Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Mike Reed via mailop]

Hi,

+1 for Fastmail from me.

One of my family members uses Mail.de - so far, so good with them. Some
friends of mine use ProtonMail.

I'm not happy with the homogenisation of email service. We've got to keep
the bigger players honest :)

Kind regards,
Mike
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Mary via mailop]

I think protonmail's business model is about being secure and private within 
the bounds of Swiss law.

The case you mention, is about Interpol asking data about a user, which is 
normal and legal. 




On 7 Sep 2021 14:13:42 -0400 John Levine via mailop  wrote:

> It appears that Mary via mailop  said:
> >
> >I don't know why nobody suggested it, but why not ProtonMail?
> >
> >https://protonmail.com/  
> 
> Because they don't quite do what they imply they do:
> 
> https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/
> 
> R's,
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Philip Paeps via mailop]

On 2021-09-07 23:24:48 (+0800), Andre van Eyssen via mailop wrote:

On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:
She should find a local hosting provider, someone that she can pick 
up the phone and call, but of course you get what you pay for.


I've found this thread a little amusing in that we spend so much time 
railing against the power held by so few major mail providers, yet are 
so quick to recommend people to the big players.


It's a little difficult to recommend a local hosting provider without 
knowing what "local" means.  Anne's original email did not specify.


Catering to this particular demographic is tricky though.  I agree that 
sending their business (or any business) to the large mail providers is 
bad for the greater email ecosystem.  On the other hand, a boutique 
email provider may struggle to explain to this demographic why their 
emails aren't being delivered to mailboxes hosted by the large mail 
providers.


There isn't much of a middle ground.  Unfortunately.

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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Bill Cole via mailop]

On 2021-09-07 at 11:24:48 UTC-0400 (Wed, 08 Sep 2021 01:24:48 +1000 
(AEST))

Andre van Eyssen via mailop 
is rumored to have said:


On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:

She should find a local hosting provider, someone that she can pick 
up the phone and call, but of course you get what you pay for.


I've found this thread a little amusing in that we spend so much time 
railing against the power held by so few major mail providers, yet are 
so quick to recommend people to the big players.


Their power is rooted in how well they meet the market where it is.

I would like the inbox providers I work for to get many more inbox 
customers, even if it's only a pile of one-user domains. I cannot in 
good faith tell a potential customer that they will be happier with a 
small provider (even one I work for) than they would be with a faceless 
behemoth. I wish that were true, I work pretty hard to make it true 
(esp. with my primary employer,) but I know from also playing the admin 
role for migrated customers now on M365 that it is very hard to get 
small businesses to care about what we can do better more than they care 
about what MS does better.


As Michael said, I think most non-technical small businesses *SHOULD* 
care more about having a human to call for support. In fact, they care 
more about never needing to call anyone for support, although some of 
that is due to reduced expectations. Freemail has done an excellent job 
of making end users expect minimal value in email service.



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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Bill Cole via mailop]

On 2021-09-06 at 20:18:07 UTC-0400 (Mon, 06 Sep 2021 20:18:07 -0400)
yuv via mailop 
is rumored to have said:

But what motivates expert mailops to only reccomend the oligopolists 
as an inbox host?


The parameters of the request: tech challenged customer, business 
domain, was fine with GD.


I can make a case for boutique email providers (which is where I earn a 
living) to people who understand and appreciate the value of what a 
small provider can offer that the big guys don't. I know from direct 
experience that the bulk of the small business market can get all that 
they need in inbox hosting from MS or Google substantially cheaper than 
if they went to FastMail or Runbox  or one of the companies I work for. 
There are also valuable features (office app integration, 
too-big-to-block, etc.) that Google and MS offer that small providers 
cannot.



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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[John Levine via mailop]

It appears that Mary via mailop  said:
>
>I don't know why nobody suggested it, but why not ProtonMail?
>
>https://protonmail.com/

Because they don't quite do what they imply they do:

https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/

R's,
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Grant Taylor via mailop]

On 9/7/21 6:24 AM, John Capo via mailop wrote:
The only IPv6 issues I have seen, other than transit only via HE, is 
delivering to Google. Google seems to assume that mail via IPv6 is spam. 
  The same mail flow via IPv4 is OK with Google.  Proper DNS and all 
that stuff, of course.


