Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Urgent need for a design before Tuesday

2014-01-30 Thread C. Olofson

Sophie, et al;

I feel a bit odd speaking up, since my participation is dormant, but 
it would probably help potential creator(s) to know the magazine's 
demographic or target audience.


hth,
-Craig

On 01/30/2014 06:33 AM, Sophie wrote:

Hi all,

We have a proposal for a free ad in a magazine. The *deadline* is *Tuesday*
The need is:
a high res PDF, either:
- 210x147mm with a 4mm bleed
- 105x297mm with a 4mm bleed

Could somebody help with a 4.2 dedicated ad? that will be greatly
greatly appreciated, as you know several community members are
preparing/attending Fosdem.

Thanks a lot in advance, come back directly to me if you need more
information.

Cheers
Sophie



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] First day of SCALE 11x

2013-02-24 Thread C. Olofson

Of course!  Thanks for the reminder, Charles.

-Craig

@socallinuxexpo http://twitter.com/socallinuxexpo

A few other labels  hashes I've been using...
#libreoffice http://twitter.com/search?q=%23libreoffice
@tdforg http://twitter.com/tdforg

hope that helps,
-Craig

On 2/24/2013 12:41 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:


Hey Craig,

You're right ! Do you habe the hashtag for scale and anything the 
event might be identified with on social networks?


Thanks,
Charles.




C. Olofson c.olof...@gmail.com a écrit :

For all you social media mavens - Remember it's always a good time to
tweet, plus, twirp, rattle or whatever

-Craig

On 2/24/2013 9:51 AM, Jean Weber wrote:

Yesterday was the first day of our 2-day booth at SCALE 11x
(Southern California Linux Expo). With only two people (J
David Eisenberg and I) working the booth (10am-6pm), it was
exhausting, but the feedback was great. Many people stopped to
say I love your product and use it all the time and grab one
of the I (heart) LibreOffice stickers. Some asked questions; a
few had complaints, but the overall response was extremely
positive. We handed out DVDs, flyers, stickers. We had a set
of the v3.5 books; many people said, Wow, real boo ks!
Several wanted to buy them, but seemed happy when we told them
where to get free PDFs or buy the printed copies. Most
visitors to the booth were Linux users, not developers; some
were finding out about Linux and open source software for the
first time. Marc, we got a few photos, but not as wide a
variety as you want. We'll try to get a few more today, but
with the two of us busy talking with people all the time, it's
difficult to take pix. More later. Almost time to start again.
At least we get to quit at 4PM today. --Jean




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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Enterprise adoption of LibreOffice

2013-02-13 Thread C. Olofson

On 2/13/2013 3:55 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/13/2013 06:38 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 2/14/13 12:18 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:


Interesting, if MS became aware that say few large city that currently
use MSO were considering LO they might make FUD attacks on LO. I do not
know exactly how the MS support agreements work (I would assume
something like $x / person for a years with option to renew) but non
renewal would be a very good indication someone is switching to
something else.

Only a few large MS Office users have support agreements, because they
already spend a large amount of money on licenses, but Microsoft visits
them at least twice a year to try to sell on top of licenses. They use
every opportunity to provide competitive marketing materials, and the
fact that several users do not want to speak about migrations is due to
the fact that they would immediately receive the visit of Microsoft
sales people, who - in some cases - would try to discredit the CIO with
his management because of the choice to use free software. Microsoft is
very effective, although they are losign grip with their market because
of their attitude.


What is a typical license term?

Years ago I worked closely with my company's sales team. What I 
noticed it was better to sell your products features and benefits 
and say nothing about your competitors unless directly asked by the 
customer. Then be very careful what you say to avoid antagonizing the 
customer and be very factual. I worked with chemical equipment 
manufacturers and our customers where often chemical engineers.


The long term problem with FUD tactics is it risks one's creditability 
by becoming a known liar. It may take awhile.


I can't speak to licensing terms but with respect to adoption of 
anything other than MSO: in my (limited) experience with both companies 
and non-profits, most resistance to moving away from MSO comes from the 
workers who use MSO.  It doesn't matter whether one has a better 
non-free app (Wordperfect), a better cloud solution (Google Apps) or 
whether one can articulate the beauty of free-as-in-free-speech:  
Change, for most end users, is to be avoided in the extreme.


That attitude, in my opinion, is the biggest barrier to LibO adoption; 
even bigger than MS' fud machine.


fwiw,
-Craig





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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER

2013-02-01 Thread C. Olofson

On 2/1/2013 12:47 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

On 02/01/2013 03:44 PM, Joel Madero wrote:




On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
webmas...@krackedpress.com mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:



I just installed 4.0.0.3 on my Win7 laptop.

It will not show anyprinters at all.  Claims there is noneis
installed.

4.0.0.2 does prints fine, but 4.0.0.3 does not.

This is a Show Stopper.


Crap, can you open a bug report on free desktop. Our QA team will 
investigate.



