Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Charlie Clark]

On 5 Apr 2023, at 22:39, Ken Pope wrote:

Looking forward (sort of).  Had done a lot of searching to find a 
company that was significantly cheaper than the wonderful Liquid Web 
(I hate leaving them—they’re terrific) and Go Daddy seemed the 
best of the very, very, very cheap companies that provide a 
fully-managed dedicated server for 4 websites and my high-volume mail 
accounts.


I'm slightly curious as to why you think you need fully-managed but 
dedicated servers just for websites and e-mail. Dedicated servers are 
normally for those of us who are happy to do at least some sysadmin 
work, or who need special software installing. Even then, it's very 
common to offload things like e-mail to external servers. E-mail isn't 
very resource or storage intensive, but running mail servers does now 
require fairly specialised knowledge and regular updates.


So, what do you need the dedicated servers for? Are you using 
specialised software on the websites? And what are your total e-mail 
storage requirements?


Finally, you must also consider that there **is** a minimum cost for 
doing business. If you can't afford this then it might be time to get 
out. Going with a provider just because they're cheap can quickly end up 
being quite expensive.


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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Dan Pritts]

Another vote for fastmail. I won't argue whether you or not you need a 
"dedicated server" for your mail - but I will say that fastmail does a lot of 
mail for a lot of people.

I use Gandi.net for DNS domain registry and name service.  They are definitely 
not the cheapest but I'm a big fan of their motto:  "no bullshit". 

I believe they do web hosting, and maybe email, as well as DNS.  I haven't 
really flexed their service with my little domain, but I've heard great things 
about them in general.

They are a French company, which is a plus IMO because GDPR.  

Good luck!


> On Apr 6, 2023, at 3:26 PM, Ken Pope  wrote:
> 
> Absolutely! Thanks for the various possible hosts.
> 
> It’ll take me some time to research each of them to try to find one that 
> provides what I need and does it for around Go Daddy prices. If it looks like 
> any switch to a fully managed dedicated server at that kind of bargain 
> basement price is too risky or clearly disastrous, I’ll have to create some 
> sort of Plan B to fit my incredible shrinking budget…which will pose a 
> challenge. :)
> 
> Thanks again to all for your help.
> 
> Ken
> 
> On 6 Apr 2023, at 12:50, Andrew Buc wrote:
> 
> Please let us know whom you end up with and how you like them.
> 
> On 5 Apr 2023, at 13:39, Ken Pope wrote:
> 
> Looking forward (sort of). Had done a lot of searching to find a company that 
> was significantly cheaper than the wonderful Liquid Web (I hate leaving 
> them—they’re terrific) and Go Daddy seemed the best of the very, very, very 
> cheap companies that provide a fully-managed dedicated server for 4 websites 
> and my high-volume mail accounts.
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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Ken Pope]

Absolutely!  Thanks for the various possible hosts.

It’ll take me some time to research each of them to try to find one 
that provides what I need *and* does it for around Go Daddy prices. If 
it looks like any switch to a fully managed dedicated server at that 
kind of bargain basement price is too risky or clearly disastrous, 
I’ll have to create some sort of Plan B to fit my incredible shrinking 
budget…which will pose a challenge.  :)


Thanks again to all for your help.

Ken

On 6 Apr 2023, at 12:50, Andrew Buc wrote:


Please let us know whom you end up with and how you like them.

On 5 Apr 2023, at 13:39, Ken Pope wrote:

Looking forward (sort of).  Had done a lot of searching to find a 
company that was significantly cheaper than the wonderful Liquid Web 
(I hate leaving them—they’re terrific) and Go Daddy seemed the 
best of the very, very, very cheap companies that provide a 
fully-managed dedicated server for 4 websites and my high-volume mail 
accounts.

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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Andrew Buc]

Please let us know whom you end up with and how you like them.

On 5 Apr 2023, at 13:39, Ken Pope wrote:

Looking forward (sort of).  Had done a lot of searching to find a 
company that was significantly cheaper than the wonderful Liquid Web 
(I hate leaving them—they’re terrific) and Go Daddy seemed the 
best of the very, very, very cheap companies that provide a 
fully-managed dedicated server for 4 websites and my high-volume mail 
accounts.

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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Maurice A. mines]

This  service is  vary  bad  for  the  blind and  I advise  blind friends  and 
others  to  stay  away  from  Godaddy. 
 Sent from  my Mac Book Pro.
Maurice Mines
text number, 661-868-9647.
Fax number 661-449-3746.
Amateur radio call sign, kd0iko.
First vice  president  National Federation of the Blind of California deaf 
blind division.
VP National Federation of the Blind of California Bakersfield chapter.


