Re: [Marxism] [UCE] Re: Rhode Island Socialists split from Socialist Alternative
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * "Capitalism creates structured capital and labor markets, and differential standards of living, by ethnicity and nation - and by gender." (sic) sounds good, thanks. However, wouldn't pointing out that "mean White people" will still "fuck things up. Because of their ideas [read their primarily male history of privilege]" will not be ended simply because the material basis behind gender and race oppression had been "exposed"? Indeed, wouldn't it take even more revolutionary struggle that would only begin with the elimination of the capitalist mode of production because "mean White . . . ideas" would still prevail over generations? Isn't this observation at least partially apparent in the struggles with race and gender oppression in revoutionary Cuba? I think the observation of the materialist basis of gender and racial oppression is insufficient a basis to engage in solidarity and struggle with oppressed peoples. We are not "sections" that simply require to be "intersectioned". The whole basis of "intersectionality" itself seems a rather a "mean White" construct to align White progressive sensibilities with "solidarity" with oppressed peoples. If we are in fact one (working) class, why should "we" be conceptualized into sections and reconciled into a framework of "intersectionality"? Such a concept wreaks of that liberal "otherism" idea. I almost (only "almost") prefer somebody to argue we are only one "class" than such a liberal "Marxist" framework delimiting women and other oppressed peoples as "sections" of th working class. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [UCE] Re: Rhode Island Socialists split from Socialist Alternative
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Capitalism creates structured capital and labor markets, and differential standards of living, by ethnicity and nation - and by gender. Once formed, they have material consequences, and they evolve through oppression and struggle - over ideas, but even more so against the structures nourishing such crimes. As I've said in my Facebook notes on intersectionality, national and gender-based oppression on and off the job won't be eliminated without destruction of the laws of motion of capitalism, and the fragmented and discriminatory family and neighborhood structures which buttress those laws - a destruction which must involve conscious assaults against national and gender oppression. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] [UCE] Re: Rhode Island Socialists split from Socialist Alternative
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * "and explicitly state that when all is said and done, when class is exposed or eliminated, mean white people will still fuck things up - because of their ideas." Yes, Andrew. And, your problem with that point is? _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