Best Regards,
Joel


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Never opened a bug report before, if I remember correctly.

Do you want me to send you a screen clip of what it looks like off 
list?


I have not installed .3 on any Ubuntu systems yet, but will go back to 
.2 for Win7


Looks like it's a fresh one, congratz. ;-)  I poked around and couldn't 
find it here: http://goo.gl/4zTVd . Check out this outline for 
bug-reporting at the document foundation: http://goo.gl/ZSx6Q


-Craig



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Business cards

2013-01-17 Thread C. Olofson

On 01/17/2013 07:01 AM, Marc Paré wrote:

Hi Eliane and Italo

Le 2013-01-17 06:06, Italo Vignoli a écrit :

On 1/17/13 5:04 AM, Marc Paré wrote:


We have a list of these items on our Conference kit page[2]. We have a
booth at Scale that we will need to help organize for Jean.


The BoD has just agreed to use MOO minicards for BoD and MC members, so
Jean will receive her business cards for SCALE.

If you want to have a look at the layout, you can find it here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/116590/minicards.pdf (just look at the visual
layout). We have agreed to use the following standard title: Member,
Board of Directors instead of Director, xxx, as in the example.



Eliane: Thanks. Once you upload the source files I will put up a link 
to them.


Italo: Thanks. Could I upload this to the wiki and then link to it on 
the wiki resources page? If you use if for BoD and MC members, could 
we also expand it for use by TDF members and conference business 
cards? Then we would all carry the same cards and this would add to 
the visibility of our brand.


BTW ... I know that we are not to print business cards freely, I just 
want to leave examples on the wiki resources page so that we can refer 
to these the next time someone asks about them. We are normally asked 
about them close to conference times when people are busy.


BTW .. I have been looking at VistPrint which serves both the N.  S. 
Americas and Europe[1]. They also sell conference booth materials, 
swag, clothing and other marketing items that seems reasonably priced. 
We could purchase from them as well. If we approached them, they may 
give us corporate discount if we were to purchase all our items from 
them. Their printing locations are in Windsor, Canada (next the the US 
border), you can virtually yell across the river to our American 
cousins from there, and, Venlo IT. They also have an office in Paris.[2]


It looks like they could serve a good part of our needs in these 
geographical areas. We would have to find another service such as them 
for the Asian, Arabian, African etc. markets. But it looks like 
VistaPrint could also serve these markets as well.


IMO, VistaPrint would be a good choice of supplier for the 
TDF/LibreOffice. We have been talking about a TDF/LibreOffice store 
for quite a while, and I think it would be more efficient to get 
VistaPrint to work out a TDF/LibreOffice group of products that could 
support our needs. IMO we would not be efficient enough to support a 
LibreOffice store, we just lack the manpower to do this.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] www.vistaprint.ca
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistaprint



We've been using Vistaprint for several year now.

Mostly for business card runs (250/per) but, also, some swag (e.g. pens, 
t-shirts, bags).  Overall, apart from the t-shirts, we've been happy 
with the quality of the runs.  As well, they've been very responsive to 
emailed inquiries.  The only, slight, downside in all of this has been 
their pricing structure: it's not what I'd call fully 'transparent'.  
I'm not saying it's bad but, for example, they might still charge for 
uploading custom images.


I'm guessing no one's heard of an open source friendly print shop, 
similar to World Label?

http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/pageinformation.htm

fyi,
-Craig



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: IMPORTANT !!! NEW Marketing Call Doodle January

2013-01-05 Thread C. Olofson

An fyi;

I notice there's a nice spot for comments below the Doodle form.  It 
might be worthwhile for people to note there anything they hope to have 
mentioned in the meeting... a proto-agenda, perhaps? ;-)


thanks Marc,
-Craig

On 01/05/2013 09:47 AM, Marc Paré wrote:

:-)

Le 2013-01-05 12:35, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

Thank you Marc!

Charles.






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[libreoffice-marketing] US Journalist blames LibO for lost work

2012-12-13 Thread C. Olofson

fyi;
I really really want to like Libre Office, but I just lost an hour of 
editing in a document due to some bizarre bug that I can't can now 
reproduce. And I was saving regularly. Crap, crap, crap.

https://plus.google.com/113210431006401244170/posts/E7Ktup1Aq4M

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] US Journalist blames LibO for lost work

2012-12-13 Thread C. Olofson

Exactly so, Italo.

Thank you  Charles for following through with this.

-Craig

On 12/13/2012 05:50 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

I know Dan, he used to be a famous newspaper journalist (San Jose
Mercury News, and then Silicon Valley Watcher), but now he is even more
authoritative and influential as he has replaced Walter Cronkite at the
Arizona State University School of Journalism (probably, the best
worldwide).

I am going to write him a personal message, as he might not see the G+
discussion. He is using Ubuntu, and I will try to discover which version
of LibreOffice.

