Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
There for a moment I thought Marshall had hacked Hurst's email account. Scary thought -- Cartman is the victim of identity theft and Mr. Garrison (minus the sex change stuff) is the perpetrator. D. On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your analysis is spot on here as far as i can see. -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating.
Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill (was Block Heater)
I was about to say that Marshall settled this for me last winter, but I see that he has settled it again in 2006. But I do challenge him on one point -- given sufficiently low temps (not seen normally seen in PA but commonly seen in northwest IA) wind chill continues to matter, because it determines how damn'd cold you feel while jump-starting your diesel after it has sat outside your workplace for nine hours. (We are talking sub-ZeroF temps here.) On 12/7/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mercedes has stated that it takes about 8 hours on average for the car to reach temperature equilibrium (and I agree that's about right) with the ambient temperature. On a windy night it takes less time and in a well sheltered area a bit longer. Once at equilibrium, wind makes no further contribution. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating.
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
i'm just pissed off i don't get paid for it i'm as much a freak and cripple as the next guy. where MY money?? On 12/7/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your analysis is spot on here as far as i can see. is there such a thing as a canadien intelligence service for you to sign up with or are you just forever stuck giving out welfare checks to drug addicts and the malformed? WHAT?? Hursty is dissing his malformed brethren? Jeff Zedic Toronto Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) check it out ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
I would've thought yu made enough by being the model for Pizza the Hut in Spaceballs guess Mel Brooks is cutting corners again to save money? Jeff Zedic Soon to be leaving Toronto
Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill (was Block Heater)
LT Don wrote: I was about to say that Marshall settled this for me last winter, but I see that he has settled it again in 2006. But I do challenge him on one point -- given sufficiently low temps (not seen normally seen in PA but commonly seen in northwest IA) wind chill continues to matter, because it determines how damn'd cold you feel while jump-starting your diesel after it has sat outside your workplace for nine hours. (We are talking sub-ZeroF temps here.) Can't dispute that! I've spent a morning or two at 20 below (F) starting a wife's diesel that had sat outside in a hospital parking lot all night! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
y'know, after taxes and paying my agent and the ex wife, it just doesn't go very far! On 12/7/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would've thought yu made enough by being the model for Pizza the Hut in Spaceballs guess Mel Brooks is cutting corners again to save money? Jeff Zedic Soon to be leaving Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
You have an agent? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: y'know, after taxes and paying my agent and the ex wife, it just doesn't go very far! On 12/7/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would've thought yu made enough by being the model for Pizza the Hut in Spaceballs guess Mel Brooks is cutting corners again to save money? Jeff Zedic Soon to be leaving Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating.
Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill (was Block Heater)
My '83 VW Quantum diesel kicked right over (Mobil-1 15-W-50) at lunch time in +1F, after being driven two blocks from the garage at 7:30 am and then sitting until noon. Two quick hits of the glow plugs and pulled the cold start handle (have no idea what that does, but it works). I think my 240D will be a Garage Queen during the salt season. On 12/7/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don wrote: I was about to say that Marshall settled this for me last winter, but I see that he has settled it again in 2006. But I do challenge him on one point -- given sufficiently low temps (not seen normally seen in PA but commonly seen in northwest IA) wind chill continues to matter, because it determines how damn'd cold you feel while jump-starting your diesel after it has sat outside your workplace for nine hours. (We are talking sub-ZeroF temps here.) Can't dispute that! I've spent a morning or two at 20 below (F) starting a wife's diesel that had sat outside in a hospital parking lot all night! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating.
Re: [MBZ] 1993 400SEL
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Thanks Sunil-
Are these problems related to high mileage? Also this one is a southern
rust free beauty.
Dwight
A southern car is more likely to have wiring harness and evaporator
() problems. Then there are the suspension/shimmy problems that
resulted in the class action suite with the early ('92-'94?) W140s.
Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
well, yeah, you can't be in the movies without an agent. dope! On 12/7/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have an agent? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: y'know, after taxes and paying my agent and the ex wife, it just doesn't go very far! On 12/7/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would've thought yu made enough by being the model for Pizza the Hut in Spaceballs guess Mel Brooks is cutting corners again to save money? Jeff Zedic Soon to be leaving Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
Have you filed a claim for SSDI or SSI? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm just pissed off i don't get paid for it i'm as much a freak and cripple as the next guy. where MY money?? On 12/7/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your analysis is spot on here as far as i can see. is there such a thing as a canadien intelligence service for you to sign up with or are you just forever stuck giving out welfare checks to drug addicts and the malformed? WHAT?? Hursty is dissing his malformed brethren? Jeff Zedic Toronto Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) check it out ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating.
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
Dope? I'm the dope here? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, yeah, you can't be in the movies without an agent. dope! On 12/7/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have an agent? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: y'know, after taxes and paying my agent and the ex wife, it just doesn't go very far! On 12/7/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would've thought yu made enough by being the model for Pizza the Hut in Spaceballs guess Mel Brooks is cutting corners again to save money? Jeff Zedic Soon to be leaving Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating.