I send and receive email with Google via IPv6 every day without any 
problems.


I have strict DMARC, DKIM, strict SPF, and proper DNS.

My biggest problem is the way that Google does S/MIME is largely 
incompatible with my S/MIME aware MUAs.  :-(  So I have to rely on MTA 
configuration to /require/ TLS or reject the connection.




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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Faisal Misle via mailop]

+1 for FastMail, can't believe I forgot about them! They're awesome.

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Monday, September 6th, 2021 at 6:40 PM, Byron Lunz via mailop 
 wrote:

> What about fastmail.com ?
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 3:59 PM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop 
>  wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host. 
>> Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free 
>> hosted email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of 
>> the general info out there points to either 365 or Gmail. Surely there must 
>> be others out there? Anybody have one they recommend? Bonus if they help 
>> with authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> --
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Andre van Eyssen via mailop]

On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:

She should find a local hosting provider, someone that she can pick up the 
phone and call, but of course you get what you pay for.


I've found this thread a little amusing in that we spend so much time 
railing against the power held by so few major mail providers, yet are so 
quick to recommend people to the big players.


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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Michael Peddemors via mailop]

There are lots' of companies that do email hosting, but you mentioned 
she is 'tech challenged'.  In this case, they should NOT be looking for 
a large hosting company.


She should find a local hosting provider, someone that she can pick up 
the phone and call, but of course you get what you pay for.


If she is looking for 'free' or 'cheap', she won't be happy.

And most email hosting providers, aren't in the business of looking for 
the small one or two mailbox accounts, hard to make money and provide 
good service.  Unfortunately that means that usually the only providers 
that will make it easy, are the ones that go for complete 'automated' 
signup, and automated support.


And it depends what they want.  If they WANT o365 capabilities, then 
probably they should go to o365.  If they want simple, secure email then 
there are LOT's of companies in this space.  Even sometimes their own 
ISP might offer the ability to host their own domain, depending on the 
connectivity package they purchased. I would start there for the 
technically challenged ;)




On 2021-09-06 3:47 p.m., Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop wrote:

All,

I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host.  
Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted 
email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of the general 
info out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely there must be others out 
there?  Anybody have one they recommend?  Bonus if they help with 
authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.

Thanks!

Anne

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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[John Capo via mailop]

On 2021-09-06 23:58, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:

On 2021-09-07 08:54:51 (+0800), Andre van Eyssen via mailop wrote:

On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, Neil Jenkins via mailop wrote:
Obviously I'm biased, but our service Fastmail sounds exactly like 
what you are looking
for. We have setup wizards for custom domains to guide the user 
through what they need to do to ensure SPF/DKIM is set up correctly, 
and a real-life support team to contact if they need further 
assistance.


Hah! I was just going to reply -- what about Fastmail?
If I was ever going to quit hosting my own mail, I'd be looking at 
Fastmail.


I quit hosting my own mail and moved to Fastmail earlier this year.
Happy customer.

The only complaint I have is that they don't support IPv6 at all.  I
understand the argument against running IPv6 on MXes (although I
disagree with it) but in 2021, IMAP and submission should really be
available on IPv6.


The only IPv6 issues I have seen, other than transit only via HE, is 
delivering to Google. Google seems to assume that mail via IPv6 is spam. 
 The same mail flow via IPv4 is OK with Google.  Proper DNS and all that 
stuff, of course.


A Postfix DNS reply filter fixes the Googgle problem:  
/^\S+\.google.com\.\s+\S+\s+\S+\s+\s+/ IGNORE


Fastmail is the first on the list that I recommend to customers for 
migration. Tuffmail is shutting down.


John Capo



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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Alessio Cecchi via mailop]

I also remember that GoDaddy was offering Open-Xchange email solution 
but on the page that you link GoDaddy said that:


"All Professional Business Email plans include:"

- Outlook web application

So, probably they are still using Open-Xchange email solution but for 
the future want just only provide 365 based email to customers.


