mailman handles 
the add and removing of addresses to a list and creates an alias for each 
list, my java program could be tweaked to send mail to all alias rather than 
a set of email addresses (as it does now).

Thanks,

Luke


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To: Luke Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED],mailman-users@python.org
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Luke Shannon wrote:
 
 I would like Mailman to only handle subscribing and unsubscribing of 
users
 to our 90 lists which are stored in a mySQL DB. The existing program will
 continue send out the mails.
 
 Can this easily be done with Mailman? Will I have to change our database 
of
 users to a different format?

There is a MySQL Mailman MemberAdaptor at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=839386group_id=103atid=300103
and an updated version os this at
http://trac.rezo.net/trac/rezo/browser/Mailman/.

This would probably allow you to do what you want, but as Brad
indicated in another reply, some kind of Customer Relations Manager
may be more appropriate for your application.

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San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan



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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Luke Shannon]

Ok, Mailman is looking like the solution to my problems.

To get this going I need to create mailman lists from my existing email 
addresses to vendor mappings in the MySQL DB (I don't want everyone already 
signed up to have to re-subscribe). Is it easy to import a list to Mailman?

Once I have my lists in place I think the following is required:

1. Create a customized welcome message that avoids mentioning how to post to 
the list so new people joining.

2. Restrict the list so only authorized persons can post. My java program 
will be this person. Not sure how to configure this from a Mailman point 
of view yet.

3. Modify my DB table to map the Mailman send list addresses to a vendors. 
Thus my program sends a mail to that address and Mailman distributes it to 
the members.

Does all this sound reasonable?

Thanks for all the help thus far :-)

Luke


From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Luke Shannon wrote:

 Actually it doesn't really need to be in MySQL. As long as Mailman 
handles
 the add and removing of addresses to a list and creates an alias for each
 list, my java program could be tweaked to send mail to all alias rather 
than
 a set of email addresses (as it does now).


Mailman does not create an alias per se. It does provide a list posting
address and receives posts at that address and sends them to the list
members.

If the only purpose of your MySQL database is to provide a list of
people/addresses to deliver to, you could use Mailman without
modification and let it maintain it's own membership list and handle
bounce processing and subscribe/unsubscribe, etc.

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp
for information about setting up announcement (one-way) lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Patrick Bogen]

This all sounds fine. It's trivially easy to add a list of email
addresses to a list (there's a textbox on the admin page that you dump
them into and click a button)

Mass-adding the lists is a bit trickier, I think. However, if they're
all basically the same you can generate one configuration file sans
things like the list name, and then programmatically (e.g., with a
shell script, or whatever you prefer) generate all 90 (was it?) if
your lists. I'm not sure where/how to get this file except by (a)
adding a list using the normal method, and then (b) using config_list
-o file listname to dump its config. Someone else may know a
better way.

As for the bits 1-3:
1. Templates for messages are stored in
$prefix/mailman/templates/LANG -- The welcome message is
'subscribeack.txt' -- On my box templates is a symlink to
/etc/mailman, but YMMV.

2. The simplest way to accomlish this seems to be to (a) set
'default_member_moderation' to  1 in the config files as described
above, (b) set member_moderation_action to 2 (discard: e.g., don't
accept, and also don't tell the sender about it), (c) set
generic_nonmember_action to 3 (discard), and (d) add the sender
address for your java program to the 'accept_these_nonmembers' list.

3. Yep, should be fine.


Someone else might be able to come up with better ways to do the
above. I am far from authoritative. :)

- Patrick Bogen

On 2/17/06, Luke Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, Mailman is looking like the solution to my problems.

 To get this going I need to create mailman lists from my existing email
 addresses to vendor mappings in the MySQL DB (I don't want everyone already
 signed up to have to re-subscribe). Is it easy to import a list to Mailman?

 Once I have my lists in place I think the following is required:

 1. Create a customized welcome message that avoids mentioning how to post to
 the list so new people joining.

 2. Restrict the list so only authorized persons can post. My java program
 will be this person. Not sure how to configure this from a Mailman point
 of view yet.

