Re: [MBZ] Who wants a 300TD cheap?

2007-08-02 Thread Allan Streib
Chris Kueny [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  A Prius?  C'mon, stay close to the herd and get a TDI.  Better fuel economy 
 on average if you do highway driving, and environmentally cleaner
 because no battery with associated complications.

Yeah and I heard that if you take into account the environmental
impact of producing those batteries (lead, cadmium, nickel, whatever
is in them), hybrids are definitely NOT as enviro-friendly as the
popular opinion makes them out to be.

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1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] Need lock cylinder help again please!

2007-08-02 Thread Marshall Booth
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Just got my replacement ignition lock cylinder for my 124.  I
 thought looking at it would make it obvious how to release the old one
 (which I have not yet been able to do).  It doesn't.  I see how to
 turn it to the position where the grooves line up and stick a
 paperclip in to trigger the catch, but I can't see how that magically
 releases the cylinder and allows it to be separated from the
 surrounding part.  Any tips?

Have you read the section of the manual (46-8010  8110) or CD that 
covers tumbler removal and making the U shaped tool with the acutely 
pointed tips that is needed to unlock the tumbler? Seems pretty self 
explanatory to me (but I'm not sure it was the first time I tried to 
remove a cylinder).

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Did they make a 15 bundt wheel

2007-08-02 Thread Sunil Hari
They're pretty rare and do exist - I've only seen them on 6.9s, and
typically the wheels are worth more than the car.  I saw a set of genuine
15 Bundts go for $1500 on ebay.   Your results may vary.

On 8/2/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 are they what is refered to as turbine wheels at times?

 Ed
 300E

 On 02/08/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  but they never turn out to be genuine despite their being claimed as
 such.
 
  i've seen a genuine set although i'm assured they exist (although i
  don't even feel so sure about that)
 
  On 8/1/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   John Robbins wrote:
If they really are cheap, buy them and sell them on ebay.  You will
  make
some money :) From what I've heard they are very rare.
  
   Per Gary's comment I might add that if they are genuine MB wheels...
  
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Re: [MBZ] u-pull discovery

2007-08-02 Thread Allan Streib
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Thx Allan - I'l call them tomorrow.  BTW, did you notice any Porsche
 911s?

I did not, sorry.  I was there before work and in a rush to get in and
out, so I didn't spend much time surveying the place.

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Re: [MBZ] Did they make a 15 bundt wheel

2007-08-02 Thread Rusty Cullens
They did NOT come as standard equipment on a 6.9. They were a very expensive 
option that very few people paid for, which is why they are so rare. They 
were never sold as a replacement part. You had to order them at the time you 
ordered your 6.9 new. That was the ONLY way to get them. Centra, a now 
defunct wheel manufacturer made a very nice copy (Gary has some on his 6.3) 
that sold for about 10 years back in the late 70's and early 80's. those are 
usually what you will see on EBay.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Did they make a 15 bundt wheel


 The W116 6.9 had them as standard equipment and maybe the earlier 6.3 as 
 an
 option as well in the 109. And they are rare...saw an excellent set go 
 about
 800 bucks on Ebay a few years ago.

 On 8/1/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 but they never turn out to be genuine despite their being claimed as 
 such.

 i've seen a genuine set although i'm assured they exist (although i
 don't even feel so sure about that)

 On 8/1/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  John Robbins wrote:
   If they really are cheap, buy them and sell them on ebay.  You will
 make
   some money :) From what I've heard they are very rare.
 
  Per Gary's comment I might add that if they are genuine MB wheels...
 
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Re: [MBZ] archives

2007-08-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

Luther wrote:
 Speaking of archives...what's up with the searchable archives?  I can't 
 find a link to that 
 
 On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:09:55 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
 Check the archives, this has already been hashed out.

 wilton strickland wrote:
 Because I haven't been able to read any posts for last 3 days ('been getting
 'em as un-openable attachments), I'll try this again:

  So, does anybody have a 12VDC MB rocker switch, such as defogger, air
  recirculation or rear dome light switches on my 87 300D center console
  available that I may use to control power to my mobility scooter recharging
  system?

  Wilton




 
 
 

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Re: [MBZ] Did they make a 15 bundt wheel

2007-08-02 Thread Mathieu J . Cama
If someone is serious about obtaining the 15 bundts, I can get them. I 
have a connection that has them available in limited numbers, new, 
never mounted, genuine MB, no aftermarket junk. The cost is quite 
considerable, however.

WRT the aftermarket variants, I would suggest only obtaining Ronals as 
they were manufactured to a higher standard. I have heard the ATS and 
Centra variants have issues with hub cracking over time from more than 
one source. Those variants lack a metal collar where the lug bolt 
presses against the rim and due to over-tightening the lugs, something 
more than common, the hubs will begin to crack. If you have a set of 
these, I suggest that you have them x-rayed to check for potential 
failure.

Mathieu
www.oldworldauto.com


On Aug 2, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

 They did NOT come as standard equipment on a 6.9. They were a very 
 expensive
 option that very few people paid for, which is why they are so rare. 
 They
 were never sold as a replacement part. You had to order them at the 
 time you
 ordered your 6.9 new. That was the ONLY way to get them. Centra, a now
 defunct wheel manufacturer made a very nice copy (Gary has some on his 
 6.3)
 that sold for about 10 years back in the late 70's and early 80's. 
 those are
 usually what you will see on EBay.


 Rusty Cullens
 BuyMBparts, Inc.
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 Fax   770-454-9745

 - Original Message -
 From: John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Did they make a 15 bundt wheel


 The W116 6.9 had them as standard equipment and maybe the earlier 6.3 
 as
 an
 option as well in the 109. And they are rare...saw an excellent set go
 about
 800 bucks on Ebay a few years ago.

 On 8/1/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 but they never turn out to be genuine despite their being claimed as
 such.

 i've seen a genuine set although i'm assured they exist (although i
 don't even feel so sure about that)

 On 8/1/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 John Robbins wrote:
 If they really are cheap, buy them and sell them on ebay.  You will
 make
 some money :) From what I've heard they are very rare.

 Per Gary's comment I might add that if they are genuine MB wheels...

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[MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread Levi Smith
Anyone happen to know what the legality is of towing an unregistered car in
NY?

I've got a Subaru that needs fixing and I think I may let someone else do
it, but it's not registered...  I'm thinking I would tow it down and then
maybe just attach the strap and mock-tow it back(assuming it runs then), but
it wouldn't have plates either way...  And it does go right past a police
station...

Anyone know if that's legal or not?  I was thinking it was...  But then I
couldn't quite see how it could be if you can't pull a trailer without
plates...

Thanks,
Levi
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Re: [MBZ] Post Falls SL

2007-08-02 Thread Jim Cathey
Well, fool that I am it turns out that in the haste of the on-the-road
repair attempt I had jumpered the wrong two pins on the fuel
pump/kickdown relay.  (Pin 87k is not the same as pin 87.)  When I
jumpered the correct two pins the pump ran.  (That would have made
getting it home a lot easier!)  On the plus side, this mistake did
cause me to take apart the connections on the fuel pump, for which the
protective boots were all torn up.  I taped up the boots and potted
them in Shoe Goo, this should help keep the water out of these
connections.

