[MlMt] Larch IMAP Sync
Hi there, I searched the MailMate Mailing List Archive on Larch but nobody mentioned it. If you are looking for a very nice tool to migrate/sync mail from IMAP to IMAP give Larch a try: http://wonko.com/post/larch-syncs-messages-from-one-imap-server-to-another I have used it to migrate ~ 5000 e-mails from Gmail to Zoho without issues. Regards, Bram Heerink signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Strange issue with exchange imap
Did you install a CU as of late ? Seen some similar issues in the past (but moved to 365 for the better or the worst). On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:13, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: yeah. We still need to migrate to 365, currently it is Exchange2019 onsite.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Clicking links in emails doesn't open them (Version 1.14 (5918))
Jolin, There’s a process to migrate the database (not simply update it) that is meant to migrate to a new device. That “rebuild database” is what I referred to. You can find a discussion and instructions in the app or in the full instructions downloadable on line. Within the app- Menu>Help>Rebuild Database assuming you have a working install to save from. For me that has worked on a new install and useful when migrating old settings to it. I’m a bit weird about installing a new MacOS (final RC or new release versions) from scratch. On my list of apps to install, when doing so, this rebuild/migration comes in handy. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] migrating to new computer
MailMate Folk, I'm trying to migrate MailMate to a new computer. I've copied all the contents of the MailMate folder in Application Support, as well as the freron file in the Preferences folder of ~/Library. Lots of things transfer (like mailboxes), but certain things do not. For example, my selection of menubar counter is reset back to default, as well as the selection of keybindings. I can recover these easily, of course, but I'm curious: where are these stored? Why didn't they transfer? Thanks, Zvi ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] MailMate and Monterey
Hey all, I’m about to migrate to a new computer, so will be going through a forced upgrade from Mojave (10.14) to Monterey (12.0). I see that r5848 was posted today. Is this what I should use, and does it work ok with Monterey? Or should I be using the MailMateBigSur.tbz archive (which I think is a release from August)? Thanks, Jolin -- => Jolin ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Migrating MailMate to new Mac
I’m helping a friend set up his new Mac and migrating software from the old to the new. For most things on the computer, Apple’s Migration Assistant is not what we want to do. A pristine install of many software packages is what is needed. However, MailMate and all its bits are exactly what we want on the new machine. Is it possible to migrate all MailMate settings and rules to a new Mac manually? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Strange issue with exchange imap
No, not really. The latest one is CU13. On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:26, Alexandre Takacs wrote: > Did you install a CU as of late ? Seen some similar issues in the past (but > moved to 365 for the better or the worst). > > On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:13, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: > >> yeah. We still need to migrate to 365, currently it is Exchange2019 >> onsite.___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] good email providers that play well w/ MailMate [was: moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?]
On 14 Apr 2023, at 12:58, Ken Pope wrote: Thank you for the detailed, helpful instructions on how to move from my current dedicated server to Fastmail while continuing to use MailMate. A very naive question: I’m currently using a domain name (k...@kenpope.com) for my MailMate mail. I want to continue to use that name when I move to Fastmail. If I open an account at Fastmail with that domain name, won’t it close/end the account at my current dedicated server *before* I can transfer my messages (i.e., I can’t have both my current *and* my Fastmail accounts under the same k...@kenpope.com, can I?)? E-mails are really just files on the server, so it's perfectly possible to move them between k...@kenpope.com and k...@fastmail.com. You will **always** have a Fastmail user so the migration will normally: * set up this user account * migrate the e-mail to this account * check everything is okay * migrate the domain and set up the user In MailMate you can follow this by: * creating a new account for FastMail as "Ken New" * checking everything once FastMail has imported the data and your machine has synched * migrate the domain * edit account settings for "Ken" to point to the FastMail server * edit account settings for "Ken New" to point to the old server, just in case and rename it "Ken Old" * close the old account * once you sure everything is okay, delete "Ken Old" But if I open a Fastmail account under a different name (e.g., “k...@fastmail.com”), how do I then change my account name at Fastmail to k...@kenpope.com? That's really just an alias once everything has been done. FastMail says it has a migration service but the docs don't seem to be easy to find but I'd check that first. Charlie Clark -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Folders, but no messages after clean install
On 30 Jan 2014, at 6:20, Eric Beavers wrote: I recently finished a clean installation of the latest Mavericks. Of course, MailMate was one of the first to go back on my machine. After loading up all of my accounts I see all of my folders (directories, labels, whatever), but none of the messages. Did you migrate (restoring MailMate files from a backup) or did you start from scratch? Not sure where to start. Do you have any messages within subfolders of the following folder? ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/ -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] migrating to new computer
On 4 Apr 2014, at 5:35, Zvi Biener wrote: I'm trying to migrate MailMate to a new computer. I've copied all the contents of the MailMate folder in Application Support, as well as the freron file in the Preferences folder of ~/Library. That should be fine. MailMate does not save anything outside these locations: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist Lots of things transfer (like mailboxes), but certain things do not. For example, my selection of menubar counter is reset back to default, as well as the selection of keybindings. That should be in this file: ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist You can obtain the current counter settings like this: defaults read com.freron.MailMate MmCounters Maybe MailMate was running when you copied the file? -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Migrating to Big Sur
To migrate MailMate from Sierra to Big Sur, I moved these folders to identical locations on the new hard boot drive by dragging and dropping in Finder: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate (folder) ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist All copied. I then downloaded the latest daily MM beta and copied it to the Applications folder. After booting into Big Sur and launching MailMate, MM quit immediately and Terminal opened and spit out some errors errors. (Terminal purges previous output on Quit so those are gone for now. I’ll post what I see when I next boot BS and run MM.) Is my process correct? Thanks, Dave ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Monterey
Jolin, I would give it a try with r5848 ( not in Montery my self though ) Regards Marc On 19 Nov 2021, at 17:47, Jolin Warren wrote: > Hey all, > > I’m about to migrate to a new computer, so will be going through a forced > upgrade from Mojave (10.14) to Monterey (12.0). I see that r5848 was posted > today. Is this what I should use, and does it work ok with Monterey? Or > should I be using the MailMateBigSur.tbz archive (which I think is a release > from August)? > > Thanks, > Jolin > > -- > => Jolin > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Monterey
On 19 Nov 2021, at 17:47, Jolin Warren wrote: > I’m about to migrate to a new computer, so will be going through a forced > upgrade from Mojave (10.14) to Monterey (12.0). I see that r5848 was posted > today. Is this what I should use, and does it work ok with Monterey? Or > should I be using the MailMateBigSur.tbz archive (which I think is a release > from August)? Based on current feedback, I would recommend r5848. (Hopefully this also means I'm getting closer to making an actual public release, but there are a lot of “minor” issues which still need my attention.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Migrating MailMate to new Mac
On 15 Jul 2023, at 1:01, Creed Erickson via mailmate wrote: > For most things on the computer, Apple’s Migration Assistant is not what we > want to do. A pristine install of many software packages is what is needed. > However, MailMate and all its bits are exactly what we want on the new > machine. Is it possible to migrate all MailMate settings and rules to a new > Mac manually? Just have a look at the really good MM manual https://manual.mailmate-app.com/rebuild ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Strange issue with exchange imap
yeah. We still need to migrate to 365, currently it is Exchange2019 onsite. On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:09, Alexandre Takacs wrote: > Is this Onsite Exchange (I guess) or Microsoft 365 ? > > If the former which version ? > > On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:02, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: > >> for work, I use an exchange with open imap/s ports. Unfortunately it stopped >> working and I can't find out why. Trying the imap account directly with >> openssl works fine, also when adding an imap account to Apple Mail for >> example, it also works.___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Moving providers
On 14 Feb 2018, at 0:19, i...@circa.dk wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best procedure when moving IMAP providers/servers? I have a couple of domains with a couple of email addresses on each and 2-3 GB of mail on the server (and in Mailmate of course). I'm not 100% happy with my current provider, so I'm considering moving to a different one. But how best to do it without losing mail? And if anyone has any recommendations as to providers I'm all ears. Preferably northern Europe/Scandinavia. But anywhere in the world will do if there are compelling reasons to go there. I think the suggestion for the best procedure might depend on who you migrate to. I've been very happy with Fastmail. You don't mention if you're looking for a free provider or if you're willing to pay (and if the latter, whether you have a budget in mind), but part of why I'm happy with Fastmail is that I pay them. I know how they make their money. They're based in Australia, which means they are less vulnerable to invasive surveillance requests - they have a [great and clear privacy policy](https://www.fastmail.com/about/privacy.html). They are very open and they [blog often](https://blog.fastmail.com) about their development, policies, and security and privacy. If you do go with Fastmail, then I have had good experience with their IMAP migration. I migrated a few accounts into my one Fastmail account and haven't noticed anything off. So with them, I would recommend you migrate through their site and then add the account to MailMate. The alternative to using the new provider's migration tool is to add both old and new accounts to MailMate and move email from folders in the old account to folders in the new account. Sherif P.S. If you do want to go with Fastmail, I could send you a referral code that would benefit us both, but I wholeheartedly recommend them whether you're interested in that or not.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Clicking links in emails doesn't open them (Version 1.14 (5918))
Jolin, When I opened the new version updating on a first time basis on a different machine had several problems, one being on a specific infrequently used account (Outlook). But then it resolved itself. Sometimes it helps to migrate the database settings as described in the help menu. Since it resolved itself you said, there isn’t reason to do it. But that’s what I did in my case. My migration had several funny things happening, which is why I chose to migrate my database settings. Even doing that took a 24H period to resolve the OAUTH issue with Outlook by itself also. My other appearance issues (redirect icon in place of the Reply icon, funny mailbox settings and the like were resolved immediately. So, it seems this upgrade was not so much plug and play as previous, But there were a lot of changes in this one. So, just pointing out that it was a bit rocky and glad to hear that link opening was resolved for you. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 27 Sep 2022, at 7:47, Jolin Warren wrote: Thanks Henry, Sam, & Richard for responding. Strangely the issue seems to have resolved itself. I’m not sure if restarting Safari or MailMate helped, but I can again click links in received messages and have them open. What a relief! -- => Jolin ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Folders, but no messages after clean install
On 30 Jan 2014, at 15:44, Eric Beavers wrote: On Jan 30, 2014, at 4:43 AM, Benny Kjær Nielsen mailingl...@freron.com wrote: Not sure where to start. Do you have any messages within subfolders of the following folder? ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/ Did not migrate. No messages in subfolders other than a few recent drafts of outgoing messages that did not appear to go anywhere. Still tinkering. Ok, no messages means that MailMate has not fetched any messages for some reason. Check that all accounts/mailboxes are online under SOURCES in the mailbox outline. Also try opening the Activity Viewer (⌥⌘0) to see if you can find anything suspicious. Could this be a security certificate issue? Not sure why that would matter when one client works while another does not. Trying to think… No, I don't think that's it. Maybe we should take this off the mailing list since I don't think it's a general issue. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Using Gmail
Hi all, For various reasons I've had to migrate all of my email out of the 'normal' (courier) IMAP server I was using over to Google (apps for business). The current documentation seems to indicate that MM still doesn't deal too well with Gmail and labels, and with my current setup I really need the labels in Gmail. For the moment I'm using Airmail which is nice and fast and seems to handle gmails quirks Ok, but doesn't locally cache mail and is having some issues actually finding all 270-odd thousand messages I have. I'd very much like to keep using MailMate, so I'm interested in what the options are for setting it up with Gmail in a way that'll allow me to keep my label setup. Thanks. -- Alasdair Muckart | William de Wyke | http://wherearetheelves.net There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin, 1819-1900. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Database Import/Conversion from Mailsmith?
