Re: [MBZ] OT: Series on Global Warming
David, I must have made some sense to you as you only objection is semantics. However, there's no confusion here. Climate is merely the tapestry woven by every day's weather. If one is predicting climate then one is merely predicting what the weather will be like over a period of time. Michael At 03:16 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote: Michael Baker wrote: Those guys cannot accurately predict next week's or next year's weather much less weather trends over the next 100 years. You're confusing weather with climate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Michael Baker Marketing Consulting Communications P. O. Box 1615 Running Springs, CA 92382-1615 909-867-5960 www.idm-marketing.com
Re: [MBZ] Convertible?
I guess I stand corrected.CLK class has a convertable. If you are referring to the Bentley Continental GTC I guess I'd have to agree. Now if we are talking affordable you can pick up a nice used CLK convertible for under 20k these days. Ralph W. '83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons) '90 300D '01 E320 Wagon '87 300TD - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Convertible? Bill, Being an MB fan I'm surprised you would ask this. The CL Class is a hardtopand they also make a convertible version. Nicest 4 person converrible out there in my opinion. Ralph, Being an MB fan I'm surprised you would say this. There has never been a factory built production CL convertible. And as to the nicest convert, wel, I'd suggest the current Bentley might fit that bill. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wolwo safety
On 2/6/07, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So all this talk about Asian cars going 100K miles without maintanence can not be true. Right off the bat, you have to change out the timing belt every 60K or so miles. On 2/6/07, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: Japanese cars DO require less work than American ones -- I've had way too many friends who have driven them hundreds of thousands of miles with nothing but tires, oil changes, and brakes -- and sometimes not even brakes. Well, My results may vary greatly, however I'm willing to pretend like I know everything anyway. My last few cars have been foreign in the fact that they have foreign names. I am currently driving a 1994 Mitsubishi Diamante LS with 220,000+ miles out of a Gas engine that I have *flogged* the last few thousand. (I think it had 205K when I bought it last year). The car hasn't had much in the way of quality service either. The car I drove before that was a 1994 Mitsubishi Galant LS. Took that one to 214,000+ miles before I sold it to my brother, who promptly decided it was a race car and destroyed the transmission. It was also a gas engine, that had been truly flogged by the college bound owner that owned it before me and had driven a valve through the head. New head and gaskets and I took it from roughly 170ish to 214 before the sale to bro and subsequent bombing. Before that I owned a 93 Toyota Corolla that my wife *hated* (she drove it the most) and was before we were married. It had no power options of any kind, and was around 280,000 when we sold it to buy the 94 Galant. Now she drives an 03 Mitsubishi Galant ES with 80ish K on the clock. I'm not sure the new engine is up to the same quality as the older engines, then again it's roughly the same displacement 4 cyl from the 94 in a heavy, larger car. So that may have something to do with it to, but it does have a slight leak somewhere. Haven't tracked it down yet. Haven't really tired either though. I haven't ever changed any of their timing belts, but I do know that if they ever *do* go, instant heads :) I just don't have the money to keep up with the factory recommended maintenance. Man I really want an old pre 80's Rear wheel drive beast that I can work on myself .. transverse engine design is horrible. Without a lift or someway to crawl around under the Diamante while I lift the V6 up in the engine bay, I can not change my own plugs or most of the belts. Designed to be worked on by dealers only. *sighs* One day I'll own a 108 . then I should only need a lift to do a major transmission change, cause the engine will come through the top instead of being design larger than the hood so it has to come out from bottom only. Ed -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
Re: [MBZ] Wolwo safety
Ed: The older MB bodies were dropped onto front subframe (shades of days when there was a full frame underneatch, pre-1053!). Starting in 1976 with the W123 chassis, all engines were installed from above (the main reason for the extra wide opening hood). However, all MB engine/transmissions come out the top nicely. Not true of Audi or may other frontwheel drive cars, including GM. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Wolwo safety
Actually, 1953.. On Feb 6, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Ed: The older MB bodies were dropped onto front subframe (shades of days when there was a full frame underneatch, pre-1053!). Starting in 1976 with the W123 chassis, all engines were installed from above (the main reason for the extra wide opening hood). However, all MB engine/transmissions come out the top nicely. Not true of Audi or may other frontwheel drive cars, including GM. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Series on Global Warming
Michael Baker wrote: David, I must have made some sense to you as you only objection is semantics. However, there's no confusion here. Climate is merely the tapestry woven by every day's weather. If one is predicting climate then one is merely predicting what the weather will be like over a period of time. Not at all. Climate is a long term average over a wide area, and tends to be predictable, whereas day-to-day weather for any given location is chaotic. I point this out because the fact that you don't understand it to me means all your other rationalizations are suspect. To use an automotive example, I can say with pretty high certainty that if I average the fuel economy of my Ford over an entire year, it will get very close to 20 mpg. However, if I try to specify what my fuel economy for any given day is, I could be way off, because I might get stuck in a traffic jam and spend a lot of time idling.
[MBZ] bent rods
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-300SD-Turbo-92-300-SD-Turbo-Diesel-Clean-Car-LOW-RESERVE-Texas_W0QQitemZ160082873266QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 00:48:19 2007 Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net ([69.17.117.10]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEayw-0001xq-U7 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:48:19 + Received: (qmail 27236 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2007 00:47:39 - Received: from dsl081-164-043.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO ringbill.gull.us) ([64.81.164.43]) (envelope-sender [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for mercedes@okiebenz.com; 7 Feb 2007 00:47:39 - Received: from [69.88.113.178] (helo=[192.168.1.105]) by ringbill.gull.us with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51 (FreeBSD)) id 1HEayH-000KCi-3c for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:47:38 -0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:47:39 -0800 From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20060911) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -5.2 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system ringbill.gull.us, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. Content preview: John Freer wrote: So all this talk about Asian cars going 100K miles without maintanence can not be true. Right off the bat, you have to change out the timing belt every 60K or so miles. You're supposed to. A lot of people with the disposable-car mindset put well over 100K on them before they snap and trash the engine, though. It depends partly on how fast you put the miles on, since the rubber degrades with age as well as wear. [...] Content analysis details: (-5.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -3.3 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] 0.7 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wolwo safety X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:48:19 - John Freer wrote: So all this talk about Asian cars going 100K miles without maintanence can not be true. Right off the bat, you have to change out the timing belt every 60K or so miles. You're supposed to. A lot of people with the disposable-car mindset put well over 100K on them before they snap and trash the engine, though. It depends partly on how fast you put the miles on, since the rubber degrades with age as well as wear.
[MBZ] cheap SDL
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1986-Mercedes-Benz-300SDL-Turbo-140-240_W0QQitemZ300078530232QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 02:08:57 2007 Received: from modus.truenet.com ([66.252.96.11]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEcEy-0005p7-Ec for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:08:57 + Received: from your03667082de (unverified [71.58.119.30]) by modus.truenet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.568.0) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:08:17 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:40:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:08:57 - I find it interesting that allot of US citizens (who by the way make up 5% of the worlds population but consume 26% of its energy) refuse to believe what we are doing cannot harm the 20 mile deep ocean of air we have surrounding us. Even in the face of facts and greatest scientific minds refuse to agree. I guess the other countries who are on board with this are not as smart as them. All you have to do is look at the amount of NOx, SOx, CO and CO2 we emit which is in the millions of tons per year do the computer modeling and ask yourself how can it not affect our ocean of air. What amazes me is none of our leaders or so called leaders every (or I have not heard it shouted out) have asked joe American public to turn off unneeded lights, drive 65 instead of 80 on the highways, make one less trip to Wal-Mart a month, mandate 30mpg new cars, have these places with all the parking lots light up like fort Knox go to night vision systems for surveillance ect ect ect. I bet with a little effort we could reduce our consumption by 15 to 20% (and some pollution) if we would be lead as a group with some good incentives and direction to suck it up a little. We can do this immediately with little effort or capital outlay. My 2 cents. Good reading is Mid Course Correction by J. Anderson Tom Scordato 1979 240D only 28mpg and contributing to the global night mare - Original Message - From: L. Mark Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal Rebut this: http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical03.jsp http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A3.lrg.gif ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wolwo safety
Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, all MB engine/transmissions come out the top nicely. I have to say that when I pulled the engine and tranny from my W110, it was a VERY tight squeeze. Putting it back, I installed the tranny then dropped in the engine -- much easier. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it interesting that allot of US citizens (who by the way make up 5% of the worlds population but consume 26% of its energy) refuse to believe what we are doing cannot harm the 20 mile deep ocean of air we have surrounding us. It doesn't surprise me. People once believed that we could never wipe out the passenger pigeon, that we could never exhaust our supply of old-growth timber, that we could never over-hunt whales, and that we could dump anything we wanted into lakes, oceans, and rivers with no consequences. People tend to assume that human activity can't influence things that are on a vast scale. It's true for one human, but there are now over 6 billion of us and that changes things a bit.
Re: [MBZ] Drive shaft removal steps, 85 300TD
Well if they say gmail does not show your own posting thats probably the deal. As for the list settings, you just would log into your options page with your password and you can change all that there. The link is at the bottom of each message. Harry Watkins wrote: Kaleb I am using Gmail for the list, how do I change that setting? I have perhaps looked in the wrong place. Thanks Harry -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pimp my Benz
thats great Redghost wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neghRf8noU4 Dude has this car for sale http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/274112335.html $650.00 No affiliation -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?
MB is not putting out the CD manuals anymore? What the heck are people supposed to do then? Marshall Booth wrote: Euan wrote: Hi there folks These CDs seem awfully cheap. Are they legit, do you think? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-240D-300D-300TD-300CD-WORKSHOP-MANUAL-INFO_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34227QQihZ010QQitemZ200074644901QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD2V That's ($19.95 US$) what Mercedes USA was charging for the two disc 123 and 126 sets until they ran out (and won't issue them again) late last year. Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: MB is not putting out the CD manuals anymore? What the heck are people supposed to do then? Buy new cars?
Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?
