Re: [Marxism] Facing bad choices, in or out of the euro, Greece needs our solidarity
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 10/07/2015 05:57 πμ, Sheldon Ranz via Marxism wrote: Excuse me, but NO ONE at the Troika forced Syriza to organize a referendum. Tsipras and Co. chose that, and now have chosen to ignore the results of the referendum in favor of the Troika's demands. How is that not treachery? Allende's policy wasn't a treachery? Yet he saved the honor of the left by his resistance till the end. Isn't it strange that the political forces in Chile of 1973 who had foreseen the disaster and were advocating for the masses to be mobilized and the Cordones Industriales to take action etc are now widely forgotten, and often ruthlessly criticized inside the revolutionary left, while the traitor is a symbol of resistance internationally? The word treachery and the likes are good for agitation but not so good for propaganda and even less for politics. Politics is not a question of moral nor of ethics; it's about class struggle and correlation of forces. On the other hand Tsipras was clear from the beginning: His government was declared to be a national salvation government. The promises to the proletariat were supposed to be the outcome of a fair class collaboration and were conditioned by that collaboration as long as the bourgeoisie had to be also satisfied. You like it or not, that was Tsipras' game. Of course the greek working class and its other political forces were and are playing a variety of different games, but that does not regard Tsipras' intentions. Conclusion: speaking of treachery is not even technically correct. JA _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Greece again
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Richard Seymour is busy working and so has retreated it seems to twitter. Pity that. His latest tweet is Full horrible detail of Greece deal: http://www. naftemporiki.gr/finance/story/976680/the-greek-reform-proposals … http://t.co/CWQyeXqJtS privatisations, VAT rises, pension cuts, no trace of progressive agenda left. I don't have the heart to follow the link. This is, it would appear, a terrible defeat. I won't go on about that, but let me just repeat one of my favourite sayings Mann kann sich tot siegen. that, as list members would know, is what Mandel wrote to Ben Gurion just after the Zionists' greatest victory - the 6 Day War. It is not only the people who will pay for the Troika victory. One day, and there will be another day, the people will rise up and it will be a case of No more water; the fire next time. comradely Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: The Beautiful and the Dammed: Resisting the Hydro-Imperialists
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[Marxism] Fwd: The Lives of American Communists After Communism
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[Marxism] Fwd: Syria Comment » Archives The Syrian Southern Front: Why it Offers better Justice and Hope than Northern Front by Marika Sosnowski - Syria Comment
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[Marxism] Fwd: The Only Thing We Love: Alan Pauls’ “A History of Money”
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[Marxism] Fwd: Unbridled capitalism is the 'dung of the devil', says Pope Francis | World news | The Guardian
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[Marxism] Australian Labor Party leader the epitome of pro-boss trade unionism
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[Marxism] Guardian: Vatican bewildered by Bolivia's 'communist crucifix' gift to Pope Francis
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[Marxism] Paul Mason What was the point of Tsipras referendum?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Not sure if Andrew Pollack is misreading Paul Mason, but to me, Paul Mason made sense. Here is my own take on it. I do understand why the Greeks want to stay in the Eurozone. The Euro has strong symbolic value for the unity of the European people. The possibility to travel without having to go through customs and without having to go to the currency exchange window is a great unifying experience for the ordinary person. (1) What was the point of the Referendum? I think the referendum should be taken at face value. Tsipras needed to know whether the Greek masses were willing to accept the conditions of the Institutions. This would make a difference for further negotiations. I don't think he expected to lose, but he assumed that there was a good probability he might lose. He needed the referendum exactly because he did not know whether the answer would be yes or no. In case of a yes vote, others would continue the negotiations. I think the no vote was an expression of confidence, that the Greeks knew that their government was doing the best they could to fulfill their electoral mandate. (2) Why did Varoufakis resign? Again I think the official story is basically correct. After the resounding no vote, Tsipras expected that the Institutions would see themselves forced to make more concessions. And as an ice breaker, Tsipras sacrificed Varoufakis in order to get the negotiations going again. Not because Varoufakis did something wrong, but because Varoufakis knew too much; he embarrassed the negotiators on the other side by being the better economist. Varoufakis showed to the whole world that the negotiaions were not about economics but about power. His latest Guardian op-ed http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/10/germany-greek-pain-debt-relief-grexit is another proof of a much more penetrating insight into the process and history than available from the other negotiators. (3) Now the important thing is the reaction of the Institutions to the Referendum and to Tsipras's good-will gesture of withdrawing Varoufakis. Their reaction was: nothing. Not a single conciliatory gesture, instead they insisted on the deadlock before the referendum and said it is up to the Greeks. This ultimate intransigence showed their disdain for democracy and also showed that they did not want Greece in the Euro zone any more. Perhaps Merkel had maneuvered herself into a position where she was not able to make concessions any more, or perhaps---Varoufakis is not the only one to say this about Schauble---Schauble had not been negotiating in good faith, he wanted the negotiations to fail. (4) What did Tsipras do when he, and everybody else, saw the true position of the Institutions? He saw the expulsion of Greece coming and he did not want it blamed on Syriza. He did not have the mandate to leave the Euro, and I think it is also strategically wrong for socialists to voluntarily leave the Euro or the EU, they should push the envelope and do as much as they can do inside the Euro and EU. Therefore he made an offer giving the Institutions all they wanted, in order to see if under these conditions the Institutions would grant Greece a reduction or re-structuring of the debt in such a way that this austerity would have at least a chance of success. (5) Did Tsipras's gambit pay off? Der Spiegel, which until yesterday preached how the collapse of the Greek economy is the fault of the Greeks, who were demanding too much, is suddenly full of revelations how much pressure the US was exerting on Merkel to give the Greeks a break. This give Merkel a face-saving way out: she does not have to cave to the lazy Greeks but she has to respect the will of the US. So I think there is a good chance Greece will stay in the Euro, but this is not at all certain. Here are the two possibilities as I see them: If Greece remains in the Eurozone at the cost of further austerity measures, then this is the loss of one skirmish but not of the war. Syriza tried to get the best outcome possible while respecting the will of the voters to stay within the Eurozone. Syriza did not betray the voters. They tried everything possible to carry out the mandate of the voters and were defeated because the enemy was stronger or more ruthless than they, and because their own mandate, eliminating austerity while staying in the Eurozone, was somewhat contradictory. And the struggle continues. Despite the fact that they were forced to accede to austerity demands in the end, their honorable and courageous battle and their respect for democracy will encourage the voters in Spain, Ireland and elsewhere to vote for their own left
[Marxism] Paul Mason What was the point of Tsipras referendum?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Sheldon writes: And respect for democracy by pissing on the NO vote? WTF??? Can you spell 'Orwell'? The institutions, the troika, was pissing on the NO vote, by not reconsidering their hard line, their insistence that Greece follows their rules just for the principle of it. On the contrary, they tightened the noose on the Greek banks. This forced Syriza to re-think their negotiation strategy. Syriza themselves were not pissing on the no vote. They involved their constituents in the process as much as they could, by organizing the referendum. This is why I am saying they have respect for democracy. They did not have to call the referendum. But it is not in their power to bring about a positive outcome because of the No vote if they are stonewalled by the troika. Yes, Syriza had a choice: either staying in the Eurozone with austerity impositions, or quitting the Euro. They chose staying in the Eurozone. This has the strategic advantages I described. Besides, this was something for which they got support from the IMF. there is a good chance there will be some debt restructuring. Quitting the Eurozone without preparation would have been an invitation for Golden Dawn, and I don't think it would have led Spain and others to emulate Syriza. On the contrary. It would have been a deterrent for others to follow Syriza's path. That is why Schauble wanted them to quit the Eurozone. And preparing for a Grexit would have undermined Syriza's negotiations and would have been against their mandate. The Greek voters did not want to leave the Eurozone. I think Syriza's policies are defensible, they pretty much got out of the situation as much as they could have. This is just one skirmish, more is to follow, and both the Greek voters and Syriza are learning a lot from this. H.E. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] PFLP on 43rd anniversary of murder of Palestinian revolutionary and writer Ghassan Kanafani
