Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Building a network of marketeers
Hi, 2011/8/16 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Hi, luizh...@gmail.com wrote on 2011-08-16 02:51: In practical terms, require all who wish to contribute are fluent in English seems rather elitist. I'm not ashamed to admit that my English is awful when you need to talk. But I am reassured when I need to read or translate any text in English or even write. Here in Brazil we have several people with fluency in English, which can be filters. I trust these people!! And I think it's past time to treat Brazil as a trouble spot. Things have worked very well here. I agree with Florian when he says that leave this decision to the local community and would like to apply for this job I've always done since the days of OpenOffice.org. let me make it a bit clear. I consider it *crucial* that at least one of each local representative speak English fluently. If we have only local representatives not capable of speaking English, communicating with these groups will be a real problem. So, at least one fluent English speaker per group to me is really *mandatory*. She or he can, of course, then act for the others as gateway. In a nutshell: From the project's side of view, I would require one English speaking contact, and would leave the rest up to the local groups. Does that sound like a senseful compromise? Yes, Florian. It's good for me. I understood... And I vote for Paulo Lima to our gateway... Rgds, Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] address changes DELAYED
Hi, Em 09-06-2011 12:16, Florian Effenberger escreveu: Hello, sadly, a project caught me longer today than I thought, and I will have to work probably one or two more hours on it, which means that I cannot manage the address change for the lists today. So, the address change for the lists will be DELAYED I am sorry, the project came in quite unexpectedly, but sometimes real life needs time, too. :-) I will try to do the address change as soon as possible, and follow-up on this lists soon. In the meantime, simply use the current addresses. First things first, Florian. I don't see change as a priority number zero. We can wait a little longer! Luiz Oliveira identi.ca/luiggi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Media Contacts for TDF
Hi, The names are listed in Media Contacts are those who respond officially to the press by TDF? What are the duties of this people? Thank's Luiz Oliveira Em 08-06-2011 08:53, Tom Davies escreveu: Ok, UTC (short for Co-ordinated Universal Time, or rather Universal Time, Co-ordinated) does make more sense to me now than GMT. As Simon Phipps pointed out GMT does confuse people sometimes. Unix time is almost in sync with UTC but UTC does seem to be used much more widely even if 'normal' users are unlikely to have heard of it. UTC is easy to look-up too :) Regards from Tom :) From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 8 June, 2011 12:15:28 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Media Contacts for TDF On 6/8/11 1:00 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Perhaps GMT might be better than UTC? (Is UTC an American thing or a Unix thing? Answers to that off-list if at all please) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
Hi, Take this opportunity to ask about the local blog (Brazilian Portuguese). There is this possibility, or not? Thank's, Luiz Oliveira Em 18-05-2011 17:43, Marc Paré escreveu: Le 2011-05-17 09:16, John Shabanowitz a écrit : Marc, After you asked me to write a mission statement, I started my research. I looked in Alfresco to see where everyone was headed. It seems the type of document, statement of values and direction, has already been written. It is LO_next_decade_manifesto.pdf. http://alfresco.libreoffice.org/alfresco/d/d/workspace/SpacesStore/064e9e2a-cff2-43e7-a35e-5b10b711729a/LO_next_decade_manifesto.pdf I suggest this document be adopted as the marketing blog mission statement. *John Shabanowitz http://libodocs.wordpress.com We're recruiting, come join us.* On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Hi John: Seeing as you are also on the libodocs blog, could you see if we could all get together along with the LibreOffice main blog people to create a mission statement? IMO, we should have a common mission statement directing the blogs. This would add consistency across all blogs. It would be nice if we could have a collaborative effort with a representative from all 3 blogs to write up a short mission statement. I don't think we need anything too intricate, but as you implied, a mission statement would be nice to have as a guiding principle to the blogs. Maybe an SC member could chime in to give his/her opinion on this. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi Bernhard , Unfortunately, Charles sees only what he wants and just says what he wants. Not really concerned about the serious issues we are bringing. Luiz Charles, You wrote: Drew, 2011/5/12 drew d...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0300, luiz wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew Hi Luiz. It was simply that I knew there was at least four members from Brasil - I recalled seeing a blog by Olivier Hallot on the subject. http://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2011/05/novo-membro-da-document-foundation.html You are going places in your reply however where I have no business going. Best wishes, Drew As far as I can tell, this link is quite clear: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ I don't see Eliane Domingos in that list. So don't comment on what you expect, but read what is written: Paulo did refer to founding members and actual TDF members. Please have a look here: http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ Regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
On 05/12/2011 10:20 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 5/12/11 2:59 PM, Marc Paré wrote: [1] http://libomarketing.wordpress.com/ Nice job. Can you please send me the credentials to log in? I just want to create an account to post from my desktop clients. Good idea. There is a chance to have a local blog,something like: http://pt-br.libomarketing.wordpress.com/? Regards, Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing Team Newsletter and Blog
