Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
Please explain why a rough running diesel can be diagnosed as weak injectors with different pop pressures. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But for all practical purposes, diesel fuel is not compressible. It's like the pendulum composed of 5 suspended balls. You pull one away, let go and as soon as it hits the second one, the 5th one swings out, then the 5th one swings back in, hits the 4th one the first one swings out, etc, etc. In this example, what's being transferred in the energy provided by releasing the first ball. The same is true with the fuel in the injection lines. The IP delivers pressure to the front end, the pressure travels down the line in a very fast moving wave, the pressure wave overcomes the poppet valve spring pressure the entire column of fuel moves down the line. This is also why diesel injector lines are all a constant length. The pressure wave travels at a set speed if the lines were different lengths then you really would have a timing issue. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
I have several brands of Winmodem and I'm not sure which brand is in the computer I'm trying Ubuntu in. All are 56K dialup accessing an ISP. When I tried to set up Red Hat a few years ago, it wouldn't recognize my Winmodem; it said I needed a standard modem which cost about $80 back then. Since then I've heard that quite a few distributions do recognize Windmodems. Gerry - Winmodems are dicey. It all depends on the chipset. Some work, quick and easy. Others require compiling a driver. Some don't work at all. Lots more info at: http://www.linmodems.org/ Thanks, Phillip. That IBM PCI modem at Eagle is only $17.40, so I might order it. I also remembered buying a modem on a sale table at some store. It's a V-92 (or less) controllerless 56K (Stratitec) modem which requires Windows 98 or later, or Linux 2.4 kernel or later. I'll stick that in a computer and see if it will work with Ubuntu, Knoppix, or DSL. That's the only modem I've seen that mentions Linux. Shipping is like $10, so find some others stuff to order with it. *smile* If you have a winmodem, stick it in and run the script that linmodem.org has. It will poke around and figure out what you have and what is needed - and if it's a hopeless case. And if you have more questions, stop on by Kaleb's Linux/Mercedes/off-topic list. It's much, much, slower than this one. Those of us that muck about with real operating systems hang out over there. -- Philip Great! I'll try your suggestions later this week and check in at Linux/Mercedes/off-topic list. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
The increase in pressure is not instant. Thus different opening pressures will change the timing and the amount of fuel delivered. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter Please explain why a rough running diesel can be diagnosed as weak injectors with different pop pressures. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But for all practical purposes, diesel fuel is not compressible. It's like the pendulum composed of 5 suspended balls. You pull one away, let go and as soon as it hits the second one, the 5th one swings out, then the 5th one swings back in, hits the 4th one the first one swings out, etc, etc. In this example, what's being transferred in the energy provided by releasing the first ball. The same is true with the fuel in the injection lines. The IP delivers pressure to the front end, the pressure travels down the line in a very fast moving wave, the pressure wave overcomes the poppet valve spring pressure the entire column of fuel moves down the line. This is also why diesel injector lines are all a constant length. The pressure wave travels at a set speed if the lines were different lengths then you really would have a timing issue. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D
Which makes me feel real good about the 40-43mpg I can get out of my 190D if I take it easy -Curt Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:46:04 -0700 From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peter said of his brother: He drives a VW Jetta Diesel -- 55 mpg highway. He must be driving a 5 speed, AC off, windows up, 55mph, slight tailwind. All of my friends who have Jetta TDIs are getting 48mpg tops (but that's AC on, auto trannys, 75-80mph on the freeway). Bob R. 1977 300D 178K Goodyear, - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Where is the ACC temp sensor? W124
I've been noticing a little bit of oddities with how my ACC is working in the 92 300D 2.5T, but it was never enough of a problem to worry about. Now that I'm on travel and am driving other people around the ACC has decided it only likes to operate in full heat or full cold (it will work inbetween for a little bit before it swings to the other side). It seems to me that my temperature sensor just isn't sensing the in-car temperature right, but since I'm traveling I don't have my W124 CD... so where is the sensor? I think it is in the overhead light, but I'm not for sure. Is this as simple as replacing a foam hose like on the older cars or is there something else? Thanks!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Welcome to the club Casey. I can certainly relate. It seems like a lot of the time when I do some automotive project, I make six trips to the store and usually have to correct something that I screwed up when I was fixing the previous item. I didn't work on my car this weekend, but I did some home improvement projects (we are selling our house and I needed to fix a few things). Here's my dumbshit story: I had to replace the bathroom faucet. Not that big of a deal, right? Our house was built in 1929, so it has lots of cool architectural details and lots of character. What that usually means is that modern day replacement items don't fit and must be retrofitted in order to work. We have a pedestal sink in the hall bathroom. I had to move the pedestal out of the way to get at the plastic nuts that hold the faucet in place. I had already broken one of the knobs, so I had to replace the faucet that day. As I am moving the pedestal out of the way, I twisted it and a large junk broke off in my hand. Because of the awkward position of my hands and body, my hand dropped the broken piece and slid straight down the razor sharp edge of the broken porcelain. It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. As you can imagine using tools and twisting and torqueing everything in there, my bandage would not stay on (not that it mattered it was soaking through in less than 60 seconds). I probably should have gone to the ER and gotten it stitched, but that wouldn't be very manly, so I just worked through it. About 45 minutes later, I was done. It looked like someone had been murdered in our bathroom. The bathroom is black and white (lots of white). It looked like the restroom in a slaughterhouse when I was done. I had gone through all of the gauze bandages in my first aid kit and had switched to paper towels. Now, I have to figure out how to glue the pedestal back together or buy a new one. This is fairly routine. I usually hurt myself in one or the other for every home improvement project. If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
ROFLOL!! Actually, it would have been more manly to take the stitches IMO. That's one feature of medical care that I really do NOT cotton to. On 8/13/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Welcome to the club Casey. I can certainly relate. It seems like a lot of the time when I do some automotive project, I make six trips to the store and usually have to correct something that I screwed up when I was fixing the previous item. I didn't work on my car this weekend, but I did some home improvement projects (we are selling our house and I needed to fix a few things). Here's my dumbshit story: I had to replace the bathroom faucet. Not that big of a deal, right? Our house was built in 1929, so it has lots of cool architectural details and lots of character. What that usually means is that modern day replacement items don't fit and must be retrofitted in order to work. We have a pedestal sink in the hall bathroom. I had to move the pedestal out of the way to get at the plastic nuts that hold the faucet in place. I had already broken one of the knobs, so I had to replace the faucet that day. As I am moving the pedestal out of the way, I twisted it and a large junk broke off in my hand. Because of the awkward position of my hands and body, my hand dropped the broken piece and slid straight down the razor sharp edge of the broken porcelain. It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. As you can imagine using tools and twisting and torqueing everything in there, my bandage would not stay on (not that it mattered it was soaking through in less than 60 seconds). I probably should have gone to the ER and gotten it stitched, but that wouldn't be very manly, so I just worked through it. About 45 minutes later, I was done. It looked like someone had been murdered in our bathroom. The bathroom is black and white (lots of white). It looked like the restroom in a slaughterhouse when I was done. I had gone through all of the gauze bandages in my first aid kit and had switched to paper towels. Now, I have to figure out how to glue the pedestal back together or buy a new one. This is fairly routine. I usually hurt myself in one or the other for every home improvement project. If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
I dont know why, but I thought that story was funny --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Welcome to the club Casey. I can certainly relate. It seems like a lot of the time when I do some automotive project, I make six trips to the store and usually have to correct something that I screwed up when I was fixing the previous item. I didn't work on my car this weekend, but I did some home improvement projects (we are selling our house and I needed to fix a few things). Here's my dumbshit story: I had to replace the bathroom faucet. Not that big of a deal, right? Our house was built in 1929, so it has lots of cool architectural details and lots of character. What that usually means is that modern day replacement items don't fit and must be retrofitted in order to work. We have a pedestal sink in the hall bathroom. I had to move the pedestal out of the way to get at the plastic nuts that hold the faucet in place. I had already broken one of the knobs, so I had to replace the faucet that day. As I am moving the pedestal out of the way, I twisted it and a large junk broke off in my hand. Because of the awkward position of my hands and body, my hand dropped the broken piece and slid straight down the razor sharp edge of the broken porcelain. It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. As you can imagine using tools and twisting and torqueing everything in there, my bandage would not stay on (not that it mattered it was soaking through in less than 60 seconds). I probably should have gone to the ER and gotten it stitched, but that wouldn't be very manly, so I just worked through it. About 45 minutes later, I was done. It looked like someone had been murdered in our bathroom. The bathroom is black and white (lots of white). It looked like the restroom in a slaughterhouse when I was done. I had gone through all of the gauze bandages in my first aid kit and had switched to paper towels. Now, I have to figure out how to glue the pedestal back together or buy a new one. This is fairly routine. I usually hurt myself in one or the other for every home improvement project. If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
Let's try another brand, I have never heard of this before. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I use what Rusty sends me... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I suspect that you are using the wrong filter the element is being crushed when you tighten down the lid. There are 2 filters used on later (1977 on) Mercedes diesels they look identical until you place them side by side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