 3. Modify my DB table to map the Mailman send list addresses to a vendors.
 Thus my program sends a mail to that address and Mailman distributes it to
 the members.

 Does all this sound reasonable?

 Thanks for all the help thus far :-)

 Luke


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 Luke Shannon wrote:
 
  Actually it doesn't really need to be in MySQL. As long as Mailman
 handles
  the add and removing of addresses to a list and creates an alias for each
  list, my java program could be tweaked to send mail to all alias rather
 than
  a set of email addresses (as it does now).
 
 
 Mailman does not create an alias per se. It does provide a list posting
 address and receives posts at that address and sends them to the list
 members.
 
 If the only purpose of your MySQL database is to provide a list of
 people/addresses to deliver to, you could use Mailman without
 modification and let it maintain it's own membership list and handle
 bounce processing and subscribe/unsubscribe, etc.
 
 See
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp
 for information about setting up announcement (one-way) lists.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Patrick Bogen wrote in response to Luke Shannon

This all sounds fine. It's trivially easy to add a list of email
addresses to a list (there's a textbox on the admin page that you dump
them into and click a button)


Or you can upload a file through the same mass subscribe interface or
use the command line bin/add_members tool.


Mass-adding the lists is a bit trickier, I think. However, if they're
all basically the same you can generate one configuration file sans
things like the list name, and then programmatically (e.g., with a
shell script, or whatever you prefer) generate all 90 (was it?) if
your lists. I'm not sure where/how to get this file except by (a)
adding a list using the normal method, and then (b) using config_list
-o file listname to dump its config. Someone else may know a
better way.


You can both add and configure the lists with a shell script or other
process that runs bin/newlist to create the lists and then
bin/config_list to configure them. Patrick's method for generating the
configuration file is probably the easiest.

 
1. Templates for messages are stored in
$prefix/mailman/templates/LANG -- The welcome message is
'subscribeack.txt' -- On my box templates is a symlink to
/etc/mailman, but YMMV.


See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.048.htp
for the recommended way to create customized templates that won't be
overwritten in an update.


2. The simplest way to accomlish this seems to be to (a) set
'default_member_moderation' to  1 in the config files as described
above, (b) set member_moderation_action to 2 (discard: e.g., don't
accept, and also don't tell the sender about it), (c) set
generic_nonmember_action to 3 (discard), and (d) add the sender
address for your java program to the 'accept_these_nonmembers' list.


As I mentioned previously, see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp
for information about setting up announcement lists. Most of this is
covered there in detail.

As for posting, the most secure way is to moderate everyone as covered
in the FAQ and then have the script add an Approved: header to it's
post. The script will need to have the list admin password available
for this, but that shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Luke Shannon wrote:

I would like Mailman to only handle subscribing and unsubscribing of users 
to our 90 lists which are stored in a mySQL DB. The existing program will 
continue send out the mails.

Can this easily be done with Mailman? Will I have to change our database of 
users to a different format?

There is a MySQL Mailman MemberAdaptor at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=839386group_id=103atid=300103
and an updated version os this at
http://trac.rezo.net/trac/rezo/browser/Mailman/.

This would probably allow you to do what you want, but as Brad
indicated in another reply, some kind of Customer Relations Manager
may be more appropriate for your application.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Brad Knowles]

At 3:05 PM + 2006-02-15, Luke Shannon wrote:

  I would like Mailman to only handle subscribing and unsubscribing of users
  to our 90 lists which are stored in a mySQL DB. The existing program will
  continue send out the mails.

  Can this easily be done with Mailman? Will I have to change our database of
  users to a different format?

Search the Mailman FAQ Wizard for CRM.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] no subject prefix

[Julien Francoz CoCoZ]

Julian Ohm wrote:

Hi

I'm using Mailman 2.1.6 and have a problem with the subject prefix. 
mailman doesent change the subject and i'm not able to fix that problem
I hope someone can help me.

system
suse linux 9.0
postfix 2.0.14
apache 2
  


I had the same problem a few months ago, it still doesn't work.
The prefix is not put in the subject, but it is put in the subject in 
archives.