Il 07/09/21 10:52, Edgaras Lukoševičius via mailop ha scritto:
I don't think GoDaddy is discontinuing all email solutions except O365 
& GWS.


They do offer Open-Xchange based email solution: 
https://uk.godaddy.com/email/professional-business-email


On 2021-09-07 11:44, Dominique Rousseau via mailop wrote:
Le Mon, Sep 06, 2021 at 04:47:16PM -0600, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via 
mailop [mailop@mailop.org] a écrit:

All,

I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox
host.  Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing
their free hosted email, and referring people to paid Office365. It
seems that all of the general info out there points to either 365 or
Gmail.   Surely there must be others out there?  Anybody have one they
recommend?  Bonus if they help with authentication setup because she
is ..um...tech challenged.

So, any service provider that is not free, with local/proximity tech
support, should fit.
( were she in France, we could be candidates :-p )



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[Edgaras Lukoševičius via mailop]

I don't think GoDaddy is discontinuing all email solutions except O365 & 
GWS.


They do offer Open-Xchange based email solution: 
https://uk.godaddy.com/email/professional-business-email


On 2021-09-07 11:44, Dominique Rousseau via mailop wrote:

Le Mon, Sep 06, 2021 at 04:47:16PM -0600, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop 
[mailop@mailop.org] a écrit:

All,

I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox
host.  Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing
their free hosted email, and referring people to paid Office365. It
seems that all of the general info out there points to either 365 or
Gmail.   Surely there must be others out there?  Anybody have one they
recommend?  Bonus if they help with authentication setup because she
is ..um...tech challenged.

So, any service provider that is not free, with local/proximity tech
support, should fit.
( were she in France, we could be candidates :-p )



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[Dominique Rousseau via mailop]

Le Mon, Sep 06, 2021 at 04:47:16PM -0600, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop 
[mailop@mailop.org] a écrit:
> All,
> 
> I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox
> host.  Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing
> their free hosted email, and referring people to paid Office365. It
> seems that all of the general info out there points to either 365 or
> Gmail.   Surely there must be others out there?  Anybody have one they
> recommend?  Bonus if they help with authentication setup because she
> is ..um...tech challenged.

So, any service provider that is not free, with local/proximity tech
support, should fit.
( were she in France, we could be candidates :-p )


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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Alessio Cecchi via mailop]

Hi Anne,

I can suggest my own company https://www.qboxmail.com . We provide email 
hosting only. We provide Control Panel, API, Webmail and standard 
protocol for email client.


Ciao

Il 07/09/21 00:47, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop ha scritto:

All,

I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host.  
Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted 
email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of the general 
info out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely there must be others out 
there?  Anybody have one they recommend?  Bonus if they help with 
authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.

Thanks!

Anne

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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Wolfgang Rosenauer via mailop]

Am 07.09.21 um 00:47 schrieb Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop:

All,

I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host.  
Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted 
email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of the general 
info out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely there must be others out 
there?  Anybody have one they recommend?  Bonus if they help with 
authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.


GoDaddy has a paid offering called Professional Mail, don't they?
It's not free but neither is Office365.


Wolfgang
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Mary via mailop]

I don't know why nobody suggested it, but why not ProtonMail?

https://protonmail.com/


They have their own android/iPhone app, webmail and various other options. You 
can even have your public key attached by default in all your emails.



On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 16:47:16 -0600 "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop" 
 wrote:

> All,
> 
> I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host.  
> Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted 
> email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of the 
> general info out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely there must be 
> others out there?  Anybody have one they recommend?  Bonus if they help with 
> authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Anne
> 
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Philip Paeps via mailop]

On 2021-09-07 08:54:51 (+0800), Andre van Eyssen via mailop wrote:

On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, Neil Jenkins via mailop wrote:
Obviously I'm biased, but our service Fastmail sounds exactly like 
what you are looking
for. We have setup wizards for custom domains to guide the user 
through what they need to do to ensure SPF/DKIM is set up correctly, 
and a real-life support team to contact if they need further 
assistance.