On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:06, Roger Diggle wrote: I'm seeing various email about issues with MM importing MBOX format. That is generally the practical route when exporting from Mailsmith. The mbox format is not really standardized and it's not unlikely that MailMate could have issues with some mbox-files (to be honest I didn't spend a lot of time on this importer). If you can generate a (small) example file then you are welcome to send it to me off list and I'll look into what goes wrong. Does anyone have any wisdom regarding moving a database from Mailsmith to Mail Mate? In general, it's best to migrate via IMAP, but that is not an option in this case. What format does MailSmith use internally? If it's in the standard email format then you might be able to import directly from the messages folder using “File ▸ Import Messages”. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Recreating my mailmate configuration on a new machine
Ralf Weber 2019-06-29 23:33 wrote: I recently got a new computer and after a couple of years not having to configure MailMate I struggle with getting MailMate into the same shape as I have on my old computer. So here are some problems that I currently have and would appreciate help on. A tips are to search the mailing list archive, this question comes up now and then. The link to the archive is at the bottom of each list message. To get the same setup on a new computer you can copy over the following (make sure to quit MailMate first): ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist When I move someone to a new computer I always use Apples migration assistance. It works really well. For more information: <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=migrate=mailmate%40lists.freron.com> Fredrik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Modifying IMAP account details
Malcolm, Yes, I see. R5918 was pretty extensive. Personally, I don’t rarely rely on Auto configuration wizards except in cases of emergency. Try to account save your set ups that are working to a document folder aside from MailMate. I prefer to migrate account settings between one computer/OS/installation and another copying account settings from the currently used installation. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 18 Oct 2022, at 18:59, Malcolm Fitzgerald wrote: Fortunately, I think I've discovered the issue. I'm using MailMate/5918 and I used the auto-magic option that generates an IMAP account from your email address for some. These do not allow me to edit the IMAP details. The accounts that allow me to edit details were created using the "configure manually..." button.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Migrating MailMate to new Mac
The Mailmate Help or full manual have sections on migrating settings and accounts possibly without passwords by copying them across from current settings. That sounds like what you want. I have notes that I took. But you could look it up. Let me know if you want my notes. Henry - - Please excuse the tttapping errors... Sent from my iPhone C/T (954) 253-4125 Henry M. Seiden Techworks Pro > On Jul 14, 2023, at 19:02, Creed Erickson via mailmate > wrote: > > I’m helping a friend set up his new Mac and migrating software from the old > to the new. > > For most things on the computer, Apple’s Migration Assistant is not what we > want to do. A pristine install of many software packages is what is needed. > However, MailMate and all its bits are exactly what we want on the new > machine. Is it possible to migrate all MailMate settings and rules to a new > Mac manually? > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Migrating MailMate to new Mac
Hello Creed, All the settings and data are stored in ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate ( you can get there by copying the sentence in Go > Goto Folder ) You can simply copy this folder/it’s contents over to the new computer. Just make sure that MM is not running while copying. Regards, Marc On 15 Jul 2023, at 1:01, Creed Erickson via mailmate wrote: I’m helping a friend set up his new Mac and migrating software from the old to the new. For most things on the computer, Apple’s Migration Assistant is not what we want to do. A pristine install of many software packages is what is needed. However, MailMate and all its bits are exactly what we want on the new machine. Is it possible to migrate all MailMate settings and rules to a new Mac manually? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Migrating MailMate to new Mac
On 15 Jul 2023, at 1:01, Creed Erickson via mailmate wrote: > I’m helping a friend set up his new Mac and migrating software from the old > to the new. > > For most things on the computer, Apple’s Migration Assistant is not what we > want to do. A pristine install of many software packages is what is needed. > However, MailMate and all its bits are exactly what we want on the new > machine. Is it possible to migrate all MailMate settings and rules to a new > Mac manually? CarbonCopy Cloner is the best app for managing backups. It gives you complete control over what you save and restore. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Strange issue with exchange imap
what is frustrating, I can connect without problems using `openssl -clrf -connect HOST:993`. login works, can list everything and read emails... but using MailMate does not work. really strange. On 19 Jan 2024, at 11:26, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: > No, not really. The latest one is CU13. > > > On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:26, Alexandre Takacs wrote: > >> Did you install a CU as of late ? Seen some similar issues in the past (but >> moved to 365 for the better or the worst). >> >> On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:13, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: >> >>> yeah. We still need to migrate to 365, currently it is Exchange2019 >>> onsite.___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Strange issue with exchange imap
Running any firewall or AV on that machine ? Can you try with a different one (ie MM on anther Mac) ? Best regards On 19 Jan 2024, at 11:48, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: what is frustrating, I can connect without problems using `openssl -clrf -connect HOST:993`. login works, can list everything and read emails... but using MailMate does not work. really strange. On 19 Jan 2024, at 11:26, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: No, not really. The latest one is CU13. On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:26, Alexandre Takacs wrote: Did you install a CU as of late ? Seen some similar issues in the past (but moved to 365 for the better or the worst). On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:13, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: yeah. We still need to migrate to 365, currently it is Exchange2019 onsite.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate Experimental Build upgrade V6032, installed on MacOS Sonoma 14.5
On 2024-06-02 at 11:48:52 UTC-0400 (Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:48:52 +) Henry Seiden is rumored to have said: Good catch. I’m not using APFS Case Sensitive format for MacOS at this time. I'm not surprised. It was a challenge to get Sonoma's recovery/install/migrate tooling to let me convert the primary data partition to case-sensitive. I definitely would not recommend that anyone who doesn't need to restore from a pre-existing case-sensitive account backup go through the somewhat nerve-wracking process of making it work. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo@toad.social and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Gmail
My impression is that MailMate doesn't deal well with Gmail by design, and there's no plan to natively support Gmail. MailMate is a standards-based e-mail client that follows the various IMAP RFCs. Gmail uses an undocumented proprietary fork/hack of IMAP (GIMAP). There's only one developer for MailMate, and he has to prioritize. In addition, Google could change things at any time and break MailMate, and given the rumors that the results of the Sparrow acquisition are about to bear fruit, it seems like it's in Google's interest to encourage Gmail users to migrate to Google's own PC-side client, rather than use other clients, so if, oops!, stuff accidentally starts to break in other clients that try to support GIMAP, hey, that's the way the cookie crumbles. However, in the MailMate documentation there are hacks given for those who must use Gmail, the first of which is Don't use labels, the second of which is If you do you use labels use one and only one label for every each and every e-mail, and the third of which is If you must use labels as tags and put more than one on each e-mail, get used to a lot of duplicated e-mails, because GIMAP presents labels as separate folders to connecting IMAP clients. On 16 May 2014, at 16:28, Alasdair Muckart wrote: Hi all, For various reasons I've had to migrate all of my email out of the 'normal' (courier) IMAP server I was using over to Google (apps for business). The current documentation seems to indicate that MM still doesn't deal too well with Gmail and labels, and with my current setup I really need the labels in Gmail. For the moment I'm using Airmail which is nice and fast and seems to handle gmails quirks Ok, but doesn't locally cache mail and is having some issues actually finding all 270-odd thousand messages I have. I'd very much like to keep using MailMate, so I'm interested in what the options are for setting it up with Gmail in a way that'll allow me to keep my label setup. Thanks. -- Alasdair Muckart | William de Wyke | http://wherearetheelves.net There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin, 1819-1900. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Where is message flag color information kept?
Not an answer to your question, but I've usually found it more reliable to migrate email over IMAP (using, for example, MailMate) rather than by copying the underlying files. Especially when changing server software. Good luck! -sam *From: *Greg Earle *To: *mailmate@lists.freron.com *Date: *Jul 15, 2021 8:25:50 AM *Subject: *[MlMt] Where is message flag color information kept? Benny et al., I'm trying to migrate my mail server at work and have come across something I don't understand. If I mark messages in my work e-mail account (in MailMate) with red/yellow/green etc., MailMate running on my home Mac and my work Mac correctly see the colors. Also, if I run Apple Mail on either my home Mac or my work Mac, they also correctly see the colors on both systems. This made me think at first that the flag color information must be in the filename if not metadata in the message file itself. But if I rsync my Maildirs from my old Ops mail server (Courier) to my new Dev mail server (Postfix+Dovecot), both MailMate and Apple Mail see every flagged message on the new server as being red - all the yellow/green/etc. color differential/subtlety is getting lost somewhere. I verified that the mail message files have the same exact filename, size and checksum on both servers - so clearly the flag color can't be kept in the file or the filename? I don't get it - how do Apple Mail and MailMate know about each other's colors (yes I know MailMate implements Apple Mail's flag setup), but if you copy the message to a different server and it's correctly preserved, the color information is lost? tl;dr: Where do MailMate/Apple Mail store the flag color info for each message? TIA, - Greg ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Archive and Trash not syncing on a fresh install
Hello! It’s a MacBook Air M2 (Sonoma 14.2). I didn’t migrate anything but my Mailboxes.plist. I’m OK with having a fresh start, but I can’t find why neither archiving or trashing works. I’m not sure there’s something to do with versions. I upgraded it to Version 1.14 (5937) but the same happens. I’m using IMAP such as in my office computer (where I also use Mailmate with no issue) and in my old laptop. It’s really strange, because I’m doing a fresh install from scratch. –– Claudio Ruiz On 17 Dec 2023, at 9:34, Henry Seiden wrote: Hi Claudio, You didn’t mention what computer model or OS you now have. Nor whether you migrated all your settings in MailMate. You do seem to have a quite early version. The most current version of Malmate is 1.14 (in 2011) and the latest, most stable release is r5673, according to the release notes. In the developer’s app history that is a long time ago. Sure you have right? Many aspects of the app have been updated in 1.14 and subsequent build, too numerous to mention here. Maybe others have experience with your version. So that question is open. I do recommend you **migrate your settings** when upgrading to a new computer instead of whatever process you did use (restore from backup, copy, etc.). Since that may no longer be feasible, you may need to reinstall new setting for each IMAP account. Are you still using POP on your server accounts? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 17 Dec 2023, at 6:26, Claudio Ruiz wrote: Hi folks, I got a new computer and installed Mailmate as usual. After connecting the email accounts I have on Fastmail, I realized that when I Archive an email it’s gone from the Inbox in Mailmate, but nothing happens on the server. When I try to Trash a message, is gone on my Inbox in Mailmate, but is still there on the inbox on the server. Basically, it doesn’t sync. What is weird is that on my old notebook, everything works flawlessly using a mirrored configuration. I’m using Version 1.13.2 (5673) Best, C –– Claudio Ruiz ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Gmail
Thanks Gary, I completely understand the design decisions behind MailMate, and Google's strange not-quite-IMAP implementation. The reality though is that Gmail (and GIMAP) actually work *really* well, and recent comments made me wonder if there was more label-compatibility coming in MM. On 16 May 2014 at 8:13:44 pm, Gary Hull (yh82d7...@yandex.com) wrote: My impression is that MailMate doesn't deal well with Gmail by design, and there's no plan to natively support Gmail. MailMate is a standards-based e-mail client that follows the various IMAP RFCs. Gmail uses an undocumented proprietary fork/hack of IMAP (GIMAP). There's only one developer for MailMate, and he has to prioritize. In addition, Google could change things at any time and break MailMate, and given the rumors that the results of the Sparrow acquisition are about to bear fruit, it seems like it's in Google's interest to encourage Gmail users to migrate to Google's own PC-side client, rather than use other clients, so if, oops!, stuff accidentally starts to break in other clients that try to support GIMAP, hey, that's the way the cookie crumbles. However, in the MailMate documentation there are hacks given for those who must use Gmail, the first of which is Don't use labels, the second of which is If you do you use labels use one and only one label for every each and every e-mail, and the third of which is If you must use labels as tags and put more than one on each e-mail, get used to a lot of duplicated e-mails, because GIMAP presents labels as separate folders to connecting IMAP clients. On 16 May 2014, at 16:28, Alasdair Muckart wrote: Hi all, For various reasons I've had to migrate all of my email out of the 'normal' (courier) IMAP server I was using over to Google (apps for business). The current documentation seems to indicate that MM still doesn't deal too well with Gmail and labels, and with my current setup I really need the labels in Gmail. For the moment I'm using Airmail which is nice and fast and seems to handle gmails quirks Ok, but doesn't locally cache mail and is having some issues actually finding all 270-odd thousand messages I have. I'd very much like to keep using MailMate, so I'm interested in what the options are for setting it up with Gmail in a way that'll allow me to keep my label setup. Thanks. -- Alasdair Muckart | William de Wyke | http://wherearetheelves.net There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin, 1819-1900. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Alasdair Muckart | William de Wyke | http://wherearetheelves.net There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin, 1819-1900. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Request for comments: GroupServer (mailing list software)
Hi, I've recently become aware of an alternative to Mailman (the software used for this mailing list). It's name is [GroupServer](http://groupserver.org) and it can be seen in action on [this site](https://onlinegroups.net). I've taken a quick look at the [details](http://groupserver.org/groupserver/features/details) and I don't really see any downsides, but I stopped reading when I saw these golden nuggets about formatting messages for the web-interface: While the messages are formatted and presented as part of a HTML Web-page, HTML email messages are not used, instead the plain-text form of the message is used. This is to ensure the security of the system. [...] The final formatting change is to convert the message so it uses the UTF-8 (Unicode) character encoding. This enables a wide range of character sets to be used within the same topic. [...] Files can be shared as attachments to posts made by email, or by the web. In both cases, a link to the files is distributed in the email version of the post, rather than sending out the files as attachments. So, I'm considering installing GroupServer on my server and migrate the Mailman mailing list, but first I would like to know if anyone on this list has any experience with it (as user or administrator). Thanks in advance. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] migrating to new computer
Thanks, Benny. I'm taking the files from a time machine backup, which perhaps was taken when mailmate was running. This does explain a lot -- in fact, since I wrote the initial email mailmate has started crashing on startup, and I wont bother you with the details, since you probably hit on the cause already. Thanks. I'll try to find a timemachine backup that is missing the .pid file -- this would indicate that mailmate was closed, right? On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Benny Kjær Nielsen mailingl...@freron.comwrote: On 4 Apr 2014, at 5:35, Zvi Biener wrote: I'm trying to migrate MailMate to a new computer. I've copied all the contents of the MailMate folder in Application Support, as well as the freron file in the Preferences folder of ~/Library. That should be fine. MailMate does not save anything outside these locations: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist Lots of things transfer (like mailboxes), but certain things do not. For example, my selection of menubar counter is reset back to default, as well as the selection of keybindings. That should be in this file: ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist You can obtain the current counter settings like this: defaults read com.freron.MailMate MmCounters Maybe MailMate was running when you copied the file? -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Syncing and copy settings between Macs?
