Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
On 28 Apr 2016, at 22:27, Adam Liter wrote: Thanks for sharing these layouts. They're great! However, one problem I noticed is that the MailMate dialogue about marking things as not junk and blocking external references does not come up when using any of these layouts. Any idea how to fix this? Never noticed that until you wrote about it! I fixed the issue and put the layouts up on github: https://github.com/fnurl/mailmatelayouts /jody ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
Thanks for sharing these layouts. They're great! However, one problem I noticed is that the MailMate dialogue about marking things as not junk and blocking external references does not come up when using any of these layouts. Any idea how to fix this? Here are screen shots that describe what I mean, which you can view on Dropbox: - Widescreen layout with blocked external references: https://www.dropbox.com/s/moneyjgh6drwylc/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-27%20at%206.54.29%20PM.png?dl=0 - Widescreen: Thread + Corr layout with missing blocked external references: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h6sqejg49j7zn5x/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-27%20at%206.54.35%20PM.png?dl=0 - Vertical: Thread + Corr layout with missing blocked external references: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ksr4akd5ei8kzxb/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-27%20at%206.56.40%20PM.png?dl=0 -Adam On 26 Apr 2016, at 23:33, Jody Foo wrote: The thread arc panel never really worked out for me as I found that they didn't provide me with any guidance on what would happen when I pressed each circle. Sort of like clicking on a message without knowing what it is about. That was sort of the starting point of why I added the thread panel to my layout in the first place ;) On 27 Apr 2016, at 4:07, Gary Hull wrote: Have you thought of adding a message thread arc panel to these? Why not go for everything, including the kitchen sink! On 26 Apr 2016, at 18:53, Jody Foo wrote: Hi all, just chipping in here. I've done quite a bit of modifications to my sidebar layout, so here are two images just an example use case (the images below link to larger versions). [](http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/mm-vertical-thread-corr.png) [](http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/mm-widescreen-thread-corr.png) If anybody is interested, here is also a link to the two layouts I'm using. - http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/wide+vertical_thread-corr_mmlayouts.zip I am quite happy with them. The middle *thread panel* shows all messages that belong to the selected message of the *correspondence panel*. The selection in the *correspondence panel* follows the selection in the thread panel if it changes. Also, the messages listed in the correspondence panel include all messages where both the sender and the recipient are mentioned in any field, not where the sender and recipient switch places as this is more in line with my own intuition of correspondence (sacrificing a bit of precision for better recall). In the zip-file, there are also versions with the bottom correspondence pane exchanged for a "messages with the same tag" pane which shows messages with the same tag (any I hope) as the selected message in the main message outline (top). cheers, Jody On 27 Feb 2016, at 22:18, Marc ARC wrote: Benny, Sound great !! Marc On 26 Feb 2016, at 10:37, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 25 Feb 2016, at 16:01, Marc ARC wrote: For me it would be handy to have an additional MyMailboxes menu/tab in the sidebar where I can put the SmartMailboxes I use. Could this also benefit other users ? Or is there an other elegant way to have similar presentation. You already got various ideas in the thread. I just want to add that my future ambition is to make the mailbox list “simpler”. I want to remove the MAILBOXES and SOURCES groups allowing users to order it any way they like. At the same time I would like the universal mailboxes to be optional (also allowing the creation of other universal mailboxes). But I haven't written a single line of code for this which means that I make *no promises*. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
On 27 Apr 2016, at 7:05, Mark Derricutt wrote: Ack - one thing that I immediate notice, hotkeys for next (unread) message no longer work when the folder is clicked on :( I have to then click into a specific message list. I'm not sure I know which shortcut behaviour you are referring to? The `J`/`K`/`arrow keys`, `cmd-alt-arrowkeys`, they all work for me. They do only interact with one panel at the time, so if you want to go to the next (unread) message in another panel, you'll have to switch which panel is focused (don't know if there are shortcuts for that). I did however retain the keyboard shortcut `ctrl+alt+cmd+c` which toggles the thread/tag and correspondence panels (they are children of the same parent panel which is the actual one that gets toggled). /jody___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