Anyway, I put the relay on the bench and it didn't feed power to the
pump output unless the start pin was asserted.  It might be supposed
to give it a burp of a second or so at key-on as well, though I only
infer this from the 560 SLs' behaviors.  (And obviously it also
didn't feed power when the engine is running.)  I opened it up to
find the usual sort of vintage circuit: two CMOS 4013 dual-D
flip-flops, two 555 timers, four transistors, nine diodes, two
electrolytic capacitors, two trim pots, one thermistor, two relays,
and the usual handful of resistors and capacitors.  Highly repairable,
in other words.  The solder was starting to look a little oxidized, I
suspect that this thing will succumb to a resoldering.  The relay box
is labeled with 5300/min 8Zyl.12V, a Bosch logo and 896377,
Kickdown, and has what looks like a date code on it: 27-02-1997.  If
so this certainly isn't the original!  And if so, isn't much of an
advertisement for Bosch electrical part longevity.

So I resoldered it, first giving it a good wire-brushing with the
Dremel to remove oxidation.  When reinstalled in the car, it started
and ran.  That's $155 I don't need to spend!  (The fuel pump, also
unnecessary, is $250.)  There was still no key-on burp, so I guess
that's a feature of later cars.

I then cleaned off the differential fill plug and removed it.  (It has
a non-factory gasket on it, and the plug has been chiseled, though the
hex socket is still in good shape.)  The oil was low, but not
dangerously so.  I put in 1/2 quart and put the plug back in, lowered
the car, and took it for a little test drive.

It drove well, the engine and transmission seemed as it should, the
brakes worked well.  (Perhaps not perfectly, it did pull a bit.)  It
seemed to have the requisite amount of power for the 3.8l motor,
though I've no prior experience with them.  There was some rattling
from the RF corner of the car on the gravel washboard, there may be
some loose suspension.  I'll have a look at that sometime.

I tried the cruise and it didn't work, though I recall the PO saying
something about that it should be disconnected because he thought it
could self-destruct trying to use it when it was flakey.  It may be
unplugged somewhere.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread slozukimc
Levi,
  I tow cars all of the time..It is illegal to tow with a strap unless
the car has tags.

You need to use a towbar to be legal...Simply take a piece of
heavy pipe and run a chain through the middle and attach it to both cars
as tight as you can get itThe cops really look for if you are
being safe and smooth while towing rather than what you are towing with
around here.

If you need, I have a trailer if you have a truckMy truck will be
up and running again soon.

Mike




 Anyone happen to know what the legality is of towing an unregistered car
 in
 NY?

 I've got a Subaru that needs fixing and I think I may let someone else do
 it, but it's not registered...  I'm thinking I would tow it down and then
 maybe just attach the strap and mock-tow it back(assuming it runs then),
 but
 it wouldn't have plates either way...  And it does go right past a police
 station...

 Anyone know if that's legal or not?  I was thinking it was...  But then I
 couldn't quite see how it could be if you can't pull a trailer without
 plates...

 Thanks,
 Levi
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Re: [MBZ] archives

2007-08-02 Thread JFreezn
 
In a message dated 8/2/2007 7:57:33 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/


Thanks Kaleb.  Couldn't we put that at the bottom of each page posted  to the 
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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread Rich Thomas
Go rent one of those 2-wheeled tow dollies, be a lot safer than a strap 
or chain.

--R

Levi Smith wrote:
 Anyone happen to know what the legality is of towing an unregistered car in
 NY?

 I've got a Subaru that needs fixing and I think I may let someone else do
 it, but it's not registered...  I'm thinking I would tow it down and then
 maybe just attach the strap and mock-tow it back(assuming it runs then), but
 it wouldn't have plates either way...  And it does go right past a police
 station...

 Anyone know if that's legal or not?  I was thinking it was...  But then I
 couldn't quite see how it could be if you can't pull a trailer without
 plates...

 Thanks,
 Levi
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Re: [MBZ] archives

2007-08-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yes, we could I suppose

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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread R A Bennell
Do you folks have repair plates? Around here the garages usually have a 
repair plate that can be used to
transport a vehicle to the garage. The garage will usually lend you the plate 
in order to get the vehicle in.

Some places also will sell you a one day permit to move a vehicle. I know you 
can get one here to move a vehicle to
another province. Don't know if you can get one to move a vehicle within the 
province. Would probably have to have
a current safety certificate to do that in any event.

Another option is to get a tow truck. It will be cheaper in the long run than a 
ticket or an accident if you get
caught or if things go wrong. I had a Jeep towed home for my younger son a 
month or so ago and and it cost $70 for
a tow of 5 miles or so. I was tempted to tow it behind one of our trucks but 
also thought it would cost more than
the tow to replace the back bumper on the truck if the Jeep happened to bump me.

I have towed with  just a rope. I towed a friend about 35 miles. He had a mid 
80's full size Cadillac with an
engine knock. He kept the motor running to provide power steering and brakes 
and I towed him with my old Chevy
pickup. It was pretty smooth. You really want to be able to trust the other 
driver no matter whether you are in the
tow vehicle or the towed vehicle.

Also towed a Chevy pickup home from about 50 miles away on a 1/2 nylon rope 
behind a Ford pickup many years ago.
No real problem. I drove the tow vehicle and my father steered the towed 
vehicle. I don't think he trusted me to
not hit him from behind. I was pretty young then and he just instructed me to 
keep the speed down to about 40 mph
and let him worry about not running into the back of me. It was pretty hilly 
country and we slowed a bit going up
hills but there was not much traffic and we got home fine.

Randy - in Winnipeg

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Subject: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?


Anyone happen to know what the legality is of towing an unregistered car in
NY?

I've got a Subaru that needs fixing and I think I may let someone else do
it, but it's not registered...  I'm thinking I would tow it down and then
maybe just attach the strap and mock-tow it back(assuming it runs then), but
it wouldn't have plates either way...  And it does go right past a police
station...

Anyone know if that's legal or not?  I was thinking it was...  But then I
couldn't quite see how it could be if you can't pull a trailer without
plates...

Thanks,
Levi
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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread JFreezn
In Arizona, we can pull and print a 3 day pass, on line, for a  dollar, that 
allows us to drive or tow the vehicle with defunct plates.   Perhaps NY has a 
similar program.
 
We  have a wonderful on line DMV that allows registration renewals,  with the 
emissions tester posting passing results electronically for your  vehicle.  
No standing in line! 

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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread Levi Smith
Yeah, that's about what I figured...  Well my dad has a truck and trailer
but that's over in Hornell, so the extra cost to drive it might suck out as
much as other thoughts...
I'm wondering what the minimum cost would be to re-register it would be.
Looks like probably $46 for the year even if I only do it for a couple weeks
and then whatever insurance runs on top of that...

Just a pain with trying to sell two cars, buying a new one and trying to
keep only one registered...  Especially now that this one needs to get fixed
and it's not registered...

Levi

On 8/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Levi,
   I tow cars all of the time..It is illegal to tow with a strap unless
 the car has tags.