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[Marxism] Paul Mason What was the point of Tsipras referendum?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Sheldon writes: There is more honor in quitting than in being fired. I don't think the membership in the Eurozone should be compared with a wage labor relationship. Despite its systemic flaws, the eurozone is an attempt to fully implement the European Union, a unity of nations. Getting kicked out of the eurozone because one tries to turn it into a more democratic institution is in my view more honorable than quitting the eurozone. It shows more solidarity with the other nations which the euro monetary policy is putting under pressure. Syriza did not get everything they wanted, but they created quite a stir everywhere in the world. Quitting after such an auspicious beginning indicates that one is not willing to endure the long-haul struggle. H.E. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Paul Mason What was the point of Tsipras referendum?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Hans G Ehrbar via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: This is just one skirmish, more is to follow, and both the Greek voters and Syriza are learning a lot from this. Alas, I think Hans’ apologia for the wholesale capitulation of the Tsipras leadership - the culmination of a five month negotiation with the troika which was more fiasco thsn “skirmish - will be echoed by a majority of Syriza supporters and parliamentarians, including some hitherto identified with the party left. They will loyally and dutifully close ranks behind the party and its leadership and current direction, consoling themselves, like Hans, that the retreat from the party program is really, somehow, an advance. A substantial minority, however, will draw a more honest balance sheet of the government’s record to date and recognize that it does represent an advance over the preceding New Democracy administration on the key issues. Neither has secured significant debt relief; both have acquiesced to demands for labour market “reforms” designed to weaken the unions; both accept rigid fiscal “targets” to constrain government spending and job creation; both accept major increases in consumption taxes; both accept further cuts to pension benefits, etc. It is undeniably the case that the balance of forces has been overwhelmingly weighted against Syriza and tiny, embattled Greece. But the Syriza leadership full well understood this when it vied for governmental power, and its disillusioned and embittered supporters may be forgiven for asking: “If the objective circumstances simply don’t allow a left wing party to effect any meaningful change and, in fact, lead to further economic deterioration and erosion of living standards, what is the point of electing it in the first place”? _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Paul Mason What was the point of Tsipras referendum?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Sheldon writes: There is more honor in quitting than in being fired. I don't think the membership in the Eurozone should be compared with a wage labor relationship. Despite its systemic flaws, the eurozone is an attempt to fully implement the European Union, a unity of nations. Getting kicked out of the eurozone because one tries to turn it into a more democratic institution is in my view more honorable than quitting the eurozone. It shows more solidarity with the other nations which the euro monetary policy is putting under pressure. Syriza did not get everything they wanted, but they created quite a stir everywhere in the world. Quitting after such an auspicious beginning indicates that one is not willing to endure the long-haul struggle. H.E. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Commentary from Theo, a Greek FB friend
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This one is for my non-Greek Marxist facebook friends who have been posting about my country for the last year or so . . . I, for example, could have told you what to expect from Synaspismos because I lived in Greece for many years. I could also have told you about ΝΑΡ, ΣΕΚ, the ΚΚΕ, other Marxist groups, Greek anarchists, etc. -- and in great detail. This is not an I told you so because I did not say much and prefer boat carpentry to political infighting. I'm no expert. Why should you care what I think? I don't expect you to now. I might have enjoyed deriding the ΣΥΡΙΖΑ leadership for being parlor revolutionaries, political opportunists and milquetoast reformists, well, I didn't because (1) they actually got themselves elected (something nobody can take away from them) and, accordingly, (2) deserved a chance to do their jobs. A few months ago I was amused to read some comment threads by non-Greek leftists which were, more or less, anti-KKE pile-ons. People who were not Greek, did not speak Greek, and had never lived in Greece magically morphed into expert critics of that country's working class politics. I should have liked to ask these just-add-water theoreticians to accompany me to Athenian working class neighborhoods or to parts of rural Greece where they could explain to the locals their local politics. I'd happily volunteer my services as interpreter. (Incidentally, I'm not KKE, just another garden-variety Marxist with an independent streak.) But ΣΥΡΙΖΑ pretty much came to power because ΠΑΣΟΚ went up up in smoke. That's what fucking happened. There simply wasn't anybody left with mainstream appeal and good party organization. At least they gave it a whirl. The Greeks elected them to wheel and deal for Greece, not to leave the EU or lead a global insurgency against the neoliberal order. And that's what they've been trying to do (however little you or I may think of their maneuvering). Did Tsipras call the referendum so as to duck for cover behind the Greek people? Maybe so. Does that suck? Sure. But, honestly, if you were Greek and on the hard left, that's about what you'd expect. And if you are not Greek and not on the hard left, but still familiar with even the most of rudimentary Marxist analyses, you surely understand that ΣΥΡΙΖΑ's appeals to reason in its negotiations would not be well received by representatives of an economic system that is irrational at its core. What's interesting to me is how the EU honchos can't seem to tolerate even a mildly left wing government like ΣΥΡΙΖΑ being successful. Whether or not you agree or disagree with what, admittedly, is my backyard and layman's opinion is unimportant. I think I just needed a good rant. Off to go tarp up the shop and fix a bandsaw. I leave the posting and blogging to you. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Paul Mason What was the point of Tsipras referendum?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I think the no vote was an expression of confidence, that the Greeks knew that their government was doing the best they could to fulfill their electoral mandate. No, it was not. It was a rejection of the Troika's austerity demands According to reliable news reports, both Tsipras and the referendum's wording underscored that. If the Institutions do not accept Syriza's offer, then it will be clear to all that Greece did not leave the Eurozone voluntarily but was kicked out. There is more honor in quitting than in being fired. Despite the fact that they were forced to accede to austerity demands in the end, their honorable and courageous battle and their respect for democracy will encourage the voters in Spain, Ireland and elsewhere to vote for their own left parties. They were not forced to accede - there were alternatives within a Grexit maneuver that would make Greece survivable for the masses. We've seen here on this forum links to articles by economists both Greek and American as to how this would be possible. And respect for democracy by pissing on the NO vote? WTF??? Can you spell 'Orwell'? Coming up next...Tzipras invites Golden Dawn into the government. On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 7:05 PM, he5513--- via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Not sure if Andrew Pollack is misreading Paul Mason, but to me, Paul Mason made sense. Here is my own take on it. I do understand why the Greeks want to stay in the Eurozone. The Euro has strong symbolic value for the unity of the European people. The possibility to travel without having to go through customs and without having to go to the currency exchange window is a great unifying experience for the ordinary person. (1) What was the point of the Referendum? I think the referendum should be taken at face