Have you thought of adding a message thread arc panel to these? Why not go for everything, including the kitchen sink! On 26 Apr 2016, at 18:53, Jody Foo wrote: Hi all, just chipping in here. I've done quite a bit of modifications to my sidebar layout, so here are two images just an example use case (the images below link to larger versions). [](http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/mm-vertical-thread-corr.png) [](http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/mm-widescreen-thread-corr.png) If anybody is interested, here is also a link to the two layouts I'm using. - http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/wide+vertical_thread-corr_mmlayouts.zip I am quite happy with them. The middle *thread panel* shows all messages that belong to the selected message of the *correspondence panel*. The selection in the *correspondence panel* follows the selection in the thread panel if it changes. Also, the messages listed in the correspondence panel include all messages where both the sender and the recipient are mentioned in any field, not where the sender and recipient switch places as this is more in line with my own intuition of correspondence (sacrificing a bit of precision for better recall). In the zip-file, there are also versions with the bottom correspondence pane exchanged for a "messages with the same tag" pane which shows messages with the same tag (any I hope) as the selected message in the main message outline (top). cheers, Jody On 27 Feb 2016, at 22:18, Marc ARC wrote: Benny, Sound great !! Marc On 26 Feb 2016, at 10:37, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 25 Feb 2016, at 16:01, Marc ARC wrote: For me it would be handy to have an additional MyMailboxes menu/tab in the sidebar where I can put the SmartMailboxes I use. Could this also benefit other users ? Or is there an other elegant way to have similar presentation. You already got various ideas in the thread. I just want to add that my future ambition is to make the mailbox list “simpler”. I want to remove the MAILBOXES and SOURCES groups allowing users to order it any way they like. At the same time I would like the universal mailboxes to be optional (also allowing the creation of other universal mailboxes). But I haven't written a single line of code for this which means that I make *no promises*. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
I figured it out. 1. Right-click on MailMate App, choose Show Package Contents. 2. Open Resources > Layouts > Mailboxes 3. Copy the plists into that folder Now the new options appear in the View > Layout menu. On 27 Apr 2016, at 2:16, Gary Hull wrote: These look really interesting. Where do the plists go? I peeked in Application Support, but none of the folders looked right. On 26 Apr 2016, at 18:53, Jody Foo wrote: Hi all, just chipping in here. I've done quite a bit of modifications to my sidebar layout, so here are two images just an example use case (the images below link to larger versions). [](http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/mm-vertical-thread-corr.png) [](http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/mm-widescreen-thread-corr.png) If anybody is interested, here is also a link to the two layouts I'm using. - http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/wide+vertical_thread-corr_mmlayouts.zip I am quite happy with them. The middle *thread panel* shows all messages that belong to the selected message of the *correspondence panel*. The selection in the *correspondence panel* follows the selection in the thread panel if it changes. Also, the messages listed in the correspondence panel include all messages where both the sender and the recipient are mentioned in any field, not where the sender and recipient switch places as this is more in line with my own intuition of correspondence (sacrificing a bit of precision for better recall). In the zip-file, there are also versions with the bottom correspondence pane exchanged for a "messages with the same tag" pane which shows messages with the same tag (any I hope) as the selected message in the main message outline (top). cheers, Jody On 27 Feb 2016, at 22:18, Marc ARC wrote: Benny, Sound great !! Marc On 26 Feb 2016, at 10:37, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 25 Feb 2016, at 16:01, Marc ARC wrote: For me it would be handy to have an additional MyMailboxes menu/tab in the sidebar where I can put the SmartMailboxes I use. Could this also benefit other users ? Or is there an other elegant way to have similar presentation. You already got various ideas in the thread. I just want to add that my future ambition is to make the mailbox list “simpler”. I want to remove the MAILBOXES and SOURCES groups allowing users to order it any way they like. At the same time I would like the universal mailboxes to be optional (also allowing the creation of other universal mailboxes). But I haven't written a single line of code for this which means that I make *no promises*. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
