Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[Hendrik Riessen]

Not really because the new bidder gets a notice to say that his 2500 bid was 
not enough to get top bid.

Then it's time to go up or walk away.

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Ah. That makes sense. The 2500 bid would be the current high bid, but it
would go under the other guy's name. That sounds like it could be 
confusing

to the poor guy who tried to bid 2500.

Brian

Re: [MBZ] Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40

[Wonko the Sane]

Well, that is what is now in my VW Quantum DT ... as of about a half hour
ago. I will switch back to Mobil 1 when the temps drop -- since Delvac 1300
15W-40 has a pour point of -22F (that's getting near to something to be
expected during an Iowa winter).

On 5/22/07, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Delvac 1300 Super is what my friend's mom ran in her 300TD wagon for
250Kmi
until someone  rear-ended her and totaled the car.

On 5/22/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think it flows better than most dino oils, on my 89 300TE I
> experience tappet noise which we decided
> was the mobile 1 15w50 flowing too well and letting the worn lifter
> collapse.
>
> It was switched to QS 15w40 and the noise when away.
>
> I switch it then to delvac 1300 super 15w40 and the noise came back...
> So from that I figured the 1300 just flowed better than the QS.
>
> Had about 400K km on it when I sold it.
>
> On May 22, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Redghost wrote:
>
> > I used it once as a transition oil in Gump going from the sludge when
> > i got it to the second change out a thousand miles later to M1 Truck
> > and SUV.  Worked well to lube what needed and help move the gunk
> > out.  Guess I could have used anything
> >
> > clay
>
> John
> 1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> 1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> 1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[Hans Neureiter]

It goes nowadays a little further than that. You can set a max bid and
it will overbid anything below that, one bid at a time. But now you
have the option to set an amount to slap on a bid at the last second
to exceed it. To me, that is not an auction any longer. Its just plain
supporting creedy lazyy people with more money than brain.

On 5/22/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Not really.  The fellow who is willing to pay $3k is bidding against
a fellow who was only willing to go to $2500.  At auction they would
be indicating to the auctioneer their inclination to go higher, but
the $3k guy would just keep his paddle in the air, such that any bid
that came along would always be superseded by his.  That is until he
chose to lower his paddle, which the fellow at $2500 did when he hit
his max.  Since the other fellow had primacy of bid (first bidder)
even if they both were willing to pay $2500, the first guy would win
the auction.  That would not fly at a live auction unless the first
bidder is absentee and then the auctioneer is taking bids in the name
of the absentee up to and including his full bid, such that the live
person bidding to $2500 would again lose out to the absentee.


On May 22, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

> Ah. That makes sense. The 2500 bid would be the current high bid,
> but it
> would go under the other guy's name. That sounds like it could be
> confusing
> to the poor guy who tried to bid 2500.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 5/22/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> The way I read this: The person who placed the $3,000 maximum will
>> automatically match your 2500 bid, and because he placed his bid
>> first
>> he wins the tie.
>>
>> Caveat, my ebay experience is very limited, I've bought like 4 items
>> on ebay over the last 6 years and never sold anything.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>> "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Okay, I follow, but you lose me when you say that the standing
>>> bid goes
>> up
>>> to 2500. That would mean that the person who bid 2500 would be
>>> the high
>>> bidder and could win the auction if no one bids higher.
>>>
>>> Do you perhaps mean that the system will ask you to bid a set
>>> increment
>>> higher than your attempted bid, until you top the highest max.
>>> bid from
>>> anyone else?
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Hendrick wrote:
>>> For example say you reckon that non turbo 123 is hot stuff and
>>> you bid
>> $2500
>>> and someone has already put in a maximum bid of $3000, then the
>>> standing
>> bid
>>> will go up to $2500. Thus the person who bid $3000 may not have to
>> actually
>>> pay $3000
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Here's a liar on ebay

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no, I mean even slower than that.  It will be geared for the turbo motor

Hendrik Riessen wrote:

Don't be mean, that's all we get over here.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:11 AM
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Oh yea, it definatly does not have a turbo, although it is supposed to. 
 Clearly says turbodiesel on trunk and this is not a euro car so it 
should be turbo.  Looks like motor went bad and they stuck a non turbo 
engine in it.  I bet its REAL slow.




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Re: [MBZ] Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40

[Sunil Hari]

Delvac 1300 Super is what my friend's mom ran in her 300TD wagon for 250Kmi
until someone  rear-ended her and totaled the car.

On 5/22/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think it flows better than most dino oils, on my 89 300TE I
experience tappet noise which we decided
was the mobile 1 15w50 flowing too well and letting the worn lifter
collapse.

It was switched to QS 15w40 and the noise when away.

I switch it then to delvac 1300 super 15w40 and the noise came back...
So from that I figured the 1300 just flowed better than the QS.

Had about 400K km on it when I sold it.

On May 22, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Redghost wrote:

> I used it once as a transition oil in Gump going from the sludge when
> i got it to the second change out a thousand miles later to M1 Truck
> and SUV.  Worked well to lube what needed and help move the gunk
> out.  Guess I could have used anything
>
> clay

John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
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Re: [MBZ] Lousy photography, was: Drool . . . WOW! What a nice car!

[Zoltan Finks]

I think that most of the people that are serious about cars would not be
affected much by photography issues. In fact, lush photos sort of make me
suspicious.

With houses, and with women car buyers, I think photography may be a bigger
issue?

brian


On 5/22/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



You got that right Glenn. When we were looking last year I found that you
couldn't tell ANYTHING about a house from the pictures.

Because of which we ended up looking at 3x as many houses as otherwise
because I knew the pictures told me nothing...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:31:18 -0400
From: "Glenn Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Drool . . . WOW! What a nice car!
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Regarding the Utah 300D you guys have been conversing about, I agree
it's an
extremely nice example but my contribution to the topic has to do with
the
fact that the owner/whoever took the time, etc. to take decent
photographs
and should help immensely in the sale of the car.  The reason I'm
pointing
this out is that, while I've been waiting for my house to sell, I've
been
perusing the I-net for houses in the area where I intend to move and
I'm
astounded at the lousy photography which many realtors apparently deem
acceptable to entice prospective buyers.

G. M. Brown
Rochester, NY


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Re: [MBZ] diesel advantages

[R A Bennell]

What really makes me wonder if anyone pays any attention to this stuff at all, 
is that pretty well all of trucks,
buses, boats, heavy equipment, tractors etc etc etc is diesel. You don't see 
anyone writing articles complaining
about diesel in any of those applications. Why do they find it so offensive for 
us to want diesel cars and light
trucks? I really wish I could buy an F150 with a reasonable diesel. I don't 
really need or want the big stump
pulling F250 with the gigantic diesel. I just want my pickup truck to do a bit 
better on fuel and I think diesel
might be one way for that to happen.

Randy

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Jeff wrote:<>

I think you're right about the meda - they have decided that diesel is the
ultimate EVIL from which no good can ever come.  And they have convinced
CARB - which controls the largest concentrated auto market in the world that
diesel is evil - that diesels good points are miniscule compared to the
evils.  And the worst part is they are basing their prejudice on the older
technology like that found in my 78 240D.  The newer common rail technology
that was introduced in the late 80s IIRC is *much* cleaner than my car.  And
the technology that has been developed since the early 90s is cleaner than
some hybrids.

If only they would have asked *us* before they started passing all those
stupid laws.   ;-)

Take care --

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Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] diesel advantages


> Larry,
>
> I think if you saw everything on offer over here you'd wet yer pants!!
> Honestly!! Anything you want you can get in a diesel variant!
>
> The C class starts with the C220 CDI, then  goes up but the 220 is plenty
> fast enoughevery day I drove by E220 CDi's, ML's, CLS's, G's ...almost
> every Ford, Chrysler, Land Rover, Jeep, Citroen, and on and on is a
> diesel!
>
> I feel for the guy I bought my Audi A4 diesel fromhe used to drive a
> Cherokee gas version and was getting 15 MPG with it and gas is $8 a
> gallon!
> Obviously more money than brains!
>
>
> It's infuriating to think that all these manufacturers seel bazillions of
> these cars over here and they think the US won't buy themhorseshit!
> Try
> getting a VW diesel anywhere right nowthey can't keep them on the lot!
>
> The problem is the manufacturers and media, NOT the public!
>
> Maybe I should become the next diesel anti-hero.hmmm..
>
>
> Jeff Zedic
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[MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 115 300D into 123?