No, what would be manly is to go get a needle and thread, and fix it up right there so you can keep working with a proper repair! Or maybe some JB Weld or microwave oven bits? Really though, if you find yourself in a bind like that, superglue works wonders to put things back together skin-wise -- it is used in some cases to close wounds without stitches. I think you can buy some at the drugstore that is specially formulated for cuts and such (that means a new packaging and a much higher price), but it is the same stuff as your regular superglue. I might be FOS but my neighbor the trauma surgeon told me that, and another surgeon friend said yeah that'll work. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: ROFLOL!! Actually, it would have been more manly to take the stitches IMO. That's one feature of medical care that I really do NOT cotton to. On 8/13/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Welcome to the club Casey. I can certainly relate. It seems like a lot of the time when I do some automotive project, I make six trips to the store and usually have to correct something that I screwed up when I was fixing the previous item. I didn't work on my car this weekend, but I did some home improvement projects (we are selling our house and I needed to fix a few things). Here's my dumbshit story: I had to replace the bathroom faucet. Not that big of a deal, right? Our house was built in 1929, so it has lots of cool architectural details and lots of character. What that usually means is that modern day replacement items don't fit and must be retrofitted in order to work. We have a pedestal sink in the hall bathroom. I had to move the pedestal out of the way to get at the plastic nuts that hold the faucet in place. I had already broken one of the knobs, so I had to replace the faucet that day. As I am moving the pedestal out of the way, I twisted it and a large junk broke off in my hand. Because of the awkward position of my hands and body, my hand dropped the broken piece and slid straight down the razor sharp edge of the broken porcelain. It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. As you can imagine using tools and twisting and torqueing everything in there, my bandage would not stay on (not that it mattered it was soaking through in less than 60 seconds). I probably should have gone to the ER and gotten it stitched, but that wouldn't be very manly, so I just worked through it. About 45 minutes later, I was done. It looked like someone had been murdered in our bathroom. The bathroom is black and white (lots of white). It looked like the restroom in a slaughterhouse when I was done. I had gone through all of the gauze bandages in my first aid kit and had switched to paper towels. Now, I have to figure out how to glue the pedestal back together or buy a new one. This is fairly routine. I usually hurt myself in one or the other for every home improvement project. If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] More Diesel Clatter
One day last week I ran out for a quick lunch mid-afternoon. Went through the drive through at the local Wendy's. It was warm out and I had the AC on and the idle turned up to help with that on my 76 300D. I had to pull up to the window to give my order as the young lady with the headset could not tell what I was saying to her over the clatter of the engine. I did not think it sounded louder than normal but I suppose it is a bit noisier than most new cars. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
Luther wrote: Please explain why a rough running diesel can be diagnosed as weak injectors with different pop pressures. A diesel engine will NOT idle smoothly if the injector pop pressures exceed a 5 bar range. With the pressure matched even closer (2-3 bar) the engine will idle even more smoothly (providing everything else is working as it should). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Rich Thomas wrote: Really though, if you find yourself in a bind like that, superglue works wonders to put things back together skin-wise -- it is used in some cases to close wounds without stitches. I think you can buy some at the drugstore that is specially formulated for cuts and such (that means a new packaging and a much higher price), but it is the same stuff as your regular superglue. I might be FOS but my neighbor the trauma surgeon told me that, and another surgeon friend said yeah that'll work. The way I heard it, the medical grade stuff doesn't have the preservatives and stabilizers that let it sit on the shelf for a year and still be liquid. I was also told that any CA (Cyanoacrylate) glue would do. I store my CA glue in the freezer, it gets thick and stiff after 5-10 years and I buy another bottle. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
You folks down south probably don't know what an interior car warmer is but up here in the north, folks used to routinely install one of these little electric heaters in their cars. The primary advantage, so far as I was concerned, was the fact that it would keep the windows clear and one did not have to scrape the ice off in the morning if the car was parked outdoors. At any rate, they seem to have disappeared for the most part. I think that the energy crunch has had something to do with that as many electrical outlets have been set up so that they will not let one plug in too much or the circuit cuts out. That means you likely cannot use the car heater in the lot at work and that has lessened the joy of having it. In any event, the reason for this post was to recall that a friend who got a new Honda Civic a week or so before Christmas one year not too long ago, also got a car warmer for a present. He and his father decided to install it on Boxing Day and drilled a hole through the fire wall to run the electrical cord into the car. They just happened to drill right through the AC core. An expensive lesson as I think it cost the better part of $1000 to dismantle and replace the unit and have it recharged etc. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Here's great fun for the whole family... So, last week I was whining about my mal-performing AC, and dumbshitedly assumed that my compressor was failing--WRONG! Turns out that Mr Cathey was correct, when he pointed out that my needle valve on the high side might be improperly seated. I was overcharged. Once I bled off some refrigerant, it began working nice and peachy--cool. Then, I augmented the effect by having my windows professionally tinted--also cool. Then...I launched into my pièce de résistance; I began to finally re-install an auxiliary fan(s), which I'd removed during the intercooler interlude--wouldn't fit anymore. I've been without for about 2.5 years--not smart. But wait, it gets even not-smarter... I ordered two little 9 SPAL units, along with various mounting options, including little nifty stainless pins that fit between the fins and hold the fans (they're fairly lightweight) right tightly up against the condenser. They're so cute and alluring, that I couldn't resist. By now, you've probably figured out what happened next, haven't you? Yes, that gut-wrenching hiss and steamy cloud followed my third exploratory poke. It's still venting as I type this... -- Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More Diesel Clatter
It's common. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 8/13/07 10:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] More Diesel Clatter One day last week I ran out for a quick lunch mid-afternoon. Went through the drive through at the local Wendy's. It was warm out and I had the AC on and the idle turned up to help with that on my 76 300D. I had to pull up to the window to give my order as the young lady with the headset could not tell what I was saying to her over the clatter of the engine. I did not think it sounded louder than normal but I suppose it is a bit noisier than most new cars. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Where is the ACC temp sensor? W124
yes, that is where its located but it doesnt have a foam tube. There will be an aspirator motor behind the glove box, make sure its running. As a test, you should be able to put a little piece of tissue against the sensor intake and it should hold there --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: [MBZ] Where is the ACC temp sensor? W124 I've been noticing a little bit of oddities with how my ACC is working in the 92 300D 2.5T, but it was never enough of a problem to worry about. Now that I'm on travel and am driving other people around the ACC has decided it only likes to operate in full heat or full cold (it will work inbetween for a little bit before it swings to the other side). It seems to me that my temperature sensor just isn't sensing the in-car temperature right, but since I'm traveling I don't have my W124 CD... so where is the sensor? I think it is in the overhead light, but I'm not for sure. Is this as simple as replacing a foam hose like on the older cars or is there something else? Thanks!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
When I order, I usually choose the Mann. Last order I chose three Hengst. We'll see how they do.. So...when these Mann filters separate does that allow a path for the oil to go unfiltered you reckon? Bob R '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 7:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart Let's try another brand, I have never heard of this before. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I use what Rusty sends me... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I suspect that you are using the wrong filter the element is being crushed when you tighten down the lid. There are 2 filters used on later (1977 on) Mercedes diesels they look identical until you place them side by side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
I usually use Hengst, last time I ordered I got the no-name cheapos. Interestingly my last oil analysis shows that at 9xxx miles everything was fine and I could keep going. I changed the oil anyway, the car was making those noises that tell me its time. Anyway I'd say that filter was filtering at least the normal number of contaminents... -Curt Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:59:03 -0700 From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I order, I usually choose the Mann. Last order I chose three Hengst. We'll see how they do.. So...when these Mann filters separate does that allow a path for the oil to go unfiltered you reckon? Bob R '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Good time for it apparently. I'm off to NYC this afternoon so today I work from home. Figured it'd do my back good to stack some wood, just work slow, stack easy. Then I got annoyed a a bush growing in the way, its all dead so I start yanking. Well the stupid root comes out of the ground and a branch stabs into my arm and breaks off! Leaves about a pencil sized piece sticking 1/4 into me. Inside I pulled the piece out with pliers washed it all off good and dosed it with hydrogen peroxide. I've got pressure on it with a paper towel right now but its not bleeding much and the hole has closed to about a 3/16 slit. I'll pack it good with antibiotic cream and put a bandaid on, I don't think theres any real damage... That oughta teach me but it probably won't... -Curt Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:03:03 -0500 From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
You think it's funny because we all know that each one of us has done something like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 7:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! I dont know why, but I thought that story was funny --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Welcome to the club Casey. I can certainly relate. It seems like a lot of the time when I do some automotive project, I make six trips to the store and usually have to correct something that I screwed up when I was fixing the previous item. I didn't work on my car this weekend, but I did some home improvement projects (we are selling our house and I needed to fix a few things). Here's my dumbshit story: I had to replace the bathroom faucet. Not that big of a deal, right? Our house was built in 1929, so it has lots of cool architectural details and lots of character. What that usually means is that modern day replacement items don't fit and must be retrofitted in order to work. We have a pedestal sink in the hall bathroom. I had to move the pedestal out of the way to get at the plastic nuts that hold the faucet in place. I had already broken one of the knobs, so I had to replace the faucet that day. As I am moving the pedestal out of the way, I twisted it and a large junk broke off in my hand. Because of the awkward position of my hands and body, my hand dropped the broken piece and slid straight down the razor sharp edge of the broken porcelain. It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. As you can imagine using tools and twisting and torqueing everything in there, my bandage would not stay on (not that it mattered it was soaking through in less than 60 seconds). I probably should have gone to the ER and gotten it stitched, but that wouldn't be very manly, so I just worked through it. About 45 minutes later, I was done. It looked like someone had been murdered in our bathroom. The bathroom is black and white (lots of white). It looked like the restroom in a slaughterhouse when I was done. I had gone through all of the gauze bandages in my first aid kit and had switched to paper towels. Now, I have to figure out how to glue the pedestal back together or buy a new one. This is fairly routine. I usually hurt myself in one or the other for every home improvement project. If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Kaleb wrote: I dont know why, but I thought that story was funny Good, it was intended to be funny. It's a true story and my wife didn't think it was funny. But, when I was done I got a good laugh from it and then passed out from the exsanguination (not really). Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