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg32852.html
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Re: [Mailman-Users] no subject prefix

[Julian Ohm]

Julian Ohm wrote:

Hi

I'm using Mailman 2.1.6 and have a problem with the subject prefix. 
mailman doesent change the subject and i'm not able to fix that problem
I hope someone can help me.

system
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also the reply header is not cleared. I can do what i want. the mail 
reply is always to sender. not to list. It seems that some functions 
don't work as they should

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Re: [Mailman-Users] no subject prefix

[Tokio Kikuchi]

Julien Francoz CoCoZ wrote:

 Julian Ohm wrote:
 
 
Hi

I'm using Mailman 2.1.6 and have a problem with the subject prefix. 
mailman doesent change the subject and i'm not able to fix that problem
I hope someone can help me.

system
suse linux 9.0
postfix 2.0.14
apache 2
 

 
 
 I had the same problem a few months ago, it still doesn't work.
 The prefix is not put in the subject, but it is put in the subject in 
 archives.
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg32852.html

Strange.  At least the prefix '[dept-linux/pedago]' works at my test 
site.  What is your version of Python and what is your list language 
settings?

I may be able to look into the problem if you can send me the copy of 
original post message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] no subject prefix

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:42 AM +0200 2005-07-12, Julian Ohm wrote:

  also the reply header is not cleared. I can do what i want. the mail
  reply is always to sender. not to list. It seems that some functions
  don't work as they should

That sounds like a problem with your MUA, not Mailman.  Have you 
checked your Thunderbird settings?  Or are you using a different MUA 
for that stuff?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] no subject prefix

[Julian Ohm]

Brad Knowles wrote:

 At 9:42 AM +0200 2005-07-12, Julian Ohm wrote:

  also the reply header is not cleared. I can do what i want. the mail
  reply is always to sender. not to list. It seems that some functions
  don't work as they should


 That sounds like a problem with your MUA, not Mailman.  Have you 
 checked your Thunderbird settings?  Or are you using a different MUA 
 for that stuff?

I tried that with thunderbird and ms outlook. with both clients I have 
the same problems.




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Re: [Mailman-Users] no subject prefix

[Jim Tittsler]

On Jul 12, 2005, at 15:52, Julian Ohm wrote:

 I'm using Mailman 2.1.6 and have a problem with the subject prefix.
 mailman doesent change the subject and i'm not able to fix that  
 problem

Did you set DELIVERY_MODULE to 'Sendmail' in your mm_cfg.py (rather  
than the *strongly* recommended 'SMTPDirect')?  The Subject prefix is  
not added when using the 'Sendmail' module.

(As the header of Sendmail.py warns, that module is not intended for  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] no subject prefix

[Julian Ohm]

Jim Tittsler wrote:

 On Jul 12, 2005, at 15:52, Julian Ohm wrote:

 I'm using Mailman 2.1.6 and have a problem with the subject prefix.
 mailman doesent change the subject and i'm not able to fix that  problem


 Did you set DELIVERY_MODULE to 'Sendmail' in your mm_cfg.py (rather  
 than the *strongly* recommended 'SMTPDirect')?  The Subject prefix is  
 not added when using the 'Sendmail' module.

 (As the header of Sendmail.py warns, that module is not intended for  
 production use.)



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Re: [Mailman-Users] no subject prefix

[Jim Tittsler]

On Jul 12, 2005, at 18:43, Julian Ohm wrote:

 Jim Tittsler wrote:

 Did you set DELIVERY_MODULE to 'Sendmail' in your mm_cfg.py (rather
 than the *strongly* recommended 'SMTPDirect')?  The Subject prefix is
 not added when using the 'Sendmail' module.