[Loren Faeth]

Building a frankenbenz

Last weekend I started the project of stripping my 76 300D (115 
body).  The engine and transmission are really good, but the body had 
rotted away.  I have been pondering the swap into my 80 240D 
(123)  as I was lifting the engine out, I found the oil filter is 
near the front of the IP, not at the back of the engine as in the 
older and newer engines.  Anyone BTDT?  It looks like the engine 
might fit, if I use the old style PS pump on the engine, with remote 
reservoir.  That means that I'd either have to use the york 
compressor, or  do without A/c.  I despise the york bracket, because 
you have to take it off to get to a lot of stuff. I had planned to 
fit the 240Ds accessory bracket (A/C & PS) to the other engine.


Has anyone ever put a 115 engine into a 123 body?
Can anyone tell me if the differential and axles from the 115 will 
fit on the 123?

Has anyone got a junker 123 300D with a good engine?

I am going to be listing a bunch of parts for sale in the next few 
weeks, if you have a 114/115/108, you might watch for it.


Loren
76 300D junker
80 240D needing an engine
81 240D
and lotsa others



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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Hybrids

[Mitch Haley]

Levi Smith wrote:
> 
> I think the VX was around 40-50mpg...  It seemed like fuel efficient V-tec
> step up from the CRX HF which was around 40mpg...

HF and VX both had mid-50's EPA highway.
HF could top 60mpg at 60-65mph in real life, VX could not.

Re: [MBZ] Front end to indy What to look out for

[LarryT]

Allan is right about the alignment - it must be done in 3 planes at once as 
I was told.


A rebuilt steering box is usually a cost effective option.

If you attempt to adjust the box, the ajusting screw turns opposite what 
you;d expect.  Loosen the lock nu and turn the screw counter-clockwise a 1/2 
turn - then drive it to see how it feels.  But Marshall used to say the flex 
disk in the steering shaft (just above the s. box)  that usually goes 1st. 
Take a look -- it's a hard rubber donut made of of old tires I believe. 
Have someone turn the wheel back and forth slightly while looking for 
flexing.  *Any* movement means replace it.


Creaking can also be caused by bad shocks - they'll cause bad tire wear 
also.  But the alignment should be checked.  Don't discount the little ships 
without checking them out.  I found a little hole-in-the-wall place that 
does super service on my 911 and 240D/.  Prices are right also. Did a 4 
wheel alignment on my 911 for $70 IIRC.


Also, take a look at any rubber components in the suspension - theres 
several bushings on each side - parts are not very expensive but labor can 
be time consuming -


Good luck -

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"Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


The problem with the car is that the steering is very loose
(surprise), but there is also a creeking coming from the driver
front that has gotten so loud that it is embarassing. Just creaks
with every bump or dip in the road.


Some slop in the steering is normal.  This is not a rack and pinion
system.  There is an adjustment on the steering box that can tighten
things up, but as I understand it if you overtighten it will just
accelerate the wear of the mechanism.  If things are already worn past
the point of correction by the adjustment, a good used steering box
may be an economical option.

I think the alignment is a bit different on these cars -- to do it
properly I think some kind of spacer/spreader bar needs to be used.
But I'm a little unsure of myself there.

Creaking -- my car does that too, a bit.  I think it's the "brake
support" rods but again I'm uncertain.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[andrew strasfogel]

Ubid.com does not sell Mercedes cars or parts so is ebay the only game in
town?



On 5/22/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Not really.  The fellow who is willing to pay $3k is bidding against
a fellow who was only willing to go to $2500.  At auction they would
be indicating to the auctioneer their inclination to go higher, but
the $3k guy would just keep his paddle in the air, such that any bid
that came along would always be superseded by his.  That is until he
chose to lower his paddle, which the fellow at $2500 did when he hit
his max.  Since the other fellow had primacy of bid (first bidder)
even if they both were willing to pay $2500, the first guy would win
the auction.  That would not fly at a live auction unless the first
bidder is absentee and then the auctioneer is taking bids in the name
of the absentee up to and including his full bid, such that the live
person bidding to $2500 would again lose out to the absentee.


On May 22, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

> Ah. That makes sense. The 2500 bid would be the current high bid,
> but it
> would go under the other guy's name. That sounds like it could be
> confusing
> to the poor guy who tried to bid 2500.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 5/22/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> The way I read this: The person who placed the $3,000 maximum will
>> automatically match your 2500 bid, and because he placed his bid
>> first
>> he wins the tie.
>>
>> Caveat, my ebay experience is very limited, I've bought like 4 items
>> on ebay over the last 6 years and never sold anything.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>> "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Okay, I follow, but you lose me when you say that the standing
>>> bid goes
>> up
>>> to 2500. That would mean that the person who bid 2500 would be
>>> the high
>>> bidder and could win the auction if no one bids higher.
>>>
>>> Do you perhaps mean that the system will ask you to bid a set
>>> increment
>>> higher than your attempted bid, until you top the highest max.
>>> bid from
>>> anyone else?
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Hendrick wrote:
>>> For example say you reckon that non turbo 123 is hot stuff and
>>> you bid
>> $2500
>>> and someone has already put in a maximum bid of $3000, then the
>>> standing
>> bid
>>> will go up to $2500. Thus the person who bid $3000 may not have to
>> actually
>>> pay $3000
>>
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Re: [MBZ] oh the humanity!

[Wonko the Sane]

I can't be 100% certain, but that vehicle bears a strong resemblance to
MMM's previous ride.

On 5/22/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


We must mount a rescue mission!






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Re: [MBZ] Experiences with Powder Coating Wheels

[Redghost]

I think Eastlake has some good powder colors in their catalogue.   
Also get to see more of that great car refurb porn while leafing  
through.


clay

On May 22, 2007, at 11:53 AM, ANGELO GIAIMO wrote:

If you powder coat, make sure you pick a color that's close enough  
to OEM.
(BTW, does anyone know of a good mfg/color for powder coating  
wheels to
look like OEM?)  Sandblasting, filling powercoating 5 wheels and 20  
lugs

cost $300.

Did mine on my 126. 20 (?) hole rims and although the color I  
picked looks

silver enough,  on the car they look grey.  Two other modifications
involved fixing the hub clearance so the wheel would fit on the hub  
and

cutting down the center caps on a lathe to fit the opening,  since the
center hole was slightly smaller.   Also, my powder coater did the  
ends of

the lug bolts.  First few times I took the wheels off, I cracked the
coating on several lugs, then switched to a larger 6 point socket  
and lined

it with duct tape.  Works fine.

Yah, the color is not OEM, but most people don't seem to notice.  
(But I

do.)

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Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts

[Redghost]

I think the question was "most correctest manner to skin this cat"  
not that two good cans of rattle spray are not the most expeditious.   
That is a very quick and effective way to solve the issue.


clay

On May 22, 2007, at 11:24 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

For those of us who are anally challenged, a scrubbing followed by  
two coats
of Rustoleum Aluminum paint yields exceedingly nice - and cost  
effective -

results.

On 5/22/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Griots Garage has a IIRC $50 package that will finish four wheels.
You are supplies a cleaner, some instructions, a can of primer, two
cans of color, and two cans of clear.  I am very happy with the
outcome I got, but you really need to do exceedingly good prep.

If you are able to hit your local rattle can shop, that formula of
primer, color and coat will serve you fine.  Some cans are even
labeled wheel paint and come in a close enough grey.  Where you will
really see issues is with the stupid lug bolt heads and the caps.  Go
all out on prep there.

If you get lucky and have a spare wheel in the trunk that has never
seen the road, use that as a reference point. I pick one up at PnP
and was able to go to Home Depot and sourced some rattle cans for the
after-market pseudo bundts I refurbed.

clay



On May 22, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Mike Canfield wrote:


Heck, I could do them painted for less than $100I better
hit the
pick and pull..What would be the proper paint to use?  I mean,
to be
correct for a restoration..

Mike
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts



I believe they;re available for around $100-$130 in many places -
but tha
might be exch at some places.  and those are painted - chromed
ones (yuck)
and around $180.

If you sell them fr $100 that;s probably a good price - make sure
you have
some profit built in. Many suggest 30% or so -

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts



So, What is the finish on the Bundts?  Is it paint or
powdercoating?  A
friend of mine has a whole stack of them I was wondering about
restoring
and
reselling.  I have podercoating equipment and a bead blast setup
available
to use.
 Done right, looking new, would they be worth $100 each,
outright, with
no
core charge, to anyone?  I've been thinking of buying the
equipment for
myself but haven't been sure if I could make it pay for itself.

Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...


I spent a few minutes with them today.  Does not seem to be  
bubbles

from behind, as there is no great dimensionality that goes to
depth.
It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least
the
one bit I worked on.



On May 20, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


YEP, you can send your scruffy bundts to Performance Products
and get
a set of shiny wheels back.  Something like $400 for the  
pleasure


They will not accept chromed wheels as cores.

