Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

[Mark Richey via Marxism]

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Speaking of documentation, since you can't of course produce any that I'm any 
sort of spy, you should, on any sober,rational, let alone 'marxist' list,be 
immediately suspended for unfounded and vicious rumor mongering.

What I can document is that 'solidarity' activists anywhere in the US are 
overwhelmingly liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists, such as MECA, JVP, IJAN, etc. 
Such is the case in the Bay Area where most are in the wake of Barbara Lubin, 
the alter ego of MECA, essentially a two Jewish woman operation, but which 
people like AR parrot mindlessly.  After all, they're Jewish, they must be 
right..

They've been spreading these rumors for 20 years,and of course, any rational 
person would assume that any real agent would have disappeared back then and 
been replaced with someone not targeted as such...

But we're dealing with tribal cliquism here, not rational discourse. After all, 
I'm not Jewish， 'we' don't need any stinking documentation...

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>On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:07 AM, A.R. G via Marxism <
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>> Worth noting, many of the Palestine solidarity activists I know in the Bay
>> Area are convinced that Mark Richey worked closely with people at the
>> Anti-Defamation League during the 1993 ADL espionage scandal or something
>> like that. They think he's a spy.
>>
>> - Amith
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>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism <
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>> > On 10/15/15 8:25 AM, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:
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>> >>
>> >> But whether or not there ever was such an unarmed, 'spontaneous'
>> >> civilian opposition, , hey, it's LONG gone at this point.  The FSA,
>> >> according to Franklin Lamb, who has spent a lot of time in Syria and
>> >> speaks the language, is mostly viewed now by Syrians  as agents of
>> >> Turkey.
>> >>
>> >
>> > If you plan on participating on Marxmail except to fish for people to add
>> > to your mailing list, it would be a good idea to invoke authorities with
>> a
>> > bit more credibility. Lamb is a long-term partisan of Hizbollah, which he
>> > would be happy to admit.
>> >
>> > In terms of the enemy being at home, does that mean we should join some
>> > rally organized by UNAC in Washington demanding "No Tow Missiles", where
>> we
>> > can see a bunch of people carrying big pictures of Bashar al-Assad as is
>> > customary in such ranks?
>> >
>> >
>> > No thanks.
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Re: [Marxism] Jew baiting (was: Time to recall that the enemy is athome)

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At 07:29 19-10-15 -0400, A.R. G via Marxism wrote:
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>But I think Mark Richey's comments are crude and and unsophisticated 

Well I don't think "unsophisticated" applies in this case. When an ordinary
Palestinian (for instance) says that they "don't like Jews," I would call
his statement "unsophisticated." It's rather forgivable given that the only
times he sees "Jews" is with their guns pointed at him, or driving between
settlements on a road they aren't allowed to use. That has nothing to do
with antisemitism and can be excused as an "unsophisticated" statement by
an unsophisticated individual in an intolerable circumstance.

By all accounts Mark Richey has been around for decades and is surely
sophisticated. He surely knows exactly what he's saying and the entire
historical context within which his remarks will be interpreted. His
statements are inexcusable. I don't call for or expect an apology from him
because I'm sure he knows exactly what he is doing. The rest of us can only
speculate.

- Jeff



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Re: [Marxism] Jew baiting (was: Time to recall that the enemy is at home)

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This ain't a myth, honey, as you well know.  That's all there is to say on the 
subject.

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>At 14:18 19-10-15 +0800, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:
>>
>>What I can document
>
>For starters, we don't want to hear claims of what someone "can document."
>Someone who wants to make an argument just sends the documentation, period.
>When the most you can say is that you "can document" something, it's
>usually because you can't. Likewise when "everyone knows" some fact (e.g.
>about Syria) it usually means no one actually knows it.
>
>But getting to the point:
>
>> is that 'solidarity' activists anywhere in the US are overwhelmingly 
>>liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists, 
>
>In any political discussion, identifying ethnicity/religion of participants
>when there is no sociological relevance is properly frowned up. Much more
>serious however are such reference in relationship to activists who you are
>in discussion with, even indirectly. The discussion on this list has to
>center on the ideas being expressed, not on who's expressing them, and
>absolutely not on unrelated factors about those individuals, most of all
>factors that have been associated with discrimination or oppression. 
>
>It is particularly egregious when such a reference conjures up racist myths
>about "Jewish domination" or conspiracies, as these are lies that are
>associated with past genocide. Labelling any activists who work in the
>interests of Palestine "Zionist" is a particularly vicious and disruptive
>charge since it's the same as saying that they are on the side of the enemy
>(just like a false charge of someone being an informer). I have never seen
>a phrase such as "liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists" thrown around on this
>list (or in any acceptable discussion) and absolutely do not expect to see
>it again.
>
>I imagine the only reason the moderator has allowed this person to get this
>far, is that because his contributions to the discussion are so disgusting
>that they actually benefit the other side. And that his statements are so
>easy to counter. But frankly if Louis would like to have a discussion about
>Syria with the pro-Assad left, I'd really prefer if it was with Brian
>Becker or Franklin Lamb, so that the victory of his argumentation would
>mean something.
>
>I have seen no evidence that this person has anything useful to contribute
>to this list or has any intention of discussing ideas in good faith. And
>the use of ethnic references of the sort I mentioned is completely
>unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated in the least.
>
>- Jeff 
>
>such as MECA, JVP, IJAN, etc. Such is the 
>>case in the Bay Area where most are in the wake of Barbara Lubin, the alter 
>>ego of MECA, essentially a two Jewish woman operation, but which people like 
>>AR parrot mindlessly.  After all, they're Jewish, they must be
>right..
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Re: [Marxism] Jew baiting (was: Time to recall that the enemy is at home)

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These people ARE smart and sophisticated, and when they spread these rumors, of 
course they know perfectly well they aren't true, they dont' make sense since 
any real agent would have immediately disappeared when identified..