Sorry, this is bogus.  (It is the msg_footer/header that are not  
added in the SMTPDirect case, so not relevant to your problems.)

The Reply-To: munging and the Subject: prefixing should both be  
happening in CookHeaders.  The subject prefixing is different based  
on the character set used for the list, but the reply-to munging  
isn't, so I can't think of a reason that fits both your symptoms.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] no subject prefix

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Hi,

 Strange.  At least the prefix '[dept-linux/pedago]' works at my test 
 site.  What is your version of Python and what is your list language 
 settings?

 I may be able to look into the problem if you can send me the copy of 
 original post message.

 I don't have access to the server for now on order to know the exact 
 version.
 It is on a MacOsX server 10.0.4 (postfix) (default mailman 
 installation), all lists are in French, they are all working well, 
 except one list for which the subject prefix is not used. All mails to 
 this list are deliver without prefix, but are in pipermail with the prefix.
 
There is one point in the CookHeader.py where we abort prefixing:
 try:
 prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata)
 except (UnicodeError, ValueError):
 # TK: Sometimes subject header is not MIME encoded for 8bit
 # simply abort prefixing.
 pass
This means your clients should be MIME compliant if they want to get 
full service from Mailman. :-(
But, in this case, no prefix should appear in the pipermail archive.

I may be able to subscribe to your list and get some mail and browse the 
archive if your list policy accepts.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Poster]

William Wood said:
 mailman setup and working with postfix just fine, except for the
 archives..!?!
 I get a 404 error for the archives. anyone with any ideas?

Well it sounds to me like the archives don't exist. Are you sure that
you have Mailman creating them? If they do exist (just not in the
right location), then that's really weird. I had all kinds of trials
and travails setting up Mailman, but when I created a list and chose
to have it archived, everything was up and running without a hitch.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Modifiy Subject

[Jim Tittsler]

On Apr 16, 2005, at 03:25, Jess Mooers wrote:
I have a list called New_Listing and it is for a client of mine called 
CIREX.  I have modified the Prefix for subject line of list 
postings. to prepend [CIREX] to the subject.  However, I have noticed 
that the [CIREX] is not prepended for the Welcome message or any 
subscription messages for that matter.

I have already created a list language template folder and am 
successfully altering the stock messages for the list, but I can't 
seem to handle the Subjects.
You'll have to modify the code (look at Mailman/Deliverer.py's 
SendSubscribeAck().  It crafts the message, and while it includes the 
list's name, it doesn't do it with the [] prefix notation.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Preinstalled subject

[Mark Sapiro]

Don wrote:

Id like to have someone click a link to send an email (that has a 
specific topic) and have the email program insert the subject directly 
into the subject line of the email as it also inserts the send to email 
address for that list.

I'm sure there must be a way to do that directly through the html?  If it 
works, it will stop a LOT of frustrations about subject line spelling 
errors.

What would the syntax be?

a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] desired subject
Link text/a

As a related item, does the subject line get checked (counted by the 
software) when topics check mail content to decide which subscribers get 
a given 'topics enabled' mail?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Jean-François Roberge wrote:

To whom it may concern
I'm at the time to develop my own web site.  In my control panel provided by
my hosting company, i see the mailling list option and they told me that
mailman is the supplier of this mailing list.

Would that be cPanel? If so, or even if not, see article 6.11 in the
Mailman FAQ (link below)

I would have some questions as am not used to web site  language.
1- Is a mailling is a list where i can put my self the adresses in and i can
send email to multiple adresses and the receivers  will see only his name or
the name of the mailling list instead  of all the adresses?

Yes.


2- Is a mailling list is a list built by registration on my web page on a
page identified to join the mailling by  filling this?


It can be.


3- Is there a script to install orjust by creating the mailling every thing
is all ready and  all i need is to put the subscribing page on my site?


That depends on what is available from your provider. Most likely, you
will need to create the list and set some options via the web
interface.


4- HOw do you i put the subscribing page in my site?