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
HAHAHAHAHAHA, thats what I thought too. Michael Hall wrote: On 12/7/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he is quite an authority on Iacocca-ero Mopars and vintage Volvos. Iacocca-era Mopars? Like the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon, or the K-Car's? Am I missing something - who would WANT to be an expert on those? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, (2x) 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Update Re: Red dash light for Battery is staying on
I cannot see how a bad diode/Rectifier, loose belt, bad fuse etc can keep the light on as you describe. A bad diode can. The circuit has already been adequately described, perhaps a bad ASCII schematic? D1 D7Winding A D2 D8Winding B Terminal D D3 D9Winding C /--+--||-+-()()()()---+ | S1 | /--||/ | /+--o--o--+--+ +--||-+-()()()()---+ | | | | |--||/ | === | | \--||-+-()()()()---+ ==+-|Lamp|--+-||/ === Bat. |Misc.| | Terminal B = |Loads|= === =|Volt.| Field = | | Reg.|BR--()()()()---\ | | = | \--+-+--- BR-/ | Rest of Car -- | --- Inside alternator | Not shown are D4, D5, and D6, the other three heavy diodes that complete the three-phase rectifier system. (They don't matter for the purposes of this discussion, and it was hard enough to draw the above and try to make it clear.) Normally, when everything is working right, battery current runs through S1, the ignition switch, and powers various loads (ABS, radio, SRS, ACC...), as well as running through the lamp to the voltage regulator, thence through the brushes to the field winding and to ground. The lamp is lit by this field current. No current goes through any of the diodes. Once the alternator is spinning, its generated current runs through D1-D3 (and virtual ground is supplied through the not shown D4-D6) to charge the battery. The voltage regulator monitors this voltage, and is powered by it too, through D7-D9, resulting in a net zero voltage across the lamp which remains dark. Now, if any of D1-D3 are shorted, even when the key is off battery current will flow through the offender, through the windings and through D7-D9, to the voltage regulator which will power the field winding, _and_ through the lamp to the other normally-switched loads. There is obviously, in your case, enough current to light the lamp. It only takes something like 100m-200mA to light the thing. It's the alternator field winding that sucked the battery dry so quickly. All clear? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Update: help w/ 84 300sd
my list, my next one is the steering shock. How do i replace this, Trivial. Jack up car, remove two bolts holding in shock, and replace. They don't really get any easier than that job. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Update Re: Red dash light for Battery is staying on
perhaps a bad ASCII schematic? Wow, the word-wrap really hammered that! Correction is left as an exercise for the reader... As a hint, the three ()()()() windings are all the way out at the right. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
yeah, you're a government worker or something. tell me how i get this stuff? On 12/7/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you filed a claim for SSDI or SSI? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm just pissed off i don't get paid for it i'm as much a freak and cripple as the next guy. where MY money?? On 12/7/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your analysis is spot on here as far as i can see. is there such a thing as a canadien intelligence service for you to sign up with or are you just forever stuck giving out welfare checks to drug addicts and the malformed? WHAT?? Hursty is dissing his malformed brethren? Jeff Zedic Toronto Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) check it out ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill (was Block Heater)
That's what you silly folk get for living where it gets so damn cold. Down here, we hardly EVERY see temps below zero! And wind? Nah, too many trees for that! :) On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:47:22 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don wrote: I was about to say that Marshall settled this for me last winter, but I see that he has settled it again in 2006. But I do challenge him on one point -- given sufficiently low temps (not seen normally seen in PA but commonly seen in northwest IA) wind chill continues to matter, because it determines how damn'd cold you feel while jump-starting your diesel after it has sat outside your workplace for nine hours. (We are talking sub-ZeroF temps here.) Can't dispute that! I've spent a morning or two at 20 below (F) starting a wife's diesel that had sat outside in a hospital parking lot all night! Marshall -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] burning fader switch
Turn off the transmitter, or at least un-plug the amp! Are you using the speaker wires for the transmission line??? ;-) On 12/6/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently my CD's fader switch has started getting VERY hot to the touch, even to the point that I can smell it. Anyone else ever experienced this before? Guess I'm gonna have to pull the console up and check wiring for shorts. I already swapped the fader switch with a spare. Grrr. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] burning fader switch
haha, not in this car. It's x-cieverless. On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:52:43 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turn off the transmitter, or at least un-plug the amp! Are you using the speaker wires for the transmission line??? ;-) On 12/6/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently my CD's fader switch has started getting VERY hot to the touch, even to the point that I can smell it. Anyone else ever experienced this before? Guess I'm gonna have to pull the console up and check wiring for shorts. I already swapped the fader switch with a spare. Grrr. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] burning fader switch
A - so it's a LACK of RF in the cabin! Too much, too little - doesn't work either way! On 12/7/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: haha, not in this car. It's x-cieverless. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
My brother-in-law told his coworkers that his parole officer, who visited him frequently at work, was his agent. Is your agent like that? Bob R - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern well, yeah, you can't be in the movies without an agent. dope! On 12/7/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have an agent? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: y'know, after taxes and paying my agent and the ex wife, it just doesn't go very far! On 12/7/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would've thought yu made enough by being the model for Pizza the Hut in Spaceballs guess Mel Brooks is cutting corners again to save money? Jeff Zedic Soon to be leaving Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Most men want to spend time in the garage. As for me, I'd much rather be in the kitchen -- cooking, not eating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Flex disc failure pictorial]
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:49:14 -0500 Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Did this make it to any of the mailing lists yet? Pretty eye-opening stuff. The fact that it set off the airbags at 60mph is a little sobering. Anyway... http://www.dieselgiant.com/Mercedes%20flex%20disc%20failure.htm When I do the subframe rebuild on my 1987 300D this winter (hopefully), I'm going to replace both flex discs as a proactive measure, even if they appear OK. They are at least 10 years old, as that's how long I've owner the car, and I've never replaced them. I'm also going to look reeeaaal close at my other cars discs...! That's the second documented flex disc failure I've seen in the last year showing it wiping out the transmission mount and tearing up lots more as well. I have had flex discs fail, but well before they they started to disintegrate, they made noise and vibrated. Still, any rubber part more than 15 years old can fly apart without ANY warning. I have 19+ year old flex discs on the three cars I still run.. Don't they have the centering hub like the driveshafts on the W123? These should keep the shaft center even if the flex disk disintegrates, shouldn't they? Craig
Re: [MBZ] 1987 300D 115K miles $3500 in Portland
Apparently that car exists in two places at once...it's a miracle What a friend we have in cheeses!! http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/245041508.html http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/car/245072178.html Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] OT: Big Brother is Nearby
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:10:19 -0500 Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry - you are correct that there is an immense difference between qualifying for the PRIVILEGE of driving in Europe versus the RIGHT to drive in the USA. When I took driver's training in California in '65, they emphasized that it was a privilege and not a right. Craig
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Flex disc failure pictorial]
does the flex disk exist on all W126 models, regardless of D or E ? thanks, Zeb On 07/12/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:49:14 -0500 Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Did this make it to any of the mailing lists yet? Pretty eye-opening stuff. The fact that it set off the airbags at 60mph is a little sobering. Anyway... http://www.dieselgiant.com/Mercedes%20flex%20disc%20failure.htm When I do the subframe rebuild on my 1987 300D this winter (hopefully), I'm going to replace both flex discs as a proactive measure, even if they appear OK. They are at least 10 years old, as that's how long I've owner the car, and I've never replaced them. I'm also going to look reeeaaal close at my other cars discs...! That's the second documented flex disc failure I've seen in the last year showing it wiping out the transmission mount and tearing up lots more as well. I have had flex discs fail, but well before they they started to disintegrate, they made noise and vibrated. Still, any rubber part more than 15 years old can fly apart without ANY warning. I have 19+ year old flex discs on the three cars I still run.. Don't they have the centering hub like the driveshafts on the W123? These should keep the shaft center even if the flex disk disintegrates, shouldn't they? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Update: help w/ 84 300sd/steering damper