On 05/12/2011 11:05 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-05-12 09:26, luiz a écrit : On 05/12/2011 10:20 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 5/12/11 2:59 PM, Marc Paré wrote: [1] http://libomarketing.wordpress.com/ Nice job. Can you please send me the credentials to log in? I just want to create an account to post from my desktop clients. Good idea. There is a chance to have a local blog,something like: http://pt-br.libomarketing.wordpress.com/? Regards, Luiz Oliveira Hi Luiz You would have to create an account with Wordpress and create your blog. You should first check with the LibreOffice PT-Br community first to make sure this is OK if you want to make it a blog representing the community. Once you are admin, you can then add users as extra admins; contributors; editors; authors. Wordpress supports PT-BR language. Let me know if you need any help. Hi Marc, Actually, I already have an account in Wordpress for my personal blog. And I will make a query to the Brazilian community on this issue and return soon. Thank you so much for your help, Luiz -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Sorry, Charles, but it's not just that Claudio was in the shadows. We also have the David and Olivier there. And these two can not ignore what was discussed in open our local listings. Another thing, I think there is some confusion. Alta is a formal institution, from what I see. Colibre,however, is not. It was just a name we wanted to give to the Brazilian community to replaceGubro (BrOffice Users Group), which is a very interesting local project in the dissemination of the product. Regards, Luiz Oliveira Paulo, This is just a comment from my side as you keep asking a question that I feel I had answered before, but you believe I haven't, so let me answer to the question again. It's about your question on the North American LibreOffice DVD team and website and the Brazilian one. Take a look at the two website. The NA LibreOffice DVD team has a website that is focused on a DVD project, that encompasses multiple languages. It is not a traditional native-language team, to use the OOo parlance, and it does not try to even harbour the full TDF / LO colours and logos. The NA DVD team has formed and debated here, on this mailing lists and on others (website and discuss); they did this in the open for everyone to see, the SC knew about (or could not ignore it as it was happening here), and they were generally very delicate about trademarks, using of terms, etc. I hope you understand the difference better now. Also, I would like, as another general comment, to remind you and everyone that Claudio is also part of the core team of TDF. I am surprised that he hasn't been more active on this particular topic. That's just my feeling, perhaps I'm wrong. TDF does not take sides, were it between ALTA and Colibre. Frankly we can't, we shouldn't, we won't. It's not our job. The situation is what it is, it's unfortunate, but we want to deal with the Brazilian community as a whole. It's a very tempting for you or others, to think TDF will take sides, even secretly. What TDF wants is to work and help the community work, that's it. We're not interested in local fightings, and should I need to write it again, the Brazilian community is most welcome here. It is your home. Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi, Possibly, but again we cannot take sides. The bottomline is, Claudio should have talked to us. Sorry, but this is not what is seems. You only to knowCláudio, only attacks and cites Cláudio,why? It seems you have a speech ready, at least is the impression I got. Anyway, as for Colibre, my point is the same: TDF deals and works with the Brazilian community as a whole, not with one specific church. And who is asking this? So, if it's a name, a NGO, anything, we will deal with the Brazilian community as a whole with the same respect and rights, as well as the same duties that are vested unto any other community. Ok, Charles.We are not here asking for exclusivity. Understand, Colibre (LibreOffice Community) is a simple name. A step by to replace BrOffice for LibreOffice on the projects that already existing in Brazil. You are proposing to kill anything that existed before? I hope not. I'm doing the best I can to resolve the main issue here. Cláudio already spoke with Florian (in PVT). The domains will be redirected to the TDF structure. Since yesterday we began to use the list discus...@pt-br.libreoffice.org to replace @gubro-br (BrOffice structure). I am awaiting a Florian position in relation to my request on a mailing list for the Journal and then the migration is complete (at least for the mailing lists). After that, we will not have any external list in action here in Brazil. About domains,I think we can close this issue. I propose that the SC make a meeting with former members of the NGO BrOffice (not only Cláudio) and decide what to do. Regards, Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew I'm very curious to know what the criterion for immediate her acceptance. And the Paulo refused. Most translations of the Brazilian portal (pt-br.libreoffice.org) was that he didand other contributors, but who signed? I answer: Eliane and Gustavo and Olivier... You know why only Olivier translates LibreOffice (l10n)to Brazilian portuguese? Because he does not let anyone else help. Now, Rogério Luz is trying to help. But I think it is not easy. Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi all, People who should be here is still uttered quietly in the shadows. Sorry! I'll try to be practical again. Like Paulo, I don't care about domains. I'm not the owner of any domain, was not associated with the NGO BrOffice, therefore do not know what was agreed between the people who decided to kill it. The Brazilian Community of LibreOffice, all users regardless of formal institution, has nothing about it. I talked to Claudio yesterday by email and he agreed to redirect all domains .org.br to TDF's infra. But, personally, I don't agree to pass the domains to any Brazilian entity, only for the TDF. It's safer!! Another thing, the question of parallel universes is a great nonsense or a terrible misunderstanding. The only filter that we haveis the language. Many can't communicate in English. I do it badly and badly. I can assure you the general feeling here is we belong to a worldwide community called The Document Foundation that develops a great product, LibreOfficewhich we are most proud.Everything we do here is to promote these brands (TDF and LibreOffice), nothing more than that. I hope to end this discussion as soon as possible because we have much to do yet. About the magazine:Florian, just give us a mailing list within the TDF structure and we migrated immediately. My suggestion: revi...