Ciao, Italo

On 12/13/12 2:45 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:


Hold on right there. Dan Gillmore is a famous newspaper journalist from
Silicon Valley and he's no bullshiter. I have asked him to send us a
copy of this problematic document, we will see...



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] US Journalist blames LibO for lost work

2012-12-13 Thread C. Olofson

Well;

If this is considered 'best practices' or even 'good practice' the 
software should be set, by default, to do it then.  Currently, in 
contrast, the Getting Started Guide (v3.5 p49) makes the choice of using 
*either* format appear inconsequential:

If you routinely share documents with users of Microsoft Office, you might
want to change the Always save as attribute for documents to one of 
the Microsoft Office formats.


For what it's worth, this is a classic case of a crisis for a consumer 
goods company (i.e. s/w application publisher).  The solution to this 
won't be found in providing helpful hints for the next time.  It'll be 
found by being very responsive in providing status and resolution in the 
same forums where the crisis is being discussed by consumers.


For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_management#Examples_of_successful_crisis_management

-Craig

On 12/13/2012 10:14 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Jay's advice is pretty much the standard the Users List keep reiterating.  Keep 
an original in native format and if you have to share with others give them a 
Doc NOT a DocX

I've lost count of how many times a wide range of different people have said 
that on the Users List.
Regards from
Tom :)




From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2012, 18:01
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] US Journalist blames LibO for lost work

On 12/13/2012 12:18 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 12/13/12 6:17 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:


Good question about document length and how was he saving. What I read
did not have enough details to know truly what happened.

Received both docs, unfortunately they are DOCX. Short doc, three pages,
seems to be a format problem and not a content problem (the DOCX is
damaged).


As matter of good practice I always save or create as an ODF document. If I need to 
send it as some other format then I use Save As or FileExport

-- Jay Lozier
jsloz...@gmail.com


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing Ideas

2012-02-18 Thread C. Olofson

On 02/18/2012 06:54 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hi,

Goldfish wrote on 2012-02-18 14:40:


2. Can TDF place some free ads with Google  others?


Depends if we find a sponsor...

Florian

Is their a 'cheat sheet' for 'how to get a corporate sponsor?'  Can't 
say I've done this before.


-Craig

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] CeBIT preparations

2012-02-05 Thread C. Olofson

On 02/05/2012 01:52 PM, drew wrote:

On Sun, 2012-02-05 at 22:42 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hello,

we have booked a CeBIT booth together with FrODeV, but to be honest,
despite lots of calls for action, the preparations are not really moving
forward.

I have not seen anyone working on creating or updating English
materials, and organize that they are printed in time. In a nutshell,
for international visitors, we right now simply have nothing at all to
show or give away. :-(

- are there two things that folks would want the most, in English?

An update to the brochure about the product?
Update to the postcard?

Would you rather see stuff about the product or about the project
roadmap?

There is 30 days left (not much) but maybe could do two things in two
days...

snip


I haven't been following the list for a while but, as Drew says, if you 
have  a short-list of what English material is needed, I'll put 16 hours 
into it this week.


-Craig

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Italo's announcement re: LibO online and link

2011-10-14 Thread C. Olofson
The linky works for me (ubuntu  vlc) but, for redistribution, it looks 
like Florian has the answer:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVR7HqDokmA

Excellent developments!

-Craig

On 10/14/2011 07:36 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
Italo just announced the coming of LibO online (on the announce 
mailing list), but, he also added a link. I just wanted to ask some of 
you to check the link. Could people check if the link works for you? 
Here is the link.


http://people.gnome.org/~michael/data/2011-10-10-lool-demo.webm

I am running it through VLC. We should make sure that people can see 
the video without any problems.


Cheers,

Marc





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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Recruitment for Base (Was Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?)

2011-09-22 Thread C. Olofson

On 09/22/2011 03:13 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote:

David Nelson wrote:

Although, like Tom, I'd love to see TDF get something moving with
Google (one of our supporters, no?) and work on Google Docs
integration.


What does GDocs have to do with Base specifically?
My thought is that if it were a resource issue, a cloud store/sync play 
is more important to LO than Base.  Google is a very logical first step.


LO requires a cloud store/sync component analogous to MS 
Office365/Sharepoint[1].  Google already has one but only for MSO itself 
called OfficeConnect[2].


OfficeConnect was originally developed by two gents at DocVerse[3] which 
was acquired by Google.  These two gents, Shan Sinha  Alex DeNeui, 
still work at Google and were responsible for retooling their product 
into OfficeConnect.


hth,
-Craig







1) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/online-services.aspx
2) http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/officeconnect.html
3) 
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/05/google-acquires-docverse-to-further-office-arms-race/


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Building a network of marketeers

2011-08-17 Thread C. Olofson

On 08/17/2011 06:14 AM, drew wrote:

On Wed, 2011-08-17 at 14:58 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:

drew wrote (17-08-11 14:52)


if you want to look to a model then look to Ubuntu Local Teams

Can you explain more?