In a message dated 12/7/2006 8:18:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: my list, my next one is the steering shock. How do i replace this, Trivial. Jack up car, remove two bolts holding in shock, and replace. They don't really get any easier than that job. -- Jim Also, did you notice that Jim C didn't quote the whole digest when he replied to your question about the steering damper? it got pretty confusing to follow your email. Just highlight the area you want to quote and hit reply. don't forget to change subject line as necessary. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Flex disc failure pictorial]
There is a flex disk front and rear on every MB made since the 50's, at least -- they replace the u-joints found in these locations on american cars (and some others) because MB drivetrains don't move very much in comparison -- after 1968, the diff is bolted to the rear subframe, so driveline deflection is minimal. The gasser disks on some of the newer cars are different than the diesel ones, they are softer and fail sooner. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
on 12/7/06 5:59 PM, Michael Hall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he is quite an authority on Iacocca-ero Mopars and vintage Volvos. Iacocca-era Mopars? Like the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon, or the K-Car's? Am I missing something - who would WANT to be an expert on those? Google Dodge Spirit R/T. Relatively unknown Taurus SHO killer, made only for two years and in small numbers. Special turbocharger setup and reworked head by Lotus, suspension by Carroll Shelby. Velly nice kah. Okay, that's the high-end supermarket ice cream store flavour. Stern has the Ben Jerry's one, an actual Mexican Highway Patrol version that was way beyond the R/T. The cops loved them better than anything before or since. Rare as geese in Nevada. Maybe only two or three in the U.S. (technically not legal). If that bores you, Google the videos of slightly massaged Plymouth Voyager Turbos beating everything else into the ground at drag strips. Though Chrysler turned out some pretty sad stuff back then, there were small glimmers of hope here and there. Actually I currently own a '94 Dodge Grand Caravan beater that I acquired for the princely sum of $300 and whose virtues I will defend against all who want to step up to the plate. For what it is, I think it's PDG. Mac Closet Mopar Guy since the 1970s (loved them Gran Furys)
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
I'm perfectly willing to cede that territory to you. You've earned it. Poor sod On 12/7/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I currently own a '94 Dodge Grand Caravan beater that I acquired for the princely sum of $300 and whose virtues I will defend against all who want to step up to the plate. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
On 12/8/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/7/06 5:59 PM, Michael Hall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he is quite an authority on Iacocca-ero Mopars and vintage Volvos. Iacocca-era Mopars? Like the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon, or the K-Car's? Am I missing something - who would WANT to be an expert on those? Google Dodge Spirit R/T. Again, who would want to be an authority on Dodge Sprints, turbo or not? Relatively unknown Taurus SHO killer, made only for two years and in small numbers. Special turbocharger setup and reworked head by Lotus, suspension by Carroll Shelby. Velly nice kah. Okay, that's the high-end supermarket ice cream store flavour. Stern has the Ben Jerry's one, an actual Mexican Highway Patrol version that was way beyond the R/T. The cops loved them better than anything before or since. Rare as geese in Nevada. Maybe only two or three in the U.S. (technically not legal). No way - not a REAL MEXICAN HIGHWAY PATROL CAR! If that bores you, Google the videos of slightly massaged Plymouth Voyager Turbos beating everything else into the ground at drag strips. Yawn, still bored of 80's Chrysler products. Though Chrysler turned out some pretty sad stuff back then, there were small glimmers of hope here and there. Actually I currently own a '94 Dodge Grand Caravan beater that I acquired for the princely sum of $300 and whose virtues I will defend against all who want to step up to the plate. For what it is, I think it's PDG. Congrats - I bet the women go crazy when you pull into the daycare and you can fit 6 car seats. I can argue the merits of my 300CD all day too, but at the end of the day, its just a solid old car. Mac Closet Mopar Guy since the 1970s (loved them Gran Furys) Nothing against Mopar or Chrysler, but the 80's were sad - might have been profitable, but I mean, come on... Mike
Re: [MBZ] Good feelings
Ernest, Sounds like you have never driven in heavy LA traffic at 70 mph with motorcycles legally driving in between cars with clapped out old Impalas darting in and out of lanes at 85 plus. Of course it is our responsibility, but it isn't as simple as you make it out to be. On 12/7/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as someone who grew up and is still routinely in heavy mixed traffic and/or on motorcycles, i find it not only simple, but my responsibility (to both myself and others) to always know what's going on around me. were that to change, it would be time to turn in the Drivers License. i love our good classic equipment, but believe Good Feelings come as much or more from Situational Awareness and the ability to *prevent* issues as they do from successfully surviving them. cheers! e David Brodbeck wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: you should already *know* whether or not there's someone in your blind spot; when it becomes time for an Emergency Avoidance maneuver, it's far too late to start figuring out what's going on around you. Ideally, yes, but in heavy mixed freeway traffic it's not always possible. Every moment you spend checking over your shoulder is a moment when you're not paying attention to what's going on up ahead. And those motorcycles can be devilishly hard to see when they're cozied up next to your rear fenders. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
Actually I currently own a '94 Dodge Grand Caravan beater that I acquired for the princely sum of $300 and whose virtues I will defend against all who want to step up to the plate. For what it is, I think it's PDG. Is it three times the car as my Frankenheap? I don't think so. :-) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Good feelings
hi John! not sure what might have given you that idea; actually, SoCal's where i grew up, and first learned to drive on the road. ;-) now i'm in the SF Bay Area, and frankly, it's no better here (especially in the East Bay). AAMOF, speaking as someone who spends highway time all over this state (and others), the average level of drivers vehicle handling skill seems to be better in SoCal. (note that i didn't say they drove better; just that they're better at handling the vehicle.) perhaps it's because i grew up in the SoCal environment, and when you learn in the middle of the Acid Test, everything else seems easier by comparison. perhaps it's because i've been playing and commuting for decades on 2 wheels, where the consequences of mishaps are less likely to be Fender Benders than Body Benders. perhaps it's my experience driving things that are bigger than the average minivan, or maybe it's motor vehicle training that started off-road years before i was old enough to get my first license. i truly don't think my racing experience has much factor in it as that only helped me learn more about how to handle the vehicle. maybe it's just my European heritage and experiences there that makes the average motorist in most of our fair country seem immensely unqualified to be sharing a highway with the rest of the General Public. i didn't say it was easy, but i don't personally find it particularly or unreasonably difficult to stay aware of what's going on around me on the road; it's my primary duty when i'm at the controls. it's accepted as a matter of fact in other countries that take a Drivers License more seriously than California apparently does; being aware of what's going on around you isn't an unreasonable expectation of someone operating a vehicle that likely weighs multiple tons, and is required for driving responsibly. cheers! e John Freer wrote: Ernest, Sounds like you have never driven in heavy LA traffic at 70 mph with motorcycles legally driving in between cars with clapped out old Impalas darting in and out of lanes at 85 plus. Of course it is our responsibility, but it isn't as simple as you make it out to be. On 12/7/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as someone who grew up and is still routinely in heavy mixed traffic and/or on motorcycles, i find it not only simple, but my responsibility (to both myself and others) to always know what's going on around me. were that to change, it would be time to turn in the Drivers License. i love our good classic equipment, but believe Good Feelings come as much or more from Situational Awareness and the ability to *prevent* issues as they do from successfully surviving them. cheers! e David Brodbeck wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: you should already *know* whether or not there's someone in your blind spot; when it becomes time for an Emergency Avoidance maneuver, it's far too late to start figuring out what's going on around you. Ideally, yes, but in heavy mixed freeway traffic it's not always possible. Every moment you spend checking over your shoulder is a moment when you're not paying attention to what's going on up ahead. And those motorcycles can be devilishly hard to see when they're cozied up next to your rear fenders.
Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill (was Block Heater)
Yeah, it was fun this morning at a balmy 5F with a windchill of probably around -10F or less. It was quite windy. Yeah, my battery is definitely toast. What amazed me was just how slow the engine can crank and still start. my brother just swapped out his like 4 year old Subaru battery (I'm guessing like 350CCA's, maybe it's more) so I used the jumper cables to add some capacity to the Benz battery (cause the 100amp jump start function on the charger wouldn't budge it) Oh, and I did leave the block heater plugged in all night. I'm gonna have to check it with my kill-a-watt cause it didn't seem like any difference this morning, it was a good 15 minutes or so before I saw any movement on the temp gauge. ANYWAY... With that little Suby battery jumpered in (after I took the jumper cables out to the shop and used the brush on the grinder wheel to clean the rust off as I couldn't get them to connect at ALL prior to that) It woud at least turn the engine over, but I can't imagine it was anything more than 100RPM. But I let it try a few times just for kicks. I'll be darned if about 5 seconds in it started to sputter and within around 10 seconds was actually running! Hopefully it will be a bit warmer at lunch time when I head home and that Sube battery will get me to life again and then I can figure out what I'm doing battery -wise. Do you have to take the air cleaner off to change the battery? Levi On 12/7/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don wrote: I was about to say that Marshall settled this for me last winter, but I see that he has settled it again in 2006. But I do challenge him on one point -- given sufficiently low temps (not seen normally seen in PA but commonly seen in northwest IA) wind chill continues to matter, because it determines how damn'd cold you feel while jump-starting your diesel after it has sat outside your workplace for nine hours. (We are talking sub-ZeroF temps here.) Can't dispute that! I've spent a morning or two at 20 below (F) starting a wife's diesel that had sat outside in a hospital parking lot all night! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Good feelings
California, leading the world in evolutionary behavior! --R John Freer wrote: Sounds like you have never driven in heavy LA traffic at 70 mph with motorcycles legally driving in between cars with clapped out old Impalas darting in and out of lanes at 85 plus.
[MBZ] Holy Grail
It's the holy grail of mercedes diesels (1987 300TD): http://austin.craigslist.org/car/245574582.html -- Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320
Re: [MBZ] Holy Grail
on 12/8/06 9:32 AM, Gary Thompson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the holy grail of mercedes diesels (1987 300TD): http://austin.craigslist.org/car/245574582.html Why is it that dealers add about $2k onto the asking price when they say it was owned by an attourney (sic) or doktor? In my experience, both groups are among the worst for spending a dime on cars, though admittedly physicians are way out in front. Mac
Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill (was Block Heater)
charger wouldn't budge it) Oh, and I did leave the block heater plugged in all night. I'm gonna have to check it with my kill-a-watt cause it didn't seem like any difference this morning, it was a good 15 minutes or so before I saw any movement on the temp gauge. If it's working, and it's quiet out, you can hear the gentle sizzle. Do you have to take the air cleaner off to change the battery? Not on my cars. But there are a lot of differences in that area. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Red dash light for Battery is staying on
OK, I'll try to trim it down a bit once... A bad diode can. The circuit has already been adequately described, perhaps a bad ASCII schematic? D1 D7Winding A D2 D8Winding B Terminal D D3 D9Winding C /--+--||-+-()()()()--\ | S1 | /--||/| /+--o--o---+-+ +--||-+-()()()()--+ | | | | |--||/| === | | \--||-+-()()()()--/ = = +-|Lamp|--+-||/ === Bat. |Misc.| | Terminal B =|Loads| = ==== |Volt.| Field = | | Reg.|BR--()()()()--\ | | = | | || | \---++---BR/ | Rest of Car -- | -- Inside alternator | Not shown are D4, D5, and D6, the other three heavy diodes that complete the three-phase rectifier system. (They don't matter for the purposes of this discussion, and it was hard enough to draw the above and try to make it clear.) Notice particularly that the connection between the battery and alternator is unswitched. (It is also unfused, but this simplified schematic doesn't show fuses anyway.) Normally, when everything is working right, battery current runs through S1, the ignition switch, and powers various loads (ABS, radio, SRS, ACC...), as well as running through the lamp to the voltage regulator, thence through the brushes to the field winding and to ground. The lamp is lit by this field current. No current goes through any of the diodes. Once the alternator is spinning, its generated current runs through D1-D3 (and virtual ground is supplied through the not shown D4-D6) to charge the battery. The voltage regulator monitors this voltage, and is powered by it too, through D7-D9, resulting in a net zero voltage across the lamp which remains dark. Now, if any of D1-D3 are shorted, even when the key is off battery current will flow through the offender, through the windings and through D7-D9, to the voltage regulator which will power the field winding, _and_ through the lamp to the other normally-switched loads. There is obviously, in your case, enough current to light the lamp. It only takes something like 100m-200mA to light the thing. It's the alternator field winding that sucked the battery dry so quickly. All clear? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Update Re: Red dash light for Battery is staying on
Jim; I appreciate this dissertation of the regulator circuitry which I obviously never fully understod. I am saving it. Blame it on the military. Unlike others who gained expertice in electronics and such, I spend a lot of time on KB duty and in the brigg for being non conforming, contrary and just a plain A-hole. I am learning now. On 12/7/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot see how a bad diode/Rectifier, loose belt, bad fuse etc can keep the light on as you describe. A bad diode can. The circuit has already been adequately described, perhaps a bad ASCII schematic? D1 D7Winding A D2 D8Winding B Terminal D D3 D9Winding C /--+--||-+-()()()()---+ | S1 | /--||/ | /+--o--o--+--+ +--||-+-()()()()---+ | | | | |--||/ | === | | \--||-+-()()()()---+ ==+-|Lamp|--+-||/ === Bat. |Misc.| | Terminal B = |Loads|= === =|Volt.| Field = | | Reg.|BR--()()()()---\ | | = | \--+-+--- BR-/ | Rest of Car -- | --- Inside alternator | Not shown are D4, D5, and D6, the other three heavy diodes that complete the three-phase rectifier system. (They don't matter for the purposes of this discussion, and it was hard enough to draw the above and try to make it clear.) Normally, when everything is working right, battery current runs through S1, the ignition switch, and powers various loads (ABS, radio, SRS, ACC...), as well as running through the lamp to the voltage regulator, thence through the brushes to the field winding and to ground. The lamp is lit by this field current. No current goes through any of the diodes. Once the alternator is spinning, its generated current runs through D1-D3 (and virtual ground is supplied through the not shown D4-D6) to charge the battery. The voltage regulator monitors this voltage, and is powered by it too, through D7-D9, resulting in a net zero voltage across the lamp which remains dark. Now, if any of D1-D3 are shorted, even when the key is off battery current will flow through the offender, through the windings and through D7-D9, to the voltage regulator which will power the field winding, _and_ through the lamp to the other normally-switched loads. There is obviously, in your case, enough current to light the lamp. It only takes something like 100m-200mA to light the thing. It's the alternator field winding that sucked the battery dry so quickly. All clear? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] New Alternator - Was red dash light
