Statistics and how do we serve our website users
Hi! It's been almost a full year since we started running statistics on gnome.org with Piwik. I thought it would be good to look at these numbers and see if there is anything we can do to improve. What browsers does our visitors use: * Firefox 36% * Chrome 37% * Other 27% (IE, Safari, Opera, Epiphany) As all of these are pretty much good citizens when it comes to web standards these days, I think we're safe technically. None of the top two browsers comes with the OS when you buy them, so yeah, our visitors do try out new software and run that if they find it better. :) What OS are our visitors running: * Linux 58% * Windows 7 23% * Windows XP 9% * Mac OS 5% * Others 6% (Vista, Android, iPad, Win8) Windows making up 32% (possibly a little bit more if you add in Vista and Win8) makes me wondering how we can serve every 3rd of our visitors better. Any ideas? - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Statistics and how do we serve our website users
Hello Andreas, On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se wrote: On 11/14/2012 03:54 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Hi! It's been almost a full year since we started running statistics on gnome.org with Piwik. I thought it would be good to look at these numbers and see if there is anything we can do to improve. Oh, and do let me know if there is anything specific, like search engine stats, visits over certain time periods, screen sizes or anything else that anyone is particularly interested in. I was wondering if you could make anonymous account for Piwik, like we have [1]. As part of Gnome openness and sharing information. Of course you can hide any module you think it exposes private information. [1] http://wogue.org/piwik/ - alex - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/marketing-**listhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Statistics and how do we serve our website users
On 11/14/2012 04:08 PM, alex diavatis wrote: Hello Andreas, On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se mailto:li...@andreasn.se wrote: On 11/14/2012 03:54 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Hi! It's been almost a full year since we started running statistics on gnome.org http://gnome.org with Piwik. I thought it would be good to look at these numbers and see if there is anything we can do to improve. Oh, and do let me know if there is anything specific, like search engine stats, visits over certain time periods, screen sizes or anything else that anyone is particularly interested in. I was wondering if you could make anonymous account for Piwik, like we have [1]. As part of Gnome openness and sharing information. Of course you can hide any module you think it exposes private information. [1] http://wogue.org/piwik/ I'm not totally opposed to this idea, provided that we don't expose anyone's sensitive data. Will look into it. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hello, Just a quick note: My provider hasn't refresh your DNS happybirthdaygnome.org/com it is on 199.xxx.xxx.xxx for me I guess many more providers will have the same issue Cheers - alex On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Mon, August 13, 2012 8:56 pm, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Hi Karen, considering that we have only about 48 hours, shall we delay the celebration to GNOME's month of anniversary instead of the day? That way we can get further input from Andreas and get the texts and materials done. Well, it seems to me that there's been substantial work done by Juanjo and Andreas to get this going so it seems like we'll be able to get something up by Wednesday, but they could be the first of multiple materials we put up during the month if we want to! That way we could add the history of GNOME talk and other bits of content over the rest of the month... I definitely defer to Andreas and Juanjo about what they want to do though. karen The keynote video would be cool, but GUADEC team (Juanjo pinged, I pinged Chema) has not responded. Another way to frame this would be to link it to the anniversary but not necessarily make it because of it. Diego On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, August 12, 2012 11:37 pm, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Hi again, On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Juanjo MarÃn juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote Since version 2.0, we have release notes in http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/ I think small memories will be enough (maybe in a table format) and Diego can write special reports for the releases he mentioned (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) in a mini tour in the life of the gnome project I would use Wikipedia's table as a starting point for a timeline. I would add special mentions to 5 or 4 releases (the ones I am proposing to focus). 2) [tentative] to provide VMs for the releases Diego want to focus (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) GNOME 1.4, Red Hat (done by Germán) GNOME 2.0 ? GNOME 2.14 Ubuntu 6.04 GNOME 3.0 OpenSUSE 11.4 GNOME 3.4 Fedora 17 Considering time, I would only use Germán's VM and say something like look how far we have come in all these years (as GNOME and as GNU/Linux) Yeah, we've only got unitil Wednesday! I think keeping it simple is going to be key! I think Bastien Nocera has a collection of old icons. Yeah. That would be cool. How would it work on the page however? A small icon grid for fun? Andreas :)? Also, jrb sends me this link, which has a whole bunch of pictures and other materials that he, Federico and Dave used for their talk... https://github.com/federicomenaquintero/guadec-2012-keynote karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
On Sun, August 12, 2012 11:37 pm, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Hi again, On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Juanjo MarÃn juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote Since version 2.0, we have release notes in http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/ I think small memories will be enough (maybe in a table format) and Diego can write special reports for the releases he mentioned (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) in a mini tour in the life of the gnome project I would use Wikipedia's table as a starting point for a timeline. I would add special mentions to 5 or 4 releases (the ones I am proposing to focus). 2) [tentative] to provide VMs for the releases Diego want to focus (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) GNOME 1.4, Red Hat (done by Germán) GNOME 2.0 ? GNOME 2.14 Ubuntu 6.04 GNOME 3.0 OpenSUSE 11.4 GNOME 3.4 Fedora 17 Considering time, I would only use Germán's VM and say something like look how far we have come in all these years (as GNOME and as GNU/Linux) Yeah, we've only got unitil Wednesday! I think keeping it simple is going to be key! I think Bastien Nocera has a collection of old icons. Yeah. That would be cool. How would it work on the page however? A small icon grid for fun? Andreas :)? Also, jrb sends me this link, which has a whole bunch of pictures and other materials that he, Federico and Dave used for their talk... https://github.com/federicomenaquintero/guadec-2012-keynote karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:17:00AM -0400, Karen Sandler wrote: What should we have on the site? It would be nice if people could respond. E.g. share their stories / memories. Explicitly maybe ask for certain type of responses. Suggest disqus, though the non-free javascript might get a comment from RMS. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 11:17:00AM -0400, Karen Sandler wrote: HappyBirthdayGNOME.com and HappyBirthdayGNOME.org Make sure following is in /etc/hosts: 209.132.180.176 HappyBirthdayGNOME.org 209.132.180.176 HappyBirthdayGNOME.com To commit things to the website: - Git repository happybirthdaygnome-web Same setup as gnome3.org I haven't tested the setup extensively To see the website: http://HappyBirthdayGNOME.org/ Username: happy Password: birthday Please tell me at what time date that password should be removed! == We should check tomorrow if /etc/hosts is still required! -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hi Karen, considering that we have only about 48 hours, shall we delay the celebration to GNOME's month of anniversary instead of the day? That way we can get further input from Andreas and get the texts and materials done. The keynote video would be cool, but GUADEC team (Juanjo pinged, I pinged Chema) has not responded. Another way to frame this would be to link it to the anniversary but not necessarily make it because of it. Diego On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, August 12, 2012 11:37 pm, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Hi again, On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote Since version 2.0, we have release notes in http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/ I think small memories will be enough (maybe in a table format) and Diego can write special reports for the releases he mentioned (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) in a mini tour in the life of the gnome project I would use Wikipedia's table as a starting point for a timeline. I would add special mentions to 5 or 4 releases (the ones I am proposing to focus). 2) [tentative] to provide VMs for the releases Diego want to focus (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) GNOME 1.4, Red Hat (done by Germán) GNOME 2.0 ? GNOME 2.14 Ubuntu 6.04 GNOME 3.0 OpenSUSE 11.4 GNOME 3.4 Fedora 17 Considering time, I would only use Germán's VM and say something like look how far we have come in all these years (as GNOME and as GNU/Linux) Yeah, we've only got unitil Wednesday! I think keeping it simple is going to be key! I think Bastien Nocera has a collection of old icons. Yeah. That would be cool. How would it work on the page however? A small icon grid for fun? Andreas :)? Also, jrb sends me this link, which has a whole bunch of pictures and other materials that he, Federico and Dave used for their talk... https://github.com/federicomenaquintero/guadec-2012-keynote karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
On Mon, August 13, 2012 8:56 pm, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Hi Karen, considering that we have only about 48 hours, shall we delay the celebration to GNOME's month of anniversary instead of the day? That way we can get further input from Andreas and get the texts and materials done. Well, it seems to me that there's been substantial work done by Juanjo and Andreas to get this going so it seems like we'll be able to get something up by Wednesday, but they could be the first of multiple materials we put up during the month if we want to! That way we could add the history of GNOME talk and other bits of content over the rest of the month... I definitely defer to Andreas and Juanjo about what they want to do though. karen The keynote video would be cool, but GUADEC team (Juanjo pinged, I pinged Chema) has not responded. Another way to frame this would be to link it to the anniversary but not necessarily make it because of it. Diego On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, August 12, 2012 11:37 pm, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Hi again, On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Juanjo MarÃn juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote Since version 2.0, we have release notes in http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/ I think small memories will be enough (maybe in a table format) and Diego can write special reports for the releases he mentioned (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) in a mini tour in the life of the gnome project I would use Wikipedia's table as a starting point for a timeline. I would add special mentions to 5 or 4 releases (the ones I am proposing to focus). 2) [tentative] to provide VMs for the releases Diego want to focus (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) GNOME 1.4, Red Hat (done by Germán) GNOME 2.0 ? GNOME 2.14 Ubuntu 6.04 GNOME 3.0 OpenSUSE 11.4 GNOME 3.4 Fedora 17 Considering time, I would only use Germán's VM and say something like look how far we have come in all these years (as GNOME and as GNU/Linux) Yeah, we've only got unitil Wednesday! I think keeping it simple is going to be key! I think Bastien Nocera has a collection of old icons. Yeah. That would be cool. How would it work on the page however? A small icon grid for fun? Andreas :)? Also, jrb sends me this link, which has a whole bunch of pictures and other materials that he, Federico and Dave used for their talk... https://github.com/federicomenaquintero/guadec-2012-keynote karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