I thought you'd never ask

Quick comment:

IMO the way the Marcons structure was at OpenOffice.org was passive, you
setup a list of individuals as contacts in local areas and then they
waited for something to happen.

What the Ubuntu Local Team approach does is say, you must demonstrate
that there is:

1 - more then one person in an area as a contact
2 - these people are actively engaged in local activities
3 - REQUIRE feedback from these people on a regular basis
[This has to be both a carrot / stick approach, heavy on the carrot]

in other words, and I realize only my POV, it seemed that the Marcon
model was passive, where as the Local Team approach is pro-active.

Fabian Rodriquez made what I thought were good points along these lines
a few months back, I think on the fr mailing list (discuss?) and I'll go
look for that for a reference for this thread.

//drew

A powerful model, thx Drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] website terminology for free software

2011-08-04 Thread C. Olofson

On 08/04/2011 01:36 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote (04-08-11 21:57)


I've received a request to change two things on our website, regarding
terminology:

- Instead of solely using open source, I was asked that we should also
use free software.

- Linux should be referred to as GNU/Linux.
[...]

Shall we aim for achieving a good mixture of both terminologies? Anyone
has severe concerns on that?


Using 'free' along side 'open source' is good anyway, because it adds 
an extra dimension to our message, that is quite easy to understand.


The use of 'GNU' does not add anything that is easy to understand. 
It's more something that people 'in the know' like to see. It might 
look a bit more weird to people that are new. But the change that it 
hurts is so small, that I do not object the use of GNU/Linux.


Cheers,


I agree with Cor on both items.

-Craig

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] voiceovers for LibOCon

2011-07-20 Thread C. Olofson

On 07/20/2011 04:40 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hello,

I still have the offer from a speaker to do voice-overs for 
LibreOffice. So far, we didn't make use of it. :-) What just popped to 
my mind was:


Would it be helpful to have some voice-overs for the LibreOffice 
Conference? Is there any place we could air them, or do we have any 
videos that still need some sound?


Florian


There are voice-overs this person can do immediately, apart from 
specific events.  We can always use (and re-use) thematic statements 
throughout our stock videos.  This would be a great help since aural 
branding can be as important as visual.  Just a modest amount of 
repetition will go a long way to building LibO's brand.


We can accept this person's generous offer right now by using already 
available phrases (e.g. at libreoffice.org).  We can then keep these in 
the can to use as desired.  For example, either of these could be made 
the standard intro for all of 2011's conference video intros:


LibreOffice is the free power-packed Open Source personal productivity 
suite for Windows, Macintosh and Linux, that gives you six 
feature-rich applications for all your document production and data 
processing needs


LibreOffice is a comprehensive, professional-quality productivity 
suite that you can download http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ and 
install http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/ for free. 
There is a large base of satisfied LibreOffice users worldwide, and it 
is available in more than 30 languages and for all major operating 
systems, including Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X and Linux (Debian, 
Ubuntu, Fedora, Mandriva, Suse, ...).


You can download http://www.libreoffice.org/download/, install 
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/ and distribute 
LibreOffice freely, with no fear of copyright infringement.




Regards,
-Craig

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] making the confcalls more attracting

2011-07-09 Thread C. Olofson

On 07/09/2011 11:28 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:

Hello,

the participation in the latest marketing conference calls hasn't been
that overwhelming. :/

With this e-mail, I would like to discuss on how we can make these calls
more attracting. Those who did not attend, I would like to ask, on why. :-)
I didn't attend the last meeting simply because it fell on a major 
holiday.  Prior to that, I'd been attending the NA marketing meetings  
lurking on lists to get a better feel for the org (I'm new to major FOSS 
projects).


Looking forward, I imagine I'll be attending these meets in the future.

-Craig

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing ConCall minutes up on wiki

2011-07-06 Thread C. Olofson

On 07/06/2011 06:23 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:

On 07/06/2011 04:48 AM, Marc Paré wrote:

Le 2011-07-05 05:50, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hi Marc,

Marc Paré wrote on 2011-07-04 21.32:

The minutes of today's LibreOffice Marketing team ConfCall has been
posted on the wiki[1].


thanks a lot for drafting the notes, much appreciated! I've just
uploaded the audio recording as well.

Florian



Thanks Florian for doing this also.

I have also left a note on the ES and FR lists about the minutes and 
mp3. I had forgotten to warn these groups of the meeting. I'll try 
not to do this again next time.


Cheers

Marc



Marc
Could you give a URL?  I am having problems finding that page.


Here you go:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/ConfCalls#July_4.2C_2011_.28Time:_1600UTC.29

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[libreoffice-marketing] Another news-gathering tool

2011-06-28 Thread C. Olofson

Hello;

For those who are open to using Google News, I have created a news 
section which, theoretically, should collate all English language 
articles, world-wide, pertaining to either LibreOffice or The Document 
Foundation.  (Unlike the other tools I'd found, this one searches for 
instances of either LibO or TDF.)