 You need to use a towbar to be legal...Simply take a piece of
 heavy pipe and run a chain through the middle and attach it to both cars
 as tight as you can get itThe cops really look for if you are
 being safe and smooth while towing rather than what you are towing with
 around here.

 If you need, I have a trailer if you have a truckMy truck will be
 up and running again soon.

 Mike




  Anyone happen to know what the legality is of towing an unregistered car
  in
  NY?
 
  I've got a Subaru that needs fixing and I think I may let someone else
 do
  it, but it's not registered...  I'm thinking I would tow it down and
 then
  maybe just attach the strap and mock-tow it back(assuming it runs then),
  but
  it wouldn't have plates either way...  And it does go right past a
 police
  station...
 
  Anyone know if that's legal or not?  I was thinking it was...  But then
 I
  couldn't quite see how it could be if you can't pull a trailer without
  plates...
 
  Thanks,
  Levi
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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
Most states won't allow anything to be towed with wheels on the ground 
without tags. On a trailer , you're OK . In NY I bet it's cheaper to 
rent a trailer than to call a tow truck ( after an experience with NY 
tow truck rates a few years ago...OUCH!

---Robert

Levi Smith wrote:
 Anyone happen to know what the legality is of towing an unregistered car in
 NY?

 I've got a Subaru that needs fixing and I think I may let someone else do
 it, but it's not registered...  I'm thinking I would tow it down and then
 maybe just attach the strap and mock-tow it back(assuming it runs then), but
 it wouldn't have plates either way...  And it does go right past a police
 station...

 Anyone know if that's legal or not?  I was thinking it was...  But then I
 couldn't quite see how it could be if you can't pull a trailer without
 plates...

 Thanks,
 Levi
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Re: [MBZ] archives

2007-08-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I just gave you the link.  There is not a link from the main page.

Luther wrote:
 Ok, from http://www.okiebenz.com/ how do I get there? :)
 
 Luther
 
 On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:56:42 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

 Luther wrote:
 Speaking of archives...what's up with the searchable archives?  I can't 
 find a link to that   

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 Check the archives, this has already been hashed out.
 
 
 

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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread LarryT
IMO, the thing the state os trying to do when requiring plates on all 
vehicles - even short erm tow vehicles, is to make sure they have insurance 
on them.  All in all a good thing should I get hit by one. ;-)

But a PITA when *I* need to move a vehicle.  When I bought my 911 I drove 80 
mi to look at it and it if it was as described and I ended up driving it 
back.

The PO let me keep the tags and I mailed them to him as soon as I got home. 
Also, I called my insurance man (State Farm) and told him what I might be 
doing - he said to call him with the VIN within 30 days - and I'd be covered 
from that point (when I bought it) to the end of 30 days.

Technically, I suspect I was doing something illegal - driving my car with 
someone elses tags (PO) -  but being insured was my biggest concern.

All states are different I believe -

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 Most states won't allow anything to be towed with wheels on the ground
 without tags. On a trailer , you're OK . In NY I bet it's cheaper to
 rent a trailer than to call a tow truck ( after an experience with NY
 tow truck rates a few years ago...OUCH!

 ---Robert

 Levi Smith wrote:
 Anyone happen to know what the legality is of towing an unregistered car 
 in
 NY?

 I've got a Subaru that needs fixing and I think I may let someone else do
 it, but it's not registered...  I'm thinking I would tow it down and then
 maybe just attach the strap and mock-tow it back(assuming it runs then), 
 but
 it wouldn't have plates either way...  And it does go right past a police
 station...

 Anyone know if that's legal or not?  I was thinking it was...  But then I
 couldn't quite see how it could be if you can't pull a trailer without
 plates...

 Thanks,
 Levi
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Re: [MBZ] archives

2007-08-02 Thread John Robbins
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 There is not a link from the main page.

I think that was his point. ;)

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Re: [MBZ] archives

2007-08-02 Thread Luther
Ok, from http://www.okiebenz.com/ how do I get there? :)

Luther

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:56:42 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

 Luther wrote:
 Speaking of archives...what's up with the searchable archives?  I can't 
 find a link to that

 On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:09:55 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:

 Check the archives, this has already been hashed out.





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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread John Robbins
LarryT wrote:
 Technically, I suspect I was doing something illegal - driving my car with 
 someone elses tags (PO) -  but being insured was my biggest concern.

Maybe on the someone else's plates part, but you don't even need to have 
plates for a certain amount of time after you've bought the car.  In MS 
you have seven days to license the vehicle after a purchase.  I drove my 
300D 2.5T from Ohio to MS and didn't have any problems... While in MS I 
got pulled over and showed the bill of sale (the title in this case) 
which said I had purchased the car the day before.  Officer told me to 
have a nice day :)

I think the same is also true for insurance.  You have some minimum time 
where you're covered without actually having paid for it yet.  So long 
as you already have an insured vehicle ;)

John

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Re: [MBZ] Need lock cylinder help again please!

2007-08-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 8/2/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Have you read the section of the manual (46-8010  8110) or CD that
 covers tumbler removal and making the U shaped tool with the acutely
 pointed tips that is needed to unlock the tumbler? Seems pretty self
 explanatory to me (but I'm not sure it was the first time I tried to
 remove a cylinder).


Yes, I've read and reread the FSM, and I believe I've made the special
tool correctly and am following the instructions to the letter... but
still no dice.  I'm going to take it to my indy next week, who, if
past experience is any judge, will be able to do it in 30 seconds
while I kick myself.

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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread slozukimc


If it will run and drive you can put insurance on it and buy a paper tag
for 10 bucks.

Mike

 Do you folks have repair plates? Around here the garages usually have a
 repair plate that can be used to
 transport a vehicle to the garage. The garage will usually lend you the
 plate in order to get the vehicle in.

 Some places also will sell you a one day permit to move a vehicle. I know
 you can get one here to move a vehicle to
 another province. Don't know if you can get one to move a vehicle within
 the province. Would probably have to have
 a current safety certificate to do that in any event.

 Another option is to get a tow truck. It will be cheaper in the long run
 than a ticket or an accident if you get
 caught or if things go wrong. I had a Jeep towed home for my younger son a
 month or so ago and and it cost $70 for
 a tow of 5 miles or so. I was tempted to tow it behind one of our trucks
 but also thought it would cost more than
 the tow to replace the back bumper on the truck if the Jeep happened to
 bump me.

 I have towed with  just a rope. I towed a friend about 35 miles. He had a
 mid 80's full size Cadillac with an
 engine knock. He kept the motor running to provide power steering and
 brakes and I towed him with my old Chevy
 pickup. It was pretty smooth. You really want to be able to trust the
 other driver no matter whether you are in the
 tow vehicle or the towed vehicle.

 Also towed a Chevy pickup home from about 50 miles away on a 1/2 nylon
 rope behind a Ford pickup many years ago.
 No real problem. I drove the tow vehicle and my father steered the towed
 vehicle. I don't think he trusted me to
 not hit him from behind. I was pretty young then and he just instructed me
 to keep the speed down to about 40 mph
 and let him worry about not running into the back of me. It was pretty
 hilly country and we slowed a bit going up
 hills but there was not much traffic and we got home fine.