See FAQ article 4.33

You may also be interested in article 3.11 and others. I suggest at a
minimum, you scan the entire FAQ index.


Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py


Also, see the documentation at http://www.list.org/admins.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Stephanie]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:45:25 -0500, Jean-François Roberge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 3- Is there a script to install orjust by creating the mailling every thing
 is all ready and  all i need is to put the subscribing page on my site?
 4- HOw do you i put the subscribing page in my site?

If, as Mark suspects, you're using cPanel, then all you do is create
the mailing list in your control panel and then you'll see an Edit
link which will take you to the admin interface for your list and
there will be a link to the list home page, that's what you put a link
to on your website - like to join my mailing list, go here type of
thing.

One thing to keep in mind tho is that this list is mainly for server
admins involved with the actual installation and maintenance of
Mailman at the server level.  Your hosting company most likely takes
care of that for you and unless you have root access to the server,
you'll mainly be interested in how the list admin interface works
which is covered pretty well in the FAQ and of course, you can access
additional questions here.

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something brief about your question, like New to Mailman or How do
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Long subject lines get extra padding from mailman

[Mark Sapiro]

Miles Waller wrote:

I have verified this problem in mailman versions 2.1.2 and 2.1.5.  The 
problem seems to be that the second and subsequent lines of a long 
header are indented when they are folded onto new lines.  From my basic 
testing, the isseu seems to be related to the presence of the indents, 
rather than the actual line breaks.

The impact is that several mail clients (tested thunderbird 0.9, outlook 
express 5.5, outlook 2000) try faithfully to display all the extra 
spaces between words, causing a gap to appear in the subject line which 
can be quite noticeable in certain circumstances.

I wouldn't rely on lookout - er outlook or outlook express to provide
an example of correct behavior in am MUA.

Here is a sample of the headers:

some snips 
Subject: This is a really long subject line. The quick brown fox jumped
   over the lazy dog, but the dog wasn't so lazy after all! The fox had 
 roused
   a sleeping giant, so to speak, and that dog jumped right up and bit him 
 on
   the behind! Not quick enough, Mr Fox!
X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
more snips

Is this a bug in mailman, or is it something in the list settings that I can 
change?
Has anyone else had this problem, and how have they worked round it?

Actually, the indents are a single horizontal-tab character. The
process of folding and unfolding long headers is described in RFC
2822, sec 2.2.3
(http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2822.html#sec-2.2.3).
The standard suggests that folding SHOULD be done at higher level
syntactic breaks, but there are no such things in Subject: headers.

I think it is actually wrong of Mailman to effectively change a space
to a tab when it folds a Subject: header, so in that sense this is a
bug, but that said, different MUAs will react differently to this.
Many will still unfold in the RFC 822 way which drops the CRLF and the
following white space character which results in words being run
together at the folds. Others will just drop the CRLF which is the RFC
2822 way and effectively results here in a space being replaced by
tab.

Everyone has the problem. I think most people just ignore it. The bug
has been reported -
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=736559group_id=103atid=100103

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Brent Shafer wrote:

I'm almost there!!!  My Mailman server is sending out confirmation 
emails, but the reply address is being bounced by my SMTP server.  I'm 
assuming that the alias list that was generated when I first created 
the Mailman list needs to be installed, but I'm not sure where to paste 
that information.  Any help would be greatly appreciated...  the error 
email I'm getting back is pasted below.


It appears from the bounce message you included that your MTA is
Sendmail. Read the README.SENDMAIL document in the top level directory
of the source distribution.

Also visit the FAQ wizard -

Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

and read articles 1.7, 3.14 and 4.49.

Also, please read article 1.22.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Mark Sapiro]

Michael Schmidt wrote:

i have some trouble to setup mailman on my server. My Server is from german
hoster Strato and is running with Suse Linux, Postfix and Apache. I have
installed the mailman software, and i can also setup the first maillist
mailman. The only error i get is, when i want to use the web-interface. The
server returns an internal server error and the error-log said:

 Nov  1 10:06:21 2004] [error] [client 217.235.33.211] Premature end of script
headers: /srv/www/htdocs/web6/html/cgi-bin/create

I can't fix this problem. Can anybody help me, or have anybody experience with
configuration mailman on Strato Highend Server?