Any chance that an old washer, grommet, or plate is left behind at the base of the filter housing? -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use what Rusty sends me... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I suspect that you are using the wrong filter the element is being crushed when you tighten down the lid. There are 2 filters used on later (1977 on) Mercedes diesels they look identical until you place them side by side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
I know a fellow who has a number of auto transmission repair shops now. He says that back when he was starting out, he changed transmissions in his driveway on his back. He says he cut himself more times than he likes to remember and often had nothing on hand to wrap up his cut hand than black electrical tape. He says he had no choice but to carry on so he would wrap up with tape and keep working. We have become rather soft haven't we? Most of us would not be willing to do so. Second issue. Got to be careful with bathroom fixtures. A few years back, my wife stepped out of the shower and picked the towel that was laying on the top of the toilet tank. The top of the tank came with the towel, fell to the top of the toilet, broke in half, and then fell the rest of the way, striking her in the ankle and cutting her to the bone. She healed over time. The tank top didn't so I ordered a new one at considerable expense, finally received it, and then remodelled the bath and put in a new toilet a year or so later. Gave the old toilet away with its fresh new tank top. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Welcome to the club Casey. I can certainly relate. It seems like a lot of the time when I do some automotive project, I make six trips to the store and usually have to correct something that I screwed up when I was fixing the previous item. I didn't work on my car this weekend, but I did some home improvement projects (we are selling our house and I needed to fix a few things). Here's my dumbshit story: I had to replace the bathroom faucet. Not that big of a deal, right? Our house was built in 1929, so it has lots of cool architectural details and lots of character. What that usually means is that modern day replacement items don't fit and must be retrofitted in order to work. We have a pedestal sink in the hall bathroom. I had to move the pedestal out of the way to get at the plastic nuts that hold the faucet in place. I had already broken one of the knobs, so I had to replace the faucet that day. As I am moving the pedestal out of the way, I twisted it and a large junk broke off in my hand. Because of the awkward position of my hands and body, my hand dropped the broken piece and slid straight down the razor sharp edge of the broken porcelain. It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. As you can imagine using tools and twisting and torqueing everything in there, my bandage would not stay on (not that it mattered it was soaking through in less than 60 seconds). I probably should have gone to the ER and gotten it stitched, but that wouldn't be very manly, so I just worked through it. About 45 minutes later, I was done. It looked like someone had been murdered in our bathroom. The bathroom is black and white (lots of white). It looked like the restroom in a slaughterhouse when I was done. I had gone through all of the gauze bandages in my first aid kit and had switched to paper towels. Now, I have to figure out how to glue the pedestal back together or buy a new one. This is fairly routine. I usually hurt myself in one or the other for every home improvement project. If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Donald typed: It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. Back in '81 or so, when I was a sub shop owner back in central Illinois, I cut the bejesus out of my thumb one day on the sweet Hobart meat slicer. Right down to the bone on the knuckle. About a week later, my father moved to AZ and he wanted me to schlep out to him his Vactor (a big shit sucker)and a one ton Dodge van. I rigged up a tow hitch to the front of the van so I could pull it behind the Vactor. I thought the next logical thing to do, since the trip was going to be about two thousand miles, was to take the driveshaft out of the van. SO, I'm laying on ice in the drive of my dad's shop (it's January and it's about -10 as I recall) and I commence taking off the driveshaft of the van. About a minute into the evolution, I have the requisite wrench slip off knuckle buster and, of course, it's my bandaged up thumb I mash. The inside of my glove instantly becomes sickingly warm. I too, like Donald, knew this job needed to be done, so I continued noticing that the warmness gave way to alternating warm/cold. When I finished my glove was kind of a bloody slush. I spent a few minutes checking the lights and my glove froze solid. I walked across the street to the Dr's office, and he thawed my hand/glove bloodcicle in a pan of water, cut off the glove, lectured me sternly (small town thing, you know), and sewed up my thumb without a local to teach me a lesson. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
I don't think so...I checked well. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart Any chance that an old washer, grommet, or plate is left behind at the base of the filter housing? -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use what Rusty sends me... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I suspect that you are using the wrong filter the element is being crushed when you tighten down the lid. There are 2 filters used on later (1977 on) Mercedes diesels they look identical until you place them side by side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
10-4. That's kinda what I figured. Man...I'd love to be going to NYC. That is my favorite place to go...right up there with a left coast beach. The only right coast beach I have ever been at is Higgins Beach near Portland. BobR Stuck in 115 degree Suckville. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:18 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I usually use Hengst, last time I ordered I got the no-name cheapos. Interestingly my last oil analysis shows that at 9xxx miles everything was fine and I could keep going. I changed the oil anyway, the car was making those noises that tell me its time. Anyway I'd say that filter was filtering at least the normal number of contaminents... -Curt Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:59:03 -0700 From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I order, I usually choose the Mann. Last order I chose three Hengst. We'll see how they do.. So...when these Mann filters separate does that allow a path for the oil to go unfiltered you reckon? Bob R '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
I don't know, I truly have never heard of this before. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart When I order, I usually choose the Mann. Last order I chose three Hengst. We'll see how they do.. So...when these Mann filters separate does that allow a path for the oil to go unfiltered you reckon? Bob R '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 7:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart Let's try another brand, I have never heard of this before. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I use what Rusty sends me... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I suspect that you are using the wrong filter the element is being crushed when you tighten down the lid. There are 2 filters used on later (1977 on) Mercedes diesels they look identical until you place them side by side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know, I truly have never heard of this before. FWIW I have always gotten Hengst (maybe Mahle occasionally?) for my 300D and never had any problem with the integrity of the filter. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Where is the ACC temp sensor?
I just recently disconnected the tired old aux pump in my '87 TD. Haven't driven it a lot since then but my initial impression is that pretty much precisely the symptoms you've described have disappeared and the acc is behaving in a much more civilized fashion. -joe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Attn Kaleb AC adapter
Hey Kaleb, I found the box from Napa that my AC fitting adapter for the vacuum pump to hook to the yellow hose, came in. The part number is 409551 non napa part # on their website http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=430OEMPartNum=409551 Looks Like I got off cheap, they get $9.40 for it now ---Robert ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] O/T Dumb Attempts at self injury
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:03:03 -0500, you wrote: Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. I can beat that, I'm old! Several years ago I played hooky from the job, wife and I were going to the beach. First I have to go up onto the roof for a minor repair, 3 stories did I tell you? Put up the 40' ladder, grab hammer and a few nails, up I go. Oops, I need another tool leave hammer on rung, down I go. Can you fellows figure where this is going? On the way back up, I meet the hammer coming down. WTF/almost pass out. Big laceration in my scalp, lotsa blood, running down over my facehead. I'm not going to tell you about the time I was on the same roof in cool weather and my basset hound wrapped his chain around the 40' ladder. I grabbed it in time to prevent disaster to the 1st floor picture window. Now, that story has a funny ending! -- Pete Arnold Your mileage may vary. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. Early withdrawal may result in interest penalty. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, Offer invalid where prohibited by law. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Attn Kaleb AC adapter
thanks!! --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Attn Kaleb AC adapter Hey Kaleb, I found the box from Napa that my AC fitting adapter for the vacuum pump to hook to the yellow hose, came in. The part number is 409551 non napa part # on their website http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=430OEMPartNum=409551 Looks Like I got off cheap, they get $9.40 for it now ---Robert ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Dumb Attempts at self injury
My neighbor the trauma surgeon told me this story that he swears is true. When he was a resident, a guy comes in the ER all banged up. He had been doing some roof work (one story house!) and to keep from falling off, tied a rope around his waist and the other end to his truck hitch. He is working on the roof, wife comes out to go somewhere, yells goodbye to him, he hears a door slam, engine start. Then he has that ohshit moment when he remembers his wife's car was not working for some reason and she was going to use his truck. Before he could get untied, she takes off towing him over the peak, down the front, into the yard and across it a bit til she realizes the truck was not driving right. Guy survived with no major damage but a bit smarter. --R Peter T. Arnold wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:03:03 -0500, you wrote: Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. I can beat that, I'm old! Several years ago I played hooky from the job, wife and I were going to the beach. First I have to go up onto the roof for a minor repair, 3 stories did I tell you? Put up the 40' ladder, grab hammer and a few nails, up I go. Oops, I need another tool leave hammer on rung, down I go. Can you fellows figure where this is going? On the way back up, I meet the hammer coming down. WTF/almost pass out. Big laceration in my scalp, lotsa blood, running down over my facehead. I'm not going to tell you about the time I was on the same roof in cool weather and my basset hound wrapped his chain around the 40' ladder. I grabbed it in time to prevent disaster to the 1st floor picture window. Now, that story has a funny ending! -- Pete Arnold Your mileage may vary. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. Early withdrawal may result in interest penalty. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, Offer invalid where prohibited by law. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
