Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
Same! cheers Simon -- Simon Kaplan si...@kaplan.id.au +61 411 511 122 “Succass is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts.” (Winston Churchill) On 6 Feb 2023, at 0:51, Shoshanna Green wrote: On 4 Feb 2023, at 10:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Orange: The URL of a blocked image Red: It's either a link to an `http:` URL (which is *always* unsafe) or MailMate detected that the displayed text of a link looks like a URL, but the actual link does not match it. Normal: https://freron.com Red: http://freron.com Normal: [https://example.com/good_url](https://example.com/good_url) Red: [https://example.com/good_url](https://example.com/bad_url) I *love* this helpful bit of design. Thanks, Benny! Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
On 4 Feb 2023, at 10:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > Orange: The URL of a blocked image > > Red: It's either a link to an `http:` URL (which is *always* unsafe) or > MailMate detected that the displayed text of a link looks like a URL, but the > actual link does not match it. > > Normal: https://freron.com > Red: http://freron.com > > Normal: [https://example.com/good_url](https://example.com/good_url) > Red: [https://example.com/good_url](https://example.com/bad_url) I *love* this helpful bit of design. Thanks, Benny! Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
That’s really good info. Thanks for the heads up, Benny. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 4 Feb 2023, at 10:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 4 Feb 2023, at 15:03, Henry Seiden wrote: I also noticed in this release (5939-5941) that sometimes the appearance of the link is in RED on a RED background, [sometimes BLACK letters on ORANGE background for me on some accounts](https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sm07rfnzw2njc7f/AAA2gwYRFahYsYzcaMsZnYpEa?dl=0) and other wise (more often) [BLACK letters on WHITE background](https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sm07rfnzw2njc7f/AAA2gwYRFahYsYzcaMsZnYpEa?dl=0) on others. Is this an intended or an adjustable convention? This is not currently configurable. Orange: The URL of a blocked image Red: It's either a link to an `http:` URL (which is *always* unsafe) or MailMate detected that the displayed text of a link looks like a URL, but the actual link does not match it. Normal: https://freron.com Red: http://freron.com Normal: [https://example.com/good_url](https://example.com/good_url) Red: [https://example.com/good_url](https://example.com/bad_url) In other words, the colors are just there to help you notice potential security issues. -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
On 4 Feb 2023, at 15:03, Henry Seiden wrote: I also noticed in this release (5939-5941) that sometimes the appearance of the link is in RED on a RED background, [sometimes BLACK letters on ORANGE background for me on some accounts](https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sm07rfnzw2njc7f/AAA2gwYRFahYsYzcaMsZnYpEa?dl=0) and other wise (more often) [BLACK letters on WHITE background](https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sm07rfnzw2njc7f/AAA2gwYRFahYsYzcaMsZnYpEa?dl=0) on others. Is this an intended or an adjustable convention? This is not currently configurable. Orange: The URL of a blocked image Red: It's either a link to an `http:` URL (which is *always* unsafe) or MailMate detected that the displayed text of a link looks like a URL, but the actual link does not match it. Normal: https://freron.com Red: http://freron.com Normal: [https://example.com/good_url](https://example.com/good_url) Red: [https://example.com/good_url](https://example.com/bad_url) In other words, the colors are just there to help you notice potential security issues. -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
On 3 Feb 2023, at 16:33, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 30 Dec 2022, at 1:08, John Cooper wrote: > >> Randy Bush wrote (at 4:02 PM on Thursday, December 29, 2022): >> >>> url hints not working for me on 2020 ventura mbp 13 using Version 1.14 >> >> I'm wondering if it's not a Ventura thing. > > Should be fixed since r5939. Works for me. -Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
Benny, I also noticed in this release (5939-5941) that sometimes the appearance of the link is in RED on a RED background, [sometimes BLACK letters on ORANGE background for me on some accounts](https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sm07rfnzw2njc7f/AAA2gwYRFahYsYzcaMsZnYpEa?dl=0) and other wise (more often) [BLACK letters on WHITE background](https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sm07rfnzw2njc7f/AAA2gwYRFahYsYzcaMsZnYpEa?dl=0) on others. Is this an intended or an adjustable convention? Running M-M Test Build 1.14 (5941), MacOS 13.2 (22D49) on my MBP 2021 14” M1Pro Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 3 Feb 2023, at 10:33, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 30 Dec 2022, at 1:08, John Cooper wrote: Randy Bush wrote (at 4:02 PM on Thursday, December 29, 2022): url hints not working for me on 2020 ventura mbp 13 using Version 1.14 I'm wondering if it's not a Ventura thing. Should be fixed since r5939. Sorry about the delay, but I only recently switched to Ventura and this was in fact a Ventura-related issue (Apple changed something which implicitly meant that MailMate could not properly track when hovering over a URL). -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