Hello! On 27 Jan 2016, at 9:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 27 Jan 2016, at 9:30, Jan Erik Moström wrote: I have three Macs that I use, which currently have different mail accounts. However I want to change this a bit and I wonder if there is a way to sync the settings between Macs. What I would like to sync is basically smart mailboxes, key settings and other settings in the preferences. There is (still) no way to do this. The best you can is to “migrate” settings by copying `.plist` files from/to this folder: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ Note that you must quit MailMate on both machines before doing this. Only copy `Sources.plist`, `Submission.plist`, and `Identities.plist` if you are starting over on the destination machine. Other preferences are stored in this file (like all other OS X applications): ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist You should only copy that file if you are making a clean install. Would it be possible to move the content of the folder ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ in - let's say - ~/Dropbox/Application Support/MailMate/ and then made a (symbolic) link from ~/Dropbox/Application Support/MailMate/ to ~/Library/Application Support? Thanks! Regards, Vlad ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Syncing and copy settings between Macs?
OK, I'll do it manually (they all have different configurations). One question though: On machine A I have some custom keybindings that allows me to quickly tag messages and they work just fine. Now I copied the keybindings to machine B, defined the keywords and then tried to use the keybindings (yes, I've restarted) but nothing seem to happen. Is there something more that needs to be done to get this to work? On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Benny Kjær Nielsen <mailingl...@freron.com> wrote: > On 27 Jan 2016, at 9:30, Jan Erik Moström wrote: > > I have three Macs that I use, which currently have different mail accounts. > However I want to change this a bit and I wonder if there is a way to sync > the settings between Macs. > > What I would like to sync is basically smart mailboxes, key settings and > other settings in the preferences. > > There is (still) no way to do this. The best you can is to “migrate” > settings by copying .plist files from/to this folder: > > ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ > > Note that you must quit MailMate on both machines before doing this. Only > copy Sources.plist, Submission.plist, and Identities.plist if you are > starting over on the destination machine. > > Other preferences are stored in this file (like all other OS X > applications): > > ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist > > You should only copy that file if you are making a clean install. > > -- > Benny > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Migrating to Big Sur
MM now launches and doesn’t quit immediately. When I am asked for accounts passwords, immediately after entering one I get an alert: “MailMate failed to save a file to disk. (/Users/macmini//Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/[myemail address%40gmail@imap.gmail.con/State.plist_backup). Error: no such file or directory.” I copied the files (see below) from my previous daily-functioning MM install on my Sierra boot disk to the new Big Sur drive (the entire MM folder, not by opening the folder and selecting all files and dragging those). Any idea why I’m getting this error? Thanks, Dave macOS 11.3.1 Big Sur MailMate 1.14 - - - > To migrate MailMate from Sierra to Big Sur, I moved these folders to > identical locations on the new hard boot drive by dragging and dropping in > Finder: > > ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate (folder) > > ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist > > All copied. I then downloaded the latest daily MM beta and copied it to the > Applications folder. > > After booting into Big Sur and launching MailMate, MM quit immediately and > Terminal opened and spit out some errors errors. (Terminal purges previous > output on Quit so those are gone for now. I’ll post what I see when I next > boot BS and run MM.) > > Is my process correct? > > Thanks, > Dave ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Where is message flag color information kept?
Benny et al., I'm trying to migrate my mail server at work and have come across something I don't understand. If I mark messages in my work e-mail account (in MailMate) with red/yellow/green etc., MailMate running on my home Mac and my work Mac correctly see the colors. Also, if I run Apple Mail on either my home Mac or my work Mac, they also correctly see the colors on both systems. This made me think at first that the flag color information must be in the filename if not metadata in the message file itself. But if I rsync my Maildirs from my old Ops mail server (Courier) to my new Dev mail server (Postfix+Dovecot), both MailMate and Apple Mail see every flagged message on the new server as being red - all the yellow/green/etc. color differential/subtlety is getting lost somewhere. I verified that the mail message files have the same exact filename, size and checksum on both servers - so clearly the flag color can't be kept in the file or the filename? I don't get it - how do Apple Mail and MailMate know about each other's colors (yes I know MailMate implements Apple Mail's flag setup), but if you copy the message to a different server and it's correctly preserved, the color information is lost? tl;dr: Where do MailMate/Apple Mail store the flag color info for each message? TIA, - Greg ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mail archive tools - best searching
On 2021-08-04 04:38:59 (+0800), Antonio Leding wrote: My inquiry today has to do with the search facilities of the various mail archiving tools out there. Based on my reading of the mailer archives, the following tools seem to get a lot of mention: * Devon * EagleFiler * Mail Steward * Horcrux * Mail Archiver X **As baseline**, I truly love MailMate’s search facility. I find it to be incredibly functional and an essential tool that enables me to easily find emails especially when I have very little search criteria. So MailMate’s search functionality is a minimum requirement for me. **Next - my current setup**: I have a locally installed Dovecot server that is dedicated to archives. This works great and because it is accessible via MailMate, access & searching of archives is essentially the same as for “live” email. And while I do love the consistency, it is not a “must-have” like the search functionality is. **The issue???** Simply put, MailMate is unstable - well, it is for me at least. Despite running various MailMate versions across different Macs & OS versions, MailMate still crashes at least 3-5 times per week. It sounds like your current setup is working well for you and it will probably be easier to fix the instability you're experiencing with MailMate than to migrate to another solution. In my experience, Benny is very responsive to crash reports, even from those of us on this mailing list who have way more email than MailMate was ever designed to handle. Have you tried sending crash reports to Benny? Since it crashes so often, at least the problem should be relatively easy to reproduce, which might make it easier to fix. Philip -- Philip Paeps Senior Reality Engineer Alternative Enterprises ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Monterey
I run Monterey 12.0.1. I don’t have MacOS 12.1, but should I update to 12.1 for better compatibility with MailMate? I looked at the About MailMate window. It said I had 5835 installed. Then I looked at the Updates window. It said I should downgrade to 5637. So I did that. Big mistake apparently. Then that did not recognize my license anymore. Maybe it was out of date. So I paid $49.95 to Freron. And on top of that, I agreed to be a Patron. Then I downloaded a new copy of 5835. (Still haven’t found 5848.) But I can’t install this 5835. I moved all the old MailMate filed to Trash and tried to open 5835, but it still comes up as 5637. What do I need to do? On another subject: Will MailMate ever be able to connect to outlook.com and hotmail.com servers? I have legacy accounts there that receive mail but MailMate hasn’t been able to download that for a year or two now. On 11/21/21, 11:07 AM, "mailmate" wrote:On 19 Nov 2021, at 17:47, Jolin Warren wrote: > I’m about to migrate to a new computer, so will be going through a forced upgrade from Mojave (10.14) to Monterey (12.0). I see that r5848 was posted today. Is this what I should use, and does it work ok with Monterey? Or should I be using the MailMateBigSur.tbz archive (which I think is a release from August)? Based on current feedback, I would recommend r5848. (Hopefully this also means I'm getting closer to making an actual public release, but there are a lot of “minor” issues which still need my attention.) -- Benny___mailmate mailing listmailmate@lists.freron.comhttps://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Archive and Trash not syncing on a fresh install
Hi Claudio, You didn’t mention what computer model or OS you now have. Nor whether you migrated all your settings in MailMate. You do seem to have a quite early version. The most current version of Malmate is 1.14 (in 2011) and the latest, most stable release is r5673, according to the release notes. In the developer’s app history that is a long time ago. Sure you have right? Many aspects of the app have been updated in 1.14 and subsequent build, too numerous to mention here. Maybe others have experience with your version. So that question is open. I do recommend you **migrate your settings** when upgrading to a new computer instead of whatever process you did use (restore from backup, copy, etc.). Since that may no longer be feasible, you may need to reinstall new setting for each IMAP account. Are you still using POP on your server accounts? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 17 Dec 2023, at 6:26, Claudio Ruiz wrote: Hi folks, I got a new computer and installed Mailmate as usual. After connecting the email accounts I have on Fastmail, I realized that when I Archive an email it’s gone from the Inbox in Mailmate, but nothing happens on the server. When I try to Trash a message, is gone on my Inbox in Mailmate, but is still there on the inbox on the server. Basically, it doesn’t sync. What is weird is that on my old notebook, everything works flawlessly using a mirrored configuration. I’m using Version 1.13.2 (5673) Best, C –– Claudio Ruiz ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Strange issue with exchange imap
https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2023/10/31 On 19 Jan 2024, at 11:20, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: The firewall is not blocking anything, running `openssl` on my machine from commandline does connect and I can read emails. So, it is probably not firewall or any connection issue. on another machine with the same settings I do have the same problem with MM. ☹️ So it is not this Mac. I'd have to try with another mail program, need to set that up and try. Best On 19 Jan 2024, at 13:38, Alexandre Takacs wrote: Running any firewall or AV on that machine ? Can you try with a different one (ie MM on anther Mac) ? Best regards On 19 Jan 2024, at 11:48, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: what is frustrating, I can connect without problems using `openssl -clrf -connect HOST:993`. login works, can list everything and read emails... but using MailMate does not work. really strange. On 19 Jan 2024, at 11:26, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: No, not really. The latest one is CU13. On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:26, Alexandre Takacs wrote: Did you install a CU as of late ? Seen some similar issues in the past (but moved to 365 for the better or the worst). On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:13, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: yeah. We still need to migrate to 365, currently it is Exchange2019 onsite.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate —Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Strange issue with exchange imap
The firewall is not blocking anything, running `openssl` on my machine from commandline does connect and I can read emails. So, it is probably not firewall or any connection issue. on another machine with the same settings I do have the same problem with MM. ☹️ So it is not this Mac. I'd have to try with another mail program, need to set that up and try. Best On 19 Jan 2024, at 13:38, Alexandre Takacs wrote: > Running any firewall or AV on that machine ? > > Can you try with a different one (ie MM on anther Mac) ? > > Best regards > > On 19 Jan 2024, at 11:48, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: > >> what is frustrating, I can connect without problems using `openssl -clrf >> -connect HOST:993`. >> >> login works, can list everything and read emails... >> >> but using MailMate does not work. really strange. >> >> On 19 Jan 2024, at 11:26, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: >> >>> No, not really. The latest one is CU13. >>> >>> >>> On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:26, Alexandre Takacs wrote: >>> >>>> Did you install a CU as of late ? Seen some similar issues in the past >>>> (but moved to 365 for the better or the worst). >>>> >>>> On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:13, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: >>>> >>>>> yeah. We still need to migrate to 365, currently it is Exchange2019 >>>>> onsite.___ >>>> mailmate mailing list >>>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Using Gmail
If you have a lot of legacy e-mail in a Gmail account, then I certainly understand that MailMate support for Gmail labels would be helpful. But it sounds like you recently moved to Gmail. In that case, make sure that you take a close look at MailMate's smart mailboxes, at at tags. For instance, I used labels on Gmail for messages related to a particular business line. But in MailMate I'm able to cover that with an (admittedly super complex) smart mailbox that doesn't take any maintenance on my part. (The mailbox picks up on e-mail domains, names, keywords in the mail body, etc.) (In a worst case scenario, if a few things fall through the cracks, you can pick them up in the smart mailbox by adding an ANY ... tag = [___] in there at the end of the conditions and manually apply tags. Tags are pretty much labels, but they don't map back and forth to Gmail. After getting things set up, however, you really never need to log into the Gmail web interface. It's a nice web app, but in theory you've made the decision to go with a Mac-side client, perhaps because you have a bunch of different accounts to track. So in that case, who cares if the Gmail app doesn't show the tags as labels if you're not using the web app? (A question I just thought of: Are MailMate tags transferred up to IMAP servers and then down again to, for instance, another MailMate installation on another Macintosh? To non-MailMate IMAP clients?) On 16 May 2014, at 18:38, Alasdair Muckart wrote: Thanks Gary, I completely understand the design decisions behind MailMate, and Google's strange not-quite-IMAP implementation. The reality though is that Gmail (and GIMAP) actually work *really* well, and recent comments made me wonder if there was more label-compatibility coming in MM. On 16 May 2014 at 8:13:44 pm, Gary Hull (yh82d7...@yandex.com) wrote: My impression is that MailMate doesn't deal well with Gmail by design, and there's no plan to natively support Gmail. MailMate is a standards-based e-mail client that follows the various IMAP RFCs. Gmail uses an undocumented proprietary fork/hack of IMAP (GIMAP). There's only one developer for MailMate, and he has to prioritize. In addition, Google could change things at any time and break MailMate, and given the rumors that the results of the Sparrow acquisition are about to bear fruit, it seems like it's in Google's interest to encourage Gmail users to migrate to Google's own PC-side client, rather than use other clients, so if, oops!, stuff accidentally starts to break in other clients that try to support GIMAP, hey, that's the way the cookie crumbles. However, in the MailMate documentation there are hacks given for those who must use Gmail, the first of which is Don't use labels, the second of which is If you do you use labels use one and only one label for every each and every e-mail, and the third of which is If you must use labels as tags and put more than one on each e-mail, get used to a lot of duplicated e-mails, because GIMAP presents labels as separate folders to connecting IMAP clients. On 16 May 2014, at 16:28, Alasdair Muckart wrote: Hi all, For various reasons I've had to migrate all of my email out of the 'normal' (courier) IMAP server I was using over to Google (apps for business). The current documentation seems to indicate that MM still doesn't deal too well with Gmail and labels, and with my current setup I really need the labels in Gmail. For the moment I'm using Airmail which is nice and fast and seems to handle gmails quirks Ok, but doesn't locally cache mail and is having some issues actually finding all 270-odd thousand messages I have. I'd very much like to keep using MailMate, so I'm interested in what the options are for setting it up with Gmail in a way that'll allow me to keep my label setup. Thanks. -- Alasdair Muckart | William de Wyke | http://wherearetheelves.net There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin, 1819-1900. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Alasdair Muckart | William de Wyke | http://wherearetheelves.net There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin, 1819-1900. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Fastmail and Runbox: trying to choose