Have you read section 4 of the INSTALL document?

Do you have the appropriate

  ScriptAlias   /mailman/   $prefix/cgi-bin/

in your Apache configuration? ($prefix is the path to your mailman
installation).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Brad Knowles]

At 7:14 PM -0500 2004-07-16, Pat Riehecky wrote:
 I was wondering if anyone knew a way to send an invitation email to an
 address using only an email program?  I would like to be able to send an
 email to one of the program's addresses so that it invites a user to join
 the list.  I was thinking that there should be a way to email
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the list password and some how tell it to
 invite [EMAIL PROTECTED]
See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.004.htp.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Pat Riehecky]

I am not exactly sure how this faq applies, I should have been clearer
in my request I can email the list easily enough, what I am looking
for is a way to modify subscriptions to the list (either add or remove
users) from an email only interface.  For example, listproc has a command
you can email it to allow a user to be subscribed, and another command to
unsubscribe users as the list admin, not just as the user who wants
on/off.  I believe majordomo has one as well (I haven't ever used it, but
since it is email/commandline only it probably should).
I would like to be able to make many subscription changes via the email
interface as the list admin.

I was not clear enough in my previous email, I should have thought through
it more before sending it.  I hope this is clearer.
pat

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thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many ways will
convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading.
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Brad Knowles wrote:

 At 7:14 PM -0500 2004-07-16, Pat Riehecky wrote:

   I was wondering if anyone knew a way to send an invitation email to an
   address using only an email program?  I would like to be able to send an
   email to one of the program's addresses so that it invites a user to join
   the list.  I was thinking that there should be a way to email
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the list password and some how tell it to
   invite [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.004.htp.


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RE: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[R. Anthony Mills]

The way I've done it is to have the person send an email to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Place subscribe in the subject line.

If the admin is doing the subscribing or unsubscribing, the Mailman
list manager help commands allow you to get information about and
control your subscription to Mailman lists at this site.  A command can
be in the subject line or in the body of the message.

About the descriptions - words in s signify REQUIRED items and words
in [] denote OPTIONAL items.  Do not include the s or []s when
you use the commands.

subscribe [password] [digest|nodigest] [address=address]
Subscribe to this mailing list.  Your password must be given to
unsubscribe or change your options, but if you omit the
password, one
will be generated for you.  You may be periodically reminded of
your
password.

The next argument may be either: `nodigest' or `digest' (no
quotes!).
If you wish to subscribe an address other than the address you
sent
this request from, you may specify `address=address' (no
brackets
around the email address, and no quotes!)

unsubscribe [password] [address=address]
Unsubscribe from the mailing list.  If given, your password must
match
your current password.  If omitted, a confirmation email will be
sent
to the unsubscribing address. If you wish to unsubscribe an
address
other than the address you sent this request from, you may
specify
`address=address' (no brackets around the email address, and
no
quotes!)

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tell their children that you not only stood
for something wonderful-you acted on it.

-Original Message-
From: Pat Riehecky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:37 PM
To: Brad Knowles
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


I am not exactly sure how this faq applies, I should have been clearer
in my request I can email the list easily enough, what I am looking
for is a way to modify subscriptions to the list (either add or remove
users) from an email only interface.  For example, listproc has a
command you can email it to allow a user to be subscribed, and another
command to unsubscribe users as the list admin, not just as the user who
wants on/off.  I believe majordomo has one as well (I haven't ever used
it, but since it is email/commandline only it probably should). I would
like to be able to make many subscription changes via the email
interface as the list admin.