On 30 Dec 2022, at 1:08, John Cooper wrote: > Randy Bush wrote (at 4:02 PM on Thursday, December 29, 2022): > >> url hints not working for me on 2020 ventura mbp 13 using Version 1.14 > > I'm wondering if it's not a Ventura thing. Should be fixed since r5939. Sorry about the delay, but I only recently switched to Ventura and this was in fact a Ventura-related issue (Apple changed something which implicitly meant that MailMate could not properly track when hovering over a URL). -- Benny https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
On 2 Jan 2023, at 14:15, Robert M. Münch wrote: > On 27 Dec 2022, at 21:45, Jon Sutton via mailmate wrote: > >> Not sure when this stopped working, but I no longer see the full URL when >> hovering over a link in a message. I am running the beta release, Version >> 1.14 (5918). Is this fixed in a later development build? > > Not working too: Intel, 13.1, MM 5933 > > -Robert Still not working in 5937. -Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
On 27 Dec 2022, at 21:45, Jon Sutton via mailmate wrote: > Not sure when this stopped working, but I no longer see the full URL when > hovering over a link in a message. I am running the beta release, Version > 1.14 (5918). Is this fixed in a later development build? Not working too: Intel, 13.1, MM 5933 -Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link [works in greyed out active window]
> So, If right-click IN AN EMAIL but not in the link > somehow the function is turned on and stays enabled yep. confirmed, 2020 intel ventura randy ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link [works in greyed out active window]
Gavin, Tested it here without even opening a message in the inbox, just toggling and hovering from a message in this list. Clearly different things happening here. At best it’s an unintended feature at worst, a bug. You guys decide. I’m leaving it for others to pursue. When further updates occur (Test Builds, Beta) will try to test for it, now that I know how to duplicate the issue and report back. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 30 Dec 2022, at 7:10, Gavan Schneider wrote: On 30 Dec 2022, at 23:00, Henry Seiden wrote: HA! To summarize, in this build with M1 Apple silicon and Ventura 13.1, for this version and possibly earlier, we have a bug in MM that is is repeatable always but in weird conditions we may not have previously duplicated (Try to confirm, please), perhaps unintended to the functionality of window selection. Confirmed, mostly, I think, kinda — definitely weird, not sure I am getting e sequence worked out. The URL flashes at the bottom as advertised… once white, once red. Stays stuck, so does not respond to hover over another URL, and resets when I leave the message, ie., back to baseline when I reopen the message. And yes repeating: Apple/M1 Ventura 13.1; MM 5933 Regards Gavan Schneider —— Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. — H. L. Mencken, 1920 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link [works in greyed out active window]
On 30 Dec 2022, at 23:00, Henry Seiden wrote: > HA! To summarize, in this build with M1 Apple silicon and Ventura 13.1, for > this version and possibly earlier, we have a bug in MM that is is repeatable > always but in weird conditions we may not have previously duplicated (Try to > confirm, please), perhaps unintended to the functionality of window selection. > Confirmed, mostly, I think, kinda — definitely weird, not sure I am getting e sequence worked out. The URL flashes at the bottom as advertised… once white, once red. Stays stuck, so does not respond to hover over another URL, and resets when I leave the message, ie., back to baseline when I reopen the message. And yes repeating: Apple/M1 Ventura 13.1; MM 5933 Regards Gavan Schneider —— Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. — H. L. Mencken, 1920 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link [works in greyed out active window]
Steve, You got it! So, If right-click IN AN EMAIL, somehow the function is turned on and stays enabled from that point onward, until the email is again selected normally. I found out that a message can be “grayed out” with the right click by clicking in it. Then, when the message is grey out, the hovering works! Posted the “greyed out condition” initiated by control-clicking on a received message [here showing greyed and the non-grayed one with hovering working, selected message appearances in MM 1.14 Test Build 5933](https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sm07rfnzw2njc7f/AAA2gwYRFahYsYzcaMsZnYpEa?dl=0). Maybe someone can confirm the conditions to duplicate it in Apple Silicon+ Ventura + build where it started (first appeared) to take this further. Grayed out condition is normally enabled (in my case, anyway) when a message is selected in the main window but a compose window is open. It’s active instead of the main window. This doesn’t allow hovering to work in the inactive main window as you might expect. Hovering works only in an active window and with ^click. The functionality is not working a compose window (E.G., while composing a message). Hmmm… ^click in the main window when active alters this. While the main window is active *click anywhere (including on a web link but that gives a menu, AND toggles the hover so it’s weird there)* seems to enable this functionality. This toggles something that grays the window while it’s selected. This allows the function, (while composing, for example). HA! To summarize, in this build with M1 Apple silicon and Ventura 13.1, for this version and possibly earlier, we have a bug in MM that is is repeatable always but in weird conditions we may not have previously duplicated (Try to confirm, please), perhaps unintended to the functionality of window selection. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 29 Dec 2022, at 20:58, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