> On Apr 6, 2023, at 03:19, Andrew Buc  wrote:
> 
> On 5 Apr 2023, at 13:39, Ken Pope wrote:
> 
>> Looking forward (sort of).  Had done a lot of searching to find a company 
>> that was significantly cheaper than the wonderful Liquid Web (I hate leaving 
>> them—they’re terrific) and Go Daddy seemed the best of the very, very, very 
>> cheap companies that provide a fully-managed dedicated server for 4 websites 
>> and my high-volume mail accounts.
>> 
>> If your report, Andrew, makes it seem a suicidal choice to go with Go Daddy, 
>> I’d appreciate recommendations from anyone on this list for a very (plus two 
>> more veries) cheap company providing a fully-managed (by them, not me) 
>> DEDICATED server.
> 
> My response to David Ledger a few minutes ago explains why I became 
> disenchanted with GoDaddy. As I said, I went with Pair Domains and found the 
> cost to be reasonable, but I have only a domain, 2 email addresses, and 
> forwards from those addresses. I don’t know what they’d charge for what you 
> need, but you could ask. A friend has had his blog with Pair Domains for 23 
> years with no complaints.
> 
> Randy Singer at Groups.io Macsupportcentral now has his website with ICDSoft 
> and had this to say:
> 
> ICDSoft, in addition to having great prices, great support, no downtime, 
> etc., only charges me $8.38 to renew my domain name each time!
> 
> ICDSoft
> http://icdsoft.com/
> http://www2.icdsoft.com/hosting/usa
> 
> — end quote
> 
> However, ICDSoft has no phone support, only support via a dedicated web 
> portal. Randy says he’s always gotten a response within 10 minutes no matter 
> what time it was.
> 
> Other domain registrars of which people spoke well:
> inMotion Hosting
> A Small Orange
> https://asmallorange.com/
> Just Host
> http://www.justhost.com/
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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Andrew Buc]

On 5 Apr 2023, at 13:39, Ken Pope wrote:

Looking forward (sort of).  Had done a lot of searching to find a 
company that was significantly cheaper than the wonderful Liquid Web 
(I hate leaving them—they’re terrific) and Go Daddy seemed the 
best of the very, very, very cheap companies that provide a 
fully-managed dedicated server for 4 websites and my high-volume mail 
accounts.


If your report, Andrew, makes it seem a suicidal choice to go with Go 
Daddy, I’d appreciate recommendations from anyone on this list for a 
very (plus two more veries) cheap company providing a fully-managed 
(by them, not me) DEDICATED server.


My response to David Ledger a few minutes ago explains why I became 
disenchanted with GoDaddy. As I said, I went with Pair Domains and found 
the cost to be reasonable, but I have only a domain, 2 email addresses, 
and forwards from those addresses. I don’t know what they’d charge 
for what you need, but you could ask. A friend has had his blog with 
Pair Domains for 23 years with no complaints.


Randy Singer at Groups.io Macsupportcentral now has his website with 
ICDSoft and had this to say:


ICDSoft, in addition to having great prices, great support, no downtime, 
etc., only charges me $8.38 to renew my domain name each time!


ICDSoft
http://icdsoft.com/
http://www2.icdsoft.com/hosting/usa

— end quote

However, ICDSoft has no phone support, only support via a dedicated web 
portal. Randy says he’s always gotten a response within 10 minutes no 
matter what time it was.


Other domain registrars of which people spoke well:
inMotion Hosting
A Small Orange
https://asmallorange.com/
Just Host
http://www.justhost.com/

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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Andrew Buc]

On 5 Apr 2023, at 15:14, David Ledger wrote:


On 4/5/23 21:00, Andrew Buc wrote:
I strongly recommend against GoDaddy. Details this evening Pacific 
time--I'm coming up on the end of my lunch hour.



I too have concerns about GoDaddy.

I just keep domain registrations with them, nothing else.


For quite a few years I’ve had my own domain with email forwarding to 
my actual mailbox at fastmail.fm. I started out with the domain 
staxman.net, a tip of the hat to Stax Records of Memphis, the label of 
Otis Redding, Sam & Dave, Booker T. & the MGs, but that’s another 
discussion. I set up 2 email addresses with forwards, a dedicated 
address for job-hunting and a general address for everything else.


Ca. 2008 I read _Job Searching with Social Media For Dummies_ by Joshua 
Waldman. Waldman recommends incorporating your name into your personal 
domain and using that domain for your email email address, so I 
registered the andrewbuc.com domain with GoDaddy, again with 2 email 
addresses and forwards to fastmail.fm. I reached a point where I was no 
longer getting incoming mail at the staxman.net addresses, and I let the 
domain lapse this past February.