Hah! I was just going to reply -- what about Fastmail?
If I was ever going to quit hosting my own mail, I'd be looking at 
Fastmail.


I quit hosting my own mail and moved to Fastmail earlier this year.  
Happy customer.


The only complaint I have is that they don't support IPv6 at all.  I 
understand the argument against running IPv6 on MXes (although I 
disagree with it) but in 2021, IMAP and submission should really be 
available on IPv6.


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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[John Levine via mailop]

It appears that Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop  said:
>All,
>
>I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host.  
>Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they
>are discontinuing their free hosted email, and referring people to paid 
>Office365. It seems that all of the general info
>out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely there must be others out 
>there?  Anybody have one they recommend? 
>Bonus if they help with authentication setup because she is ..um...tech 
>challenged.

I agree with the recommendations for Fastmail.

Tucows has a white label mail product which works well but you need to find a
reseller.  I have a few customers that are happy with it but I'm not looking
for more at this point.

R's,
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[Byron Lunz via mailop]

What about fastmail.com ?


On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 3:59 PM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:

> All,
>
> I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox
> host.  Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their
> free hosted email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that
> all of the general info out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely
> there must be others out there?  Anybody have one they recommend?  Bonus if
> they help with authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Anne
>
> --
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[yuv via mailop]

On Mon, 2021-09-06 at 20:36 -0500, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote:
> MXroute might be a bit rough around the edges for the average user. 

I was intending to try MXroute out.  Now I registered.  It will take a
little while to look around...


> But an arguably excessive hyper focus on outbound 
> delivery and inbound spam prevention. 

IMHO if internet email is to thrive, it needs more mailops like you and
less, much less of the marketing spammers.


> I love my work, happy to have anyone on board that wants to share it 
> with me :)

Will test with one of my domains dedicated for experimental/fun stuff,
and hopefully migrate my real stuff soon.

Now on to read the docs, searching how to set up relay from my internal
Postfix instance to MXroute as this would be my preferred modus
operandi, at least for now.  I will probably not bother with anything
inbound, so if your servers delete my outbound messages and related
logs after having used them for the sole purposes of spam-prevention
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[Jarland Donnell via mailop]

Thanks friend. Yeah, MXroute might be a bit rough around the edges for 
the average user. But an arguably excessive hyper focus on outbound 
delivery and inbound spam prevention. I love my work, happy to have 
anyone on board that wants to share it with me :)


Jarland

On 2021-09-06 18:21, Faisal Misle via mailop wrote:

Apart from the buck a month web hosts, the only one that comes to mind
is MXRoute (their main guy is often on this list)

I used to recommend Rackspace, but not too sure about the long term
future of their email hosting division. _(Disclaimer: I worked there
for three years)_

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 5:47 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop
 wrote:


All,

I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an
inbox host. Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are
discontinuing their free hosted email, and referring people to paid
Office365. It seems that all of the general info out there points to
either 365 or Gmail. Surely there must be others out there? Anybody
have one they recommend? Bonus if they help with authentication
setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.

Thanks!

Anne

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[Brielle via mailop]

Are they only needing something super simple and like one mailbox?

If they have an iPhone/Mac/iPad and pay for at least the $0.99 iCloud storage 
plan, can now add a custom domain for free to iCloud email at:

https://beta.iCloud.com

IMAP and smtp are fully supported.

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 6, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop 
>  wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host.  
> Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted 
> email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of the 
> general info out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely there must be 
> others out there?  Anybody have one they recommend?  Bonus if they help with 
> authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Anne
> 
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On 07/09/2021 9:48 am, Neil Jenkins via mailop wrote:
> Obviously I'm biased, but our service Fastmail
>  sounds exactly like what you are looking for.

Hi Neil

Will we see DNSSEC & DANE support enabled for Fastmail anytime soon ?

Mal
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Andre van Eyssen via mailop]

Hah! I was just going to reply -- what about Fastmail?

If I was ever going to quit hosting my own mail, I'd be looking at 
Fastmail.