Hey All, I switched to Fastmail a few years ago and the switch was painless. It was trivial to import my existing email using their tools. Here are my thoughts on what both of you have mentioned so far: - With regard to the limitations on tags, I can't really say since I don't use all that many. For the few that I do use I haven't yet hit any snags. - Server side filtering used to be WAY more powerful, but I suppose they realised that it was overly complex for the majority of users and therefore simplified it. So, it doesn't seem like you'd be able to tag incoming messages server side. You can however create rules to move mails to specific folders or forward to an alias used for your bills etc. - Spam protection is top notch. I've disabled it for now since I was doing some tests with SpamSieve but when it was active, I don't recall ever receiving spam mail. I did have to whitelist one or two, but it learnt real quick. - Since I have a grandfathered account, there are some of the newer features I can't test reliably, but from what you describe about your setup, it shouldn't be hard to create the users you need as your needs change; - Push works incredibly well. When it was released, I did a few tests. iPhone by my side and MailMate open. Changed or deleted an email in Mailmate and the sync was almost immediate. - CALdav and CARDdav are a plus, even if you just use them as a backup of iCloud calendar and contacts ;) Do let me know if you would like me to perform any further tests, I'd be happy to help, and if you do decide to go with Fastmail and would like to, you can use my [referral link](https://www.fastmail.com/?STKI=12019021) to sign up. You'll get 10% discount on the first year. Cheers, Pedro Lobo On 13 Apr 2017, at 17:04, Eric A. Meyer wrote: Hello all, I'm set on moving my personal domain's email, which is managed by a third party on an ad-hoc basis, to either Fastmail or Runbox. I was hoping the wisdom of this especially smart crowd could help me decide which is better suited to my situation, or for that matter what I need to think about that I'm not. I have my primary email account, this one, and a few aliases that funnel to it. My wife and daughter also have their own accounts (one each), and my son will need one soon. I suspect my daughter will just have all her mail forwarded to GMail, at least for the time being. My wife and I each use MailMate. I do use IMAP tags on my mail. Currently I have a total of 27. I'm not planning on adding more any time soon. I don't mind at all writing server-side rules and filters to pre-screen anything that gets through to the inbox. I'd be very interested in writing server-side actions to IMAP-tag mail the instant it arrives, so that (for example) I could auto-tag credit card bill notifications, payment confirmations, and suchlike. Both my account and my wife's account get joe-jobbed on a semi-regular basis-- a pitfall of having ancient, public addresses. I'd love to have a service that detected and suppressed the bounce floods that result, without me having to write rules to do so. (I can write those rules, in fact have written them in the past, but I'd rather not have to do it again.) I don't plan to use a web-based mail interface since I already have MailMate, but having a good one is a plus for those times I might need one. I don't intend to migrate calendars off of iCloud, at least at this point, since that's working well enough for the family at this stage. I don't use cloud-based notes in general, so that's not a needed service either. For the future, I do have email on a completely separate domain, again administered ad-hoc by the aforementioned third party. I might want to migrate it over as well. I've read the documentation for both Fastmail and Runbox, checked out some past articles and podcasts, and used MailMate to trawl through past posts about both companies here on the list. Both seem like they'd be solid choices, but is there anything about what I've described that seems like a roadblock to one or the other? Or that heavily favors one over the other? -- Eric A. Meyer - http://meyerweb.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Archive and Trash not syncing on a fresh install
Hi Henry, thanks for your attention on this. I already checked that and it’s all OK. Actually, I have a work account on the same provider and that account works perfectly. I don’t really know what else to debug to understand what is happening. –– Claudio Ruiz On 17 Dec 2023, at 12:33, Henry Seiden wrote: Claudia, Thanks for filling the details. Think I got you now. Maybe it would be easier, then, to have a look at your source mailbox assignments in MM on each of your IMAP accounts to be sure that the folders for Trash and Archive are designated as such in MM. Inbox and outbox are usually defaults and I guess are working as expected. In my case I assign a yearly folder for archive purposes, so the common folder in MM Called Archive can gather all together in that Smart Folder by default. I do nothing further to achieve these common folders in MM: InBox, Sent Messages, Junk, Deleted Messages. Yours probably have been somehow reset for those two folders in several accounts, at least. Have a look in your Sources list of mailboxes - click the ‘>’ and select one mailbox (probably either Archive, Trash/Deleted messages or what ever mailbox you choose to be those function on the account). Right click (CTL + click) the name of the mailbox to change, scroll in the popup list to Mailbox Type. Make sure the checkmark is set to Archive if not then click it. Rinse and repeat for the appropriate mailboxes in each account. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 17 Dec 2023, at 10:09, Claudio Ruiz wrote: Hello! It’s a MacBook Air M2 (Sonoma 14.2). I didn’t migrate anything but my Mailboxes.plist. I’m OK with having a fresh start, but I can’t find why neither archiving or trashing works. I’m not sure there’s something to do with versions. I upgraded it to Version 1.14 (5937) but the same happens. I’m using IMAP such as in my office computer (where I also use Mailmate with no issue) and in my old laptop. It’s really strange, because I’m doing a fresh install from scratch. –– Claudio Ruiz On 17 Dec 2023, at 9:34, Henry Seiden wrote: Hi Claudio, You didn’t mention what computer model or OS you now have. Nor whether you migrated all your settings in MailMate. You do seem to have a quite early version. The most current version of Malmate is 1.14 (in 2011) and the latest, most stable release is r5673, according to the release notes. In the developer’s app history that is a long time ago. Sure you have right? Many aspects of the app have been updated in 1.14 and subsequent build, too numerous to mention here. Maybe others have experience with your version. So that question is open. I do recommend you **migrate your settings** when upgrading to a new computer instead of whatever process you did use (restore from backup, copy, etc.). Since that may no longer be feasible, you may need to reinstall new setting for each IMAP account. Are you still using POP on your server accounts? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 17 Dec 2023, at 6:26, Claudio Ruiz wrote: Hi folks, I got a new computer and installed Mailmate as usual. After connecting the email accounts I have on Fastmail, I realized that when I Archive an email it’s gone from the Inbox in Mailmate, but nothing happens on the server. When I try to Trash a message, is gone on my Inbox in Mailmate, but is still there on the inbox on the server. Basically, it doesn’t sync. What is weird is that on my old notebook, everything works flawlessly using a mirrored configuration. I’m using Version 1.13.2 (5673) Best, C –– Claudio Ruiz ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Archive and Trash not syncing on a fresh install
Claudio, Is the moved to Trash message still findable in the All Messages smart folder? - -Please excuse the tttapping errors... Sent from my iPhoneC/T (954) 253-4125Henry M. SeidenTechworks ProOn Dec 17, 2023, at 11:36, Claudio Ruiz wrote: Hi Henry, thanks for your attention on this. I already checked that and it’s all OK. Actually, I have a work account on the same provider and that account works perfectly. I don’t really know what else to debug to understand what is happening. –– Claudio Ruiz On 17 Dec 2023, at 12:33, Henry Seiden wrote: Claudia, Thanks for filling the details. Think I got you now. Maybe it would be easier, then, to have a look at your source mailbox assignments in MM on each of your IMAP accounts to be sure that the folders for Trash and Archive are designated as such in MM. Inbox and outbox are usually defaults and I guess are working as expected. In my case I assign a yearly folder for archive purposes, so the common folder in MM Called Archive can gather all together in that Smart Folder by default. I do nothing further to achieve these common folders in MM: InBox, Sent Messages, Junk, Deleted Messages. Yours probably have been somehow reset for those two folders in several accounts, at least. Have a look in your Sources list of mailboxes - click the ‘>’ and select one mailbox (probably either Archive, Trash/Deleted messages or what ever mailbox you choose to be those function on the account). Right click (CTL + click) the name of the mailbox to change, scroll in the popup list to Mailbox Type. Make sure the checkmark is set to Archive if not then click it. Rinse and repeat for the appropriate mailboxes in each account. Respectfully, Henry Seiden Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 17 Dec 2023, at 10:09, Claudio Ruiz wrote: Hello! It’s a MacBook Air M2 (Sonoma 14.2). I didn’t migrate anything but my Mailboxes.plist. I’m OK with having a fresh start, but I can’t find why neither archiving or trashing works. I’m not sure there’s something to do with versions. I upgraded it to Version 1.14 (5937) but the same happens. I’m using IMAP such as in my office computer (where I also use Mailmate with no issue) and in my old laptop. It’s really strange, because I’m doing a fresh install from scratch. –– Claudio Ruiz On 17 Dec 2023, at 9:34, Henry Seiden wrote: Hi Claudio, You didn’t mention what computer model or OS you now have. Nor whether you migrated all your settings in MailMate. You do seem to have a quite early version. The most current version of Malmate is 1.14 (in 2011) and the latest, most stable release is r5673, according to the release notes. In the developer’s app history that is a long time ago. Sure you have right? Many aspects of the app have been updated in 1.14 and subsequent build, too numerous to mention here. Maybe others have experience with your version. So that question is open. I do recommend you migrate your settings when upgrading to a new computer instead of whatever process you did use (restore from backup, copy, etc.). Since that may no longer be feasible, you may need to reinstall new setting for each IMAP account. Are you still using POP on your server accounts? Respectfully, Henry Seiden Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 17 Dec 2023, at 6:26, Claudio Ruiz wrote: Hi folks, I got a new computer and installed Mailmate as usual. After connecting the email accounts I have on Fastmail, I realized that when I Archive an email it’s gone from the Inbox in Mailmate, but nothing happens on the server. When I try to Trash a message, is gone on my Inbox in Mailmate, but is still there on the inbox on the server. Basically, it doesn’t sync. What is weird is that on my old notebook, everything works flawlessly using a mirrored configuration. I’m using Version 1.13.2 (5673) Best, C –– Claudio Ruiz mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___mailmate mailing listmailmate@lists.freron.comhttps://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Archive and Trash not syncing on a fresh install
Claudia, Thanks for filling the details. Think I got you now. Maybe it would be easier, then, to have a look at your source mailbox assignments in MM on each of your IMAP accounts to be sure that the folders for Trash and Archive are designated as such in MM. Inbox and outbox are usually defaults and I guess are working as expected. In my case I assign a yearly folder for archive purposes, so the common folder in MM Called Archive can gather all together in that Smart Folder by default. I do nothing further to achieve these common folders in MM: InBox, Sent Messages, Junk, Deleted Messages. Yours probably have been somehow reset for those two folders in several accounts, at least. Have a look in your Sources list of mailboxes - click the ‘>’ and select one mailbox (probably either Archive, Trash/Deleted messages or what ever mailbox you choose to be those function on the account). Right click (CTL + click) the name of the mailbox to change, scroll in the popup list to Mailbox Type. Make sure the checkmark is set to Archive if not then click it. Rinse and repeat for the appropriate mailboxes in each account. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 17 Dec 2023, at 10:09, Claudio Ruiz wrote: Hello! It’s a MacBook Air M2 (Sonoma 14.2). I didn’t migrate anything but my Mailboxes.plist. I’m OK with having a fresh start, but I can’t find why neither archiving or trashing works. I’m not sure there’s something to do with versions. I upgraded it to Version 1.14 (5937) but the same happens. I’m using IMAP such as in my office computer (where I also use Mailmate with no issue) and in my old laptop. It’s really strange, because I’m doing a fresh install from scratch. –– Claudio Ruiz On 17 Dec 2023, at 9:34, Henry Seiden wrote: Hi Claudio, You didn’t mention what computer model or OS you now have. Nor whether you migrated all your settings in MailMate. You do seem to have a quite early version. The most current version of Malmate is 1.14 (in 2011) and the latest, most stable release is r5673, according to the release notes. In the developer’s app history that is a long time ago. Sure you have right? Many aspects of the app have been updated in 1.14 and subsequent build, too numerous to mention here. Maybe others have experience with your version. So that question is open. I do recommend you **migrate your settings** when upgrading to a new computer instead of whatever process you did use (restore from backup, copy, etc.). Since that may no longer be feasible, you may need to reinstall new setting for each IMAP account. Are you still using POP on your server accounts? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 17 Dec 2023, at 6:26, Claudio Ruiz wrote: Hi folks, I got a new computer and installed Mailmate as usual. After connecting the email accounts I have on Fastmail, I realized that when I Archive an email it’s gone from the Inbox in Mailmate, but nothing happens on the server. When I try to Trash a message, is gone on my Inbox in Mailmate, but is still there on the inbox on the server. Basically, it doesn’t sync. What is weird is that on my old notebook, everything works flawlessly using a mirrored configuration. I’m using Version 1.13.2 (5673) Best, C –– Claudio Ruiz ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] will MailMate be a good mail mate for me?