This needs to be on the quotes page with Mr. Snook Esq. tag line. Advice for client's of his? On 13 Aug 2007, at 07:03, Donald Snook wrote: If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Yeah, but it still won't prevent new age detectives from spotting it under a black light with their special luminescent chemicals... On 8/13/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This needs to be on the quotes page with Mr. Snook Esq. tag line. Advice for client's of his? On 13 Aug 2007, at 07:03, Donald Snook wrote: If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
I jokingly mentioned superglue for one of the early visits to the emergency room for my kid. Yep, that would be their favored method I am told, but he keeps getting gashes that are not suitable, so stitches are given. On 13 Aug 2007, at 07:44, Rich Thomas wrote: No, what would be manly is to go get a needle and thread, and fix it up right there so you can keep working with a proper repair! Or maybe some JB Weld or microwave oven bits? Really though, if you find yourself in a bind like that, superglue works wonders to put things back together skin-wise -- it is used in some cases to close wounds without stitches. I think you can buy some at the drugstore that is specially formulated for cuts and such (that means a new packaging and a much higher price), but it is the same stuff as your regular superglue. I might be FOS but my neighbor the trauma surgeon told me that, and another surgeon friend said yeah that'll work. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: ROFLOL!! Actually, it would have been more manly to take the stitches IMO. That's one feature of medical care that I really do NOT cotton to. On 8/13/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Welcome to the club Casey. I can certainly relate. It seems like a lot of the time when I do some automotive project, I make six trips to the store and usually have to correct something that I screwed up when I was fixing the previous item. I didn't work on my car this weekend, but I did some home improvement projects (we are selling our house and I needed to fix a few things). Here's my dumbshit story: I had to replace the bathroom faucet. Not that big of a deal, right? Our house was built in 1929, so it has lots of cool architectural details and lots of character. What that usually means is that modern day replacement items don't fit and must be retrofitted in order to work. We have a pedestal sink in the hall bathroom. I had to move the pedestal out of the way to get at the plastic nuts that hold the faucet in place. I had already broken one of the knobs, so I had to replace the faucet that day. As I am moving the pedestal out of the way, I twisted it and a large junk broke off in my hand. Because of the awkward position of my hands and body, my hand dropped the broken piece and slid straight down the razor sharp edge of the broken porcelain. It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. As you can imagine using tools and twisting and torqueing everything in there, my bandage would not stay on (not that it mattered it was soaking through in less than 60 seconds). I probably should have gone to the ER and gotten it stitched, but that wouldn't be very manly, so I just worked through it. About 45 minutes later, I was done. It looked like someone had been murdered in our bathroom. The bathroom is black and white (lots of white). It looked like the restroom in a slaughterhouse when I was done. I had gone through all of the gauze bandages in my first aid kit and had switched to paper towels. Now, I have to figure out how to glue the pedestal back together or buy a new one. This is fairly routine. I usually hurt myself in one or the other for every home improvement project. If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
And Gump is still at the shop waiting for my Rusty package to arrive. Getting to the point that every time I go near her with a wrench, we go to the shop to de-Clay the car. clay On 13 Aug 2007, at 09:04, Robert Rentfro wrote: You think it's funny because we all know that each one of us has done something like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 7:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! I dont know why, but I thought that story was funny --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Welcome to the club Casey. I can certainly relate. It seems like a lot of the time when I do some automotive project, I make six trips to the store and usually have to correct something that I screwed up when I was fixing the previous item. I didn't work on my car this weekend, but I did some home improvement projects (we are selling our house and I needed to fix a few things). Here's my dumbshit story: I had to replace the bathroom faucet. Not that big of a deal, right? Our house was built in 1929, so it has lots of cool architectural details and lots of character. What that usually means is that modern day replacement items don't fit and must be retrofitted in order to work. We have a pedestal sink in the hall bathroom. I had to move the pedestal out of the way to get at the plastic nuts that hold the faucet in place. I had already broken one of the knobs, so I had to replace the faucet that day. As I am moving the pedestal out of the way, I twisted it and a large junk broke off in my hand. Because of the awkward position of my hands and body, my hand dropped the broken piece and slid straight down the razor sharp edge of the broken porcelain. It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. As you can imagine using tools and twisting and torqueing everything in there, my bandage would not stay on (not that it mattered it was soaking through in less than 60 seconds). I probably should have gone to the ER and gotten it stitched, but that wouldn't be very manly, so I just worked through it. About 45 minutes later, I was done. It looked like someone had been murdered in our bathroom. The bathroom is black and white (lots of white). It looked like the restroom in a slaughterhouse when I was done. I had gone through all of the gauze bandages in my first aid kit and had switched to paper towels. Now, I have to figure out how to glue the pedestal back together or buy a new one. This is fairly routine. I usually hurt myself in one or the other for every home improvement project. If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
About forty years ago, I was working in the yard one hot Saturday afternoon and I had a cold beer with me to ward off heat exhaustion. You can't be too careful about heat injuries. I set the beer on top of the car because I didn't want it too close to the ground. Imagine how I felt when I looked and saw the beer making half circles in alternate directions walking down the slope of the car top. I couldn't let my beer hit the ground and spill !! I grabbed it, and smashed the bottle against the side of the car. The feeling and one glance showed I had cut the shit out of my right hand right where the ring finger joins the palm. I made a fist, ran inside, wrapped my fist in a towel, got in the aforesaid car to drive myself to the emergency room, steering with my chin and reaching across to shift with my un-massacred hand. The towel was soaking up blood very well all this time. Actually there were two towels, I think. In those days at that place, the doctors took turns in the emergency room of the local hospital on weekends. I happened to draw an old time General Practitioner. He unwrapped my hand, which had a clot the size of a slice of pork liver in it, picked out the glass. cleaned it, injected something into it, and started suturing. After about 30 minutes, he said Damn! and took out all the stitches he had put in. When he finished, there was a little blood fountain that went spurt, spurt, spurt about an inch high in the bottom of the cut. He said I knew there was a little artery down there. He put a stitch in the artery and then sewed up the cut again. After only about a month, I was able to use the hand normally again, so I only have the scar to remind me of that hot afternoon and how I tried to save my beer from loss. The moral of the story is Don't set a partially drunk beer on top of a car. Drink it down. There's another story about having a finger that got caught in a chain hoist sewed back together sans any deadening, but it's not a story about some dumbshit thing I did, except maybe the part about opting to have it sewed up without any deadening. It was quite an experience, one that I remember well an do not want to repeat. Neither the caught in chain hoist nor the sewing up. Robert. Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Donald typed: It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
On 8/13/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I jokingly mentioned superglue for one of the early visits to the emergency room for my kid. Yep, that would be their favored method I am told, but he keeps getting gashes that are not suitable, so stitches are given. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that cyanoacrylate glue was in fact developed as an emergency wound sealant in the Vietnam era---like many inventions, its civilian applications were incidental. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Hah! The following text comes from a website offering SPAL fans and mounting kits. Sure wish I would've read this before perforating my condenser. And, this is from the folks trying to sell the items. 30130013 Pin mount The pin mount mounts the fan directly to the radiator core. This is the easiest mount and also the least desirable. With this type of mount, radiator core damage after prolonged usage is inevitable. On 8/11/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ordered two little 9 SPAL units, along with various mounting options, including little nifty stainless pins that fit between the fins and hold the fans (they're fairly lightweight) right tightly up against the condenser. They're so cute and alluring, that I couldn't resist. By now, you've probably figured out what happened next, haven't you? Yes, that gut-wrenching hiss and steamy cloud followed my third exploratory poke. Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
My grandfather had a similar story, but he said it was developed for morticians, to glue body parts back in place. On 8/13/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that cyanoacrylate glue was in fact developed as an emergency wound sealant in the Vietnam era---like many inventions, its civilian applications were incidental. Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
More like advice FROM a client of his... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! This needs to be on the quotes page with Mr. Snook Esq. tag line. Advice for client's of his? On 13 Aug 2007, at 07:03, Donald Snook wrote: If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
I cut the message and just followed on with the subject as it seems to fit well enough. My father was once removing a bearing from an axle. The pressed on type but he didn't have a press so he was pounding it off with a hammer. He did know well enough to try to prevent injury from the hardened metal of the bearing. He wrapped a rag around it to contain any fragements. It didn't help. A small piece broke off and went through the rag and accross the top of his hand cutting an artery in the process. He was home alone so he went into the house to find something to wrap it with and then went off in search of medical assistance. I came home next and found a trail of blood from the garage to the house and then through the house into the bathroom and back out of the house. A real mess and obviously something that raised some concern. My poor mother ended up cleaning it up when she got home from work as I called her and then went looking for him. Those were the days before cell phones and we were in a rural area so he did not go to a hospital. He just went looking for help. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Radiator brands: Who can give advice?