On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, Neil Jenkins via mailop wrote:

Obviously I'm biased, but our service Fastmail 
 sounds exactly like what you are looking 
for. We have setup wizards for custom domains to guide the user through 
what they need to do to ensure SPF/DKIM is set up correctly, and a 
real-life support team to contact if they need further assistance.


Neil.


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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Neil Jenkins via mailop]

Obviously I'm biased, but our service Fastmail  
sounds exactly like what you are looking for. We have setup wizards for custom 
domains to guide the user through what they need to do to ensure SPF/DKIM is 
set up correctly, and a real-life support team to contact if they need further 
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

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On Mon, 2021-09-06 at 18:22 -0500, Al Iverson AND OTHERS via mailop
recommended: 
> GMAIL or OFFICE365 or
> The only other one I'd add to that list is probably
> https://smallbusiness.yahoo.com

In response to

> September 7, 2021 10:47 AM, "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop wrote:
> someone [...] needs an inbox host [b/c] GoDaddy are discontinuing
their free hosted email

Interesting to say the least.  GoDaddy's decision is possibly motivated
by cost/benefit; by the excessive power of the oligopoly; or most
likely by both.  But what motivates expert mailops to only reccomend
the oligopolists as an inbox host?

Is not outbox, with its deliverability issues, the more complex part of
the service?

I am fine with my crappy old inbox, but I am still looking for an SMTP
service to deal with the deliverability issues, most of them caused by
one of the oligopolists.  Sending customers their way will only make
internet email even less useful?

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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Al Iverson via mailop]

What he said. The only other one I'd add to that list is probably
https://smallbusiness.yahoo.com

Cheers,
Al Iverson

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 6:16 PM Steve Holdoway via mailop
 wrote:
>
> I wouldn't offer anything other than one of those two *especially* as they 
> are tech challenged.
>
> Unless you want a job for life that is...
>
> September 7, 2021 10:47 AM, "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop" 
>  wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox 
> > host. Her registrar/webhost
> > is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted email, and 
> > referring people to paid
> > Office365. It seems that all of the general info out there points to either 
> > 365 or Gmail. Surely
> > there must be others out there? Anybody have one they recommend? Bonus if 
> > they help with
> > authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Anne
> >
> > --
> > Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> > Author: Section 6 of the Federal Email Marketing Law (CAN-SPAM)
> > Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
> > Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
> > Former Counsel: MAPS Anti-Spam Blacklist
> > Location: Boulder, Colorado
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Faisal Misle via mailop]

Apart from the buck a month web hosts, the only one that comes to mind is 
MXRoute (their main guy is often on this list)

I used to recommend Rackspace, but not too sure about the long term future of 
their email hosting division. (Disclaimer: I worked there for three years)

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 5:47 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop 
 wrote:

> All,
>
> I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host. 
> Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted 
> email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of the 
> general info out there points to either 365 or Gmail. Surely there must be 
> others out there? Anybody have one they recommend? Bonus if they help with 
> authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Anne
>
> --
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> Author: Section 6 of the Federal Email Marketing Law (CAN-SPAM)
> Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
> Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
> Former Counsel: MAPS Anti-Spam Blacklist
> Location: Boulder, Colorado
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Steve Holdoway via mailop]

I wouldn't offer anything other than one of those two *especially* as they are 
tech challenged.

Unless you want a job for life that is...

September 7, 2021 10:47 AM, "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop" 
 wrote:

> All,
> 
> I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host. 
> Her registrar/webhost
> is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted email, and referring 
> people to paid
> Office365. It seems that all of the general info out there points to either 
> 365 or Gmail. Surely
> there must be others out there? Anybody have one they recommend? Bonus if 
> they help with
> authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Anne
> 
> --
> Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> Author: Section 6 of the Federal Email Marketing Law (CAN-SPAM)
> Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
> Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
> Former Counsel: MAPS Anti-Spam Blacklist
> Location: Boulder, Colorado
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[mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop]

All,

I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host.  
Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted 
email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of the general 
info out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely there must be others out 
there?  Anybody have one they recommend?  Bonus if they help with 
authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.

Thanks!

Anne

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