@pt-br.libreoffice.org Thank's a lot, Luiz Oliveira Hello Paulo, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote on 2011-05-10 03.21: The websites itself? No. Domains? maybe. Until the NGO is not completely undone (legaly talking...) the domains are safe. Once the NGO is competely over, the domain must be transfered to another NGO (and it MUST be an NGO, as said, I talked to our ISP, and they offer a trustee service for Brazilian domains, so we can transfer the domain to someone holding it for TDF. I will verify again with them based on the information you gave me (NGO needed), but in case that's indeed possible, wouldn't it be the best solution, to have the domain names independent from one entity? not a person or a private company). I suppose that ALTA could kindly offer to do that, but if you decide it it will be a proof that TDF members are not reliable for Brazilian Community. Sorry for these words, but it's the crude truth. I am happy to make a trustee contact with one of the Brazilian non-profit organizations, in case our provider does not offer a trustee service for .org.br domain names. I am also happy to show that trustee contract to the public then -- so there should be no risk for anyone, whether it's ALTA or another entity. migration to TDF websites. As I stated before, personally, I really don't care who will own libreoffice.org.br domain name. And I think people in the community doesn't care at all. But as I said before: giving the I heard something different about that. I heard that the libreoffice.org.br domain cannot be given to us or put under TDF control, and I even read that some people are to hand out e-mail addresses @libreoffice.org.br. So, I am glad that you don't care who will own that domain name, but it seems not everyone shares that. ownership to the people who are threatening us will be a shame and an insult. Does the German association, that at the moment legally represents TDF until it is a legal entity by itself, threat you? If not, I guess you have no objections to us having a trustee contract with our provider to host the domain names, or if that is not possible, with any of the Brazilian NGOs. As said, I am happy to show that trustee contact in public then. Are there any objections to that? But, yet, my first question is not answered: Why North American Community can use the brand in their domain name and Brazilian Community can't? This is a real strage behavior. I'll reply to that in your other mail soon. And I have another question: Will we be allowed to use that brand in our magazine, once it's a real contribution to Libreoffice marketing? We have a trademark policy in place that has been discussed and agreed upon in public, with everyone being able to contribute: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TradeMark_Policy So, legally spoken, you need permission to do so, but in general, I personally have no objection. If the project is introduced to the list, with everyone from the Community being able to join, so it's not a closed group, and it follows our open, transparent and meritocratic principles: Of course. You should formally ask as described in the Trademark Policy, but I have a feeling you might get a positive reply. :-) It is not about keeping all legal assets just for us. Us is the Community, we decide together on how to use these, in the - you get it - open, transparent and meritocratic process. That decision is independent from individuals, and that's exactly why TDF has been set-up. We want to be independent, and be able to host all assets for the Community. Florian -- Unsubscribe
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Documentation Team has a blog
Hi, I think a timely discussion since we are discussing in another thread about TDF's domains and local communities (in this case Brazil). The official portal of Libreoffice is practically translated into Portuguese, but there is no post news place.So I think a blog would solve this issue. I'm trying to think outside the box, since the Brazilian reality is completely different. Our site (in Drupal) contains official information about the product, Libo, about the specific projects in Brazil and many news items (posts), which are collected by a team of communication. Initially I thought I could do the same hereusing the portal pt.br.libreoffice.org the same way. But I felt very difficult, both for editing with Silver Stripe, and the page layout. Any help or idea? Regards, Luiz Oliveira Le 2011-05-09 01:41, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : FYI... The LibreOffice Documentation Team now has a blog, here: http://libodocs.wordpress.com/ --Jean Thanks Jean. It is wonderful that you now have a blog. I guess it now stands to reason that the marketing team should now have a blog as well as other major teams of the project. We coordinate on some aspects of the blogs look n feel. Firstly, I would suggest the following teams should have blogs: * documentation * website * marketing (this would include the US marketing team) * design * dev * discuss (what was discussed of interest for the blog readers) * accessibility (not much being discussed on this mailing list) -- Have I missed any other teams where a blog may prove interesting? Secondly, as the LibreOffice and Documentation blogs are now on Wordpress. I would suggest that all other teams follow suit and have Wordpress blogs, determine their admins to monitor and, if need be, moderate the blog. Thirdly, if the Wordpress theme allows, we could all have the same theme as the main LibreOffice blog theme, and perhaps have a different identifying colour theme. Not sure if the theme would allow this. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi Florian, As I said in previous message, I'm taking this discussion further here in Brazil.I intend to resolve this as quickly as possible. However it is worth emphasizing a point that you raised. We are not creating parallel universes. The Brazilian structure existed for 05 years. The reality now is different and we are objectively discussing how to set things right. Soon I would like to talk specifically about some tools we need. And let me say that I agree with the main issue discussed here:the redirection of Brazilian domains for the TDFstructure. Regards, Luiz Oliveira Hello, I'd like to add a few thoughts of mine to this thread. I am very sorry to hear what happened and still is happening in Brazil. To me, as for the whole Steering Committee, it has always been very important to be not on one side. It is sad for me to see that there seem to be two groups and lots of changes, and I have worked with trust, respect and joy with members of both groups, and I would like to do so in the future as well. As Brazil is far away, and I don't know the situation very well, I always tried to stay out of the line of fire, which I hope is understandable. Sorry if this now sounds rather harsh, but my take is: Domain names with LibreOffice or The Document Foundation should be under control of The Document Foundation, and the official mailing lists for each project have to be the ones we offer. Let me explain why: It is not about controlling things or not allowing others to be active. In contrast, we would like to have people active on their own, without asking us for permission. Our approach is open, meritocratic and transparent. However, we all have learned from the past that it can happen too quick that projects and groups go their own way, and confusion is created on who is talking on behalf of whom. Diversity can be a gift, but it can also be a high risk if we are too diverse. Hosting a website under the LibreOffice or TDF domain name with own content soon will create the idea that this content is official. Even more, it will spread knowledge and tools, which in the end can have bad consequences for us. Don't get the impression that we do want to dictate what you have to use. I know that the situation and requirements are different from country to country, and that some users are more comfortable with this tool, others with other tools. We try hard to provide something everyone can benefit from, and I invite you to raise concerns, questions and wishes to our public mailing lists. We are all TDF, so there is no one dictating things. Sure, sometimes there's one in charge who has to wear a hat and have the final say, and there is also the Steering Committee if in doubt, but that's no different to any well-developed open source community. For the current situation, to me it is rather clear: Please connect the TDF and LibO domain names in Brazil to our nameservers, so we can point them to our infrastructure. If there are legal concerns of being the domain holder, but having services connected to our servers, please let me know -- there is a legally working way to transfer the domain names to the German association and later on to the Foundation when it exists. I've already discussed that with our provider, who provides a trustee service in Brazil if needed. What I neither can understand nor accept is that a website is built in parallel, e-mail addresses are being handed out, and separate mailing lists are created. I guess I repeat myself by saying that I want all of us to work on one thing, united, speaking with one voice. Too much diversity and parallel universes do not help, they do harm. They harm a lot. Of course I respect the work that the Brazilian community has done the past years, but it can be no argument that you now need the LibreOffice domain name for connecting your servers, otherwise data from five years would be lost. How long has the LibreOffice name been existing? Roughly seven months, so this is no argument. I am happy to provide you a DNS alias so you have a domain name to connect your machine to, in case you don't have any other domain name available -- but the main website really needs to point to the TDF infrastructure. pt-br.libreoffice.org is our Brazilian website, and contributors are welcome. I am also more than happy to provide a link to previous content from there if this is suitable. But, please, do not build up your parallel universe with own sites, tools, addresses and mailing lists. Especially in these times, working united, collaborating as a team, exchanging thoughts as friends, is more important than ever. I beg your trust, and ask you to cooperate with us in this matter. We are flexible in tools and sites, and we can improve things when improvements are needed, but TDF has been created to have all assets in one hand, independent, safe, stable and secure. Joining us in this mission is, I
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR translations
Happy Mother's Day for all, After intervention of Paulo and David I need to clarify some points. There is no suspicion against TDF. We embrace the cause for seven months with great joy. TDF does not know the Brazilian community, only a few people (Claudio, Olivier, David). I assure you that the Brazilian Community is much larger than these three people, though I have the utmost respect for the work they have evolved and developed in favor of free software in Brazil and worldwide. If there is agreement on the question of domains I agree with David that must be met. As you tend to be quite pragmatic, I'll try to explain the situation well in practice. What is the problem here? - Domain redirection: Is there an agreement? Who did? When? Who is failing? - This discussion arose after a question from Florian: Who translates Press Releases and how are they published in local communities? Replied on condition of community volunteer LibreOffice Brazil in the area of Communication. You say, Charles, you do not care about internal problems of the Brazilian community. However, the Brazilians who represent us in the TDF do not seem to talk. And I, Paulo, and all the other volunteers of this great Brazilian community has nothing to do with it. Regards, Luiz Oliveira Hello, I'd like to add a little bit about that too, see below. 