I was not clear enough in my previous email, I should have thought
through it more before sending it.  I hope this is clearer. pat


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lines correspond, then, with the last lines and together they form an
envelope, thus indicating in an external way what interal proofs in many
ways will convince you of, that this is a letter you are reading.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Brad Knowles]

At 4:15 PM +0500 2004/05/28, mehmood hasan wrote:
 KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found
	If you search the archives for this string, you quickly come up 
with 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-June/029911.html.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:20 PM -0400 2004/05/27, PC Specialties Inc wrote:
 Has anyone thought of numbering the attachments so they match the 
topic list ?
In what way?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Richard Barrett]

On 16 May 2004, at 11:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
My question is, how mailman work´s? When i send a mail to the list - 
how
many email´s are sent form the list to the receipt´s?
For example: 100 list members - is there sent one email to all 
members or
an email to every member?

Referring to Mailman 2.1.x.
If the list is set send personalized mail then a separate message is 
sent out (passed to the outgoing MTA) for each subscriber, for each 
posting to the list.

If list is not set to send personalized mail then the same message goes 
to each subscriber (assuming you are using the default SMTPDirect mail 
transport) but the number of SMTP transactions to pass a given message 
to the outgoing MTA will depend on the number of members and the value 
of Mailman's SMTP_MAX_RCPTS configuration variable (normal install 
default is 500): check in Defaults.py for more info, assign a different 
value to it in mm_cfg.py if you need to.

i hope everybody understand my question because my english is not very 
good.

Better than my German
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[Jim Tittsler]

On May 8, 2004, at 17:41, Sean Carnahan wrote:
Is there a way to mass remove members that are flagged as excessive 
bounces?
You can get a list of members whose subscriptions to 'mylist' have been 
disabled by bounces using
  'bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce mylist'
and you can unsubscribe members using bin/remove_members.

$ bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce mylist | bin/remove_members -n -N 
-f - mylist

(Check the options for remove_members.  You may want to use --fromall 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[LuKreme]

On Apr 10, 2004, at 3:19 PM, Dave C. wrote:
# better tools for the membership management page. i.e. divide chunks
  alphabetically, and add a search for member by regexp field. (Done)
While this is fantastic to have be what is displayed by detault, what
seems to have been forgotten, is:
Provide a link or button to request that the full member roster be
displayed on one page, regardless of the number of members
At least, I cant seem to find a way to do it.
If you find a way, let me know

It might also be better to provide an option to divide the list into
chunks, but not have a seperate page for each letter/character.
Chunks of 100 would be infinitely more useful than chunks by initial 
letter.

2  members starting with a
5  members starting with b
10 members starting with c
6  members starting with d
12 members starting with e
4  members starting with f
6  members starting with g
10 ...   h
Having to display each of those on a seperate page is tedious to work
with in the UI.
Instead, on the a page, display the 2 a's, the 5 b's, the 10 c's, the
6 d's, and the first 7 e's.
The 'e' page, would display, all 12 e's,
I would argue that.  Having the same emails adispalyed on successive 
pages would be confusing.

Page 1: A-d
page 2: e-g
page 4: h...
wopuld be a better way to go in this regard, or else simply cut at 30 
per page with no overlaps.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[texas critter]

LuKreme wrote:

 Chunks of 100 would be infinitely more useful than chunks by
 initial letter.

It's in the FAQ:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.030.htp

You must have root access to the server to do this. This also appears to
only apply to new lists, for existing lists, I've had to edit the config
for each list to change it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

[LuKreme]

On Apr 11, 2004, at 12:25 PM, texas critter wrote:
LuKreme wrote:

Chunks of 100 would be infinitely more useful than chunks by
initial letter.
It's in the FAQ:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.030.htp
You must have root access to the server to do this. This also appears 
to
only apply to new lists, for existing lists, I've had to edit the 
config
for each list to change it.
Well, the default is 30 and mm does NOT show 30 on every single page.  
It shows 30 on a particualr letter page.  That is to say:

a = 45 subs
b = 18 subs
c = 31 subs
x =  4 subs
a will yield two pages (30 and 15 each)
b will have one page
etc. etc.

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