Hello all I need to pick your brains about radiators. My perfect Behr round tube radiator 123 501 56 01 was destroyed by the consequences of the acts of an idiot posing as a mechanic, but that's not really important. Replacing the destroyed radiator is much more important. Car is 1983 Model 123.223 230E Grey Market car. Four cylinder 2.3 liter, 100 KW output. Automatic transmission. I shopped Rusty, and put in a quotation request a week ago, and haven't heard anything except that the quote will be ready before long. I think I know what that means, unfortunately. Not available. I'm used to that. Grey market and all that. I'm looking for a used radiator like the one that was destroyed, and I'm looking for a new one. I looked out in the big world, and find Behr, Nissens, noname, and Valeo radiators that might be a suitable fitment. Width dimension is pretty important. Not too wide - will interfere with air cleaner. Not too narrow - fan shroud will gap at sides and not force airflow through core. Just right is 518 mm, wide, i.e, standard width. Height is standard 123 chassis radiator height. I am shy of noname radiators. Maybe I shouldn't be. Somewhere I read a rant against Behr radiators of the 1980-85 period. Hose nozzles break off or something like that. Flimsy. My old Behr radiator was perfect and worked perfectly. There couldn't have been a lot fundamentally wrong with it. But it is history now. I never heard of Valeo radiators except vaguely and I think associated somehow with Volkswagens. I never heard of Nissens radiators at all until now. There are many things I have never heard of. I never imagined having to roust out a radiator, although I bought a used one (which turns out to be wrong - too wide) on ebay, just in case I might need it sometime.. It's an excellent Behr radiator except it ain't the right one. Too wide. Interferes with air cleaner snout. I'd like to hear anything anyone might care to share, and any advice anyone may have. I'm sure there's a radiator guru or expert out there somewhere. Thank all of you. Robert, in a liquid to air heat exchanger mode. . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Zeitgeist wrote: The pin mount mounts the fan directly to the radiator core. This is the easiest mount and also the least desirable. With this type of mount, radiator core damage after prolonged usage is inevitable. I've never used a pin mount, it just looked too scary to me. I usually make brackets from 1 x 1/8 steel strap and rivet them to the radiator support metal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Small angle iron works well too. Old bed frames provide stuff about the right size. Have never mounted fans but have used it for tranny coolers. Was always nervous about using the nylon tie strap doodads to go through the radiator. Have also learned not to use the pressure washer to clean the radiator. I didn't do it but my younger son did and it sure flattens the fins nicely. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Zeitgeist wrote: The pin mount mounts the fan directly to the radiator core. This is the easiest mount and also the least desirable. With this type of mount, radiator core damage after prolonged usage is inevitable. I've never used a pin mount, it just looked too scary to me. I usually make brackets from 1 x 1/8 steel strap and rivet them to the radiator support metal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
Spending a fortune on design does not necessarily make a great car. I remember reading that Ford spent a fortune on the design of the first generation Taurus that came out in 1986. Don't get me wrong, it was innovative and good by the standards of what they had been building but they made it cheap and it showed fairly quickly. The struts, for one thing, wore out quickly. Second time around, they spent another fortune on the redesign to produce the oval version about 1996. I recall reading an article about how much effort was put into that car to avoid rattles and wind noise etc. Again, its quality was never as good as its design. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 7:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS At the time the 140 was designed and built, MB spent more money designing it that any other car in their history. Was the most advanced car of the time. This told to me by and old german dude way back when they first came out with them. The next S was just cheap compared. Hell, even the later years of 140's were cheaped down. Didnt have as many features as the earlier ones E M wrote: Good points. You have to remember to when this car hit the scene, many ppl enjoyed bragging about how much they would spend for a service. :-) Todays climate, we are more likely to complain about it. :-) 126 was and still is a great car that mercedes got a LOT of years out of. I think they wanted a big push forward with the 140, and the car was not made or designed on the cheap! The car was very complicated, and the more stuff you have, the more there is to fail. Look at the recent threads on locks and tumblers. I don't hear anyone saying, oh the tumblers in 124 or 123 are junk. They're older, they fail, Add 5 times the number of parts, 5 times more parts to fail. After test driving a 140, it made the S that followed look like it was build down to a price, and I'm pretty sure it was. I also think leasing now plays a much larger part in the lack of long term maintance some of these higher end cars receive. I think there's a mind set as to how many treat cars when they bring them home new, and they know it won't still be sitting in their driveway 400,000 miles later. Drive the crap out of it, it only has to last 3-4 years. It shows too when they go to auction after a few owners. Ed 300E -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Clay wrote: This needs to be on the quotes page with Mr. Snook Esq. tag line. Advice for client's of his? Actually, I got that advice from someone who cleaned up crime scenes. The police in Springfield, Missouri would often recommend this guy when someone needed an especially gruesome scene cleaned. As to the advice to my clients I remember some wise words from one of professors. He used to give a lecture to neighborhood watch groups about gun safety and crime prevention. He said if somebody is in your house and you have to shoot them to protect your family - don't shoot them in the leg make sure you kill them. You don't want to piss the guy off and you don't want him to sue you if he lives. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
On 8/13/07, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spending a fortune on design does not necessarily make a great car. I remember reading that Ford spent a fortune on the design of the first generation Taurus that came out in 1986. Don't get me wrong, it was innovative and good by the standards of what they had been building Anything would have been a step up from the Granada. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
That reminds me a comedians routine about getting rid of unwelcome salespeople calling - caller: I'd like to clean 2 rof your ooms of carpet for free! callee: Great! Can you come over now? Can you get blood out of carpet? can you get it out of the curtains? Geez, it's everywhere!! Hey, if I roll up a rug will you help me carry it to my van? You'd better hurry! Of course, he went on and on - I thought it was funny - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! This needs to be on the quotes page with Mr. Snook Esq. tag line. Advice for client's of his? On 13 Aug 2007, at 07:03, Donald Snook wrote: If you ever need to clean up a lot of blood, ammonia works pretty well - smells awful, but it works. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Radiator brands: Who can give advice?
on a deal like that, you would need to just call rusty rather than going thru the website. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: [MBZ] Radiator brands: Who can give advice? Hello all I need to pick your brains about radiators. My perfect Behr round tube radiator 123 501 56 01 was destroyed by the consequences of the acts of an idiot posing as a mechanic, but that's not really important. Replacing the destroyed radiator is much more important. Car is 1983 Model 123.223 230E Grey Market car. Four cylinder 2.3 liter, 100 KW output. Automatic transmission. I shopped Rusty, and put in a quotation request a week ago, and haven't heard anything except that the quote will be ready before long. I think I know what that means, unfortunately. Not available. I'm used to that. Grey market and all that. I'm looking for a used radiator like the one that was destroyed, and I'm looking for a new one. I looked out in the big world, and find Behr, Nissens, noname, and Valeo radiators that might be a suitable fitment. Width dimension is pretty important. Not too wide - will interfere with air cleaner. Not too narrow - fan shroud will gap at sides and not force airflow through core. Just right is 518 mm, wide, i.e, standard width. Height is standard 123 chassis radiator height. I am shy of noname radiators. Maybe I shouldn't be. Somewhere I read a rant against Behr radiators of the 1980-85 period. Hose nozzles break off or something like that. Flimsy. My old Behr radiator was perfect and worked perfectly. There couldn't have been a lot fundamentally wrong with it. But it is history now. I never heard of Valeo radiators except vaguely and I think associated somehow with Volkswagens. I never heard of Nissens radiators at all until now. There are many things I have never heard of. I never imagined having to roust out a radiator, although I bought a used one (which turns out to be wrong - too wide) on ebay, just in case I might need it sometime.. It's an excellent Behr radiator except it ain't the right one. Too wide. Interferes with air cleaner snout. I'd like to hear anything anyone might care to share, and any advice anyone may have. I'm sure there's a radiator guru or expert out there somewhere. Thank all of you. Robert, in a liquid to air heat exchanger mode. . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
My college roommate in the 70s got a hand-me-down Granada from his grandmother. He was quite taken with it, It looks like a Mercedes! I think that was intended. --R Anything would have been a step up from the Granada. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Interesting inspection experience
I took the Sub to get it inspected today, the guy wouldn't pass it because he said the 6 month old wipers squeaked as they went across the windshield. I had just taken it to the carwash, and got the wax and whatever, which makes them squeak until it washes off the windshield. Anyway a trip to the autoparts and then back to get it un-rejected satisfied him. A PITA, the inspection business must be a license to gouge. Anyway, rant off. The place had a red Ferrari Daytona convertible on the lot, antique license plate 63 1M (I think it was 63, but I thought those cars were newer than that) which I gathered meant it was worth a mil. While I was waiting on the inspection, some mech goes and fires the thing up to drive it around back, parks it next to some other vehicle, then opens the door BANG! right into that vehicle. I believe the car was authentic, but not sure, sounded like it. Wonder what that door ding cost? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Radiator brands: Who can give advice?