2011/5/8 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com On 05/07/2011 04:18 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote: So, can anybody tell me why NA community can have libreoffice-na.orgdomain *separated* from TDF hosts and brazilian community can't have libreoffice.org.br domain? LibreOffice-NA.US -- not .ORG the .org.br domain is the exact same as the main one but with the country code - am I correct? They might feel that your are trying to take their domain over in your country, or something like that. I did not see the beginnings of this thread, but by your text, that is what your are implying. We are LibreOffice - North America - in the USA so our domain is that the same as but with the added country code. We started our project to be dedicated to our region and create a distribution DVD for that region. I do not think our domain is close enough for TDF to upset by us, I hope. I know one thing. When I bought a domain that was a .org and there was a .com with the same name, I added a link to the .com group stating who they were and that I was not them. My domain was for a non-profit listing while they were a for profit, sort of, group. There are a lot of groups out there that have other groups that make their domain as close as possible to the original group's domain so they could steal viewers away for whatever reason. All of us are here to promote the same software for our different communities. We are not trying to steal people away from the other groups. To be honest, if your domain was LibreOffice-Brazil.org, then it would not be looking like it was the Brazilian language version of the TDF/LO site, which your domain looks like it could be. Could you use Colibri.org and also add .org.br? Then, for now, you could redirect your current .org.br domain to the new Colibri site. Later, after people get use to the new site's domain, you could phase it out. Also you could just ask a question on where the viewer wants to go, your site of the TDF/LO site. For me, your libreoffice.org.br is too close to the TDF/LO site's domain. That was one reason I opted for the .us domain ending instead of the .org one. It helped make our domain more different than the original one. Of course all this is my own opinion, and I was the one who paid for the NA domain. Indeed, you make several good points above, and I'd like to add some more. If one goes to the LibreOffice North America DVD project, one sees a website dedicated to just that; and it does not attempt to replicate libreoffice.org. On the contrary, they point to relevant links inside LibreOffice.org, uses mailing lists here, explains what they do, have explained why they were doing this website here, on this list and on others, what TDF is, etc. So I think it's pretty clean and clear in that case. Luiz, Paulo, TDF has been created by volunteers 7 months ago. The notion that somehow you guys have to do something separate does not make any sense to me. It's not like if we were a large corporation and that you would have suspicions about our intention. If you had specific requirements I would have loved to hear about them. I'm afraid I/we never heard about any of that. Best, Charles. Just a simple question in order to understand the issue. Tks and rgds 2011/5/7 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com On 05/07/2011 10:56 AM, Luiz Oliveira wrote: snip The Brazilian community has some different characteristics from other communities around the world. We went through dramatic changes recently. We made many
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR translations
David, Hi Luiz, I think there´s a misunderstanding here. We´re not representatives of the brazilian community, nor we will ever be. We are only 3 co-founders of TDF, we should be here to help. Neither more nor less than anyone, understand? Here´s not Oracle, got you? ;-) In this context, all that are participating in the brasilian community has the same voice that I have, or you, or Paulo Lima, or anyone else, see? The confusion is in the word representative. When I say this, I do not mean a position in the hierarchy, but people who are closest to the SC. What I see from this discussion is that a little lack of communication. The insistence on making comparisons with Oracle and OOo annoys me. I know that TDF is differentand I thank God for that. I saw clearly that when the TDF has denied Olivier's request asking for the replacement of Claudio. So the question here is this, like it or not you are considered leaders for us. You see,leaders not bosses! Scroll down ... 2011/5/8 luiz lcolui...@gmail.com Happy Mother's Day for all, After intervention of Paulo and David I need to clarify some points. There is no suspicion against TDF. We embrace the cause for seven months with great joy. TDF does not know the Brazilian community, only a few people (Claudio, Olivier, David). That´s not true. TDF know the brasilian community and wanna keep a good relationship with everybody in Brazil. A member of the SC answer your questions and clarify to you some points. Do you know when that could be possible to happens in the same situation, under Oracle´s control? Never, see? In this situation, TDF is trully meritocratic, as you can see. There´s no border´s here, dude? ;-) I have no doubt about this. But still I believe that the TDF does not know the Brazilian Community in its entirety. Or at least do not know all the discussion about BrOffice's infrastructure. Or, am I misinformed. (cut) As you tend to be quite pragmatic, I'll try to explain the situation well in practice. What is the problem here? - Domain redirection: Is there an agreement? Who did? When? Who is failing? That´s a good start! This agreement was made by Claudio and Olivier to the TDF. Verbally and/or per e-mail and/or by messengers. The domains .org.br are under the responsibility of Claudio, since ever, and he always knew that. If he never told you or for the community, maybe you should ask him why. We made a long discussion in open list (gubro-br) here on this topic. But nobody said it had an agreement. So I think we have bad communication. Now I know this, make sure that I will take this discussion forward here. - This discussion arose after a question from Florian: Who translates Press Releases and how are they published in local communities? Replied on condition of community volunteer LibreOffice Brazil in the area of Communication. You say, Charles, you do not care about internal problems of the Brazilian community. However, the Brazilians who represent us in the TDF do not seem to talk. As I said, we´re not representatives for the brazilian community, we're just TDF co-founders. The position of a br-representative creates a dangerous figure of centralization and filtering contacts with TDF, and TDF don´t want this at all. ok So, be sure the TDF is happy and really thankful for your help. Maybe someone told you that could possible make some political trampoline into the TDF. For this hypothesis, the answer is clear: TDF is not political platform for anybody. Mistaken belief in my view..I help as I can, within my possibilities. I follow only my idiosyncrasies. And finally, no one ever said this to me(political platform or anything like that). Not at all. TDF is meritocratic and be sure, your help will be allways wellcome. ok And I, Paulo, and all the other volunteers of this great Brazilian community has nothing to do with it. Therefore, you have an open channel to talk with the TDF, not as representative of the brazilian community, but as representative of yourself. That's what I'm doing now, right? Then, our entire structure (historical, mailing lists, the magazine's website) must be migrated toTDF's infra, right?Our domains should be redirected to http://pt-br.libreoffice.org/? Is developing a portal to the Journal BrOffice (LibreOffice) currently hosted on http://revista.broffice.org/. What is the suggestion in this case? Regards, Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR translations
