Re: [Matplotlib-users] installing numpy, matplotlib, scipy from source on a Mac
belinda thom wrote: reports no differences. So, I went back and retried the plotting w/wx as a backend and discovered that wx FAILS with PYTHONW and PYTHON (appended). That's what I expected. If you saw how many notes I've collected on the different installs I've tried you'd laugh (except that its not funny). no, it's not -- but good for you for keeping notes! 3) Using Robert's install-from-source method (this install used gfortran.bin.tar.gz, with the caveat that the expected WXAgg doesn't work) I do think I know what the problem is there. self.bitmap = _convert_agg_to_wx_bitmap(self.get_renderer(), None) MemoryError: _wxagg.convert_agg_to_wx_bitmap(): could not create the wx.Bitmap the current, default, wxAgg back end uses some C++ code to efficiently create wxBitmaps from the Agg buffer. since it's at the C++ level, MPL needs to be compiled against the version of wx you want to use. The MPL build system uses a nifty utility that comes with wx called wx-config to find the wx libs. However, Apple delivered an old version of wxPython with it's Python2.3. By default, the MPL build find the old wx-config, and you end up building the wxAgg back-end against that version of wx, which is not the one you want. Try this: $ wx-config --version I get 2.5.3 -- the version delivered by Apple. now this: $ which wx-config /usr/bin/wx-config It's in /usr/bin -- where apple puts stuff. $ locate wx-config I have a bunch -- these are a few: /usr/bin/wx-config /usr/local/lib/wxPython-unicode-2.6.3.3/bin/wx-config /usr/local/lib/wxPython-unicode-2.8.0.1/bin/wx-config The first is Apples. The second is the 2.6 version I have installed with Python2.4 The third is the 2.8 version I have installed with Python2.5 Pick the one you want to build with, then set an environment variable to point to it: WX_CONFIG=/usr/local/lib/wxPython-unicode-2.8.0.1/bin/wx-config then run: setup.py build. If you look in setupext.py, you'll see a function: find_wx_config() Now that I look at it, it should be able to be beefed up to look for a wx-config that matches the default wxPython installed in the Python that you're running setup.py with. Maybe I'll do that the next time I build. Come to think of it, if I just sat down and did all this it would probably take less time than writing all these helpful messages to the newsgroups! -Chris PS: I have not tested this recently, but it all should work! PPS: Belinda, now that you've done all this work, I do hope you can go the extra mile and figure out how to make a binary package of it all for others! -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/ORR(206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] installing numpy, matplotlib, scipy from source on a Mac
Christopher Barker wrote: The MPL build system uses a nifty utility that comes with wx called wx-config to find the wx libs. However, Apple delivered an old version of wxPython with it's Python2.3. By default, the MPL build find the old wx-config, and you end up building the wxAgg back-end against that version of wx, which is not the one you want. Try this: Yes, thank you for figuring that out! That's the part that I forgot about. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] installing numpy, matplotlib, scipy from source on a Mac
PPS: Belinda, now that you've done all this work, I do hope you can go the extra mile and figure out how to make a binary package of it all for others! I certainly would like to to do this, but its gonna have to wait until after TheCurrentCrisis alleviates. Hopefully before Feb (in the worst case, mid-June), as I too am annoyed at how hard this seemed to be for the Mac. I also find it disconcerting that Vincent had different troubles than I w/the same source instructions (did they ever get resolved)? As had Erin. At the same time, until about May I'll have access to both Intel and PPC Macs, so I have an ideal env. on which to test. I have only a vague idea how to make dmgs (have perused the incomprehensible hdutils man page), though, so may need some help. At the same time, I'm not qualified to fix the Vincent/Erin problems and have no idea how to go about making universals that work for everyone. In fact, these current threads lead me to wonder if it can actually be done (the sad alternative is this: anyone w/a Mac that wants to use the matscinum suite [defined below], unless you have piles of time to waste, stick w/matlab provided you can afford it). W/all this talk about numpy integrating w/python (via a PEP), it seems the best customers for such a move would be a unified matscinum community. Right now that community (at least on the Mac) is accessible to the uber-gang only (of which I barely pass the bar, but since I've gotten SOMETHING working, w/much online help, I feel I've earned the right to include myself). I should mention a friend of mine who knows a lot more about sys stuff than I do had a heck of a time