I bought a rebuilt Bosch from O'Reileys. It came in a plastic wrapper and without a pulley and I sent it back. The next one arrived in a box Rebuilt by Bosch complete and it is in service now since 3 years. On 12/7/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, Some of us-Curt and I to name two have had a lot of problems with rebuilt Bosch alternators that we bought locally NOT from Rusty. Rusty told me that he sells about 400 of these a year and has had no problems. I am on my 5th one in 18 months on the 240D-one was bad right out of the box. All of mine have failed within the 1 year guarantee. HTH Dwight -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MICHAEL ESH Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 6:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] New Alternator - Was red dash light Again thanks for all your input. I checked Rusty's site and he has two brands 65 amp remanufactured alternators for sale. One is a Bosch and the other a Denso The Bosch is about $40.00 bucks cheaper than the Denso. Any thoughts? Mike in Michigan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] HIGHLY OT: Re: Ritter vs Stern
Who would your first guest be? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, i dig that patrick buchanan fellow. that would be a good show. pat can be johnny and i can be ed . we invite guests and explain to them why they are traitors and morons. yes, yes, this works for me :) On 12/7/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Hurst was slightly more videogenic, he could have a job for life as a libbral-baiter on Crossfire. Come to think of it forget the lefties, half an hour of Hurst and Pat Buchanan would be absolutely priceless. Mac on 12/7/06 11:04 AM, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i look at from a slightly different perspective. how can a poof know so much about lightbulbs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] HIGHLY OT: Re: Ritter vs Stern
Ann Coulter I would suppose. --R Hans Neureiter wrote: Who would your first guest be? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, i dig that patrick buchanan fellow. that would be a good show. pat can be johnny and i can be ed . we invite guests and explain to them why they are traitors and morons.
Re: [MBZ] HIGHLY OT: Re: Ritter vs Stern
it would be you as i just dig that german accent On 12/8/06, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who would your first guest be? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, i dig that patrick buchanan fellow. that would be a good show. pat can be johnny and i can be ed . we invite guests and explain to them why they are traitors and morons. yes, yes, this works for me :) On 12/7/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Hurst was slightly more videogenic, he could have a job for life as a libbral-baiter on Crossfire. Come to think of it forget the lefties, half an hour of Hurst and Pat Buchanan would be absolutely priceless. Mac on 12/7/06 11:04 AM, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i look at from a slightly different perspective. how can a poof know so much about lightbulbs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
hey, i drove a K car for seven years, so i know the drill On 12/8/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/7/06 5:59 PM, Michael Hall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he is quite an authority on Iacocca-ero Mopars and vintage Volvos. Iacocca-era Mopars? Like the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon, or the K-Car's? Am I missing something - who would WANT to be an expert on those? Google Dodge Spirit R/T. Relatively unknown Taurus SHO killer, made only for two years and in small numbers. Special turbocharger setup and reworked head by Lotus, suspension by Carroll Shelby. Velly nice kah. Okay, that's the high-end supermarket ice cream store flavour. Stern has the Ben Jerry's one, an actual Mexican Highway Patrol version that was way beyond the R/T. The cops loved them better than anything before or since. Rare as geese in Nevada. Maybe only two or three in the U.S. (technically not legal). If that bores you, Google the videos of slightly massaged Plymouth Voyager Turbos beating everything else into the ground at drag strips. Though Chrysler turned out some pretty sad stuff back then, there were small glimmers of hope here and there. Actually I currently own a '94 Dodge Grand Caravan beater that I acquired for the princely sum of $300 and whose virtues I will defend against all who want to step up to the plate. For what it is, I think it's PDG. Mac Closet Mopar Guy since the 1970s (loved them Gran Furys) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
INFIDEL!!! On 12/8/06, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/8/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/7/06 5:59 PM, Michael Hall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he is quite an authority on Iacocca-ero Mopars and vintage Volvos. Iacocca-era Mopars? Like the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon, or the K-Car's? Am I missing something - who would WANT to be an expert on those? Google Dodge Spirit R/T. Again, who would want to be an authority on Dodge Sprints, turbo or not? Relatively unknown Taurus SHO killer, made only for two years and in small numbers. Special turbocharger setup and reworked head by Lotus, suspension by Carroll Shelby. Velly nice kah. Okay, that's the high-end supermarket ice cream store flavour. Stern has the Ben Jerry's one, an actual Mexican Highway Patrol version that was way beyond the R/T. The cops loved them better than anything before or since. Rare as geese in Nevada. Maybe only two or three in the U.S. (technically not legal). No way - not a REAL MEXICAN HIGHWAY PATROL CAR! If that bores you, Google the videos of slightly massaged Plymouth Voyager Turbos beating everything else into the ground at drag strips. Yawn, still bored of 80's Chrysler products. Though Chrysler turned out some pretty sad stuff back then, there were small glimmers of hope here and there. Actually I currently own a '94 Dodge Grand Caravan beater that I acquired for the princely sum of $300 and whose virtues I will defend against all who want to step up to the plate. For what it is, I think it's PDG. Congrats - I bet the women go crazy when you pull into the daycare and you can fit 6 car seats. I can argue the merits of my 300CD all day too, but at the end of the day, its just a solid old car. Mac Closet Mopar Guy since the 1970s (loved them Gran Furys) Nothing against Mopar or Chrysler, but the 80's were sad - might have been profitable, but I mean, come on... Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HIGHLY OT: Re: Ritter vs Stern
And explain to me that I am a traitor? Let the fun start.I know about the moron part. On 12/8/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it would be you as i just dig that german accent On 12/8/06, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who would your first guest be? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, i dig that patrick buchanan fellow. that would be a good show. pat can be johnny and i can be ed . we invite guests and explain to them why they are traitors and morons. yes, yes, this works for me :) On 12/7/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Hurst was slightly more videogenic, he could have a job for life as a libbral-baiter on Crossfire. Come to think of it forget the lefties, half an hour of Hurst and Pat Buchanan would be absolutely priceless. Mac on 12/7/06 11:04 AM, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i look at from a slightly different perspective. how can a poof know so much about lightbulbs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
[MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage
Ok, so it's an old subject, but Kaleb's posted the question to me several times about the cold starting on this car. This morning it was 13 degrees when I left for work. Glowed for 15 seconds (counted by the ticking of the dash clock) and turned the starter right after the glow light went out for 1-1.5 seconds, and it fired up and began to idle at 600 rpm (without any throttle assistance), nearly as smooth as glass. It only missed once after about 3 seconds of idling. This car has Delo 400 in the crank and NOT Mobile 1 like my SD which can be a tad more rough to start when it's that cold. Sounds to me like the compression is ok. I am seeing a small amount of oil in the vacuum lines and have parts from Rusty to rebuild the vacuum pump. Though I still cannot see how 1 qt every 300 miles can disappear through just the vacuum system. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage
Luther wrote: Ok, so it's an old subject, but Kaleb's posted the question to me several times about the cold starting on this car. This morning it was 13 degrees when I left for work. Glowed for 15 seconds (counted by the ticking of the dash clock) and turned the starter right after the glow light went out for 1-1.5 seconds, and it fired up and began to idle at 600 rpm (without any throttle assistance), nearly as smooth as glass. It only missed once after about 3 seconds of idling. This car has Delo 400 in the crank and NOT Mobile 1 like my SD which can be a tad more rough to start when it's that cold. Sounds to me like the compression is ok. I am seeing a small amount of oil in the vacuum lines and have parts from Rusty to rebuild the vacuum pump. Though I still cannot see how 1 qt every 300 miles can disappear through just the vacuum system. Figure out where the vacuum pump exhaust goes (into the air filter? in most 123s diesels I think) and that's where a bad vacuum pump sends most of the oil. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
When car is idling and running what can Black smoke inidicate? Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 1979 240D
[MBZ] Lower Radiator hos engine heaters
Lower Radiator hos engine heaters using a KAT heater, anyone in real cold climates have any experience with these? Do they work? Experiences? I know a block heater is the way to go, but install is much easier it seems Regards Tom Scordato 1979 240D Bellefonte PA
Re: [MBZ] HIGHLY OT: Re: Ritter vs Stern
that is done on the show. it's largely improvisation. then we go out back with the Mausers and shoot at moving trucks On 12/8/06, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And explain to me that I am a traitor? Let the fun start.I know about the moron part. On 12/8/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it would be you as i just dig that german accent On 12/8/06, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who would your first guest be? On 12/7/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, i dig that patrick buchanan fellow. that would be a good show. pat can be johnny and i can be ed . we invite guests and explain to them why they are traitors and morons. yes, yes, this works for me :) On 12/7/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Hurst was slightly more videogenic, he could have a job for life as a libbral-baiter on Crossfire. Come to think of it forget the lefties, half an hour of Hurst and Pat Buchanan would be absolutely priceless. Mac on 12/7/06 11:04 AM, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i look at from a slightly different perspective. how can a poof know so much about lightbulbs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
Dirty air cleaner. Yours is the oil filled, must be cleaned by hand, type air cleaner. It may have been overfilled if someone else did it and this is aggravated by parking on a slope. Been there, done that. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles
[MBZ] Saab goes over 1 Million Miles
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16070928/?GT1=8816 I know there have been some Benzes to reach the million mile mark and I heard about a Volkswagen Beetle cross 2 Million miles (more than one engine). My Uncle had a Chevy Pickup with 700K miles, but I have never heard of a Saab. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
I thought black smoke indicated that the fuel mixture was too rich. Oil was blue. Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] Holy Grail
Wow, so I own the Holy Grail of cars and am selling it? AWESOME! Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] Red dash light for Battery is staying on
On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 06:47:04AM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: OK, I'll try to trim it down a bit once... A bad diode can. The circuit has already been adequately described, perhaps a bad ASCII schematic? Okay, that has to be the most awesome ASCII art I've seen in a long time. K
Re: [MBZ] Holy Grail
Gary Thompson wrote: It's the holy grail of mercedes diesels (1987 300TD): http://austin.craigslist.org/car/245574582.html I am guessing that the Attorney who allegedly owned this car did not write the ad since they misspelled attorney. By the way, judging by the way some of the other attorneys in my firm treat their cars, I am not sure the fact that an attorney owned the car is a positive selling point. A few of the attorneys in my firm have cars that are some of the worst maintained examples on the road. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage
Look in the air filter, you should see gobs of oil in there from where the line from the vac pump goes in. If not, then there is some other problem with where the oil is going. I have a writeup here on rebuilding my vac pump. http://www.constructivity.net/rebuilding_the_vacuum_pump.htm Have fun, don't forget the loctite on the little screw that holds the diaphragm on the shaft. --R Marshall Booth wrote: Luther wrote: I am seeing a small amount of oil in the vacuum lines and have parts from Rusty to rebuild the vacuum pump. Though I still cannot see how 1 qt every 300 miles can disappear through just the vacuum system. Figure out where the vacuum pump exhaust goes (into the air filter? in most 123s diesels I think) and that's where a bad vacuum pump sends most of the oil. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] Holy Grail
you have one of these wagons for sale? Zeb On 08/12/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, so I own the Holy Grail of cars and am selling it? AWESOME! Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When car is idling and running what can Black smoke inidicate? INCOMPLETE combustion. Maybe more fuel then there's air to burn OR the fuel is being incorrectly atomized or injected OR compression is low. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Lower Radiator hos engine heaters
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lower Radiator hos engine heaters using a KAT heater, anyone in real cold climates have any experience with these? Do they work? Experiences? I know a block heater is the way to go, but install is much easier it seems Hose heaters are generally considerably (50+%) less effective than block heaters but are better than nothing. They are heating the coolant outside the block and depend on the heated fluid to migrate thru the engine - the block heater is generating the heat right IN the block just below the head where the effect is optimal. Dipstick heaters are about 90% less effective and are almost worthless. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage
Really, I've seen that hose on the older non turbo 123's, but haven't noticed one on my CD. I'll have a look tonight after work. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Luther wrote: Ok, so it's an old subject, but Kaleb's posted the question to me several times about the cold starting on this car. This morning it was 13 degrees when I left for work. Glowed for 15 seconds (counted by the ticking of the dash clock) and turned the starter right after the glow light went out for 1-1.5 seconds, and it fired up and began to idle at 600 rpm (without any throttle assistance), nearly as smooth as glass. It only missed once after about 3 seconds of idling. This car has Delo 400 in the crank and NOT Mobile 1 like my SD which can be a tad more rough to start when it's that cold. Sounds to me like the compression is ok. I am seeing a small amount of oil in the vacuum lines and have parts from Rusty to rebuild the vacuum pump. Though I still cannot see how 1 qt every 300 miles can disappear through just the vacuum system. Figure out where the vacuum pump exhaust goes (into the air filter? in most 123s diesels I think) and that's where a bad vacuum pump sends most of the oil. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage
Nope, no gobs of oil in the air cleaner. No vent out of the vacuum pump, only the main hard vacuum line. My vacuum pump looks identical to the one in Hans's 300SD. I'm still not convinced where the oil is going.. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Look in the air filter, you should see gobs of oil in there from where the line from the vac pump goes in. If not, then there is some other problem with where the oil is going. I have a writeup here on rebuilding my vac pump. http://www.constructivity.net/rebuilding_the_vacuum_pump.htm Have fun, don't forget the loctite on the little screw that holds the diaphragm on the shaft. --R Marshall Booth wrote: Luther wrote: I am seeing a small amount of oil in the vacuum lines and have parts from Rusty to rebuild the vacuum pump. Though I still cannot see how 1 qt every 300 miles can disappear through just the vacuum system. Figure out where the vacuum pump exhaust goes (into the air filter? in most 123s diesels I think) and that's where a bad vacuum pump sends most of the oil. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure?