Ok, Charles Now I understood everything. I do not have to make the change that is requesting. I'm just a volunteer whose goal is to contribute to the TDF and LibreOffice here in Brazil, besides being the editor of the BrOffice Magazine(I think we can not use LibreOffice in the magazine too, right?). I'll do what I can, or say goodbye to all. Hugs, Luiz Oliveira 2011/5/7 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Hello Luiz, 2011/5/7 Luiz Oliveira lcolui...@gmail.com Hi Charles, this is just a quick question to our local communities - who is regularly translating our announcements (like beta3, beta4 and the like) into their local language and distributes it to the community and the local press? Here in Brazil we have several translators. Once translated, we publish inour portal (libreoffice.org.br) and disclose in the various communication channels such as Twitter, local mailing list, facebook and press release to the press. I'm a bit surprised, why using an external website? you could publish it here, on the brazilian webpages. I hope we're not getting into the fashion of external websites à la OpenOffice.org again :( The Brazilian community has some different characteristics from other communities around the world. We went through dramatic changes recently. We made many discussions on local listings. The NGO was extinguished. The BrOffice brand has been disabled and LibreOffice replaced it. We are advancing!! To me the different characteristics were because of the past times of Sun and Oracle. Brazilians (Claudio, Olivier, David) have been founding TDF. Different characteristics could have been considered from the onset. So whatever happened in terms of personal clashes and conflicts, I'm sorry but I don't want to know about that. Please read on. The Brazilian community has decided to be called Colibri after long discussions. We also decided that we would not turn off our portal site ( libreoffice.org.br), since it is one of the most visited portals technology in Brazil. It would be a shot in the foot of the TDF/LibreOffice. It seems I may have gotten this wrong. What I see here is a website that is not TDF but that takes the name and brand LibreOffice. That's not really a good start, I think. I'm sure that Claudio and Olivier know that LibreOffice domains and brands belong to TDF, right? So I investigated further. And I'm somewhat shocked and very displeased by what I found. If I go to here: http://www.documentfoundation.org.br ... it redirects to libreoffice.org.br, and not to documentfoundation.org . You do realize that neither Colibri nor ALTA are the Document Foundation? So you are confusing users and contributors. This is very troubling. Please redirect documentfoundation.org.br to documentfoundation.org at once. Sorry, but I thought that the international community could have some autonomy to decide on this issue. And the comparison with the OOo seemed a little exaggerated. It is quite adequate. The international communities do have lots of autonomy but when it comes to call itself by names and brands, sorry, that's different. Still in Brazil, as you may know, a lack of harmony between groups whose interests were different. It is no exaggeration for me to bet on two Brazilian communities of LibreOffice, since we do not share with them ideas, particularly as regards the issue of expert technical support and paid behind NGOs and businesses. You do realize, of course, that it is not the business of TDF? We want a truly free community that aggregates other communities also free. I'm not sure what it means... But if the Steering Committee find that we are treading a wrong path, please let us know. For one thing these domain names are very, very problematic. What I still don't understand is why you would not even redirect www.libreoffice.org.brto libreoffice.org's brazilian pages? It's completely ludicrous. I anticipate that I am against centralization in the structure of TDF in relation to the decision of the Brazilian community. TDF has not been informed of this decision. As for centralization, it's not a centralization, it's respecting trademarks and not calling itself by a name that misrepresents the reality. Another NGO has emerged here in Brazil and its goals are clear (http://www.alta.org.br/). I have no idea who created it, but I can also understand that it is external website à la OO.o, correct? Not at all. For at least 2 different reasons. 1) they don't use the name Libre office nor TDF in their own name and brand. 2) they seem -I don't speak Brazilian- to claim to provide professional services around libreoffice. That's prefectly normal. Anybody can claim that, but not everybody can claim he/she represents
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR translations
Hi, this is just a quick question to our local communities - who is regularly translating our announcements (like beta3, beta4 and the like) into their local language and distributes it to the community and the local press? Here in Brazil we have several translators. Once translated, we publish inour portal (libreoffice.org.br) and disclose in the various communication channels such as Twitter, local mailing list, facebook and press release to the press. Regards, Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] BrOffice product and community will be called LibreOffice
