Re: [MlMt] MM keeps demanding passwords
Randall, Is Benny aware of this? I don't know. But it has certainly been mentioned on this list several times through the years by other users. It's never really bothered me enough to file a bug report ... Cheers Ian ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] "Date Received" column width
Randall, Setting the column width in the section of each group (example “Sent Items”) sticks it in All the sub-set items in my Test Build version r5874+. Maybe try that. Also the relative position of the column is likewise set for all other members. Not sure what the intent was originally. Respectfully, Henry Seiden Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 8 Mar 2022, at 22:06, Randall Gellens wrote: The column width of "Date Received" keeps shrinking back to its default, which isn't wide enough to display some times, so it just shows the date. I manually enlarge it, but then at some point it's shrunk back again. Is there a way to get it to stick, or better, to have it automatically adjust? It would also be nice to display just the time for messages received today. --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] "Date Received" column width
The column width of "Date Received" keeps shrinking back to its default, which isn't wide enough to display some times, so it just shows the date. I manually enlarge it, but then at some point it's shrunk back again. Is there a way to get it to stick, or better, to have it automatically adjust? It would also be nice to display just the time for messages received today. --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MM keeps demanding passwords
On 8 Mar 2022, at 8:54, Randall Gellens wrote: I just changed the setting on the Login keychain, Hopefully that fixes it. I'm happy to report that this does seem to have fixed it. I turned off "Lock keychain on sleep." (Although, from a security point of view, I'd want the keychain locked on sleep but automatically unlocked on authenticated wake, but there doesn't seem to be a way to do that.) On 8 Mar 2022, at 9:24, i...@techworkspro.com wrote: Randall, Some accounts need App-Specific passwords to be used in MM. Could this be your problem? Specifically when i migrated from Apple Mail, iCloud needed those to both log in and send email. It is mentioned in the help guide and other docs. Some others like Google and Yahoo! send you to a website when relocating your mail client. Kinda the same steps to validate clients. Thanks for the idea, Henry; in my case it was just normal IMAP accounts. The problem seems to be that the Keychain was getting locked when the machine went to sleep, and then MailMate got an error which it interpreted as the item being absent rather than the keychain being locked. On 8 Mar 2022, at 9:46, Ian Petersen wrote: Randall, it pops up a dialog demanding the password for various accounts, claiming the password isn't in the keychain, which it is. I open Keychain Utility, copy the password to the clipboard, paste it into the box, and MM is happy for a while. Very annoying. My Mailmate has done that for years through several OS versions and myriad MM versions. It happens a couple of times a month for me. I just shut down MM for an hour or so and it seems to be fine again. You don't even need to add the password again because it's already there. I think it's a glitch between MM and Keychain ... It sounds like there may be some issues here. Is Benny aware of this? On 8 Mar 2022, at 9:49, Alexandre Takacs wrote: A bit tangential to the topic but still of interest (I think) is that if for whatever reason you missed your initial user / pass combination when setting up you account (especially with OAUTH) MM will have all kinds of issues with your account in the future, even if correct credentials are latter submitted. You’d rather want to redo it from scratch. That sounds unpleasant. I hope Benny has some idea of what's going on. --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MM keeps demanding passwords
A bit tangential to the topic but still of interest (I think) is that if for whatever reason you missed your initial user / pass combination when setting up you account (especially with OAUTH) MM will have all kinds of issues with your account in the future, even if correct credentials are latter submitted. You’d rather want to redo it from scratch. Just my 2c___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MM keeps demanding passwords