And of course, they also know the government remotely listens to everything on 
the net anyway, they have no need to send agents around any longer.

So what they are doing is DELIBERATELY spreading falsehoods, smears basically.

And they know there are nutballs worse than even Jeff who will take this for 
good coin, and I could well be assaulted, or worse.

And of course, THEY wouldn't be responsible if that happened, would they?  Oh 
no, SOO clever, these liberal zionists.

THAT is what makes repeating those rumors on the list so contempitble.  You are 
chiming in with veiled death threats.

 As for those who support and defend this sort of activity, I will leave that 
for other people to judge.  Too obvious for me to bother editorializing. 

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>Personally I don't think that *any* references to Jewish privileging,
>especially in Palestine circles, should be ban-worthy. Also, there is an
>actual phenomenon called liberal Zionism and it does, in fact, have an
>excessive influence on the US left.
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>But I think Mark Richey's comments are crude and and unsophisticated and
>uncalled for, and like Jeff says there's no sociological relevance. So for
>once, I kind of agree with Jeff.
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>I admit, I made a mistake of bringing up the rumor against Mark.
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>> At 14:18 19-10-15 +0800, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:
>> >
>> >What I can document
>>
>> For starters, we don't want to hear claims of what someone "can document."
>> Someone who wants to make an argument just sends the documentation, period.
>> When the most you can say is that you "can document" something, it's
>> usually because you can't. Likewise when "everyone knows" some fact (e.g.
>> about Syria) it usually means no one actually knows it.
>>
>> But getting to the point:
>>
>> > is that 'solidarity' activists anywhere in the US are overwhelmingly
>> >liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists,
>>
>> In any political discussion, identifying ethnicity/religion of participants
>> when there is no sociological relevance is properly frowned up. Much more
>> serious however are such reference in relationship to activists who you are
>> in discussion with, even indirectly. The discussion on this list has to
>> center on the ideas being expressed, not on who's expressing them, and
>> absolutely not on unrelated factors about those individuals, most of all
>> factors that have been associated with discrimination or oppression.
>>
>> It is particularly egregious when such a reference conjures up racist myths
>> about "Jewish domination" or conspiracies, as these are lies that are
>> associated with past genocide. Labelling any activists who work in the
>> interests of Palestine "Zionist" is a particularly vicious and disruptive
>> charge since it's the same as saying that they are on the side of the enemy
>> (just like a false charge of someone being an informer). I have never seen
>> a phrase such as "liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists" thrown around on this
>> list (or in any acceptable discussion) and absolutely do not expect to see
>> it again.
>>
>> I imagine the only reason the moderator has allowed this person to get this
>> far, is that because his contributions to the discussion are so disgusting
>> that they actually benefit the other side. And that his statements are so
>> easy to counter. But frankly if Louis would like to have a discussion about
>> Syria with the pro-Assad left, I'd really prefer if it was with Brian
>> Becker 

Re: [Marxism] Jew baiting (was: Time to recall that the enemy is at home)

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Well, thank you for the sort-of apology.  That was far worse than anything I 
said about the zio-cliques, all of which I stand by, not in the least crude.

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>actual phenomenon called liberal Zionism and it does, in fact, have an
>excessive influence on the US left.
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>But I think Mark Richey's comments are crude and and unsophisticated and
>uncalled for, and like Jeff says there's no sociological relevance. So for
>once, I kind of agree with Jeff.
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>I admit, I made a mistake of bringing up the rumor against Mark.
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>> At 14:18 19-10-15 +0800, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:
>> >
>> >What I can document
>>
>> For starters, we don't want to hear claims of what someone "can document."
>> Someone who wants to make an argument just sends the documentation, period.
>> When the most you can say is that you "can document" something, it's
>> usually because you can't. Likewise when "everyone knows" some fact (e.g.
>> about Syria) it usually means no one actually knows it.
>>
>> But getting to the point:
>>
>> > is that 'solidarity' activists anywhere in the US are overwhelmingly
>> >liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists,
>>
>> In any political discussion, identifying ethnicity/religion of participants
>> when there is no sociological relevance is properly frowned up. Much more
>> serious however are such reference in relationship to activists who you are
>> in discussion with, even indirectly. The discussion on this list has to
>> center on the ideas being expressed, not on who's expressing them, and
>> absolutely not on unrelated factors about those individuals, most of all
>> factors that have been associated with discrimination or oppression.
>>
>> It is particularly egregious when such a reference conjures up racist myths
>> about "Jewish domination" or conspiracies, as these are lies that are
>> associated with past genocide. Labelling any activists who work in the
>> interests of Palestine "Zionist" is a particularly vicious and disruptive
>> charge since it's the same as saying that they are on the side of the enemy
>> (just like a false charge of someone being an informer). I have never seen
>> a phrase such as "liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists" thrown around on this
>> list (or in any acceptable discussion) and absolutely do not expect to see
>> it again.
>>
>> I imagine the only reason the moderator has allowed this person to get this
>> far, is that because his contributions to the discussion are so disgusting
>> that they actually benefit the other side. And that his statements are so
>> easy to counter. But frankly if Louis would like to have a discussion about
>> Syria with the pro-Assad left, I'd really prefer if it was with Brian
>> Becker or Franklin Lamb, so that the victory of his argumentation would
>> mean something.
>>
>> I have seen no evidence that this person has anything useful to contribute
>> to this list or has any intention of discussing ideas in good faith. And
>> the use of ethnic references of the sort I mentioned is completely
>> unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated in the least.
>>
>> - Jeff
>>
>> such as MECA, JVP, IJAN, etc. Such is the
>> >case in the Bay Area where most are in the wake of Barbara Lubin, the
>> alter
>> >ego of MECA, essentially a two Jewish woman operation, but which people
>> like
>> >AR parrot mindlessly.  After all, they're Jewish, they must be
>> right..
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[Marxism] Jew baiting (was: Time to recall that the enemy is at home)