Valeo makes alot of aftermarket parts for most european makes including VW. I had a thought on this.. Considering its a grey market 230 and the last one was imported here in 78 did you check to see if a radiator from a US market car would fit? Off the top on my head I think Silla is another name you could try. Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 4:36 pm Subject: [MBZ] Radiator brands: Who can give advice? Hello all I need to pick your brains about radiators. My perfect Behr round tube radiator 123 501 56 01 was destroyed by the consequences of the acts of an idiot posing as a mechanic, but that's not really important. Replacing the destroyed radiator is much more important. Car is 1983 Model 123.223 230E Grey Market car. Four cylinder 2.3 liter, 100 KW output. Automatic transmission. I shopped Rusty, and put in a quotation request a week ago, and haven't heard anything except that the quote will be ready before long. I think I know what that means, unfortunately. Not available. I'm used to that. Grey market and all that. I'm looking for a used radiator like the one that was destroyed, and I'm looking for a new one. I looked out in the big world, and find Behr, Nissens, noname, and Valeo radiators that might be a suitable fitment. Width dimension is pretty important. Not too wide - will interfere with air cleaner. Not too narrow - fan shroud will gap at sides and not force airflow through core. Just right is 518 mm, wide, i.e, standard width. Height is standard 123 chassis radiator height. I am shy of noname radiators. Maybe I shouldn't be. Somewhere I read a rant against Behr radiators of the 1980-85 period. Hose nozzles break off or something like that. Flimsy. My old Behr radiator was perfect and worked perfectly. There couldn't have been a lot fundamentally wrong with it. But it is history now. I never heard of Valeo radiators except vaguely and I think associated somehow with Volkswagens. I never heard of Nissens radiators at all until now. There are many things I have never heard of. I never imagined having to roust out a radiator, although I bought a used one (which turns out to be wrong - too wide) on ebay, just in case I might need it sometime.. It's an excellent Behr radiator except it ain't the right one. Too wide. Interferes with air cleaner snout. I'd like to hear anything anyone might care to share, and any advice anyone may have. I'm sure there's a radiator guru or expert out there somewhere. Thank all of you. Robert, in a liquid to air heat exchanger mode. . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Where is the ACC temp sensor? W124
The blower motor is underneath the right side AC vent, you have to pull the glovebox to get to it. Likely it is either stuck (not running) or the hose has come adrift. It's hard plastic, not foam. Symptoms are a non-working temp sensor, likely due to no flow. See if a bit of thin paper will stay up on the grille next to the sunroof switch -- the interior temp sensor resides behind it. If not, you will have to find out why it's not pulling and either repair the hose connection or replace the motor. You may also have other bad temp sensors as well, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Dated her. (Preparing to be banned ... !) On 8/13/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the easiest mount and also the least desirable. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Where is the ACC temp sensor? W124
Hi John, This is all I could find about the interior temp sensor - there's lots of info about the exterior temp sensor - anyway - this should help you find the sensor. Let me know if you need something else - hopefully the attachment will get thru to you - maybe your sensor just needs cleaning --- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs .. - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: [MBZ] Where is the ACC temp sensor? W124 I've been noticing a little bit of oddities with how my ACC is working in the 92 300D 2.5T, but it was never enough of a problem to worry about. Now that I'm on travel and am driving other people around the ACC has decided it only likes to operate in full heat or full cold (it will work inbetween for a little bit before it swings to the other side). It seems to me that my temperature sensor just isn't sensing the in-car temperature right, but since I'm traveling I don't have my W124 CD... so where is the sensor? I think it is in the overhead light, but I'm not for sure. Is this as simple as replacing a foam hose like on the older cars or is there something else? Thanks!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 83-604.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 8232320 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070813/798c16c2/attachment.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Ripped the finger nail and tip of finger off loading firewood one winter, the guy I was working with said Some people will do anything to get out of work. Of course then we had to fix the truck to get out of the woods. Doctor said I broke the tip of the finger too, I asked how he knew and he showed me how he could wiggle the bone sticking out. Was working under the dash of car with a trouble light had both arms wrapped up behind instrument cluster when light fail on arm. By time I could get hands out the skin came off with light. I learned why they called them trouble lights. Had an old Buick once and got the bright idea one night to replace manual windows with power windows. There was a big coil spring on regulator, so I popped it off. Well it cut about a 2 gash in my hand. So I stopped at grocery store on way home got a 12 pack, needle and dental floss and sewed it back together. The manager at the shop I worked at saw it a few days latter and made me go to doctor. The doctor told me that I should tie each stitch and use waxed dental floss next time. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:23 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Donald typed: It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. Back in '81 or so, when I was a sub shop owner back in central Illinois, I cut the bejesus out of my thumb one day on the sweet Hobart meat slicer. Right down to the bone on the knuckle. About a week later, my father moved to AZ and he wanted me to schlep out to him his Vactor (a big shit sucker)and a one ton Dodge van. I rigged up a tow hitch to the front of the van so I could pull it behind the Vactor. I thought the next logical thing to do, since the trip was going to be about two thousand miles, was to take the driveshaft out of the van. SO, I'm laying on ice in the drive of my dad's shop (it's January and it's about -10 as I recall) and I commence taking off the driveshaft of the van. About a minute into the evolution, I have the requisite wrench slip off knuckle buster and, of course, it's my bandaged up thumb I mash. The inside of my glove instantly becomes sickingly warm. I too, like Donald, knew this job needed to be done, so I continued noticing that the warmness gave way to alternating warm/cold. When I finished my glove was kind of a bloody slush. I spent a few minutes checking the lights and my glove froze solid. I walked across the street to the Dr's office, and he thawed my hand/glove bloodcicle in a pan of water, cut off the glove, lectured me sternly (small town thing, you know), and sewed up my thumb without a local to teach me a lesson. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
I had a similar situation once when I was using my radial arm saw. It had an accessory drive on the right side for things like a drum sander, etc. I had the drum sander on it one time when I needed to cut something off. I mistakenly crossed my arms to hold the work while I pulled the saw across it, at the same time running the edge of the drum into the middle of the top of my right forearm. Ouch. In all honesty, it was one of those injuries where you sit there and look at it for a minute, incredulous at what you just did. It gouged a groove into my arm about 2 long and about a half inch deep at the center. I calmly placed my right hand over it to apply pressure, walked upstairs past the wife, who was preparing dinner in the kitchen, informing her that I had cut myself and would be going to the emergency room. I drove myself to the hospital (one of two in our small Wisconsin town of 50,000) and walked in to the emergency room. The physician on duty that night also moonlighted as our company doctor, so I had seen him before in the infirmary at the plant. Want me to numb you before I sew this up? Nahh. Have at it, doc. Double ouch. FWIW, he only had to put about 10 stitches in, and by the time he would have finished numbing me up, he would have been done with the sutures. Still hurt like heck, though. And I will say that I am sure we have all, present company included, been thrashed severely at the pillory of DIYness, admit it or not. It just part of the process. Dan --- Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another story about having a finger that got caught in a chain hoist sewed back together sans any deadening, but it's not a story about some dumbshit thing I did, except maybe the part about opting to have it sewed up without any deadening. It was quite an experience, one that I remember well an do not want to repeat. Neither the caught in chain hoist nor the sewing up. Robert. Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Donald typed: It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Where is the ACC temp sensor? W124
It should be behind a little grille in the courtesy light housing, if memory serves me correctly. From there a plastic pipe runs across the roof to the A pillar on the right side, then down along the side of the glove compartment, after which I think it goes to the blower housing. I may be wrong about the exact location - the sensor may be at the base of the tube below the A pillar - someone correct me if necessary - it's been a long time since I've pulled one of these out. Dan Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Interesting inspection experience
we have emissions tests here too and it's a joke!! just a way for the gov to screw more money out of people. The daytona didn't come til later and I suspect they are old plates when the market was different, or it's wishful thinking. :-) Either way, I suspect the ding in the door will cost a couple of teeth. :-) Ed 300E On 13/08/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took the Sub to get it inspected today, the guy wouldn't pass it because he said the 6 month old wipers squeaked as they went across the windshield. I had just taken it to the carwash, and got the wax and whatever, which makes them squeak until it washes off the windshield. Anyway a trip to the autoparts and then back to get it un-rejected satisfied him. A PITA, the inspection business must be a license to gouge. Anyway, rant off. The place had a red Ferrari Daytona convertible on the lot, antique license plate 63 1M (I think it was 63, but I thought those cars were newer than that) which I gathered meant it was worth a mil. While I was waiting on the inspection, some mech goes and fires the thing up to drive it around back, parks it next to some other vehicle, then opens the door BANG! right into that vehicle. I believe the car was authentic, but not sure, sounded like it. Wonder what that door ding cost? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Kind of like when I cut off my middle finger on my left hand, right at the last knuckle in the mid 80's. I did it on a 1965 Chevy Caprice engine fan - only takes a second. I also drove myself to the hospital - in the car I was working on. Now I have two birdie options, the full shot from my right hand and a 1/2 shot for people who don't even rate high enough to deserve the full one Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! I had a similar situation once when I was using my radial arm saw. It had an accessory drive on the right side for things like a drum sander, etc. I had the drum sander on it one time when I needed to cut something off. I mistakenly crossed my arms to hold the work while I pulled the saw across it, at the same time running the edge of the drum into the middle of the top of my right forearm. Ouch. In all honesty, it was one of those injuries where you sit there and look at it for a minute, incredulous at what you just did. It gouged a groove into my arm about 2 long and about a half inch deep at the center. I calmly placed my right hand over it to apply pressure, walked upstairs past the wife, who was preparing dinner in the kitchen, informing her that I had cut myself and would be going to the emergency room. I drove myself to the hospital (one of two in our small Wisconsin town of 50,000) and walked in to the emergency room. The physician on duty that night also moonlighted as our company doctor, so I had seen him before in the infirmary at the plant. Want me to numb you before I sew this up? Nahh. Have at it, doc. Double ouch. FWIW, he only had to put about 10 stitches in, and by the time he would have finished numbing me up, he would have been done with the sutures. Still hurt like heck, though. And I will say that I am sure we have all, present company included, been thrashed severely at the pillory of DIYness, admit it or not. It just part of the process. Dan --- Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another story about having a finger that got caught in a chain hoist sewed back together sans any deadening, but it's not a story about some dumbshit thing I did, except maybe the part about opting to have it sewed up without any deadening. It was quite an experience, one that I remember well an do not want to repeat. Neither the caught in chain hoist nor the sewing up. Robert. Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Casey wrote: Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. Donald typed: It cut me between my thumb and index - badly. It immediately started bleeding. It was bad, but I had to finish the sink or we have no water in the bathroom. So, I wrapped it up as well as I could and went back to working on the faucet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
No, I dated her! But then maybe we both dated her? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Dated her. (Preparing to be banned ... !) On 8/13/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the easiest mount and also the least desirable. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Radiator brands: Who can give advice?