You do not need to have an account with Google or log in to access this 
news section.  To use:


   1. Navigate to https://www.google.com/news
   2. Click on Add a section, located on the upper right region of 
the page

   3. Enter a string such as 'Document Foundation' and click 'Search'.
   4. Click on the resulting title 'TDF-LibO'


This should bring you back to Google's news reader.   If you would like, 
this result may be localized by clicking on the edition link found in 
the upper right region (next to Add a section).


By the way, if anyone knows how to enforce an all or international 
option for edition, please let me know and I'll modify this tool.


fyi,
-Craig

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Enjoy It!

2011-06-27 Thread C. Olofson

Love the finish.

Thanks for putting this together.

-Craig

On 06/27/2011 01:38 AM, drew wrote:

Hi,

Had the opportunity to represent LibreOffice/TDF at a recent Linux
Festival two weeks ago. Took the chance to ask a few of the attendees
what they thought about Libo - here is 90 seconds worth.

http://www.youtube.com/user/libreofficeVols

Best whishes

//drew





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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fw: [libreoffice-users] Steam Distribution Inquiry

2011-06-24 Thread C. Olofson

Wow.

A whole, new, worldwide distribution channel, predominantly for the 
Windows platform.  It sounds intriguing.  A few issues come to mind 
based on my (limited) experience w/ the current Steam client and Valve, 
in no particular order:


   * a mature, robust  widespread distribution channel
   * a possible new channel for donation streams
   * wonderful platform stats (http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey)
   * client license is problematic
 (http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/)
   * client launch is intrusive (lose mouse  window focus)
   * client updates are frequent and mildly intrusive (~2/month)
   * client acts as licensing enforcer (and can be pretty draconian)
   * support for both Windows  Mac OSX - planned support for Linux dropped

Valve is one of the early SaaS pioneers and, like SalesForce, attempted 
to cater to businesses.  They couldn't move past the gaming industry 
(until now) though and it hasn't always been a pleasant ride.  For those 
who remember, there was a time when a person could go to a store, 
purchase and install a SteamPowered game but not be able to run the 
product unless the user had


   * a working internet connection
   * an account on Steam delivery/licensing servers

This was done purely for considerations related to DRM/anti-piracy.

I'm not trying to paint a completely bleak picture here but, for those 
who are unfamiliar with the software gaming industry, it's important to 
keep in mind that some of the (fully legal and ethical) tactics used by 
Valve for distributing/licensing games will probably conflict with F/OSS 
licensing and norms.  In short, the licensing terms for their planned 
app store (and its servicing client) will have to represent a 
departure from Valve's current gaming-centric enforcement policies.


There's a lot more I could address, if there's any interest.  Apart from 
the concerns above, this represents a marvelous, marvelous opportunity.  
It makes me wonder whether we should be talking with other app stores 
(i.e. Apple?).


Tom... good move passing this along.

-Craig


On 06/24/2011 06:31 AM, Benjamin Horst wrote:

This could be a great channel to spread LibreOffice! Please let us know what 
you hear back from Mark at Valve Software.

-Ben

On Jun 24, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)
The users list got an unusual email from a fairly vast organisation that is
primarily a vast distribution network.


A couple of people pointed them towards the marketing list but i think there are
other issues that might require a dialogue with the Steering Committee and/or
BoD and/or the Advisory Board.


I have included my verbose response to their initial enquiry but please skip
that and focus on their request at the bottom of this email.  Two other people
responded before me with RTFM type answers pointing them towards Marketing.  I
think we need to be more prepared next time but it's not really something that
is easy to prepare for as it is unlikely to happen again.

Regards from
Tom :)




- Forwarded Message 
From: Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
To: us...@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: ma...@valvesoftware.com
Sent: Fri, 24 June, 2011 10:51:58
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Steam Distribution Inquiry


Hi :)

I think the main people you need to contact are the Steering Committee
steering-discuss+subscr...@documentfoundation.org
General discussions about other aspects of TDF are on a separate list
discuss+subscr...@documentfoundation.org
but the steering discuss is the more useful list for your needs i think.

LibreOffice is released under copyleft agreements so you don't really need to
even ask permission to copy and distribute.  There are a few caveats of course.
The original source code must be made available to anyone that wants it.