New Benz? Hahahahahahahah! I'd rather buy something reliable, like a Yugo. Sad when even the Chinese have a more reliable new car than the Germans do. On 2/6/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: MB is not putting out the CD manuals anymore? What the heck are people supposed to do then? Buy new cars? -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
Oh, I agree that we are polluting the air and we need to stop ASAP. My only issue is with the current Global Warming mass hysteria. It's to the point where the experts were blaming this year's earlier warm weather on global warming but now that it's actually cold in the mid-west and east coast, I don't hear a thing. Why? Because the cold weather no longer supports global warming. But then neither did the unseasonable warm spell, did it? This hysteria is more like a religion than scientific fact. If it weren't so, the experts would not be cherry picking data to support their theories. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal I find it interesting that allot of US citizens (who by the way make up 5% of the worlds population but consume 26% of its energy) refuse to believe what we are doing cannot harm the 20 mile deep ocean of air we have surrounding us. Even in the face of facts and greatest scientific minds refuse to agree. I guess the other countries who are on board with this are not as smart as them. All you have to do is look at the amount of NOx, SOx, CO and CO2 we emit which is in the millions of tons per year do the computer modeling and ask yourself how can it not affect our ocean of air. What amazes me is none of our leaders or so called leaders every (or I have not heard it shouted out) have asked joe American public to turn off unneeded lights, drive 65 instead of 80 on the highways, make one less trip to Wal-Mart a month, mandate 30mpg new cars, have these places with all the parking lots light up like fort Knox go to night vision systems for surveillance ect ect ect. I bet with a little effort we could reduce our consumption by 15 to 20% (and some pollution) if we would be lead as a group with some good incentives and direction to suck it up a little. We can do this immediately with little effort or capital outlay. My 2 cents. Good reading is Mid Course Correction by J. Anderson Tom Scordato 1979 240D only 28mpg and contributing to the global night mare - Original Message - From: L. Mark Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal Rebut this: http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical03.jsp http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A3.lrg.gif ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Series on Global Warming
Climate is merely the tapestry woven by every day's weather. If one is predicting climate then one is merely predicting what the weather will be like over a period of time. Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get. Simple! :-) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
You brought up the nuts bolts behind what I've been saying, that there is no proven correlation between CO2 levels global warming. A nit: there _is_ a correlation, under question is the causal relationship. As I recall from Philosophy 201 (?), that would be the post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT: Series on Global Warming
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:43:49 -0700 Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a 10 part series on the subject, Some scientists deny global warming exists that starts at http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=156df7e6-d490-41c9-8b1f-106fef8763c6k=0 My word! I had no idea I would generate such a thread! Craig
Re: [MBZ] OT: German Long Hiar Pointers was Shepherds was battery recharge and drivingwiththe lights on
OT for cat lovers: You should have Googled Minipanthers instead. You would have discovered Bombays - world's cutest breed of all-black cats. Very tactile, inquisitive, playful, and affectionate without being annoying/ cloying. One of ours does a feline version of a rolypoly on the floor, the other loves to lick the toothpaste and soap dispensers. On 2/6/07, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.germanlonghairpointerbreeders.com/ http://www.germanlonghairpointers.com/index.cfm just googled german long hair pointer breeds certainly have unique temperments/personalities and qualities, but temperment also varies widely within each breed. My two Shepherds have very different personalities. Breed is a better indicator of ...oh, call them value added instincts than personality. For example, pointers will point as early as 5 weeks with no training. A German Shepherd will never point at 5 weeks without training...and it would be dumb to try to train them to do it. Labs love water...not sure about chihuahuas. SO, they suggest you always try to get a good look at both parents (often difficult to do) to learn a little about their temperment. There are also puppy temperment tests which give a pretty good indication of what you're in for. These tests are highly developed (although not necessarily complicated) as they use them to select puppies for various EXPENSIVE training programs (seeing eye dogs, for example) and they try to select for exactly what they want BEFORE spending alot of money on rearing and training. Chris Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: Life begins when the last child leaves home and the dog dies. I never heard about GLP -- had a few very nice GSPs in my youth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointer_%28German_Longhaired%29 Supposed to be a tad less high strung than a GSP. The GWP (Drahthaar) is supposed to be a bit more assertive than a GSP, and the female my father had was. When a realtor stuck his head in the kennel to check them out, it was the GWP that tried to take it off. If I were exercising them together, it would be the GWP that decided to head for the hills (with my GSP bitch in hot pursuit, but she rarely started the adventure). I learned to make sure I had the key to the CB650 in my pocket before I turned them off-lead. If I didn't head them off before they hit the woods 3/8 of a mile away, I might not see them again for a while (usually 1-3 hours for the GSP, but the GWP once took off for 3 days). That GSP was 8 years old before I could move her inside with me, and I decided I'd not kennel a dog outside again if I could help it. They just don't get enough attention that way, especially in the winter. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Series on Global Warming
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person! At 04:46 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote: Michael Baker wrote: David, I must have made some sense to you as you only objection is semantics. However, there's no confusion here. Climate is merely the tapestry woven by every day's weather. If one is predicting climate then one is merely predicting what the weather will be like over a period of time. Not at all. Climate is a long term average over a wide area, and tends to be predictable, whereas day-to-day weather for any given location is chaotic. I point this out because the fact that you don't understand it to me means all your other rationalizations are suspect. To use an automotive example, I can say with pretty high certainty that if I average the fuel economy of my Ford over an entire year, it will get very close to 20 mpg. However, if I try to specify what my fuel economy for any given day is, I could be way off, because I might get stuck in a traffic jam and spend a lot of time idling. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Michael Baker Marketing Consulting Communications P. O. Box 1615 Running Springs, CA 92382-1615 909-867-5960 www.idm-marketing.com
Re: [MBZ] Convertible?
Mecedes 280SE 3.5 cabriolet is the nicest classic Eurpean convertible, in my book BTW, one of my pet peeves is the 450 SL owners who call their cars convertables [sic]. They are wrong on two counts: spelling and the fact that SLs are roadsters. On 2/6/07, Ralph W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I stand corrected.CLK class has a convertable. If you are referring to the Bentley Continental GTC I guess I'd have to agree. Now if we are talking affordable you can pick up a nice used CLK convertible for under 20k these days. Ralph W. '83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons) '90 300D '01 E320 Wagon '87 300TD - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Convertible? Bill, Being an MB fan I'm surprised you would ask this. The CL Class is a hardtopand they also make a convertible version. Nicest 4 person converrible out there in my opinion. Ralph, Being an MB fan I'm surprised you would say this. There has never been a factory built production CL convertible. And as to the nicest convert, wel, I'd suggest the current Bentley might fit that bill. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pimp my Benz
Is that guy a list member?? On 2/6/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats great Redghost wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neghRf8noU4 Dude has this car for sale http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/274112335.html $650.00 No affiliation -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Convertible?
BTW, one of my pet peeves is the 450 SL owners who call their cars convertables [sic]. They are wrong on two counts: spelling and the fact that SLs are roadsters. I always thought that it was the presence of the bolt-on coupe hardtop that made it 'convertible': from coupe to roadster and back. The point was stretched long ago to include the folding soft top as well. The true roadsters I always thought were equipped, at best, with a tonneau cover. Flying goggles, trench coats, and long scarves too. But I'm willing to be wrong! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
Tom Hargrave wrote: Oh, I agree that we are polluting the air and we need to stop ASAP. My only issue is with the current Global Warming mass hysteria. It's to the point where the experts were blaming this year's earlier warm weather on global warming but now that it's actually cold in the mid-west and east coast, I don't hear a thing. Which experts? I heard a lot of ignorant media speculation about it but I doubt very much any actual climate scientists were saying that. You can't point to any one event and say this was caused by global warming.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Series on Global Warming
Michael Baker wrote: I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person! If that were true, it'd be an even match.
Re: [MBZ] Convertible?
Roadsters are two seaters, convertibles 4 place. But then, what do you call an SL with the kinder seat option? My 107 and current 129 has a tonneau cover, made by California Car Cover. On 2/6/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, one of my pet peeves is the 450 SL owners who call their cars convertables [sic]. They are wrong on two counts: spelling and the fact that SLs are roadsters. I always thought that it was the presence of the bolt-on coupe hardtop that made it 'convertible': from coupe to roadster and back. The point was stretched long ago to include the folding soft top as well. The true roadsters I always thought were equipped, at best, with a tonneau cover. Flying goggles, trench coats, and long scarves too. But I'm willing to be wrong! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: German Long Hiar Pointers was Shepherds was battery recharge and drivingwiththe lights on
Yes, I would remind that breeds certainly do vary within a breed. The poorer, or the less-focused the breeding program, the more the variance. I include in the category of less-focused those that breed for pets and not for the particular purpose for which the breed was developed. Yes, there are breeds that were developed for no purpose other than to be a pet, and it is harder to find actual proof of the puppy's quality in these cases. As Chris said, there are puppy tests that judge temperament, though I've found a lot of breeders get offended if you offer to administer them. Most breeders that think highly of their program will tell you what's up rather than have you tell them anything. Most of the time, at least in the case of working kennels, the breeder will profile you and decide which pup is the best match for you. Research and attend dog shows or performance events pertaining to the breed you are interested in. People are usually more than happy to tell you the good and the bad about the breed unless they are getting ready for their ring time. However, they are much less willing to speak of who is a good or bad breeder. Meeting the dam and sire are pretty useful, though certainly no guarantee. Brian Chris wrote: breeds certainly have unique temperments/personalities and qualities, but temperment also varies widely within each breed.
Re: [MBZ] Wolwo safety
It all depends. I certainly didn't think the alternator in my 83' 300D was easy to remove. It wasn't THAT bad, but it required a few extra pieces be removed. My Subaru was just like two bolts from the top... The thermostat was easier on the sube since I didn't have to squash my hand in between fan blades or what not... The cv shaft... mmm, could go either way... The Benz is a pain to remove the diff cover and pull the C-clip, but the Sube had a stupid roll pin. I much preferred my Hondas and Isuzus which simply had circlips that you just popped out with a little prying. Brakes are easier on the Sube. Close call, but you don't have to monkey with wheel bearings on the front rotors. Spark plugs are in better locations than glow plugs on the ones I've had... I'd rate the Benz pretty easy as far as mechanical work goes, but I would have to give the nod to the Subaru. The Sube has 220K miles and has not had many issues, but then it is about 14 years younger than the Benz... Levi On 2/6/07, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: Japanese cars DO require less work than American ones -- I've had way too many friends who have driven them hundreds of thousands of miles with nothing but tires, oil changes, and brakes -- and sometimes not even brakes. They can be a pain to work on when they *do* break, though. If you ever have to change the alternator in a Honda Civic you'll see what I mean. Hint: step 1 is remove driver's side drive axle. I think they way Honda stamps the required socket size on the head of each bolt is a rather nice touch, though. If it says 10, you reach for the 10mm socket. No guessing required. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?
1999 E300Dt. 8 F, not plugged in, One glow cycle. bump key and let the thing auto crank (up to 2 secs). Fired right up. (Th!)... 1985 300D... well I probably need to go over the valves (7500 ago) and toss in some anti gel... and maybe a battery tender... It almost started before flattening the battery (2.5 yr old diehard) -j. -- Original message -- From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Benz? Hahahahahahahah! I'd rather buy something reliable, like a Yugo. Sad when even the Chinese have a more reliable new car than the Germans do. On 2/6/07, Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: MB is not putting out the CD manuals anymore? What the heck are people supposed to do then? Buy new cars? -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 14:01:34 2007 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEnMc-0005u6-0U for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:01:34 + Received: from WFlaptop ([151.204.21.139]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:00:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:00:17 -0500 From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:01:34 - Sounds like the diehard didn't.. Werner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs? 1999 E300Dt. 8 F, not plugged in, One glow cycle. bump key and let the thing auto crank (up to 2 secs). Fired right up. (Th!)... 1985 300D... well I probably need to go over the valves (7500 ago) and toss in some anti gel... and maybe a battery tender... It almost started before flattening the battery (2.5 yr old diehard) -j.
Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?
well maybe. It hadn't been started at all in ~2-3 weeks and it did get treated to 2-3 mins of cranking.Given the price of diehard etc, I'm likely to go to the stealership ($109) for a battery. They have been uprated to 100Ah... -j. -- Original message -- From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like the diehard didn't.. Werner From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 14:24:37 2007 Received: from web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.36]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEniv-0007Je-JH for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:24:37 + Received: (qmail 10809 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2007 14:23:57 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-YMail-OSG: fp.oBDoVM1ku1fwx.sxDwUyexnmsoXyztgUJYcwn0bM3IeBYsy3V2KY8o88HxPsPDbykLq7ZPC.ca3298qU7DP7nxtRxoKMUGlL3v0fgA.WB5_yKWTYxMbmWAz7UmA6592fFuhxTHft8dZE- Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:23:57 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 06:23:57 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:24:38 - I'm with you Tom, whats a moderate to do? I'll tell you what I do, I drive at 20 year old car that averages better than 35mpg. I've got 85 acres that within a decade should be covered with trees. Every month I invest in insulating my house a little better. I replace incadescent lightbulbs with cf. I use my woodstove which is of the new low particulate clean burn type. We don't throw out any food or paper waste, that all gets composted. Everything metal, glass or plastic goes in the recycling. The block heater for my car is on a timer, outside lights are off at night since theres a streetlight anyway. I'm not a fanatic, just trying to do little things to reduce my ecological footprint. I'd say your 28mpg car is not as big a pollution problem as some soccer mom with 2 kids in a Suburban. Think what it costs in terms of environmental impact to MAKE that stupid SUV and in the next 10 years she'll have 2 or maybe even 3... Driving an older moderately efficient car is recycling at its best. -Curt Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:40:17 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I find it interesting that allot of US citizens (who by the way make up 5% of the worlds population but consume 26% of its energy) refuse to believe what we are doing cannot harm the 20 mile deep ocean of air we have surrounding us. Even in the face of facts and greatest scientific minds refuse to agree. I guess the other countries who are on board with this are not as smart as them. All you have to do is look at the amount of NOx, SOx, CO and CO2 we emit which is in the millions of tons per year do the computer modeling and ask yourself how can it not affect our ocean of air. What amazes me is none of our leaders or so called leaders every (or I have not heard it shouted out) have asked joe American public to turn off unneeded lights, drive 65 instead of 80 on the highways, make one less trip to Wal-Mart a month, mandate 30mpg new cars, have these places with all the parking lots light up like fort Knox go to night vision systems for surveillance ect ect ect. I bet with a little effort we could reduce our consumption by 15 to 20% (and some pollution) if we would be lead as a group with some good incentives and direction to suck it up a little. We can do this immediately with little effort or capital outlay. My 2 cents. Good reading is Mid Course Correction by J. Anderson Tom Scordato 1979 240D only 28mpg and contributing to the global night mare - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 14:35:11 2007 Received: from odin.envisagenow.com ([12.2.42.104])
Re: [MBZ] OT: German Long Hiar Pointers was Shepherds was battery recharge and drivingwiththe lights on
There is only one ethical way to choose a dog breed: adopt your pet from the local humane society shelter! There are a plethora of sizes, breeds and temperaments to choose from, and the modest adoption fee goes to a good cause. That's where we found Woby, a Tibetan Terrier who had the highest bark to size ratio of any dog in existence to go with his woebegone expression. On 2/7/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I would remind that breeds certainly do vary within a breed. The poorer, or the less-focused the breeding program, the more the variance. I include in the category of less-focused those that breed for pets and not for the particular purpose for which the breed was developed. Yes, there are breeds that were developed for no purpose other than to be a pet, and it is harder to find actual proof of the puppy's quality in these cases. As Chris said, there are puppy tests that judge temperament, though I've found a lot of breeders get offended if you offer to administer them. Most breeders that think highly of their program will tell you what's up rather than have you tell them anything. Most of the time, at least in the case of working kennels, the breeder will profile you and decide which pup is the best match for you. Research and attend dog shows or performance events pertaining to the breed you are interested in. People are usually more than happy to tell you the good and the bad about the breed unless they are getting ready for their ring time. However, they are much less willing to speak of who is a good or bad breeder. Meeting the dam and sire are pretty useful, though certainly no guarantee. Brian Chris wrote: breeds certainly have unique temperments/personalities and qualities, but temperment also varies widely within each breed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
They damn well better NOT contain mercury. :(( My sense is they do last longer, at least the ones from Home Depot. I don't know yet about the cheapies from Ikea that we just purchased @3 for $3.99). Curt - you are hardly a moderate. You are a green zealot, in the best sense of both words. :) On 2/7/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I replace incadescent lightbulbs with cf. What's your experience with this? I started doing this, and found that they don't last any longer than incandescent, and are much more expensive, so I stopped. With the lifespans I've experienced, I doubt that the savings in electricity is going to offset the premium I paid for the bulb (though I haven't actually done the math). Plus don't they contain mercury? What do you do with them when they burn out. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
Or my favorite: some soccer mom using her suburban to drive her kids 300 yds (max) down the driveway, only to sit there idling until the bus picks them up, then back up the drive and go back in the house. I see it MANY mornings, and it doesnt have to be any colder than 40 for it to occur! -j. -- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd say your 28mpg car is not as big a pollution problem as some soccer mom with 2 kids in a Suburban. Think what it costs in terms of environmental impact to MAKE that stupid SUV and in the next 10 years she'll have 2 or maybe even 3... Driving an older moderately efficient car is recycling at its best. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 15:16:04 2007 Received: from web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.44]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEoWi-0001zx-6y for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:16:04 + Received: (qmail 85384 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2007 15:15:19 - X-YMail-OSG: 5W8rL3EVM1lqMaxJZUkX5TqSBPZhUqDITjcQUOoMOzN9br5pEgJaOIj8.vvdeqQPcELZDSEjM0D4Kc5PQSXABSGPjooxsMdmOHG2iuxwpzjqMYIMY_Q.8WCJtsGhDGi64MRrerLxcGbaIglEf9D7EKlyKLiwXscX.WlB74_oiyZ4W6h6YzaONMkHcnFK Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:15:18 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:15:18 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:16:04 - Its cold right now on the east coast... 2 years in a row I've ridden my motorcycle after Thanksgiving. We had the second warmest December on record. Climate, not weather. Don't judge based on one city or state in a week, whats the overall average for the world per year? This baby's warming up. I can't believe that all the heat we make as a species by burning (if nothing else) fossil fuels hasn't contributed to the temperature of our planet. You realize we burn BILLIONS of gallons of fuel a year? Its hard to conceive of how big that number is. Billions, totally unavailable to the average mind. That heat has to be somewhere, it can't all just shed away from the planet, air is insulating... -Curt Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:21:08 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh, I agree that we are polluting the air and we need to stop ASAP. My only issue is with the current Global Warming mass hysteria. It's to the point where the experts were blaming this year's earlier warm weather on global warming but now that it's actually cold in the mid-west and east coast, I don't hear a thing. Why? Because the cold weather no longer supports global warming. But then neither did the unseasonable warm spell, did it? This hysteria is more like a religion than scientific fact. If it weren't so, the experts would not be cherry picking data to support their theories. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 15:27:25 2007 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.247]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEohg-0002fk-MT for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:27:25 + Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so199186ana for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.7.18 with SMTP id 18mr7861477ang.1170862006401; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.93.18 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:26:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:26:46 -0500 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL
[MBZ] argh, Wimmins!
So my wife calls The truck won't turn. WHAT? What in hell could be wrong. Well, in fact the truck won't start, she ment the truck won't turn over. Now she claims this is what she said last weekend when the transmission was messed up. Anyway I ask her do the lights come on? Sure all lights are a go, the truck had just stalled and now won't restart. Did she try to restart in the road? Yes but now she's pulled over in park. Oh, well it won't restart in drive, but now she's in park. Put it in neutral we've had trouble with the neutral safety switch but its like once a month so I haven't bothered to mess with it. Truck starts right up. We've been through this like twenty times, she knows what the neutral safety switch is, knows its failing or out of adjustment or whatever, KNOWS the fix just can't think to do it on her own... I'm amazed sometimes, its like trying to teach my mother to use the computer. -Curt - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 15:36:02 2007 Received: from smtp106.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([68.142.229.99]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEoq2-0003Cy-AH for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:36:02 + Received: (qmail 58815 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2007 15:35:21 - Received: from unknown (HELO Sawyer) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@68.88.140.102 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2007 15:35:20 - X-YMail-OSG: .rBjnCoVM1kLVBKz57I3nzic54Es.0jvATcjJNCt8ieb1W9J0PTXMCfa2WuRdzqcUhAx9dTX3.u5Yylm6oesuzGWqsEH3coKzq00AY8SwGvjFMoLO2_78g-- Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Allen Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:35:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: [MBZ] 83 300D turbo. X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:36:02 - During one recent moment of insanity, I purchased a 300D with 345K miles = on the odometer. Among many problems, the rubber boots were broken on = the axle shafts. A friend stated that he had the boot kits and wanted = to put them on. He installed the necessary hardware at a shop, but two = problems remain. First, how much grease is placed inside; each kit = appears to have two tubes of lubricant. Second, he wanted to weld the = metal pieces together, but that would destroy the rubber O-ring. We = both had the original shop manuals at one time but mine went with a 83 = 300TD that I sold, and his went with a wrecked 83 300D that he recently = sold. Any help would be appreciated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 15:36:17 2007 Received: from postal.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.12] helo=mail.windwireless.net) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEoqH-0003DC-Gj for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:36:17 + Received: from windwireless.net (unverified [206.63.94.197]) by windwireless.net (WindPostal) with ESMTP id 1735803 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:50:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:35:38 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-412260344 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] argh, Wimmins!
You realize this is somehow your fault, right? Bob R. - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:31 AM Subject: [MBZ] argh, Wimmins! So my wife calls The truck won't turn. WHAT? What in hell could be wrong. Well, in fact the truck won't start, she ment the truck won't turn over. Now she claims this is what she said last weekend when the transmission was messed up. Anyway I ask her do the lights come on? Sure all lights are a go, the truck had just stalled and now won't restart. Did she try to restart in the road? Yes but now she's pulled over in park. Oh, well it won't restart in drive, but now she's in park. Put it in neutral we've had trouble with the neutral safety switch but its like once a month so I haven't bothered to mess with it. Truck starts right up. We've been through this like twenty times, she knows what the neutral safety switch is, knows its failing or out of adjustment or whatever, KNOWS the fix just can't think to do it on her own... I'm amazed sometimes, its like trying to teach my mother to use the computer. -Curt - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wolwo safety
It all depends. I certainly didn't think the alternator in my 83' 300D was easy to remove. It wasn't THAT bad, but it required a few extra pieces be removed. My Subaru was just like two bolts from the top... I've found nothing easier to work on than the Frankenheap, a 1972 200D (W115). The Falcon, and the old Chevy pickup are as easy, on none of these vehicles is anything in the way of anything else. (We will ignore the dratted blower motor, since it still works fine.) Glow plugs as easy as spark plugs on an old gasser, etc. Throw AC in, or a V8, and things start getting a bit harder. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?