value. Tsipras needed to know whether the Greek masses were willing to accept the conditions of the Institutions. This would make a difference for further negotiations. I don't think he expected to lose, but he assumed that there was a good probability he might lose. He needed the referendum exactly because he did not know whether the answer would be yes or no. In case of a yes vote, others would continue the negotiations. I think the no vote was an expression of confidence, that the Greeks knew that their government was doing the best they could to fulfill their electoral mandate. (2) Why did Varoufakis resign? Again I think the official story is basically correct. After the resounding no vote, Tsipras expected that the Institutions would see themselves forced to make more concessions. And as an ice breaker, Tsipras sacrificed Varoufakis in order to get the negotiations going again. Not because Varoufakis did something wrong, but because Varoufakis knew too much; he embarrassed the negotiators on the other side by being the better economist. Varoufakis showed to the whole world that the negotiaions were not about economics but about power. His latest Guardian op-ed http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/10/germany-greek-pain-debt-relief-grexit is another proof of a much more penetrating insight into the process and history than available from the other negotiators. (3) Now the important thing is the reaction of the Institutions to the Referendum and to Tsipras's good-will gesture of withdrawing Varoufakis. Their reaction was: nothing. Not a single conciliatory gesture, instead they insisted on the deadlock before the referendum and said it is up to the Greeks. This ultimate intransigence showed their disdain for democracy and also showed that they did not want Greece in the Euro zone any more. Perhaps Merkel had maneuvered herself into a position where she was not able to make concessions any more, or perhaps---Varoufakis is not the only one to say this about Schauble---Schauble had not been negotiating in good faith, he wanted the negotiations to fail. (4) What did Tsipras do when he, and everybody else, saw the true position of the Institutions? He saw the expulsion of Greece coming and he did not want it blamed on Syriza. He did not have the mandate to leave the Euro, and I think it is also strategically wrong for socialists to voluntarily leave the Euro or the EU, they should push the envelope and do as much as they can do inside
Re: [Marxism] Paul Mason What was the point of Tsipras referendum?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Hans G Ehrbar via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: This is just one skirmish, more is to follow, and both the Greek voters and Syriza are learning a lot from this. Alas, I think Hans’ apologia for the wholesale capitulation of the Tsipras leadership - the culmination of a five month negotiation with the troika which was more fiasco thsn “skirmish - will be echoed by a majority of Syriza supporters and parliamentarians, including some hitherto identified with the party left. They will loyally and dutifully close ranks behind the party and its leadership and current direction, consoling themselves, like Hans, that the retreat from the party program is really, somehow, an advance. A substantial minority, however, will draw a more honest balance sheet of the government’s record to date and recognize that it does not represent an advance over the preceding New Democracy administration on the key issues. Neither has secured significant debt relief; both have acquiesced to demands for labour market “reforms” designed to weaken the unions; both accept rigid fiscal “targets” to constrain government spending and job creation; both accept major increases in consumption taxes; both accept further cuts to pension benefits, etc. It is undeniably the case that the balance of forces has been overwhelmingly weighted against Syriza and tiny, embattled Greece. But the Syriza leadership full well understood this when it vied for governmental power, and its disillusioned and embittered supporters may be forgiven for asking: “If the objective circumstances simply don’t allow a left wing party to effect any meaningful change and, in fact, lead to further economic deterioration and erosion of living standards, what is the point of electing it in the first place”? _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] criticism of Syriza and Left Platform leadership by Xekinima and IMT
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Tsipras crosses the Rubicon by Xekinima (CWI), Greece, July 10 http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/7274 . . . The leading group in SYRIZA and Alex Tsipras has been proven tragically incapable of responding to the tasks of the moment and unworthy of the confidence of the working class. They are unworthy of the earth-shaking ‘No’ vote on 5 July which reverberated throughout Europe and the whole world. They betrayed the confidence of workers, pensioners, the unemployed and the poor, who voted by 70%-80% in favor of No in the working class neighborhoods and cities. They betrayed the great struggle launched by the Left and the working class, all across Europe, in support of the struggling Greek workers. . . . What lies behind this new historical tragedy of the Greek Left is nothing else but the complete lack of understanding by the leadership of the class character of living reality. And a complete lack of understanding of what class struggle means. They went to the EU to “fight for their proposals” with water pistols against machine guns. They tried to “explain” and to “convince” Schauble and the rest of the capitalist gang leading the EU, naively and foolishly, that they were applying wrong policies and should change them. They never had and never showed any confidence to the power of the working class and its ability to take destiny into its own hands. They swallowed the fairy tale perpetuated by the ruling class that their profit system is invincible, that capitalism can never be overthrown and that the exit from the Euro would equal to a social catastrophe. The defeat in which Tsipras and his government led the Greek working class is historical but it is not final. It not like the defeat suffered by the left and working class in the Civil War in Greece. There is still a lot of potential for resistance. The immediate task is the coming together of the forces of the Left which understand the need for a regroupment along the lines of revolutionary socialism, to plan the next steps. There are serious forces in the non-parliamentary Left, inside ANTARSYA (Anti-capitalist Left) and SYRIZA etc., which understand that without rupture with the capitalist system and the Eurozone there is no perspective for a better life. These forces must urgently meet and discuss and take all the necessary steps, to lay the basis for a new, mass revolutionary Left. To lead the struggles of tomorrow and to offer the perspective of struggle for a future against the false hopes of Tsipras and his circle. . . . Greece: government's proposals to the Troika turning OXI into YES by Jorge Martín In Defense of Marxism (IMT), July 10 http://www.marxist.com/greece-governments-proposals-to-the-troika-turning-oxi-into-yes.htm . . . Syriza CC member Stathis Kouvelakis has compared the situation to the vote for war credits in the Reichstag in 1914 and appealed for pressure to be exerted on Syriza MPs to vote against. He has described the proposal as a capitulation and a “betrayal of the popular mandate”. In an appeal to Syriza MPs he has asked them to refuse to trample the popular mandate under foot, and save the honour. Refuse this humiliation of democracy. Don't forget the fate of members who voted for previous memoranda, and that have been registered in the people's conscience. Together with the people who want to stand up and live, raise up, say no!” The Communist Tendency of Syriza has rejected the proposals and described them by their proper name: a new Memorandum. The comrades have correctly described the situation as one of a parliamentary coup, in which parliament will be used to pass proposals that directly contradict the democratic will of the people expressed at the referendum and have called on Syriza MPs to vote against and for people to mobilise. The president of the parliament, Zoe Konstantopoulo, also a prominent Syriza member has also said that she will oppose the passage of a new austerity memorandum through parliament. However, Greek media reported a 3.5 h meeting between her and Tsipras last night. The Left Platform has around 30 MPs in the Parliamentary group. As these lines are written a joint meeting of Syriza's parliamentary group and Political Secretariat is being held to discuss the proposals. Syriza's CC will meet on Saturday. Today in the evening there will be a vote in Parliament. The way in which this will be done has been calculated in order to minimise opposition. Instead of voting on the actual proposals being sent to the Troika, Parliament will be asked to give Tsipras, vice PM Dragasakis and Finance Minister Tsakalotos authority to negotiate along the lines of the letter, but the letter