- Mensaje original - De: Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.org Para: Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es CC: ka...@gnome.org ka...@gnome.org; marketing-list@gnome.org marketing-list@gnome.org Enviado: Sábado 11 de agosto de 2012 20:52 Asunto: Re: happy birthday GNOME website! Action items? I can contact Chema and the GUADEC team about the history of GNOME video. Would you like to start writing the memories for each release? OK. My action plan is 1) write the memories. I started a google document, but I haven't had enough time to do the job yet. I copy the table from the wikipedia as a base to start write small summaries of each release ASAP https://docs.google.com/document/d/101nyeoVAES2hKJB2sXas1D7Zh00bI2YfhI2Hd-D4sL4/edit Since version 2.0, we have release notes in http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/ I think small memories will be enough (maybe in a table format) and Diego can write special reports for the releases he mentioned (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) in a mini tour in the life of the gnome project 2) [tentative] to provide VMs for the releases Diego want to focus (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) GNOME 1.4, Red Hat (done by Germán) GNOME 2.0 ? GNOME 2.14 Ubuntu 6.04 GNOME 3.0 OpenSUSE 11.4 GNOME 3.4 Fedora 17 Like I said, I would only do a few releases, not all. See my previous proposal. Ideas about the different GNOME generations taken from http://jeudisdulibre.be/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bxl-jeudis-gnome-3.pdf GNOME 1 = Much more user friendly than typical windows managers, but not still ready for everybody GNOME 2 = Made to be usable by everybody. GNOME applications should follow the Human Interface Guidelines (First document of this kind and scope in Free Software desktop space). Accessibility is integrated by switching from a “bolted-on” to a “built-in” model GNOME 3 = _Designed_ to be usable by everybody. A much more holistic approach to take desktop usability to the next level. It incorporates support for modern form factors and internet services. Andreas perhaps might want to chime on what would be cool to gather for the design: screenshots? old icons? the video? I think Bastien Nocera has a collection of old icons. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hi again, On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote Since version 2.0, we have release notes in http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/ I think small memories will be enough (maybe in a table format) and Diego can write special reports for the releases he mentioned (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) in a mini tour in the life of the gnome project I would use Wikipedia's table as a starting point for a timeline. I would add special mentions to 5 or 4 releases (the ones I am proposing to focus). 2) [tentative] to provide VMs for the releases Diego want to focus (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) GNOME 1.4, Red Hat (done by Germán) GNOME 2.0 ? GNOME 2.14 Ubuntu 6.04 GNOME 3.0 OpenSUSE 11.4 GNOME 3.4 Fedora 17 Considering time, I would only use Germán's VM and say something like look how far we have come in all these years (as GNOME and as GNU/Linux) I think Bastien Nocera has a collection of old icons. Yeah. That would be cool. How would it work on the page however? A small icon grid for fun? Andreas :)? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hey Alex On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:15 PM, alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Juanjo! That was really really creepy! I remembered when I was back in school and I had that, with a Slackware 3.0 or something Can you believe that I got emotional? Jesus! Anyway, can I share that link? Not yet, and not that link. If we implement this for the 15th birthday, we will put it in GNOME's server. Right now it is on a private location that is not meant for public use. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hola Juanjo, On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote: Germán Poó has some old virtual machines. Maybe it would be good idea to offer a virtual machine to try it. He has GNOME 1.0.56, 1.2 and 1.4. They are based in Red Hat. Version 1.0.56 (qemu image) and 1.2 (linux 2.2, vmdk) are tricky to run. Version 1.4 (linux 2.4, vmdk) is easy to run, so I think is perfect for us. The user is gnome, password gnomehistory (same for root). If people like the idea, we can prepare other VMs of the other GNOME versions based on different distros. I think if we do this, we should use the OVF/OVA format. If this is doable, great. But I fear that we will not be able to get the tricky ones on time. A funny thing to do would be to make this images available in GNOME FTP. As a geeky toy for people who want to try them. But even then, I would not go further back than 1.4. As a side note, reading an old interview to Miguel de Icaza in GNOME 1.X days, I really like this reply: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/00/04/03/2344211/miguel-de-icaza-tells-all I understand that for a seasoned Unix user GNOME might not bring a new paradigm for their way they work, but you have to think differently. You have to think how many people have or will be able to run free software on their desktops because it is easier to use. We do plan on continuing improving GNOME, and catering to the needs of the people who are just starting to use computers and just starting to use GNU/Linux. This is a great quote. Perhaps we can chase Miguel to update it. Action items? I can contact Chema and the GUADEC team about the history of GNOME video. Would you like to start writing the memories for each release? Like I said, I would only do a few releases, not all. See my previous proposal. Andreas perhaps might want to chime on what would be cool to gather for the design: screenshots? old icons? the video? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
+1 to Virtual Disks! Can I get a d/l link to try them? -alex On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.orgwrote: Hola Juanjo, On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote: Germán Poó has some old virtual machines. Maybe it would be good idea to offer a virtual machine to try it. He has GNOME 1.0.56, 1.2 and 1.4. They are based in Red Hat. Version 1.0.56 (qemu image) and 1.2 (linux 2.2, vmdk) are tricky to run. Version 1.4 (linux 2.4, vmdk) is easy to run, so I think is perfect for us. The user is gnome, password gnomehistory (same for root). If people like the idea, we can prepare other VMs of the other GNOME versions based on different distros. I think if we do this, we should use the OVF/OVA format. If this is doable, great. But I fear that we will not be able to get the tricky ones on time. A funny thing to do would be to make this images available in GNOME FTP. As a geeky toy for people who want to try them. But even then, I would not go further back than 1.4. As a side note, reading an old interview to Miguel de Icaza in GNOME 1.X days, I really like this reply: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/00/04/03/2344211/miguel-de-icaza-tells-all I understand that for a seasoned Unix user GNOME might not bring a new paradigm for their way they work, but you have to think differently. You have to think how many people have or will be able to run free software on their desktops because it is easier to use. We do plan on continuing improving GNOME, and catering to the needs of the people who are just starting to use computers and just starting to use GNU/Linux. This is a great quote. Perhaps we can chase Miguel to update it. Action items? I can contact Chema and the GUADEC team about the history of GNOME video. Would you like to start writing the memories for each release? Like I said, I would only do a few releases, not all. See my previous proposal. Andreas perhaps might want to chime on what would be cool to gather for the design: screenshots? old icons? the video? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hello Juanjo! That was really really creepy! I remembered when I was back in school and I had that, with a Slackware 3.0 or something Can you believe that I got emotional? Jesus! Anyway, can I share that link? Really thank you for it! - alex On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Juan Jose Marin Martinez juanj.ma...@juntadeandalucia.es wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:41:22 +0300, alex diavatis wrote: +1 to Virtual Disks! Can I get a d/l link to try them? You can try the GNOME 1.4 version: http://calcifer.org/tmp/vm/**gnome14.vmdk.xzhttp://calcifer.org/tmp/vm/gnome14.vmdk.xz don't forget it uses a linux 2.4 kernel The user is gnome, password gnomehistory (same for root) Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
I think the foundational message from Miguel is worth to be mentioned: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-list/1997-August/msg00123.html Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hi, On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: I'll email jrb and see if there are any materials they have that we should use from their talk (maybe we can post their talk, actually). We can ping the GUADEC team and ask them if they could have that keynote published in advance of the others. Also, I think that some infographics+screenshots can be enough to produce awesomeness. I could think of a slideshow or vertical scroll which goes through the most important GNOME versions by date (we won´t be able to get screenshots of everything). Each slide has the screenshot, a small memory of the context of it (from GUADEC talk) and perhaps a small graph (this could also be independent) of contributors, commits. The last one might be too tricky for the short time we have. So I think we would have to write: 1. the main text on the top of the page 2. the memory for each screenshot 3. some other patches I would decide now which versions we want to have on display, proposal: 1.4 = the last 1.x GNOME, shows off the age of options, emphasis on the beginnings 2.0 = the flamed 2.x release, with comments on the many activity it had, emphasis on dare to change 2.14 = the midpoint of the 2.x cycle (right?), emphasis on progressive evolution 3.0 = the flamed 3.0 release, emphasis on a new vision (or something that says we were brave enough to pursue our ideas) 3.4 = the 1 year after release of the 3.x series, emphasis on vision keeps going Thanks Karen! Diego -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
- Mensaje original - De: Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.org Para: ka...@gnome.org CC: marketing-list@gnome.org Enviado: Viernes 10 de agosto de 2012 17:56 Asunto: Re: happy birthday GNOME website! Hi, On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: I'll email jrb and see if there are any materials they have that we should use from their talk (maybe we can post their talk, actually). We can ping the GUADEC team and ask them if they could have that keynote published in advance of the others. Also, I think that some infographics+screenshots can be enough to produce awesomeness. I could think of a slideshow or vertical scroll which goes through the most important GNOME versions by date (we won´t be able to get screenshots of everything). Each slide has the screenshot, a small memory of the context of it (from GUADEC talk) and perhaps a small graph (this could also be independent) of contributors, commits. The last one might be too tricky for the short time we have. So I think we would have to write: 1. the main text on the top of the page 2. the memory for each screenshot 3. some other patches I would decide now which versions we want to have on display, proposal: 1.4 = the last 1.x GNOME, shows off the age of options, emphasis on the beginnings 2.0 = the flamed 2.x release, with comments on the many activity it had, emphasis on dare to change 2.14 = the midpoint of the 2.x cycle (right?), emphasis on progressive evolution 3.0 = the flamed 3.0 release, emphasis on a new vision (or something that says we were brave enough to pursue our ideas) 3.4 = the 1 year after release of the 3.x series, emphasis on vision keeps going I like the idea. We have to talk about the length of the texts. Germán Poó has some old virtual machines. Maybe it would be good idea to offer a virtual machine to try it. He has GNOME 1.0.56, 1.2 and 1.4. They are based in Red Hat. Version 1.0.56 (qemu image) and 1.2 (linux 2.2, vmdk) are tricky to run. Version 1.4 (linux 2.4, vmdk) is easy to run, so I think is perfect for us. The user is gnome, password gnomehistory (same for root). If people like the idea, we can prepare other VMs of the other GNOME versions based on different distros. I think if we do this, we should use the OVF/OVA format. http://calcifer.org/tmp/vm/ About the text, I have a selection of urls that can help to the process: * Story of the early days of GNOME http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/gnome-history.html * dates of the versions of gnome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME * release notes: http://www-old.gnome.org/press/releases/ * Press reviews of dot zero GNOME versions: http://www.osnews.com/story/1280/A_User_s_First_Look_at_GNOME_2_0 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/04/ars-reviews-gnome-30-a-shiny-new-ornament-for-your-linux-lawn/ * GNOME in the Academia: http://libresoft.es/publications/2005-developer-identification-msr https://hostdb.ece.utexas.edu/~perry/education/382v-s08/papers/german.pdf http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/chapters/0262562278chap11.pdf http://www.alialmossawi.com/ali_almossawi_thesis_final.pdf As a side note, reading an old interview to Miguel de Icaza in GNOME 1.X days, I really like this reply: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/00/04/03/2344211/miguel-de-icaza-tells-all I understand that for a seasoned Unix user GNOME might not bring a new paradigm for their way they work, but you have to think differently. You have to think how many people have or will be able to run free software on their desktops because it is easier to use. We do plan on continuing improving GNOME, and catering to the needs of the people who are just starting to use computers and just starting to use GNU/Linux. because I think this can be told in the GNOME 2 and 3 days :-) Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
happy birthday GNOME website!