Your 'pitting' looked an awful lot like bubbling from behind.
That, I've seen.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] oh the humanity!

[Redghost]

We must mount a rescue mission!

Surely we can save her with some of the flyboys on this list.  Storm  
in there and swiftly get her to America where she will be safe.



On May 22, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Wonko the Sane wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[Redghost]

Not really.  The fellow who is willing to pay $3k is bidding against  
a fellow who was only willing to go to $2500.  At auction they would  
be indicating to the auctioneer their inclination to go higher, but  
the $3k guy would just keep his paddle in the air, such that any bid  
that came along would always be superseded by his.  That is until he  
chose to lower his paddle, which the fellow at $2500 did when he hit  
his max.  Since the other fellow had primacy of bid (first bidder)  
even if they both were willing to pay $2500, the first guy would win  
the auction.  That would not fly at a live auction unless the first  
bidder is absentee and then the auctioneer is taking bids in the name  
of the absentee up to and including his full bid, such that the live  
person bidding to $2500 would again lose out to the absentee.



On May 22, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

Ah. That makes sense. The 2500 bid would be the current high bid,  
but it
would go under the other guy's name. That sounds like it could be  
confusing

to the poor guy who tried to bid 2500.

Brian


On 5/22/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The way I read this: The person who placed the $3,000 maximum will
automatically match your 2500 bid, and because he placed his bid  
first

he wins the tie.

Caveat, my ebay experience is very limited, I've bought like 4 items
on ebay over the last 6 years and never sold anything.

Allan

"Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Okay, I follow, but you lose me when you say that the standing  
bid goes

up
to 2500. That would mean that the person who bid 2500 would be  
the high

bidder and could win the auction if no one bids higher.

Do you perhaps mean that the system will ask you to bid a set  
increment
higher than your attempted bid, until you top the highest max.  
bid from

anyone else?

Brian

Hendrick wrote:
For example say you reckon that non turbo 123 is hot stuff and  
you bid

$2500
and someone has already put in a maximum bid of $3000, then the  
standing

bid

will go up to $2500. Thus the person who bid $3000 may not have to

actually

pay $3000


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Re: [MBZ] Front end to indy What to look out for

[Allan Streib]

"Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The problem with the car is that the steering is very loose
> (surprise), but there is also a creeking coming from the driver
> front that has gotten so loud that it is embarassing. Just creaks
> with every bump or dip in the road.

Some slop in the steering is normal.  This is not a rack and pinion
system.  There is an adjustment on the steering box that can tighten
things up, but as I understand it if you overtighten it will just
accelerate the wear of the mechanism.  If things are already worn past
the point of correction by the adjustment, a good used steering box
may be an economical option.

I think the alignment is a bit different on these cars -- to do it
properly I think some kind of spacer/spreader bar needs to be used.
But I'm a little unsure of myself there.

Creaking -- my car does that too, a bit.  I think it's the "brake
support" rods but again I'm uncertain.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] fuel mileage was Re: Now, a liar on craigslist...

[Zoltan Finks]

Interesting: I was thinking about sharing with y'all the mileage I have
recently gotten in my '83 240D: 32.6 mpg. - on a mix of maybe 60 - 75%
highway and the rest pretty much city. Needless to say, I'm tickled.

And the engine is pretty peppy. Guess I got a good used engine from TriStar
Auto, or whatever they're called.

All this despite that fact that the car cracks and pops and pings and nails
and hesitates when cold. Hmmm.

Brian
83 240D


On 5/22/07, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Curt wrote:



"The best I got with my '83 240D was 28mpg. I think it was happiest
between 60 and 65mph which seems to be about the same as my 190D."



The best I ever got in my (now OK Don's) 1990 300D 2.5 was 34 mpg. That
was exclusively highway miles.  Most of the time it was more like 29-31.




I once got 35 mpg in my 1990 Oldsmobile 88.  When I say once, I mean one
tank - it was a long highway trip. I was following someone that kept it
at 60-65 mph for miles and miles.   I know that sounds crazy to get that
in an Oldsmobile, but there was something about the 3800 engine in 1990
that was especially efficient.  I usually got about 31 mpg. I never
could get that in my 1987 Oldsmobile 98 or in my 1992 Olds 98.



My brother has a 1973 Cadillac Sedan Deville.  It has a 472 in it.  He
gets about 7-8 mpg.





Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K

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[MBZ] Front end to indy What to look out for

[Zoltan Finks]

I have an appointment to take the 240D in to a mechanic that I was referred
to second-hand. It is a front end shop - that's all they do. But I am not
sure if he deals with many German cars. It's rural Minnesota, so I doubt it.

I did call the shop in town that specializes in Audis, Volvos, etc., but
they really don't like to work on older cars (the service receptionist
actually asked what kind of shape the car was in - seemed an inappropriate
question). And I called another place that does imports - a friend just
bought a VW bus from the guy. But this guy shyed away from working on my '83
also. I've never heard of such things - turning away work like this.

But I wanted to ask you guys what I should look out for with this front end
guy. I'm hoping I'll be able to sort of be there as the guy puts it up on
the lift - sounds like a smaller shop.

The problem with the car is that the steering is very loose (surprise), but
there is also a creeking coming from the driver front that has gotten so
loud that it is embarassing. Just creaks with every bump or dip in the road.
The tires have not been wearing very unevenly in the 7k or so miles we have
put on the car, but maybe they have good treadwear qualities - michelins.

Thanks,
Brian
83 240D

Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts

[LarryT]

The official pain is the Wurth Silver and Wurth Clear Coat.  Many others 
have had good experiences with other paints like Krylon, etc.   BTW, I 
believe used wheels are around $50 - so if people pay $100 they're paying 
another $50 for blasting and painting or powder coating.


The Powder coat is probably preferred by many people.

Good luck -

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts



Heck, I could do them painted for less than $100I better hit the
pick and pull..What would be the proper paint to use?  I mean, to be
correct for a restoration..

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts



I believe they;re available for around $100-$130 in many places - but tha
might be exch at some places.  and those are painted - chromed ones 
(yuck)

and around $180.

If you sell them fr $100 that;s probably a good price - make sure you 
have

some profit built in. Many suggest 30% or so -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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From: "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts



So, What is the finish on the Bundts?  Is it paint or powdercoating?  A
friend of mine has a whole stack of them I was wondering about restoring
and
reselling.  I have podercoating equipment and a bead blast setup
available
to use.
 Done right, looking new, would they be worth $100 each, outright, with
no
core charge, to anyone?  I've been thinking of buying the equipment for
myself but haven't been sure if I could make it pay for itself.

Mike
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From: "Redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...



I spent a few minutes with them today.  Does not seem to be bubbles
from behind, as there is no great dimensionality that goes to depth.
It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least the
one bit I worked on.



On May 20, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


YEP, you can send your scruffy bundts to Performance Products and get
a set of shiny wheels back.  Something like $400 for the pleasure


They will not accept chromed wheels as cores.

Your 'pitting' looked an awful lot like bubbling from behind.
That, I've seen.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] Experiences with Powder Coating Wheels

[ANGELO GIAIMO]

If you powder coat, make sure you pick a color that's close enough to OEM.
(BTW, does anyone know of a good mfg/color for powder coating wheels to
look like OEM?)  Sandblasting, filling powercoating 5 wheels and 20 lugs
cost $300.

Did mine on my 126. 20 (?) hole rims and although the color I picked looks
silver enough,  on the car they look grey.  Two other modifications
involved fixing the hub clearance so the wheel would fit on the hub and
cutting down the center caps on a lathe to fit the opening,  since the
center hole was slightly smaller.   Also, my powder coater did the ends of
the lug bolts.  First few times I took the wheels off, I cracked the
coating on several lugs, then switched to a larger 6 point socket and lined
it with duct tape.  Works fine.

Yah, the color is not OEM, but most people don't seem to notice. (But I
do.)

Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS
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[MBZ] fuel mileage was Re: Now, a liar on craigslist...

[Donald Snook]

Curt wrote: 

 

"The best I got with my '83 240D was 28mpg. I think it was happiest
between 60 and 65mph which seems to be about the same as my 190D." 

 

The best I ever got in my (now OK Don's) 1990 300D 2.5 was 34 mpg. That
was exclusively highway miles.  Most of the time it was more like 29-31.


 

I once got 35 mpg in my 1990 Oldsmobile 88.  When I say once, I mean one
tank - it was a long highway trip. I was following someone that kept it
at 60-65 mph for miles and miles.   I know that sounds crazy to get that
in an Oldsmobile, but there was something about the 3800 engine in 1990
that was especially efficient.  I usually got about 31 mpg. I never
could get that in my 1987 Oldsmobile 98 or in my 1992 Olds 98.  