 Randy - in Winnipeg

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Levi Smith
 Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:43 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?


 Anyone happen to know what the legality is of towing an unregistered car
 in
 NY?

 I've got a Subaru that needs fixing and I think I may let someone else do
 it, but it's not registered...  I'm thinking I would tow it down and then
 maybe just attach the strap and mock-tow it back(assuming it runs then),
 but
 it wouldn't have plates either way...  And it does go right past a police
 station...

 Anyone know if that's legal or not?  I was thinking it was...  But then I
 couldn't quite see how it could be if you can't pull a trailer without
 plates...

 Thanks,
 Levi
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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread Levi Smith
Where/how can you get a paper tag for $10?  I thought NY was a pain cause
there was no such thing as a temp tag?  Or is this something else?

Levi

On 8/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 If it will run and drive you can put insurance on it and buy a paper tag
 for 10 bucks.

 Mike

  Do you folks have repair plates? Around here the garages usually have
 a
  repair plate that can be used to
  transport a vehicle to the garage. The garage will usually lend you the
  plate in order to get the vehicle in.
 
  Some places also will sell you a one day permit to move a vehicle. I
 know
  you can get one here to move a vehicle to
  another province. Don't know if you can get one to move a vehicle within
  the province. Would probably have to have
  a current safety certificate to do that in any event.
 
  Another option is to get a tow truck. It will be cheaper in the long run
  than a ticket or an accident if you get
  caught or if things go wrong. I had a Jeep towed home for my younger son
 a
  month or so ago and and it cost $70 for
  a tow of 5 miles or so. I was tempted to tow it behind one of our trucks
  but also thought it would cost more than
  the tow to replace the back bumper on the truck if the Jeep happened to
  bump me.
 
  I have towed with  just a rope. I towed a friend about 35 miles. He had
 a
  mid 80's full size Cadillac with an
  engine knock. He kept the motor running to provide power steering and
  brakes and I towed him with my old Chevy
  pickup. It was pretty smooth. You really want to be able to trust the
  other driver no matter whether you are in the
  tow vehicle or the towed vehicle.
 
  Also towed a Chevy pickup home from about 50 miles away on a 1/2 nylon
  rope behind a Ford pickup many years ago.
  No real problem. I drove the tow vehicle and my father steered the towed
  vehicle. I don't think he trusted me to
  not hit him from behind. I was pretty young then and he just instructed
 me
  to keep the speed down to about 40 mph
  and let him worry about not running into the back of me. It was pretty
  hilly country and we slowed a bit going up
  hills but there was not much traffic and we got home fine.
 
  Randy - in Winnipeg
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Levi Smith
  Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:43 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?
 
 
  Anyone happen to know what the legality is of towing an unregistered car
  in
  NY?
 
  I've got a Subaru that needs fixing and I think I may let someone else
 do
  it, but it's not registered...  I'm thinking I would tow it down and
 then
  maybe just attach the strap and mock-tow it back(assuming it runs then),
  but
  it wouldn't have plates either way...  And it does go right past a
 police
  station...
 
  Anyone know if that's legal or not?  I was thinking it was...  But then
 I
  couldn't quite see how it could be if you can't pull a trailer without
  plates...
 
  Thanks,
  Levi
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[MBZ] New words, was: Need Manual trans fast

2007-08-02 Thread Loren Faeth
I vote for Catheyesque: As Jim Cathey would do.  As in repairing 
something with solder, tape, glue or as a last resort, parts from an 
unrelated vehicle or appliance to create an effective repair.  Used 
as in a Catheyesque repair


At 03:13 PM 8/1/2007, you wrote:
Offer to trade trannies with him for $100. Then you can
Catheyize Gump's tranny and write all about it.

Good plan, Mitch!  I think that the word Catheyize should be in the
American Automotive Dictionary.

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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread Rich Thomas
It's nice living in such a civilized state as NY I'm sure, as it was 
living in Massachusetts.  Here in Texas, things are so, um, uncivilized, 
that we don't generally have to worry about all that stuff.  Makes me 
want to move back to the more civilized parts of the country.

--R

Levi Smith wrote:
 Where/how can you get a paper tag for $10?  I thought NY was a pain cause
 there was no such thing as a temp tag?  Or is this something else?

 Levi

   
   

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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread Levi Smith
Well, I'm not sure of our level of civilization here.  I imagine I could
just tow it down there and back without issue.  BUT...  it's enough of a
hassle as it is that I'm not sure I want to chance it.  Just depends on the
cop.  I'm sure there are good ones out there, but personally I've yet to
really meet one that helped me(some just weren't as MUCH of a pain as
others) and generally they have only caused me pains...

Levi

On 8/2/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's nice living in such a civilized state as NY I'm sure, as it was
 living in Massachusetts.  Here in Texas, things are so, um, uncivilized,
 that we don't generally have to worry about all that stuff.  Makes me
 want to move back to the more civilized parts of the country.

 --R

 Levi Smith wrote:
  Where/how can you get a paper tag for $10?  I thought NY was a pain
 cause
  there was no such thing as a temp tag?  Or is this something else?
 
  Levi
 
 
 

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[MBZ] Becker and ipod

2007-08-02 Thread Zoltan Finks
On my trip driving my new 190D home from California, I tried to use my
ipod with it's little broadcasting chingazo that allows it to play
wirelessly through your radio. But it didn't work.

Are Becker Grand Prix radios too old to work with this technology?

Brian
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83 240D

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[MBZ] Removing tinting

2007-08-02 Thread Zoltan Finks
Any tips on removing the crummy window tinting on my 190D?

Brian

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Re: [MBZ] archives

2007-08-02 Thread Luther
Sometimes you have to lead Kaleb by the hand like a 2 year old

Luther

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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread Allan Streib
Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Well, I'm not sure of our level of civilization here.  I imagine I could
 just tow it down there and back without issue.  BUT...  it's enough of a
 hassle as it is that I'm not sure I want to chance it.  Just depends on the
 cop.  I'm sure there are good ones out there, but personally I've yet to
 really meet one that helped me(some just weren't as MUCH of a pain as
 others) and generally they have only caused me pains...

Friend of mine once towed a Ford Fairmont across the Indiana Toll Road
with a length of rope.  No hassle at all, he went through the manual
toll lanes and several cops passed him on the journey (according to
him).  He did have plates on it though.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod

2007-08-02 Thread Sunil Hari
can't be too old - if the Becker still picks up FM stations then it should
be fine.

Problems - iPod volume set too low, Becker not set to the broadcasting
channel, or too much interference from powered (real) FM stations.

On 8/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On my trip driving my new 190D home from California, I tried to use my
 ipod with it's little broadcasting chingazo that allows it to play
 wirelessly through your radio. But it didn't work.

 Are Becker Grand Prix radios too old to work with this technology?