The thread arc panel never really worked out for me as I found that they didn't provide me with any guidance on what would happen when I pressed each circle. Sort of like clicking on a message without knowing what it is about. That was sort of the starting point of why I added the thread panel to my layout in the first place ;) On 27 Apr 2016, at 4:07, Gary Hull wrote: Have you thought of adding a message thread arc panel to these? Why not go for everything, including the kitchen sink! On 26 Apr 2016, at 18:53, Jody Foo wrote: Hi all, just chipping in here. I've done quite a bit of modifications to my sidebar layout, so here are two images just an example use case (the images below link to larger versions). [](http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/mm-vertical-thread-corr.png) [](http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/mm-widescreen-thread-corr.png) If anybody is interested, here is also a link to the two layouts I'm using. - http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/wide+vertical_thread-corr_mmlayouts.zip I am quite happy with them. The middle *thread panel* shows all messages that belong to the selected message of the *correspondence panel*. The selection in the *correspondence panel* follows the selection in the thread panel if it changes. Also, the messages listed in the correspondence panel include all messages where both the sender and the recipient are mentioned in any field, not where the sender and recipient switch places as this is more in line with my own intuition of correspondence (sacrificing a bit of precision for better recall). In the zip-file, there are also versions with the bottom correspondence pane exchanged for a "messages with the same tag" pane which shows messages with the same tag (any I hope) as the selected message in the main message outline (top). cheers, Jody On 27 Feb 2016, at 22:18, Marc ARC wrote: Benny, Sound great !! Marc On 26 Feb 2016, at 10:37, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 25 Feb 2016, at 16:01, Marc ARC wrote: For me it would be handy to have an additional MyMailboxes menu/tab in the sidebar where I can put the SmartMailboxes I use. Could this also benefit other users ? Or is there an other elegant way to have similar presentation. You already got various ideas in the thread. I just want to add that my future ambition is to make the mailbox list “simpler”. I want to remove the MAILBOXES and SOURCES groups allowing users to order it any way they like. At the same time I would like the universal mailboxes to be optional (also allowing the creation of other universal mailboxes). But I haven't written a single line of code for this which means that I make *no promises*. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
Hi, sorry for missing that bit, but you should copy them to ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/Layouts/Mailboxes instead since MailMate looks there for user stuff. Putting more things into the application directly should be avoided when possible since it changes the signature of the app which might stop it from running. Also, if you put them in the app itself, they will disappear when you update MailMail.app. On 27 Apr 2016, at 3:31, Gary Hull wrote: I figured it out. 1. Right-click on MailMate App, choose Show Package Contents. 2. Open Resources > Layouts > Mailboxes 3. Copy the plists into that folder Now the new options appear in the View > Layout menu. On 27 Apr 2016, at 2:16, Gary Hull wrote: These look really interesting. Where do the plists go? I peeked in Application Support, but none of the folders looked right. On 26 Apr 2016, at 18:53, Jody Foo wrote: Hi all, just chipping in here. I've done quite a bit of modifications to my sidebar layout, so here are two images just an example use case (the images below link to larger versions). [](http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/mm-vertical-thread-corr.png) [](http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/mm-widescreen-thread-corr.png) If anybody is interested, here is also a link to the two layouts I'm using. - http://box.fnurl.se/mailmate/wide+vertical_thread-corr_mmlayouts.zip I am quite happy with them. The middle *thread panel* shows all messages that belong to the selected message of the *correspondence panel*. The selection in the *correspondence panel* follows the selection in the thread panel if it changes. Also, the messages listed in the correspondence panel include all messages where both the sender and the recipient are mentioned in any field, not where the sender and recipient switch places as this is more in line with my own intuition of correspondence (sacrificing a bit of precision for better recall). In the zip-file, there are also versions with the bottom correspondence pane exchanged for a "messages with the