[Marxism] Greek parliament approves Tsipras' negotiation plan; do Syriza defections threaten gov't?; will Eurogroup approve Greek proposal?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Government negotiating plan approved by parliament After an emotional plea by the PM, the government negotiating plan is approved by the parliament, based on opposition votes. The government block loses 17 votes. The Times of Greece, July 11 http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/politics/article/government-negotiating-plan-approved-by-parliament After a 3.5 hour discussion in parliament, MPs overwhelmingly approved the government's negotiating plan for a bailout deal, which is to be discussed in Brussels over the coming weekend. The final tally was 251 Yes votes, 32 No votes, 8 abstinence votes and 9 MPs not present during voting. This might look like an excellent tally for the government, but it causes all sorts of headaches for the PM, given that a total of 17 MPs from the majority government coalition did not tally with the Yes vote. Among them, Energy minister Panagiotis Lafazanis and House speaker, Zoe Konstandopoulou. Earlier, during his speech, the PM urged all majority MPs to vote for his government's proposals, adding that he demanded the preservation of his majority in the vote. Given that 17 MPs didn't obey his plea, the government has unofficially lost its given majority, which could cause trouble for the government coalition. In his speech, Alexis Tsipras defended the painful bailout proposals his leftwing government presented to parliament on Friday, saying they were difficult measures but would help keep Greece in the euro zone. Arguing that the mix of tax hikes and spending cuts was better on many points than the package rejected by voters in a referendum on Sunday, Tsipras insisted that he had won important concessions on restructuring Greece's enormous public debt. For the first time, we have on the table a substantial discussion for a debt restructuring, he said in a debate before parliament votes on endorsing the proposals. He said Greece would meet 6.8 billion euros of payments on maturing bonds held by the European Central Bank due in July and August and said that the capital controls imposed on banks would not force the government to take new fiscal measures. It's now up to the Prime Minister himself to offer his reading, if not spin, of the crucial vote. Analysts believe that Energy minister Lafazanis has all but resigned with his stance and vote, while there is going to be an issue with parliament speaker, Zoe Konstandopoulou. There has never been a Greek parliament where the House speaker has not supported a bill, much less after her PM has all but ordered her to do so. Also, what could happen with those No and abstinence votes when the actual bill that comes out of the negotiations in Brussels arrives in the Greek parliament? Will this spell the beginning of the end for the awkward government coalition of left wing SYRIZA with the nationalistic Independent Greeks party? Could this vote lead to political developments which could even hint towards early elections in the middle of the country's most crucial economic negotiations with its EU partners? Only time - and the powerful PM - will tell. Greece’s Parliament Approves Greek Bailout Proposal; Now It’s in Europe’s Hands by Anastasios Papapostolou The Greek Reporter, July 11 http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/07/11/greece-parliament-approves-greek-bailout-proposal-now-its-in-europe-hands The Greek parliament approved on Saturday Greek PM Alexis Tsipras’ bailout plan to negotiate a deal with Greece’s creditors based on the political party leaders’ agreement draft. The Greek Prime Minister and Finance Chief Euclid Tsakalotos called the parliament to approve the bill and authorize the Greek negotiating team to conduct an agreement with the lenders. On the draft bailout bill, 232 members voted yes, while 32 rejected it. Eight members abstained from the vote, including Parliament Speaker Zoe Konstantopoulou who stated that althogh the Greek PM negotiated fiercefully, the bill is a product of international blackmailing to Greece. Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras sent the proposal to Greece’s creditors on Thursday, in what it looks like the last chance for the debt-ridden country to receive a bailout agreement and avoid a financial collapse and possible exit from the Eurozone. On Friday the PM brought the proposal to the parliament asking its MPS to pass a law that will be approve it as a basis for a bailout deal, and authorize him, Finance Minister Tsakalotos and Greek VP Ioannis Dragasakis to sign such an agreement with the creditors. The long parliamentary session, finally approved the bill on the first hours of Saturday. Addressing lawmakers in the Greek Parliament on Friday night, Greece’s Finance Minister
[Marxism] Evans-Pritchard on Tsipras climbdown
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Crippled Greece yields to overwhelming power as deal looms by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard The Telegraph, London, July 10 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11732926/Crippled-Greece-yields-to-overwhelming-power-as-deal-looms.html Greece's Left-wing Syriza government has agreed to draconian austerity terms rejected by the Greek people in a landslide referendum just five days ago, capping one of the most bizarre political episodes of modern times. Prime minister Alexis Tspiras sought to put the best face on a painful climbdown, recoiling from a traumatic fight that would have led to Greece's ejection from the euro as soon as Monday. He implicitly recognised that the strain of capital controls and economic collapse has been too much to bear. “We are confronted with crucial decisions. We got a mandate to bring a better deal than the ultimatum that the Eurogroup gave us, but we weren't given a mandate to take Greece out of the eurozone,” he said. Hopes for a breakthrough set off euphoria across Europe's stock and bond markets, though Greece still has to face an emergency meeting of Eurogroup ministers on Saturday, and probably a full-dress summit of the EU's 28 leaders on Sunday. A top Greek banker close to the talks said there is now a 90pc chance of clinching a deal, thanks both to intervention behind the scenes by a team from the French treasury and to aggressive diplomacy by Washington. Inflows of tourist cash means that there is still €2.75bn of liquidity available, enough to keep ATM machines stocked until Monday night. Greeks will be able to withdraw the daily allowance of €60. Pensioners will continue to draw €120 a week. We are preparing to open up branches for normal banking services next week. Capital controls will last for a while but not for as long as in Cyprus. The situation is very fluid but we don't think we will need a major recapitalisation of the banks, said the source. An estimated €40bn of money stashed in mattresses should flow back into deposits as confidence returns. One or two of the weaker banks may need a capital boost of €10bn to €15bn, involving a potential bail-in of savings above the insured threshold of €100,000. Any deal almost certainly means the European Central Bank will lift its freeze on emergency liquidity for the Greek financial system as soon as Monday, entirely changing the picture. Syriza accuses the ECB of deploying liquidity asphyxiation to bring a rebel democracy to its knees. The ECB freeze has been a controversial political and legal move - given the bank's treaty obligations to uphold financial stability - and is likely to be dissected by historians for years to come. A final deal to end the long-running saga is still not certain. The outcome depends on how much debt relief the creditor powers are willing to offer, and whether it is a contractual obligation written in stone or merely a vague promise for the future. Yet the broad outlines are taking shape after Syriza agreed to three more years of fiscal tightening, with deep pension cuts and tax rises, and a raft of neo-liberal reform measures that breach almost all the party's original red lines. Panagiotis Lafazanis, head of Syriza’s Left Platform, protested bitterly, saying it would be better for Greece to restore sovereign self-government and return to the drachma. The most humiliating and unbearable choice is an agreement that will surrender and loot our country and subjugate our people, he said. Party insiders did not hide their disgust, though Mr Tsipras managed to quell a full-scale mutiny. It is a total capitulation. We never had a 'Plan B' for what to do if the European Central Banks cuts off liquidity and the creditors simply destroyed our country, which is what they are doing, said one Syriza veteran. We thought that when the time comes, Europe would blink, but that is not what happened. It should have been clear since April that the markets were not going to react to Grexit. Yanis Varoufakis, the former finance minister, said he would back his successor and close friend, Euclid Tsakalotos, but only for the next two days. I will reserve my judgment. I have serious doubts as to whether the creditors will really sign on the dotted line and offer substantive debt relief. My fear is that they will make all the right noises, but then fail to follow through, as in 2012, he told The Telegraph. Mr Tsakalotos told the Greek parliament that Syriza aims to secure a swap of $27bn of Greek bonds held by the European Central Bank for longer-dated bonds at lower interest rates. Many of Greece's debt demands are going to be accepted, he said. The government is also pushing for
[Marxism] Hannah Murray is coming under Troitsly's influnce!
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[Marxism] Why I am in favou of this docuemnt being pubished here despite it's' sharp factioaa character!