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At 14:18 19-10-15 +0800, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:
>
>What I can document

For starters, we don't want to hear claims of what someone "can document."
Someone who wants to make an argument just sends the documentation, period.
When the most you can say is that you "can document" something, it's
usually because you can't. Likewise when "everyone knows" some fact (e.g.
about Syria) it usually means no one actually knows it.

But getting to the point:

> is that 'solidarity' activists anywhere in the US are overwhelmingly 
>liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists, 

In any political discussion, identifying ethnicity/religion of participants
when there is no sociological relevance is properly frowned up. Much more
serious however are such reference in relationship to activists who you are
in discussion with, even indirectly. The discussion on this list has to
center on the ideas being expressed, not on who's expressing them, and
absolutely not on unrelated factors about those individuals, most of all
factors that have been associated with discrimination or oppression. 

It is particularly egregious when such a reference conjures up racist myths
about "Jewish domination" or conspiracies, as these are lies that are
associated with past genocide. Labelling any activists who work in the
interests of Palestine "Zionist" is a particularly vicious and disruptive
charge since it's the same as saying that they are on the side of the enemy
(just like a false charge of someone being an informer). I have never seen
a phrase such as "liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists" thrown around on this
list (or in any acceptable discussion) and absolutely do not expect to see
it again.

I imagine the only reason the moderator has allowed this person to get this
far, is that because his contributions to the discussion are so disgusting
that they actually benefit the other side. And that his statements are so
easy to counter. But frankly if Louis would like to have a discussion about
Syria with the pro-Assad left, I'd really prefer if it was with Brian
Becker or Franklin Lamb, so that the victory of his argumentation would
mean something.

I have seen no evidence that this person has anything useful to contribute
to this list or has any intention of discussing ideas in good faith. And
the use of ethnic references of the sort I mentioned is completely
unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated in the least.

- Jeff 

such as MECA, JVP, IJAN, etc. Such is the 
>case in the Bay Area where most are in the wake of Barbara Lubin, the alter 
>ego of MECA, essentially a two Jewish woman operation, but which people like 
>AR parrot mindlessly.  After all, they're Jewish, they must be
right..
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Re: [Marxism] Jew baiting (was: Time to recall that the enemy is at home)

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Personally I don't think that *any* references to Jewish privileging,
especially in Palestine circles, should be ban-worthy. Also, there is an
actual phenomenon called liberal Zionism and it does, in fact, have an
excessive influence on the US left.

But I think Mark Richey's comments are crude and and unsophisticated and
uncalled for, and like Jeff says there's no sociological relevance. So for
once, I kind of agree with Jeff.

I admit, I made a mistake of bringing up the rumor against Mark.

- Amith

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> At 14:18 19-10-15 +0800, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:
> >
> >What I can document
>
> For starters, we don't want to hear claims of what someone "can document."
> Someone who wants to make an argument just sends the documentation, period.
> When the most you can say is that you "can document" something, it's
> usually because you can't. Likewise when "everyone knows" some fact (e.g.
> about Syria) it usually means no one actually knows it.
>
> But getting to the point:
>
> > is that 'solidarity' activists anywhere in the US are overwhelmingly
> >liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists,
>
> In any political discussion, identifying ethnicity/religion of participants
> when there is no sociological relevance is properly frowned up. Much more
> serious however are such reference in relationship to activists who you are
> in discussion with, even indirectly. The discussion on this list has to
> center on the ideas being expressed, not on who's expressing them, and
> absolutely not on unrelated factors about those individuals, most of all
> factors that have been associated with discrimination or oppression.
>
> It is particularly egregious when such a reference conjures up racist myths
> about "Jewish domination" or conspiracies, as these are lies that are
> associated with past genocide. Labelling any activists who work in the
> interests of Palestine "Zionist" is a particularly vicious and disruptive
> charge since it's the same as saying that they are on the side of the enemy
> (just like a false charge of someone being an informer). I have never seen
> a phrase such as "liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists" thrown around on this
> list (or in any acceptable discussion) and absolutely do not expect to see
> it again.
>
> I imagine the only reason the moderator has allowed this person to get this
> far, is that because his contributions to the discussion are so disgusting
> that they actually benefit the other side. And that his statements are so
> easy to counter. But frankly if Louis would like to have a discussion about
> Syria with the pro-Assad left, I'd really prefer if it was with Brian
> Becker or Franklin Lamb, so that the victory of his argumentation would
> mean something.
>
> I have seen no evidence that this person has anything useful to contribute
> to this list or has any intention of discussing ideas in good faith. And
> the use of ethnic references of the sort I mentioned is completely
> unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated in the least.
>
> - Jeff
>
> such as MECA, JVP, IJAN, etc. Such is the
> >case in the Bay Area where most are in the wake of Barbara Lubin, the
> alter
> >ego of MECA, essentially a two Jewish woman operation, but which people
> like
> >AR parrot mindlessly.  After all, they're Jewish, they must be
> right..
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Re: [Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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As Louis' own posting the other day suggests, there is a technical issue
with this list that private messages sometimes mistakenly go public. I'll
admit, I did not mean to rumor-monger against Mark Richey, but the fact is,
said rumor exists: many people think you are an agent of the
Anti-Defamation League and you are attempting to gather information on
activists the way Roy Bullock did in the 1990s.