Robert Brenstein 2016-06-10 9:24 wrote: I suspect that there are a number of ex-Eudora users here. I'm sure there are a number of them, I myself used Eudora for 15 years. Eudora was good for its time, MailMate is truly excellent. Killer features for me are smart folders and custom keybindings. So, will MailMate be a good mail client for me? If you are willing to take advantage of IMAP, smart folders etc. and spend time to find out all the cool stuff Mail Mate can do it should work beautifully for you. If you want to exactly mimic your current way of handling e-mail I don't think you will find anything that works well. IMAP offers no true benefit for me You really should switch to IMAP regardless of if you pick MailMate. Even if you don't need to access mail on multiple devices (yet) IMAP have other advantages. * All your mail are in at least two places, IMAP-server and mail client. * Makes it easy to switch mail client, no need to migrate mails. You will need to get an e-mail provider with enough space for all your mail if you don't have one already. All incoming messages are sorted out by filters into close to 300 mailboxes. What is left in the inbox is some junk that sneaked thru spam filters and a few misc messages. I used to sort mails in many real folders with many rules. With MailMate I just dump everything in Archive after handling it (manually or via rules). I then use MailMates smart folders (really smart) to organise them to my liking. Smart folders are really saved searches but they feel just like folders. The big advantage with smart folders for me are that mail can be in multiple folders at the same time. It's also quick and easy to reorganise since you just change some searches and there are no need to actually move mail around. It seems that MailMate does not support local mailboxes, that is having mail copied off the server to my computer. All mail will be on the IMAP-server *and* a copy will be in MailMate (or most other IMAP clients you use). When you search etc. MailMate can do all that locally and it's really fast even with huge mail volumes. Fredrik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Migrating to Big Sur
On 2021-05-11 at 12:27:29 UTC-0400 (Tue, 11 May 2021 09:27:29 -0700) davecc is rumored to have said: MM now launches and doesn’t quit immediately. When I am asked for accounts passwords, immediately after entering one I get an alert: “MailMate failed to save a file to disk. (/Users/macmini//Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/[myemail address%40gmail@imap.gmail.con/State.plist_backup). Error: no such file or directory.” I copied the files (see below) from my previous daily-functioning MM install on my Sierra boot disk to the new Big Sur drive (the entire MM folder, not by opening the folder and selecting all files and dragging those). Any idea why I’m getting this error? Most likely because ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages is (usually?) a symbolic link which points to the absolute full pathname of your actual message store and that path does not exist on the new system. If you had a "Custom Location" set for the Messages folder (in Preferences->General) you may be able to fix the problem by switching it off, restarting MM, and switching it back on. If you didn't have that set, you can recreate the default symlink with: ln -sfn ~/Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/Messages.noindex ~/Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/Messages Thanks, Dave macOS 11.3.1 Big Sur MailMate 1.14 - - - To migrate MailMate from Sierra to Big Sur, I moved these folders to identical locations on the new hard boot drive by dragging and dropping in Finder: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate (folder) ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist All copied. I then downloaded the latest daily MM beta and copied it to the Applications folder. After booting into Big Sur and launching MailMate, MM quit immediately and Terminal opened and spit out some errors errors. (Terminal purges previous output on Quit so those are gone for now. I’ll post what I see when I next boot BS and run MM.) Is my process correct? If you had a "Custom Location" set for the Messages folder on the old system, that copy missed all of your messages. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Where is message flag color information kept?
On 2021-07-15 20:25:41 (+0800), Greg Earle wrote: I'm trying to migrate my mail server at work and have come across something I don't understand. If I mark messages in my work e-mail account (in MailMate) with red/yellow/green etc., MailMate running on my home Mac and my work Mac correctly see the colors. Also, if I run Apple Mail on either my home Mac or my work Mac, they also correctly see the colors on both systems. This made me think at first that the flag color information must be in the filename if not metadata in the message file itself. But if I rsync my Maildirs from my old Ops mail server (Courier) to my new Dev mail server (Postfix+Dovecot), both MailMate and Apple Mail see every flagged message on the new server as being red - all the yellow/green/etc. color differential/subtlety is getting lost somewhere. I verified that the mail message files have the same exact filename, size and checksum on both servers - so clearly the flag color can't be kept in the file or the filename? I don't get it - how do Apple Mail and MailMate know about each other's colors (yes I know MailMate implements Apple Mail's flag setup), but if you copy the message to a different server and it's correctly preserved, the color information is lost? tl;dr: Where do MailMate/Apple Mail store the flag color info for each message? Both MailMate and Apple Mail store their flags as IMAP keywords. Apparently they agree on which keywords to use for which colours. Dovecot stores the keywords as letters in the filename and uses a dovecot-keywords file in the Maildir to map those letters to IMAP keywords. Courier stores the keywords in a file per flagged message in a courierimapkeywords directory in the Maildir. https://doc.dovecot.org/admin_manual/mailbox_formats/maildir/ http://www.courier-mta.org/imap/README.imapkeywords.html Both implementations set \Flagged, so without further information, you'll see the generic colour flag on the messages you rsynced. You'll have to construct a dovecot-keywords file from the courierimapkeywords to get the colours back. I once wrote a script to do something very similar to this ... but I don't seem to have it anymore. I don't remember it being very difficult to write though. I hope this helps. Philip -- Philip Paeps Senior Reality Engineer Alternative Enterprises ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Fwd: MailMate and Monterey
I’ve now been able to download and install MailMate v1.14 (5844), so the worst of the problem stated below is now fixed. Still hoping that MM can at some point connect to those 2 Microsoft mail servers. What’s the problem? Forwarded message: From: t.bartl...@me.com To: MailMate Users Subject: Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Monterey Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 06:08:04 -0800 I run Monterey 12.0.1. I don’t have MacOS 12.1, but should I update to 12.1 for better compatibility with MailMate? I looked at the About MailMate window. It said I had 5835 installed. Then I looked at the Updates window. It said I should downgrade to 5637. So I did that. Big mistake apparently. Then that did not recognize my license anymore. Maybe it was out of date. So I paid $49.95 to Freron. And on top of that, I agreed to be a Patron. Then I downloaded a new copy of 5835. (Still haven’t found 5848.) But I can’t install this 5835. I moved all the old MailMate filed to Trash and tried to open 5835, but it still comes up as 5637. What do I need to do? On another subject: Will MailMate ever be able to connect to outlook.com and hotmail.com servers? I have legacy accounts there that receive mail but MailMate hasn’t been able to download that for a year or two now. On 11/21/21, 11:07 AM, "mailmate" wrote: On 19 Nov 2021, at 17:47, Jolin Warren wrote: I’m about to migrate to a new computer, so will be going through a forced upgrade from Mojave (10.14) to Monterey (12.0). I see that r5848 was posted today. Is this what I should use, and does it work ok with Monterey? Or should I be using the MailMateBigSur.tbz archive (which I think is a release from August)? Based on current feedback, I would recommend r5848. (Hopefully this also means I'm getting closer to making an actual public release, but there are a lot of “minor” issues which still need my attention.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Moving settings to a new computer from an existing installation
Thanks, John, I thought that it would migrate my accounts as well, but alas, no. Nor will it use any accounts installed in OS as “Internet accounts.” I guess you found that or automatically did that process. Respectfully, Henry Seiden Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 19 Feb 2022, at 14:22, John Purnell wrote: I just completed this successfully yesterday. I followed the instructions at the bottom of the respective manual page: https://manual.mailmate-app.com/rebuild before I opened MailMate (which I had previously updated to the latest beta build for Monterey). I then opened MailMate, manually synced all mailboxes, and waited for all the messages to download. After that I added my licence and checked the preferences as I moved from Mojave to Monterey (can't remember if I had to adjust any). This is the second time I've done this since using MailMate and the previous time was also effortless--a testament to Benny. On 2022-02-20, at 06:06 +1300, Henry Seiden wrote: Had no success moving IMAP accounts/settings from an existing installation to a new computer. So, importing accounts from scratch (actually exporting them is impossible because that functionality doesn’t seem to exist on the new computer. Tried copying my account setting (Users>username>Library…) which didn’t move any accounts. Tops on my list of new/workable features is to move all settings (account settings, MM options, installed features) en masse by copy or export/import in Finder or MM, from a working installation of MM to a new computer, in the case of a clean install onto the same computer, or a different one from a file backup. MailMate clean install’s just fine by itself but all features, IMAP accounts and settings now need to be individually installed. The feature called Import Accounts contains nothing in the new installation and can’t use accounts created on the System (System Preferences>Accounts) or in another app (like Mail.app), unless they are appear installed in MailMate. That seems weird. Tried it on a new Beta (12.3) OS installation that had Mail.app accounts already logged in on that app, but the accounts installed there were not visible in MM, but some are visible as choices in the old, previous version(?). Respectfully, Henry Seiden Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Strange issue with exchange imap
I finally could test it with another mailprogram - and it shows the same issue! So it is not MailMate - sorry to bother you. But I am a bit confused on how to solve that. This is strange... Thanks, Stephan On 19 Jan 2024, at 17:20, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: > The firewall is not blocking anything, running `openssl` on my machine from > commandline does connect and I can read emails. > > So, it is probably not firewall or any connection issue. > > on another machine with the same settings I do have the same problem with MM. > ☹️ So it is not this Mac. > > I'd have to try with another mail program, need to set that up and try. > > Best > > On 19 Jan 2024, at 13:38, Alexandre Takacs wrote: > >> Running any firewall or AV on that machine ? >> >> Can you try with a different one (ie MM on anther Mac) ? >> >> Best regards >> >> On 19 Jan 2024, at 11:48, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: >> >>> what is frustrating, I can connect without problems using `openssl -clrf >>> -connect HOST:993`. >>> >>> login works, can list everything and read emails... >>> >>> but using MailMate does not work. really strange. >>> >>> On 19 Jan 2024, at 11:26, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: >>> >>>> No, not really. The latest one is CU13. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:26, Alexandre Takacs wrote: >>>> >>>>> Did you install a CU as of late ? Seen some similar issues in the past >>>>> (but moved to 365 for the better or the worst). >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Jan 2024, at 9:13, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> yeah. We still need to migrate to 365, currently it is Exchange2019 >>>>>> onsite.___ >>>>> mailmate mailing list >>>>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>>>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ >>>> mailmate mailing list >>>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize
I have spent almost 3 weeks trying to migrate to MailMate but unfortunately there is something wrong. This past weekend I submitted several crash dumps, just in case anyone here can check those. Sending a message here is my last hope so here goes. 1. I use Thunderbird now. It works for me just fine although it has one issue I've learned to accept. I was hoping to get past this issue with MailMate, especially given the high recommendations it gets. I've used MacOS Mail before but with Yosemite that stopped working with Google Apps. Mail tried to be too smart and it failed miserably but that's a separate discussion. 2. I have 4 IMAP accounts, 2 of which are Google Apps based. The first time I tried a migration I just imported all 4 accounts using MailMate and let it go to work. This never worked. It would crash if I ever tried to use it while it was synchronizing. So, I bailed, removed the accounts and started over with just one. 3. MailMate worked great when I imported 1 account. I used it for a week and was finally getting used to the changes when I decided to import another account. 4. Importing the second account has never worked. a. MM crashes randomly. I have submitted some of the crash reports I encountered though not all. b. MM never sticks the default columns. I always have to revert a display to the default columns. This randomly causes crashes. c. Switching mailboxes randomly causes crashes. d. Synchronizing has never completed on the second mailbox. The account always shows a spinning wheel. I have removed and restarted the import several times. I removed MM and reinstalled once. I let the synchronizing run with an otherwise idle laptop for almost 3 days over a weekend and it never ended. When I look at the activity window it is actively stepping through messages on this one account. e. Oddly, the header line of Trial day # of 30 randomly shows it is day 3, 4, 5, or 6, always. As I said, I'm almost at the end of 3 weeks now. f. The mailbox in question is 1/5 the size of the first mailbox. The first mailbox has almost 100,000 messages in it total. This mailbox has less than 15,000. I'm willing to start this process one more time if anyone happens to have a specific suggestion on steps I could take to better monitor the problem and see specifically what is going wrong. I'm also wondering if submitting crash dumps is actually helpful. I'm willing to believe there might be something about my laptop given that MM has so much success with so many people but I'm at a loss to know what that is. This is a work laptop so it only has what it expressly needs loaded on it. Any thoughts from anyone? Jim ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Moving settings to a new computer from an existing installation