 

My brother has a 1973 Cadillac Sedan Deville.  It has a 472 in it.  He
gets about 7-8 mpg. 

 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K 

Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts

[andrew strasfogel]

For those of us who are anally challenged, a scrubbing followed by two coats
of Rustoleum Aluminum paint yields exceedingly nice - and cost effective -
results.

On 5/22/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Griots Garage has a IIRC $50 package that will finish four wheels.
You are supplies a cleaner, some instructions, a can of primer, two
cans of color, and two cans of clear.  I am very happy with the
outcome I got, but you really need to do exceedingly good prep.

If you are able to hit your local rattle can shop, that formula of
primer, color and coat will serve you fine.  Some cans are even
labeled wheel paint and come in a close enough grey.  Where you will
really see issues is with the stupid lug bolt heads and the caps.  Go
all out on prep there.

If you get lucky and have a spare wheel in the trunk that has never
seen the road, use that as a reference point. I pick one up at PnP
and was able to go to Home Depot and sourced some rattle cans for the
after-market pseudo bundts I refurbed.

clay



On May 22, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Mike Canfield wrote:

> Heck, I could do them painted for less than $100I better
> hit the
> pick and pull..What would be the proper paint to use?  I mean,
> to be
> correct for a restoration..
>
> Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts
>
>
>> I believe they;re available for around $100-$130 in many places -
>> but tha
>> might be exch at some places.  and those are painted - chromed
>> ones (yuck)
>> and around $180.
>>
>> If you sell them fr $100 that;s probably a good price - make sure
>> you have
>> some profit built in. Many suggest 30% or so -
>>
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
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>> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
>> .
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts
>>
>>
>>> So, What is the finish on the Bundts?  Is it paint or
>>> powdercoating?  A
>>> friend of mine has a whole stack of them I was wondering about
>>> restoring
>>> and
>>> reselling.  I have podercoating equipment and a bead blast setup
>>> available
>>> to use.
>>>  Done right, looking new, would they be worth $100 each,
>>> outright, with
>>> no
>>> core charge, to anyone?  I've been thinking of buying the
>>> equipment for
>>> myself but haven't been sure if I could make it pay for itself.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...
>>>
>>>
 I spent a few minutes with them today.  Does not seem to be bubbles
 from behind, as there is no great dimensionality that goes to
 depth.
 It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least
 the
 one bit I worked on.



 On May 20, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> YEP, you can send your scruffy bundts to Performance Products
>> and get
>> a set of shiny wheels back.  Something like $400 for the pleasure
>
> They will not accept chromed wheels as cores.
>
> Your 'pitting' looked an awful lot like bubbling from behind.
> That, I've seen.
>
> -- Jim
>

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[MBZ] oh the humanity!

[Wonko the Sane]

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Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[John M McIntosh]

The problem with setting a maximum, is that in a situation where you  
have a dishonest seller who
is using a "Shill" bidder account/friend/etc is that the bid price  
gets driven up to or near your maximum.
Even if it goes over your max, perhaps you'll get that offer of a  
second chance using your max bid price.


Thus the price you pay can be much higher than what would be paided  
by snip bidding.


On May 22, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Allan Streib wrote:


The way I read this: The person who placed the $3,000 maximum will
automatically match your 2500 bid, and because he placed his bid first
he wins the tie.

Caveat, my ebay experience is very limited, I've bought like 4 items
on ebay over the last 6 years and never sold anything.

Allan


John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[Zoltan Finks]

Ah. That makes sense. The 2500 bid would be the current high bid, but it
would go under the other guy's name. That sounds like it could be confusing
to the poor guy who tried to bid 2500.

Brian


On 5/22/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The way I read this: The person who placed the $3,000 maximum will
automatically match your 2500 bid, and because he placed his bid first
he wins the tie.

Caveat, my ebay experience is very limited, I've bought like 4 items
on ebay over the last 6 years and never sold anything.

Allan

"Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Okay, I follow, but you lose me when you say that the standing bid goes
up
> to 2500. That would mean that the person who bid 2500 would be the high
> bidder and could win the auction if no one bids higher.
>
> Do you perhaps mean that the system will ask you to bid a set increment
> higher than your attempted bid, until you top the highest max. bid from
> anyone else?
>
> Brian
>
> Hendrick wrote:
> For example say you reckon that non turbo 123 is hot stuff and you bid
$2500
> and someone has already put in a maximum bid of $3000, then the standing
bid
> will go up to $2500. Thus the person who bid $3000 may not have to
actually
> pay $3000

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Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[Wonko the Sane]

Exactly.

On 5/22/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The way I read this: The person who placed the $3,000 maximum will
automatically match your 2500 bid, and because he placed his bid first
he wins the tie.





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Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[Allan Streib]

The way I read this: The person who placed the $3,000 maximum will
automatically match your 2500 bid, and because he placed his bid first
he wins the tie.

Caveat, my ebay experience is very limited, I've bought like 4 items
on ebay over the last 6 years and never sold anything.

Allan

"Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Okay, I follow, but you lose me when you say that the standing bid goes up
> to 2500. That would mean that the person who bid 2500 would be the high
> bidder and could win the auction if no one bids higher.
>
> Do you perhaps mean that the system will ask you to bid a set increment
> higher than your attempted bid, until you top the highest max. bid from
> anyone else?
>
> Brian
>
> Hendrick wrote:
> For example say you reckon that non turbo 123 is hot stuff and you bid $2500
> and someone has already put in a maximum bid of $3000, then the standing bid
> will go up to $2500. Thus the person who bid $3000 may not have to actually
> pay $3000

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Re: [MBZ] Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40

[John M McIntosh]

I think it flows better than most dino oils, on my 89 300TE I  
experience tappet noise which we decided
was the mobile 1 15w50 flowing too well and letting the worn lifter  
collapse.


It was switched to QS 15w40 and the noise when away.

I switch it then to delvac 1300 super 15w40 and the noise came back...
So from that I figured the 1300 just flowed better than the QS.

Had about 400K km on it when I sold it.

On May 22, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Redghost wrote:


I used it once as a transition oil in Gump going from the sludge when
i got it to the second change out a thousand miles later to M1 Truck
and SUV.  Worked well to lube what needed and help move the gunk
out.  Guess I could have used anything

clay


John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[Zoltan Finks]

Okay, I follow, but you lose me when you say that the standing bid goes up
to 2500. That would mean that the person who bid 2500 would be the high
bidder and could win the auction if no one bids higher.

Do you perhaps mean that the system will ask you to bid a set increment
higher than your attempted bid, until you top the highest max. bid from
anyone else?

Brian

Hendrick wrote:
For example say you reckon that non turbo 123 is hot stuff and you bid $2500
and someone has already put in a maximum bid of $3000, then the standing bid
will go up to $2500. Thus the person who bid $3000 may not have to actually
pay $3000

Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Curt Raymond]

The best I got with my '83 240D was 28mpg. I think it was happiest between 60 
and 65mph which seems to be about the same as my 190D.

I think my average was something like 25mpg but I'd have to check.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:32:16 -0400 (EDT)
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Gump is a 220D, right? We can't seem to break out of the 22 - 24 mpg 
range
with out '79 240D. The driving isn't highway, more like secondary 2 
lane
roads with a 45 - 55 mph range for the limit.

What do you get when you drive it around town?

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You got that right Glenn. When we were looking last year I found that you 
couldn't tell ANYTHING about a house from the pictures.

Because of which we ended up looking at 3x as many houses as otherwise because 
I knew the pictures told me nothing...

-Curt

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Regarding the Utah 300D you guys have been conversing about, I agree 
it's an
extremely nice example but my contribution to the topic has to do with 
the
fact that the owner/whoever took the time, etc. to take decent 
photographs
and should help immensely in the sale of the car.  The reason I'm 
pointing
this out is that, while I've been waiting for my house to sell, I've 
been
perusing the I-net for houses in the area where I intend to move and 
I'm
astounded at the lousy photography which many realtors apparently deem
acceptable to entice prospective buyers.

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Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts

[Redghost]

Griots Garage has a IIRC $50 package that will finish four wheels.   
You are supplies a cleaner, some instructions, a can of primer, two  
cans of color, and two cans of clear.  I am very happy with the  
outcome I got, but you really need to do exceedingly good prep.


If you are able to hit your local rattle can shop, that formula of  
primer, color and coat will serve you fine.  Some cans are even  
labeled wheel paint and come in a close enough grey.  Where you will  
really see issues is with the stupid lug bolt heads and the caps.  Go  
all out on prep there.