Given your bizarro commentary about "the Jews" and your suspicion that I am
collaborating with them -- especially given the kind of harsh invective
that has been directed at myself and Louis for condemning the kind of
privileging of Jewish voices and concerns that does exist in Palestine
circles -- I can see why they would suspect you of being a provocateur. Of
course, you could just be a crazy guy, there are plenty of those.

Re: whether or not you are a Jew, consider that much of the condemnation
against anti-Semitic infiltration of Palestine circles has been directed at
two men, Gilad Atzmon and Israel Shamir. Both men are Jewish, both men are
frankly ridiculous people, and both men have espoused Nazi-like ideas that,
in my view, have been rightly condemned as cheap, anti-Semitic, and
otherwise discrediting and unhelpful to the Palestinian cause. While I did
not agree with the underlying focus of the campaigns against them (i.e. the
obsession with trying to find anti-Jewish sentiment in these circles while
taking less-than-principled positions on Zionism, comparable in my view to
finding anti-white sentiment among BLM activists while ignoring the racism
of white liberals, etc), the accusations against Atzmon and Shamir are more
or less accurate. If it were true that simply being Jewish (or not) were
the standard for dismissing someone, then neither of those men would have
been dismissed and their ridiculous ideas would have far greater sway among
Western leftists.

"They've been spreading these rumors for 20 years,and of course, any
rational person would assume that any real agent would have disappeared
back then and been replaced with someone not targeted as such"

So you are aware of these rumors. Who is "they"? Who is behind them? In
your view, why are they spreading them about you and not anyone else? Do
you think making sweeping generalizations and attacks against not only JVP
but also IJAN, MECA, Barbara Lubin, etc. without the slightest bit of
evidence for your complaints might be off-putting to others? As an
organizer, I too have many issues with many organizations -- JVP's National
branch being one of them. But I generally do not go around publicly
attacking everyone else while pitching my internet list-serv to people.

- Amith

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:18 AM, Mark Richey 
wrote:

> Speaking of documentation, since you can't of course produce any that I'm
> any sort of spy, you should, on any sober,rational, let alone 'marxist'
> list,be immediately suspended for unfounded and vicious rumor mongering.
>
> What I can document is that 'solidarity' activists anywhere in the US are
> overwhelmingly liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists, such as MECA, JVP, IJAN,
> etc. Such is the case in the Bay Area where most are in the wake of Barbara
> Lubin, the alter ego of MECA, essentially a two Jewish woman operation, but
> which people like AR parrot mindlessly.  After all, they're Jewish, they
> must be right..
>
> They've been spreading these rumors for 20 years,and of course, any
> rational person would assume that any real agent would have disappeared
> back then and been replaced with someone not targeted as such...
>
> But we're dealing with tribal cliquism here, not rational discourse. After
> all, I'm not Jewish， 'we' don't need any stinking documentation...
>
> -Original Message-
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[Marxism] ARGENTINA /​'Capitalism Can't Go On': A Revolutionary Electoral Campaign

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Full article: ​http://leftvoice.org/The-Left-Front-Electoral-Campaign​​


​In case you're interesed on watching t
he
​TV ads campaign ​of the
Left and Workers' Front
​(FIT) ​
in Argentina
​.
The FIT
is among the 6 slates running for President. In the final stretch of the
campaign, Nicolás del Caño and Myriam Bregman capture the voice of the left
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[Marxism] Fwd: Eliot Higgins - a Freedom of Information request to University of Southampton - WhatDoTheyKnow

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Seymour Hersh is investigating Brown Moses. I hope he does a better job 
than his ludicrous LRB investigation of sarin gas attacks.


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Re: [Marxism] Syrian Coalition: Assad Squandered Syria’s Sovereignty to Israeli, Russian and Iranian Aggressors

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You could say much the same thing about many regimes in the region, or 
elsewhere, such as Egypt, or Pakistan.  How does that justify massive foreign 
armed intervention, together with violence particularly directed against ethnic 
and religious minorities?  That is your implication.  Have Libyans seen a more 
humane economic system put in place?  

 Also, there is very little evidence that the jihadists are critics of the 
Syrian economic model.  When interviewed, such as in the recent interview of 
the chief of al-Nusra, they only call for murder of Assad and Hassan Nasrallah, 
of Lebanon, and also of the Alawite population ('hundreds of missiles on 
Alawite cities.') in general.  Pure sectarian/ethnic/religious hatred. 

 I have never seen any indication that the jihadists and former Assad military 
chiefs have any agenda other than putting in place a dictatorship with THEM in 
charge--and a dictatorship involving genocide against the Syrian minorities, 
who have nearly all fled when their territory is conquered by jihadists.