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[Marxism] Fwd: BRICS Bankers Confirm They will Undergird – Not Undermine – Western Financial Decadence
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[Marxism] Fwd: The Pongo’s Dream | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The Pongo’s Dream by José Maria Arguedas (Arguedas learned Quechua as a boy from servants in the household of his stepmother and his father, an itinerant lawyer. Until his suicide in 1967, the novelist and anthropologist was perhaps more responsible than any other Peruvian for the impassioned defense of the Incan tongue and cultural autonomy for millions of Quechua speakers, challenging the powerful ideologies of “modernization” and “national integration” predicated on the erasure of Peru’s indigenous past. Although there was a strong utopian strain in Arguedas, he was not just interested in indigenous traditions. He also wrote about the challenges of migration and modernity, and proclaimed himself an “hombre Quechua moderno,” a modern Quechuan man, reflecting his desire for a cultural pluralism for Peru that would go beyond a retreat into a narrow traditionalism. An adaptation of a story Arguedas heard from a Cusco peasant, “The Pongo’s Dream” captures the rigidity of the feudal order that still prevailed in many parts of the Andes in the mid-twentieth century. But the denouement, where the world turns upside down as in the Inkarri myth, suggests the existence of a spirit of independence and opposition, which was to fuel the peasant movements of the 195os and the break-up of the landlords’ rule.) *** A little man headed to his master’s mansion. As one of the serfs on the 1ord’s estate, he had to perform the duty of a pongo, a lowly house servant. He had a small and feeble body, a meek spirit. His clothes were old and tattered. Everything about him was pitiful. The great lord, owner of the mansion and lands surrounding it, could not help laughing when the little man greeted him in the mansion’s corridors. “What are you? A person or something else?” the lord asked the little man in front of all the other serfs. The pongo bowed his head and did not answer. He stood frightened, eyes frozen. “Let’s see!” the lord said. “With those worthless little hands, you must at least know how to scrub pots or use a broom. Take this garbage away!” he ordered. The pongo knelt to kiss his master’s hand and followed him to the kitchen hanging his head. full: http://louisproyect.org/2015/07/10/the-pongos-dream/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Is Greece Worse Off Than the U.S. During the Great Depression? - The New York Times
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Re: [Marxism] Greece again
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * WTF??? On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Sheldon Ranz via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: Short of fire, sexual blackmail is one way to keel politicians in line. It has worked for the LBGT community in the US, and folks should not be afraid to 'stoop' to that level if it can prevent future betrayals. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Facing bad choices, in or out of the euro, Greece needs our solidarity
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Using your logic, you could similar excuses for Obama. Apparently, there are no lies in politics, according to you, because we were always supposed to know that elected leaders have a game. So, the Greek people have no justification for feeling betrayed. So, if a loved one is murdered, should I shrug it off and say, Oh well, we all have to die sometime. And what's this about Allende? What lies did he tell? What referendum did he betray? On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:35 AM, ioannis aposperites via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 10/07/2015 05:57 πμ, Sheldon Ranz via Marxism wrote: Excuse me, but NO ONE at the Troika forced Syriza to organize a referendum. Tsipras and Co. chose that, and now have chosen to ignore the results of the referendum in favor of the Troika's demands. How is that not treachery? Allende's policy wasn't a treachery? Yet he saved the honor of the left by his resistance till the end. Isn't it strange that the political forces in Chile of 1973 who had foreseen the disaster and were advocating for the masses to be mobilized and the Cordones Industriales to take action etc are now widely forgotten, and often ruthlessly criticized inside the revolutionary left, while the traitor is a symbol of resistance internationally? The word treachery and the likes are good for agitation but not so good for propaganda and even less for politics. Politics is not a question of moral nor of ethics; it's about class struggle and correlation of forces. On the other hand Tsipras was clear from the beginning: His government was declared to be a national salvation government. The promises to the proletariat were supposed to be the outcome of a fair class collaboration and were conditioned by that collaboration as long as the bourgeoisie had to be also satisfied. You like it or not, that was Tsipras' game. Of course the greek working class and its other political forces were and are playing a variety of different games, but that does not regard Tsipras' intentions. Conclusion: speaking of treachery is not even technically correct. JA _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/sranz18%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] SYRIZA Left Platform Proposes Grexit - Tsipras Urges MP’s to Support Proposals
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * SYRIZA Left Platform Proposes Grexit - Tsipras Urges MP’s to Support Proposals by Anastassios Adamopoulos The Greek Reporter, July 10 http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/07/10/syriza-left-platform-proposes-grexit-tsipras-urges-mps-to-support-proposals The SYRIZA-ANEL government could soon become another administration in Greece’s history that endorses a bailout deal. Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras has asked for a snap vote in parliament on the proposals set to take place on Friday afternoon. The proposals that the government submitted include austerity measures. As a political opposition to the government SYRIZA had been vocal against the austerity bailout deals that the different Greek administrations had implemented since 2010. The change in the government’s direction has provoked the immediate reactions from some of its party members. Two SYRIZA lawmakers and three members of the political committee, who are part of the Left Platform, a subgroup within SYRIZA, produced a document on Friday that asks for the renegotiation of a deal with the institutions. If a deal without austerity and with sufficient liquidity cannot be reached Greece should exit the Eurozone, the document argues. Political Committee members Stathis Leoutsakos, Antonis Davanelos, Sophie Papadogiannis and lawmakers Costas Lapavitas and Thanasis Petrakos further urged the government to sign a transition deal toward a new currency that will allow Greece to do three things. *A radical reform of the banking system *The complete halt of austerity policies *The exit from the Euro and the subsequent a write down of most of Greece’s debt. “An exit from the eurozone under the current circumstances is a difficult but realistic process that will allow the country to follow a different path, away from that of the unacceptable programs that will emulate the Juncker proposal,” the document reads. An exit from the Eurozone would generate further benefits according to the proposal. Namely, the restoration of financial liquidity, a sustainable growth program based on private investment, the rebuilding of the internal economy to reduce dependence on imports, an increase in exports, independence from the European Central Bank, its policies and restrictions and finally the utilization of unused resources to create rapid growth so as to protect against the first difficult months following the Grexit. The document also concedes that an exit from the Eurozone should have been prepared by SYRIZA but was not. Tsipras earlier concluded his speech to the Parliamentary Group and the Political Committee where he warned that it would be unacceptable if SYRIZA party member’s did not offer total support toward the government. “Between a bad and a catastrophic choice, we are forced to choose the first,” the prime minister said. “It is not easy but we have to.” Tsipras had warned earlier in the meeting that the alternative to a deal is an abrupt bankruptcy, which would be a disaster. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greece again
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Re: [Marxism] Paul Mason What was the point of Tsipras referendum?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Columns like this are why I don't read Paul Mason. I remember months ago reading something by him (don't remember the issue, but that really doesn't matter) and saying to myself, this guy's just a half-smart, not-too-radical commentator, why waste my time? But it's a damned shame his self-satisfied support for the wisdom of Tsipras can be so misleading in a crisis like this. (If someone can convince me I'm misreading his column I'm all ears.) On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * What was the point of Tsipras referendum? by Paul Mason Channel 4 News blog, England, July 10 http://blogs.channel4.com/paul-mason-blog/4131/4131 The new Greek government proposals, published late last night are clearly based on those submitted by Jean Claude Juncker last Thursday, before the referendum. It’s left many Greeks frustrated, asking: what was the point of the referendum? It’s left many foreign observers saying the same. Here are the most obvious answers: First, the Greek government’s hope that a referendum mandate would allow swift negotiations with their creditors, and relaxation of terms, did not materialise. Instead a renewed ultimatum materialised. If they can’t meet it, the ECB and EU will collapse the Greek banking system and throw them out of the Eurozone. Indeed, one of the main “achievements” of the referendum was to flush out that clear threat, from politicians who had never admitted it before. The Greek government has no mandate to leave the Euro, as the 61% vote No last Sunday was clearly won as a “stay in and fight” mandate. Secondly, the deal makes no economic sense without debt relief. The referendum, combined with US pressure, seems to have prompted key European voices, including Angela Merkel and Donald Tusk, [to] accede in principle to the need for debt reprofiling – which is a sneaky way of writing off debts. Thirdly, it is still redistributive on balance. Syriza can still sell this as a very different programme from those previously designed by the conservative led coalition. 29% corporation tax is one example. However it does make concessions on pensions and on VAT on the islands, which currently enjoy a discount. Fourth, it is the work of Euclid Tsakalatos. Tsakalatos, as I’ve been explaining since mid-January, is existentially committed to two things: Euro membership and the use of government to foster widespread modernisation and social change. He wants to stay in power – not lose it to a government of “technocrats”. Fifth, the deal comes with a request for a loan to make Greece’s debt repayments over the next three years. If someone else pays your debts for three years, that is a very fiscally beneficial thing, and leaves Greece with money to spend it did not have. Most importantly, this is not a done deal. If it gets through the Greek parliament and is then thrown back into the Greeks’ faces it will solidify and prepare Greek society for Grexit. It will most likely prompt a few resignations from Syriza, but I am told the Left Platform in Syriza will mainly accept it. But getting it through parliament is not the problem. Getting it through the EU is the problem – and it’s left many Greeks still predicting this is the last gamble before Grexit. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Kouvelakis: Those who lead Greece and its Left to surrender should be opposed.