If you want to mirror the TDF download sites then this list might be helpful for
a quick result
mirrors+subscr...@documentfoundation.org


Further Detail
If you make a profit then it would be best to give a percentage or just an
amount of that back to TDF.  Steam personel can modify the code but licensing
and maintaining the result is tricky unless you choose the same copyleft
agreement as the original.  Many organisations put resources (time, personnel,
whatever) into TDF to develop code, documentation, translations and so on to get
some control over which issues are addressed in those areas.  This will happen
more although the individual volunteers base also grows rapidly and everyone is
treated equally within TDF as it is a meritocracy.  Some organisations such as
Google, RedHat, Novell and so on have put people on an advisory board that
advises the Steering Committee and the Board of Directors.  Steam could become a
full member at that level but it costs a bit and i am not sure about the
details.  Again  that is an issue for the Steering Committee
steering-discuss+subscr...@documentfoundation.org


Side Issues
If you want to create Dvds to distribute then there are 

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Reminder: LibreOffice Marketing Conference Call for June 2011

2011-06-22 Thread C. Olofson

On 06/22/2011 08:22 AM, Marc Paré wrote:

Le 2011-06-22 11:12, Italo Vignoli a écrit :

On 6/22/11 5:04 PM, C. Olofson wrote:

At 1502 UTC,

The conference master has locked the room. You are too late. Sorry.


Sorry, the room is unlocked now



Still locked for me :-(


Time to hone our German-speaking skillz grin

-Craig

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Media Contacts for TDF

2011-06-10 Thread C. Olofson

On 06/10/2011 07:19 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 6/10/11 9:35 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:

If anyone else wants to change/enhance his data, raise your voice 
now. :-)


I would add the following:

VoIP +39.02.320621813
gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com
skype italovignoli

Also, to solve the time problem, I would use:

Italo Vignoli (UTC+1, based in Milan, Italy)


Here's my vote for the contact's template.  Putting the geography first 
has the cognitive advantage of familiarity.  It's a relatively small 
detail though.

Italo Vignoli, based in Milan, Italy (UTC+1)
Mobile: +39 348 565382
E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org
VoIP: +39.02.320621813
gtalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com
skype: italovignoli 


Apart from the the individual's contact format, I recommend that the 
contact process be (very slightly) re-worked.  Specifically, provide a 
unique email address for each;

1) 'General Inquiries' (e.g. i...@documentfoundation.org)
2) 'Press and Media Contacts' (e.g. pr...@documentfoundation.org)

The benefit is that this raises the profile of the whole Press (with a 
capital 'p') ecosystem.  The cost looks to me as being trivial.  You 
probably know better.


One last thing.  In the following paragraph:
We have a dedicated group of press contacts who are happy to answer 
your questions about The Document Foundation and LibreOffice. *To 
receive a reply in time, we recommend contacting us directly at 
i...@documentfoundation.org mailto:i...@documentfoundation.org, 
which will be distributed to all contacts below.*

The phrase:


*To receive a reply in time,*


implies an already-established deadline.  If, on the other hand, we are 
letting people know the fastest practical way to get a response, the 
following phrases are more precise (at least for colloquial American 
English speakers):



*For the promptest response,*
*For the quickest response,*
*For the most timely reply,*


etc.

hope this helps,
-Craig

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog

2011-05-17 Thread C. Olofson
[N.B. for those without an Alfresco account, the manifesto is also 
available here:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Next_Decade_Manifesto]

-Craig

On 05/17/2011 06:16 AM, John Shabanowitz wrote:

Marc,

After you asked me to write a mission statement, I started my research. I
looked in Alfresco to see where everyone was headed.  It seems the type of
document, statement of values and direction, has already been written. It is
LO_next_decade_manifesto.pdf.
http://alfresco.libreoffice.org/alfresco/d/d/workspace/SpacesStore/064e9e2a-cff2-43e7-a35e-5b10b711729a/LO_next_decade_manifesto.pdf
I suggest this document be adopted as the marketing blog mission statement.
*John Shabanowitz
http://libodocs.wordpress.com
We're recruiting, come join us.*
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com  wrote:


Le 2011-05-12 13:38, John Shabanowitz a écrit :


Marc,
I'll help if I can. What is the vision or mission statement for the
marketing blog? I understand there will be announcements and news of who
and
what organizations are using LibreOffice, but what else? How will you draw
an audience and keep them engaged, keep them coming back?
*John Shabanowitz
http://libodocs.wordpress.com
We're recruiting, come join us.*
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com   wrote:



Hi John

At this point it is just a step in the direction of setting up the blog.
Would you be able to draw up a mission statement? You could post one on this
list and we could all discuss it. Not to forget blogging about the
conferences, LUG meetings where LibreOffice was represented, formation of
different communities around the LibreOffice suite etc. We could work on a
mission statement to better identify our expectations.