-Original Message-
>From: Louis Proyect 
>Sent: Oct 19, 2015 9:17 PM
>To: Mark Richey , Activists and scholars in Marxist 
>tradition 
>Subject: Re: [Marxism] Syrian Coalition: Assad Squandered Syria’s Sovereignty 
>to Israeli, Russian and Iranian Aggressors
>
>On 10/19/15 12:30 AM, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:
>> Allowing transit  is a far different thing than BRINGING the
>> jihadists to Syria, and Assad's alowing transit was secndary to the
>> US sponsorship of jihadist networks deriving from the US campaign in
>> Afghanistan.  Together with Saudi sponsorship.  Assad just played
>> along.
>
>The point of the article is to show that Assad's opposition to jihadis 
>is bullshit. When his cops facilitated their entry into Syria when it 
>served his ends, that should have put the kibosh on the idea that he is 
>fighting al-Qaeda, etc. The only thing he is fighting are poor Sunnis 
>who flocked to the city when rural misery forced an internal migration 
>not much different than the one that makes Mexicans come to the USA. If 
>you had the slightest familiarity with Syrian society. Like all members 
>of the Baathist amen corner, you could care less about such matters.
>
>http://www.merip.org/mer/mer262/syrian-regimes-business-backbone
>
>After Bashar al-Asad succeeded his father in 2000, the architects of 
>Syria’s economic policy sought to reverse the downturn by liberalizing 
>the economy further, for instance by reducing state subsidies. Private 
>banks were permitted for the first time in nearly 40 years and a stock 
>market was on the drawing board. After 2005, the state-business bonds 
>were strengthened by the announcement of the Social Market Economy, a 
>mixture of state and market approaches that ultimately privileged the 
>market, but a market without robust institutions or accountability. 
>Again, the regime had consolidated its alliance with big business at the 
>expense of smaller businesses as well as the Syrian majority who 
>depended on the state for services, subsidies and welfare. It had 
>perpetuated cronyism, but dressed it in new garb. Families associated 
>with the regime in one way or another came to dominate the private 
>sector, in addition to exercising considerable control over public 
>economic assets. These clans include the Asads and Makhloufs, but also 
>the Shalish, al-Hassan, Najib, Hamsho, Hambouba, Shawkat and al-As‘ad 
>families, to name a few. The reconstituted business community, which now 
>included regime officials, close supporters and a thick sliver of the 
>traditional bourgeoisie, effected a deeper (and, for the regime, more 
>dangerous) polarization of Syrian society along lines of income and region.
>
>Successive years of scant rainfall and drought after 2003 produced 
>massive rural in-migration to the cities -- more than 1 million people 
>had moved by 2009 -- widening the social and regional gaps still 
>further. Major cities, such as Damascus and Aleppo, absorbed that 
>migration more easily than smaller ones, which were increasingly starved 
>of infrastructural investment. Provincial cities like Dir‘a, Idlib, Homs 
>and Hama, along with their hinterlands, are now the main battlegrounds 
>of the rebellion. Those living in rural areas have seen their 
>livelihoods gutted by reduction of subsidies, disinvestment and the 
>effects of urbanization, as well as decades of corrupt authoritarian 
>rule. The Tunisian and Egyptian uprisings motivated them to express 
>their discontent openly and together.

Re: [Marxism] Syrian Coalition: Assad Squandered Syria’s Sovereignty to Israeli, Russian and Iranian Aggressors

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On 10/19/15 9:32 AM, Mark Richey wrote:
> You could say much the same thing about many regimes in the region,
> or elsewhere, such as Egypt, or Pakistan.  How does that justify
> massive foreign armed intervention, together with violence
> particularly directed against ethnic and religious minorities?  That
> is your implication.  Have Libyans seen a more humane economic system
> put in place?

You're right. Iran, Russia and Hezbollah are to be condemned for 
propping up a ghoul like Assad.


>
> Also, there is very little evidence that the jihadists are critics of
> the Syrian economic model.  When interviewed, such as in the recent
> interview of the chief of al-Nusra, they only call for murder of
> Assad and Hassan Nasrallah, of Lebanon, and also of the Alawite
> population ('hundreds of missiles on Alawite cities.') in general.
> Pure sectarian/ethnic/religious hatred.

I advocate the approach of the grass roots movement that the FSA 
defended, not any Salafist group. Here is an indication of the kind of 
society they were trying to build before Syria's Pinochet decided that 
the baby had to be strangled in its cradle:


http://harpers.org/archive/2012/08/welcome-to-free-syria/

Matar brought me to a mosque that sits next to one of the mass graves. 
Inside, there were heaps of clothes, boxes of Turkish biscuits, and 
crates of bottled water. An old bald man with a walrus mustache studied 
a ledger with intensity while a group of old men around him argued about 
how much charity they could demand from Taftanaz’s rich to rebuild the 
town. This was the public-affairs committee, one of the village’s 
revolutionary councils. The mustached man slammed his hands on the floor 
and shouted, “This is a revolution of the poor! The rich will have to 
accept that.” He turned to me and explained, “We’ve gone to every house 
in town and determined what they need”—he pointed at the ledger—“and 
compared it with what donations come in. Everything gets recorded and 
can be seen by the public.”


All around Taftanaz, amid the destruction, rebel councils like this were 
meeting—twenty-seven in all, and each of them had elected a delegate to 
sit on the citywide council. They were a sign of a deeper transformation 
that the revolution had wrought in Syria: Bashar al-Assad once subdued 
small towns like these with an impressive apparatus of secret police, 
party hacks, and yes-men; now such control was impossible without an 
occupation. The Syrian army, however, lacked the numbers to control the 
hinterlands—it entered, fought, and moved on to the next target. There 
could be no return to the status quo, it seemed, even if the way forward 
was unclear.