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * From the Absurd to the Tragic Those who lead Greece and its Left to surrender should be opposed by Stathis Kouvelakis Jacobin magazine, July 10 https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/07/tsipras-syriza-greece-euro-debt . . . How could one explain that New Democracy’s Vangelis Meimarakis and To Potami leader Stavros Theodorakis — heads of the camp so crushingly defeated on Sunday — should have become the official spokespersons for the line being followed by the Greek government? How is it possible for a devastating “no” to memorandum austerity policies to be interpreted as a green light for a new memorandum? And to put it in commonsense terms: if they were disposed to sign something even worse and even more binding than European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker’s proposals, what was the point of the referendum and the struggle to achieve victory in it? . . . So the framework is given: it is that of the restrictive measures which secure fiscal surpluses and aim at the repayment of debt. It is incontestably the framework of the memoranda. The disagreement is over the “distribution of the burden.” It involves a (supposedly) “socially more just” variant of austerity, which will be presented as “redistribution” at the same time as it perpetuates the recession (every reference to commitment to non-recessionary measures has been effaced) and impoverishment of the majority. . . . And yet, despite the gravity of the situation and despite the fact that through the imposition of capital controls part of the road has already been covered, nobody, apart from Costas Lapavitsas and some cadres of the Left Platform, is speaking of the self-evident and basic measures of self-protection that are necessitated by circumstances of this kind, starting from public control and nationalization of the banking system. The explanation for this is of course very simple: anything of this kind would place Greece with one foot outside the euro, which the government is completely unwilling to do, despite the fact that even mainstream economists like Paul Krugman assert that “the greater part of the cost has already been paid” and that it is time for Greece “to reap the benefits.” . . . This is nothing but a new austerity package — actually, a “copy and paste” of the Juncker plan rejected by the electorate a few days ago. Its core is all too familiar: primary surpluses, cuts in pensions, increase in the VAT and other taxes, and a handful of measures to give it a slight flavor of “social justice” (e.g., an increase in the corporate tax rate by two points). The document was approved by all the major ministers except Panos Kammenos, head of the Independent Greeks party (ANEL), and Panagiotis Lafazanis, the leader of the Left Platform. . . . As was predictable, and probably even planned, this proposed agreement has triggered an uproar inside Syriza. For the moment, most of the strong reactions are come from the Left Platform and other currents of Syriza’s left wing such as KOE, the Maoist organization that has four MPs. In today’s dramatic meeting of Syriza’s parliamentary group, Lafazanis, minister of energy and leader of the Left Platform, said the agreement is “incompatible with Syriza’s program” and “doesn’t offer a positive perspective to the country.” The Left Platform ministers are expected to resign today. Thanassis Petrakos, one of the three speakers of Syriza’s parliamentary group and a prominent member of the Left Platform, declared: The “no” of the referendum was a radical and a class “no.” Some high-ranked comrades insist on the “there is no other way” logic. We should prepare exiting the eurozone and say that clearly to the people. The Left has a future when it opens its wings to the unknown, not to nothingness. Those who insist on the choice of staying in the euro whatever the cost might know that it is a disaster. We need a prepared exit to open up a new path. The first steps are the public control of the banks and of the Greek central bank and a crackdown on oligarchy. Varoufakis is also said to have opposed the agreement, as well as some MPs from the group of the “fifty-three” (the left wing of the majority), although in an internal meeting held yesterday a significant gap appeared between the rank-and-file and middle-range cadres, strongly opposed to the agreement, and the MPs, much more inclined to support it. The vote that will take place late in the evening will certainly be of crucial importance for the future developments, but also for the future of Syriza. Whatever happens in the next few hours and days, one thing should be clear: any attempt to cancel the popular will for the overturn of
[Marxism] Davanellos The people of Greece must be heard: No more!
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The people of Greece must be heard: No more! by Antonis Davanellos Workers' Left(DEA), Greece Socialist Worker, U.S., July 10 http://socialistworker.org/2015/07/10/the-people-of-greece-must-be-heard . . . Antonis Davanellos is a member of the Greek socialist group Internationalist Workers Left (DEA), which co-founded SYRIZA in 2004. He is a member of SYRIZA's Central Committee and the smaller Political Secretariat, and a well-known voice of the Left Platform. In this article for DEA's Workers' Left newspaper, he addresses the discussions inside SYRIZA and on the broader left about what comes next after the referendum. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ . . . The votes of the masses of working people have given the government and SYRIZA a clean slate to work from. They have provided a new opportunity--maybe even a bigger opportunity than the January 25 election--to do what must be done. The measures promised by SYRIZA during the election campaign, which could have changed the political landscape in January if they were carried out immediately and unilaterally--for example, the immediate restoration of collective labor agreements, the increase of the minimum wage to the pre-Memorandum level, the re-establishment of a pension bonus at Christmastime--are once again on the agenda. But now, after five months of inaction on these measures and with almost all of the resources of the state exhausted in the meanwhile, the scale of the measures needed must take on a more generalized character. For example, the removal of Yannis Stournaras as governor of the Bank of Greece and the immediate nationalization of the core banks of the Greek financial system are now necessary conditions to maintain the basic functions of the economy. These are necessary to prevent the sabotage of the financial system, to ensure that working people's savings are protected, and to stop the flow of capital out of Greece if the government is going to be prepared to confront the chaos and crisis to come. Such measures are diametrically opposed to the so-called realism of those who want an agreement with the lenders, no matter what the cost. This is why the government's attempt to bring about a reconciliation between the winners and losers in the referendum--by holding a meeting of the leaders of Greece's biggest parties--is a wrong step. It has revived the media's speculation about a government of national unity, not only as a bargaining chip to use in the difficult negotiations with the lenders, but as a possible scenario for what's ahead. The statement issued by the heads of SYRIZA, New Democracy, PASOK, Potami and the others is not only false and arbitrary--it is directly in contradiction to the polarization expressed in the referendum. The range of unity claimed for the party leaders' July 7 statement doesn't exist and cannot exist politically. . . . In the negotiations--if they can honestly be called negotiations--two new issues have arisen. One is the question of debt relief. But the proposals of the lenders on this question remain extremely vague and put off the specifics of what will be done until after an agreement, including commitments to new austerity measures, is signed. The lenders' promise to hold future substantive discussions about the problem of the viability of Greece's international debt is not an acceptable commitment that would justify the Greek government signing an agreement that will include additional austerity measures, not to mention maintaining what has already been carried out under the previous Memorandums. The second issue in negotiations is a proposal for a development program for Greece. The package put forward by European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker promises about 35 billion euros in investments over the next five years. But these investments would be made under certain conditions--specifically, acceptance of the neoliberal counter-reforms attached to the bailout. They would be directed at specific economic areas--and even specific capitalists!--which means the program wouldn't permit funds to be used in areas that are a priority for the Greek people, like saving public hospitals and schools. The government's acceptance, in the statement of the seven party leaders on July 7, that the agreement with the lenders must encourage entrepreneurship is yet another worrying sign. . . . We must find the strength to continue the momentum from the referendum result, facing negotiations with firmness and without conceding the fundamental identity of SYRIZA as an anti-austerity party. We need to prepare--responsibly, but also resolutely--for alternative policies if and when the lenders insist on
[Marxism] Psychologists Shielded U.S. Torture Program, Report Finds