If you get lucky and have a spare wheel in the trunk that has never  
seen the road, use that as a reference point. I pick one up at PnP  
and was able to go to Home Depot and sourced some rattle cans for the  
after-market pseudo bundts I refurbed.


clay



On May 22, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Mike Canfield wrote:

Heck, I could do them painted for less than $100I better  
hit the
pick and pull..What would be the proper paint to use?  I mean,  
to be

correct for a restoration..

Mike
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I believe they;re available for around $100-$130 in many places -  
but tha
might be exch at some places.  and those are painted - chromed  
ones (yuck)

and around $180.

If you sell them fr $100 that;s probably a good price - make sure  
you have

some profit built in. Many suggest 30% or so -

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts


So, What is the finish on the Bundts?  Is it paint or  
powdercoating?  A
friend of mine has a whole stack of them I was wondering about  
restoring

and
reselling.  I have podercoating equipment and a bead blast setup
available
to use.
 Done right, looking new, would they be worth $100 each,  
outright, with

no
core charge, to anyone?  I've been thinking of buying the  
equipment for

myself but haven't been sure if I could make it pay for itself.

Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:00 PM
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I spent a few minutes with them today.  Does not seem to be bubbles
from behind, as there is no great dimensionality that goes to  
depth.
It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least  
the

one bit I worked on.



On May 20, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

YEP, you can send your scruffy bundts to Performance Products  
and get

a set of shiny wheels back.  Something like $400 for the pleasure


They will not accept chromed wheels as cores.

Your 'pitting' looked an awful lot like bubbling from behind.
That, I've seen.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40

[Redghost]

I used it once as a transition oil in Gump going from the sludge when  
i got it to the second change out a thousand miles later to M1 Truck  
and SUV.  Worked well to lube what needed and help move the gunk  
out.  Guess I could have used anything


clay

On May 22, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Wonko the Sane wrote:

Anyone have experience with this oil?  It would be going onto my VW  
diesel,

not the Benz.

Loren: ask me some time about the drain plug fiasco!


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Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Redghost]

For some reason the 240 is a dog in all areas except if it has a  
manual 4 speed.  Not sure what that is all about, but could be that  
extra weight the w123 carries that Gump does not.


Around down I am doing your 22-25 mpg.  I try not to be in town more  
than I need to and use her on higher speed roads to get the most bang  
for the tank of fuel.



On May 22, 2007, at 5:32 AM, Kevin J. Slater wrote:

Gump is a 220D, right? We can't seem to break out of the 22 - 24  
mpg range
with out '79 240D. The driving isn't highway, more like secondary 2  
lane

roads with a 45 - 55 mph range for the limit.

What do you get when you drive it around town?

...Kevin


Redghost said:

Gump uses excess gravity, astoglide, and a tail wind.  She is able to
get up to 31mpg.  Not every day, but at speed for hours on end.

On May 21, 2007, at 6:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


i'm amazed by how many of these OM61x cars are advertised as
getting 40+mpg
per gallon.  i've owned a number for them and have always been
between 20
and 25mpg.  maybe they are harnessing the power of magnetism or
something
like that?

On 5/21/07, Tony Wirtel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior
shots...

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html

Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.

Tony Wirtel


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Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts

[Redghost]

I would jump on the powder coat idea.  Bead blast the old stuff off  
with glass bead or low abrasive, since the bundts are easy to pock  
mark with gritty abrasives.  Wash and dry, then coat and cook.  Make  
yourself a bunch of wheels, enough to buy a benz you want.


Normal refurb for the bundts is to strip them, then do a primer coat  
or two, two or three base coats, a finish coat, then two clears.  At  
least that is the process Griots Garage has for their wheel refurb  
kit I used.





On May 22, 2007, at 5:10 AM, Mike Canfield wrote:

So, What is the finish on the Bundts?  Is it paint or  
powdercoating?  A
friend of mine has a whole stack of them I was wondering about  
restoring and
reselling.  I have podercoating equipment and a bead blast setup  
available

to use.
  Done right, looking new, would they be worth $100 each, outright,  
with no
core charge, to anyone?  I've been thinking of buying the equipment  
for

myself but haven't been sure if I could make it pay for itself.

Mike
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From: "Redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...



I spent a few minutes with them today.  Does not seem to be bubbles
from behind, as there is no great dimensionality that goes to depth.
It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least the
one bit I worked on.



On May 20, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

YEP, you can send your scruffy bundts to Performance Products  
and get

a set of shiny wheels back.  Something like $400 for the pleasure


They will not accept chromed wheels as cores.

Your 'pitting' looked an awful lot like bubbling from behind.
That, I've seen.

-- Jim



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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...

[Redghost]

Always happens that way.  Was coming down cats and dogs yesterday, so  
did not get too deep into the job.  Guess I have to at least get them  
presentable for listing on CL.


clay

On May 21, 2007, at 10:19 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least the
one bit I worked on.


Now you did it!  Now you have to finish the job.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts

[Mike Canfield]

Heck, I could do them painted for less than $100I better hit the 
pick and pull..What would be the proper paint to use?  I mean, to be 
correct for a restoration..


Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts



I believe they;re available for around $100-$130 in many places - but tha
might be exch at some places.  and those are painted - chromed ones (yuck)
and around $180.

If you sell them fr $100 that;s probably a good price - make sure you have
some profit built in. Many suggest 30% or so -

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts



So, What is the finish on the Bundts?  Is it paint or powdercoating?  A
friend of mine has a whole stack of them I was wondering about restoring
and
reselling.  I have podercoating equipment and a bead blast setup 
available

to use.
 Done right, looking new, would they be worth $100 each, outright, with 
no

core charge, to anyone?  I've been thinking of buying the equipment for
myself but haven't been sure if I could make it pay for itself.

Mike
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From: "Redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...



I spent a few minutes with them today.  Does not seem to be bubbles
from behind, as there is no great dimensionality that goes to depth.
It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least the
one bit I worked on.



On May 20, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


YEP, you can send your scruffy bundts to Performance Products and get
a set of shiny wheels back.  Something like $400 for the pleasure


They will not accept chromed wheels as cores.

Your 'pitting' looked an awful lot like bubbling from behind.
That, I've seen.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40

[Wonko the Sane]

1982 Quantum DT. Owner's manual pretty much says, "Pour in whatever you
want, depending on the weather."

On 5/22/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



What is your VW?  If it's a TDI, I'd stay with a synthetic Mobil 1 or
whatever VW recommends.





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Re: [MBZ] Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40

[Allan Streib]

"Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Anyone have experience with this oil?  It would be going onto my VW
> diesel, not the Benz.

What is your VW?  If it's a TDI, I'd stay with a synthetic Mobil 1 or
whatever VW recommends.

If it's for an older VW diesel it's likely just fine.  I also like
Cheveron Delo, you can often pick up a 6 gallon case at [Sams|Costco]
for a good price.

Lots of people like Rotella but I've heard it's really a pretty
average oil -- nothing special other than being diesel rated.

-- 
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1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40

[John Robbins]

John Robbins wrote:

Wonko the Sane wrote:

Anyone have experience with this oil?  It would be going onto my VW diesel,
not the Benz.


It is one of the best non-synthetic oils out there.


I just realized who sent this.  Come on now...  you know that already.

Re: [MBZ] Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40

[John M McIntosh]

I've ran this in my 300TE, it's a fine dino oil, however what's  
important here is what

VW rating is needed.

also see

http://tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-4.html

On May 22, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Wonko the Sane wrote:

Anyone have experience with this oil?  It would be going onto my VW  
diesel,

not the Benz.

Loren: ask me some time about the drain plug fiasco!


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Re: [MBZ] Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40

[Gary Hurst]

you are really sick in the head, corporal, to even be concerned.

oh, dear, um, wrong list again!

On 5/22/07, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Anyone have experience with this oil?  It would be going onto my VW diesel,
not the Benz.

Loren: ask me some time about the drain plug fiasco!


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Re: [MBZ] Off-Topic NON-MB crack user

[Gary Hurst]

now that was a car!  haven't seen one on the road in ages.

it's hard to say what someone will pay for a car that is really in #1
condition, as any old car that is in brand new condition is an extreme
rarity.  if you move the right rich guy, a like new chevette might
even fetch 5 figures.

On 5/22/07, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 5/21/07, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This seller says his 1990 Oldsmobile Toronado with 250,000 miles is in
> #1 show condition and was appraised for $13,500.   Only a crack smoker
> would think that, but how much crack do you have to smoke to not even
> include a picture of your supposed #1 Show winner.
>
>

Maybe if it were a '66-68 (first generation with the popup headlights,
the one that creamed the competition every year someone ran one in the
Pikes Peak Rally).

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

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Re: [MBZ] Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40

[John Robbins]

Wonko the Sane wrote:

Anyone have experience with this oil?  It would be going onto my VW diesel,
not the Benz.