And then a friend called me saying his emails to me had started bouncing 
back. I called GoDaddy and didn’t like what I heard, to say the least. 
When they canceled the forwards from the staxman.net domain, they 
canceled the forwards from the andrewbuc.com domain also. Apparently 
they don’t offer email forwarding any more, and I had been able to 
keep my forwards because they’d been grandfathered. No, they 
couldn’t restore the forwards. If I’d known this would happen, I 
could have arranged a soft landing. I asked my correspondents to email 
me directly at my fastmail.fm address for the time being. I don’t 
think I lost any mission-critical incoming emails, knock wood. The lady 
at GoDaddy said I could set up a mailbox with GoDaddy, but I certainly 
wasn’t going to reward them for giving me the shaft!


Randy Singer, who’s the reigning expert at Groups.io 
Macsupportcentral, said that some years ago GoDaddy had tried to sell 
his domain out from under him.


There had been a discussion of domain registrars a couple of years ago 
on Macsupportcentral, and this was one of the ones recommended:


https://www.pairdomains.com

I called them, explained what had happened with GoDaddy, confirmed that 
they wouldn’t yank my email forwards out from under me, and moved my 
domain to them. A customer service rep was able to walk me thru the 
process of setting up the forwards in 5 minutes.


If anyone shares my passion for classic ‘60s soul music, the 
staxman.net domain is now available.


I related that at least GoDaddy didn’t give me a hard time about 
transferring the domain away, and Randy said, “When I tried to get 
away from GoDaddy they threw up a bunch of roadblocks, and each one 
sounded like they had made up rules on the spot.”


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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[David Ledger]

On 4/5/23 21:00, Andrew Buc wrote:
I strongly recommend against GoDaddy. Details this evening Pacific 
time--I'm coming up on the end of my lunch hour.



I too have concerns about GoDaddy.

I just keep domain registrations with them, nothing else. Recently I've 
been unable to access my account because they reject my browser (Brave 
and Firefox) because they have ad blocking set. They only let you in if 
you turn off all your security. The only reason can be that they require 
me to let them and their 'associates' spam me.


David





- Original message -
From: Ken Pope mailto:k...@kenpope.com>>
To: mailmate@lists.freron.com 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my 
IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2023 12:20 PM

[snip]I’m making an unwanted (but necessary to cut expenses) move from 
the excellent Liquid Web to Go Daddy.[snip]




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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Ken Pope]

Looking forward (sort of).  Had done a lot of searching to find a 
company that was significantly cheaper than the wonderful Liquid Web (I 
hate leaving them—they’re terrific) and Go Daddy seemed the best of 
the very, very, very cheap companies that provide a fully-managed 
dedicated server for 4 websites and my high-volume mail accounts.


If your report, Andrew, makes it seem a suicidal choice to go with Go 
Daddy, I’d appreciate recommendations from anyone on this list for a 
very (plus two more veries) cheap company providing a fully-managed (by 
them, not me) DEDICATED server.


Again, thanks to the wisdom and generosity of this list.

Ken

On 5 Apr 2023, at 16:00, Andrew Buc wrote:

I strongly recommend against GoDaddy. Details this evening Pacific 
time--I'm coming up on the end of my lunch hour.


- Original message -
From: Ken Pope 
To: mailmate@lists.freron.com
Subject: Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will 
my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2023 12:20 PM

[snip]I’m making an unwanted (but necessary to cut expenses) move 
from the excellent Liquid Web to Go Daddy.[snip]



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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Andrew Buc]

I strongly recommend against GoDaddy. Details this evening Pacific time--I'm 
coming up on the end of my lunch hour.

- Original message -
From: Ken Pope 
To: mailmate@lists.freron.com
Subject: Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP 
mailboxes & their contents survive the move?
Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2023 12:20 PM

[snip]I’m making an unwanted (but necessary to cut expenses) move from the 
excellent Liquid Web to Go Daddy.[snip] 

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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Ken Pope]

Thanks so much to each of you—Bill, Antonio, Henry, Verdon, & 
Patrik—for your invaluable help.  I learned something from each of 
you.


I’m making an unwanted (but necessary to cut expenses) move from the 
excellent Liquid Web to Go Daddy.  Wish I were competent to do the move 
myself but a man’s gotta know his limitations, as Dirty Harry said, so 
I’m going to let Go Daddy move my websites & mail to a dedicated 
server that they’ll provide and manage.


I plan to look into Dovecot and imapsync after the move so that maybe 
next time I can do the move myself.


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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Patrik Fältström via mailmate]

I can also recommend imapsync, specifically regarding keeping ID's of messages 
in the way one wants (to minimise number of confused clients).