getting all this running on Linux---the entire package: matplotlib, numpy, scipy---lets call it the matscinum suite. In fact, it really seems this integration/ installation issue should be addressed across these 3 respective mailing lists, for if one doesn't work, the others become unusable for on non-trivial number of people (Perhaps there should be a list that is a combo of these three?) FWIW, this is just hot off the macpython sig list: - Is it that hard to make a binary to put up (OK, two - one for PPC, one for Intel), once you've gotten it all built? At least a few people have gotten it going recently. Could someone please make them available? How about posting them on your own Web site then? If you don't have one, the price of commodity Web hosting is virtually zero, and there are plenty of free open source project hosting services around, some of them even good. It's been repeatedly stated on this mailing list that the currently pythonmac.org maintainer doesn't have time, and would be happy to relinquish control to someone who did. But nobody's volunteered. It is really rather tiresome to read about people asking for someone to do something when everyone's doing this work for free. - I agree with the sentiments but also recognize that the documentation at scipy (where most of this stuff is loaded) is inaccurate, e.g. the superpak doesn't work. Well, that's it for now. I'll try your wx rec's as soon as I find the time (likely next week). Gotta run and thanks for all the help, --b - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] installing numpy, matplotlib, scipy from source on a Mac
I am posting this message to both numpy and matplotlib mailing lists because the thread relates to both. First, Robert Kern kindly provided step-by-step instructions for Macs (PPCs and Intels) regarding how to install FROM SOURCE the packages needed to allow Python to become a viable alternative for Matlab. Details regarding the installation of matplotlib (along with wx, which is supposed to allow the WxAgg backend to work), numpy, and scipy were provided. The reason for installing FROM SOURCE on a Mac is because various packages need to be compiled in such a way that they rely on the same underling shared libraries, etc. for things to work (I've described some problems w/installing from numpy, scipy, and matplotlib dmgs at http://www.mail-archive.com/ numpy-discussion at scipy.org/ msg00481.html). From these instructions, I've been able to acheive numpy.test() anad scipy.test() that run w/no failures -- hooray! However, after installing wx and matplotlib, various problems result: 1) warnings about fonts 2) wx fails to work I've appended the warnings below. These only occur the first time pylab is imported (does this make sense?). After that, I've appended the issues I've had when trying to use wx as a backend. One reason I'd like to be able to use wx is that it appears with TkAgg, running IDLE (w/the -n flag) can hang (see: http://www.mail-archive.com/matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net/ msg02039.html). Point that originally confused me: although wx is needed for the WxAgg backend, you don't need to install the analogous Tk package to use TkAgg PROVIDED you're using MacPython, for that comes bundled w/ an Aqua-based Tk interface. I'm on a G4 PPC, w/OS X 10.4.8, and using MacPython 2.4. Any idea what wx doesn't work? Thanks, --b ONE-TIME WARNINGS: Python 2.4.4 (#1, Oct 18 2006, 10:34:39) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5341)] on darwin Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. history mechanism set up import pylab as P /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/python2.4/site- packages/matplotlib/font_manager.py:455: UserWarning: Could not open font file /Library/Fonts/NISC18030.ttf warnings.warn(Could not open font file %s%fpath) snip /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/python2.4/site- packages/matplotlib/font_manager.py:455: UserWarning: Could not open font file /System/Library/Fonts/TimesLTMM warnings.warn(Could not open font file %s%fpath) WX / MATPLOTLIB FAILURE -- 4 % python Python 2.4.4 (#1, Oct 18 2006, 10:34:39) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5341)] on darwin Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. history mechanism set up import matplotlib as M import pylab as P M.rcParams['interactive'] True M.rcParams['backend'] 'WXAgg' P.plot([1,2,3]) Traceback (most recent call last): File /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/ python2.4/site-packages/matplotlib/backends/backend_wx.py, line 1048, in _onPaint self.draw(repaint=False) snip figManager.canvas.draw() File /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/ python2.4/site-packages/matplotlib/backends/backend_wxagg.py, line 63, in draw self.bitmap = _convert_agg_to_wx_bitmap(self.get_renderer(), None) MemoryError: _wxagg.convert_agg_to_wx_bitmap(): could not create the wx.Bitmap - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] installing numpy, matplotlib, scipy from source on a Mac