Randall, it pops up a dialog demanding the password for various accounts, claiming the password isn't in the keychain, which it is. I open Keychain Utility, copy the password to the clipboard, paste it into the box, and MM is happy for a while. Very annoying. My Mailmate has done that for years through several OS versions and myriad MM versions. It happens a couple of times a month for me. I just shut down MM for an hour or so and it seems to be fine again. You don't even need to add the password again because it's already there. I think it's a glitch between MM and Keychain ... Cheers Ian ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MM keeps demanding passwords
Randall, Some accounts need App-Specific passwords to be used in MM. Could this be your problem? Specifically when i migrated from Apple Mail, iCloud needed those to both log in and send email. It is mentioned in the help guide and other docs. Some others like Google and Yahoo! send you to a website when relocating your mail client. Kinda the same steps to validate clients. HIH, Henry - - Please excuse the tttapping errors... Sent from my iPhone C/T (954) 253-4125 Henry M. Seiden Techworks Pro > On Mar 8, 2022, at 11:55, Randall Gellens wrote: > > I just changed the setting on the Login keychain, Hopefully that fixes it. > > --Randall > >> On 8 Mar 2022, at 7:50, Randall Gellens wrote: >> >> I migrated from my long-time High Sierra laptop to a new one (currently >> running Big Sur as I had some problems with Monterey). Mailmate moved over >> mostly fine, but when the laptop has been idle for a while, or just when MM >> feels like it, it pops up a dialog demanding the password for various >> accounts, claiming the password isn't in the keychain, which it is. I open >> Keychain Utility, copy the password to the clipboard, paste it into the box, >> and MM is happy for a while. Very annoying. >> >> I upgraded yesterday to 5852 but no difference. >> >> --Randall >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MM keeps demanding passwords
I just changed the setting on the Login keychain, Hopefully that fixes it. --Randall On 8 Mar 2022, at 7:50, Randall Gellens wrote: I migrated from my long-time High Sierra laptop to a new one (currently running Big Sur as I had some problems with Monterey). Mailmate moved over mostly fine, but when the laptop has been idle for a while, or just when MM feels like it, it pops up a dialog demanding the password for various accounts, claiming the password isn't in the keychain, which it is. I open Keychain Utility, copy the password to the clipboard, paste it into the box, and MM is happy for a while. Very annoying. I upgraded yesterday to 5852 but no difference. --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Office365 SMTP / OAuth2
Hello, Thanks for your comments! > That being said it would seem that your account is not authorised -at all- > for SMTP sending, as per > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/clients-and-mobile-in-exchange-online/authenticated-client-smtp-submission I have been speculating (maybe better: hoping) that since this is specified on an organization-wide basis that overriding the Tenant ID (as per instructions from my employer) might do the trick here. I've not found a way to do this in MailMate, though. Cheers, John On 6 Mar 2022, at 17:03, Alexandre Takacs wrote: > I am also having various issues with MM & SMTP… > > I eventually managed to make it work by _not_ using OAUTH2, which is > supported but not a 365 default. It would have admin right on your tenant it > is pretty simple to change. > > That being said it would seem that your account is not authorised -at all- > for SMTP sending, as per > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/clients-and-mobile-in-exchange-online/authenticated-client-smtp-submission > > > > > On 6 Mar 2022, at 12:41, John Swinbank wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm trying to use MailMate r5875 with Office365 using OAuth2 to authenticate >> for both IMAP and SMTP. >> >> IMAP works fine. When I use SMTP, the server refuses MailMate's attempt to >> authenticate as follows: >> >> 11:17:22 Retrieving password (keychain or user request) >> 11:17:22 C: AUTH XOAUTH2 •• >> 11:17:27 S: 535 5.7.139 Authentication unsuccessful, >> SmtpClientAuthentication is disabled for the Tenant. Visit >> https://aka.ms/smtp_auth_disabled for more information. >> [AM4PR0701CA0035.