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[MBZ] high altitude driving problem

2007-08-02 Thread Christopher McCann
Howdy all - 

Just got back from a 2,600 mile (5 day) western trip in the SD. LOTS of fun, 
but the car lost power at high altitude. Above 10,000 feet, it practically 
needed pushed to get moving uphill (from a standstill) and at 14,000 feet (Mt. 
Evans - highest paved road in north America), I floored it and it would not go 
up a 1% grade (from a stand still - once you got momentum and the tach above 
1500 rpm, turbo kicked in and it would go OK). SO, what is the problem?

Thanks,

Chris






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Re: [MBZ] high altitude driving problem

2007-08-02 Thread Tom Hargrave
No problem, no air = no HP.

Once the turbo kicked in, the boost pulled some power back in.

Tom
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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] high altitude driving problem
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Howdy all - 

Just got back from a 2,600 mile (5 day) western trip in the SD. LOTS of
fun, but the car lost power at high altitude. Above 10,000 feet, it
practically needed pushed to get moving uphill (from a standstill) and
at 14,000 feet (Mt. Evans - highest paved road in north America), I
floored it and it would not go up a 1% grade (from a stand still - once
you got momentum and the tach above 1500 rpm, turbo kicked in and it
would go OK). SO, what is the problem?

Thanks,

Chris






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Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz), German Shepherd
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-1985 300SD, 226K miles, Wulf
-1982 300Dt, 118K miles, little blue klatter box
   
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Re: [MBZ] Post Falls SL

2007-08-02 Thread Kevin Kraly
Good work once again, Jim!  What are your plans for this one?

Kevin in Portland, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod

2007-08-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 8/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On my trip driving my new 190D home from California, I tried to use my
 ipod with it's little broadcasting chingazo that allows it to play
 wirelessly through your radio. But it didn't work.


FWIW, I have two of those wireless iPod transmitter doohickeys.  One's
made by Griffin and one by Belkin.  Neither one works reliably.  You
have to experiment interminably with the position and angle of the
transmitter and the length of the power antenna until you find the
right combination to get the least staticky signal.  Then as soon as
you go around a corner and the iPod slides an inch across the seat or
dash, you have to do it all over again.  I went with a $5 cassette
adapter for my cars that have tape decks, and a head unit with a 1/8
aux input on the 300D, which didn't come with its original Becker or
any other head unit.  Much better.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al

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Re: [MBZ] high altitude driving problem

2007-08-02 Thread Rich Thomas
My son's SD had a similar problem a couple weeks ago on our road trip, 
listers suggested cleaning out the hose that comes off the back of the 
intake manifold and runs across to the ALDA.  He cleaned it out (and 
where it exits the manifold) and that sorted things out.  That line 
provides a pressure signal to increase the fuel flow with higher boost, 
apparently.  I'll find the previous mails on the subject.

--R

Christopher McCann wrote:
 Howdy all - 

 Just got back from a 2,600 mile (5 day) western trip in the SD. LOTS of fun, 
 but the car lost power at high altitude. Above 10,000 feet, it practically 
 needed pushed to get moving uphill (from a standstill) and at 14,000 feet 
 (Mt. Evans - highest paved road in north America), I floored it and it would 
 not go up a 1% grade (from a stand still - once you got momentum and the tach 
 above 1500 rpm, turbo kicked in and it would go OK). SO, what is the problem?

 Thanks,

 Chris






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 Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz), German Shepherd
 --
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 -1985 300SD, 226K miles, Wulf
 -1982 300Dt, 118K miles, little blue klatter box

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[MBZ] [Fwd: Re: Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?] -- high altitude driving problem

2007-08-02 Thread Rich Thomas
FWIW -- we also had shifting issues.

--R

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
Date:   Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:29:22 -0400
From:   Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:   Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Organization:   University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



What you describe is precisely what happens when the pressure line from 
the intake manifold to the ALDA (fuel enrichment device atop the 
injection pump) becomes clogged with soot/oil slurry. Along with the 
reduced power (like a non-turbocharged car) shifting is also affected. 
The most usual cause is a plugged pressure line, but a disconnected line 
or ANY plug of the line or the switchover valve between the intake 
manifold and the ALDA will result in the same effect. There are several 
other potential causes, but they are much less common.

When the problem is a plugged fuel or air filter, there will be a loss 
of power, but shifting will not be degraded.

Marshall
-- 
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [MBZ] Removing tinting

2007-08-02 Thread LWB250
A spray bottle of soapy water (fill with water and add
5-10 drops of dish detergent) and a razor blade
scraper.

I think there is stuff you can buy to soften the
adhesive, but it's probably nothing more than what I
described above.

Soak it well, let it sit for a while, soak it some
more, and start scraping.  If you can pry up a corner
or some other place on the edge to let the water start
getting under it, that will help to speed things up
considerably.

If you're living right it won't have been
professionally installed.  That stuff is a real bear
to remove.

Dan






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 Any tips on removing the crummy window tinting on my
 190D?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod

2007-08-02 Thread Loren Faeth
did you have the radio set to the right FM frequency?

At 02:08 PM 8/2/2007, you wrote:
On my trip driving my new 190D home from California, I tried to use my
ipod with it's little broadcasting chingazo that allows it to play
wirelessly through your radio. But it didn't work.

Are Becker Grand Prix radios too old to work with this technology?

Brian
87 190D
83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread Curt Raymond

I just want to point out if anybody ever comes through the people's republic of 
MA NONE of this fine stuff will fly.
In MA the state says if all 4 wheels are on the ground you WILL have current 
tags, you WILL have current insurance or you WILL get in deep doo doo.
Paper tags are not legal and that includes those issued in other states.

In actual fact State Troopers will almost never hassle you over something so 
piddling, I drove for 8 months with no inspection sticker, my inspection was 
current, I'd had the windshield replaced and forgot about it.

A friend drove his brand new car into MA from NH and got hassled by a small 
town cop for having a paper tag.

Another note, in Maine you have to PROVE insurance which means you have to have 
a slip of paper from your insurance company every 6 months proving you're 
current...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:43:36 -0500
From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

LarryT wrote:
 Technically, I suspect I was doing something illegal - driving my car
 with 
 someone elses tags (PO) -  but being insured was my biggest concern.

Maybe on the someone else's plates part, but you don't even need to
 have 
plates for a certain amount of time after you've bought the car.  In MS
 
you have seven days to license the vehicle after a purchase.  I drove
 my 
300D 2.5T from Ohio to MS and didn't have any problems... While in MS I
 
got pulled over and showed the bill of sale (the title in this case) 
which said I had purchased the car the day before.  Officer told me to 
have a nice day :)

I think the same is also true for insurance.  You have some minimum
 time 
where you're covered without actually having paid for it yet.  So long 
as you already have an insured vehicle ;)

John

   
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Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod

2007-08-02 Thread Curt Raymond

I have a Monster brand FM doohicky that I used in my 190D until my ipod died. 
It worked great but I have an aftermarket stereo.

I'd take a portable radio out to the car and try tuneing them together. 
Sometimes its hard to know which part is wrong. Thats what I like about the 
doohicky I have, it tells you what station to be on.

-Curt


Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:14:58 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 8/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On my trip driving my new 190D home from California, I tried to use
 my
 ipod with it's little broadcasting chingazo that allows it to play
 wirelessly through your radio. But it didn't work.