I am in the process of adding an 83 240D to my stable, and it seems that WIS does not cover that model. Can anyone point me to a source for documentation? Skinnerbox.steaky.org is giving me Permission Denied errors, and mb.braingears.com is coming up Server not Found. Thanks -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
Michael Hall wrote: On 12/7/06, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he is quite an authority on Iacocca-ero Mopars and vintage Volvos. Iacocca-era Mopars? Like the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon, or the K-Car's? Am I missing something - who would WANT to be an expert on those? Three words: Dodge Omni GLHS
Re: [MBZ] Wind Chill (was Block Heater)
LT Don wrote: My '83 VW Quantum diesel kicked right over (Mobil-1 15-W-50) at lunch time in +1F, after being driven two blocks from the garage at 7:30 am and then sitting until noon. Two quick hits of the glow plugs and pulled the cold start handle (have no idea what that does, but it works). It adds a fixed amount of timing advance at low RPM -- about 5 degrees, IIRC.
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
Jeff Zedic wrote: I thought black smoke indicated that the fuel mixture was too rich. Oil was blue. If the air cleaner is dirty and restricting airflow it will richen the mixture.
Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure?
dave walton wrote: I am in the process of adding an 83 240D to my stable, and it seems that WIS does not cover that model. Can anyone point me to a source for documentation? Skinnerbox.steaky.org is giving me Permission Denied errors, and mb.braingears.com is coming up Server not Found. Looks like you have no choice but to buy the CD. Only costs $19.95 now. Great value for that price even with all the criticism of it's failings. http://www.classictechlit.mbusa.com/MB/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=Retailcategory%5Fname=1009%28ClassicTechLit%29product%5Fid=QL%2D6516%2D5610%2D02%28ClassicTechLit%29 Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure?
Thanks! That works for me. -Dave Walton On 12/8/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dave walton wrote: I am in the process of adding an 83 240D to my stable, and it seems that WIS does not cover that model. Can anyone point me to a source for documentation? Skinnerbox.steaky.org is giving me Permission Denied errors, and mb.braingears.com is coming up Server not Found. Looks like you have no choice but to buy the CD. Only costs $19.95 now. Great value for that price even with all the criticism of it's failings. http://www.classictechlit.mbusa.com/MB/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=Retailcategory%5Fname=1009%28ClassicTechLit%29product%5Fid=QL%2D6516%2D5610%2D02%28ClassicTechLit%29 Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage
I'm still not convinced where the oil is going.. It's burnin', burnin', burnin'! Either that or there's some kid sucking it out at night while you're sleeping. Seriously, oil in the vac lines could be the source of the problem. You still haven't found any obvious signs of oil anywhere on the engine or under the car? I don't think that your engine is worn out! I sure hope that you get to the bottom of this soon. Kevin in Hillsboro OR 1983 300SD 284K miles, Ursula PS. She hasn't been driven enough yet to check oil consumption.
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage
I can't see how it goes from the vacuum pump to the engine on this car. There is no vent hose to the air cleaner, the IP shutoff valve is new, and the EGR is blocked off. Where else is there to loose oil? Could it be an IP seal sucking oil in and mixing it with the fuel??? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Bill Wachsmuth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's totally what happens though. I had a blown vacuum diaphragm on one that had to be towed for a different reason and you would not believe how oil POURED out of the tailpipe! On 12/8/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am seeing a small amount of oil in the vacuum lines and have parts from Rusty to rebuild the vacuum pump. Though I still cannot see how 1 qt every 300 miles can disappear through just the vacuum system.
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage
Luther - if there's little or no oil in the vacuum lines, and none dripping out below, none coming out the radiator overflow, then it must be burning in the combustion chambers. And its pretty close to impossible for crankcase oil to mix with fuel in the IP, so that pretty much leaves rings, pistons, and perhaps head gasket. IIRC, M-B recommends an engine rebuild when the oil consumption exceeds a quart in 600-700 miles? Werner - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil useage I can't see how it goes from the vacuum pump to the engine on this car. There is no vent hose to the air cleaner, the IP shutoff valve is new, and the EGR is blocked off. Where else is there to loose oil? Could it be an IP seal sucking oil in and mixing it with the fuel??? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car Quoting Bill Wachsmuth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's totally what happens though. I had a blown vacuum diaphragm on one that had to be towed for a different reason and you would not believe how oil POURED out of the tailpipe! On 12/8/06, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am seeing a small amount of oil in the vacuum lines and have parts from Rusty to rebuild the vacuum pump. Though I still cannot see how 1 qt every 300 miles can disappear through just the vacuum system. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] All I want for Christmas is heat
Sometime ago several folks suggested that I needed a monovalve on my 1990 300SEL. I have no heat. The blower motor blows but it is only cold air coming out. It comes out the vents. Do I need a monovalve? If so, how do I put one in. Someone sent me a link to replacing it, but I could not open the link. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K
Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke
Thanks Jim/tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D Black smoke Dirty air cleaner. Yours is the oil filled, must be cleaned by hand, type air cleaner. It may have been overfilled if someone else did it and this is aggravated by parking on a slope. Been there, done that. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 146 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure?
Dave do you need guidance the 616 engine valve adjusting procedure should be the same as my 1979 240D/Regards Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure? I am in the process of adding an 83 240D to my stable, and it seems that WIS does not cover that model. Can anyone point me to a source for documentation? Skinnerbox.steaky.org is giving me Permission Denied errors, and mb.braingears.com is coming up Server not Found. Thanks -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure?