In the neighboring town of Binnish, I visited the farmers’ council, a 
body of about a thousand members that set grain prices and adjudicated 
land disputes. Its leader, an old man I’ll call Abdul Hakim, explained 
to me that before the revolution, farmers were forced to sell grain to 
the government at a price that barely covered the cost of production. 
Following the uprising, the farmers tried to sell directly to the town 
at almost double the former rates. But locals balked and complained to 
the citywide council, which then mandated a return to the old 
prices—which has the farmers disgruntled, but Hakim acknowledged that in 
this revolution, “we have to give to each as he needs.”


It was a phrase I heard many times, even from landowners and merchants 
who might otherwise bristle at the revolution’s egalitarian 
rhetoric—they cannot ignore that many on the front lines come from 
society’s bottom rungs. At one point in March, the citywide council 
enforced price controls on rice and heating oil, undoing, locally, the 
most unpopular economic reforms of the previous decade.


“We have to take from the rich in our village and give to the poor,” 
Matar told me. He had joined the Taftanaz student committee, the council 
that plans protests and distributes propaganda, and before April 3 he 
had helped produce the town’s newspaper, Revolutionary Words. Each week, 
council members laid out the text and photos on old laptops, sneaked the 
files into Turkey for printing, and smuggled the finished bundles back 
into Syria. The newspaper featured everything from frontline reporting 
to disquisitions on revolutionary morality to histories of the French 
Revolution. (“This is not an intellectual’s revolution,” Matar said. 
“This is a popular revolution. We need to give people ideas, theory.”)


Most opposition towns elect a delegate to one of the fifty or so 
district-wide councils across the country. At the next level up is the 
Syrian Revolution General Command, 

[Marxism] Fwd: Everyone wrote off the Syrian army. Take another look now | Voices | The Independent

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Robert Fisk pissing on his own reputation...

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On 10/19/15 12:30 AM, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote:

Allowing transit  is a far different thing than BRINGING the
jihadists to Syria, and Assad's alowing transit was secndary to the
US sponsorship of jihadist networks deriving from the US campaign in
Afghanistan.  Together with Saudi sponsorship.  Assad just played
along.


The point of the article is to show that Assad's opposition to jihadis 
is bullshit. When his cops facilitated their entry into Syria when it 
served his ends, that should have put the kibosh on the idea that he is 
fighting al-Qaeda, etc. The only thing he is fighting are poor Sunnis 
who flocked to the city when rural misery forced an internal migration 
not much different than the one that makes Mexicans come to the USA. If 
you had the slightest familiarity with Syrian society. Like all members 
of the Baathist amen corner, you could care less about such matters.


http://www.merip.org/mer/mer262/syrian-regimes-business-backbone

After Bashar al-Asad succeeded his father in 2000, the architects of 
Syria’s economic policy sought to reverse the downturn by liberalizing 
the economy further, for instance by reducing state subsidies. Private 
banks were permitted for the first time in nearly 40 years and a stock 
market was on the drawing board. After 2005, the state-business bonds 
were strengthened by the announcement of the Social Market Economy, a 
mixture of state and market approaches that ultimately privileged the 
market, but a market without robust institutions or accountability. 
Again, the regime had consolidated its alliance with big business at the 
expense of smaller businesses as well as the Syrian majority who 
depended on the state for services, subsidies and welfare. It had 
perpetuated cronyism, but dressed it in new garb. Families associated 
with the regime in one way or another came to dominate the private 
sector, in addition to exercising considerable control over public 
economic assets. These clans include the Asads and Makhloufs, but also 
the Shalish, al-Hassan, Najib, Hamsho, Hambouba, Shawkat and al-As‘ad 
families, to name a few. The reconstituted business community, which now 
included regime officials, close supporters and a thick sliver of the 
traditional bourgeoisie, effected a deeper (and, for the regime, more 
dangerous) polarization of Syrian society along lines of income and region.


Successive years of scant rainfall and drought after 2003 produced 
massive rural in-migration to the cities -- more than 1 million people 
had moved by 2009 -- widening the social and regional gaps still 
further. Major cities, such as Damascus and Aleppo, absorbed that 
migration more easily than smaller ones, which were increasingly starved 
of infrastructural investment. Provincial cities like Dir‘a, Idlib, Homs 
and Hama, along with their hinterlands, are now the main battlegrounds 
of the rebellion. Those living in rural areas have seen their 
livelihoods gutted by reduction of subsidies, disinvestment and the 
effects of urbanization, as well as decades of corrupt authoritarian 
rule. The Tunisian and Egyptian uprisings motivated them to express 
their discontent openly and together.

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[Marxism] Fwd: Study: Israeli Teenagers Are Violently Racist, & Proud of It

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[Marxism] Fwd: Russia Bombs, ISIS Gains - The Daily Beast

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Luke Staunton commentary on FB:

[Robert] Fisk must really be an addled old fool hankering for a ganzer 
macher [Yiddish for big shot], what a sorry paean this is. The 'Syrian 
Arab Army' has been wracked by desertions, an acute shortage of manpower 
and increasing unrest from Assad's Alawite base as its sons have been 
funnelled into the machine. To speak of the Syrian Army seems strange, 
it is now dependent on the Iranian coordinated 'National Defence Force', 
IRGC Quds forces, Hezbollah, mercenaries from Iraqi Shia militias, 
Afghans, Pakistanis and now Russian intelligence, helicopters, jets and 
cruise missiles (before they were just supplying them).