I would think that an engine requiring more than 5-10 seconds of cranking is in need of something else - like properly operating glow plugs, or ungelled or not ice-blocked fuel. I'm assuming you've been regularly putting decent fuel in the tank, so that should be winterized in this zone; that leaves glow plugs - fuses, controls, and lastly, the plugs themselves. There is anecdotal evidence that the Optima batteries last longer and have plenty of capacity; I've kept with M-B batteries for 3 reasons: They are cheaper than the Optima (at the dealers, with the club discount), they seem to last at least 5 years (mostly), and when showing the car, having OE batteries helps, too. And when I called for the free M-B road service the one time I had a premature battery failure, they replaced it at no charge, on the spot - didn't have to lift a finger! Werner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs? well maybe. It hadn't been started at all in ~2-3 weeks and it did get treated to 2-3 mins of cranking.Given the price of diehard etc, I'm likely to go to the stealership ($109) for a battery. They have been uprated to 100Ah... -j. -- Original message -- From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like the diehard didn't.. Werner
Re: [MBZ] OT: German Long Hiar Pointers was Shepherds was battery recharge and drivingwiththe lights on
Most of the time, at least in the case of working kennels, the breeder will profile you and decide which pup is the best match for you. Yes, that has been my experience too. Chris Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I would remind that breeds certainly do vary within a breed. The poorer, or the less-focused the breeding program, the more the variance. I include in the category of less-focused those that breed for pets and not for the particular purpose for which the breed was developed. Yes, there are breeds that were developed for no purpose other than to be a pet, and it is harder to find actual proof of the puppy's quality in these cases. As Chris said, there are puppy tests that judge temperament, though I've found a lot of breeders get offended if you offer to administer them. Most breeders that think highly of their program will tell you what's up rather than have you tell them anything. Most of the time, at least in the case of working kennels, the breeder will profile you and decide which pup is the best match for you. Research and attend dog shows or performance events pertaining to the breed you are interested in. People are usually more than happy to tell you the good and the bad about the breed unless they are getting ready for their ring time. However, they are much less willing to speak of who is a good or bad breeder. Meeting the dam and sire are pretty useful, though certainly no guarantee. Brian Chris wrote: breeds certainly have unique temperments/personalities and qualities, but temperment also varies widely within each breed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 15:52:03 2007 Received: from postal.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.12] helo=mail.windwireless.net) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEp5X-0004C6-0R for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:52:03 + Received: from windwireless.net (unverified [206.63.94.197]) by windwireless.net (WindPostal) with ESMTP id 1736046 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:06:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:51:23 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-412260344 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Convertible? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:52:03 - Roadsters are two seaters, convertibles 4 place. But then, what do you=20= call an SL with the kinder seat option? We call the SL's rear 'seat' area the 'bucket'. Wiki's opinion: Roadster is the North American term for a 2-seater without a permanent=20= top and without rollup windows (if it has rollup windows it is a=20 cabriolet, not a roadster), and the windshield is bolt on rather than=20 integrated as in modern cars. Even with the lightweight convertible top=20= raised and the clear plastic windows snapped in, the driver and=20 passenger remain somewhat exposed to the elements. Convertible is an=20= abbreviation of convertible coupe or convertible sedan which in=20 1920s-30s parlance indicated that the car had roll-up side windows=20 instead of removable windows (usually called sidecurtains in America).=20= In modern times, the word is often used to describe a two-seat=20 convertible without fixed window frames, especially a light-weight=20 sports car. Most modern day production roadsters only meet one of the=20= three criteria. Here, the use of the name roadster is more a marketing=20= gimmick than a technical label, invoking the feeling of an open-top=20 machine for enjoyment, like those of the past. Also: In the 19th century a
Re: [MBZ] Wolwo safety
Jim typed: I've found nothing easier to work on than the Frankenheap, a 1972 200D (W115). The Falcon,... The thing I always liked about my Falcon was how you could look under the hood and see more driveway than engine. Bob R.
Re: [MBZ] 83 300D turbo.
shafts. A friend stated that he had the boot kits and wanted to put them on. He installed the necessary hardware at a shop, but two problems remain. First, how much grease is placed inside; each kit appears to have two tubes of lubricant. If dirt has gotten inside, it won't matter. The joints will fail relatively soon. Usually we here recommend replacing such units with good used ones, they will usually last a long time and are relatively cheap. Second, he wanted to weld the metal pieces together, but that would destroy the rubber O-ring. We both had the original shop manuals at one time but mine went with a 83 300TD that I sold, and his went with a wrecked 83 300D that he recently sold. The factory boots are crimped on. I don't know what you're talking about with welding. The aftermarket boots clamp and/or glue on. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT: German Long Hiar Pointers was Shepherds was battery recharge and drivingwiththe lights on
I do think that adopting a shelter dog is a wonderful thing to do. 3-4 million dogs are euthanized in the US every year, which is a terrible shame. However, it is NOT the only ethical way to acquire a dog. Serious breeders, who are not in it for money, but to continually improve the breed are a great benefit to dogdom and to society. Many dogs are working dogs - they have jobs. If everyone bought from shelters and stopped buying purebred dogs, these breeds would be gone. Herding dogs for farmers, flock protection dogs for ranchers, hunting dogs for all types of hunting, German Shepherds alone are suited to S many useful tasks: seeing eye dogs, police work, seizure detection, blood sugar reminder dogs for diabetics (they smell your sugar level and poke your tummy when you need to eat)many more example could be given. Critter Control in Kansas City uses terriers for their original purpose - killing rats in your house! The various qualities of working breeds must be retained, LITERALLY for the good of society. It's not by accident that dogs were domesticated over 7,000 years ago and have been an important part of society since. They are not just fluffy moving decorations/toys. It used to be that dogs were primarily to do a job. Now most are companions (which is a job too, but different). If you want a companion dog, yeah, seriously check out the local shelter. But to say this is the only ethical way to get a dog is rediculous. I think your concern is much better channelled into encouraging people who have NO BUSINESS breeding dogs to have theirs neutered and spayed. Most dogs end up in shelters because of obedience problems...99% of the time it's the owners fault. In Kansas City, we have a great and inexpensive dog obedience school whose mission is to train owners so that they have well behaved dogs that do not end up in shelters. Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is only one ethical way to choose a dog breed: adopt your pet from the local humane society shelter! There are a plethora of sizes, breeds and temperaments to choose from, and the modest adoption fee goes to a good cause. That's where we found Woby, a Tibetan Terrier who had the highest bark to size ratio of any dog in existence to go with his woebegone expression. On 2/7/07, Zoltan Finks wrote: Yes, I would remind that breeds certainly do vary within a breed. The poorer, or the less-focused the breeding program, the more the variance. I include in the category of less-focused those that breed for pets and not for the particular purpose for which the breed was developed. Yes, there are breeds that were developed for no purpose other than to be a pet, and it is harder to find actual proof of the puppy's quality in these cases. As Chris said, there are puppy tests that judge temperament, though I've found a lot of breeders get offended if you offer to administer them. Most breeders that think highly of their program will tell you what's up rather than have you tell them anything. Most of the time, at least in the case of working kennels, the breeder will profile you and decide which pup is the best match for you. Research and attend dog shows or performance events pertaining to the breed you are interested in. People are usually more than happy to tell you the good and the bad about the breed unless they are getting ready for their ring time. However, they are much less willing to speak of who is a good or bad breeder. Meeting the dam and sire are pretty useful, though certainly no guarantee. Brian Chris wrote: breeds certainly have unique temperments/personalities and qualities, but temperment also varies widely within each breed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 16:06:56 2007 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEpJw-000554-St for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:06:56 + Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id 20070207160615m1300do7b7e; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:06:15 + Received: from [208.27.111.119] by
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
Yeah right, good one... Hung out with some newer friends the other night and the skeletons in my closet came out. 2 motorcycles 4 snowmobiles 2 Cub Cadet tractors 2 lawn tractors (for mowing around trees on the farm) Farmall Super M Farmall Regular A plethora of chainsaws, weed whackers and other motorized devices. All my other footprint reducing endevors are to payoff the fun stuff... -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:00:48 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt - you are hardly a moderate. You are a green zealot, in the best sense of both words. :) - Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 16:21:53 2007 Received: from wsip-24-249-104-140.ks.ks.cox.net ([24.249.104.140] helo=mtsqhexc1.mtsqh.com) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEpYO-00060K-UF for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:21:53 + Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:19:35 -0600 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Rear Diff Service Thread-Index: AcdK08IF7A7i1G56QAyfGTTR28knjQ== From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: [MBZ] Rear Diff Service X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:21:53 - I was considering servicing the rear differential on my car 1990 300SEL. I could not find anything in the service records where that has been done in a long time. I have a few questions:=20 =20 1. What is the Mercedes suggested service interval on this car?=20 2. is it just 80/90 gear oil or is there special MB stuff? 3. Does Mobil 1 make something for this?=20 4. Can I just use the top-sider oil sucker for this?=20 5. Is it better to take off the cover and clean out all the gunk?=20 6. Anything in particular I should know about how to do this. I have done it several times on GM cars, but I can't remember ever doing it on a Benz (despite owning 6 of them over 12 years).=20 =20 Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A.=20 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. =20 =20
[MBZ] Don't sell your old car
This is a better way to get rid of it. Caution, involves guns, which might be disturbing to some. --R http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/02/car_trebuchet_v.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890
Re: [MBZ] argh, Wimmins!
Absolutely, one more event like that and I'll replace the stupid switch just to save my own sanity... -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:37:32 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] argh, Wimmins! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original You realize this is somehow your fault, right? Bob R. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 16:29:45 2007 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEpg0-0006aU-Q4 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:29:45 + Received: from WFlaptop ([151.204.21.139]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:25:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:21:47 -0500 From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:29:45 - That does sound like tight valves, keeping the compression too low to build up enough heat to combust the fuel. And yes, with everything working properly (glow system, fuel, battery) I still believe that 10 seconds is plenty long enough (I get concerned if I don't hear the engine fire up after 3 revolutions, which isn't very long at all). My JD4100 (1 liter, 3 cyl Diesel) which doesn't get run often in the winter, may take 5-8 revolutions to fire up, which still is probably only 5 seconds or so! And it has no block heater, and the battery is 5 years old. Werner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs? The car is a 300D, we don't have a garage, so it sits by the curb. It was 8 F (-14 C?) and had not been plugged in at all, should the 5-10 second crank before still hold true? The fuel is from the same location as the OM606 that started without issue, the GP relay was replaced within the past 14 mos (due to the old one being filled with water--the O-ring between the two halves of the unit was broken along the side where it mounts, so it could pull in water via cappilary action), and the GP's were replaced shortly before the relay. I suspect a couple of valves may be tight. I put the battery on charge (but did not plug in the block heater) and went out ~8-10 hours later, when it was up to 18 F and it did start, although it did require cranking while firing (approx 20-30 secs) until it ran smoothly. I'm going to check the valves this weekend. -j. - Original message -- From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would think that an engine requiring more than 5-10 seconds of cranking is in need of something else - like properly operating glow plugs, or ungelled or not ice-blocked fuel. I'm assuming you've been regularly putting decent fuel in the tank, so that should be winterized in this zone; that leaves glow plugs - fuses, controls, and lastly, the plugs themselves.