It is one of the best non-synthetic oils out there.

[MBZ] Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40

[Wonko the Sane]

Anyone have experience with this oil?  It would be going onto my VW diesel,
not the Benz.

Loren: ask me some time about the drain plug fiasco!


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Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 5/21/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least the
> one bit I worked on.

Now you did it!  Now you have to finish the job.



Hard to believe there's a little girl under all that dirt.

Alex Chamberlain

Re: [MBZ] Off-Topic NON-MB crack user

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 5/21/07, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This seller says his 1990 Oldsmobile Toronado with 250,000 miles is in
#1 show condition and was appraised for $13,500.   Only a crack smoker
would think that, but how much crack do you have to smoke to not even
include a picture of your supposed #1 Show winner.




Maybe if it were a '66-68 (first generation with the popup headlights,
the one that creamed the competition every year someone ran one in the
Pikes Peak Rally).

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts

[LarryT]

I believe they;re available for around $100-$130 in many places - but tha 
might be exch at some places.  and those are painted - chromed ones (yuck) 
and around $180.


If you sell them fr $100 that;s probably a good price - make sure you have 
some profit built in. Many suggest 30% or so -


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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:10 AM
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So, What is the finish on the Bundts?  Is it paint or powdercoating?  A
friend of mine has a whole stack of them I was wondering about restoring 
and

reselling.  I have podercoating equipment and a bead blast setup available
to use.
 Done right, looking new, would they be worth $100 each, outright, with no
core charge, to anyone?  I've been thinking of buying the equipment for
myself but haven't been sure if I could make it pay for itself.

Mike
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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:00 PM
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I spent a few minutes with them today.  Does not seem to be bubbles
from behind, as there is no great dimensionality that goes to depth.
It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least the
one bit I worked on.



On May 20, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


YEP, you can send your scruffy bundts to Performance Products and get
a set of shiny wheels back.  Something like $400 for the pleasure


They will not accept chromed wheels as cores.

Your 'pitting' looked an awful lot like bubbling from behind.
That, I've seen.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[LarryT]

You know, the car looks pretty nice - may be falling apart mechanically - 
but aside from those awful seat inserts in the backseat which look like 
someone did on their kitchen table - it looks like a well kept car.


But with 270k on it I;d be thinking it would be getting tired - even with 
perfect maintanence - which few get. nearly 300k is a lot of miles in any 
book.  I know, it;s a 116 diesel - built like a tank - but still - and since 
the guy is starting out tellling a lie it;s best to assume it may not even 
start.


Oh well -

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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist



Dealer plate.  Says it all.

"Tony Wirtel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior 
shots...


http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html

Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.

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Re: [MBZ] Drool . . . WOW! What a nice car!

[Darrell W. Sigmon]

What 'ya gonna do with the two cracks in the dash?

DWS

Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:22:23 -0500 "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-105K-Actual-Miles-NR_W0QQitemZ230132200578QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ebay item # 230132200578


Indeed. It's an absolutely gorgeous '82.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Drool . . . WOW! What a nice car!

[Allan Streib]

Sure seems to be in good condition -- but, a trip to the detail shop,
a good buffing, and lots of Armor-All on all the rubber and interior
are clearly evident.

Photos on a web page don't show a lot of fine detail -- something can
pretty easily be made to look better than it is.

I do agree, though -- it's a very nice example.  What's with the
chromed wheels?  Was that a factory option.  Looks kinda "pimped" to
me.


Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:22:23 -0500 "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-105K-Actual-Miles-NR_W0QQitemZ230132200578QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>> 
>> Ebay item # 230132200578
>
> Indeed. It's an absolutely gorgeous '82.
>
> Craig

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[MBZ] Drool . . . WOW! What a nice car!

[Glenn Brown]

Regarding the Utah 300D you guys have been conversing about, I agree it's an
extremely nice example but my contribution to the topic has to do with the
fact that the owner/whoever took the time, etc. to take decent photographs
and should help immensely in the sale of the car.  The reason I'm pointing
this out is that, while I've been waiting for my house to sell, I've been
perusing the I-net for houses in the area where I intend to move and I'm
astounded at the lousy photography which many realtors apparently deem
acceptable to entice prospective buyers.

G. M. Brown
Rochester, NY

Re: [MBZ] Off-Topic NON-MB crack user

[Ed Booher]

On 5/21/07, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This seller says his 1990 Oldsmobile Toronado with 250,000 miles is in
#1 show condition and was appraised for $13,500.   Only a crack smoker
would think that, but how much crack do you have to smoke to not even
include a picture of your supposed #1 Show winner.

Ebay item # 120123311370



1990 Oldsmobile Toronado 2 Dr Trofeo Coupe

Trade-In__Private Party__Dealer Retail
National Base Price_$286_$654_$1,267
Optional Equipment__$7___$29___$73
Power Sunroof__$5___$20___$50
Cassette/CD Audio Sys__$2$9$23
Color Adjustment
Dark Blue__$0$0$0
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code 46060__$-9___$-20__$-39
Mileage Adjustment
155,000 miles___$0$0$0
Condition Adjustment
Outstanding_$0$0$0

Total_$284___$663$1,301


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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Hybrids

[Levi Smith]

I think the VX was around 40-50mpg...  It seemed like fuel efficient V-tec
step up from the CRX HF which was around 40mpg...

Levi

On 5/20/07, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


But wasn't the insight built shortly after the Civic VX (?) that got 70
mpg
without the hybrid nonsense?

Can't remember which model designation it was but they had a normal 90's
Honda that got great mileage.

Never could figure out why the US manufacturers insisted on keeping
gutless
5.7 L engines with pollution controls when a Euro 2.0 L was just as quick
with fewer pollutants...hmmm

Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Jim Cathey]

Gump is a 220D, right? We can't seem to break out of the 22 - 24 mpg 
range
with out '79 240D. The driving isn't highway, more like secondary 2 
lane

roads with a 45 - 55 mph range for the limit.


The Frankenheap also routinely beats 30.  And it never gets on
the highway, really.  115 200D, manual.


Gump uses excess gravity, astoglide, and a tail wind.  She is able to
get up to 31mpg.  Not every day, but at speed for hours on end.


-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Kevin J. Slater]

Gump is a 220D, right? We can't seem to break out of the 22 - 24 mpg range
with out '79 240D. The driving isn't highway, more like secondary 2 lane
roads with a 45 - 55 mph range for the limit.

What do you get when you drive it around town?

...Kevin


Redghost said:
> Gump uses excess gravity, astoglide, and a tail wind.  She is able to
> get up to 31mpg.  Not every day, but at speed for hours on end.
>
> On May 21, 2007, at 6:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> i'm amazed by how many of these OM61x cars are advertised as
>> getting 40+mpg
>> per gallon.  i've owned a number for them and have always been
>> between 20
>> and 25mpg.  maybe they are harnessing the power of magnetism or
>> something
>> like that?
>>
>> On 5/21/07, Tony Wirtel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior
>>> shots...
>>>
>>> http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html
>>>
>>> Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.
>>>
>>> Tony Wirtel
>
> --
> Clay
> Seattle Bioburner
>
> 1972 220D - Gump
> 1995 E300D - Cleo
> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
> The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
>
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Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts

[Mike Canfield]

So, What is the finish on the Bundts?  Is it paint or powdercoating?  A 
friend of mine has a whole stack of them I was wondering about restoring and 
reselling.  I have podercoating equipment and a bead blast setup available 
to use.
 Done right, looking new, would they be worth $100 each, outright, with no 
core charge, to anyone?  I've been thinking of buying the equipment for 
myself but haven't been sure if I could make it pay for itself.


Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...



I spent a few minutes with them today.  Does not seem to be bubbles
from behind, as there is no great dimensionality that goes to depth.
It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least the
one bit I worked on.



On May 20, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


YEP, you can send your scruffy bundts to Performance Products and get
a set of shiny wheels back.  Something like $400 for the pleasure


They will not accept chromed wheels as cores.

Your 'pitting' looked an awful lot like bubbling from behind.
That, I've seen.

-- Jim



--
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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[Sunil Hari]

ebay benefits because it keeps their code simpler.  As of now, all they have
to do is collect money.

On 5/22/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yep, I agree, Ned. Spot on.

And the notion of sniping websites - come now.