I've never done it before. I'm not sure what to do with the 3rd wrench. I've ordered in the CD from Mercedes (thanks Marshall). I'm picking up the car next weekend. It's been sitting for ~ 5 years, but the guy said it started up and moved and stopped okay. Any suggestions as to parts and tools I might need would be appreciated. I'm planning on bringing ATF, oil, fuel, steering, and air filters. Will be changing all fluids too. I'll check timing chain stretch, but won't be able to do anything about that if it needs it until I get it home. If the transmission fluid looks like chocolate syrup, I'll do several fluid changes using generic $7/gallon ATF every 200 miles or so until it runs clear, then switch to M1 ATF. Sound okay? Thanks -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 12/8/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave do you need guidance the 616 engine valve adjusting procedure should be the same as my 1979 240D/Regards Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure? I am in the process of adding an 83 240D to my stable, and it seems that WIS does not cover that model. Can anyone point me to a source for documentation? Skinnerbox.steaky.org is giving me Permission Denied errors, and mb.braingears.com is coming up Server not Found. Thanks -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure?
You don't really need that 3rd wrench, but it helps if you get a couple of cheap wrenches and put 2 45deg bends in them to get a bit of offset. 14mm I think? Find some at Harbor Freight or a dollar store, put some heat on them and bend them over a bit. The ones I got are from India (melted ships no doubt), cost a buck each, and bent real easily (probably even without the heat). These will work as well as the $80 set from the Deutschelanders. --R dave walton wrote: I've never done it before. I'm not sure what to do with the 3rd wrench. Any suggestions as to parts and tools I might need would be appreciated.
Re: [MBZ] Ritter vs Stern
David Brodbeck wrote: Three words: Dodge Omni GLHS Never had the 224hp 16v engine from the factory, but I've heard of conversions. How about Dodge Spirit R/T (already mentioned), Chrysler Maserati TC(which the 16v was first built for) or Consulier GTP?
Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure?
valve adjustment is easy, and even easier with an assistant. Only realy issue is getting the valve cover back on and seated properly. if you have any questions before you get the CD, just call me. On 12/8/06, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't really need that 3rd wrench, but it helps if you get a couple of cheap wrenches and put 2 45deg bends in them to get a bit of offset. 14mm I think? Find some at Harbor Freight or a dollar store, put some heat on them and bend them over a bit. The ones I got are from India (melted ships no doubt), cost a buck each, and bent real easily (probably even without the heat). These will work as well as the $80 set from the Deutschelanders. --R dave walton wrote: I've never done it before. I'm not sure what to do with the 3rd wrench. Any suggestions as to parts and tools I might need would be appreciated. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure?
VALVE ADJUSTMENT: Use video as your guide. Third round wrench is used to hold valve spring nut from turning. Do adjustment cold. Get a good set of readable feeler gauges. Make a little sketch of which ones you have adjusted. Car on front ramps makes for less bending and it is easier to get the 21MM (?) socket on the drive shaft pulley. ONLY TURN CLOCKWISE, NEVER EVERY TURN THE OTHER WAY. Get valves with the lobes up on the cam or at a 1 to 2 o'clock position is how I like to have them. Bounce around and keep you notes as to which is intake and exhaust. Use a new valve cover gasket. takes about less than two hours to hour and a half. Check chain stretch while you are in there. Takes me about two hours TRANNY ATF, get necessary seals. You will need two for the filler banjo fitting and one for the torque converter 5mm Allen head plug. Can be done on ramps but it is a tight fit if you are big. Be real clean. I like to thoroughly clean area around tranny pan with lint free cloth before I start dismantling. Let drain for a long time. If you are replacing the filter I pull the pan and clean that our with warm water. Then I dry it with an industrial paint stripping dryer to remove any trace of water. I would just refill with ATF (I use Mobil 1 synt ATF) but any approved Mercedes ATF will do. The key with the tranny fluid is to change it according to MB specs which I believe is 37,000 miles regardless of synthetic or not. I change the filter then too. I do not know if a flush like you suggested ins necessary When you reattach your banjo fitting and torque watch real carefully as it has to be torqued properly to prevent leaks. Also the tranny pan has to be torqued to spec (not too much not too little). I do it by feel, after filling I check for leaks. When filling only put in 4 quarts. Do not over fill. Then check and refill a 1/4 pint or so at a time. Do not over fill. Drive and check often. Check for leaks as well until you are satisfied that all is in order. Takes me about two hours COOLANT I do not know if that has been serviced by I like to de oil descale although I use a less concentrated amount of citrus unless the system looks real scaled. I would only use Zerex G-05 or MB blue the Zerox being approved is about 1/2 the price and available at Pep Boys. This takes me 3 or so hours to flush refill and get the air out of system. STEERING I developed my own little method. I drain the existing. I have on hand 3 or 4 quarts of the cheapest new ATF I can buy. I fill and run then drain. I do this until the oil in the pump resouvour is the same color and consistency as some from the bottle. Then I drain and us Mobil 1 AFT put in a new MANN or oem approved filter, again any fluid MB recommends will do.Takes me about 2 hours Dave hope this helps you. Regards Tom Scordato 1979 240D Hope this helps - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure? I've never done it before. I'm not sure what to do with the 3rd wrench. I've ordered in the CD from Mercedes (thanks Marshall). I'm picking up the car next weekend. It's been sitting for ~ 5 years, but the guy said it started up and moved and stopped okay. Any suggestions as to parts and tools I might need would be appreciated. I'm planning on bringing ATF, oil, fuel, steering, and air filters. Will be changing all fluids too. I'll check timing chain stretch, but won't be able to do anything about that if it needs it until I get it home. If the transmission fluid looks like chocolate syrup, I'll do several fluid changes using generic $7/gallon ATF every 200 miles or so until it runs clear, then switch to M1 ATF. Sound okay? Thanks -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 12/8/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave do you need guidance the 616 engine valve adjusting procedure should be the same as my 1979 240D/Regards Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D valve Adjust procedure? I am in the process of adding an 83 240D to my stable, and it seems that WIS does not cover that model. Can anyone point me to a source for documentation? Skinnerbox.steaky.org is giving me Permission Denied errors, and mb.braingears.com is coming up Server not Found. Thanks -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:
Re: [MBZ] Good feelings
On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 10:07:36PM -0800, John Freer wrote: Sounds like you have never driven in heavy LA traffic at 70 mph with motorcycles legally driving in between cars with clapped out old Impalas darting in and out of lanes at 85 plus. Actually, that's not legal in california. There's a cap on the speed differential for lane splitting. Besides, the fastest speed limit in CA is 70 ;) K