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * NY Times, July 10 2015 Psychologists Shielded U.S. Torture Program, Report Finds By JAMES RISEN WASHINGTON — The Central Intelligence Agency’s health professionals repeatedly criticized the agency’s post-Sept. 11 interrogation program, but their protests were rebuffed by prominent outside psychologists who lent credibility to the program, according to a sweeping new report. The 542-page report, which examines the involvement of the nation’s psychologists and their largest professional organization, the American Psychological Association, with the harsh interrogation programs of the Bush era, raises repeated questions about the collaboration between psychologists and officials at both the C.I.A. and the Pentagon. The report concludes that some of the association’s top officials, including its ethics director, sought to curry favor with Pentagon officials by seeking to keep the association’s ethics policies in line with the interrogation policies of the Defense Department, while several prominent outside psychologists took actions that aided the C.I.A.’s interrogation program and helped protect it from growing dissent inside the agency. The association’s ethics office, the report found, “prioritized the protection of psychologists — even those who might have engaged in unethical behavior — above the protection of the public.” Two former presidents of the psychological association were members of a C.I.A. advisory committee, the report found. One of them provided the agency with an opinion that sleep deprivation did not constitute torture, and later held a small ownership stake in a consulting company founded by two men who oversaw the agency’s interrogation program, it said. The association’s ethics director, Stephen Behnke, coordinated the group’s public policy statements on interrogations with a top military psychologist, the report said, and then received a Pentagon contract to help train interrogators while he was still working at the association, without the knowledge of the association’s board. Mr. Behnke did not respond to a request for comment. The report, which was obtained by The New York Times and has not previously been made public, is the result of a seven-month investigation conducted by a team led by David Hoffman, a Chicago lawyer with the firm Sidley Austin at the request of the psychology association’s board. The involvement of psychologists in the interrogation programs has been a source of contention within the profession for years. Another report, issued in April by several critics of the association, came to similar conclusions. But Mr. Hoffman’s report is by far the most detailed look yet into the crucial roles played by behavioral scientists, especially top officials at the American Psychological Association and some of the most prominent figures in the profession, in the interrogation programs. It also shows that the collaboration was much more extensive than was previously known. A report last December by the Senate Intelligence Committee detailed the brutality of some of the C.I.A.’s interrogation methods, but by focusing on the role of psychologists, Mr. Hoffman’s report provides new details, and can be seen as a companion to the Senate report. The C.I.A. and the Pentagon both conducted harsh interrogations during the administration of President George W. Bush, although the C.I.A.’s program included more brutal tactics. Some of them, like the simulated drowning technique called waterboarding, are now widely regarded as torture. The agency’s interrogations were done at so-called black site prisons around the world where prisoners were held secretly for years. The report found that while some prominent psychologists collaborated with C.I.A. officials in ways that aided the agency’s interrogation program, the American Psychological Association and its staff members were more focused on working with the Pentagon, with which the association has long had strong ties. Indeed, the report said that senior officials of the association had “colluded” with senior Defense Department officials to make certain that the association’s ethics rules did not hinder the ability of psychologists to remain involved with the ’s interrogation program. The report’s most immediate impact will be felt at the association, where it has been presented to the board and its members’ council. The association’s board met last week to discuss the report and is expected to act on its findings soon. The association has since renounced 2005 ethics guidelines that allowed psychologists to stay involved in the harsh
[Marxism] Syriza's Left Platform: The Alternative to Austerity
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The Alternative to Austerity There is an alternative to capitulation in Greece by The Left Platform Jacobin magazine, July 10 https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/07/tsipras-euro-debt-default-grexit The following is an abridged version of the statement submitted by the Left Platform at today’s plenary meeting of Syriza’s parliamentary group. - - - - - - - - - . . . In order to confront the pressures and unacceptable demands of the creditors, the process that could lead Greece out of the eurozone is a serious and complex enterprise, which should have been systematically prepared by the government and by Syriza. However, due to the tragic blockages that prevailed both in government and in the party, this has not been achieved. Nevertheless, even now the government can and must respond to the blackmail of the “institutions” by posing the following alternative: either a program without any further austerity, providing liquidity, and leading to debt cancellation, or exit from the euro and default on the repayment of an unjust and unsustainable debt. If required by the circumstances, the government has, even now, the possibility and the minimum of liquidity that is required to implement a transitional program to the national currency, which will allow it to implement its commitments towards the Greek people, and in particular to adopt the following measures: 1) The radical reorganization of the banking system, its nationalization under social control, and its reorientation towards growth. 2) The complete rejection of fiscal austerity (primary surpluses and balanced budgets) in order to effectively address the humanitarian crisis, cover social needs, reconstruct the social state, and take the economy out of the vicious circle of recession. 3) The implementation of the beginning procedures leading to exit from the euro and to the cancellation of the major part of the debt. There are absolutely manageable choices that can lead to a new economic model oriented towards production, growth, and the change in the social balance of forces to the benefit of the working class and the people. . . . More specifically, some of the positive aspects of the exit include: *Recovery of monetary sovereignty, which automatically means regaining the capacity to provide liquidity to the economy. There is no other way to cut the European Central Bank’s noose on Greece. *The elaboration of a development plan based on public investment, which will however also allow in parallel private investment. Greece needs a new and productive relationship between the public and private sectors to enter a path to sustainable development. The realization of this project will become possible once liquidity is reestablished, combined with national saving. *Regaining control of the domestic market from imported products will revitalize and enhance the role of small and medium-sized enterprises, which remain the backbone of the Greek economy. At the same time exports will be stimulated by the introduction of a national currency. *The state will be liberated from the stranglehold of the European Monetary Union at the level of fiscal and monetary policy. It will be able to achieve substantial lifting of austerity, without unreasonable restrictions on the provision of liquidity. This will also enable the state to adopt measures which will bring fiscal justice and redistribution of wealth and income. *The possibility of accelerated growth after the initial difficult months. The resources that became inactive during the seven-year-long period of crisis can be quickly mobilized to reverse the disastrous policy of the memoranda, if there is sufficient liquidity and a stimulation of demand. This will open up the possibility of a systematic decline in unemployment and a rise in income. Finally, by leaving the EMU, Greece will not become less European, it will follow a path that differs from the one followed by the countries of the European Union core, an option which is already well advanced in countries such as Sweden and Denmark. The exit from the EMU not only will not isolate our country, but, on the contrary, will allow it to acquire a new role on the international scene. A role based on independence and dignity, very different from the position of an insignificant pariah as dictated by the neoliberal policies of the memoranda. The process of an exit from the EMU requires of course political legitimacy and active popular support. The referendum demonstrated the will of the people to reject once and for all austerity regardless of the challenges raised by the foreign and the domestic establishment. It is now clear
Re: [Marxism] Facing bad choices, in or out of the euro, Greece needs our solidarity