Brian


On 5/21/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Very good point Ned.  No one benefits.
>
> Mike
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "ned kleinhenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:31 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay
>
>
> > Everything I've bought on eBay turned out to be what I expected and
> less.
> > And the price my family gets for stuff we sell on ebay is usually
> > disappointingly low.
> >
> > Ayway, It seems to me the buyers and the sellers would both be happier
> if
> > the format was arranged more like, "the auction ends not earlier than
> the
> > designated time and 15 minutes (or 5 or 10 or whatever) after the last
> > high
> > bid is placed."  Then buyers would no longer loose by $1 because
someone
> > else had faster software to enter the last bid, and the seller would
be
> > sure
> > to get maximum price.
> >
> > A live, in-person, auction never ends until the auctioneer is sure
> nobody
> > is
> > going to place a higher bid.  And it never takes very long for the
> bidding
> > to end.  I'm sure changing to my suggested format would not extend any
> > auction time by very much, unless there is a real bidding war going
on.
> > Who
> > benefits from ending a bidding war by the clock?
> >
> > Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] Drool . . . WOW! What a nice car!

[Hendrik Riessen]

Someone should forward that to the seller who claims you won't find a better 
one than that black non turbo 123.
And I quote "If you ever wanted a super nice 1984 300D, Your wait is over, I 
dont know where you would ever find one this nice any where on the planet,"
I suppose the beige one is a 82 and has got a couple of paint chips on the 
jack holes but it does have a turbo.


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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drool . . . WOW! What a nice car!



On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:22:23 -0500 "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-105K-Actual-Miles-NR_W0QQitemZ230132200578QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ebay item # 230132200578


Indeed. It's an absolutely gorgeous '82.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Hendrik Riessen]

Hey I get that in my patrol..in neutral coasting down a 
hill.


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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist


i'm amazed by how many of these OM61x cars are advertised as getting 
40+mpg

per gallon.  i've owned a number for them and have always been between 20
and 25mpg.  maybe they are harnessing the power of magnetism or something
like that?

On 5/21/07, Tony Wirtel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior 
shots...


http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html

Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.

Tony Wirtel

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Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Hendrik Riessen]

Yes but does it actually have a turbo?

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist



300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior shots...

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html

Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.

Tony Wirtel

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Re: [MBZ] This Is Creepy...

[Hendrik Riessen]

Perhaps it was one of those crackheads trying to sell grandma's pride and 
joy to score more drugs.


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This Is Creepy...



I think the aliens that listed it got called back to the home planet...

Bob R.

Re: [MBZ] Here's a liar on ebay

[Hendrik Riessen]

Don't be mean, that's all we get over here.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Here's a liar on ebay


Oh yea, it definatly does not have a turbo, although it is supposed to. 
 Clearly says turbodiesel on trunk and this is not a euro car so it 
should be turbo.  Looks like motor went bad and they stuck a non turbo 
engine in it.  I bet its REAL slow.

Re: [MBZ] Here's a liar on ebay

[Hendrik Riessen]

and they will run on just about anything including pig's urine.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Here's a liar on ebay



thats low, most ebay diesels get 45-50

Donald Snook wrote:

This lying seller says he has a 84 123 that routinely gets 34-36 mpg.
Makes me wonder whether any of the ad is true.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-Mercedes-Benz-300D-DIESEL-NO-RESERVE
_W0QQitemZ200112133952QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



He also says it does not have a turbo.   Is that true?  I thought by 84
all the 300D's had turbos.   Check out the pics, the car looks nice, but
somebody has definitely used the silver spray paint on the engine - look
at the air filter housing.



All this makes me think this guy is trying too hard to hide something.



The sad thing is, the car LOOKS really nice.  But, if you can't trust
the seller, the car is probably questionable.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K

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Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[Hendrik Riessen]

Not quite, when you place a bid it checks to see if there is a higher bid 
amount.

However the standing bid then goes up to what you have bid.
For example say you reckon that non turbo 123 is hot stuff and you bid $2500 
and someone has already put in a maximum bid of $3000, then the standing bid 
will go up to $2500. Thus the person who bid $3000 may not have to actually 
pay $3000 for that dodgy 123.
Sure that ain't how traditional auctions work but that is ebay way of doing 
things.
I suppose ebay should give the seller the option of deciding which sort of 
auction he/she would like but they are making money hand over fist without 
any real competition, so why should they bother?


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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay



it bids the instant somebody else bids against you until your money runs
out.

Zoltan Finks wrote:

I'll have to investigate how this "bid on your behalf" option works. How
often does it bid I wonder, and in what increments? If it's not fast 
enough,

it won't work in the final 15 sec. frenzy.

Brian


On 5/21/07, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Or you can put in your maxium bid amount and ebay will bid on your 
behalf

until either you win the item or get outbid.
Don't think the snipers have found a way around that yet.

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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay



Don't forget the other side of the coin is to know how much items go
for, then troll everyday for an item with a

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Re: [MBZ] Leather Likelihood

[Jim Cathey]

someone told me recently, that the fuel mileage of a 2.5 manual is not
appreciably different than that of a 2.2 manual?


I believe this myself.  If we can ever get our 190D manual 2.5 deployed
we'll have some more numbers.  But IIRC it's 35-42, depending on 
conditions.


-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[Zoltan Finks]

Yep, I agree, Ned. Spot on.

And the notion of sniping websites - come now.

Brian


On 5/21/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Very good point Ned.  No one benefits.

Mike


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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay


> Everything I've bought on eBay turned out to be what I expected and
less.
> And the price my family gets for stuff we sell on ebay is usually
> disappointingly low.
>
> Ayway, It seems to me the buyers and the sellers would both be happier
if
> the format was arranged more like, "the auction ends not earlier than
the
> designated time and 15 minutes (or 5 or 10 or whatever) after the last
> high
> bid is placed."  Then buyers would no longer loose by $1 because someone
> else had faster software to enter the last bid, and the seller would be
> sure
> to get maximum price.
>
> A live, in-person, auction never ends until the auctioneer is sure
nobody
> is
> going to place a higher bid.  And it never takes very long for the
bidding
> to end.  I'm sure changing to my suggested format would not extend any
> auction time by very much, unless there is a real bidding war going on.
> Who
> benefits from ending a bidding war by the clock?
>
> Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] Leather Likelihood

[Zoltan Finks]

I see what you're saying. I kinda realized that after i had sent him my
email with a bunch of questions. I realized that, hey, even if the engine is
bad, I get a replacement and still am not that bad off. And I've gotten the
2.2 five speed I'm seeking.

And thanks, Clay for the link to the decent looking 190D. I am pretty
insistend on a manny though. I do wonder how accurate it is, however, what
someone told me recently, that the fuel mileage of a 2.5 manual is not
appreciably different than that of a 2.2 manual?

Brian


On 5/21/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


if the price was decent, those type of deals are not to be screwed
aroudn with.  You have to be able to jump on it right then.

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> Are you guys kidding, or serious? just wondering.
>
> Yesterday, it was painful when I brought up this car - 190D 5 spd. - and
> this time my wife was onboard. The normal-looking carfax (thank you
Kaleb)
> reassured her, and the leather intrigued her. I got the effective
go-ahead
> to pursue.
>
> We clicked on the ad, and found out that it was sold!
> AAhhhww!
>
> Brian
>
>
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92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL,
89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
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Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...

[Jim Cathey]

It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least the
one bit I worked on.


Now you did it!  Now you have to finish the job.

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Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Loren Faeth]

You have heard of the story of the accountant

A businessman asks the banker how much is 2 + 2
the banker says 4!

A businessman asks the banker how much is 2 + 2
The mathematician says 4!

A businessman asks the accountant how much is 2 + 2
The accountant pus down the shades, looks around the room to make 
sure no one else is within earshot

Then whispers "how much do you want it to be?

If you manipulate how the tank is filled, anyone can show "proof" 
that the car gets 45 mpg or whatever  You just make sure the 
first top-off has the fuel standing just inside the cap, then the 
second "top-off" you stop the pump when the gauge says full.


then you divide the miles by the gallons put in the second time, and 
"poof"  Instant "proof" that it get 45 mpg


Not repeatable over more than one consecutive test, however.


At 08:19 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote:

i'm amazed by how many of these OM61x cars are advertised as getting 40+mpg
per gallon.  i've owned a number for them and have always been between 20
and 25mpg.  maybe they are harnessing the power of magnetism or something
like that?

On 5/21/07, Tony Wirtel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior shots...
>
> http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html
>
> Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.
>
> Tony Wirtel
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Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Redghost]

Gump uses excess gravity, astoglide, and a tail wind.  She is able to  
get up to 31mpg.  Not every day, but at speed for hours on end.


On May 21, 2007, at 6:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

i'm amazed by how many of these OM61x cars are advertised as  
getting 40+mpg
per gallon.  i've owned a number for them and have always been  
between 20
and 25mpg.  maybe they are harnessing the power of magnetism or  
something

like that?

On 5/21/07, Tony Wirtel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior  
shots...


http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html

Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.