As many of you know from GUADEC, GNOME's 15th anniversary is coming up very soon - on August 15! Some of us were talking about putting up a website, and after Andreas' suggestion at GUADEC I went ahead and registered HappyBirthdayGNOME.com and HappyBirthdayGNOME.org What should we have on the site? We've got all that great footage taken by the outreach participants at GUADEC, which we should definitely use if we can... We don't have a lot of time, so I think we should keep things simple, if possible. karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
How about a look how far we've come piece, very brief, could be done with pictures e.g. a screenshot of GNOME 1.0, 1.4, 2.0, 2.32, and the latest build of 3.6 (or go with 3.4, if we want to keep it to releases)? That might be a nice visual retrospective. -Brett On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: As many of you know from GUADEC, GNOME's 15th anniversary is coming up very soon - on August 15! Some of us were talking about putting up a website, and after Andreas' suggestion at GUADEC I went ahead and registered HappyBirthdayGNOME.com and HappyBirthdayGNOME.org What should we have on the site? We've got all that great footage taken by the outreach participants at GUADEC, which we should definitely use if we can... We don't have a lot of time, so I think we should keep things simple, if possible. karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: As many of you know from GUADEC, GNOME's 15th anniversary is coming up very soon - on August 15! Some of us were talking about putting up a website, and after Andreas' suggestion at GUADEC I went ahead and registered HappyBirthdayGNOME.com and HappyBirthdayGNOME.org What should we have on the site? This is a fantastic idea - thanks for making it happen! A few ideas: * Leave a birthday message (probably too much work, and would require moderation, but would be nice) * Some stats which summarise our accomplishments - number of commits, committers, bugs fixed, releases, companies involved, number of GUADECs, Foundation members, etc * A super short history - In 1997 two university students set out to create a Free Software desktop... I think it is important that the site is forward looking also. Here's to another 15 years carries a good message. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
On 08/03/2012 05:57 PM, Allan Day wrote: Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: HappyBirthdayGNOME.com and HappyBirthdayGNOME.org What should we have on the site? This is a fantastic idea - thanks for making it happen! A few ideas: * Leave a birthday message (probably too much work, and would require moderation, but would be nice) Could be done with a twitter feed that pick up on hashtags possibly. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
On 08/03/2012 05:17 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: As many of you know from GUADEC, GNOME's 15th anniversary is coming up very soon - on August 15! Some of us were talking about putting up a website, and after Andreas' suggestion at GUADEC I went ahead and registered HappyBirthdayGNOME.com and HappyBirthdayGNOME.org What should we have on the site? A simple photo gallery would be nice. Deadline for when the site needs to be up is August 15th btw. I'll start working on a design. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
On Fri, August 3, 2012 12:22 pm, Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 08/03/2012 05:17 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: As many of you know from GUADEC, GNOME's 15th anniversary is coming up very soon - on August 15! Some of us were talking about putting up a website, and after Andreas' suggestion at GUADEC I went ahead and registered HappyBirthdayGNOME.com and HappyBirthdayGNOME.org What should we have on the site? A simple photo gallery would be nice. Deadline for when the site needs to be up is August 15th btw. I'll start working on a design. cool! I took all of the ideas thus far and put them here: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/HappyBirthdayGNOME If there's something you want to work on, add your name to the item! I'll email jrb and see if there are any materials they have that we should use from their talk (maybe we can post their talk, actually). karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website(s) todo list
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Brian Cameron wrote: While foundation.gnome.org is looking much better, it seems really hard to find pages like: http://www.gnome.org/foundation/governance/ http://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/ I don't agree with you here, the 'membership' page is definitely not hard to find, it has two links on the homepage, but I would love having a sidebar with all the available pages under the /foundation hood. (like we do on [1] for example) http://www.gnome.org/foundation/finance/ http://www.gnome.org/foundation/reports/ https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard And the voting section used to be part of fgo, but seems unlinked at all from the fgo pages. The voting section still seems to use the old look and feel but is not listed on the TODO page: http://vote.gnome.org/ The vote area had to remain at its old place for many reasons, one of them is the fact we don't have a ready voting platform available elsewhere. As I outlined many times, the plan is to integrate it into Mango (not the one we know, but the django version, which is a work-in-progress), so I'm not sure whether we should spend time designing a new voting area at this moment of time. (it has to be said that the Mango re-design will take ages cause Jeff Schroeder's busy times) It would be a big plus if the Board could start discussing a renewed voting system or platform, the one we use is really outdated. cheers, Andrea [1] http://www.gnome.org/foundation/governance signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website(s) todo list
Andreas and Christy - thanks so much for putting this list together, it's great to have. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Andrea Veri a...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Brian Cameron wrote: While foundation.gnome.org is looking much better, it seems really hard to find pages like: http://www.gnome.org/foundation/governance/ http://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/ A couple of relevant bugs: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671795 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671815 I wonder if we could organise an event to get new web hackers involved? Like a GNOME web hack day, or something? Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Website(s) todo list
Just a quick heads up that I had a chat with Christy on IRC the other day and we came up with a short todo list for a bunch of our websites to make them fit in better with the new gnome.org site. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/ToDo There are a lot of open questions about how to make this happen for some of the sites (none of these are hosted anywhere in git that I know of, and some of them runs technologies that almost don't have any kind of styling system), but we'll try to grab some sysadmins and figure these parts out. Related to this, Elena Petrevska have been accepted as an intern to work on implementing the style changes to these sites during the summer, but if anyone else have experience with say cgit or mailman styling, I'm sure she'll appreciate any help she can get. Oh, and thanks to the hard work from Christy, we finally managed to release the new Friends of GNOME page, that not only is integrated in the wordpress system, but also have a donation process that is a lot more straight forward and allows you to make a donation with a fewer clicks compared to before. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website(s) todo list
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se wrote: Oh, and thanks to the hard work from Christy, we finally managed to release the new Friends of GNOME page, that not only is integrated in the wordpress system, but also have a donation process that is a lot more straight forward and allows you to make a donation with a fewer clicks compared to before. - Andreas Thank you, Christy for all your hard work on this. Believe it or not, but it's contributors like you that really make GNOME fun place to volunteer and work. If you realized how much trouble we've had with web infrastructure through the years, you'll understand how awesome it is that you've worked so diligently on this project. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website(s) todo list
Working with the GNOME project has been nothing but fun, not to mention the incredible people I've gotten to know! Thank you both for your kind words. Christy On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.mewrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.sewrote: Oh, and thanks to the hard work from Christy, we finally managed to release the new Friends of GNOME page, that not only is integrated in the wordpress system, but also have a donation process that is a lot more straight forward and allows you to make a donation with a fewer clicks compared to before. - Andreas Thank you, Christy for all your hard work on this. Believe it or not, but it's contributors like you that really make GNOME fun place to volunteer and work. If you realized how much trouble we've had with web infrastructure through the years, you'll understand how awesome it is that you've worked so diligently on this project. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website(s) todo list
Andreas: While foundation.gnome.org is looking much better, it seems really hard to find pages like: http://www.gnome.org/foundation/governance/ http://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/ http://www.gnome.org/foundation/finance/ http://www.gnome.org/foundation/reports/ https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard And the voting section used to be part of fgo, but seems unlinked at all from the fgo pages. The voting section still seems to use the old look and feel but is not listed on the TODO page: http://vote.gnome.org/ So, I think the foundation section has some TODO's remaining. Brian On 04/26/12 08:19 AM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Just a quick heads up that I had a chat with Christy on IRC the other day and we came up with a short todo list for a bunch of our websites to make them fit in better with the new gnome.org site. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/ToDo There are a lot of open questions about how to make this happen for some of the sites (none of these are hosted anywhere in git that I know of, and some of them runs technologies that almost don't have any kind of styling system), but we'll try to grab some sysadmins and figure these parts out. Related to this, Elena Petrevska have been accepted as an intern to work on implementing the style changes to these sites during the summer, but if anyone else have experience with say cgit or mailman styling, I'm sure she'll appreciate any help she can get. Oh, and thanks to the hard work from Christy, we finally managed to release the new Friends of GNOME page, that not only is integrated in the wordpress system, but also have a donation process that is a lot more straight forward and allows you to make a donation with a fewer clicks compared to before. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website(s) todo list
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 03:19:31PM +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Related to this, Elena Petrevska have been accepted as an intern to work on implementing the style changes to these sites during the summer, but if anyone else have experience with say cgit or mailman styling, I'm sure she'll appreciate any help she can get. cgit is pretty easy. Just a header and a footer HTML file. Mailman is somewhat impossible. Not styled atm. The styles used for the archives + main website are in sysadmin-bin and mhonarc. Requires regenerating the entire archive.. that's imperfect/imprecise. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: interview for SCALE website
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 07:46 +0100, Juanjo Marín wrote: IMO, web integration in the desktop is the hot new feature of GNOME 3.2. Well, Epiphany has a webapp mode and we have google integration for contacts and documents, but that's it basically. I wouldn't call this web integration (yet). andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper | http://www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: interview for SCALE website
- Mensaje original - De: Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net Para: marketing-list@gnome.org CC: Enviado: lunes 19 de septiembre de 2011 10:35 Asunto: Re: interview for SCALE website On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 07:46 +0100, Juanjo Marín wrote: IMO, web integration in the desktop is the hot new feature of GNOME 3.2. Well, Epiphany has a webapp mode and we have google integration for contacts and documents, but that's it basically. I wouldn't call this web integration (yet). Thanks André for pointing this out. This isn't our last word about web integration in the desktop, it's just our first steps in this area. Maybe something like In this release we are starting the pillars about how the web can be intregated flawlessly into the desktop metaphore could be more precise (if my poor English doesn't suck too much) Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: interview for SCALE website
2011/9/19 Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es: - Mensaje original - De: Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net Para: marketing-list@gnome.org CC: Enviado: lunes 19 de septiembre de 2011 10:35 Asunto: Re: interview for SCALE website On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 07:46 +0100, Juanjo Marín wrote: IMO, web integration in the desktop is the hot new feature of GNOME 3.2. Well, Epiphany has a webapp mode and we have google integration for contacts and documents, but that's it basically. I wouldn't call this web integration (yet). Thanks André for pointing this out. This isn't our last word about web integration in the desktop, it's just our first steps in this area. Maybe something like In this release we are starting the pillars about how the web can be intregated flawlessly into the desktop metaphore could be more precise (if my poor English doesn't suck too much) Scratch the desktop metaphor bit. ;) It's true that there's an online focus in 3.2 though. Aside from web applications there's also GNOME Online Accounts and initial versions of new GNOME applications (Documents and Contacts) that are designed with online integration at the forefront. That initiative is important to ensure that Free Software remains relevant to users, and it's something that will continue with subsequent releases. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Adding Flattr to GNOME website
Hi, What do people think about adding Flattr buttons (See https://flattr.com/ ) to the GNOME website? 1. It's a nice way for users to show their appreciation to GNOME. 2. It's trivial to add as the GNOME site is running wordpress and there is a flattr plugin 3. It's again a bit of revenue for the GNOME foundation that can be used for improving GNOME Jaap -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
Hi Luc,
Thanks for all the comments! Much appreciated.
Luc Pionchon wrote:
Hello,
I am looking at http://wptest.gnome.org/. There has been a huge work
done since last time I looked at it, wow! Here are a few quick
comments,
In the front page,
For more GNOME news:
I would not point at planet.go in first place, especially for people
discovering GNOME it might be confusing. I see planet.go more as the
voice of the community than a news feed for everybody. Maybe we
should point at twitter feed or the whole archive of the main page
news, or?
Agreed. I'd prefer to have the social media links there.
On the bottom links,
The GNOME project
I would rename teams to The GNOME Community the same way as The
GNOME Foundation. It would include also the people's map, traditional
meetings (confs, hackfest), the https://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct,
link to planet.go etc. So it is more *people* oriented than just a
team list.
It could be nice to have a community page. We certainly need a place for
the worldwide map. I'd quite like to leave the teams page separate,
though. GNOME is a hard project to navigate, and I was hoping that a
clearly labeled guide to the various working groups in the project would
help newcomers to find their way around.
Products
I would rename Applications to GNOME Applications
I figured it would be obvious that the apps are GNOME apps... maybe this
point could do with reiteration though.
Products / GNOME is free software
I would add a link to a page GNOME is free software. The page would
explain what is free software, link to GPL, LGPL and source code.
The About page already asserts GNOME's Free Software values. Do we need
a separate page for this? We already link to the GNU site. That does a
good job of explaining what Free Software is.