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Jul 10, 2015, at 4:35 AM, ioannis aposperites via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: …Tsipras was clear from the beginning: His government was declared to be a national salvation government. The promises to the proletariat were supposed to be the outcome of a fair class collaboration and were conditioned by that collaboration as long as the bourgeoisie had to be also satisfied. You like it or not, that was Tsipras' game. Of course the greek working class and its other political forces were and are playing a variety of different games, but that does not regard Tsipras' intentions. Conclusion: speaking of treachery is not even technically correct. The word treachery is sometimes bandied about too loosely, but let’s not bend the stick back too far in this case. Tsipras was not “clear from the beginning” that his intention, and that of his government, was to implement the most punitive of a succession of austerity packages forced on the battered Greek masses over the past five years. Exactly the opposite, of course. The stated intention of the Thessaloniki program was precisely to put an end to the austerity packages and the country’s debt peonage and to use the state to launch a program of public works and other measures to promote an economic recovery. The program was Keynesian in essence, and it is from that standpoint, not that of revolutionary socialism, that Tsipras’ government wholly abandoned the party program and the tens of millions who rallied behind it. Tactical retreats and compromises which fall short of the full realization of a party program are often necessary and inevitable given adverse economic circumstances and the political correlation of forces. Calling on your troops to lay down their arms and surrender unconditionally to the enemy the day after they have won a resounding victory and their confidence and readiness for further combat in pursuit of their objective has been greatly strengthened (as well as that of their allies abroad) is a qualitatively different matter. Finally, the Tsipras government was not a “national salvation” or unity government, as the term is commonly understood. Syriza formed a coalition government with the smaller right wing ANEL party which was also opposed to the austerity program imposed on Greece. The two established parties, ND and PASOK, and a new centre party, To Potami, were all outside the government and were consistently critical of its declared intention to repudiate the debt and resistance to so-called “structural reforms”. It was only earlier this week that the Syriza leadership reached out to the discredited leaders of the opposition parties to issue a joint statement in favour of an agreement with the troika on the latter’s terms, precisely those which a strong majority of Greeks had rejected by referendum a day earlier. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Facing bad choices, in or out of the euro, Greece needs our solidarity
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Correction: Last sentence, second para. should read “millions”, not “tens of millions”. Begin forwarded message: From: Marv Gandall marvga...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] Facing bad choices, in or out of the euro, Greece needs our solidarity Date: July 10, 2015 at 6:15:07 PM EDT To: ioannis aposperites aposperi...@gmail.com, Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu On Jul 10, 2015, at 4:35 AM, ioannis aposperites via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: …Tsipras was clear from the beginning: His government was declared to be a national salvation government. The promises to the proletariat were supposed to be the outcome of a fair class collaboration and were conditioned by that collaboration as long as the bourgeoisie had to be also satisfied. You like it or not, that was Tsipras' game. Of course the greek working class and its other political forces were and are playing a variety of different games, but that does not regard Tsipras' intentions. Conclusion: speaking of treachery is not even technically correct. The word treachery is sometimes bandied about too loosely, but let’s not bend the stick back too far in this case. Tsipras was not “clear from the beginning” that his intention, and that of his government, was to implement the most punitive of a succession of austerity packages forced on the battered Greek masses over the past five years. Exactly the opposite, of course. The stated intention of the Thessaloniki program was precisely to put an end to the austerity packages and the country’s debt peonage and to use the state to launch a program of public works and other measures to promote an economic recovery. The program was Keynesian in essence, and it is from that standpoint, not that of revolutionary socialism, that Tsipras’ government wholly abandoned the party program and the tens of millions who rallied behind it. Tactical retreats and compromises which fall short of the full realization of a party program are often necessary and inevitable given adverse economic circumstances and the political correlation of forces. Calling on your troops to lay down their arms and surrender unconditionally to the enemy the day after they have won a resounding victory and their confidence and readiness for further combat in pursuit of their objective has been greatly strengthened (as well as that of their allies abroad) is a qualitatively different matter. Finally, the Tsipras government was not a “national salvation” or unity government, as the term is commonly understood. Syriza formed a coalition government with the smaller right wing ANEL party which was also opposed to the austerity program imposed on Greece. The two established parties, ND and PASOK, and a new centre party, To Potami, were all outside the government and were consistently critical of its declared intention to repudiate the debt and resistance to so-called “structural reforms”. It was only earlier this week that the Syriza leadership reached out to the discredited leaders of the opposition parties to issue a joint statement in favour of an agreement with the troika on the latter’s terms, precisely those which a strong majority of Greeks had rejected by referendum a day earlier. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Konstini Khabensky is considering playung Trotsky to celebrate 100th anniversary of October 1917 Revolution!
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[Marxism] Paul Mason What was the point of Tsipras referendum?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Not sure if Andrew Pollack is misreading Paul Mason, but to me, Paul Mason made sense. Here is my own take on it. I do understand why the Greeks want to stay in the Eurozone. The Euro has strong symbolic value for the unity of the European people. The possibility to travel without having to go through customs and without having to go to the currency exchange window is a great unifying experience for the ordinary person. (1) What was the point of the Referendum? I think the referendum should be taken at face value. Tsipras needed to know whether the Greek masses were willing to accept the conditions of the Institutions. This would make a difference for further negotiations. I don't think he expected to lose, but he assumed that there was a good probability he might lose. He needed the referendum exactly because he did not know whether the answer would be yes or no. In case of a yes vote, others would continue the negotiations. I think the no vote was an expression of confidence, that the Greeks knew that their government was doing the best they could to fulfill their electoral mandate. (2) Why did Varoufakis resign? Again I think the official story is basically correct. After the resounding no vote, Tsipras expected that the Institutions would see themselves forced to make more concessions. And as an ice breaker, Tsipras sacrificed Varoufakis in order to get the negotiations going again. Not because Varoufakis did something wrong, but because Varoufakis knew too much; he embarrassed the negotiators on the other side by being the better economist. Varoufakis showed to the whole world that the negotiaions were not about economics but about power. His latest Guardian op-ed http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/10/germany-greek-pain-debt-relief-grexit is another proof of a much more penetrating insight into the process and history than available from the other negotiators. (3) Now the important thing is the reaction of the Institutions to the Referendum and to Tsipras's good-will gesture of withdrawing Varoufakis. Their reaction was: nothing. Not a single conciliatory gesture, instead they insisted on the deadlock before the referendum and said it is up to the Greeks. This ultimate intransigence showed their disdain for democracy and also showed that they did not want Greece in the Euro zone any more. Perhaps Merkel had maneuvered herself into a position where she was not able to make concessions any more, or perhaps---Varoufakis is not the only one to say this about Schauble---Schauble had not been negotiating in good faith, he wanted the negotiations to fail. (4) What did Tsipras do when he, and everybody else, saw the true position of the Institutions? He saw the expulsion of Greece coming and he did not want it blamed on Syriza. He did not have the mandate to leave the Euro, and I think it is also strategically wrong for socialists to voluntarily leave the Euro or the EU, they should push the envelope and do as much as they can do inside the Euro and EU. Therefore he made an offer giving the Institutions all they wanted, in order to see if under these conditions the Institutions would grant Greece a reduction or re-structuring of the debt in such a way that this austerity would have at least a chance of success. (5) Did Tsipras's gambit pay off? Der Spiegel, which until yesterday preached how the collapse of the Greek economy is the fault of the Greeks, who were demanding too much, is suddenly full of revelations how much pressure the US was exerting on Merkel to give the Greeks a break. This give Merkel a face-saving way out: she does not have to cave to the lazy Greeks but she has to respect the will of the US. So I think there is a good chance Greece will stay in the Euro, but this is not at all certain. Here are the two possibilities as I see them: If Greece remains in the Eurozone at the cost of further austerity measures, then this is the loss of one skirmish but not of the war. Syriza tried to get the best outcome possible while respecting the will of the voters to stay within the Eurozone. Syriza did not betray the voters. They tried everything possible to carry out the mandate of the voters and were defeated because the enemy was stronger or more ruthless than they, and because their own mandate, eliminating austerity while staying in the Eurozone, was somewhat contradictory. And the struggle continues. Despite the fact that they were forced to accede to austerity demands in the end, their honorable and courageous battle and their respect for democracy will encourage the voters in Spain, Ireland and elsewhere to vote for their own left