same tag" pane which shows messages with the same tag (any I hope) as the selected message in the main message outline (top). cheers, Jody On 27 Feb 2016, at 22:18, Marc ARC wrote: Benny, Sound great !! Marc On 26 Feb 2016, at 10:37, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 25 Feb 2016, at 16:01, Marc ARC wrote: For me it would be handy to have an additional MyMailboxes menu/tab in the sidebar where I can put the SmartMailboxes I use. Could this also benefit other users ? Or is there an other elegant way to have similar presentation. You already got various ideas in the thread. I just want to add that my future ambition is to make the mailbox list “simpler”. I want to remove the MAILBOXES and SOURCES groups allowing users to order it any way they like. At the same time I would like the universal mailboxes to be optional (also allowing the creation of other universal mailboxes). But I haven't written a single line of code for this which means that I make *no promises*. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
Benny, Sound great !! Marc On 26 Feb 2016, at 10:37, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 25 Feb 2016, at 16:01, Marc ARC wrote: For me it would be handy to have an additional MyMailboxes menu/tab in the sidebar where I can put the SmartMailboxes I use. Could this also benefit other users ? Or is there an other elegant way to have similar presentation. You already got various ideas in the thread. I just want to add that my future ambition is to make the mailbox list “simpler”. I want to remove the MAILBOXES and SOURCES groups allowing users to order it any way they like. At the same time I would like the universal mailboxes to be optional (also allowing the creation of other universal mailboxes). But I haven't written a single line of code for this which means that I make *no promises*. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
On 25 Feb 2016, at 16:01, Marc ARC wrote: For me it would be handy to have an additional MyMailboxes menu/tab in the sidebar where I can put the SmartMailboxes I use. Could this also benefit other users ? Or is there an other elegant way to have similar presentation. You already got various ideas in the thread. I just want to add that my future ambition is to make the mailbox list “simpler”. I want to remove the MAILBOXES and SOURCES groups allowing users to order it any way they like. At the same time I would like the universal mailboxes to be optional (also allowing the creation of other universal mailboxes). But I haven't written a single line of code for this which means that I make *no promises*. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
Richard Rettke wrote (at 15:56 on 25 Feb 2016): Hi John, When I inadvertently archive or trash an item I didn't really want to, I just use UNDO, Cmd-Z and it UNDO's it. I never have needed to go to the archive or trash to find it. Yes, that works if it was the last thing you did. I work fast and impulsively, so it rarely is. But good tip in general! ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
Hi John, When I inadvertently archive or trash an item I didn't really want to, I just use UNDO, Cmd-Z and it UNDO's it. I never have needed to go to the archive or trash to find it. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke On 25 Feb 2016, at 16:52, John Cooper mailmate-at-coopercontent.com |Mailmate/RER>Vendor>Software> Freron Software| wrote: Yes, I'd like to hide Sent, Drafts, Junk, and All Messages in particular. I personally access Archives and Trash occasionally, almost always when I've used one of my single-key shortcuts incorrectly and archived or trashed a message I want back. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
Bill Cole wrote (at 14:26 on 25 Feb 2016): It is possible to come close to this by deleting any smart mailboxes that you never want and moving all of the ones you rarely want into a subfolder (like the "Examples" folder in the standard MM collection.) You can even move all of the unified "special" mailboxes into one subfolder, but that only holds until MM is quit. At re-launch, they'll pop back out to the top level. However, you CAN (at least in the latest betas) re-order them. So you can get something like this: http://www.scconsult.com/MMClean.png Yes, that is a close analog to my current setup. To repeat, I'd like to avoid having to see the non-smart mailboxes in the MAILBOXES section, because I rarely use them, and because their presence only adds duplicate unread counts. I find it unfortunate that I can't keep Sources collapsed. Even if I do, it opens up again when I select a message from the menu bar counter. Why not just change what the menubar counters point to?...If it's a smart mailbox, selecting a message from the menubar icon opens that smart mailbox, NOT the source the message resides in. Thanks! That's a good tip. I've reconfigured all the menu bar counters to point to smart mailboxes, which should take care of that part of the problem. MailMate's excellent smart