FWIW, I have two of those wireless iPod transmitter doohickeys.  One's
made by Griffin and one by Belkin.  Neither one works reliably.  You
have to experiment interminably with the position and angle of the
transmitter and the length of the power antenna until you find the
right combination to get the least staticky signal.  Then as soon as
you go around a corner and the iPod slides an inch across the seat or
dash, you have to do it all over again.  I went with a $5 cassette
adapter for my cars that have tape decks, and a head unit with a 1/8
aux input on the 300D, which didn't come with its original Becker or
any other head unit.  Much better.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al

   
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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread Kevin
Good to know California isn't the only state that thinks the constitution 
doesn't apply to it.

On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 02:15:40PM -0700, Curt Raymond wrote:
 Paper tags are not legal and that includes those issued in other states.

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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Re: Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?] -- high altitude driving problem

2007-08-02 Thread Christopher McCann
I also had shifting problems. Coming down the mountain, it slammed into each 
gear pretty hard. I thought I had toasted the tranny on the 30 mile climb to 
the peak, but the lower I got, the less the problem. The SD also SMOKED on the 
way down. It NEVER smokes and hasn't since.

Easy fix - excellent!

Kinda makes me want to go back and try again!

Thanks,

Chris



Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW -- we also had shifting issues.

--R

 Original Message 
Subject:  Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
Date:  Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:29:22 -0400
From:  Marshall Booth 
Reply-To:  Mercedes Discussion List 
Organization:  University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
To:  Mercedes Discussion List 
References:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



What you describe is precisely what happens when the pressure line from 
the intake manifold to the ALDA (fuel enrichment device atop the 
injection pump) becomes clogged with soot/oil slurry. Along with the 
reduced power (like a non-turbocharged car) shifting is also affected. 
The most usual cause is a plugged pressure line, but a disconnected line 
or ANY plug of the line or the switchover valve between the intake 
manifold and the ALDA will result in the same effect. There are several 
other potential causes, but they are much less common.

When the problem is a plugged fuel or air filter, there will be a loss 
of power, but shifting will not be degraded.

Marshall
-- 
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Re: Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?] -- high altitude driving problem

2007-08-02 Thread Alex Chamberlain
In short, not enough vacuum under the hood, and too much in the air.  ;)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al

On 8/2/07, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I also had shifting problems. Coming down the mountain, it slammed into each 
 gear pretty hard. I thought I had toasted the tranny on the 30 mile climb to 
 the peak, but the lower I got, the less the problem. The SD also SMOKED on 
 the way down. It NEVER smokes and hasn't since.

 Easy fix - excellent!

 Kinda makes me want to go back and try again!

 Thanks,

 Chris



 Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW -- we also had shifting issues.

 --R

  Original Message 
 Subject:  Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
 Date:  Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:29:22 -0400
 From:  Marshall Booth
 Reply-To:  Mercedes Discussion List
 Organization:  University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
 To:  Mercedes Discussion List
 References:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 What you describe is precisely what happens when the pressure line from
 the intake manifold to the ALDA (fuel enrichment device atop the
 injection pump) becomes clogged with soot/oil slurry. Along with the
 reduced power (like a non-turbocharged car) shifting is also affected.
 The most usual cause is a plugged pressure line, but a disconnected line
 or ANY plug of the line or the switchover valve between the intake
 manifold and the ALDA will result in the same effect. There are several
 other potential causes, but they are much less common.

 When the problem is a plugged fuel or air filter, there will be a loss
 of power, but shifting will not be degraded.

 Marshall
 --
 Marshall Booth Ph.D.
 Ass't Prof. (ret.)
 Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Re: Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?] -- high altitude driving problem

2007-08-02 Thread Christopher McCann
the vacuum in the air was very apparent to my body. I nearly fainted. Breathe 
deeply - walk slowly.

Chris


Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short, not enough vacuum under 
the hood, and too much in the air.  ;)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al

On 8/2/07, Christopher McCann  wrote:
 I also had shifting problems. Coming down the mountain, it slammed into each 
 gear pretty hard. I thought I had toasted the tranny on the 30 mile climb to 
 the peak, but the lower I got, the less the problem. The SD also SMOKED on 
 the way down. It NEVER smokes and hasn't since.

 Easy fix - excellent!

 Kinda makes me want to go back and try again!

 Thanks,

 Chris



 Rich Thomas  wrote: FWIW -- we also had shifting issues.

 --R

  Original Message 
 Subject:  Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
 Date:  Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:29:22 -0400
 From:  Marshall Booth
 Reply-To:  Mercedes Discussion List
 Organization:  University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
 To:  Mercedes Discussion List
 References:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 What you describe is precisely what happens when the pressure line from
 the intake manifold to the ALDA (fuel enrichment device atop the
 injection pump) becomes clogged with soot/oil slurry. Along with the
 reduced power (like a non-turbocharged car) shifting is also affected.
 The most usual cause is a plugged pressure line, but a disconnected line
 or ANY plug of the line or the switchover valve between the intake
 manifold and the ALDA will result in the same effect. There are several
 other potential causes, but they are much less common.

 When the problem is a plugged fuel or air filter, there will be a loss
 of power, but shifting will not be degraded.

 Marshall
 --
 Marshall Booth Ph.D.
 Ass't Prof. (ret.)
 Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread John Freer
Huh?

few years ago I drove from FL to CA with a transit paper plate from FL.

Also from Utah to CA with a transit Utah paper plate.

Last month my CDI arrived from AZ with a paper plate.

Never hassled me down at the DMV. In fact, they gave me credit for the
amount of time I still had on the paper plates from the other States when I
went to register the cars.

New cars in CA all have paper plates until the regular plates arrive.




On 8/2/07, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good to know California isn't the only state that thinks the constitution
 doesn't apply to it.

 On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 02:15:40PM -0700, Curt Raymond wrote:
  Paper tags are not legal and that includes those issued in other states.

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Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod

2007-08-02 Thread Zoltan Finks
Good idea. I can try the portable radio.

Yes, I think I was properly following the procedure I had used in my
Saab. I simply chose a station that had as close to pure static as
possible, then chose that frequency from the ipod and hit play and
then, well, I forget what to hit next. But usually, once I hit play,
it would just work in a few seconds.

Now to figure how to set the time on the radio. The car's owner's
manual shows a slightly different radio - with a couple more features.

When did the digital radio show up in these cars anyway? I seem to
have a pretty early one.

Brian
87 190D

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Re: [MBZ] Get Thee to Benz Friendz

2007-08-02 Thread Zeitgeist
I was in communication with one of their guys, via a craigslist ad,
regarding an OM603 shortblock, but I can't make it up there, anytime
soon--bummer.  I think I'm gonna need one in the near future.


Casey
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Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod

2007-08-02 Thread mykd1
Is the chingazo you refering to a FM modulator? If so the age of the radio 
doesn't matter since all you are doing is capturing a unused fm station the 
play the ipod through.


Harry
69 280 SEL 
72 350SL ?
04 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata ? 


-Original Message-
From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 2:08 pm
Subject: [MBZ] Becker and ipod



On my trip driving my new 190D home from California, I tried to use my
ipod with it's little broadcasting chingazo that allows it to play
wirelessly through your radio. But it didn't work.