  Patrik

On 4 Apr 2023, at 23:09, Antonio Leding wrote:

> Adding onto what Bill said, I’ve done this numerous times using `doveadm` 
> (Dovecot IMAP backend).
>
> I didn’t see the OP mention what they use on the server but whatever it is, 
> one would think similar tools to `doveadm` would be available…
>
> - - -
>
> On 4 Apr 2023, at 14:02, Bill Cole wrote:
>
>> On 2023-04-04 at 16:20:21 UTC-0400 (Tue, 04 Apr 2023 16:20:21 -0400)
>> Ken Pope 
>> is rumored to have said:
>>
>>> My mail currently resides on a dedicated server managed by company X.  To 
>>> save money, I’m considering transferring my domains, mail, and websites 
>>> from X to a dedicated server managed by company Y.
>>>
>>> Will all the many, *many* IMAP mailboxes that MailMate has created for me 
>>> disappear in the move, or will they (if the move goes well) wind up on the 
>>> new server with their contents intact?
>>
>> If you do it right, you can move everything.
>>
>> Moving an email collection from one IMAP server to another can be as simple 
>> as dragging messages from one account to another in MM.
>>
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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Verdon Vaillancourt]

If it’s a cPanel to cPanel transfer, it should be pretty painless to you, and 
you also shouldn’t bounce any mail during the migration. Get someone with some 
experience to do the transfer for you.

> On Apr 4, 2023, at 4:20 PM, Ken Pope  wrote:
> 
> 
> My mail currently resides on a dedicated server managed by company X. To save 
> money, I’m considering transferring my domains, mail, and websites from X to 
> a dedicated server managed by company Y.
> 
> Will all the many, many IMAP mailboxes that MailMate has created for me 
> disappear in the move, or will they (if the move goes well) wind up on the 
> new server with their contents intact?
> 
> If it is likely that they and their contents (many emails in each) will 
> survive the transition, is there anything I should ask company Y to do or 
> avoid doing the increase the chances of a safe move?
> 
> Thanks—as always—for your help.
> 
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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Henry Seiden]

Ken,

Are you paying for migration from X to Y?

If it were me, I would do it myself and would make a full backup to your 
local drive of all emails and mailboxes regardless (because I don’t 
believe anyone else other than what I see AND secondly would not cancel 
X company server before you know that all mailboxes, contents and mail 
enclosures inside them are fully transferred (at least by a numeric 
count of the contents and random examinations) on Y’s Server.


Again, I would make someone pay for the overlap to complete this 
process, too, along with any other fixes for screwups.


Did I answer all?

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On 4 Apr 2023, at 16:20, Ken Pope wrote:

My mail currently resides on a dedicated server managed by company X.  
To save money, I’m considering transferring my domains, mail, and 
websites from X to a dedicated server managed by company Y.


Will all the many, *many* IMAP mailboxes that MailMate has created for 
me disappear in the move, or will they (if the move goes well) wind up 
on the new server with their contents intact?


If it is likely that they and their contents (many emails in each) 
will survive the transition, is there anything I should ask company Y 
to do or avoid doing the increase the chances of a safe move?


Thanks—as always—for your help.

Ken



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Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Antonio Leding]

Adding onto what Bill said, I’ve done this numerous times using 
`doveadm` (Dovecot IMAP backend).


I didn’t see the OP mention what they use on the server but whatever 
it is, one would think similar tools to `doveadm` would be available…


- - -

On 4 Apr 2023, at 14:02, Bill Cole wrote:


On 2023-04-04 at 16:20:21 UTC-0400 (Tue, 04 Apr 2023 16:20:21 -0400)
Ken Pope 
is rumored to have said:

My mail currently resides on a dedicated server managed by company X. 
 To save money, I’m considering transferring my domains, mail, and 
websites from X to a dedicated server managed by company Y.


Will all the many, *many* IMAP mailboxes that MailMate has created 
for me disappear in the move, or will they (if the move goes well) 
wind up on the new server with their contents intact?


If you do it right, you can move everything.

Moving an email collection from one IMAP server to another can be as 
simple as dragging messages from one account to another in MM.



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[Bill Cole]

On 2023-04-04 at 16:20:21 UTC-0400 (Tue, 04 Apr 2023 16:20:21 -0400)
Ken Pope 
is rumored to have said:

My mail currently resides on a dedicated server managed by company X.  
To save money, I’m considering transferring my domains, mail, and 
websites from X to a dedicated server managed by company Y.


Will all the many, *many* IMAP mailboxes that MailMate has created for 
me disappear in the move, or will they (if the move goes well) wind up 
on the new server with their contents intact?


If you do it right, you can move everything.

Moving an email collection from one IMAP server to another can be as 
simple as dragging messages from one account to another in MM.



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[MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?

[Ken Pope]

My mail currently resides on a dedicated server managed by company X.  
To save money, I’m considering transferring my domains, mail, and 
websites from X to a dedicated server managed by company Y.


Will all the many, *many* IMAP mailboxes that MailMate has created for 
me disappear in the move, or will they (if the move goes well) wind up 
on the new server with their contents intact?


If it is likely that they and their contents (many emails in each) will 
survive the transition, is there anything I should ask company Y to do 
or avoid doing the increase the chances of a safe move?


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