Hi, The Brazilian free software community is proud to announce that the BrOffice product will be called LibreOffice, which has an international community of which we, Brazilian volunteers are active participants and contributors. I know that BrOffice has gained quite a good public recognition in Brazil, so this step is not easy for you. This issue has been worked here a few months ago. I think personally that the episode involving the extinction of the NGOs contributed to the discussion. A press release made by us ensured that nothing would happen and reassured the market. So the time is right. I do not think we have any damage and there was a bias to adopt the name LibreOffice here. For LibreOffice it's a great opportunity to show the strength of our international community and to embrace the people contributing to LibO in Brazil under our own name. This will strengthen our worldwide public recognition to a measurable degree! Yes, that's the idea!! The office suite BrOffice still remain with this name in version 3.3.x, and finally replaced the name from versions 3.4.x. As for the other projects developed by Brazilian community as a portal, mailing lists, magazine, among many other initiatives already start to adopt the name LibreOffice in all his works. This should be part of the international press release when LibO 3.4.0 will be announced. I agree!! Perhaps we should add a press notice and or an offiicial TDF blog entry on this topic already now to welcome our co-workers and co-users under our common name. What do you think? I think its very good. If there is interest we can translate the post published on our website: http://libreoffice.org.br/agora_o_bro_chama_libo (in Portuguese of Brazil). Regards, Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] BrOffice to LibreOffice in Brazil
Hi, The Brazilian free software community is proud to announce that the BrOffice product will be called LibreOffice, which has an international community of which we, Brazilian volunteers are active participants and contributors. The office suite BrOffice still remain with this name in version 3.3.x, and finally replaced the name from versions 3.4.x. As for the other projects developed by Brazilian community as a portal, mailing lists, magazine, among many other initiatives already start to adopt the name LibreOffice in all his works. Rgs, Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] BrOffice product and community will be called LibreOffice
Hi, The Brazilian free software community is proud to announce that the BrOffice product will be called LibreOffice, which has an international community of which we, Brazilian volunteers are active participants and contributors. The office suite BrOffice still remain with this name in version 3.3.x, and finally replaced the name from versions 3.4.x. As for the other projects developed by Brazilian community as a portal, mailing lists, magazine, among many other initiatives already start to adopt the name LibreOffice in all his works. Rgs, Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Thousands of donors contribute €50,000 in just eight days to The Document Foundation
ok, Florian, Thanks, Luiz Hi, Luiz Oliveira wrote on 2011-02-26 15.12: Just out of curiosity, do you know the effective participation of Brazil in donations? It may be a percentage. sadly not yet - I will work on extracting currencies and e-mail domains out of the PayPal spreadsheet, but it will take some time :) Florian -- Atenciosamente, Luiz Oliveira http://www.peticaopublica.com.br/PeticaoVer.aspx?pi=BrOffice -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Thousands of donors contribute €50,000 in just eight days to The Document Foundation
Hi, Florian Just out of curiosity, do you know the effective participation of Brazil in donations? It may be a percentage. Rgds, Luiz Oliveira Hi, Congratulations, this demonstrates the power of community. Viva LibreOffice and freedom. Clóvis On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Thousands of donors contribute €50,000 in just eight days to The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community accomplishes next major milestone Ongoing donations to support marketing, infrastructure and development The Community around LibreOffice, the free personal productivity suite, has accomplished the next major milestone in establishing The Document Foundation as a legal entity. In just eight days, some 2,000 donors from all over the world contributed €50,000 for the capital stock necessary to set-up the legal entity in Germany. We still can't believe it, says Florian Effenberger, Steering Committee member. It happened in such a short period of time and was beyond our wildest expectations. You all really rock! On behalf of the Community, the Steering Committee would like to thank all the donors for their generous support. The €50,000 collected will form the Foundation's paid-up capital, ensuring a permanent future for the organization after the legal paperwork is complete, based in Germany. The capital will be frozen assets for the Foundation: the funds cannot be spent, and we will be able to avail just the annual interest. All money donated from now on will actually bankroll our ongoing running costs for things such as marketing, hardware, infrastructure, attending trade shows, initial financing of merchandising material and, of course, developing new and exciting ideas. So we still need your support: Every donation helps to pay for our future operational running, Effenberger adds. Details on how to donate to The Document Foundation and how the money will be spent are available at http://challenge.documentfoundation.org Information about LibreOffice can be found at http://www.libreoffice.org The home of The Document Foundation is at http://www.documentfoundation.org About The Document Foundation The Document Foundation has the mission of facilitating the evolution of the LibreOffice community into a new, open, independent, and meritocratic organization over the next few months. An independent Foundation is a better reflection of the values of our contributors, users and supporters, and will enable a more effective, efficient and transparent community. TDF will protect past investments by building on the achievements of the first decade, will encourage wide participation within the community, and will co-ordinate activity across the community. Media Contacts Florian Effenberger (Germany) Mobile: +49 151 14424108 - E-mail: flo...@documentfoundation.org Olivier Hallot (Brazil) Mobile: +55 21 88228812 - E-mail: olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org Charles H. Schulz (France) Mobile: +33 6 98655424 - E-mail: charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Italo Vignoli (Italy) Mobile: +39 348 5653829 - E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Where are the press clippings?