Resources
Wikis are used for so many things, I would rename wiki to Live
documentation (wiki)
But it's not just documentation...
I would rename Code hosting to [Browse ]GNOME source code
Yeah, 'Code hosting' isn't good. 'Development Code', perhaps? ('GNOME
Source Code' could be tarballs.)
I would not link to jhbuild, this is pretty hot for a high level
entry.
I kinda like it that the footer links to the key development resources
(and JhBuild is pretty key). The site isn't just for users; it's for
developers too. I understand the concern about making it too development
focused, though. Anybody else got a view on this?
Resources / User support
It think there should be a top level entry, in first place, for users
only: User support. I am a user, I am lost on jhbuild page, where
should I go? Documentation, forums, ml, irc, bug reports, etc. The
GNOME support portal [1], and the GNOME support Forums [2] are doing a
pretty good job here too.
[1] http://gnomesupport.org/
[2] http://gnomesupport.org/forums/
I am not sure who is behind and what is the relation between gnome and
gnomesupport though i think they should work hand in hand (or foot in
foot?)
I don't think GNOME is in the position to offer high-quality support
yet, and I don't want to users' hopes up. Maybe in the future...?
There's some advice about this on the contact page, the first piece of
which is 'go to your distro first'.
News
overall I feel it is missing a place for general news on gnome.
You're right - there are gaps in our news coverage (which isn't to say
that there aren't *some* good sources of GNOME news).
Another source for news is footnotes (http://gnomedesktop.org/) which
used to do a pretty good job, though seems a bit down recently. Again,
foot in foot work would be great!
Footnotes doesn't have the right level of quality, imo. Plus it seems a
bit too independent of the GNOME project.
I would put identi.ca and twitter on the same line, as the content is
identi.cal: GNOME tweets at identi.ca or twitter
Nice idea. That would be a bit long though, wouldn't it?
On the language selection:
It is pretty neat :) though I feel it non obvious. map = language? is
click-able? I found it by chance. Isn't it all the opposite of GNOME
design philosophy? An arrow down would help. Or why not just a simple
permanent language list?
Good catch. I think Andreas is working on this. :)
Another idea: why not keep this underground for developer resource
links? And use the grassy middle ground for users, partners and press?
(the separation line could be more like grass/soil with little stones
and roots)
I'm not sure I want to separate user stuff and developer stuff that
much. The wiki is applicable to both, as are the mailing lists, IRC and
Bugzilla.
GNOME 3.0 Desktop http://wptest.gnome.org/desktop/
I would simplify the first sentence as Get things done with ease,
comfort and control
I've been wondering about that too. I'd wanted to keep the word design
in there because good design seems to be something that many users look
for. Maybe it would be better being shorter though...
Paragraphs in general
would be much easier
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
Hi, Can we all meet at 16h (UTC) today for a meeting to draw plan for the deployment? Olav, maybe Christer could join to help us too? What do you think? --lucasr 2011/4/3 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 12:51:28AM +0100, Andreas Nilsson wrote: http://wptest.gnome.org/ is design-wise in a pretty good shape. I've created a page on live.gnome.org to describe the things which needs to be figured out: https://live.gnome.org/MigrateWwwGnomeOrg It is really incomplete, but at least a start. It needs to be expanded and then converted into a step-by-step plan of things to do when a switch is made. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
In the #webhackers channel, of course :-) --lucasr 2011/4/5 Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org: Hi, Can we all meet at 16h (UTC) today for a meeting to draw plan for the deployment? Olav, maybe Christer could join to help us too? What do you think? --lucasr 2011/4/3 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl: On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 12:51:28AM +0100, Andreas Nilsson wrote: http://wptest.gnome.org/ is design-wise in a pretty good shape. I've created a page on live.gnome.org to describe the things which needs to be figured out: https://live.gnome.org/MigrateWwwGnomeOrg It is really incomplete, but at least a start. It needs to be expanded and then converted into a step-by-step plan of things to do when a switch is made. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 01:37:37AM -0300, Vinicius Depizzol wrote: On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 14:37, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: I've created a page on live.gnome.org to describe the things which needs to be figured out: https://live.gnome.org/MigrateWwwGnomeOrg Thanks for this, Olav! I filled the list with some more things. The two main points I can see are: (the others are just about copying files and creating redirect links afaik) My biggest one is Incomplete Todo list -- it is incomplete. Also, putting random things in Wordpress might not be the right solution. Let's discuss at the meeting. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 10:40:01AM +0100, Lucas Rocha wrote: Can we all meet at 16h (UTC) today for a meeting to draw plan for the deployment? Olav, maybe Christer could join to help us too? What do you think? Ok. Note: I have almost 0 wordpress experience. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 09:38:57AM +0100, Allan Day wrote: Resources / User support It think there should be a top level entry, in first place, for users only: User support. I am a user, I am lost on jhbuild page, where should I go? Documentation, forums, ml, irc, bug reports, etc. The GNOME support portal [1], and the GNOME support Forums [2] are doing a pretty good job here too. [1] http://gnomesupport.org/ [2] http://gnomesupport.org/forums/ I am not sure who is behind and what is the relation between gnome and gnomesupport though i think they should work hand in hand (or foot in foot?) I don't think GNOME is in the position to offer high-quality support yet, and I don't want to users' hopes up. Maybe in the future...? There's some advice about this on the contact page, the first piece of which is 'go to your distro first'. So just say that: 1) go to your distro support page 2) gnomesupport.org exists, but we don't have the resources and would appreciate anyone who could help answer existing questions (call them the gnome support group or something) IMO developers should not visit forums. Too much whining/trolling, negativity and waste of resources (generally same question is answered loads of times). Instead: gnome support group -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 14:37, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: I've created a page on live.gnome.org to describe the things which needs to be figured out: https://live.gnome.org/MigrateWwwGnomeOrg Thanks for this, Olav! I filled the list with some more things. The two main points I can see are: (the others are just about copying files and creating redirect links afaik) - Split of projects.gnome.org and people.gnome.org from gnomeweb-wml ^ Can this be done before the switch? - Migrate Friends of GNOME (and ruler) to gnomeweb-wp repo FoG have the only pieces that should stay together with the new website that still uses WML. Pages should go be place back in HTML -- am I right? Who can we contact to cover this and the other things? Thanks! -- Vinicius Depizzol vdepiz...@gmail.com http://vinicius.depizzol.com.br -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:34:50PM -0300, Vinicius Depizzol wrote: | $cmd = /usr/bin/xml2po -m xhtml -p . PO_DIR . $po_file -o $translated_xml_file . XML_DIR . gnomesite.xml; that is also *very* bad. Don't execute via shell! I fully agree this is pretty ugly. Do you have any suggestion regarding this (a way to execute xml2po via php without executing it with shell)? Thank you! This seems the nicest way: http://nl3.php.net/manual/en/function.pcntl-exec.php Also noticed the following: http://nl3.php.net/manual/en/function.escapeshellcmd.php http://nl3.php.net/manual/en/function.escapeshellarg.php but IMO that is a bad solution. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 12:51:28AM +0100, Andreas Nilsson wrote: http://wptest.gnome.org/ is design-wise in a pretty good shape. I've created a page on live.gnome.org to describe the things which needs to be figured out: https://live.gnome.org/MigrateWwwGnomeOrg It is really incomplete, but at least a start. It needs to be expanded and then converted into a step-by-step plan of things to do when a switch is made. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
Vinicius Depizzol wrote: Hey Allan and Andreas! I'll be working the most I can to help on that during all the following days. I'll give a pause in the localization plugin by now and focus in the design of the pages (we can't have translated content in time anyway). Great news. By the way, I got a question regarding this structure. Do we want to keep the news area[1] right now? Let's keep it, and add a 'More News' button to the bottom of the news section on the home page. Ooo, also: can we have the snazzy Identica/Twitter/Facebook links on the home page too? PS: I just changed the way WordPress handles the footer menu. Now there is only one footer tab, instead of footer-N for each column. To make a different column, just adjust the tree. Code is committed, but if it is not correctly displayed in the website, it needs to wait to be updated in the server. Got it. Would it be possible to make the footer section headers not be links? Best, Allan -- Blog: https://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 04:49:19PM +0100, Lucas Rocha wrote: If the current css is the only thing that causes problems on other sites, maybe we could just keep it inside our Wordpress instance (using same path) while we figure out a long-term plan after the release? It wasn't the only thing I raised... I'm not saying no, just saying: please make a migration plan. E.g. having wptest.gnome.org is nice, but it is not on the final server. I have 0 experience with Wordpress, so not sure how much I can do. We also have blogs.go with is an old Wordpress. I'd like both to be served by the same thing.. puppetized, etc. All these things is just off the top of my head; it is not complete, for that we need to document what the implications are. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:39:46PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: Did you talk to someone from gnome-sysadmin or arrange it'll actually happen? Looking at: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnomeweb-wp/tree/wp-content/plugins/wppo/wppo.php | $wppo_cache[$p-ID] = $wpdb-get_row (SELECT * FROM . $wpdb-prefix . wppo WHERE post_id = ' . $p-ID . ' AND (lang = ' . $lang . ' OR lang = ' . $fallback_lang . '), ARRAY_A); That is bad. Please do proper escaping. It doesn't matter if the $lang and so on is restricted to well known values; it *must* be escaped! Further, the SQL returns 2 rows, no? Dealt with (the PHP is a bit difficult to read)? | $cmd = /usr/bin/xml2po -m xhtml -p . PO_DIR . $po_file -o $translated_xml_file . XML_DIR . gnomesite.xml; that is also *very* bad. Don't execute via shell! Similarly: | mkdir (WPPO_DIR, 0777); | mkdir (PO_DIR, 0777); | mkdir (POT_DIR, 0777); | mkdir (XML_DIR, 0777); Can't this be 755? -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 15:35, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: Looking at: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnomeweb-wp/tree/wp-content/plugins/wppo/wppo.php | $wppo_cache[$p-ID] = $wpdb-get_row (SELECT * FROM . $wpdb-prefix . wppo WHERE post_id = ' . $p-ID . ' AND (lang = ' . $lang . ' OR lang = ' . $fallback_lang . '), ARRAY_A); That is bad. Please do proper escaping. It doesn't matter if the $lang and so on is restricted to well known values; it *must* be escaped! Hey Olav! The localization plugin won't be used the first days after GNOME 3.0 release. This is clearly something that must fixed before using it. | $cmd = /usr/bin/xml2po -m xhtml -p . PO_DIR . $po_file -o $translated_xml_file . XML_DIR . gnomesite.xml; that is also *very* bad. Don't execute via shell! I fully agree this is pretty ugly. Do you have any suggestion regarding this (a way to execute xml2po via php without executing it with shell)? Thank you! Similarly: | mkdir (WPPO_DIR, 0777); | mkdir (PO_DIR, 0777); | mkdir (POT_DIR, 0777); | mkdir (XML_DIR, 0777); Can't this be 755? Changed and commited. Thank you! -- Vinicius Depizzol vdepiz...@gmail.com http://vinicius.depizzol.com.br -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
Hey Allan and Andreas! I'll be working the most I can to help on that during all the following days. I'll give a pause in the localization plugin by now and focus in the design of the pages (we can't have translated content in time anyway). By the way, I got a question regarding this structure. Do we want to keep the news area[1] right now? PS: I just changed the way WordPress handles the footer menu. Now there is only one footer tab, instead of footer-N for each column. To make a different column, just adjust the tree. Code is committed, but if it is not correctly displayed in the website, it needs to wait to be updated in the server. Good night from 04:33 in the morning! :) [1] http://wptest.gnome.org/news/2010/10/desktop-summit-2011-to-be-held-in-berlin-germany/ On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:57, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: I've redrafted quite a few of the pages. I'd appreciate any feedback people might have. Me and Andreas have been working on the site at the Bangalore hackfest, and have been discussing the content that should go on the desktop and get involved pages. We've come up with a new structure for the footer, which indicates the content that we'll be aiming to have on the site when it relaunches: The GNOME Project - About Get involved Team Workspaces The GNOME Foundation Support GNOME Contact Resources - Wiki IRC Bug tracker JhBuild Code hosting Documentation Mailing lists News Planet GNOME GNOME News GNOME Journal Latest release We'll be cracking on with this over the next few days, so please chip in with ideas and comments. Allan -- Blog: https://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Vinicius Depizzol vdepiz...@gmail.com http://vinicius.depizzol.com.br -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched
I think this was already covered by Frederic in http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2011-March/msg00147.html The message you cited is one I've already responded to on this list on March 23. (Search for People who think they are synonymous have misunderstood the substance.) by asking for a concrete proposal. I'm trying to be flexible and work with the rest of you, but I can offer specific proposals too. How about these: Boost your business in Freedom, with Free Software Free your business with Free Software Or swatantra, in honor of India? I'd rather see the complete website translated instead of some single words to some languages as a surprise in the English version. That was a concrete suggestion for one way to express the idea that it's free-as-in-freedom. Here's another. Make a background image with a repeating text that says Free as in freedom. It would say this in small letters, in light gray on white so it looks like a watermark and doesn't interfere with reading other text. Repeating every inch vertically, and every two inches, horizontally, like this: Free as in freedom Free as in freedomFree as in freedom Free as in freedom Free as in freedomFree as in freedom Free as in freedom Free as in freedomFree as in freedom Free as in freedom Free as in freedomFree as in freedom I am neither a graphics designer nor an expert on HTML, Someone who understands those things better might see a far better way. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org Skype: I won't use it, because it's freedom-denying software. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: The last long steps of the gnome.org website
On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 00:51 +0100, Andreas Nilsson wrote: I won't go about with some kind of inpirational blah-blah-blah about how the last steps of climbing a mountain, when you are closest to the top are the hardest, because I never did that. I saw some dude on TV saying that though. Anyway. http://wptest.gnome.org/ is design-wise in a pretty good shape. What's needed right now is taking it the last steps and making it a great website for our great project. For this to happen we need to sharpen the focus of it, make sure the texts and images are good and that everything works as expected when we launch GNOME 3. There are some darlings to be killed, some very dear ones. But this is needed in order to get the most fundamental parts in place. The basic navigation would be: home | about | desktop | applications | developer technologies Home - (very) Brief introduction, latest news and all that. About - Our community, history, organization etc. Desktop - Present shell (pretty much lifting info from http://www.gnome3.org/), Control Center, etc. Applications - The really cool applications we want to highlight. You know, Banshee, Deja-dup, Gedit and those guys from the GNOME Apps module [1] Developer tech - Languages, GTK+, Clutter, Gstreamer, Telepathy and all those guys. I expect us to figure out the exact subpages along the way, but if these guys are the basis and I want to start in that end. Allan have said he would help with the content, myself will be doing some design stuff and Vdepizzol will be taking care of the translation stuff the following weeks leading up to the GNOME 3 Hackfest in Bangalore. I hope we'll be done with most of the basics by then and are as close to deployment as possible. Final release would be together with GNOME 3 on April 6th. Me and Allan also created a Etherpad document here: http://etherpad.tugraz.at/x593dDuQ2C 1. http://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/plain/modulesets/gnome-apps-3.0.modules - Andreas I've redrafted quite a few of the pages. I'd appreciate any feedback people might have. Me and Andreas have been working on the site at the Bangalore hackfest, and have been discussing the content that should go on the desktop and get involved pages. We've come up with a new structure for the footer, which indicates the content that we'll be aiming to have on the site when it relaunches: The GNOME Project - About Get involved Team Workspaces The GNOME Foundation Support GNOME Contact Resources - Wiki IRC Bug tracker JhBuild Code hosting Documentation Mailing lists News Planet GNOME GNOME News GNOME Journal Latest release We'll be cracking on with this over the next few days, so please chip in with ideas and comments. Allan -- Blog: https://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched
On Sat, 2011-03-26 at 23:17 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: Can we fit freedom in there somehow? I think this was already covered by Frederic in http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2011-March/msg00147.html by asking for a concrete proposal. Or swatantra, in honor of India? I'd rather see the complete website translated instead of some single words to some languages as a surprise in the English version. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper | http://www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched
Made the changes within the direction of your comments. I do however have some comments further feedback (below): On 03/24/2011 09:39 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: While I think you have a strong point about the missing message about GNOME and free software I believe a lot of people outside of the US (at least) use the expression 'Open Source' as a synonym of Free Software. People who think they are synonymous have misunderstood the substance of either free software or open source. In my experience, most often they have misunderstood the substance of free software. They have heard the idea labeled open source and they think that free software is the same idea. Teaching them the truth about this is a high priority for us. We want them to know what free software really stands for. First we have to show them it is not the same as opensource. For a lot of people opensource represents what you call Free Software. Language evolves, mentality change. Is what really matters the terminology or the intention in which people do things and care? Not using the words behind which people associate their passions is missing out on including them and not something I want to be doing. Sure we can educate them about proper English or proper history/semantic but we shouldn't either make them feel guilty or exclude them. I want them to look at the site and feel it's for them too, because it is. And I could add that the term freedom is a poorly chosen word in some context/area of the world (which has somewhat forced communities to chose OSS instead). But we're getting off topic now. :-) I prefer to unite the potentially 2 communities (assuming they are split). They aren't two communities -- they are two philosophical camps within one community. Sometimes they can work together, but they can't unite unless people change their views. We might wish to convince all open source supporters to change their views, but realistically speaking it is not likely they will. Considering the hatred from some on either side it has become 2 communities. Some definitely don't want to participate in anything associated with Free Software, while others refuse to attend anything associated with Open Source. So they both have their little groups of people highlighting the differences... Please set up your site to help educate viewers about free software and what it stands for. In fact in all the FOSS that you said should be removed they were used in the context of biggest FOSS event in xxx country which in that context is important to keep. It was not at all referring to any ideology or development methodology but to a group of conferences covering either or both thus making it important to keep it that way (I replaced with the full wordings). I just removed Open Source in the goal section as promoting Free Software also advocates for the open source development model though encompasses the bigger picture. I would be happy to hear how you would advertise in 4/5 words the session where we're trying to encourage local IT services companies to embrace free software and show them that they can run a business around it? How about... Run Your Business on Freedom Your Business deserves Freedom too I picked Boost your business with Free Software which unfortunately removes GNOME from the slogan but has the advantage to keep a fairly accurate summary of what the session is about and makes you happy too. Anyway thank you for your feedback as it definitely helped us to rewrite some sections in a much better way. Fred -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched
On Mar 26, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Frederic Muller wrote: I picked Boost your business with Free Software which unfortunately removes GNOME from the slogan but has the advantage to keep a fairly accurate summary of what the session is about and makes you happy too. Yeah, it's certainly unfortunate that the mention of GNOME needed to be removed from promotional materials for the GNOME Asia Summit in order to provide minimal support for the free software movement, but it makes Richard happy. And that's what's _important. You folks thrill me. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched
I picked Boost your business with Free Software Thanks. That makes free software fairly prominent in the event. Can we fit freedom in there somehow? Or swatantra, in honor of India? Either one would make it clearer that free doesn't mean gratis. which unfortunately removes GNOME from the slogan Not to worry. The most prominent piece of the event's PR is its name, and that's where you say it is about GNOME. This slogan's purpose is to say what GNOME stands for -- such as Free Software. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org Skype: Don't use Skype, it's proprietary software! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched
Dear Richard, Thanks for the feedback, I launched the site on Sunday night at 3am and my phone line has been cut Monday morning at around 8am (they are working on the line...). While I've been hoping and fighting to get it back I finally had to resolve myself to go out and find a place with free Internet. I actually wanted to make changes (there was/are still a few other mistakes). And this is when my laptop fan died preventing my pc to start... we have a French expression for that which would translate into something like 'when it rains, it pours'. So 3 days later I still have no convenient Internet connection, but a brand new fan landed in my laptop chassis. I'm catching up... While I think you have a strong point about the missing message about GNOME and free software I believe a lot of people outside of the US (at least) use the expression 'Open Source' as a synonym of Free Software. I prefer to unite the potentially 2 communities (assuming they are split). And I dislike FLOSS as a term: I read LOSS in it (the fully worded version is way too long for my taste as well). Since I'm writing some of the text on the site, I get to pick ;-) Now I'll review your comments and make improvements. I would be happy to hear how you would advertise in 4/5 words the session where we're trying to encourage local IT services companies to embrace free software and show them that they can run a business around it? So thanks a lot. I'll post on the list when changes are made. Fred On 03/23/2011 01:22 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: I looked at the home page. The sponsors get more screen area than GNOME. This seems like an event to promote them more than an event to promote GNOME. The top line uses the word monetize -- a word that carries the worst fashion of today's usual mercenary attitude -- but says nothing about freedom. It does say free software, but in that context people are likely to suppose that free means gratis, and there is nothing on the home page to tell them otherwise. There needs to be something on the home page that clearly refers to freedom and shows that free means freedom. The way that I can think of is to have a graphic with various words for free: ziyou, jiyuu-na, tu do, swatantra, mukt, etc., as well as free itself. (This method is somewhat trite, so it would be nice to think of something more creative.) I looked at Who Should Attend page. It mentions 5 goals, and all those goals are good, but the most important goal -- freedom on your computer -- is missing. The page says FLOSS a few times, and free and open source once. To fully promote free software, it should always say free/libre or free/swatantra. Mentioning open source is a distraction here, so that term shouldn't be present. I looked at the speakers page. I was glad to see that you're giving a talk about software freedom. However, for each person who attends your talk, a thousand will view the home page. We need to get the message of freedom into the home page so that thousands will see it. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched
While I think you have a strong point about the missing message about GNOME and free software I believe a lot of people outside of the US (at least) use the expression 'Open Source' as a synonym of Free Software. People who think they are synonymous have misunderstood the substance of either free software or open source. In my experience, most often they have misunderstood the substance of free software. They have heard the idea labeled open source and they think that free software is the same idea. Teaching them the truth about this is a high priority for us. We want them to know what free software really stands for. First we have to show them it is not the same as opensource. I prefer to unite the potentially 2 communities (assuming they are split). They aren't two communities -- they are two philosophical camps within one community. Sometimes they can work together, but they can't unite unless people change their views. We might wish to convince all open source supporters to change their views, but realistically speaking it is not likely they will. Please set up your site to help educate viewers about free software and what it stands for. I would be happy to hear how you would advertise in 4/5 words the session where we're trying to encourage local IT services companies to embrace free software and show them that they can run a business around it? How about... Run Your Business on Freedom Your Business deserves Freedom too -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org Skype: Don't use Skype, it's proprietary software! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched
I looked at the home page. The sponsors get more screen area than GNOME. This seems like an event to promote them more than an event to promote GNOME. The top line uses the word monetize -- a word that carries the worst fashion of today's usual mercenary attitude -- but says nothing about freedom. It does say free software, but in that context people are likely to suppose that free means gratis, and there is nothing on the home page to tell them otherwise. There needs to be something on the home page that clearly refers to freedom and shows that free means freedom. The way that I can think of is to have a graphic with various words for free: ziyou, jiyuu-na, tu do, swatantra, mukt, etc., as well as free itself. (This method is somewhat trite, so it would be nice to think of something more creative.) I looked at Who Should Attend page. It mentions 5 goals, and all those goals are good, but the most important goal -- freedom on your computer -- is missing. The page says FLOSS a few times, and free and open source once. To fully promote free software, it should always say free/libre or free/swatantra. Mentioning open source is a distraction here, so that term shouldn't be present. I looked at the speakers page. I was glad to see that you're giving a talk about software freedom. However, for each person who attends your talk, a thousand will view the home page. We need to get the message of freedom into the home page so that thousands will see it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org Skype: Don't use Skype, it's proprietary software! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched
Dear all, I've been told I should post more about the stuff we're doing for GNOME.Asia Summit here so here a humble attempt. We have pushed the updated website last night at 3am (luckily, since we had no Internet the whole day today) and everyone can view it at http://2011.gnome.asia . The work has been made possible thanks to the acquisition of 2 regional sponsors (regional as in Asian based) covering the commercial template (which we have slightly adapted) and the shiny brand new VPS (the site was previously hosted by one of the member of the GNOME.Asia team). All in all the preparation has been rather succesful from sponsors support to speakers attending. I'd like to thank everyone for making the trip to Bangalore for the GNOME 3.0 hackfest and the conference and the support from everyone we've contacted as well (some who can't make it). Of course we'll blog in more details very soon but in the meantime we thought we could share the news here. If you spot any typo or browser compatibility issue (the trucks @ the bottom don't work in chrome - known issue) please do let us know. Thanks to help us promote the event as well. Fred -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
FoG website update
Hi, I just pushed a couple small updates to the Friends website[1]. I updated the sidebar to be add updates from 2010, including a11y, usability and hiring a sysadmin. (It was showing 2008 stuff!) I also updated the Amazon page[2] with support for Chromium and Chrome from Jaap's last blog post. (Thanks Jaap!) Paul [1] http://www.gnome.org/friends/ [2] http://www.gnome.org/friends/amazon/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME website copy
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: Silly question - was GCDS funded by FoG at all? I thought that GCDS was pretty much funded by corporate sponsors. GCDS and GUADEC are both sponsored 100% by corporate donations and bring in enough to help with other things throughout the year. Also, why limit to 2009? We're mid-way through 2010, or close, and we already know FoG is going to allow us to hire a system administrator... we probably ought to mention that, even if that fiscal year isn't over. Maybe we could just say something like In the past year A quick crack, others have any points? Funds from the Friends of GNOME Program make it possible for the GNOME Project to: * Bring GNOME contributors to Zaragoza, Spain for a marketing hackfest and meeting with regional government about Free Software. * Send GNOME accessibility (a11y) team members to the San Diego a11y hackfest. * Raise enough funds to hire a system administrator for GNOME's infrastructure. * Conduct a GNOME usability hackfest in London. * Improve documentation with a Documentation Hackfest in Owen Sound. ### Other thoughts? AFAIK, and I might be wrong on this, event funding has mostly come from corporate donors. Is that separate from FoG? If so, we might not want to mix the two and suggest FoG is funding something that the corporate sponsors have funded. I like your list. It's easy to tell which events are 100% corporate funded. So the a11y hackfest was pretty much covered by the Mozilla donation. Although the new a11y hackfest in Sevilla at AEGIS could be listed (once it happens.) And I'm not sure the Documentation Hackfest got funding from us ... The rest are all good to mention as FoG. There's also the GSettings hackfest - we paid for travel for that one. Stormy -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Friends of GNOME website copy
(Oops, must have hit a shortcut key for send, sorry about that) Anyone want to take a try at updating some of the copy on the Friends of GNOME[1] website? It currently says: Thanks to donations, in 2008 we were able to: * Run an Accessibility Outreach Program that resulted in 6 long-term tasks completed with three more on going in documentation, magification and mouse control through a webcam. * Organise a GTK+ hackfest that was widely seen as successful for getting the GTK+ developers in the same place and was essential to planning the future of GTK+. We plan to build on this success by using the hackfest * Grow our world-wide community of developers, including holding our first GNOME.Asia in Beijing last October. We should update that for 2009. Maybe talk about GCDS and some of the hackfests[2]? If you create the words, I'll commit it in Git. :) Thanks! Paul [1] http://www.gnome.org/friends/ [2] http://live.gnome.org/Hackfests -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing Hackfest Kickoff - GNOME 3.0 Website Feedback Requested
Hi, We're just a couple of weeks away from the Marketing Hackfest. One of the ideas that's come up is to have a GNOME 3.0 specific website (or subsite). I don't know if this means it will use the new Plone CMS that's currently being set up or something else, but for the moment that's not important. I'd like to gather community feedback (that's you!) on what you'd like to see a GNOME 3.0 website feature. Please reply to the list - everyone's feedback is welcome! Thanks. Best, Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Hackfest Kickoff - GNOME 3.0 Website Feedback Requested
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 20:48 -0500, Paul Cutler wrote: Hi, We're just a couple of weeks away from the Marketing Hackfest. One of the ideas that's come up is to have a GNOME 3.0 specific website (or subsite). I don't know if this means it will use the new Plone CMS that's currently being set up or something else, but for the moment that's not important. I'd like to gather community feedback (that's you!) on what you'd like to see a GNOME 3.0 website feature. Please reply to the list - everyone's feedback is welcome! Thanks. Best, Paul For me, I've seen 3.0 demonstrations a couple of times, including at the last Marketing hackfest in Chicago. And honestly, I couldn't quite grasp what 3.0 is truly about. A lot of cool exciting words thrown about, but it looked also like something that requires quite a bit of learning curve if you're used to the old way and are a creature of habit (like me!) Learning is always the single biggest challenge in any adoption. So I suggest marketing 3.0 by teaching how to use it right off the bat. Create some simulations on the website where people can abe guided step by step. Not a read-through tutorial, but an actual simulation. if you do this step, watch what happens. Bravo. Now let's try another trick Bravo... Next.. and so on. People can get a rudimentary feel for how to use 3.0 and feel less intimidated than when they try it out of the box. This would reduce telling people RTFM, dude! (which I hate) and would help close the gaps between the knows and dont-knows. It also can give a user experience to those out there who haven't tried GNOME/FOSS and can get a little taste of it before actually trying GNOME/FOSS. That's my thought right out of the gate here. How easy it is to actually create such a simulation? I wouldn't know. :-) Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Hackfest Kickoff - GNOME 3.0 Website Feedback Requested
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: We're just a couple of weeks away from the Marketing Hackfest. One of the ideas that's come up is to have a GNOME 3.0 specific website (or subsite). I don't know if this means it will use the new Plone CMS that's currently being set up or something else, but for the moment that's not important. I'd like to gather community feedback (that's you!) on what you'd like to see a GNOME 3.0 website feature. Please reply to the list - everyone's feedback is welcome! Bouncing off the November hackfest: we should point to interactions between maintainers and anyone else on social networks where possible. Facebook doesn't really allow that (I think?) but we could do that with the microblog and blogging sites. Or maybe we just aggregate a whole bunch of social media sources like a microblog version of Planet GNOME? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GUADEC website needs some love
Hi all, Koen and Sanne, the people leading GUADEC organisation this year, are having a lot of trouble finding people who are motivated and available to ensure that the GUADEC website is up to scratch, looking pretty and appetising, and with relevant content easy to find. First, have a look at http://www.guadec.org to see what the state of play is - it's a standard OpenConferenceWare set-up, from what I can tell, with very little styling or graphical content. Some suggested improvements which could get done quickly would be to start announcing keynotes for this year, or advertising past speakers keynotes (photos and content), creating a GUADEC logo for this year's conference (or at the very least, revisiting the old one which has been in use since 2006), and proposing an alternative layout styling which better matches GNOME's visual identity. Are there people here who have some time over the next couple of weeks to help them? I'm not sure where the CMS is installed, or what would be involved in getting changes made to it, but let's do what we can to improve the site and allow the GUADEC organisers to concentrate on the business of making the conference great. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [guadec-list] GUADEC website needs some love
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 01:19:20PM +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Koen and Sanne, the people leading GUADEC organisation this year, are having a lot of trouble finding people who are motivated and available to ensure that the GUADEC website is up to scratch, looking pretty and appetising, and with relevant content easy to find. First, have a look at http://www.guadec.org to see what the state of play is - it's a standard OpenConferenceWare set-up, from what I can tell, with very little styling or graphical content. Some suggested improvements which could get done quickly would be to start announcing keynotes for this year, or advertising past speakers keynotes (photos and content), creating a GUADEC logo for this year's conference (or at the very least, revisiting the old one which has been in use since 2006), and proposing an alternative layout styling which better matches GNOME's visual identity. Are there people here who have some time over the next couple of weeks to help them? I'm not sure where the CMS is installed, or what would be involved in getting changes made to it, but let's do what we can to improve the site and allow the GUADEC organisers to concentrate on the business of making the conference great. Ehrmz, people are working on this. There is a new design, ready to go online. There's 3 people already on the web team. If anyone is interested in helping out, sure that'd be great. But the above text is perhaps a bit misleading. Gr, Koen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [guadec-list] GUADEC website needs some love
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 01:19:20PM +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Some suggested improvements which could get done quickly would be to start announcing keynotes for this year, or advertising past speakers keynotes (photos and content), creating a GUADEC logo for this year's conference (or at the very least, revisiting the old one which has been There is already a logo btw, so before anyone starts putting a lot of effort in this, let's first wait for Vinicius to finish his work on the site so we can see what's there already. Gr, Koen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [guadec-list] GUADEC website needs some love
Hi, Koen Martens wrote: Ehrmz, people are working on this. There is a new design, ready to go online. There's 3 people already on the web team. If anyone is interested in helping out, sure that'd be great. But the above text is perhaps a bit misleading. Perhaps I misunderstood Sanne's message earlier when he said: there are a lot of bridges to be crossed [snip] One is i.e. the still crappy GUADEC website, despite [our] efforts to have GNOME involvement here. What help do you need, then? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Website - Pending Content Tasks
Hi All, I've done some work on the Products section (items under http://website-editors.gnome.org/products). Pages nearly completed: 1. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products/desktop - there is a TODO item of updating the list of apps. Any input from marketing on which apps we should highlight? 2. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products/desktop/why - content looks good, initial proofreading done, I can't think of anything to add 3. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products/desktop/testimonials - Just added new intro text, initial proofreading done. There is still a Call to Action for GNOME platform or download. Not sure what this means. 4. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products/platform - Added some new content here, please review. Pages with no content: 1. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products - Any direction on content here? Currently there is none. 2. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products/submit - Will this be a form? What kind of content should appear here? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME and the new website
I like it as well. We're going to be adding Google Checkout as a payment option as well. I don't know if that should figure into the design now or if we can just figure it out later. Stormy On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/friends-20.png 1. Initial page setup 2. Hovering a option grays out the others and show what you'll get in return 3. Clicking a option brings up the additional details you need to fill out. Clicking the donation button brings you directly to the paypal page. I do like the overall design. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - Pending Content Tasks
On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 12:43 -0400, Darton Williams wrote: [snip] 3. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products/desktop/testimonials - Just added new intro text, initial proofreading done. There is still a Call to Action for GNOME platform or download. Not sure what this means. Fixed it. If you could proof-read that part, again, that would be cool. Thanks. Regards, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - Pending Content Tasks