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com] >> 11:17:27 Error: Unexpected return code 535 (expected 235): “5.7.139 >> Authentication unsuccessful, SmtpClientAuthentication is disabled for the >> Tenant. Visit https://aka.ms/smtp_auth_disabled for more information. >> [AM4PR0701CA0035.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com]”. >> 11:17:27 Error code: 2000 >> >> (There's a full log of the session at the bottom of this mail in case that's >> helpful). >> >> My employer has provided special instructions for configuring Evolution on >> Linux to work with our Office365 system. These include overriding the Tenant >> and Application ID settings — there's an example of what that looks like at >> https://urchin.earth.li/~jds/evolution-oauth2.png. Perhaps something similar >> is necessary in MailMate - is that possible? >> >> Any ideas or suggestions much appreciated! >> >> Cheers, >> >> John >> >> >> >> 11:17:21 Handling request >> 11:17:21 Ready to run action (type: 0, retry count: 0) >> 11:17:21 Clearing connection to smtp.office365.com >> 11:17:21 Trying to connect to smtp.office365.com on port 587 (CFNetwork) >> with STARTTLS (required) >> 11:17:22 Resolved hostname (smtp.office365.com). >> 11:17:22 Successful connection. >> 11:17:22 Ready for reading. >> 11:17:22 S: 220 AM4PR0701CA0035.outlook.office365.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL >> Service ready at Sun, 6 Mar 2022 11:17:21 + >> 11:17:22 C: EHLO [192.168.1.106] >> 11:17:22 S: 250-AM4PR0701CA0035.outlook.office365.com Hello [87.210.54.76] >> 11:17:22 S: 250-SIZE 157286400 >> 11:17:22 S: 250-PIPELINING >> 11:17:22 S: 250-DSN >> 11:17:22 S: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES >> 11:17:22 S: 250-STARTTLS >> 11:17:22 S: 250-8BITMIME >> 11:17:22 S: 250-BINARYMIME >> 11:17:22 S: 250-CHUNKING >> 11:17:22 S: 250 SMTPUTF8 >> 11:17:22 C: STARTTLS >> 11:17:22 S: 220 2.0.0 SMTP server ready >> 11:17:22 Initiating secure connection... >> 11:17:22 Prepare secure connection... >> 11:17:22 Returned (4)... >> 11:17:22 Protocol version: kTLSProtocol12 >> 11:17:22 C: EHLO [192.168.1.106] >> 11:17:22 S: 250-AM4PR0701CA0035.outlook.office365.com Hello [87.210.54.76] >> 11:17:22 S: 250-SIZE 157286400 >> 11:17:22 S: 250-PIPELINING >> 11:17:22 S: 250-DSN >> 11:17:22 S: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES >> 11:17:22 S: 250-AUTH LOGIN XOAUTH2 >> 11:17:22 S: 250-8BITMIME >> 11:17:22 S: 250-BINARYMIME >> 11:17:22 S: 250-CHUNKING >> 11:17:22 S: 250 SMTPUTF8 >> 11:17:22 Retrieving password (keychain or user request) >> 11:17:22 C: AUTH XOAUTH2 •• >> 11:17:27 S: 535 5.7.139 Authentication unsuccessful, >> SmtpClientAuthentication is disabled for the Tenant. Visit >> https://aka.ms/smtp_auth_disabled for more information. >> [AM4PR0701CA0035.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com] >> 11:17:27 Error: Unexpected return code 535 (expected 235): >> “5.7.139 Authentication unsuccessful, SmtpClientAuthentication is disabled >> for the Tenant. Visit https://aka.ms/smtp_auth_disabled for more >> information. [AM4PR0701CA0035.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com]”. >> 11:17:27 Error code: 2000 >> 11:17:27 Failed action (0). Reset observed read/write timeouts: 8/8 >> 11:17:27 Handling reply >> 11:17:57 Handling request >> 11:17:57 C: QUIT >> 11:17:57 S: 221 2.0.0 Service closing transmission channel >> 11:17:57 Clearing connection to smtp.office365.com >> 11:17:57 Ready to run action (type: 3, retry count: 0) >> 11:17:57 Clearing
[MlMt] MM keeps demanding passwords
I migrated from my long-time High Sierra laptop to a new one (currently running Big Sur as I had some problems with Monterey). Mailmate moved over mostly fine, but when the laptop has been idle for a while, or just when MM feels like it, it pops up a dialog demanding the password for various accounts, claiming the password isn't in the keychain, which it is. I open Keychain Utility, copy the password to the clipboard, paste it into the box, and MM is happy for a while. Very annoying. I upgraded yesterday to 5852 but no difference. --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