ok, thanks!! Luiz Oliveira BrOffice.org Community Hi, Luiz Oliveira wrote on 2011-02-13 20.09: Be sure! Our team is translating the majority of PRs, if not all. Take this opportunity to ask if there is any problem in publishing a series of interviews with the LibreOffice developers from TDF blog, in our magazine. perfect, thanks so much! The PR will be finished by tomorrow (European time), then feel free to translate it and the site contents. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Where are the press clippings?
Hello, Luiz Oliveira wrote on 2011-02-12 23.50: I like the initiative. We will collaborate with it as possible. I'll try to fill up with the news in Brazil on LibreOffice, BrOffice and TDF. I have already put some links. thanks a lot! By Monday or Tuesday, we will send out a PR -- feel free to translate it then! Be sure! Our team is translating the majority of PRs, if not all. Take this opportunity to ask if there is any problem in publishing a series of interviews with the LibreOffice developers from TDF blog, in our magazine. Regards, Luiz Oliveira BrOffice.org Communnity -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Where are the press clippings?
as part of the fundraising... I guess I'll use that intro for a few more e-mails. :-) I recall people collected press clippings in various language. Is http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_The_Press the up to date page with these? I'd like to collect them on the fundraising website for a reference. Hello, I like the initiative. We will collaborate with it as possible. I'll try to fill up with the news in Brazil on LibreOffice, BrOffice and TDF. I have already put some links. Regards, Luiz Oliveira BrOffice.org Community -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] I want your face on video :-)
Hi, Hello, as part of the Foundation fundraising (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Foundation_Fundraising) we could also host some videos with voices of the Community. I cannot promise anything, not even that we eventually will use the videos, but as time is running out fast, this is a call for your face on video. :-) So, if you have something to say why LibreOffice is great, why the Foundation is important and why people should donate, take a webcam, record a video and send me the link, so we can make something out of it. Funny recordings are as welcome a serious clips! Remember to use a free license for the content. :) The video must be in English? Luiz Oliveira BrOffice.org Community -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Updated Conference Kit wiki page and thoughts about branding
Hi, I think this fantastic idea. Here in Brazil, had the experience of making DVDs containing BrOffice and other tools such as dictionaries, documentation and extensions in the National Meeting BrOffice. Today I received a call from a manager asking me if BrOffice had something like that, since he won a bid at PCs should come with BrOffice and Linux and its installation DVDs. I wonder what we can do, here in Brazil, to implement this action and thereby helping to TDF. Best, Luiz Oliveira BrOffice Community On Sat, 2011-02-12 at 06:25 -0500, Marc Paré wrote: LibreOffice Marketing Box I bring up again the idea of a LibreOffice Marketing Box where this box could be shipped from one destination to another in a particular region. The box could contain necessary marketing resources to setup a normal conference booth/table area. This to minimize initial costs where funding is low. We could then send out teams more easily to conferences knowing that the LibreOffice brand resources are used. Hi Marc Updated this page http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/ConferenceKit with a Contempoary Logo banner, PDF suitable for printing with inexpensive on-line services, file is formatted 6' x 30 and 75dpi. The source file is available on the wiki also, just change the file descriptor fro pdf - svg, for anyone needing to output different dpi or size adjustment. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-marketing] BrOffice.org Magazine #18
Hi, In the Christmas edition of the BrOffice.org Magazine we published the first interview, in Portuguese of Brazil, the series available on the blog of TDF (Norbert Thiébaud). We intend to publish all interviews. Take this opportunity to inform you that we translate and published on the portal BrOffice.org the Press Release on the partnership of the TDF with the Open Invention Network. http://www.broffice.org/tdf_junta_se_open_invention_network Thank's, Merry Christmas!!! Luiz Oliveira BrOffice.org Magazine -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