Re: [MBZ] Rear Diff Service
Donald - I suspect your '90 SEL has similar recommendations to my '90 D - and that says to change the diff lube every 30k miles. I use Mobil1 gear oil. The thing to do FIRST is to make sure you can get the fill plug out - only then drain the lube from the bottom plug. Have a good 14MM male wrench, with a long breaker bar, as they are often very tight. Filling can be a pain, and a device to get the lube oil up and in is very handy. Werner - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: [MBZ] Rear Diff Service I was considering servicing the rear differential on my car 1990 300SEL. I could not find anything in the service records where that has been done in a long time. I have a few questions: 1. What is the Mercedes suggested service interval on this car? 2. is it just 80/90 gear oil or is there special MB stuff? 3. Does Mobil 1 make something for this? 4. Can I just use the top-sider oil sucker for this? 5. Is it better to take off the cover and clean out all the gunk? 6. Anything in particular I should know about how to do this. I have done it several times on GM cars, but I can't remember ever doing it on a Benz (despite owning 6 of them over 12 years). Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
Curt wrote:This baby's warming up. I can't believe that all [SNIP] It's been warming for 20,000+ years. At one time there were glaciers across Kansas! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal Its cold right now on the east coast... 2 years in a row I've ridden my motorcycle after Thanksgiving. We had the second warmest December on record. Climate, not weather. Don't judge based on one city or state in a week, whats the overall average for the world per year? This baby's warming up. I can't believe that all the heat we make as a species by burning (if nothing else) fossil fuels hasn't contributed to the temperature of our planet. You realize we burn BILLIONS of gallons of fuel a year? Its hard to conceive of how big that number is. Billions, totally unavailable to the average mind. That heat has to be somewhere, it can't all just shed away from the planet, air is insulating... -Curt Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:21:08 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh, I agree that we are polluting the air and we need to stop ASAP. My only issue is with the current Global Warming mass hysteria. It's to the point where the experts were blaming this year's earlier warm weather on global warming but now that it's actually cold in the mid-west and east coast, I don't hear a thing. Why? Because the cold weather no longer supports global warming. But then neither did the unseasonable warm spell, did it? This hysteria is more like a religion than scientific fact. If it weren't so, the experts would not be cherry picking data to support their theories. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: 2/6/2007
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whatever happened to the theory I'd heard that we were due, and headed into, a minor ice age, except for our human CO2 footprint! The last mini ice age, which started with the end of the midieval warm period, ended in the 1800s. We've been warming since the mid 1800s. Cooincidentally in conjunction with the rise of the industry. But you're right, in the mid 1970s, mainstream scientists had reached a consensus that we were entering another cooling. http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
GF bulbs are sensitve to position (they don't like to be base up) and to heat -- I have some that have lasted years now in sidways ceiling fixtures that open except for the glass diffuser underneath, while some in the basement ceiling (base up) only last six month or so. The ones in the kitchen fixture that eats 40W incandescents (lousy ventilation, I think) also eats CF, although much more slowly -- they last 6-9 months instead of 2-3. With light use in a table lamp, they should last a decade or so. Too bad they all contain mercury I'm thinking white LEDs someday, although those have some nasty ecological implications from manufacture, too. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Don't sell your old car
This is a better way to get rid of it. Caution, involves guns, which might be disturbing to some. Just as a quick drill. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Wolwo safety
Amen Brother! On 2/7/07, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim typed: I've found nothing easier to work on than the Frankenheap, a 1972 200D (W115). The Falcon,... The thing I always liked about my Falcon was how you could look under the hood and see more driveway than engine. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
Allan Streib wrote: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I replace incadescent lightbulbs with cf. What's your experience with this? I started doing this, and found that they don't last any longer than incandescent, and are much more expensive, so I stopped. With the lifespans I've experienced, I doubt that the savings in electricity is going to offset the premium I paid for the bulb (though I haven't actually done the math). When I bought my house I replaced all of them with CF... so I don't have a $$ savings comparison, but I think I've only had one or two go out. Its been 2 years so far. One thing to note with any fluorescent bulb is that every time you turn it on you shorten the bulbs life. IE, if you never turned off the bulbs you might get 5 years of use, but if it was in a bathroom where it was turned on for 10 minutes for 6 times a day you might get 2 years. This might explain why I haven't had but one or two burn out... I always forget to turn lights off (why I got CF in the first place) so my lights don't get cycled as much as a very power conscious person with incandescents would cycle theirs. If for nothing else, they are perfect for shop lights I had a bad experience with a $40 fluorescent hand held light (lowes carries it..), so went with the good old bulb on a cord light. I went through like 3 incandescent bulbs in one day from bumping into things and the light burning out. Put a CF in there and it takes TONS more abuse. I have broken two or three though (they don't like to be dropped 2-3 feet). Plus don't they contain mercury? What do you do with them when they burn out. The ones I bought two years ago do. The one I bought last week doesn't... don't know if this is a brand thing or a industry wide change. John
[MBZ] CF light bulbs (was: OT - Global Warming rebuttal)
John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I bought my house I replaced all of them with CF... so I don't have a $$ savings comparison, but I think I've only had one or two go out. Its been 2 years so far. What brand do you buy? I have a few (flood-light style) that have lasted for a while but typically they don't make it even a year for me. Last batch I tried before I gave up on them was a six-pack of GE branded bulbs bought at Sams. Another I don't really like is they take a few minutes to reach full brightness -- turning on my kitchen lights, which are still mostly CF floods in recessed ceiling cans I get a very low illumination initially. Definitely NOT ideal for areas where you need lights for only a few minutes at a time, such as a bathroom. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] argh, Wimmins!
I know this thread is supposed to feed into a larger gender stereotype about chicks not getting car stuff, but having worked as a mechanic in the past, I can tell you that there are a vast vast vast number of men out there who are equally or more clueless about these matters. In some way they're actually worse, since as men, they feel social pressure to know car stuff, but lack the capacity to adequately hide their ignorance, and come off sounding really stoopid in the process. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (222k) '84 300D (219k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) '89 Audi 90Q (202k) '94 Audi 100CS Quattro Avant (117k) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Convertible?
Oh crap. So even the W113 pagoda 230 SL is a cabriolet? On 2/7/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roadsters are two seaters, convertibles 4 place. But then, what do you call an SL with the kinder seat option? We call the SL's rear 'seat' area the 'bucket'. Wiki's opinion: Roadster is the North American term for a 2-seater without a permanent top and without rollup windows (if it has rollup windows it is a cabriolet, not a roadster), and the windshield is bolt on rather than integrated as in modern cars. Even with the lightweight convertible top raised and the clear plastic windows snapped in, the driver and passenger remain somewhat exposed to the elements. Convertible is an abbreviation of convertible coupe or convertible sedan which in 1920s-30s parlance indicated that the car had roll-up side windows instead of removable windows (usually called sidecurtains in America). In modern times, the word is often used to describe a two-seat convertible without fixed window frames, especially a light-weight sports car. Most modern day production roadsters only meet one of the three criteria. Here, the use of the name roadster is more a marketing gimmick than a technical label, invoking the feeling of an open-top machine for enjoyment, like those of the past. Also: In the 19th century a coupé was a closed four-wheel coach, cut (coupé) to eliminate the forward, rear-facing passenger seats, with a single passenger seat behind the driver... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?
A Yugo is not a chinese car. LT Don wrote: New Benz? Hahahahahahahah! I'd rather buy something reliable, like a Yugo. Sad when even the Chinese have a more reliable new car than the Germans do. On 2/6/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: MB is not putting out the CD manuals anymore? What the heck are people supposed to do then? Buy new cars? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: German Long Hiar Pointers was Shepherds was battery recharge and drivingwiththe lights on
I knew my comment would get a rise out of somebody! Good point about the need for work and guide dogs - I hadn't thought of that. My comment was directed more to what I call vanity dogs, those rare and pricey breeds that attract humans (aka owners) who use them as an exotic fashion accessory or lifestyle enhancer. On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think that adopting a shelter dog is a wonderful thing to do. 3-4 million dogs are euthanized in the US every year, which is a terrible shame. However, it is NOT the only ethical way to acquire a dog. Serious breeders, who are not in it for money, but to continually improve the breed are a great benefit to dogdom and to society. Many dogs are working dogs - they have jobs. If everyone bought from shelters and stopped buying purebred dogs, these breeds would be gone. Herding dogs for farmers, flock protection dogs for ranchers, hunting dogs for all types of hunting, German Shepherds alone are suited to S many useful tasks: seeing eye dogs, police work, seizure detection, blood sugar reminder dogs for diabetics (they smell your sugar level and poke your tummy when you need to eat)many more example could be given. Critter Control in Kansas City uses terriers for their original purpose - killing rats in your house! The various qualities of working breeds must be retained, LITERALLY for the good of society. It's not by accident that dogs were domesticated over 7,000 years ago and have been an important part of society since. They are not just fluffy moving decorations/toys. It used to be that dogs were primarily to do a job. Now most are companions (which is a job too, but different). If you want a companion dog, yeah, seriously check out the local shelter. But to say this is the only ethical way to get a dog is rediculous. I think your concern is much better channelled into encouraging people who have NO BUSINESS breeding dogs to have theirs neutered and spayed. Most dogs end up in shelters because of obedience problems...99% of the time it's the owners fault. In Kansas City, we have a great and inexpensive dog obedience school whose mission is to train owners so that they have well behaved dogs that do not end up in shelters. Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is only one ethical way to choose a dog breed: adopt your pet from the local humane society shelter! There are a plethora of sizes, breeds and temperaments to choose from, and the modest adoption fee goes to a good cause. That's where we found Woby, a Tibetan Terrier who had the highest bark to size ratio of any dog in existence to go with his woebegone expression. On 2/7/07, Zoltan Finks wrote: Yes, I would remind that breeds certainly do vary within a breed. The poorer, or the less-focused the breeding program, the more the variance. I include in the category of less-focused those that breed for pets and not for the particular purpose for which the breed was developed. Yes, there are breeds that were developed for no purpose other than to be a pet, and it is harder to find actual proof of the puppy's quality in these cases. As Chris said, there are puppy tests that judge temperament, though I've found a lot of breeders get offended if you offer to administer them. Most breeders that think highly of their program will tell you what's up rather than have you tell them anything. Most of the time, at least in the case of working kennels, the breeder will profile you and decide which pup is the best match for you. Research and attend dog shows or performance events pertaining to the breed you are interested in. People are usually more than happy to tell you the good and the bad about the breed unless they are getting ready for their ring time. However, they are much less willing to speak of who is a good or bad breeder. Meeting the dam and sire are pretty useful, though certainly no guarantee. Brian Chris wrote: breeds certainly have unique temperments/personalities and qualities, but temperment also varies widely within each breed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
Re: [MBZ] Pimp my Benz
he should be andrew strasfogel wrote: Is that guy a list member?? On 2/6/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats great Redghost wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neghRf8noU4 Dude has this car for sale http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/274112335.html $650.00 No affiliation -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 300d cracked oil pan gasket????