Updated from 5918 to 5933 - URL preview still not working with macOS 13.1 on M1 Mac Studio. Also not working on 5918 on 13.1 on M1 MacBook Pro 14”. URL preview ***is*** working with 5918 on 12.6.2 on Intel 2018 Mac mini. On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:26:47 -0500 Bill Cole wrote: On 2022-12-29 at 02:59:24 UTC-0500 (Thu, 29 Dec 2022 08:59:24 +0100) Thomas Grundberg is rumored to have said: 2022-12-29 kl 8:55 skrev Gavan Schneider: Differences in macOS and processor, same MlMt version Yeah, strange. To add to the tally, I’m on a 2010 Intel Mac Pro 5,1. Working fine for me: r5933 on a 2018 MBP 13" with Catalina -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
On 29 Dec 2022, at 19:08, John Cooper wrote: Randy Bush wrote (at 4:02 PM on Thursday, December 29, 2022): url hints not working for me on 2020 ventura mbp 13 using Version 1.14 I'm wondering if it's not a Ventura thing. It does not work for me on Ventura (Intel silicon) with NailMate 5918. However, if I right-click on the URL, it does display the URL at the bottom. —Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
Randy Bush wrote (at 4:02 PM on Thursday, December 29, 2022): > url hints not working for me on 2020 ventura mbp 13 using Version 1.14 I'm wondering if it's not a Ventura thing. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
url hints not working for me on 2020 ventura mbp 13 using Version 1.14 randy ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
On 2022-12-29 at 02:59:24 UTC-0500 (Thu, 29 Dec 2022 08:59:24 +0100) Thomas Grundberg is rumored to have said: > 2022-12-29 kl 8:55 skrev Gavan Schneider: > >> Differences in macOS and processor, same MlMt version > > Yeah, strange. To add to the tally, I’m on a 2010 Intel Mac Pro 5,1. Working fine for me: r5933 on a 2018 MBP 13" with Catalina -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
2022-12-29 kl 8:55 skrev Gavan Schneider: > Differences in macOS and processor, same MlMt version Yeah, strange. To add to the tally, I’m on a 2010 Intel Mac Pro 5,1. -- Thomas ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
On 29 Dec 2022, at 18:44, Thomas Grundberg wrote: > 2022-12-27 kl 21:45 skrev Jon Sutton via mailmate: > >> Not sure when this stopped working, but I no longer see the full URL when >> hovering over a link in a message. > > Well, it works for me (macOS 12.6.2, MM 5933). I tested it on another message > in this thread (the mouse pointer doesn’t show in the screenshot, but it’s > resting on the “Techworks Pro E-mail” line): > And not working for me either, just in case anyone is counting votes My system: MailMate/5933/… Ventura 13.1.0/arm64/iMac21,1/8 Differences in macOS and processor, same MlMt version HTH Gavan Schneider —— Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. — H. L. Mencken, 1920 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
2022-12-27 kl 21:45 skrev Jon Sutton via mailmate: Not sure when this stopped working, but I no longer see the full URL when hovering over a link in a message. Well, it works for me (macOS 12.6.2, MM 5933). I tested it on another message in this thread (the mouse pointer doesn’t show in the screenshot, but it’s resting on the “Techworks Pro E-mail” line):  -- Thomas ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
Henry Seiden wrote (at 4:05 PM on Wednesday, December 28, 2022): Jon, Must tell you I never noticed that feature at any point. Mainly because I use the Three Pane or Threaded Arcs layouts and most often for web links I use the paste command to embed, format & compose it (⌘+K) in a single step which makes it visible in compose mode anyway. Typically copying/pasting the web ink from wherever I found it. That said, I just tried it in this email on both the Markup version screen and the compose screens in my layout, hovering makes no difference at all, the formatting only is visible (underscore and blue formatting), in version 1.14 Test Build 5933. Hope the insert/copy/paste routine suggestion above helps in what you are trying to do. I'm pretty sure what Jon is trying to do is quickly see where a link leads by hovering over it in a received message. I like to do that, too, and I agree that the functionality seems to have gone missing at some point. On 27 Dec 2022, at 15:45, Jon Sutton via mailmate wrote: Not sure when this stopped working, but I no longer see the full URL when hovering over a link in a message. I am running the beta release, Version 1.14 (5918). Is this fixed in a later development build? Thanks. -Jon Sutton ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] URL no longer displays when hovering over a link
Jon, Must tell you I never noticed that feature at any point. Mainly because I use the Three Pane or Threaded Arcs layouts and most often for web links I use the paste command to embed, format & compose it (⌘+K) in a single step which makes it visible in compose mode anyway. Typically copying/pasting the web ink from wherever I found it. That said, I just tried it in this email on both the Markup version screen and the compose screens in my layout, hovering makes no difference at all, the formatting only is visible (underscore and blue formatting), in version 1.14 Test Build 5933. Hope the insert/copy/paste routine suggestion above helps in what you are trying to do. Good luck. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 27 Dec 2022, at 15:45, Jon Sutton via mailmate wrote: Not sure when this stopped working, but I no longer see the full URL when hovering over a link in a message. I am running the beta release, Version 1.14 (5918). Is this fixed in a later development build? Thanks. -Jon Sutton ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