Are Becker Grand Prix radios too old to work with this technology?

Brian
87 190D
83 240D

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[MBZ] Get Thee to Benz Friendz

2007-08-02 Thread Redghost
There is a Grosser parked under some sheet metal bits living in the  
warehouse.  Not to say the 190SL and 250SL at the shop are a slouch,  
along with the old wagon (pre TD) and all the other goodies.

Somebody has to get there with a huge truck and salvage all the parts  
that will end up in the dump or crusher.  There are engines,  
transmissions, sheet metal and a horde of interior parts just begging  
to be sold on eBay --- Kaleb!!  Get a truck and come haul this away.   
You are bound to have enough there to keep you in $500 cars for the  
rest of your natural life.

If anybody needed rear doors for a TD of either 123 or 124 vintage,  
they have it and tail lights too.  Any of the diesel engines up to  
the 603.xx  as well as all sorts of vergasser.

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Re: [MBZ] archives

2007-08-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Some people work full time, and sqeeze in time to also run a parts 
business on the side.  Then try and fit time on for all my various 
projects.  You get the picture.

Luther wrote:
 Sometimes you have to lead Kaleb by the hand like a 2 year old
 
 Luther
 
 On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:13:25 -0500, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 There is not a link from the main page.
 I think that was his point. ;)


 
 
 

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Re: [MBZ] Removing tinting

2007-08-02 Thread mykd1
Using a wet sponge to wet the tinted side of the glass then use a razor blade, 
starting at one corner and just peel off the tint. It should come off in one 
piece if you pull it off slowly


Harry
69 280 SEL 
72 350SL ?
04 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata ? 


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 2:09 pm
Subject: [MBZ] Removing tinting



Any tips on removing the crummy window tinting on my 190D?

Brian

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Re: [MBZ] Post Falls SL

2007-08-02 Thread Jim Cathey
 Good work once again, Jim!  What are your plans for this one?

Small-scale rolling restoration, followed by sale for a modest
profit.  Will be cheap even at the end.  Such is the plan, anyway.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod

2007-08-02 Thread Zoltan Finks
Very interesting - placement close to the actual antenna matters. I'll
play around with that.

And yes, I did figure that digital radio technology was, well, digital
radio technology, no matter if it's 20 years old or 2. Was just a
surprise that it wouldn't work.

Brian

On 8/2/07, ned kleinhenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Brian:

 My daughter has one of those little FM broadcasters she uses with her i-pod
 (or Zen or whatever) in her NIsssan Sentra.
 The little thing is pretty sensitive to where it is placed relative to the
 radio antenna.  And the Nissan antenna is mounted on the front fender, right
 outside the windshield.

 I don't know know about your 190d, but the antennae on our 123's and 124's
 are mounted on the rear fender - pretty far from the dash and cigarette
 lighter.  I've heard of people actually placing the i-pod with
 broadcaster in the back window to make it work with a rear antenna.

 Ned Kleinhenz
 '95 E300D x2
 '85 300D
 '80 300TD
 (2 BMW;'s, 1 Nissan, 1 Toyota, and 1 Chrysler.)
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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread slozukimc
My friend Travis and I towed his new to him Subaru Legacy home to NY from
MD with two ratchet straps tied together to make a tow strap after the
towbar broke.

Mike

 Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Well, I'm not sure of our level of civilization here.  I imagine I
 could
 just tow it down there and back without issue.  BUT...  it's enough of
 a
 hassle as it is that I'm not sure I want to chance it.  Just depends on
 the
 cop.  I'm sure there are good ones out there, but personally I've yet
 to
 really meet one that helped me(some just weren't as MUCH of a pain as
 others) and generally they have only caused me pains...

 Friend of mine once towed a Ford Fairmont across the Indiana Toll Road
 with a length of rope.  No hassle at all, he went through the manual
 toll lanes and several cops passed him on the journey (according to
 him).  He did have plates on it though.

 Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?

2007-08-02 Thread slozukimc
Go to the DMV, prove you have insurance and fill out the form for a 30 day
temporary transit tag.  Allows transporting to and from certain places as
stated when you fill out the formYou might want to fib a little
about what you intend to do with it.Costs a whoppin huge 10 bucks
and the title doesn't even have to be in your name!!

Mike

 Where/how can you get a paper tag for $10?  I thought NY was a pain cause
 there was no such thing as a temp tag?  Or is this something else?

 Levi

 On 8/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 If it will run and drive you can put insurance on it and buy a paper
 tag
 for 10 bucks.

 Mike

  Do you folks have repair plates? Around here the garages usually
 have
 a
  repair plate that can be used to
  transport a vehicle to the garage. The garage will usually lend you
 the
  plate in order to get the vehicle in.
 
  Some places also will sell you a one day permit to move a vehicle. I
 know
  you can get one here to move a vehicle to
  another province. Don't know if you can get one to move a vehicle
 within
  the province. Would probably have to have
  a current safety certificate to do that in any event.
 
  Another option is to get a tow truck. It will be cheaper in the long
 run
  than a ticket or an accident if you get
  caught or if things go wrong. I had a Jeep towed home for my younger
 son
 a
  month or so ago and and it cost $70 for
  a tow of 5 miles or so. I was tempted to tow it behind one of our
 trucks
  but also thought it would cost more than
  the tow to replace the back bumper on the truck if the Jeep happened
 to
  bump me.
 
  I have towed with  just a rope. I towed a friend about 35 miles. He
 had
 a
  mid 80's full size Cadillac with an
  engine knock. He kept the motor running to provide power steering and
  brakes and I towed him with my old Chevy
  pickup. It was pretty smooth. You really want to be able to trust the
  other driver no matter whether you are in the
  tow vehicle or the towed vehicle.
 
  Also towed a Chevy pickup home from about 50 miles away on a 1/2
 nylon
  rope behind a Ford pickup many years ago.
  No real problem. I drove the tow vehicle and my father steered the
 towed
  vehicle. I don't think he trusted me to
  not hit him from behind. I was pretty young then and he just
 instructed
 me
  to keep the speed down to about 40 mph
  and let him worry about not running into the back of me. It was
 pretty
  hilly country and we slowed a bit going up
  hills but there was not much traffic and we got home fine.
 
  Randy - in Winnipeg
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Levi Smith
  Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:43 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: [MBZ] Legality of towing unregistered car in NY?
 
 
  Anyone happen to know what the legality is of towing an unregistered
 car
  in
  NY?
 
  I've got a Subaru that needs fixing and I think I may let someone
 else
 do
  it, but it's not registered...  I'm thinking I would tow it down and
 then
  maybe just attach the strap and mock-tow it back(assuming it runs
 then),
  but
  it wouldn't have plates either way...  And it does go right past a
 police
  station...
 
  Anyone know if that's legal or not?  I was thinking it was...  But
 then
 I
  couldn't quite see how it could be if you can't pull a trailer
 without
  plates...
 
  Thanks,
  Levi
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Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod

2007-08-02 Thread ned kleinhenz
Brian:

My daughter has one of those little FM broadcasters she uses with her i-pod
(or Zen or whatever) in her NIsssan Sentra.
The little thing is pretty sensitive to where it is placed relative to the
radio antenna.  And the Nissan antenna is mounted on the front fender, right
outside the windshield.