On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 12:43 -0400, Darton Williams wrote: Thanks for your work Darton :) I've done some work on the Products section (items under http://website-editors.gnome.org/products). Pages nearly completed: 1. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products/desktop - there is a TODO item of updating the list of apps. Any input from marketing on which apps we should highlight? Have we got information about which applications are more popular between our users?. If not, maybe is good idea to collect this info asking to our major distribution (eg. Ubuntu, Fedora and SuSe). A link to a complete list of applications could a good idea as well. I'm worry about some projects that officially are not part of GNOME. We should say that these are applications developed by the GNOME project, but there are more GNOME applications outside the GNOME project umbrella. 2. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products/desktop/why - content looks good, initial proofreading done, I can't think of anything to add 3. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products/desktop/testimonials - Just added new intro text, initial proofreading done. There is still a Call to Action for GNOME platform or download. Not sure what this means. I'd like to have photographs of happy faces using GNOME ;) Apart of journalists, we can add use-cases. For example, I work for the Andalusian government. Though I'm not directly involved in the deployment of Guadalinex, our GNU/Linux GNOME-based distro, I can approach to high level positions on the regional administration charged of the free software policy and IT stuff to get some information. The important thing is to define what we want to get. We have a nearly year by year report on presentations on GUADECs http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/node/218 http://ajsa.net/GUADEC-2007-CGA.pdf This distro is used on these projects: 1) A large based depolyment on schools This year, they are distributing laptops with Guadalinex to the pupils http://capileiratic.blogspot.com/2010/01/escuela-tic-20-reparto-de-portatiles.html This is, by far, the biggest and most interesting project. 2) Deployments on public libraries 3) Deployments on internet centers for digital alphabetization 4. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products/platform - Added some new content here, please review. I think is good idea to add a GNOME stack graphic here, similar to the one we have on GNOME mobile [1]. It is important to state that these components are part of the GNOME project. GTK is our most, if not only, well known GNOME technology by the general public, we must give the message that we've got very fancy technologies ready to be used apart of GTK+. A testimonial part on the platform is important too. We can add some projects like Sugar, Firefox, Google Chrome, MeGoo (not too much information by now, but possibly there are GNOME technologies in the middleware. An the GTK+ is supported by the community, we are supposed to have received money for that), LiMo (tough I don't have too much info neither) to name a few. We need to convey an idea of success using GNOME technologies. [1] http://www.gnome.org/mobile/ Pages with no content: 1. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products - Any direction on content here? Currently there is none. In my opinion, our products a two: the desktop and the platform. 2. http://website-editors.gnome.org/products/submit - Will this be a form? What kind of content should appear here? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME and the new website
I like the design a lot :-) Jaap On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 02:12, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.se wrote: With the new GNOME website [1] coming up soonish, I thought it would be nice to update the Friends of GNOME website as well, so I did some mockups. Some goals I wanted to accomplish: * Adapt the layout to the new site. * Shorten the donation process. * Present less information on initial page (but easy to access). http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/friends-20.png 1. Initial page setup 2. Hovering a option grays out the others and show what you'll get in return 3. Clicking a option brings up the additional details you need to fill out. Clicking the donation button brings you directly to the paypal page. The Amazon store thing, the badge and the OLPC stuff would go below the sidebar. What do you think? 1. http://website-editors.gnome.org/ - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME and the new website
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/friends-20.png 1. Initial page setup 2. Hovering a option grays out the others and show what you'll get in return 3. Clicking a option brings up the additional details you need to fill out. Clicking the donation button brings you directly to the paypal page. I do like the overall design. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Friends of GNOME and the new website
With the new GNOME website [1] coming up soonish, I thought it would be nice to update the Friends of GNOME website as well, so I did some mockups. Some goals I wanted to accomplish: * Adapt the layout to the new site. * Shorten the donation process. * Present less information on initial page (but easy to access). http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/friends-20.png 1. Initial page setup 2. Hovering a option grays out the others and show what you'll get in return 3. Clicking a option brings up the additional details you need to fill out. Clicking the donation button brings you directly to the paypal page. The Amazon store thing, the badge and the OLPC stuff would go below the sidebar. What do you think? 1. http://website-editors.gnome.org/ - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - News and Press Releases
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, I've the necessary content updates to allow us to post press releases on the new website. They are under a 'Press/Media' folder in the Contact section. http://website-editors.gnome.org/contact/press/releases I started importing the existing press releases to our CMS. So far, I've migrated all press releases from 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010. Need volunteers to finish this as there still quite many press releases to import. Anyone? Got it. --dartonw -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - News and Press Releases
Imported everything back to 2001; the publishing date dropdown doesn't go back any further. All new imports are still unpublished and do not have short URLs. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, I've the necessary content updates to allow us to post press releases on the new website. They are under a 'Press/Media' folder in the Contact section. http://website-editors.gnome.org/contact/press/releases I started importing the existing press releases to our CMS. So far, I've migrated all press releases from 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010. Need volunteers to finish this as there still quite many press releases to import. Anyone? Some general guidelines: - Each press release is added as a 'News entry' in the 'Press Releases' folder. - I'm trying to keep the same page names than the current website. So, if a press release page is '2009-11-guadec2010.html', the respective press release entry in the new website will have a '2009-11-guadec2010' short name. If have to enable short name editing in your profile to be able to define short names on website content items. - Set the publish date to the same date than the original press release - Keep same title than the original - Copy/pasting the content in the Plone text editor gives good results, no need for extra editing. We need a volunteer to import all news from the current website to Plone too. Cheers! --lucasr ___ gnome-web-list mailing list gnome-web-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Website - Pending Content Tasks
Hi All, A couple of questions: 1. Are the projects listed at http://projects.gnome.org/ what we want to refer to on http://website-editors.gnome.org/products? 2. Are there specific GNOME products we want to highlight or is this page meant to be a complete list, or both? --dartonw -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - Pending Content Tasks
Hi, 2010/2/22 Darton Williams dart...@gmail.com: Hi All, A couple of questions: 1. Are the projects listed at http://projects.gnome.org/ what we want to refer to on http://website-editors.gnome.org/products? Not yet. We still have to discuss what's the plan for GNOME apps in the new website. So, the initial plan for the Products section is to only talk about the Desktop and Platform. Have a look at the content table in the wiki: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/TwoPointTwentyseven/Content The content marked for 2.28 is the stuff we want in the first version of the website. Everything else can be worked out later. 2. Are there specific GNOME products we want to highlight or is this page meant to be a complete list, or both? Desktop and Platform. For the Platform, we could provide a good summarized overview of: http://library.gnome.org/devel/platform-overview/nightly/ Maybe Shaun and/or GNOME documentation team could help here? --lucasr -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - News and Press Releases
Hi Zonker, 2010/2/22 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org wrote: I started importing the existing press releases to our CMS. So far, I've migrated all press releases from 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010. Need volunteers to finish this as there still quite many press releases to import. Anyone? I'll raise my hand. I should have some time Wednesday if you can get me access to edit the site. It seems that Darton has finished this task already. Maybe you could help with other parts of the content? I've sent a message about pending content: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2010-February/msg00135.html In any case, send me an email with: Full name Login name Email So that I can create a Plone account for you. Cheers! --lucasr -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - Pending Content Tasks
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 19:40 +, Lucas Rocha wrote: 2. Are there specific GNOME products we want to highlight or is this page meant to be a complete list, or both? Desktop and Platform. For the Platform, we could provide a good summarized overview of: http://library.gnome.org/devel/platform-overview/nightly/ Maybe Shaun and/or GNOME documentation team could help here? I could put something together. It would help me to see the blurb for the desktop first, to get a sense of the tone. My experience is in technical documentation, not marketing copy. But I can usually manage to monkey-see-monkey-do. Are we only talking about the desktop platform, or are we trying to push other Gnome-based platforms? Note that I'm currently drafting a comprehensive plan for restructuring our developer documentation. This includes figuring out which pieces deserve to be mentioned in the Platform Overview. I've started discussions about this in the past, but we never come to any real conclusions. I mention this because I think it affects what technologies we should highlight on the products page. -- Shaun -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - News and Press Releases
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org wrote: I started importing the existing press releases to our CMS. So far, I've migrated all press releases from 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010. Need volunteers to finish this as there still quite many press releases to import. Anyone? I'll raise my hand. I should have some time Wednesday if you can get me access to edit the site. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - Pending Content Tasks
Him 2010/2/19 Darton Williams dart...@gmail.com: Just added some content to http://website-editors.gnome.org/contact/foundation so something would be there; pretty much verbatim from foundation.gnome.org. Cool, thanks! I've made some formatting improvements. --lucasr -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - Pending Content Tasks
FYI: I disabled the Windows and Mac pages in Download section for now. --lucasr 2010/2/19 Darton Williams dart...@gmail.com: For http://website-editors.gnome.org/download/sources: 1. Added feature/intro text, please review 2. Added some explanation of version numbering 3. TODO item of encourage use of JHBuild: please review text under Use a build tool 4. Updated all version references to current as of this email Best, dartonw ___ gnome-web-list mailing list gnome-web-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - Pending content tasks
Hi Vikram, 2010/2/19 Vikram Dhillon dhillon...@gmail.com: I'll give the download page a final review and start working on the Latest Sources stuff. Any advice before I get working? Thanks. It seems that Darton is already working on the Download section (including the latest source page). Maybe you could focus on another part of the content? A final review on the Download section is welcome anyway. Assign yourself to the pages in the content table here: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/TwoPointTwentyseven/Content Once you got a final draft or review, update the table and send a quick not about the draft to web and marketing list. Cheers! --lucasr -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Website - Pending Content Tasks
Just added some content to http://website-editors.gnome.org/contact/foundation so something would be there; pretty much verbatim from foundation.gnome.org. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - Pending content tasks
I'll give the download page a final review and start working on the Latest Sources stuff. Any advice before I get working? Thanks. -- Regards, Vikram Dhillon ~~~ There are lots of Linux users who don't care how the kernel works, but only want to use it. That is a tribute to how good Linux is. -- Linus Torvalds On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: I would recommend staying with second person You but being more formal GNOME is rather than contractions. Paul On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Darton Williams dart...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org wrote: Download: - Main page looks ok, a final review would be nice. http://website-editors.gnome.org/download Marking as Draft Available, proofread. Quick note: the How to Install GNOME section uses contractions (GNOME is - GNOME's) resulting in an informal voice, is this the intent? You're already running a Linux or UNIX distribution, but GNOME's missing? Don't hesitate: GNOME's very... - Distributions page is a bit outdated. Someone needs to check the data and update it accordingly with latest GNOME releases. http://website-editors.gnome.org/download/distributions Verified distros listed, added a few more shipping 2.28. Marking as Draft Available. - Installation page has a too long intro. Has a lot of TODO items in the shown data. Needs volunteers. - Live Images content looks mostly ok, a final review would be nice. Has a TODO item about Bittorrents. - GNOME apps on Windows still needs content. Needs volunteers. - GNOME apps on Mac still needs content. Needs volunteers. - Latest Sources needs intro. Has a bunch of TODO items. Needs volunteers. Best, dartonw ___ gnome-web-list mailing list gnome-web-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list ___ gnome-web-list mailing list gnome-web-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Website - News and Press Releases