Despite this they had recently suffered several defeats: losing Idlib 
city, losses in the Hama countryside, the inability to dislodge rebels 
in Zabadani, Kafranboudah and elsewhere, incursions on the coastal 
region and Latakia. This is when Russia became directly involved in 
combat operations. This against the rebels who are numerically greater 
but underequipped (the US has directly blocked shipments of anti-air 
MANPADS to them for years) and have had to contend with not only 
fighting forces allied with the al-Assad regime but also ISIS (see for 
example the rebel offensive in early 2014 that managed to push ISIS out 
of ar-Raqqa and Aleppo before being stretched on multiple fronts and 
without adequate supplies, or more recently in Aleppo where they are 
caught between the regime and ISIS, the latter have been advancing on 
the rebels and ceding territory to the regime in the wake of Russian 
airstrikes).


I'm not sure why Fisk omits some of achievements of the noble Syrian 
Arab Army in this paean: why not laud the levelling of civilian areas, 
the daily barrel bombs, the great breadth of the imprisonment and 
torture networks, the Shabiha, the sieges on the likes of al-Waer or 
Yarmouk?


Its also very roseate to still be talking of a Syrian state: Russian 
intervention looks more like securing its interests and creating a 
buffer for the de-facto partition of Syria. And what a morbid example of 
the sort of binary geopolitical thinking (perhaps consider imperialisms, 
whether US or Russian, are mutually sustaining) to write the paragraph 
below on the day when Russia bombed two of the remaining hospitals in 
Southern Aleppo and killed an entire extended family of 48 people in a 
strike on the Homs countryside:


"The Syrians have found that the Russians do not want to fire at targets 
in built-up areas; they intend to leave burning hospitals and dead 
wedding parties to the Americans in Afghanistan."

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[Marxism] Fwd: The Syrianization of Turkey | The Bullet No. 1175

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Sungur Savran believes that Russia intervened in order to preempt a 
Turkish invasion of Syria, not to prop up a faltering Baathist 
dictatorship. Remarkable, to say the least.


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[Marxism] Fwd: JAMES FRANCO’S DRAMA “THE SOUND AND THE FURY” STARRING HIMSELF, SETH ROGAN, DANNY MCBRIDE & AHNA O’REILLY GETS OCTOBER RELEASE FOR NEW FILMS INTERNATIONAL

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James Franco and Seth Rogan do Faulkner. That does it. Someone fetch me 
a straight razor so I can slash my wrists.



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HIMSELF, SETH ROGAN, DANNY MCBRIDE & AHNA O’REILLY GETS OCTOBER RELEASE
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Date:   Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:19:59 +
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*_FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE_*

*__*

*__*

**

*james franco’s drama “the sound and the fury” starring himself, seth
rogan, danny mcbride & ahna o’reilly gets october release for new films
international*

*__*

*_Film will open theatrically and on VOD October 23^rd _*

*LOS ANGELES (October 19, 2015)*–– New Films International (NFI)
announced today that Academy Award nominee James Franco’s (“127 Hours,”
“This Is the End”) drama “The Sound and the Fury” starring himself, Emmy
Award nominee Seth Rogan (“Steve Jobs,” “Knocked Up”), Danny McBride
(“Pineapple Express,” “Eastbound & Down”) and Ahna O’Reilly (“The Help,”
“Fruitvale Station”) will be released theatrically in 11 markets and on
VOD on October 23^rd with a digital rollout to follow.

*__*

Matt Rager adapted the screenplay from William Faulkner’s novel. “The
Sound and the Fury” is Franco’s second big-screen directorial adaptation
of a William Faulkner novel, following “As I Lay Dying” which premiered
at the Cannes Film Festival.

*__*

“The Sound and the Fury” is a film based on the Nobel Prize winning book
of the same name published in 1929 set in Jefferson, Mississippi. The
novel centers around the Compson Family, former Southern aristocrats who
are struggling to deal with the dissolution of their family and its
reputation. Over the course of thirty years, the family falls into
financial ruin, loses its religious faith and the respect of the town of
Jefferson. Many of them die tragically.

*__*

New Films International president Nesim Hason said, “While most people
recognize James Franco as a talented actor, we are excited to highlight
him as a director with a keen eye for narrative stories. Coupled with
his love of literature, we think “The Sound and the Fury” is a wonderful
addition to the New Film International slate.”

Caroline Aragon of Made In Film-Land, Lee Caplin of Usonian Media Group,
Vince Jolivette of RabbitBandini Productions and Miles Levy produced the
film. Executive producers include Nesim Hason of New Films
International, Straw Weisman of Marquee Productions, Sezin Hason and
Eddie Siman.

*__*

Franco is represented by CAA and Untitled Entertainment; Rogan is
represented by UTA and Principal Entertainment LA; McBride is
represented by CAA; O’Reilly is represented by WME.

*__*

*_About New Films International_*

Founded in 1996 by Nesim Hason and with Hason’s experience in the
business in Europe since 1980, New Films International (NFI) was
established as a full service production, sales and financing company
based in Los Angeles and is actively engaged in the production,
acquisition, and worldwide licensing of theatrical feature films and
television series, and boasts an impressive catalogue featuring hundreds
of high quality titles in all genres.

In response to emerging digital distribution opportunities, NFI has
established direct relationships with each US Cable provider and
pioneered a unique partner program where it provides its catalog of
films available on digital platforms throughout the world.