Cheers

Marc



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)

2011-05-12 Thread C. Olofson

Hi Marc, Tom;

I don't mean to muddy the waters unnecessarily but, in the case of *BSD, 
support would be more likely coming from their end and not TDF's.  Also:


   * there are a lot of unrelated *BSD's (e.g. Free-, Open- and netBSD)
   * *BSD apps aren't (normally) distributed as pre-compiled packages
 but as source to compile
   * once an app is in the ports, it (normally) has a maintainer
 (IOW, is supported)
   * checking w/those projects will show whether LibO is supported

So, for example, to see whether an app is supported by FreeBSD, I

   * go to their central applications site: http://www.freshports.org
   * search on LibreOffice
   * find that 3.2.2 is the current ver and the maintainer is
 Baptiste Daroussin

I'm not as familiar with the other *BSD's but, if you want, I'll poke 
around to establish whether they are maintaining LibO and at what version.


hth,
-Craig

On 05/12/2011 04:05 AM, Marc Paré wrote:

Le 2011-05-12 06:45, Tom Davies a écrit :

Hi :)

Hah, i can't find it in the downloads drop-down any-more.  I'm sure 
it was there
quite recently.  There was documentation on how to install 
LibreOffice in Bsd
somewhere in documentation.  Hopefully i might get time later to try 
to find
it.  Note that no other Office Suite works on Bsd afaik so it would 
be quite

sweet to acknowledge it.
Regards from
Tom :)

You may want to check on the dev list. If Bsd is officially supported, 
then we will make adjustments to our marketing materials. It would be 
nice if it were supported. AFAIK, there was talk of it on the dev list 
and some people got it to work, but then the threads just died out. 
Maybe there were problems with getting committed devs for BSD.


Cheers

Marc





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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Bsd

2011-05-12 Thread C. Olofson

On 05/12/2011 08:17 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

It would be really great if the documentation team
were told of any results you discover, or even better if you could help them
with the installer pages.

Should I email a list or any particular person?

tia,
-Craig

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)

2011-05-12 Thread C. Olofson

On 05/12/2011 07:35 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:
So what would you add to this sample document that would reflect BSD, 
or should it be kept the same?


http://libreoffice-na.us/dvd-insert-mine-sample.pdf


The BSD entry is relatively odd (because the OS works with ports  
packages).  Happily, it makes for a briefer write-up.  Here's my stab at it.


*BSD *

   LibreOffice packages and ports are maintained by many BSD
   communities, including FreeBSD, OpenBSD and PC-BSD.  Please check
   with these communities and reference their respective repositories
   for further information on system requirements and installation
   instructions.

I can confirm that LibO is in the FreeBSD, OpenBSD and PC-BSD 
repositories.  These three represent the lion's share for desktop BSD.  
As a side note, Robert Nagy, who's involved in LibreOffice development, 
is also the port manager for OpenBSD.  They just interviewed him over at 
the TDF blog in January.*  If we need anything else for the insert with 
respect to *BSD, we can always contact him.


hope this helps,
-Craig
*http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/01/21/developer-interview-robert-nagy/

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Bsd

2011-05-12 Thread C. Olofson

Hi Alex;

On 05/12/2011 08:44 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 12/05/11 17:17, Tom Davies a écrit :

...However, BSD installable packages can be found :

http://files.bsdroot.lv/my/FreeBSD/office-amd64/

http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-current/editors/libreoffice-3.3.0_1.tbz
Just to be clear: if anything were to find its way into LibO marketing 
doc, it should steer users towards official packages (e.g. the second 
url above).  Even then, at that point, we should be listing the port, as 
well as, the package repository and -of course- for each distro.


grin

For marketing collateral such as inserts  flyers, that level of detail 
shouldn't be necessary.  It is important, however, to reference 
availability on BSD in the same way it is important to dot our i's and 
cross our t's.  BSD is a foundational community within the F/OSS 
ecosystem.  Not mentioning it would be... odd.



and also via the following command :

portmaster -x libreoffice

I will have to see if I can set up a BSD machine on some old machine
laying around not doing much and try it out.

Alex

-Craig

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[libreoffice-marketing] Sourceforge F/OSS event calendar

2011-03-22 Thread C. Olofson

A couple of questions this raises:

- do we want to collect and place calendars on the marketing wiki?
- are there other comprehensive calendars like this that we should track?

hth,
-Craig

We’ve compiled a list of FOSS-related events. Check out the upcoming 
events for those in your area and support FOSS! If you have a related 
event to add, please let Elizabeth Naramore (elizabethn .at. 
sourceforge .dot. net) know, and she’ll be happy to add it for you.

http://sourceforge.net/blog/calendar-of-open-source-software-events/

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] torrentfile for American DVD ISO

2011-03-10 Thread C. Olofson

On 03/10/2011 09:04 AM, drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 17:46 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Jeff Chimenejchim...@gmail.com  wrote:

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:38 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
webmas...@krackedpress.com  wrote:

On 03/10/2011 09:50 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions schrieb:

1) Tim will FTP a working image to Drew's server
2) We'll either seed the file from that server via sshfs, or we'll drag it
to our workstations and seed from there. Either Drew or I will send you a
.torrent

It's pointless to first upload via ssh/ftp/whatever and then start
seeding, when you can start seeding right away and upload it this way.


I feel pretty strongly that we are at a spot right now where a shared
copy need to get out, there are a few of ready to add the fnal edits and
then share back to the others.