Steve, If it comes to that, I've got a brand new oil pan and gasket sitting here. Ordered it from Rusty, but sold the car before I got around to installing it. I'd make you a good offer! Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320 On 2/6/07, Stephen MurD Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have changed all oil pan gaskets on all 3 of my diesels; this latest one, i felt a crack as i torqued down, now has small leak?? here is what i did; knocked bent in bolt holes on pan back to flat again, used silicone, very thin layer on pan upper alum. part of engine(upper oil pan???) as torqing, felt cracked gasket??; 1 back of pan bolt ; used min. silicone so none would fall off get stopped by oil pump filter screen should i buy a gasket from Rusty, maybe better quality than other co.s that get parts from world pack?, i think???(this one was not in plastic bag? ) or could i back off 10% on torque; hope i used the correct formula to convert ft lbs to inch pounds; multiply ft. lbs X 12 to get inch lbs//correct??; anyone had this crackng gasket problem before oh; i used the same exact procedure on all three? (no others leak) CHEAP GASKET MAYBE?? thanks, Steve
Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
I would hope we have better climate prediction technology and methodologies than those 70s scientists who thought we were in a global cooling phase. Think: supercomputers, satellites, GIS, etc. Our scientific tools have come a long way since 1977. On 2/7/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I replace incadescent lightbulbs with cf. What's your experience with this? I started doing this, and found that they don't last any longer than incandescent, and are much more expensive, so I stopped. With the lifespans I've experienced, I doubt that the savings in electricity is going to offset the premium I paid for the bulb (though I haven't actually done the math). When I bought my house I replaced all of them with CF... so I don't have a $$ savings comparison, but I think I've only had one or two go out. Its been 2 years so far. One thing to note with any fluorescent bulb is that every time you turn it on you shorten the bulbs life. IE, if you never turned off the bulbs you might get 5 years of use, but if it was in a bathroom where it was turned on for 10 minutes for 6 times a day you might get 2 years. This might explain why I haven't had but one or two burn out... I always forget to turn lights off (why I got CF in the first place) so my lights don't get cycled as much as a very power conscious person with incandescents would cycle theirs. If for nothing else, they are perfect for shop lights I had a bad experience with a $40 fluorescent hand held light (lowes carries it..), so went with the good old bulb on a cord light. I went through like 3 incandescent bulbs in one day from bumping into things and the light burning out. Put a CF in there and it takes TONS more abuse. I have broken two or three though (they don't like to be dropped 2-3 feet). Plus don't they contain mercury? What do you do with them when they burn out. The ones I bought two years ago do. The one I bought last week doesn't... don't know if this is a brand thing or a industry wide change. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?
Your tractor is also direct injected so it'll start easier. Thats one of the reasons that when I build my diesel truck I plan on using a Cummins 4BT... In single digits its been my experience an OM616 like in my 240D will take 10-20F seconds of cranking to start in the BEST of times. At -10F it'd be more like 20-30 seconds. The 601 in my 190D is a totally different animal and starts much more easily in the cold. -Curt Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:21:47 -0500 From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original That does sound like tight valves, keeping the compression too low to build up enough heat to combust the fuel. And yes, with everything working properly (glow system, fuel, battery) I still believe that 10 seconds is plenty long enough (I get concerned if I don't hear the engine fire up after 3 revolutions, which isn't very long at all). My JD4100 (1 liter, 3 cyl Diesel) which doesn't get run often in the winter, may take 5-8 revolutions to fire up, which still is probably only 5 seconds or so! And it has no block heater, and the battery is 5 years old. Werner - Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 20:03:52 2007 Received: from host337.ipowerweb.com ([72.22.69.22]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEt1E-0002CY-BX for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:03:52 + Received: (qmail 17071 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2007 19:55:49 - Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (206.109.43.202) by host337.ipowerweb.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2007 19:55:49 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:03:31 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] OT: A Rant on that Global Warming thang X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:03:52 - So I just saw a little blurb in the paper that says China has told the rich nations (tht would be US and Europe) that they should be the ones to pay money for global warming (or is it climate change) taxes and fees and other extractions and rules and regulations and requirements, since they have been warming the globe longer than China has, and that China will go ahead with their plans unimpeded by such requirements. (Sounds like a big GFY, thank you very much.) H... In China they are building a coupla coal-fired power plants a week, using really really dirty coal (the good stuff is used for industrial processes) and no emissions control equipment whatsoever. And there are like a billtwo of them wanting to live like we do, drive bigass cars, have air conditioned houses, lots of electrical appliances and gadgets, make gazillions of dollars (yes, dollars). And India is on the same course, another bill or so of them. They are making nice with Africa to get oil from there, I'm sure environmental and human rights issues are a big concern there (wait, didn't I just read a story about how well the Chinese companies treat the Africans?). Has Algore flown his carbon-credited G5 over there pushing them to clean up their act, go green, conserve, limit consumption, pay carbon taxes, buy carbon credits, install emissions controls, show his movie in their schools, etc etc? I missed it if he has. This whole deal, whether true or not, has been perverted into another tax the rich scheme. In US and Europe there are people who have the time and interest and agenda to press the issue, by virtue of the success of Western economies and life styles and political systems that allow for this. And there are mechanisms (a willing press, vil SUV haters, lefties with an agenda, scientists looking for the next hot thing to get grants to study, unquestioning masses of highly-educated actors and pundits, and govt functionaries looking for their cause) for them to
Re: [MBZ] OT: German Long Hiar Pointers was Shepherds was battery recharge and drivingwiththe lights on
I only recently started learning about how important dogs have been and can be - it is truly amazing. Germany considers the German Shepherd a national asset - they use them for everything. (Germans invented the seeing eye dog). They now even have cancer detection dogs - sniff urine for prostate cancer, sniff breath for lung cancer, sniff moles and can indicate if they are benign of malignant. Search and Rescue dogs, etc. St. Bernards (avalanche). Natural gas detection dogs are FAR more accurate than the gas detection meter. It really is amazing. Read about medic dogs in the army trained to pull wounded men to cover when they are under fire and can't move due to being shot. Incredible stuff. If I had Paris Hilton's chihuahua Tinkerbell in mind, I might have been tempted to say what you did! :-) Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I knew my comment would get a rise out of somebody! Good point about the need for work and guide dogs - I hadn't thought of that. My comment was directed more to what I call vanity dogs, those rare and pricey breeds that attract humans (aka owners) who use them as an exotic fashion accessory or lifestyle enhancer. On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann wrote: I do think that adopting a shelter dog is a wonderful thing to do. 3-4 million dogs are euthanized in the US every year, which is a terrible shame. However, it is NOT the only ethical way to acquire a dog. Serious breeders, who are not in it for money, but to continually improve the breed are a great benefit to dogdom and to society. Many dogs are working dogs - they have jobs. If everyone bought from shelters and stopped buying purebred dogs, these breeds would be gone. Herding dogs for farmers, flock protection dogs for ranchers, hunting dogs for all types of hunting, German Shepherds alone are suited to S many useful tasks: seeing eye dogs, police work, seizure detection, blood sugar reminder dogs for diabetics (they smell your sugar level and poke your tummy when you need to eat)many more example could be given. Critter Control in Kansas City uses terriers for their original purpose - killing rats in your house! The various qualities of working breeds must be retained, LITERALLY for the good of society. It's not by accident that dogs were domesticated over 7,000 years ago and have been an important part of society since. They are not just fluffy moving decorations/toys. It used to be that dogs were primarily to do a job. Now most are companions (which is a job too, but different). If you want a companion dog, yeah, seriously check out the local shelter. But to say this is the only ethical way to get a dog is rediculous. I think your concern is much better channelled into encouraging people who have NO BUSINESS breeding dogs to have theirs neutered and spayed. Most dogs end up in shelters because of obedience problems...99% of the time it's the owners fault. In Kansas City, we have a great and inexpensive dog obedience school whose mission is to train owners so that they have well behaved dogs that do not end up in shelters. Chris andrew strasfogel wrote: There is only one ethical way to choose a dog breed: adopt your pet from the local humane society shelter! There are a plethora of sizes, breeds and temperaments to choose from, and the modest adoption fee goes to a good cause. That's where we found Woby, a Tibetan Terrier who had the highest bark to size ratio of any dog in existence to go with his woebegone expression. On 2/7/07, Zoltan Finks wrote: Yes, I would remind that breeds certainly do vary within a breed. The poorer, or the less-focused the breeding program, the more the variance. I include in the category of less-focused those that breed for pets and not for the particular purpose for which the breed was developed. Yes, there are breeds that were developed for no purpose other than to be a pet, and it is harder to find actual proof of the puppy's quality in these cases. As Chris said, there are puppy tests that judge temperament, though I've found a lot of breeders get offended if you offer to administer them. Most breeders that think highly of their program will tell you what's up rather than have you tell them anything. Most of the time, at least in the case of working kennels, the breeder will profile you and decide which pup is the best match for you. Research and attend dog shows or performance events pertaining to the breed you are interested in. People are usually more than happy to tell you the good and the bad about the breed unless they are getting ready for their ring time. However, they are much less willing to speak of who is a good or bad breeder. Meeting the dam and sire are pretty useful, though certainly no guarantee. Brian Chris wrote: breeds certainly have unique
Re: [MBZ] M1 Turbo Diesel Truck
Also, what about the M1 10w-40 for high mileage engines would this be fine for old Benz' and perhaps offer a slight increase in cranking speed on these 0F days? Levi On 2/7/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saw it as autozone today in the quart bottles, 6.19 each. The 15W50 or whatever it is extented was like 6.93 I think. The 5qt jugs of the extended at walmart are cheaper. Should be just as good ad the TDT shouldnt it? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 Turbo Diesel Truck
Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, what about the M1 10w-40 for high mileage engines would this be fine for old Benz' and perhaps offer a slight increase in cranking speed on these 0F days? M1 0W-40 is approved for MB light diesels (or was -- would not surprise me if Mobil had reformulated it along with everything else every six months). I used it for one change, and thought the engine sounded too clattery. With 15w50 was much quieter and did not noticeably impair cranking speed on cold mornings. OW-40 might be good, though, in *really* cold areas. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
[MBZ] if I die, it was nice knowing you all....read link re: KC chemical plant explosion
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16645161.htm huge fire, lots of smoke over the city, sirens, helicopters, not good. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 21:11:37 2007 Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net ([68.230.241.40]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEu4m-0006Rm-TQ for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:11:37 + Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:10:50 -0500 Received: from familycomp ([68.106.48.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id LlAq1W00J1raWR8000; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:10:50 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:10:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] if I die, it was nice knowing you allread link re: KC chemical plantexplosion X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:11:37 - As we say at the old Nuke plant, Stay away fron the plume... Bob R - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:01 PM Subject: [MBZ] if I die,it was nice knowing you allread link re: KC chemical plantexplosion http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16645161.htm huge fire, lots of smoke over the city, sirens, helicopters, not good. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] if I die, it was nice knowing you all....read link re: KC chemical plant explosion
Nice knowing you too Chris. Who knows, maybe you'll gain superpowers... Levi Hopefully it's not REALLY that bad and I won't feel bad making those comments... On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16645161.htm huge fire, lots of smoke over the city, sirens, helicopters, not good. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] if I die, it was nice knowing you all....read link re: KC chemical plant explosion
Be sure to sue for a new paint job on your cars. On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16645161.htm huge fire, lots of smoke over the city, sirens, helicopters, not good. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess.
Re: [MBZ] argh, Wimmins!