mailboxes system means that I should have to see the source mailboxes (and their duplicate unread counts) only very rarely. And you shall not, if you adjust the configuration to your preferences. I've collapsed the SOURCES section and will live with that for a while. The same goes for the standard mailboxes in the MAILBOXES section. I absolutely concur. If I could totally kill off "Archives" (which is useless as implemented, given how I actually archive email) I would. I'd also stash MOST of the unified special mailboxes in a subfolder, since even when I need to see one of them, there's rarely a reason for it to be unified across all source accounts. Yes, I'd like to hide Sent, Drafts, Junk, and All Messages in particular. I personally access Archives and Trash occasionally, almost always when I've used one of my single-key shortcuts incorrectly and archived or trashed a message I want back. Thanks, John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
On 25 Feb 2016, at 11:18, John Cooper wrote: Marc ARC wrote (at 7:01 on 25 Feb 2016): For me it would be handy to have an additional MyMailboxes menu/tab in the sidebar where I can put the SmartMailboxes I use. Could this also benefit other users ? Or is there an other elegant way to have similar presentation. I'll add my comments. I would appreciate an interface where I can keep MAILBOXES and SOURCES collapsed, and expand only a third section that contains only my smart mailboxes. (Preferably, this section would be at the top.) After two years of using MailMate, I still find it distracting and even a little confusing to have unread-mail counters in two different places that indicate the same unread mail. It is possible to come close to this by deleting any smart mailboxes that you never want and moving all of the ones you rarely want into a subfolder (like the "Examples" folder in the standard MM collection.) You can even move all of the unified "special" mailboxes into one subfolder, but that only holds until MM is quit. At re-launch, they'll pop back out to the top level. However, you CAN (at least in the latest betas) re-order them. So you can get something like this: http://www.scconsult.com/MMClean.png (The "Clutter" subfolder has a dozen or so ad hoc/rarely-used/intermediate smart mailboxes. The 11 hidden sources have 586 sub-folders with messages in them, up to 5 layers deep. Which actually makes sense. Really.) I find it unfortunate that I can't keep Sources collapsed. Even if I do, it opens up again when I select a message from the menu bar counter. Why not just change what the menubar counters point to? Preferences->Counters is probably the worst-understood part of the MM UI, and it deserves that. However, once you figure out how it works, it's brilliantly useful. The 4 left-side radio buttons select which of 4 counters the right-side controls refer to. The radio buttons are presumably in an unlabeled square because that indicates which corner of the Dock icon each one occupies. If you don't use Dock icon badges this is entirely unintuitive. In the "Mailbox" pull-down menu, you can select any mailbox. If it's a smart mailbox, selecting a message from the menubar icon opens that smart mailbox, NOT the source the message resides in. MailMate's excellent smart mailboxes system means that I should have to see the source mailboxes (and their duplicate unread counts) only very rarely. And you shall not, if you adjust the configuration to your preferences. The same goes for the standard mailboxes in the MAILBOXES section. I absolutely concur. If I could totally kill off "Archives" (which is useless as implemented, given how I actually archive email) I would. I'd also stash MOST of the unified special mailboxes in a subfolder, since even when I need to see one of them, there's rarely a reason for it to be unified across all source accounts. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] SideBar organisational tabs/menus
Marc ARC wrote (at 7:01 on 25 Feb 2016): For me it would be handy to have an additional MyMailboxes menu/tab in the sidebar where I can put the SmartMailboxes I use. Could this also benefit other users ? Or is there an other elegant way to have similar presentation. I'll add my comments. I would appreciate an interface where I can keep MAILBOXES and SOURCES collapsed, and expand only a third section that contains only my smart mailboxes. (Preferably, this section would be at the top.) After two years of using MailMate, I still find it distracting and even a little confusing to have unread-mail counters in two different places that indicate the same unread mail. I find it unfortunate that I can't keep Sources collapsed. Even if I do, it opens up again when I select a message from the menu bar counter. MailMate's excellent smart mailboxes system means that I should have to see the source mailboxes (and their duplicate unread counts) only very rarely. The same goes for the standard mailboxes in the MAILBOXES section. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