So - seeding a torrent for files from Tim's PC is fine if that is
manageable today.

However if in the end it is quicker to just use an ftp client that Tim
knows how to work with and use an intermediary spot to get shared access
that is a winner in my book also, the ftp server is up, the account is
setup, as is a private directory to receive the file(s) and we can share
access amongst a small working group as needed. It also becomes a
working space to put our work back into a whole, BTW.

//drew

What if Tim uploads the image to a file-sharing service?

It's easy to do.  The others, who want to set up torrent seeds or, who 
want to host the entire image can grab it from there.


Filedropper, http://www.filedropper.com/, will host a file up to 5GB as 
long as it's downloaded at least one time per month.


hth,
-Craig


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] torrentfile for American DVD ISO

2011-03-10 Thread C. Olofson

On 03/10/2011 10:25 AM, drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 10:09 -0800, C. Olofson wrote:

On 03/10/2011 09:04 AM, drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 17:46 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Jeff Chimenejchim...@gmail.com   wrote:

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:38 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
webmas...@krackedpress.com   wrote:

On 03/10/2011 09:50 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

webmaster for Kracked Press Productions schrieb:

1) Tim will FTP a working image to Drew's server
2) We'll either seed the file from that server via sshfs, or we'll drag it
to our workstations and seed from there. Either Drew or I will send you a
.torrent

It's pointless to first upload via ssh/ftp/whatever and then start
seeding, when you can start seeding right away and upload it this way.

I feel pretty strongly that we are at a spot right now where a shared
copy need to get out, there are a few of ready to add the fnal edits and
then share back to the others.

So - seeding a torrent for files from Tim's PC is fine if that is
manageable today.

However if in the end it is quicker to just use an ftp client that Tim
knows how to work with and use an intermediary spot to get shared access
that is a winner in my book also, the ftp server is up, the account is
setup, as is a private directory to receive the file(s) and we can share
access amongst a small working group as needed. It also becomes a
working space to put our work back into a whole, BTW.

//drew

What if Tim uploads the image to a file-sharing service?

It's easy to do.  The others, who want to set up torrent seeds or, who
want to host the entire image can grab it from there.

Filedropper, http://www.filedropper.com/, will host a file up to 5GB as
long as it's downloaded at least one time per month.

Because it is not ready for full distribution - so putting to a place
where we (the people working on it) can actually work on it collectively
is the only real answer.

There is a good solution right in front of us - why not use it.

I'm not looking to cloud the issue.

This is simply y.a. method for the image to find its way to your server 
(in case Tim finds it easier/faster/less complicated than ftp).  I 
thought, at this point, that the emphasis is on making it available to 
you, Drew, sooner than later.  If it matters how you get your image, 
ignore the suggestion.


-Craig

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] torrentfile for American DVD ISO

2011-03-10 Thread C. Olofson

On 03/10/2011 01:57 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:

On 03/10/2011 04:31 PM, Jeff Chimene wrote:

On 03/10/2011 02:23 PM, drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 16:13 -0500, webmaster for Kracked Press
Productions wrote:

On 03/10/2011 02:12 PM, drew wrote:

On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 11:07 -0800, C. Olofson wrote:

On 03/10/2011 10:56 AM, drew wrote:
This is simply y.a. method for the image to find its way to 
your server

(in case Tim finds it easier/faster/less complicated than ftp).  I
thought, at this point, that the emphasis is on making it 
available to
you, Drew, sooner than later.  If it matters how you get your 
image,

ignore the suggestion.

Hi Craig,


Right - thanks and sorry for being quick there.

Not a problem in the slightest, Drew. Thanks for driving this.
Ha - Tim is the one cracking the whip...*chuckling* @Tim I mean 
that in

the best way..

I here the whip cracking myself.  Maybe my cat is using it now instead
of his claws before I cut them back AGAIN.  Well, if we can get the
typos fixed soon, then we will have a finished product before the
up-coming events.  But at least we will give it our best try.  ISO 
file

to come online soon.  After the DVD is locked, then I get to do some
video editing for another project, before the lady who is the
whip-cracker gets back from a month long Florida working vacation.

Well back to the third project now.  Will do more on the DVD tomorrow,
and uploading in a few days.



Tim it's great what your doing - just do what you can, when you can, 
and

there are a few of us ready to work to get it finished up with you.

It would be great to find someone willing to take a crack at the sleeve
insert in the meantime - anyone?

Sorry, I haven't been paying attention. What needs to be done?



Go to the demo/testing site and help find the errors with the pages.
Then we can get the pages finished and locked down so we give the
pages to our translating teams to do their work.

So go to the site.  Look at the pages.  Find the errors.  Then I/we 
can get
the editing finished.  Lets get it done and on to the next stage of 
the project.


Not to come off absolutely thick here but, what the address for the 
demo/testing site?


tia,
-Craig

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