Yeah, and you know, wimmins may have some faults but they are still sort of nice to keep around, don't you think? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] argh, Wimmins! I know this thread is supposed to feed into a larger gender stereotype about chicks not getting car stuff, but having worked as a mechanic in the past, I can tell you that there are a vast vast vast number of men out there who are equally or more clueless about these matters. In some way they're actually worse, since as men, they feel social pressure to know car stuff, but lack the capacity to adequately hide their ignorance, and come off sounding really stoopid in the process. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (222k) '84 300D (219k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) '89 Audi 90Q (202k) '94 Audi 100CS Quattro Avant (117k) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 126 wheels
Someone on the Rusty's MB forum has 126 wheels for sale. They are the 16 inch 8 hole variety. He says that it will not need spacers to fit my car (1990 300SEL). Assuming that is true that I will not need spacers, will this have any other affect on my car - changing from 15 inch to 16 inch. Will this effect the ABS or the speedometer? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 134K
Re: [MBZ] if I die, it was nice knowing you all....read link re: KC chemical plant explosion
exactly. THe cloud is precipitating a liquid. Over 100 chemicals at the plant...lots of solvents in 10,000 gallon tanks, 3 of which blew right away. CM LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be sure to sue for a new paint job on your cars. On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann wrote: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16645161.htm huge fire, lots of smoke over the city, sirens, helicopters, not good. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 21:49:29 2007 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.225]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEufR-R7-H1 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:49:29 + Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id n29so291684nzf for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:48:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.45.1 with SMTP id x1mr19951311pyj.1170884923958; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.70? ( [24.108.12.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w38sm2296506pyg.2007.02.07.13.48.42; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:48:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:49:51 -0800 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:49:30 - Yes they contain mercury. However many locations now should have somewhere you can recycle them, walmart perhaps since they are pushing them, your local govt, etc. Why this is a *good* thing is that it's recycleable, and if you look at how much energy that is required from coal fired planets to support a tungsten bulb instead, it's a lot which has a correlation to mercury too since burning the coal tosses mercury into the atmosphere, which isn't recycleable. Likely they scrub *most* of it out but the last few million parts per cubic meter of air over the space of a year becomes a lot. Here on vancouver island where 70% or so of the power comes from across the ocean on cables older than me, which have a limited life, and capacity, our provincial run hydro company practically gave bulbs away or free in exchange for old christmas lights, quartz floor lamps etc. That apparently had a noticeable effect on electrical consumption, I did notice the bulbs from Philips etc were better (faster lighting, less prone to dying) that a batch from some china supplier I've never heard of, those where quite sub-standard. So performance/ life can vary widely On Feb 7, 2007, at 7:00 AM, andrew
Re: [MBZ] if I die, it was nice knowing you all....read link re: KC chemical plantexplosion
plume blowing away from my work and house. good. 1 mile radius evac. Downtown businesses are also suggested to evacuate. highways are packed...the ones that are still open. CM Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As we say at the old Nuke plant, Stay away fron the plume... Bob R - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:01 PM Subject: [MBZ] if I die,it was nice knowing you allread link re: KC chemical plantexplosion http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16645161.htm huge fire, lots of smoke over the city, sirens, helicopters, not good. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 21:53:11 2007 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.232]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEuj1-ka-GN for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:53:11 + Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so413636wra for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr2512025wae.1170885149263; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.56.14 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:52:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:52:29 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A Rant on that Global Warming thang X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:53:12 - Rich needs to get a life so he has less time to rant and consume our precious bandwidth. I'm really tired of his global warming diatribes. While we are drawn into a specious debate, glaciers are melting and sea levels rising (though not the fault of the USA or Canada, rest assured!). I do agree that the western world needs to persuade/pressure China and India to step up to the plate now and make some hard choices to rein in their addicton to coal fired power plants. On 2/7/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I just saw a little blurb in the paper that says China has told the rich nations (tht would be US and Europe) that they should be the ones to pay money for global warming (or is it climate change) taxes and fees and other extractions and rules and regulations and requirements, since they have been warming the globe longer than China has, and that China will go ahead with their plans unimpeded by such requirements. (Sounds like a big GFY, thank you very much.) H... In China they are building a coupla coal-fired power plants a week, using really really dirty coal (the good stuff is used for industrial processes) and no emissions control equipment whatsoever. And there are like a
Re: [MBZ] OT: German Long Hiar Pointers was Shepherds was battery recharge and drivingwiththe lights on
Please don't misunderstand me. I appreciate working dogs because I grew up in NYC with a pet BORDER COLLIE, highly intelligent but perhaps the most INappropriate dog to own in a big city apartment building. He used to root up ladies' dreses with his snout thinking he was herding sheep. He also would only drink water from the bathroom sink - nevrr from a bowl or dish. On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only recently started learning about how important dogs have been and can be - it is truly amazing. Germany considers the German Shepherd a national asset - they use them for everything. (Germans invented the seeing eye dog). They now even have cancer detection dogs - sniff urine for prostate cancer, sniff breath for lung cancer, sniff moles and can indicate if they are benign of malignant. Search and Rescue dogs, etc. St. Bernards (avalanche). Natural gas detection dogs are FAR more accurate than the gas detection meter. It really is amazing. Read about medic dogs in the army trained to pull wounded men to cover when they are under fire and can't move due to being shot. Incredible stuff. If I had Paris Hilton's chihuahua Tinkerbell in mind, I might have been tempted to say what you did! :-) Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I knew my comment would get a rise out of somebody! Good point about the need for work and guide dogs - I hadn't thought of that. My comment was directed more to what I call vanity dogs, those rare and pricey breeds that attract humans (aka owners) who use them as an exotic fashion accessory or lifestyle enhancer. On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann wrote: I do think that adopting a shelter dog is a wonderful thing to do. 3-4 million dogs are euthanized in the US every year, which is a terrible shame. However, it is NOT the only ethical way to acquire a dog. Serious breeders, who are not in it for money, but to continually improve the breed are a great benefit to dogdom and to society. Many dogs are working dogs - they have jobs. If everyone bought from shelters and stopped buying purebred dogs, these breeds would be gone. Herding dogs for farmers, flock protection dogs for ranchers, hunting dogs for all types of hunting, German Shepherds alone are suited to S many useful tasks: seeing eye dogs, police work, seizure detection, blood sugar reminder dogs for diabetics (they smell your sugar level and poke your tummy when you need to eat)many more example could be given. Critter Control in Kansas City uses terriers for their original purpose - killing rats in your house! The various qualities of working breeds must be retained, LITERALLY for the good of society. It's not by accident that dogs were domesticated over 7,000 years ago and have been an important part of society since. They are not just fluffy moving decorations/toys. It used to be that dogs were primarily to do a job. Now most are companions (which is a job too, but different). If you want a companion dog, yeah, seriously check out the local shelter. But to say this is the only ethical way to get a dog is rediculous. I think your concern is much better channelled into encouraging people who have NO BUSINESS breeding dogs to have theirs neutered and spayed. Most dogs end up in shelters because of obedience problems...99% of the time it's the owners fault. In Kansas City, we have a great and inexpensive dog obedience school whose mission is to train owners so that they have well behaved dogs that do not end up in shelters. Chris andrew strasfogel wrote: There is only one ethical way to choose a dog breed: adopt your pet from the local humane society shelter! There are a plethora of sizes, breeds and temperaments to choose from, and the modest adoption fee goes to a good cause. That's where we found Woby, a Tibetan Terrier who had the highest bark to size ratio of any dog in existence to go with his woebegone expression. On 2/7/07, Zoltan Finks wrote: Yes, I would remind that breeds certainly do vary within a breed. The poorer, or the less-focused the breeding program, the more the variance. I include in the category of less-focused those that breed for pets and not for the particular purpose for which the breed was developed. Yes, there are breeds that were developed for no purpose other than to be a pet, and it is harder to find actual proof of the puppy's quality in these cases. As Chris said, there are puppy tests that judge temperament, though I've found a lot of breeders get offended if you offer to administer them. Most breeders that think highly of their program will tell you what's up rather than have you tell them anything. Most of the time, at least in the case of working kennels, the breeder will profile you and decide which pup is the best match for you. Research and attend dog shows or performance events pertaining to the breed
Re: [MBZ] if I die, it was nice knowing you all....read link re: KC chemical plantexplosion
Terrorists?? On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: plume blowing away from my work and house. good. 1 mile radius evac. Downtown businesses are also suggested to evacuate. highways are packed...the ones that are still open. CM Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As we say at the old Nuke plant, Stay away fron the plume... Bob R - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:01 PM Subject: [MBZ] if I die,it was nice knowing you allread link re: KC chemical plantexplosion http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16645161.htm huge fire, lots of smoke over the city, sirens, helicopters, not good. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] if I die, it was nice knowing you all....read link re: KC chemical plantexplosion
More likely, a couple of good old boys taking a smoke break in an unauthorized area. On 2/7/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terrorists?? -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess.
Re: [MBZ] OT: A Rant on that Global Warming thang
Andrew - and why shouldn't the USA also rein in our own addiction to coal fired plants, and stop this nonsense about avoiding nuclear power Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A Rant on that Global Warming thang Rich needs to get a life so he has less time to rant and consume our precious bandwidth. I'm really tired of his global warming diatribes. While we are drawn into a specious debate, glaciers are melting and sea levels rising (though not the fault of the USA or Canada, rest assured!). I do agree that the western world needs to persuade/pressure China and India to step up to the plate now and make some hard choices to rein in their addicton to coal fired power plants.
Re: [MBZ] CF light bulbs (was: OT - Global Warming rebuttal)
This is what I am waiting for, Nanotech stuff. That bigger picture soon will be clearer: PolyBrite plans to begin shipping white LED bulbs to light up homes, offices, street lamps, theaters, hotels, you name it. Scianna said the LED bulbs are far more energy efficient than traditional incandescent bulbs and even beat the compact fluorescent bulbs now being touted by Commonwealth Edison. Scianna, 54, said PolyBrite has developed the first screw-in, white-light bulbs in the typical sizes used in the home, such as the equivalent to 65- and 75-watt bulbs, each using 90 percent less energy than traditional lighting. He said PolyBrite will ship the bulbs in the next 60 days for the office market, and for the home market within the next year. Complete article: http://www.suntimes.com/business/222395,CST-FIN-led22.article Harry On 2/7/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I bought my house I replaced all of them with CF... so I don't have a $$ savings comparison, but I think I've only had one or two go out. Its been 2 years so far. What brand do you buy? I have a few (flood-light style) that have lasted for a while but typically they don't make it even a year for me. Last batch I tried before I gave up on them was a six-pack of GE branded bulbs bought at Sams. Another I don't really like is they take a few minutes to reach full brightness -- turning on my kitchen lights, which are still mostly CF floods in recessed ceiling cans I get a very low illumination initially. Definitely NOT ideal for areas where you need lights for only a few minutes at a time, such as a bathroom. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] if I die, it was nice knowing you all....read link re: KC chemicalplantexplosion
PLEASE! Let's stop this insane gut reaction that terrorism is behind everything that goes boom, burns, or floods. We have enough people in D.C. that we taxpayers are supporting that already do that to excess, so it would be nice to keep it off the M-B nets! Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] if I die,it was nice knowing you allread link re: KC chemicalplantexplosion Terrorists?? On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: plume blowing away from my work and house. good. 1 mile radius evac. Downtown businesses are also suggested to evacuate. highways are packed...the ones that are still open. CM Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As we say at the old Nuke plant, Stay away fron the plume... Bob R - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:01 PM Subject: [MBZ] if I die,it was nice knowing you allread link re: KC chemical plantexplosion http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16645161.htm huge fire, lots of smoke over the city, sirens, helicopters, not good. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
Re: [MBZ] if I die, it was nice knowing you all....read link re: KC chemicalplantexplosion
Fortunately (or unfortunately), Andrew _IS_ one of those guys in DC! On 2/7/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE! Let's stop this insane gut reaction that terrorism is behind everything that goes boom, burns, or floods. We have enough people in D.C. that we taxpayers are supporting that already do that to excess, so it would be nice to keep it off the M-B nets! Werner -- I'm a man but I can change if I have to ... I guess.