Henry, the procedure I described did bring in my all my accounts. The only input from me during the entire process was that I got prompted for new application specific passwords for those accounts that are protected by 2FA on the initial manually initiated sync (my default). Once I created those and inserted them in the dialog boxes the messages from those accounts started to get downloaded. I then left MailMate alone and did other stuff until the sync completed (some time). I then reconciled the mailbox message counts against the old computer (identical). I think an important step on the new machine is not to open MailMate before you do the migration described in the manual, or if you have, to: close MailMate, delete its Application Support folder and the preference list, follow the migration procedure and only then open MailMate. Good luck. On 2022-02-20, at 09:02 +1300, Henry Seiden wrote: > Thanks, John, > > I thought that it would migrate my accounts as well, but alas, no. Nor will > it use any accounts installed in OS as “Internet accounts.” I guess you found > that or automatically did that process. > > Respectfully, > > Henry Seiden > > Techworks Pro Co. > E: infotechworksprocom > W: http://techworkspro.com > > On 19 Feb 2022, at 14:22, John Purnell wrote: > >> I just completed this successfully yesterday. I followed the instructions at >> the bottom of the respective manual page: >> https://manual.mailmate-app.com/rebuild before I opened MailMate (which I >> had previously updated to the latest beta build for Monterey). I then opened >> MailMate, manually synced all mailboxes, and waited for all the messages to >> download. After that I added my licence and checked the preferences as I >> moved from Mojave to Monterey (can't remember if I had to adjust any). This >> is the second time I've done this since using MailMate and the previous time >> was also effortless--a testament to Benny. >> >> >> On 2022-02-20, at 06:06 +1300, Henry Seiden wrote: >> >>> Had no success moving IMAP accounts/settings from an existing installation >>> to a new computer. So, importing accounts from scratch (actually exporting >>> them is impossible because that functionality doesn’t seem to exist on the >>> new computer. Tried copying my account setting (Users>username>Library…) >>> which didn’t move any accounts. >>> >>> Tops on my list of new/workable features is to move all settings (account >>> settings, MM options, installed features) en masse by copy or export/import >>> in Finder or MM, from a working installation of MM to a new computer, in >>> the case of a clean install onto the same computer, or a different one from >>> a file backup. >>> >>> MailMate clean install’s just fine by itself but all features, IMAP >>> accounts and settings now need to be individually installed. >>> >>> The feature called Import Accounts contains nothing in the new installation >>> and can’t use accounts created on the System (System Preferences>Accounts) >>> or in another app (like Mail.app), unless they are appear installed in >>> MailMate. That seems weird. Tried it on a new Beta (12.3) OS installation >>> that had Mail.app accounts already logged in on that app, but the accounts >>> installed there were not visible in MM, but some are visible as choices in >>> the old, previous version(?). >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> Henry Seiden >>> >>> Techworks Pro Co. >>> E: infotechworksprocom >>> W: http://techworkspro.com >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Moving settings to a new computer from an existing installation
Henry, the procedure I described did bring in my all my accounts. The only input from me during the entire process was that I got prompted for new application specific passwords for those accounts that are protected by 2FA on the initial manually initiated sync (my default). Once I created those and inserted them in the dialog boxes the messages from those accounts started to get downloaded. I then left MailMate alone and did other stuff until the sync completed (some time). I then reconciled the mailbox message counts against the old computer (identical). I think an important step on the new machine is not to open MailMate before you do the migration described in the manual, or if you have, to: close MailMate, delete its Application Support folder and the preference list, follow the migration procedure and only then open MailMate. Good luck. On 2022-02-20, at 09:02 +1300, Henry Seiden wrote: > Thanks, John, > > I thought that it would migrate my accounts as well, but alas, no. Nor will > it use any accounts installed in OS as “Internet accounts.” I guess you found > that or automatically did that process. > > Respectfully, > > Henry Seiden > > Techworks Pro Co. > E: infotechworksprocom > W: http://techworkspro.com > > On 19 Feb 2022, at 14:22, John Purnell wrote: > >> I just completed this successfully yesterday. I followed the instructions at >> the bottom of the respective manual page: >> https://manual.mailmate-app.com/rebuild before I opened MailMate (which I >> had previously updated to the latest beta build for Monterey). I then opened >> MailMate, manually synced all mailboxes, and waited for all the messages to >> download. After that I added my licence and checked the preferences as I >> moved from Mojave to Monterey (can't remember if I had to adjust any). This >> is the second time I've done this since using MailMate and the previous time >> was also effortless--a testament to Benny. >> >> >> On 2022-02-20, at 06:06 +1300, Henry Seiden wrote: >> >>> Had no success moving IMAP accounts/settings from an existing installation >>> to a new computer. So, importing accounts from scratch (actually exporting >>> them is impossible because that functionality doesn’t seem to exist on the >>> new computer. Tried copying my account setting (Users>username>Library…) >>> which didn’t move any accounts. >>> >>> Tops on my list of new/workable features is to move all settings (account >>> settings, MM options, installed features) en masse by copy or export/import >>> in Finder or MM, from a working installation of MM to a new computer, in >>> the case of a clean install onto the same computer, or a different one from >>> a file backup. >>> >>> MailMate clean install’s just fine by itself but all features, IMAP >>> accounts and settings now need to be individually installed. >>> >>> The feature called Import Accounts contains nothing in the new installation >>> and can’t use accounts created on the System (System Preferences>Accounts) >>> or in another app (like Mail.app), unless they are appear installed in >>> MailMate. That seems weird. Tried it on a new Beta (12.3) OS installation >>> that had Mail.app accounts already logged in on that app, but the accounts >>> installed there were not visible in MM, but some are visible as choices in >>> the old, previous version(?). >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> Henry Seiden >>> >>> Techworks Pro Co. >>> E: infotechworksprocom >>> W: http://techworkspro.com >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize
Hi Jim! I use MailMate with gmail and IMAP mailboxes, five accounts total, with somewhere in the region of 5 million messages between them and something like 25,000 in the combined inbox. I have experienced none of the problems you describe. I mention this not to call you a liar :-) but rather because perhaps it points to a problem somewhere else in your environment; I'm running the latest yosemite on an 11 macbook air, installed from scratch (no upgrades or transfers from any previous laptop or OS). If the history of the OS on your machine is more extensive than that, perhaps there's some old cruft that is causing your problems. Worth a look, anyway if you want to try harder with MailMate. I used Mail.app before Mailmate, and only stopped because I have too much mail for Mail.app to be able to thread properly. I gather this is a known issue with the hash function used to index messages, but having been through multiple point and major releases of OS X waiting for a fix, I finally gave up and switched. MailMate doesn't suffer from that problem, and now that I'm used to it I can't imagine switching back even if Apple's mail team got their act together. I've never been able to stand thunderbird. It has too much of the stench of GNU about it, with the attendant disastrous design-by-engineer/late-90s-X-windows design aesthetic. :-) Joe On 13 May 2015, at 11:07, James Galvin wrote: I have spent almost 3 weeks trying to migrate to MailMate but unfortunately there is something wrong. This past weekend I submitted several crash dumps, just in case anyone here can check those. Sending a message here is my last hope so here goes. 1. I use Thunderbird now. It works for me just fine although it has one issue I've learned to accept. I was hoping to get past this issue with MailMate, especially given the high recommendations it gets. I've used MacOS Mail before but with Yosemite that stopped working with Google Apps. Mail tried to be too smart and it failed miserably but that's a separate discussion. 2. I have 4 IMAP accounts, 2 of which are Google Apps based. The first time I tried a migration I just imported all 4 accounts using MailMate and let it go to work. This never worked. It would crash if I ever tried to use it while it was synchronizing. So, I bailed, removed the accounts and started over with just one. 3. MailMate worked great when I imported 1 account. I used it for a week and was finally getting used to the changes when I decided to import another account. 4. Importing the second account has never worked. a. MM crashes randomly. I have submitted some of the crash reports I encountered though not all. b. MM never sticks the default columns. I always have to revert a display to the default columns. This randomly causes crashes. c. Switching mailboxes randomly causes crashes. d. Synchronizing has never completed on the second mailbox. The account always shows a spinning wheel. I have removed and restarted the import several times. I removed MM and reinstalled once. I let the synchronizing run with an otherwise idle laptop for almost 3 days over a weekend and it never ended. When I look at the activity window it is actively stepping through messages on this one account. e. Oddly, the header line of Trial day # of 30 randomly shows it is day 3, 4, 5, or 6, always. As I said, I'm almost at the end of 3 weeks now. f. The mailbox in question is 1/5 the size of the first mailbox. The first mailbox has almost 100,000 messages in it total. This mailbox has less than 15,000. I'm willing to start this process one more time if anyone happens to have a specific suggestion on steps I could take to better monitor the problem and see specifically what is going wrong. I'm also wondering if submitting crash dumps is actually helpful. I'm willing to believe there might be something about my laptop given that MM has so much success with so many people but I'm at a loss to know what that is. This is a work laptop so it only has what it expressly needs loaded on it. Any thoughts from anyone? Jim ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize
Hi Joe! I hear you! I'm as surprised as you are, especially given that it worked perfectly with the one account. I'm wondering if there's something in a message or folder in the one account that sets it off. However, I don't know how to find this. Jim On 5/13/15 12:12 PM, Joe Abley wrote: Hi Jim! I use MailMate with gmail and IMAP mailboxes, five accounts total, with somewhere in the region of 5 million messages between them and something like 25,000 in the combined inbox. I have experienced none of the problems you describe. I mention this not to call you a liar :-) but rather because perhaps it points to a problem somewhere else in your environment; I'm running the latest yosemite on an 11 macbook air, installed from scratch (no upgrades or transfers from any previous laptop or OS). If the history of the OS on your machine is more extensive than that, perhaps there's some old cruft that is causing your problems. Worth a look, anyway if you want to try harder with MailMate. I used Mail.app before Mailmate, and only stopped because I have too much mail for Mail.app to be able to thread properly. I gather this is a known issue with the hash function used to index messages, but having been through multiple point and major releases of OS X waiting for a fix, I finally gave up and switched. MailMate doesn't suffer from that problem, and now that I'm used to it I can't imagine switching back even if Apple's mail team got their act together. I've never been able to stand thunderbird. It has too much of the stench of GNU about it, with the attendant disastrous design-by-engineer/late-90s-X-windows design aesthetic. :-) Joe On 13 May 2015, at 11:07, James Galvin wrote: I have spent almost 3 weeks trying to migrate to MailMate but unfortunately there is something wrong. This past weekend I submitted several crash dumps, just in case anyone here can check those. Sending a message here is my last hope so here goes. 1. I use Thunderbird now. It works for me just fine although it has one issue I've learned to accept. I was hoping to get past this issue with MailMate, especially given the high recommendations it gets. I've used MacOS Mail before but with Yosemite that stopped working with Google Apps. Mail tried to be too smart and it failed miserably but that's a separate discussion. 2. I have 4 IMAP accounts, 2 of which are Google Apps based. The first time I tried a migration I just imported all 4 accounts using MailMate and let it go to work. This never worked. It would crash if I ever tried to use it while it was synchronizing. So, I bailed, removed the accounts and started over with just one. 3. MailMate worked great when I imported 1 account. I used it for a week and was finally getting used to the changes when I decided to import another account. 4. Importing the second account has never worked. a. MM crashes randomly. I have submitted some of the crash reports I encountered though not all. b. MM never sticks the default columns. I always have to revert a display to the default columns. This randomly causes crashes. c. Switching mailboxes randomly causes crashes. d. Synchronizing has never completed on the second mailbox. The account always shows a spinning wheel. I have removed and restarted the import several times. I removed MM and reinstalled once. I let the synchronizing run with an otherwise idle laptop for almost 3 days over a weekend and it never ended. When I look at the activity window it is actively stepping through messages on this one account. e. Oddly, the header line of Trial day # of 30 randomly shows it is day 3, 4, 5, or 6, always. As I said, I'm almost at the end of 3 weeks now. f. The mailbox in question is 1/5 the size of the first mailbox. The first mailbox has almost 100,000 messages in it total. This mailbox has less than 15,000. I'm willing to start this process one more time if anyone happens to have a specific suggestion on steps I could take to better monitor the problem and see specifically what is going wrong. I'm also wondering if submitting crash dumps is actually helpful. I'm willing to believe there might be something about my laptop given that MM has so much success with so many people but I'm at a loss to know what that is. This is a work laptop so it only has what it expressly needs loaded on it. Any thoughts from anyone? Jim ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize
I don't have the same size account as Joe, but will second his endorsement. I was also using Mail.app and found it way too slow. I've never had the kind of problems with MailMate you describe and think there must be something wrong in your configuration or some process that's interfering in some way. Good luck! Bart On 13 May 2015, at 12:12, Joe Abley wrote: Hi Jim! I use MailMate with gmail and IMAP mailboxes, five accounts total, with somewhere in the region of 5 million messages between them and something like 25,000 in the combined inbox. I have experienced none of the problems you describe. I mention this not to call you a liar :-) but rather because perhaps it points to a problem somewhere else in your environment; I'm running the latest yosemite on an 11 macbook air, installed from scratch (no upgrades or transfers from any previous laptop or OS). If the history of the OS on your machine is more extensive than that, perhaps there's some old cruft that is causing your problems. Worth a look, anyway if you want to try harder with MailMate. I used Mail.app before Mailmate, and only stopped because I have too much mail for Mail.app to be able to thread properly. I gather this is a known issue with the hash function used to index messages, but having been through multiple point and major releases of OS X waiting for a fix, I finally gave up and switched. MailMate doesn't suffer from that problem, and now that I'm used to it I can't imagine switching back even if Apple's mail team got their act together. I've never been able to stand thunderbird. It has too much of the stench of GNU about it, with the attendant disastrous design-by-engineer/late-90s-X-windows design aesthetic. :-) Joe On 13 May 2015, at 11:07, James Galvin wrote: I have spent almost 3 weeks trying to migrate to MailMate but unfortunately there is something wrong. This past weekend I submitted several crash dumps, just in case anyone here can check those. Sending a message here is my last hope so here goes. 1. I use Thunderbird now. It works for me just fine although it has one issue I've learned to accept. I was hoping to get past this issue with MailMate, especially given the high recommendations it gets. I've used MacOS Mail before but with Yosemite that stopped working with Google Apps. Mail tried to be too smart and it failed miserably but that's a separate discussion. 2. I have 4 IMAP accounts, 2 of which are Google Apps based. The first time I tried a migration I just imported all 4 accounts using MailMate and let it go to work. This never worked. It would crash if I ever tried to use it while it was synchronizing. So, I bailed, removed the accounts and started over with just one. 3. MailMate worked great when I imported 1 account. I used it for a week and was finally getting used to the changes when I decided to import another account. 4. Importing the second account has never worked. a. MM crashes randomly. I have submitted some of the crash reports I encountered though not all. b. MM never sticks the default columns. I always have to revert a display to the default columns. This randomly causes crashes. c. Switching mailboxes randomly causes crashes. d. Synchronizing has never completed on the second mailbox. The account always shows a spinning wheel. I have removed and restarted the import several times. I removed MM and reinstalled once. I let the synchronizing run with an otherwise idle laptop for almost 3 days over a weekend and it never ended. When I look at the activity window it is actively stepping through messages on this one account. e. Oddly, the header line of Trial day # of 30 randomly shows it is day 3, 4, 5, or 6, always. As I said, I'm almost at the end of 3 weeks now. f. The mailbox in question is 1/5 the size of the first mailbox. The first mailbox has almost 100,000 messages in it total. This mailbox has less than 15,000. I'm willing to start this process one more time if anyone happens to have a specific suggestion on steps I could take to better monitor the problem and see specifically what is going wrong. I'm also wondering if submitting crash dumps is actually helpful. I'm willing to believe there might be something about my laptop given that MM has so much success with so many people but I'm at a loss to know what that is. This is a work laptop so it only has what it expressly needs loaded on it. Any thoughts from anyone? Jim ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MlMt] MailMate and , Monterey,
Jolin, I am running Monterey 12.1 Beta (21C5039b). I have not observed any Monterey specific issues MM r5848. Best, Bob On 21 Nov 2021, at 12:00, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote: Send mailmate mailing list submissions to mailmate@lists.freron.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com You can reach the person managing the list at mailmate-ow...@lists.freron.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of mailmate digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: MailMate and Monterey (Marc ARC) 2. Delete problem (aisrael) 3. Delete problem (aisrael) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:12:29 +0100 From: Marc ARC To: MailMate Users Subject: Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Monterey Message-ID: <1f959a7a-faca-4c32-938e-4b6d249f4...@arcict.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Jolin, I would give it a try with r5848 ( not in Montery my self though ) Regards Marc On 19 Nov 2021, at 17:47, Jolin Warren wrote: Hey all, I’m about to migrate to a new computer, so will be going through a forced upgrade from Mojave (10.14) to Monterey (12.0). I see that r5848 was posted today. Is this what I should use, and does it work ok with Monterey? Or should I be using the MailMateBigSur.tbz archive (which I think is a release from August)? Thanks, Jolin -- => Jolin ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 13:00:46 +0100 From: aisrael To: Subject: [MlMt] Delete problem Message-ID: <86d1350c-f212-454f-a58d-36a4a594c...@pasteur.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" I am using Mailmate on the Mac, and Preside on the iPhone. When I delete a message in Mailmate (hitting the Return key), the message is not deleted in Preside (neither on my institution’s webmail for that matter). However deleting a message in Preside results in a deletion in Mailmate. On the other hand, when I hit Move to Junk in Mailmate (Command-return), it works OK (in both Preside and webmail). This suggests one of my settings related to deletion in Mailmate is not correct. Any idea? Alain -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.freron.com/pipermail/mailmate/attachments/20211121/8e772a1d/attachment-0001.htm> -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 13:04:44 +0100 From: aisrael To: Subject: [MlMt] Delete problem Message-ID: <8c87ab20-3102-46dc-9a6d-7839ba511...@pasteur.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Sorry : I hit the Delete key to delete, not the Return key. Alain I am using Mailmate on the Mac, and Preside on the iPhone. When I delete a message in Mailmate (hitting the Return key), the message is not deleted in Preside (neither on my institution’s webmail for that matter). However deleting a message in Preside results in a deletion in Mailmate. On the other hand, when I hit Move to Junk in Mailmate (Command-return), it works OK (in both Preside and webmail). This suggests one of my settings related to deletion in Mailmate is not correct. Any idea? Alain -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.freron.com/pipermail/mailmate/attachments/20211121/e469f712/attachment-0001.htm> -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- End of mailmate Digest, Vol 128, Issue 19 *___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Memory Usage (Mail Steward)
OK: more info on Mail Steward. (I'm just a happy user, and not affiliated, etc etc.) Mail Steward takes the emails and attachments, and stores them on your local hard drive (or wherever your mySQL database is stored.) Because it's mySQL, you can search it both faster and more completely than you can with everything residing on your server, and/or using MailMate. I have my copy update itself automatically from my MailMate mailboxes, twice a day, 8AM and 8PM. I also have it set up so that any message marked as "junk" (actually any tag I choose in MailMate) are skipped during archiving, so I don't have 250,000 Viagra ads. Searching is just a matter of launching Mail Steward, typing in the search criteria, and hitting a button. I don't have 3 million messages, but I do have several hundred thousand, and a simple text search takes less than 20 seconds. (Like any database search, the time will change depending on your search critera.) I can do a simple "search everything for the word "duh" or I can say "search everything for the word "duh" in emails from someone at gmail, and including attachments, between January 2015 and January 2017." That's nothing special to Mail Steward; it's just standard mySQL searching. I do not wait more than 2 seconds for the program to load, because that, again, is how mySQL works. I would suspect that you'd find mySQL to be -significantly- faster and easier than using MM. And instead of a "virtual folder" for searching the last 6 months, you'd have all 3 million of them immediately available. I have been archiving mine, continuously, since 1998. I just ran a test: from the time I clicked on MS to launch it, to the time is searched through over 300,000 records for the word "Janice" and display all the results, was 13 seconds. Out of curiosity, how long would it take from the first launch of Mail Mate to do the same thing? HTH T On 11 May 2021, at 12:33, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote: > Send mailmate mailing list submissions to > mailmate@lists.freron.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailmate-ow...@lists.freron.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of mailmate digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Migrating to Big Sur (davecc) >2. Re: Default format=flowed change in 5800? (Eric Sharakan) >3. Re: Migrating to Big Sur (Bill Cole) >4. Re: Migrating to Big Sur (davecc) >5. Memory usage (Tracy Valleau) >6. Re: Memory usage (Patrik Fältström) >7. Re: Memory usage (Randall Meadows) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 09:27:29 -0700 > From: davecc > To: MailMate Users > Subject: [MlMt] Migrating to Big Sur > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > MM now launches and doesn’t quit immediately. > > When I am asked for accounts passwords, immediately after entering one I get > an alert: > > “MailMate failed to save a file to disk. (/Users/macmini//Library/Application > Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/[myemail > address%40gmail@imap.gmail.con/State.plist_backup). Error: no such file > or directory.” > > I copied the files (see below) from my previous daily-functioning MM install > on my Sierra boot disk to the new Big Sur drive (the entire MM folder, not by > opening the folder and selecting all files and dragging those). > > Any idea why I’m getting this error? > > Thanks, > Dave > macOS 11.3.1 Big Sur > MailMate 1.14 > > - - - > >> To migrate MailMate from Sierra to Big Sur, I moved these folders to >> identical locations on the new hard boot drive by dragging and dropping in >> Finder: >> >> ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate (folder) >> >> ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist >> >> All copied. I then downloaded the latest daily MM beta and copied it to the >> Applications folder. >> >> After booting into Big Sur and launching MailMate, MM quit immediately and >> Terminal opened and spit out some errors errors. (Terminal purges previous >> output on Quit so those are gone for now. I’ll post what I see when I next >> boot BS and run MM.) >> >> Is my process correct? >> >> Thanks, >> Dave > > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 12:28:33 -
Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize
I can't use Mail anymore because MacOS broke it when they tried to get smart with GMail. I otherwise found Mail tolerable in the same way I find Thunderbird tolerable now. I'm running Yosemite 10.10.2 on this laptop, which is otherwise a 13 MacBook straight from the factory. A few applications installed for work but otherwise virgin. Had it two years now. Suggestions or hints on how to isolate the problem are welcome. Thanks, Jim On 5/13/15 12:26 PM, Barton Lipman wrote: I don't have the same size account as Joe, but will second his endorsement. I was also using Mail.app and found it way too slow. I've never had the kind of problems with MailMate you describe and think there must be something wrong in your configuration or some process that's interfering in some way. Good luck! Bart On 13 May 2015, at 12:12, Joe Abley wrote: Hi Jim! I use MailMate with gmail and IMAP mailboxes, five accounts total, with somewhere in the region of 5 million messages between them and something like 25,000 in the combined inbox. I have experienced none of the problems you describe. I mention this not to call you a liar :-) but rather because perhaps it points to a problem somewhere else in your environment; I'm running the latest yosemite on an 11 macbook air, installed from scratch (no upgrades or transfers from any previous laptop or OS). If the history of the OS on your machine is more extensive than that, perhaps there's some old cruft that is causing your problems. Worth a look, anyway if you want to try harder with MailMate. I used Mail.app before Mailmate, and only stopped because I have too much mail for Mail.app to be able to thread properly. I gather this is a known issue with the hash function used to index messages, but having been through multiple point and major releases of OS X waiting for a fix, I finally gave up and switched. MailMate doesn't suffer from that problem, and now that I'm used to it I can't imagine switching back even if Apple's mail team got their act together. I've never been able to stand thunderbird. It has too much of the stench of GNU about it, with the attendant disastrous design-by-engineer/late-90s-X-windows design aesthetic. :-) Joe On 13 May 2015, at 11:07, James Galvin wrote: I have spent almost 3 weeks trying to migrate to MailMate but unfortunately there is something wrong. This past weekend I submitted several crash dumps, just in case anyone here can check those. Sending a message here is my last hope so here goes. 1. I use Thunderbird now. It works for me just fine although it has one issue I've learned to accept. I was hoping to get past this issue with MailMate, especially given the high recommendations it gets. I've used MacOS Mail before but with Yosemite that stopped working with Google Apps. Mail tried to be too smart and it failed miserably but that's a separate discussion. 2. I have 4 IMAP accounts, 2 of which are Google Apps based. The first time I tried a migration I just imported all 4 accounts using MailMate and let it go to work. This never worked. It would crash if I ever tried to use it while it was synchronizing. So, I bailed, removed the accounts and started over with just one. 3. MailMate worked great when I imported 1 account. I used it for a week and was finally getting used to the changes when I decided to import another account. 4. Importing the second account has never worked. a. MM crashes randomly. I have submitted some of the crash reports I encountered though not all. b. MM never sticks the default columns. I always have to revert a display to the default columns. This randomly causes crashes. c. Switching mailboxes randomly causes crashes. d. Synchronizing has never completed on the second mailbox. The account always shows a spinning wheel. I have removed and restarted the import several times. I removed MM and reinstalled once. I let the synchronizing run with an otherwise idle laptop for almost 3 days over a weekend and it never ended. When I look at the activity window it is actively stepping through messages on this one account. e. Oddly, the header line of Trial day # of 30 randomly shows it is day 3, 4, 5, or 6, always. As I said, I'm almost at the end of 3 weeks now. f. The mailbox in question is 1/5 the size of the first mailbox. The first mailbox has almost 100,000 messages in it total. This mailbox has less than 15,000. I'm willing to start this process one more time if anyone
Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize
MailMate also work for me with 1.8M messages, three IMAP accounts etc. But not more than I think 30k messages in one mailbox. I do not have the issues you describe either :-( But, I do not use GMail. Just plain pure IMAP. Specifically, MailMate has never crashed. Regarding the columns, I have sort of figured out I think they are per mailbox, or something in that direction. Can that be true? So the differences seems to be that you have tons of messages in one mailbox plus that you use GMail. Patrik On 13 May 2015, at 18:32, James Galvin wrote: I can't use Mail anymore because MacOS broke it when they tried to get smart with GMail. I otherwise found Mail tolerable in the same way I find Thunderbird tolerable now. I'm running Yosemite 10.10.2 on this laptop, which is otherwise a 13 MacBook straight from the factory. A few applications installed for work but otherwise virgin. Had it two years now. Suggestions or hints on how to isolate the problem are welcome. Thanks, Jim On 5/13/15 12:26 PM, Barton Lipman wrote: I don't have the same size account as Joe, but will second his endorsement. I was also using Mail.app and found it way too slow. I've never had the kind of problems with MailMate you describe and think there must be something wrong in your configuration or some process that's interfering in some way. Good luck! Bart On 13 May 2015, at 12:12, Joe Abley wrote: Hi Jim! I use MailMate with gmail and IMAP mailboxes, five accounts total, with somewhere in the region of 5 million messages between them and something like 25,000 in the combined inbox. I have experienced none of the problems you describe. I mention this not to call you a liar :-) but rather because perhaps it points to a problem somewhere else in your environment; I'm running the latest yosemite on an 11 macbook air, installed from scratch (no upgrades or transfers from any previous laptop or OS). If the history of the OS on your machine is more extensive than that, perhaps there's some old cruft that is causing your problems. Worth a look, anyway if you want to try harder with MailMate. I used Mail.app before Mailmate, and only stopped because I have too much mail for Mail.app to be able to thread properly. I gather this is a known issue with the hash function used to index messages, but having been through multiple point and major releases of OS X waiting for a fix, I finally gave up and switched. MailMate doesn't suffer from that problem, and now that I'm used to it I can't imagine switching back even if Apple's mail team got their act together. I've never been able to stand thunderbird. It has too much of the stench of GNU about it, with the attendant disastrous design-by-engineer/late-90s-X-windows design aesthetic. :-) Joe On 13 May 2015, at 11:07, James Galvin wrote: I have spent almost 3 weeks trying to migrate to MailMate but unfortunately there is something wrong. This past weekend I submitted several crash dumps, just in case anyone here can check those. Sending a message here is my last hope so here goes. 1. I use Thunderbird now. It works for me just fine although it has one issue I've learned to accept. I was hoping to get past this issue with MailMate, especially given the high recommendations it gets. I've used MacOS Mail before but with Yosemite that stopped working with Google Apps. Mail tried to be too smart and it failed miserably but that's a separate discussion. 2. I have 4 IMAP accounts, 2 of which are Google Apps based. The first time I tried a migration I just imported all 4 accounts using MailMate and let it go to work. This never worked. It would crash if I ever tried to use it while it was synchronizing. So, I bailed, removed the accounts and started over with just one. 3. MailMate worked great when I imported 1 account. I used it for a week and was finally getting used to the changes when I decided to import another account. 4. Importing the second account has never worked. a. MM crashes randomly. I have submitted some of the crash reports I encountered though not all. b. MM never sticks the default columns. I always have to revert a display to the default columns. This randomly causes crashes. c. Switching mailboxes randomly causes crashes. d. Synchronizing has never completed on the second mailbox. The account always shows a spinning wheel. I have removed and restarted the import several times. I removed MM and reinstalled once. I let the synchronizing run with an otherwise idle laptop for almost 3 days over a weekend and it never ended. When I look at the activity window it is actively stepping through messages on this one account. e. Oddly, the header
Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize
On 5/13/15 12:42 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote: MailMate also work for me with 1.8M messages, three IMAP accounts etc. But not more than I think 30k messages in one mailbox. I should clarify that by mailbox I meant the total IMAP account when I said 100,000 vs 15,000 messages. Regarding the columns, I have sort of figured out I think they are per mailbox, or something in that direction. As I recall, it worked just as I expected with the one account. Once I set default columns every mailbox I went to used them. If I changed the columns on any mailbox then the settings for that mailbox were sticky. I really liked MM and I'd like to see it work. Jim Can that be true? So the differences seems to be that you have tons of messages in one mailbox plus that you use GMail. Patrik On 13 May 2015, at 18:32, James Galvin wrote: I can't use Mail anymore because MacOS broke it when they tried to get smart with GMail. I otherwise found Mail tolerable in the same way I find Thunderbird tolerable now. I'm running Yosemite 10.10.2 on this laptop, which is otherwise a 13 MacBook straight from the factory. A few applications installed for work but otherwise virgin. Had it two years now. Suggestions or hints on how to isolate the problem are welcome. Thanks, Jim On 5/13/15 12:26 PM, Barton Lipman wrote: I don't have the same size account as Joe, but will second his endorsement. I was also using Mail.app and found it way too slow. I've never had the kind of problems with MailMate you describe and think there must be something wrong in your configuration or some process that's interfering in some way. Good luck! Bart On 13 May 2015, at 12:12, Joe Abley wrote: Hi Jim! I use MailMate with gmail and IMAP mailboxes, five accounts total, with somewhere in the region of 5 million messages between them and something like 25,000 in the combined inbox. I have experienced none of the problems you describe. I mention this not to call you a liar :-) but rather because perhaps it points to a problem somewhere else in your environment; I'm running the latest yosemite on an 11 macbook air, installed from scratch (no upgrades or transfers from any previous laptop or OS). If the history of the OS on your machine is more extensive than that, perhaps there's some old cruft that is causing your problems. Worth a look, anyway if you want to try harder with MailMate. I used Mail.app before Mailmate, and only stopped because I have too much mail for Mail.app to be able to thread properly. I gather this is a known issue with the hash function used to index messages, but having been through multiple point and major releases of OS X waiting for a fix, I finally gave up and switched. MailMate doesn't suffer from that problem, and now that I'm used to it I can't imagine switching back even if Apple's mail team got their act together. I've never been able to stand thunderbird. It has too much of the stench of GNU about it, with the attendant disastrous design-by-engineer/late-90s-X-windows design aesthetic. :-) Joe On 13 May 2015, at 11:07, James Galvin wrote: I have spent almost 3 weeks trying to migrate to MailMate but unfortunately there is something wrong. This past weekend I submitted several crash dumps, just in case anyone here can check those. Sending a message here is my last hope so here goes. 1. I use Thunderbird now. It works for me just fine although it has one issue I've learned to accept. I was hoping to get past this issue with MailMate, especially given the high recommendations it gets. I've used MacOS Mail before but with Yosemite that stopped working with Google Apps. Mail tried to be too smart and it failed miserably but that's a separate discussion. 2. I have 4 IMAP accounts, 2 of which are Google Apps based. The first time I tried a migration I just imported all 4 accounts using MailMate and let it go to work. This never worked. It would crash if I ever tried to use it while it was synchronizing. So, I bailed, removed the accounts and started over with just one. 3. MailMate worked great when I imported 1 account. I used it for a week and was finally getting used to the changes when I decided to import another account. 4. Importing the second account has never worked. a. MM crashes randomly. I have submitted some of the crash reports I encountered though not all. b. MM never sticks the default columns. I always have to revert a display to the default columns. This randomly causes crashes. c. Switching mailboxes randomly causes crashes. d. Synchronizing has never completed on the second mailbox. The account always shows a spinning wheel. I have removed and restarted the import several times. I removed MM and reinstalled
Re: [MlMt] Python errors(?) in replies
Thank you, Bill! I'm top-posting my reply partly to test this fix. I did indeed migrate myself from Intel to Apple silicon, and "Premailer (Python)" was indeed selected in Mailmate's Bundles preference pane. I deselected it, and found that the embedding method in the Composer pane immediately switched to "Inline CSS (Juice)." The problem did begin sometime around the time v5895 came out, so I suspect you have the right of it. On 20 May 2022, at 15:41, Bill Cole wrote: > This looks like you migrated a user from an Intel machine to an Apple Silicon > machine. Is that correct? > > There's a tangled mess of what could be involved, with Apple removing Python2 > in the latest macOS, but it looks like you have a version of the "Premailer" > bundle installed which is (at least) compiled for Intel. Premailer has been > the default tool for "inlining CSS" in HTML mail in MM, but is no longer as > of the r5895 Beta version, as it has been replaced by something called > "Juice." I would expect that the simplest fix for this (skipping a solid > diagnosis...) would be to switch the "Embedding method" preference in the > Prefs Composer pane, and deselecting "Premailer (Python)" in the Bundles pane. > > > On 2022-05-20 at 15:05:49 UTC-0400 (Fri, 20 May 2022 15:05:49 -0400) > Shoshanna Green > is rumored to have said: > >> I BCC myself on outgoing mail. Sometimes but not always, when I reply to a >> message from someone else (top-posting my reply and leaving their original >> message below it), my copy of my message contains not their original message >> but what looks like a dump of Python errors: >> >> [My reply appears just fine, and then below it is this] >> >> On 20 May 2022, at 13:54, Samuel Dalpé wrote: >> >> Bundle command: Inline CSS UUID: 9846E526-1B45-42E8-8E75-F2B47AB5FF76 >> /Users/shoshanna/Library/Application >> Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/Premailer >> (Python).mmbundle/Support/vendor/requests/__init__.py:91: >> RequestsDependencyWarning: urllib3 (1.25.6) or chardet (4.0.0) doesn't match >> a supported version! RequestsDependencyWarning) Traceback (most recent call >> last): File "/Users/shoshanna/Library/Application >> Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/Premailer >> (Python).mmbundle/Support/premailerize", line 7, in from premailer.premailer >> import Premailer File "/Users/shoshanna/Library/Application >> Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/Premailer >> (Python).mmbundle/Support/vendor/premailer/__init__.py", line 2, in from >> .premailer import Premailer, transform # noqa File >> "/Users/shoshanna/Library/Application >> Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/Premailer >> (Python).mmbundle/Support/vendor/premailer/premailer.py", line 12, in from >> lxml import etree ImportError: dlopen(/Users/shoshanna/Library/Application >> Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/Premailer >> (Python).mmbundle/Support/vendor/lxml/etree.so, 2): no suitable image found. >> Did find: /Users/shoshanna/Library/Application >> Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/Premailer >> (Python).mmbundle/Support/vendor/lxml/etree.so: mach-o, but wrong >> architecture /Users/shoshanna/Library/Application >> Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/Premailer >> (Python).mmbundle/Support/vendor/lxml/etree.so: mach-o, but wrong >> architecture line 6 column 141 - Error: is not recognized! line 8 column 157 >> - Error: is not recognized! line 10 column 159 - Error: is not recognized! >> line 18 column 141 - Error: is not recognized! line 20 column 157 - Error: >> is not recognized! line 22 column 159 - Error: is not recognized! >> /Users/shoshanna/Library/Application >> Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/Premailer >> (Python).mmbundle/Support/vendor/requests/__init__.py:91: >> RequestsDependencyWarning: urllib3 (1.25.6) or chardet (4.0.0) doesn't match >> a supported version! RequestsDependencyWarning) Traceback (most recent call >> last): File "/Users/shoshanna/Library/Application >> Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/Premailer >> (Python).mmbundle/Support/premailerize", line 7, in from premailer.premailer >> import Premailer File "/Users/shoshanna/Library/Application >> Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/Premailer >> (Python).mmbundle/Support/vendor/premailer/__init__.py", line 2, in from >> .premailer import Premailer, transform # noqa File >> "/Users/shoshanna/Library/Application >> Support/MailMate/Managed/Bundles/Premailer >> (Python).mmbundle/Support/vendor/premailer/premailer.py", line 12, in from >> lxm