I've bought and installed a couple of Nissens radiators in my Mercedes and have been happy with their quality. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 8/13/07 4:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] Radiator brands: Who can give advice? Hello all I need to pick your brains about radiators. My perfect Behr round tube radiator 123 501 56 01 was destroyed by the consequences of the acts of an idiot posing as a mechanic, but that's not really important. Replacing the destroyed radiator is much more important. Car is 1983 Model 123.223 230E Grey Market car. Four cylinder 2.3 liter, 100 KW output. Automatic transmission. I shopped Rusty, and put in a quotation request a week ago, and haven't heard anything except that the quote will be ready before long. I think I know what that means, unfortunately. Not available. I'm used to that. Grey market and all that. I'm looking for a used radiator like the one that was destroyed, and I'm looking for a new one. I looked out in the big world, and find Behr, Nissens, noname, and Valeo radiators that might be a suitable fitment. Width dimension is pretty important. Not too wide - will interfere with air cleaner. Not too narrow - fan shroud will gap at sides and not force airflow through core. Just right is 518 mm, wide, i.e, standard width. Height is standard 123 chassis radiator height. I am shy of noname radiators. Maybe I shouldn't be. Somewhere I read a rant against Behr radiators of the 1980-85 period. Hose nozzles break off or something like that. Flimsy. My old Behr radiator was perfect and worked perfectly. There couldn't have been a lot fundamentally wrong with it. But it is history now. I never heard of Valeo radiators except vaguely and I think associated somehow with Volkswagens. I never heard of Nissens radiators at all until now. There are many things I have never heard of. I never imagined having to roust out a radiator, although I bought a used one (which turns out to be wrong - too wide) on ebay, just in case I might need it sometime.. It's an excellent Behr radiator except it ain't the right one. Too wide. Interferes with air cleaner snout. I'd like to hear anything anyone might care to share, and any advice anyone may have. I'm sure there's a radiator guru or expert out there somewhere. Thank all of you. Robert, in a liquid to air heat exchanger mode. . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Today's Diesel Prices ** ** ** * **** * * *** U.S. Department of Energy** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ******* To unsubscribe/change address, ** ** ** ** ** * see the message footnotes * * EIA, the Nation's clearinghouse for energy statistics. *** ** (NOTE: To best view this document, your email software should be set to view the item in an 80 character format, using a non-proportional font, e.g. courier) ** On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD (Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes) Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp Average All Types US NATL EASTNEWCENTLOWER GULF ROCKY WEST DATE AVGCOAST ENGLAND ATL ATL MIDWEST COAST MTN COAST CA PADD PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD PADDPADD I IA IB IC II III IV V -- - - --- - - --- - - - - 070813 2.847 2.820 2.923 2.901 2.776 2.835 2.771 2.980 3.019 3.054 070806 2.898 2.866 2.955 2.945 2.825 2.887 2.824 3.012 3.077 3.140 070730 2.886 2.847 2.946 2.923 2.806 2.885 2.808 3.003 3.058 3.152 070723 2.889 2.860 2.950 2.945 2.815 2.882 2.815 2.988 3.061 3.158 070716 2.889 2.874 2.959 2.949 2.834 2.878 2.821 2.977 3.031 3.147 070709 2.849 2.853 2.942 2.936 2.810 2.822 2.785 2.955 2.987 3.090 070702 2.829 2.827 2.930 2.916 2.779 2.805 2.766 2.936 2.972 3.067 070625 2.835 2.832 2.920 2.915 2.789 2.806 2.780 2.936 2.985 3.073 070618 2.805 2.800 2.877 2.869 2.764 2.774 2.753 2.907 2.958 3.033 070611 2.792 2.789 2.882 2.873 2.744 2.753 2.742 2.937 2.941 2.997 070604 2.799 2.794 2.882 2.870 2.753 2.764 2.749 2.958 2.931 2.972 070528 2.817 2.811 2.888 2.882 2.773 2.783 2.776 2.980 2.939 2.975 070521 2.803 2.798 2.884 2.873 2.758 2.773 2.747 2.993 2.921 2.955 070514 2.773 2.758 2.866 2.843 2.711 2.740 2.713 2.998 2.919 2.952 070507 2.792 2.781 2.874 2.867 2.735 2.754 2.744 2.995 2.935 2.974 070430 2.811 2.800 2.871 2.873 2.762 2.775 2.766 2.988 2.952 2.987 070423 2.851 2.837 2.864 2.877 2.817 2.831 2.815 2.978 2.953 3.004 070416 2.877 2.862 2.871 2.885 2.852 2.864 2.849 2.981 2.956 3.015 070409 2.840 2.813 2.821 2.852 2.796 2.835 2.810 2.951 2.921 2.978 070402 2.790 2.764 2.786 2.820 2.739 2.780 2.766 2.884 2.885 2.939 070326 2.676 2.657 2.713 2.711 2.630 2.655 2.643 2.780 2.803 2.869 070319 2.681 2.661 2.722 2.719 2.631 2.666 2.640 2.765 2.813 2.875 070312 2.685 2.669 2.730 2.719 2.643 2.673 2.644 2.736 2.811 2.899 070305 2.626 2.604 2.693 2.668 2.568 2.606 2.587 2.658 2.795 2.897 070226 2.551 2.526 2.650 2.598 2.483 2.523 2.497 2.568 2.790 2.911 070219 2.491 2.479 2.636 2.581 2.421 2.444 2.418 2.517 2.784 2.901 070212 2.476 2.465 2.625 2.564 2.408 2.429 2.394 2.517 2.777 2.905 070205 2.435 2.433 2.593 2.527 2.378 2.377 2.360 2.523 2.720 2.825 070129 2.413 2.406 2.570 2.508 2.347 2.349 2.347 2.556 2.687 2.761 070122 2.430 2.421 2.582 2.525 2.361 2.371 2.361 2.586 2.695 2.742 070115 2.463 2.437 2.622 2.559 2.368 2.408 2.391 2.625 2.749 2.773 070108 2.537 2.520 2.672 2.633 2.458 2.483 2.459 2.682 2.824 2.856 070101 2.580 2.565 2.710 2.681 2.503 2.534 2.500 2.697 2.853 2.883 061225 2.596 2.587 2.737 2.710 2.520 2.550 2.514 2.713 2.856 2.885 061218 2.606 2.599 2.730 2.722 2.535 2.555 2.519 2.716 2.887 2.917 061211 2.621 2.610 2.749 2.730 2.546 2.563 2.540 2.724 2.931 2.963 061204 2.618 2.610 2.716 2.717 2.555 2.578 2.537 2.707 2.860 2.860 061127 2.567 2.537 2.634 2.652 2.479 2.554 2.490 2.680 2.760 2.710 061120 2.553 2.521 2.625 2.638 2.461 2.554 2.469 2.647 2.724 2.690 061113 2.552 2.530 2.616 2.643 2.473 2.562 2.470 2.623 2.673 2.677 061106 2.506 2.508 2.613 2.628 2.448 2.493 2.449 2.577 2.606 2.637 061030 2.517 2.530 2.629 2.646 2.472 2.501 2.462 2.577 2.602
[MBZ] Car Manufacturing Philosophies - more true than you'd think
Car Manufacturing Philosophies Each carmaker on the planet has a different philosophy about How a Car Should Be Put Together. Let's take a single case... Let us say there is a single hypothetical panel in a hypothetical car. As a baseline, a totally unbiased (and therefore, Martian) engineer examines this cover and determines that it should be held in place with five phillips-head (crosshead) screws. JAPAN: The japanese would hold it down with exactly five .05c screws. Boring, reliable, soulless, exactly what is needed. UNITED STATES: For a long time, a US car's panel would be held on with three screws. This has changed, and now not only does it have five screws, all floor workers must have a communal decision as to how many screws it needs, and have the ability to stop the line entirely should a single screw be a funny color. GREAT BRITIAN: As with the US, previously this car's panel would be held on with three screws. Additionally, these screws would be flat-head style and made of Britishinium Metal, a mysterious alloy that can rust sitting under six inches of oil. Nowadays all the car companies have been sold to the US or Germany, so see those entries. FRANCE: Only Americans would be so obnoxious as to think how a panel is held on is important. Unions and employee pride are of far more concern. Please come with us to strike for ten more weeks paid vacation. GERMANY: Every panel on every car is held on with precisely ten aircraft-grade titanium/tungsten alloy nuts and bolts torqued to precisely 15.402 lbs-ft. Replacements are sold only in sets of 20, and typically cost $350US. A German mechanic will explain to you, in graphic detail, exactly what would happen should you use a lower quality nut or bolt. RUSSIA: Owing to parts shortages, each panel is welded in place. A cutter costs 8,000,000,000,000,000 rubles (about $12.15 US), and the official wait is approximately 28 months. However, a stranger named Igor will sell you a cutter right away for $40 US (cash only). You notice PROPERTY OF SOVIET ARMY scratched out on the side. ITALY (Goes Fast approach): The Italian is somewhat different. If the panel has something to do with making the car Go Fast, it will be just like Germany's entry, with the addition that every bolt head will have a beautiful logo cast into it. ITALY (Everything Else): The italian panel has no screws at all. Rather, it is held in with a very clever arrangement of grommets, snap rings, and C-clips so that it seems to be Part of the Car. However, due to lack of testing, the rubber in the grommets rots in a few years, and since the panel can only be removed with special tool AR001.2399943.01103.2.1.1, the rubber is hardly ever replaced and so tends to rattle. Enthusiasts of this car will have endless debates on the value of this panel, some will remove it, some will maintain it religiously, and at least one author will write a book telling you how to make a tool that will work out of a '73 GMC lug wrench. SWEDEN: The panel in a swedish car is held on with 25 screws. Curiously, one has to put the car in reverse in order to remove it. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1954 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070813/2fc94c3b/attachment.jpe -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1407 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070813/2fc94c3b/attachment-0001.jpe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Radiator brands: Who can give advice?