Tony Wirtel


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Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Loren Faeth]

Aside from being a "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG, it also has the 
extremely rare "imported velour rear seat bottom, and the rare 
European split leather seating in front"


I suppose you could say it is a "gas saver" cause it would probably 
run quite a distance without a drop of gasoline.


At 07:42 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote:

300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior shots...

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html

Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.

Tony Wirtel

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Re: [MBZ] This Is Creepy...

[Bob Rentfro]

Man I hate it when I truncate things.


- Original Message - 
From: "Craig McCluskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This Is Creepy...



On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:46:46 -0700 "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think the aliens that listed it got called back to the home planet...

Bob R.

> listing removed
>
> Bob Rentfro wrote:
>> How can anything look that good?
>>
>>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-105K-Ac
>tual-Miles-NR_W0QQitemZ23 >


No, it's the same thing that Donald Snook posted, you just truncated the
URL.

The correct URL is

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230132200578

and yes, how in the world was it kept so good?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This Is Creepy...

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:46:46 -0700 "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think the aliens that listed it got called back to the home planet...
> 
> Bob R.
> 
> > listing removed
> >
> > Bob Rentfro wrote:
> >> How can anything look that good?
> >>
> >>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-105K-Ac
> >tual-Miles-NR_W0QQitemZ23 >

No, it's the same thing that Donald Snook posted, you just truncated the
URL.

The correct URL is

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230132200578

and yes, how in the world was it kept so good?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Drool . . . WOW! What a nice car!

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:22:23 -0500 "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-105K-Actual-Miles-NR_W0QQitemZ230132200578QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> Ebay item # 230132200578

Indeed. It's an absolutely gorgeous '82.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[andrew strasfogel]

The loophole is they do the calculation on fuel economy after coasting
down a very long hill...

On 5/21/07, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Gary Hurst wrote:
> i'm amazed by how many of these OM61x cars are advertised as getting 40+mpg
> per gallon.  i've owned a number for them and have always been between 20
> and 25mpg.  maybe they are harnessing the power of magnetism or something
> like that?

I like to think that they went to public schools and simply don't know
how to divide.  This is likely the case, but the hobbesian in me
suspects that the root of the eBay is that most people flogging used
cars are just plain sleazy and don't think twice about feeding
prospective buyers such BS.

I got 29.9 mpg out of my 300D once - average 24 on summer fuel.

Tom

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[MBZ] Kaleb price

[Redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/335189741.html  --78 SL $500






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Re: [MBZ] Leather Likelihood

[Redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/335079274.html

2.5


On May 21, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:


Are you guys kidding, or serious? just wondering.

Yesterday, it was painful when I brought up this car - 190D 5 spd.  
- and
this time my wife was onboard. The normal-looking carfax (thank you  
Kaleb)
reassured her, and the leather intrigued her. I got the effective  
go-ahead

to pursue.

We clicked on the ad, and found out that it was sold!
AAhhhww!

Brian


On 5/21/07, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 5/21/07, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

that's definitely blue leather seats in a manual tranny diesel benz.

struggling to keep it in my pants,

Sunil.



ROFL!

My reaction exactly.  I'll fight you for it!

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'87 300D Turbo
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Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...

[Redghost]

I spent a few minutes with them today.  Does not seem to be bubbles  
from behind, as there is no great dimensionality that goes to depth.   
It is surface schmutz that rubs off with elbow grease.  At least the  
one bit I worked on.




On May 20, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


YEP, you can send your scruffy bundts to Performance Products and get
a set of shiny wheels back.  Something like $400 for the pleasure


They will not accept chromed wheels as cores.

Your 'pitting' looked an awful lot like bubbling from behind.
That, I've seen.

-- Jim



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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[tom savage]

Gary Hurst wrote:

i'm amazed by how many of these OM61x cars are advertised as getting 40+mpg
per gallon.  i've owned a number for them and have always been between 20
and 25mpg.  maybe they are harnessing the power of magnetism or something
like that?


I like to think that they went to public schools and simply don't know 
how to divide.  This is likely the case, but the hobbesian in me 
suspects that the root of the eBay is that most people flogging used 
cars are just plain sleazy and don't think twice about feeding 
prospective buyers such BS.


I got 29.9 mpg out of my 300D once - average 24 on summer fuel.

Tom

Re: [MBZ] Leather Likelihood

[Russ Williams]

Yep that's Leather Brian.

My first 240 D had Leather Interior, No Sun Roof, No Power Windows, No Power
Pass. Mirror, And an Auto Tranny.

Powder Blue Exterior and Dark Blue Interior.
I talked to the Original Owner after I bought it. And asked why none of 
the Power

Eqpt. He said he rather have the Leather than all the junk.

Russ W.

Zoltan Finks wrote:

Inform me on the instances in which leather seats could be found in MBs.

The car in question is an 85 190D. I'm looking at the photo and it struck me
that it actually looks like leather more than MBtex.

I realize it's not very common. Just wondering.

I'm attaching a photo.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[Mike Canfield]

Very good point Ned.  No one benefits.

Mike


- Original Message - 
From: "ned kleinhenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes List" 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT So that's ebay



Everything I've bought on eBay turned out to be what I expected and less.
And the price my family gets for stuff we sell on ebay is usually
disappointingly low.

Ayway, It seems to me the buyers and the sellers would both be happier if
the format was arranged more like, "the auction ends not earlier than the
designated time and 15 minutes (or 5 or 10 or whatever) after the last 
high

bid is placed."  Then buyers would no longer loose by $1 because someone
else had faster software to enter the last bid, and the seller would be 
sure

to get maximum price.

A live, in-person, auction never ends until the auctioneer is sure nobody 
is

going to place a higher bid.  And it never takes very long for the bidding
to end.  I'm sure changing to my suggested format would not extend any
auction time by very much, unless there is a real bidding war going on. 
Who

benefits from ending a bidding war by the clock?

Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Allan Streib]

Dealer plate.  Says it all.

"Tony Wirtel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior shots...
>
> http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html
>
> Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.
>
> Tony Wirtel
>

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1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[LarryT]

This must be one of those guys who run Helium in their tires to make it 
lighter - 45 mpg ROTFLMAO!!   Only if they only drive downhill with the 
engine turned off - maybe.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Tony Wirtel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist



300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior shots...

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html

Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.

Tony Wirtel

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[MBZ] OT So that's ebay

[ned kleinhenz]

Everything I've bought on eBay turned out to be what I expected and less.
And the price my family gets for stuff we sell on ebay is usually
disappointingly low.

Ayway, It seems to me the buyers and the sellers would both be happier if
the format was arranged more like, "the auction ends not earlier than the
designated time and 15 minutes (or 5 or 10 or whatever) after the last high
bid is placed."  Then buyers would no longer loose by $1 because someone
else had faster software to enter the last bid, and the seller would be sure
to get maximum price.

A live, in-person, auction never ends until the auctioneer is sure nobody is
going to place a higher bid.  And it never takes very long for the bidding
to end.  I'm sure changing to my suggested format would not extend any
auction time by very much, unless there is a real bidding war going on.  Who
benefits from ending a bidding war by the clock?

Ned Kleinhenz

Re: [MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Gary Hurst]

i'm amazed by how many of these OM61x cars are advertised as getting 40+mpg
per gallon.  i've owned a number for them and have always been between 20
and 25mpg.  maybe they are harnessing the power of magnetism or something
like that?

On 5/21/07, Tony Wirtel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior shots...

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html

Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.

Tony Wirtel

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Re: [MBZ] Who says MBs can't tow...

[Mike Canfield]

Details, details, details.

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who says MBs can't tow...




Wouldn't you have to put a trans into it first?

-Curt

Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:13:58 -0400
From: "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who says MBs can't tow...
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Now I have to build a reciever hitch and tow the car trailer with the 
TD..I wonder how the hydraulic suspension would handle it


Maybe an equalizer hitch and electric brakes is all I would 
need...LOLOLOL


Mike


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[MBZ] Now, a liar on craigslist....

[Tony Wirtel]

300SD: "Rare Gas Saver" that gets 45 MPG- don't miss the interior shots...

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/330303412.html

Same guy jerked my chain on my former 300sd.

Tony Wirtel

Re: [MBZ] Who says MBs can't tow...

[Curt Raymond]

Wouldn't you have to put a trans into it first?

-Curt

Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:13:58 -0400
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Now I have to build a reciever hitch and tow the car trailer with the 
TD..I wonder how the hydraulic suspension would handle it

Maybe an equalizer hitch and electric brakes is all I would 
need...LOLOLOL

Mike

 
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> < all the 300D's had turbos.>>
>=20
The original discussion was about the silver '77 300D. Not the black '84.

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