The company also distributes and produces scripted television series,
such as the internationally successful UNDERCOVER, a 1-Hour Crime Drama
from Bulgaria National Television that launched in April 2013 with Sony
AXN throughout Latin America (as INFILTRADO). The critically acclaimed
Series has sold in over 147 territories around the world. NFI is moving
further into production on TV Series, developing local language scripted
dramas, telenovelas and reality-shows in Eastern Europe and Latin
America as well as setting up shows with U.S. Broadcasters.

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[Marxism] Fwd: The Private Intellectual - The New Yorker

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George Scialabba profile.

http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-private-intellectual
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[Marxism] Fwd: Bringing out the dead in Kansas City | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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[Marxism] God particles, parallel universes? Physics is on the trail.

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[Marxism] New on Redline blog

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Susanne Kemp on Palestine/PFLP News:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/10/20/palestinepflp-news/

Tony Greenstein on A third Intifada?:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/beginning-of-a-third-intifada/

Moshe Machover on Jeff Halper's 'War against the People':
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/10/13/in-review-jeff-halpers-war-against-the-people/

Yassamine Mather on the poisoned fruits of imperialist intervention in the
Middle East:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/syria-iraq-the-poisoned-fruits-of-imperialist-intervention/

Sabena Norten on Zinoviev's book on German social-democracy:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/10/15/marxist-classics-an-appreciation-of-zinovievs-the-war-and-the-crisis-of-socialism/

Tony Norfield on how British imperialist plunder helped Labour create a
welfare state after WW2:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/10/15/the-british-welfare-state-model-something-were-not-told/

Plus a 1980 article by Tony on the end of US dollar supremacy:
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/10/14/the-demise-of-us-dollar-supremacy/
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[Marxism] Henry Kissinger joins the axis of resistance along with Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, Israel, Patrick Cockburn, Robert Fisk, Donald Trump, John WIght, and Mike Whitney

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[Marxism] Australia you’re standing in it part 1: the pulse rate of accumulation

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"Something is going on. Something is changing. There is a shift in the
trajectory that capitalism in Australia is taking. At the recent National
Reform Summit Martin Parkinson, a former head of Treasury remarked that
‘Unless we actually grab this challenge by the horns and really get
concrete about what are the priority issues, we are actually going to find
ourselves sleepwalking into a real mess’(Martin 2015). The metaphor of
Australia sleepwalking towards recession is now resonating in the echo
chamber of the political class and sums up their dual concerns: on the one
hand a decline in the accumulation of capital; and on the other that the
political apparatus and the broader society seems unable to do anything to
change course, perhaps is even aware, and is moving without, or despite of,
conscious control. Australia is slouching towards, or is already sunk in,
political and economic malfunction.

Whilst the political class wants to address these dilemmas and act to save
capitalism from itself we want to understand what is going on so we can
overcome it all. Here I want to grasp the current conjuncture of capitalist
society in Australia: in particular the current malaise of capital
accumulation and the malfunctioning of official politics. What do these
phenomena tell us about the current moment in Australian capitalism and the
possibilities, overt or covert, for a radically different kind of society?

This is part one of a five party study to try to sketch an outline of the
current conjuncture of capitalism in Australia. Part two will focus on
debt, part three the crisis of mainstream politics, part four on the end of
the ‘high credit, high work, high consumption deal’, part five on
gender and social reproduction and part six on the most prominent fault
lines of struggle. But here we will start by posing a hypothesis about
capital accumulation in Australia and also try to take its pulse-rate."

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Re: [Marxism] Forum with Kagarlitsky and Canadian prof

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in contrast, tonight's event with Patrick Bond, foremost BRICS critic:
http://thecommonsbrooklyn.org/civicrm/event/info?reset=1=12962

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> http://www.socialistproject.ca/leftstreamed/ls279.php
>
> Geopolitical conflict produced by NATO expansion is a product of an
> economic and social process taking place in Europe. In fact, it is the
> logic of the neoliberal model that stimulates NATO expansionism. This is
> very similar to what we saw in the late nineteenth century with the new
> wave of colonialism produced by the so-called Late Victorian Depression: to
> stabilize the system without changing it.
>
> The dream of Russian elites is to have good relations with the West. The
> elite's money is in the West, their children are at Oxford and Harvard,
> their property is in Switzerland and England. They are ready to make almost
> any concession that will not destabilize Russia itself. But the West is not
> accepting these offers. Ruling circles in the EU prefer to speak of a
> Russian threat instead of cooperation with Russia. This is all complicating
> the wider geopolitical setting around the Black Sea, in the conflicts in
> Syria and the Middle east and in Russia's relations with China and East
> Asia. These are all crucial issues for understanding the new political
> divisions between west and east shaping global politics.
>
> Moderated by Judy Deutsch. Presentations by:
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> Boris Kagarlitsky is Coordinator of the Transnational Institute Global
> Crisis Project and Director of the Institute of Globalization and Social
> Movements (IGSO) in Moscow. [Also see Kagarlitsky's presentation in April
> 2008.]
> Sergei M. Plekhanov is Associate Professor of Political Science at York
> University and a former Deputy Director of the Institute for U.S. and
> Canadian Studies in Russia.
> Sponsored by: Centre for Social Justice, Socialist Project, Canada
> Research Chair in Comparative Politics - York University.
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[Marxism] Fwd: Stalin portraits emerge in heart of Ukraine's rebel-held territory | World news | The Guardian

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