I don't know know about your 190d, but the antennae on our 123's and 124's
are mounted on the rear fender - pretty far from the dash and cigarette
lighter.  I've heard of people actually placing the i-pod with
broadcaster in the back window to make it work with a rear antenna.

Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D x2
'85 300D
'80 300TD
(2 BMW;'s, 1 Nissan, 1 Toyota, and 1 Chrysler.)
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Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod

2007-08-02 Thread Affzaal.Khan
Belkin unit is disappointing , noisy and poor audio quality .the cassette 
works just fine!
mak
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Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod


 On 8/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On my trip driving my new 190D home from California, I tried to use my
 ipod with it's little broadcasting chingazo that allows it to play
 wirelessly through your radio. But it didn't work.


 FWIW, I have two of those wireless iPod transmitter doohickeys.  One's
 made by Griffin and one by Belkin.  Neither one works reliably.  You
 have to experiment interminably with the position and angle of the
 transmitter and the length of the power antenna until you find the
 right combination to get the least staticky signal.  Then as soon as
 you go around a corner and the iPod slides an inch across the seat or
 dash, you have to do it all over again.  I went with a $5 cassette
 adapter for my cars that have tape decks, and a head unit with a 1/8
 aux input on the 300D, which didn't come with its original Becker or
 any other head unit.  Much better.

 Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] Get Thee to Benz Friendz

2007-08-02 Thread Redghost
Casey, just get up here soon.  They are talking about needing to  
clear it all out by the end of August.  I was not sure if I should  
cry or swear off viagra with all the hardware I saw.  Engines for  
almost any application a three point star had.  Jim Cathey needs to  
head over and get those missing parts for all his waiting list cars.



On 2 Aug 2007, at 18:17, Zeitgeist wrote:

 I was in communication with one of their guys, via a craigslist ad,
 regarding an OM603 shortblock, but I can't make it up there, anytime
 soon--bummer.  I think I'm gonna need one in the near future.


 Casey

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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] Removing tinting

2007-08-02 Thread Redghost
Razor scraper?

clay

On 2 Aug 2007, at 12:09, Zoltan Finks wrote:

 Any tips on removing the crummy window tinting on my 190D?

 Brian

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Re: [MBZ] Becker and ipod

2007-08-02 Thread Redghost
As long as your radio can pull in 87.7 or whatever the lowest freq.  
is the chingazo should work.  Maybe the chingazo is junk and the  
becker is fine.  Or the Becker just does not pull that low of a signal.

clay

On 2 Aug 2007, at 12:08, Zoltan Finks wrote:

 On my trip driving my new 190D home from California, I tried to use my
 ipod with it's little broadcasting chingazo that allows it to play
 wirelessly through your radio. But it didn't work.

 Are Becker Grand Prix radios too old to work with this technology?

 Brian
 87 190D
 83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Did they make a 15 bundt wheel

2007-08-02 Thread E M
Are these the rims that look like a bunt cake pan?  Or like a turbine fan?

Didn't Ronal make the rims for the early AMG cars, or were they just copying
the AMG rim?

Ed
300E

On 02/08/07, Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If someone is serious about obtaining the 15 bundts, I can get them. I
 have a connection that has them available in limited numbers, new,
 never mounted, genuine MB, no aftermarket junk. The cost is quite
 considerable, however.

 WRT the aftermarket variants, I would suggest only obtaining Ronals as
 they were manufactured to a higher standard. I have heard the ATS and
 Centra variants have issues with hub cracking over time from more than
 one source. Those variants lack a metal collar where the lug bolt
 presses against the rim and due to over-tightening the lugs, something
 more than common, the hubs will begin to crack. If you have a set of
 these, I suggest that you have them x-rayed to check for potential
 failure.

 Mathieu
 www.oldworldauto.com


 On Aug 2, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

  They did NOT come as standard equipment on a 6.9. They were a very
  expensive
  option that very few people paid for, which is why they are so rare.
  They
  were never sold as a replacement part. You had to order them at the
  time you
  ordered your 6.9 new. That was the ONLY way to get them. Centra, a now
  defunct wheel manufacturer made a very nice copy (Gary has some on his
  6.3)
  that sold for about 10 years back in the late 70's and early 80's.
  those are
  usually what you will see on EBay.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] parts fraud.

2007-08-02 Thread Affzaal.Khan
   It was my  shipping address in  Westlake OH , and All other packages 
arrived promptly  except this one.
mak
.
 Might be due to not living here and needing the parts to ship to over
 there, where Rusty has run into trouble getting parts to ship over
 there for reasonable and without getting local customs officials
 involved.  Or maybe it was because the folks in the great white north
 were not doing something good and 

 What the heck do I know?  Would have been better to have Rusty
 provide parts for him to ship home himself.

 clay


 On 31 Jul 2007, at 15:56, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 Never heard of them but not sure why anyone would buy parts there when
 Rusty has the best price on new parts and I have the best price on
 used.

 Affzaal.Khan wrote:
 Larry
  Belatedly I  found that there is awebsite  warning about  EAP
 Auto parts  .and their rip-off game  of not shipping the parts.

  Apparently other people have been defrauded too. Pity there is
 nothing one can do and they blatantly  carry on defrauding people.
 their website is:   eaparts.com
  It does come up along with the warning site if you do a Google
 search for eaparts.

 Regards
 mak
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Re: [MBZ] high altitude driving problem

2007-08-02 Thread JFreezn
Chris,  
 
If you haven't adjusted your ALDA, adjusting it CCW about a turn and a half  
will do wonders.  As your SD went higher, the ALDA naturally reduced fuel  to 
minimize smoking.  The springs and such have weakened in your injection  pump, 
also reducing fuel delivery at any given point, but especially noticeable  in 
the power area before boost comes in.  Reducing fuel  reduces power 
availability!  Of course, way too much fuel will kill power  too.  But there is 
much 
room for improvement!
 
Another problem is that the torque converter stall speed is set so low on  
the early turbodiesels that the boost cannot come in until the car is  moving.  
On my car the boost is also locked out when the trans is in  low gear.  Both 
these problems were corrected by MB when they removed the  low gear protection 
circuit in 81, and later loosened up the stall speed about  84 or 85.
 
 Many years ago we had the same problem with our 79 300SD.  On  the Pikes 
Peak road no less.   We could go like hell as long as the  boost was up.  On 
the 
12 % grade two cars had stopped in opposite  directions, effectively blocking 
traffic, and we had to stop.  Ended up  backing down the hill to a flat spot 
about 1000 feet back.  Kids were  crying, wife was doing what wives do.  No one 
else in the car really wanted  to try it again. When the road was clear, we 
went, no problems!
 
I have since learned to adjust the ALDA, and when my engine was out for  
overhaul, I had the local trans shop shim the torque converter for a little 
more  
stall speed.  I also bypassed the trans protection circuit. Nobody beats me  
across the intersection when the light changes, if I don't want them to!
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 267 K miles 
98 ML 320, 151 K  miles




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