belinda thom wrote: I am posting this message to both numpy and matplotlib mailing lists because the thread relates to both. Actually, it's really only relevant to matplotlib. However, after installing wx and matplotlib, various problems result: 1) warnings about fonts 2) wx fails to work I've appended the warnings below. These only occur the first time pylab is imported (does this make sense?). Yes. After the first time, a cache is built and the font manager doesn't go trawling through your fonts again. matplotlib's font library cannot parse some of the Mac fonts (damned resource forks), so it warns you. Personally, I think the warnings are a bit overzealous and should be silenced. It's not as if the user is explicitly telling the font manager to load those specific fonts. They are automatically and unavoidably attempted. WX / MATPLOTLIB FAILURE -- 4 % python Try running with pythonw. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] installing numpy, matplotlib, scipy from source on a Mac
John Hunter wrote: Robert == Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert Personally, I think the warnings are a bit overzealous and Robert should be silenced. It's not as if the user is explicitly Robert telling the font manager to load those specific Robert fonts. They are automatically and unavoidably attempted. I just modified the font manager to move this reporting into the verbose handler, so now they will only show up with verbose helpful or greater. And there was much rejoicing! -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] installing numpy, matplotlib, scipy from source on a Mac
belinda thom wrote: Robert, Try running with pythonw. Do you know how to fix this in IDLE (it must be using python as opposed to pythonw somehow). I'm afraid that I don't know enough about IDLE to help you. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] installing numpy, matplotlib, scipy from source on a Mac
Robert Kern wrote: Try running with pythonw. That's probably not it -- as of MacPython 2.4, pythonw ands python are the same. belinda thom wrote: And running w/pythonw does what it should :-). OK, now I'm confused: $ ls -l /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin/python2.4 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root admin 39936 Apr 7 2006 /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin/python2.4 $ ls -l /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin/pythonw2.4 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root admin 39936 Apr 7 2006 /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin/pythonw2.4 Those two look like the same binaries to me -- and diff tells me they are. Are you sure you're running the same python with python and pythonw? Try running them on the command line alone and see what you get. File /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/ python2.4/site-packages/matplotlib/backends/backend_wxagg.py, line 63, in draw self.bitmap = _convert_agg_to_wx_bitmap(self.get_renderer(), None) MemoryError: _wxagg.convert_agg_to_wx_bitmap(): could not create the wx.Bitmap This looks like the error we usually get when you've built the wxAgg extension against a different version of wx than the one you're running. That's easy to do, as Apple has provided an old wx with it's Python, it is often found by default by the MPL build process. Search this list for the way to fix that, or, if you really can't find it, I'll dig it up. -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/ORR(206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] installing numpy, matplotlib, scipy from source on a Mac
belinda thom wrote: I went back and retried the plotting w/wx as a backend and discovered that wx FAILS with PYTHONW and PYTHON (appended). Okay, what version of wxPython did you install? What version of wxPython is actually imported (check wx.__version__)? (And we can leave off numpy-discussion, it's not relevant there). -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
Re: [Matplotlib-users] installing numpy, matplotlib, scipy from source on a Mac
belinda thom wrote: Hi, On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:56 PM, Robert Kern wrote: belinda thom wrote: I went back and retried the plotting w/wx as a backend and discovered that wx FAILS with PYTHONW and PYTHON (appended). Okay, what version of wxPython did you install? What version of wxPython is actually imported (check wx.__version__)? Python 2.4.4 (#1, Oct 18 2006, 10:34:39) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5341)] on darwin Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. history mechanism set up import wx wx.__version__ '2.6.3.3' Okay, let me rephrase: which binary package of wxPython did you install? -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Matplotlib-users mailing list Matplotlib-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/matplotlib-users