Hi, I've the necessary content updates to allow us to post press releases on the new website. They are under a 'Press/Media' folder in the Contact section. http://website-editors.gnome.org/contact/press/releases I started importing the existing press releases to our CMS. So far, I've migrated all press releases from 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010. Need volunteers to finish this as there still quite many press releases to import. Anyone? Some general guidelines: - Each press release is added as a 'News entry' in the 'Press Releases' folder. - I'm trying to keep the same page names than the current website. So, if a press release page is '2009-11-guadec2010.html', the respective press release entry in the new website will have a '2009-11-guadec2010' short name. If have to enable short name editing in your profile to be able to define short names on website content items. - Set the publish date to the same date than the original press release - Keep same title than the original - Copy/pasting the content in the Plone text editor gives good results, no need for extra editing. We need a volunteer to import all news from the current website to Plone too. Cheers! --lucasr -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - Pending content tasks
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org wrote: Download: - Main page looks ok, a final review would be nice. http://website-editors.gnome.org/download Marking as Draft Available, proofread. Quick note: the How to Install GNOME section uses contractions (GNOME is - GNOME's) resulting in an informal voice, is this the intent? You're already running a Linux or UNIX distribution, but GNOME's missing? Don't hesitate: GNOME's very... - Distributions page is a bit outdated. Someone needs to check the data and update it accordingly with latest GNOME releases. http://website-editors.gnome.org/download/distributions Verified distros listed, added a few more shipping 2.28. Marking as Draft Available. - Installation page has a too long intro. Has a lot of TODO items in the shown data. Needs volunteers. - Live Images content looks mostly ok, a final review would be nice. Has a TODO item about Bittorrents. - GNOME apps on Windows still needs content. Needs volunteers. - GNOME apps on Mac still needs content. Needs volunteers. - Latest Sources needs intro. Has a bunch of TODO items. Needs volunteers. Best, dartonw -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - Pending content tasks
Hi, Darton! On Mon, 2010-02-15 at 14:09 -0500, Darton Williams wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org wrote: Download: - Main page looks ok, a final review would be nice. http://website-editors.gnome.org/download Marking as Draft Available, proofread. Quick note: the How to Install GNOME section uses contractions (GNOME is - GNOME's) resulting in an informal voice, is this the intent? Yes, that's the intent. The copy should appear casual and conversational. Thanks for your help! Regards, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Website - Content Guidelines
Hi, I thought it would be useful to define some general guidelines when creating, editing, and reviewing content in the new Plone website. Here are some initial suggestions: - No pages should allow comments (if you find pages that allow comments, just disable comments in page settings) - All pages should have a proper description (this is useful when showing items in search results) - The main feature text in all pages (the intro text with larger font) should not exceed 175 characters (this is to force us to be consistent, succinct, and straight to the point) For now, I put those in the content page under the 'Content Guidelines' section: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/TwoPointTwentyseven/Content In the long-term, we should have a content guidelines page (GnomeWeb/ContentGuidelines) for the website. Any other suggestions? --lucasr -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Website - Pending content tasks
Hi, I thought it would be useful to make a summary of content status so that people willing to help can know how they can help now. Here are some comments per-section: About: - Main page has a too long intro - Content pretty much ok (it's what we have in the current website anyway) - History page could use a bit longer intro, content is ok, a final review would be nice. - Foundation page is ok, a final review would be nice. Still missing a call for action in the end. Download: - Main page looks ok, a final review would be nice. - Distributions page is a bit outdated. Someone needs to check the data and update it accordingly with latest GNOME releases. - Installation page has a too long intro. Has a lot of TODO items in the shown data. Needs volunteers. - Live Images content looks mostly ok, a final review would be nice. Has a TODO item about Bittorrents. - GNOME apps on Windows still needs content. Needs volunteers. - GNOME apps on Mac still needs content. Needs volunteers. - Latest Sources needs intro. Has a bunch of TODO items. Needs volunteers. Support: This sections needs a lot of love. Someone needs to step up, figure out what should go in this section. IIUC, it's supposed to have a support page for Developers, Users, Companies and Admins but we don't have any of those yet. Definitely needs volunteers. Community: - Main page has a too long intro. Content looks mostly ok, a final review would be nice. - User groups has some important TODO items. Needs volunteers. - Participate content is mostly ok, a final review would be nice. It has a couple TODO items. Needs volunteers. - Friends of GNOME page has no content yet. Needs volunteers. - Sponsors page has no content yet. Needs volunteers. Contact: - Main page has too long intro. Content could improve a bit. Needs volunteers. - Press has mostly good content, needs some review. Mentions some outdated sections of the website. Needs volunteers. - Foundation page is empty. Needs volunteers. As you can see, I skipped front page and products page. This is intentional. I'd like us to focus on the simple content parts initially and then move on to the tricky ones. If you want to work on one of the pending things, let us know so that we avoid having duplicate work. Keep in mind that the goal here is to reach a point where we have a releasable website. We can always improve and reorganize the content later. So, having the same content than current website is not necessarily a bad thing. Of course we should take this chance to improve the content in general but getting things done has a high priority now. Cheers! --lucasr -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website - Pending content tasks
I would recommend staying with second person You but being more formal GNOME is rather than contractions. Paul On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Darton Williams dart...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org wrote: Download: - Main page looks ok, a final review would be nice. http://website-editors.gnome.org/download Marking as Draft Available, proofread. Quick note: the How to Install GNOME section uses contractions (GNOME is - GNOME's) resulting in an informal voice, is this the intent? You're already running a Linux or UNIX distribution, but GNOME's missing? Don't hesitate: GNOME's very... - Distributions page is a bit outdated. Someone needs to check the data and update it accordingly with latest GNOME releases. http://website-editors.gnome.org/download/distributions Verified distros listed, added a few more shipping 2.28. Marking as Draft Available. - Installation page has a too long intro. Has a lot of TODO items in the shown data. Needs volunteers. - Live Images content looks mostly ok, a final review would be nice. Has a TODO item about Bittorrents. - GNOME apps on Windows still needs content. Needs volunteers. - GNOME apps on Mac still needs content. Needs volunteers. - Latest Sources needs intro. Has a bunch of TODO items. Needs volunteers. Best, dartonw ___ gnome-web-list mailing list gnome-web-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Editing new website
Hi! Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org, Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:26:05 -0600: On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 16:14 +0100, Milo Casagrande wrote: Hi, 2010/2/12 Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org: Hi all, So, here are instructions to edit content in http://website-editors.gnome.org. I'm replying to this message, since I don't know exactly where to ask what I'm going to ask. What about i18n/l10n of the website? (I'm CCing gnome-i18n list) Can translators have access to the website to translate the content or will it be done via a normal PO file? I see there's a little Also available in section with different languages. Ciao. Ni Milo, It will be available via regular PO files. I'm not sure what the status is, as I think a hook had to be written, but that was the orgiinal plan. First off, this is undoubtedly a great design improvement when compared to the present state. From a quick look however, I think the language selection should be positioned in a more prominent place on the website. I somehow doubt that user will search for it at the bottom of the page. OK, that's my ten hellers anyway. :-) Regards, Petr Kovar -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Website Content - Update
Hi all, So, I've spent some time today doing lots of cleanups in the website. It seems Claus updated some drafts from the wiki (Claus, confirm?). What I did: - Updated all links in the footer to point to real stuff - Updated all urls to match the planned structure - Created default pages for all sections - Updated About section with content from wiki - Added Why choose GNOME? page in products/desktop/why For those who are editing content, there are some content-related bugs that I'd like to know if they are still useful in some way. If not, let's just close them. Here they are: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463509 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463512 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463728 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463736 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463746 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463509 Claus, could you please add me as developer of the website product in Bugzilla? That's all for now. Cheers! --lucasr -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website Content - Update
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 22:56 +, Lucas Rocha wrote: Hi all, So, I've spent some time today doing lots of cleanups in the website. It seems Claus updated some drafts from the wiki (Claus, confirm?). Yeah, I moved all Wiki pages to the Plone installation today, except the Why GNOME and another one. Will do the last one during the weekend. Everybody can concentrate on the Plone pages now. Claus, could you please add me as developer of the website product in Bugzilla? Sure! As soon as I will have found out how I do that. Regards, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website Content - Update
On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 01:57 +0100, Claus Schwarm wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 22:56 +, Lucas Rocha wrote: Hi all, So, I've spent some time today doing lots of cleanups in the website. It seems Claus updated some drafts from the wiki (Claus, confirm?). Yeah, I moved all Wiki pages to the Plone installation today, except the Why GNOME and another one. Will do the last one during the weekend. Everybody can concentrate on the Plone pages now. Claus, could you please add me as developer of the website product in Bugzilla? Sure! As soon as I will have found out how I do that. Regards, Claus Awesome, thank you so much for doing this Claus. Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New GNOME Website - Now ready for editors
Hi Claus, I pinged the Plone guys to send instructions to this mailing list about how to get accounts and edit content. Hopefully, they'll be doing that soon. Cheers! --lucasr 2010/1/14 Claus Schwarm clschw...@googlemail.com: Well, since you offered your help: How do I get an account to be able to start editing? There seems to be no way to do this under website-editors.gnome.org AFAICS. Thanks in advance, Claus On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:04 PM, David Bain david.b...@alteroo.com wrote: Glad to see that we've reached this far ;). @Content Editors if you have any how do I do this with Plone? questions, feel free to send them my way. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org wrote: Hi all, Thanks for Alexandro and Carsten, we now have an instance of the new website ready to be used by content editors. It's available here: http://website-editors.gnome.org/ Carsten and CMS team, could you please give basic instructions on how people can create accounts and start editing content? Design team, please, have a look at the website and start suggesting fixes, etc. It would be nice if you work very closely to the Content team. We're very close to finish an initial version of the website. Cheers! --lucasr ___ gnome-web-list mailing list gnome-web-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New GNOME Website - Now ready for editors
Well, since you offered your help: How do I get an account to be able to start editing? There seems to be no way to do this under website-editors.gnome.org AFAICS. Thanks in advance, Claus On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:04 PM, David Bain david.b...@alteroo.com wrote: Glad to see that we've reached this far ;). @Content Editors if you have any how do I do this with Plone? questions, feel free to send them my way. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org wrote: Hi all, Thanks for Alexandro and Carsten, we now have an instance of the new website ready to be used by content editors. It's available here: http://website-editors.gnome.org/ Carsten and CMS team, could you please give basic instructions on how people can create accounts and start editing content? Design team, please, have a look at the website and start suggesting fixes, etc. It would be nice if you work very closely to the Content team. We're very close to finish an initial version of the website. Cheers! --lucasr ___ gnome-web-list mailing list gnome-web-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-web-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