Ya well. I have a spare radiator sitting in the shed but the shed is in Adelaide. Anyway the go is that Behr are OE but Nissens cost less. However the price difference is not so great in the US, so I would recommend the Behr for originality (which helps when you go to sell the car). However I recently installed a Nissen in my 190E (due to neck breakage in the original 22 year old Behr radiator), the Nissen was about 60% of the price of the Behr unit but the Nissen does not have a drain tap but that is not a problem because you can just pull off bottom hose. Nissens are made in Denmark, so are not cheap junky ones. http://www.nissens.dk/uk/index.htm Robert Bigham wrote: Hello all I need to pick your brains about radiators. My perfect Behr round tube radiator 123 501 56 01 was destroyed by the consequences of the acts of an idiot posing as a mechanic, but that's not ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 126 ACC Query
The ACC on my 82 300SD started acting up. When the car is cold, the system switches itself to defrost. After a bit, I can cycle the ACC off and then back to auto and the AC function comes on as it should. I speculate a bad solder joint in the controller. Does anyone have any other guesses or (better) experience before I swap out the controller? Thanks. Scott Ritchey 1979 300TD 350k mi 1982 300SD 230k mi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
I was heading the same direction. When you install the filter, does the cover sit all the way down or do you have to draw it down with the 2 nuts? If you have to draw the cover down then you definitely have some interference somewhere. Does anyone know if a filter housing from a later diesel will fit a 300D? If so then you may have a later housing installed - they take the smaller filters. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:24 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I don't think so...I checked well. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart Any chance that an old washer, grommet, or plate is left behind at the base of the filter housing? -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use what Rusty sends me... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I suspect that you are using the wrong filter the element is being crushed when you tighten down the lid. There are 2 filters used on later (1977 on) Mercedes diesels they look identical until you place them side by side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Where is the ACC temp sensor? W124
My SDl did that for a six months while I tried to find the problem. Turned out to be the push button unit - re-soldering it cured the problem. On 8/13/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been noticing a little bit of oddities with how my ACC is working in the 92 300D 2.5T, but it was never enough of a problem to worry about. Now that I'm on travel and am driving other people around the ACC has decided it only likes to operate in full heat or full cold (it will work inbetween for a little bit before it swings to the other side). It seems to me that my temperature sensor just isn't sensing the in-car temperature right, but since I'm traveling I don't have my W124 CD... so where is the sensor? I think it is in the overhead light, but I'm not for sure. Is this as simple as replacing a foam hose like on the older cars or is there something else? Thanks!! John -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Come to think of it, sounds a bit like a MOOSE, doesn't it? On 8/13/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I dated her! But then maybe we both dated her? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Dated her. (Preparing to be banned ... !) On 8/13/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the easiest mount and also the least desirable. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Could be. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Come to think of it, sounds a bit like a MOOSE, doesn't it? On 8/13/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I dated her! But then maybe we both dated her? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! Dated her. (Preparing to be banned ... !) On 8/13/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the easiest mount and also the least desirable. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] O.T LT Don's Boy in Straw Poll
Hey LT Don.how'd your man do in the straw poll? Did he take part? Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T LT Don's Boy in Straw Poll
Ha ha...I hear Don turned in his write-in ballot for Dick Cheney. The groundswell begins... On 8/13/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey LT Don.how'd your man do in the straw poll? Did he take part? Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T LT Don's Boy in Straw Poll
Why do you think Carl quit? - To run! On 8/13/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha ha...I hear Don turned in his write-in ballot for Dick Cheney. The groundswell begins... On 8/13/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey LT Don.how'd your man do in the straw poll? Did he take part? Casey __ -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Radiator brands: Who can give advice?
I've installed lots of Nissens radiators in a variety of different vehicles. Great quality and fit. For every application so far, their radiators have had more rows of tubes and more fins than the stock radiator ( some as much as 30% more capacity ) ---Robert Robert Bigham wrote: Hello all I need to pick your brains about radiators. My perfect Behr round tube radiator 123 501 56 01 was destroyed by the consequences of the acts of an idiot posing as a mechanic, but that's not really important. Replacing the destroyed radiator is much more important. Car is 1983 Model 123.223 230E Grey Market car. Four cylinder 2.3 liter, 100 KW output. Automatic transmission. I shopped Rusty, and put in a quotation request a week ago, and haven't heard anything except that the quote will be ready before long. I think I know what that means, unfortunately. Not available. I'm used to that. Grey market and all that. I'm looking for a used radiator like the one that was destroyed, and I'm looking for a new one. I looked out in the big world, and find Behr, Nissens, noname, and Valeo radiators that might be a suitable fitment. Width dimension is pretty important. Not too wide - will interfere with air cleaner. Not too narrow - fan shroud will gap at sides and not force airflow through core. Just right is 518 mm, wide, i.e, standard width. Height is standard 123 chassis radiator height. I am shy of noname radiators. Maybe I shouldn't be. Somewhere I read a rant against Behr radiators of the 1980-85 period. Hose nozzles break off or something like that. Flimsy. My old Behr radiator was perfect and worked perfectly. There couldn't have been a lot fundamentally wrong with it. But it is history now. I never heard of Valeo radiators except vaguely and I think associated somehow with Volkswagens. I never heard of Nissens radiators at all until now. There are many things I have never heard of. I never imagined having to roust out a radiator, although I bought a used one (which turns out to be wrong - too wide) on ebay, just in case I might need it sometime.. It's an excellent Behr radiator except it ain't the right one. Too wide. Interferes with air cleaner snout. I'd like to hear anything anyone might care to share, and any advice anyone may have. I'm sure there's a radiator guru or expert out there somewhere. Thank all of you. Robert, in a liquid to air heat exchanger mode. . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Interesting inspection experience
In a message dated 8/13/2007 3:55:56 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I took the Sub to get it inspected today, the guy wouldn't pass it because he said the 6 month old wipers squeaked as they went across the windshield. I had just taken it to the carwash, and got the wax and whatever, which makes them squeak until it washes off the windshield. Anyway a trip to the autoparts and then back to get it un-rejected satisfied him. A PITA, the inspection business must be a license to gouge. Anyway, rant off. Let me guess--I am getting east coast--penn, no mass, no--connecticut! What profound BS! I would go get my receipt and show that prima donna turkey! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T LT Don's Boy in Straw Poll
The straw poll is for Republican candidates. Interesting concept, though. You should read up on it. Candidates charter buses and take voters to Ames, where the admission price is $35 a head to get in. Wink wink, nod nod, you get a free admission ticket when you get off of the bus and are ushered into an air conditioned tent (isn't that an oxymoron?) to be fed lunch and to listen to a live band. Maybe a few free drinks. And then you go vote. Thought about going just so I could ride on Romney's bus (for free) then eat his lunch for free (if he is serving vegetarian) and then go cast my vote for Ron Paul. Unfortunately, I had other commitments (county party's Democratic central committee meeting). On 8/13/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey LT Don.how'd your man do in the straw poll? Did he take part? Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T LT Don's Boy in Straw Poll
Rats always desert a sinking ship. On 8/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you think Carl quit? - To run! -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1960's Benz diesel for sale or rescue
Hello diesel fanciers all A friend of a friend reportedly has a 1960's Benz diesel on a trailer and wants to get it off. Car is supposed to be OK except been rear ended. Car is a possible rescue or a good donor or parts car or something like that. For more information, email [EMAIL PROTECTED], who can refer you to the actual Benz diesel owner. Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1960's Benz diesel for sale or rescue
Where's it located? Also, is it a 180D or a 190D? Thanks, Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08/13/07 11:18 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 1960's Benz diesel for sale or rescue -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hello diesel fanciers all A friend of a friend reportedly has a 1960's Benz diesel on a trailer and wants to get it off. Car is supposed to be OK except been rear ended. Car is a possible rescue or a good donor or parts car or something like that. For more information, email [EMAIL PROTECTED], who can refer you to the actual Benz diesel owner. Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