Re: [MBZ] M1 Turbo Diesel Truck
Which reminds me, I was at Autozone last night and they once again (still?) had Turbo Diesel Truck 5w40 in stock. It was under $6/qt, 15w50 was just over, like $6.40 or something. I was at Wal-Mart on Sunday, they had just a couple quarts of 15w50 at $6.80/qt or so, no 5qt jugs. In retrospect I should have gone to Autozone Sunday for ATF too, I got Wal-Mart brand for $2.50 a quart which was the cheapest non-Type F (do any newer cars use that stuff?). Autozone had several name brands for $1.50 a quart. This is surely going to help me quit Wal-Mart alltogether. -Curt Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:15:30 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] M1 Turbo Diesel Truck To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Saw it as autozone today in the quart bottles, 6.19 each. The 15W50 or whatever it is extented was like 6.93 I think. The 5qt jugs of the extended at walmart are cheaper. Should be just as good ad the TDT shouldnt it? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 22:11:17 2007 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.224]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEv0W-0001v0-VS for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:11:17 + Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i21so432233wra for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.153.18 with SMTP id a18mr2545293wae.1170886230686; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:10:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.110.5 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:10:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:10:30 -0500 From: Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: [MBZ] gmail post test X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:11:17 - This is a test from a gmail acct. If this posts successfully, I'll cancel my Netzero subscription and use this one for the list. TIA . . . Kaleb Don. Glenn Rochester, NY
[MBZ] Balls unlock car
http://www.break.com/index/unlock_your_car_with_a_tennis_ball.html Not sure this would work on a Benz. She has dented her little red rice burner doing it. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] M1 Turbo Diesel Truck
No. The MB approved oils for your MB diesel are, in decreasing order of desirability: 5w40, what is now called Turbo diesel truck 15w50 0w40 Thats it... -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:19:26 -0500 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 Turbo Diesel Truck To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Also, what about the M1 10w-40 for high mileage engines would this be fine for old Benz' and perhaps offer a slight increase in cranking speed on these 0F days? Levi On 2/7/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saw it as autozone today in the quart bottles, 6.19 each. The 15W50 or whatever it is extented was like 6.93 I think. The 5qt jugs of the extended at walmart are cheaper. Should be just as good ad the TDT shouldnt it? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 07 22:32:54 2007 Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net ([204.127.225.95]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HEvLS-0003VY-76 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:32:54 + Received: from [192.168.1.6] (c-71-199-114-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.199.114.113]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with ESMTP id 20070207223146b1500gaqcue; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:32:06 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:31:40 -0500 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 Turbo Diesel Truck X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:32:55 - Levi Smith wrote: Also, what about the M1 10w-40 for high mileage engines would this be fine for old Benz' and perhaps offer a slight increase in cranking speed on these 0F days? Mobil 10W-40 High Mileage is NOT a group IV synthetic oil (like the Mobil 1 oils) and while it is API CF rated it is NOT approved for Mercedes engines (may not have ever been tested)! http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_Clean_High_Mileage.asp I'd use Delvac 1300 or Chevron Delo 400 if you don't want to use a real synthetic. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[MBZ] OT Re: Balls unlock car
OK, but aside from the incredulousness that this might work at all, i have to wonder; if you can remember to bring your customized tennis ball, why can't you manage to remember your keys,...? ;-* cheers! e Redghost wrote: http://www.break.com/index/unlock_your_car_with_a_tennis_ball.html Not sure this would work on a Benz. She has dented her little red rice burner doing it. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: A Rant on that Global Warming thang
That was my first rant on GW(B?), there were a lot of others before I weighed in with a weighty opinion. I think I have it out of my system, and am searching for life. I found some a little while ago, will keep looking. My point is, I don't think anyone (much less you or me since we are not climatologists) is sure of what the story is, but it ain't just the Euro/US burden if indeed that is where part of the problem lay (in addition to the sun, termites, cow farts, SUVs, temporal distortions, quantum function flux, volcanoes, Chinese CFPPs and whatever else). But it is so much easier to go after that target because most people there have the economic luxury to perhaps actually listen and feel guilty. I am taking a big risk to guess that the average (or even above average) Chinese or Indian could really not care less about the topic as they are too busy trying to enter the first (or second) world and burning that cheap dirty coal is mighty easy to help get them there. So they say GFY with your carbon taxes while we get on with kicking your asses. Algore and everyone else don't even bother to waste their time there, where it might actually have more than a marginal effect on the future, because they know no one will listen to them, much less act on it. Guilt-tripping the haves with a feel-bad story is much easier. That professor guy who wailed on Johnny Carson back in the 60s and 70s about starving in the cold dark (global cooling, limits to growth, overpopulation, nukes) was hailed as a true visionary, even before SUVs, but fortunately for all of us his vision was wrong. I smell the same deal with GW, and a lot of the same zealous followers involved 30-40 years on with the funding solution du jour. But, maybe I'm wrong too. And besides that, bandwidth is struggling to be free! Free the OC3!!! --R (who uses CF bulbs and plants lots of stuff) andrew strasfogel wrote: Rich needs to get a life so he has less time to rant and consume our precious bandwidth. I'm really tired of his global warming diatribes. While we are drawn into a specious debate, glaciers are melting and sea levels rising (though not the fault of the USA or Canada, rest assured!). I do agree that the western world needs to persuade/pressure China and India to step up to the plate now and make some hard choices to rein in their addicton to coal fired power plants.
Re: [MBZ] Balls unlock car
She? Did it hurt? --R Redghost wrote: http://www.break.com/index/unlock_your_car_with_a_tennis_ball.html Not sure this would work on a Benz. She has dented her little red rice burner doing it. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gmail post test
Glenn Brown wrote: This is a test from a gmail acct. If this posts successfully, I'll cancel my Netzero subscription and use this one for the list. TIA . . . Kaleb Don. Glenn YOU GOT IT! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] OT: German Long Hiar Pointers was Shepherds was battery recharge and drivingwiththe lights on
A Border Collie in a NYC apartment isn't the best match. At least he didn't nip at their heels...or their butts after lifting their dresses. My Shepherd goosed a lady at Petsmart the other day as she was reaching for something on the top shelf. Pretty funny. Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't misunderstand me. I appreciate working dogs because I grew up in NYC with a pet BORDER COLLIE, highly intelligent but perhaps the most INappropriate dog to own in a big city apartment building. He used to root up ladies' dreses with his snout thinking he was herding sheep. He also would only drink water from the bathroom sink - nevrr from a bowl or dish. On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann wrote: I only recently started learning about how important dogs have been and can be - it is truly amazing. Germany considers the German Shepherd a national asset - they use them for everything. (Germans invented the seeing eye dog). They now even have cancer detection dogs - sniff urine for prostate cancer, sniff breath for lung cancer, sniff moles and can indicate if they are benign of malignant. Search and Rescue dogs, etc. St. Bernards (avalanche). Natural gas detection dogs are FAR more accurate than the gas detection meter. It really is amazing. Read about medic dogs in the army trained to pull wounded men to cover when they are under fire and can't move due to being shot. Incredible stuff. If I had Paris Hilton's chihuahua Tinkerbell in mind, I might have been tempted to say what you did! :-) Chris andrew strasfogel wrote: I knew my comment would get a rise out of somebody! Good point about the need for work and guide dogs - I hadn't thought of that. My comment was directed more to what I call vanity dogs, those rare and pricey breeds that attract humans (aka owners) who use them as an exotic fashion accessory or lifestyle enhancer. On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann wrote: I do think that adopting a shelter dog is a wonderful thing to do. 3-4 million dogs are euthanized in the US every year, which is a terrible shame. However, it is NOT the only ethical way to acquire a dog. Serious breeders, who are not in it for money, but to continually improve the breed are a great benefit to dogdom and to society. Many dogs are working dogs - they have jobs. If everyone bought from shelters and stopped buying purebred dogs, these breeds would be gone. Herding dogs for farmers, flock protection dogs for ranchers, hunting dogs for all types of hunting, German Shepherds alone are suited to S many useful tasks: seeing eye dogs, police work, seizure detection, blood sugar reminder dogs for diabetics (they smell your sugar level and poke your tummy when you need to eat)many more example could be given. Critter Control in Kansas City uses terriers for their original purpose - killing rats in your house! The various qualities of working breeds must be retained, LITERALLY for the good of society. It's not by accident that dogs were domesticated over 7,000 years ago and have been an important part of society since. They are not just fluffy moving decorations/toys. It used to be that dogs were primarily to do a job. Now most are companions (which is a job too, but different). If you want a companion dog, yeah, seriously check out the local shelter. But to say this is the only ethical way to get a dog is rediculous. I think your concern is much better channelled into encouraging people who have NO BUSINESS breeding dogs to have theirs neutered and spayed. Most dogs end up in shelters because of obedience problems...99% of the time it's the owners fault. In Kansas City, we have a great and inexpensive dog obedience school whose mission is to train owners so that they have well behaved dogs that do not end up in shelters. Chris andrew strasfogel wrote: There is only one ethical way to choose a dog breed: adopt your pet from the local humane society shelter! There are a plethora of sizes, breeds and temperaments to choose from, and the modest adoption fee goes to a good cause. That's where we found Woby, a Tibetan Terrier who had the highest bark to size ratio of any dog in existence to go with his woebegone expression. On 2/7/07, Zoltan Finks wrote: Yes, I would remind that breeds certainly do vary within a breed. The poorer, or the less-focused the breeding program, the more the variance. I include in the category of less-focused those that breed for pets and not for the particular purpose for which the breed was developed. Yes, there are breeds that were developed for no purpose other than to be a pet, and it is harder to find actual proof of the puppy's quality in these cases. As Chris said, there are puppy tests that judge temperament, though I've found a lot of breeders get
Re: [MBZ] if I die, it was nice knowing you all....read link re: KC chemical plant explosion
I want your SD. Levi Smith wrote: Nice knowing you too Chris. Who knows, maybe you'll gain superpowers... Levi Hopefully it's not REALLY that bad and I won't feel bad making those comments... On 2/7/07, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16645161.htm huge fire, lots of smoke over the city, sirens, helicopters, not good. Chris Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2006 GSD, Anke (Yanke von der burg Austerlitz) -2006 GSD, Sammy (Zane von der burg Austerlitz) www.austerlitzshepherds.com -1985 300SD, 219K miles, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K miles, little blue klatter box - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 wheels
If they are the newer style 8 hole wheels and do not need spacers, they are aftermarket. Donald Snook wrote: Someone on the Rusty's MB forum has 126 wheels for sale. They are the 16 inch 8 hole variety. He says that it will not need spacers to fit my car (1990 300SEL). Assuming that is true that I will not need spacers, will this have any other affect on my car - changing from 15 inch to 16 inch. Will this effect the ABS or the speedometer? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 134K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gmail post test
you failed Glenn Brown wrote: This is a test from a gmail acct. If this posts successfully, I'll cancel my Netzero subscription and use this one for the list. TIA . . . Kaleb Don. Glenn Rochester, NY ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gmail post test
see, gmail actually works JUST LIKE EVERYONE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FOR SO LONG! On 2/7/07, Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a test from a gmail acct. If this posts successfully, I'll cancel my Netzero subscription and use this one for the list. TIA . . . Kaleb Don. Glenn Rochester, NY ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
