Re: [MBZ] Running on empty

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jan 23, 2008 10:37 PM, Peter Merle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  What I ould
> like to know is how do you prime the W124 when you do run out ? Do you
> just crank and crank and eventally the fuel picks up ?


Or the battery dies.  Ask me how I know!

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
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Re: [MBZ] Running on empty

[E M]

Run out  of gas??  I guess if you only have to fill up once every 1000 kms,
it's easy to forget the car needs fuel to run. lol.  I, unfortunately, am
reminded often that my car runs on gas. hee hee.

I seem to have a leak in my tank, but when I drive slower, it leaks much
less for some reason.  Hmm  :-)

Ed
300E

On 24/01/2008, Peter Merle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I managed to achieve 1000 km on a single tank of diesel in my W124 300D
> . It did not consist of any long cruisin trips just my daily commute and
> trips arround town. In fact when I topped up there still was 5 litres in
> the tank ( assuming the 70 litre tank size is correct) . What I ould
> like to know is how do you prime the W124 when you do run out ? Do you
> just crank and crank and eventally the fuel picks up ? This one does not
> have a hand primer like the older diesels.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Running on empty

[Jim Cathey]

> how do you prime the W124 when you do run out ? Do you
> just crank and crank and eventally the fuel picks up ?

Yup.  I used a clean grease gun to pump fuel through my
190D (via fuel feed hose) after R&R on the injection pump.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Running on empty

[Peter Merle]

I managed to achieve 1000 km on a single tank of diesel in my W124 300D
. It did not consist of any long cruisin trips just my daily commute and
trips arround town. In fact when I topped up there still was 5 litres in
the tank ( assuming the 70 litre tank size is correct) . What I ould
like to know is how do you prime the W124 when you do run out ? Do you
just crank and crank and eventally the fuel picks up ? This one does not
have a hand primer like the older diesels.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare

[Loren Faeth]

linuxheads!   mus be wort sum ting wtf

At 08:50 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote:
>They need to learn punctuation and they need to what they are trying to
>sell.
>
>Bob R.
>
>-Original Message-
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>On Behalf Of E M
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>Subject: Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare
>
>Do I need glasses or do ppl on Craig's list need to learn to use some
>punctuation from time to time?
>
>Ed
>300E
>
>On 23/01/2008, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > How rare is this!?!?
> >
> >
> >
> > http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/548174771.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Some people's kids..
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] First MB Diesel

[Loren Faeth]

Righto Don.  1936 260D, the first mass produced Diesel car.  There 
was one in the old Museum at Stuttgart.  I am guessing it is in the 
new museum also.

At 05:10 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote:
>I remember a discussion the other day about when the first diesel was
>mass produced.  According to my handy dandy Ultimate History of Mercedes
>Benz (a book I bought for a friend for a birthday), the first mass
>produced diesel was the 1936 260D.  Mercedes was putting diesels in
>commercial trucks and busses several years before that.
>
>
>
>I could not remember what the conclusion of the group was the other day.
>Just wanted to share what my source says.
>
>
>
>It really is a cool book and it shows almost every model with Euro
>headlights.  They sure do make a car better looking IMO.
>
>
>
>Donald H. Snook
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Gary Hurst]

i can't even like hockey, although i'm trying hard

On Jan 23, 2008 4:36 PM, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, UPS wants way too much money. But, we try to ship USPS and you pay
> next
> to nothing in customs & duty. The only time it is a problem is if it is
> too
> heavy. Call us anytime and we can quote you the shipping costs USPS. We
> ship
> to Canada every day, much to Gary's delight!
>
>
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
>
>
> > Rusty, do you have many problems with Canadian customers running into
> > additional fees with brokers?  You have great prices, but I've been left
> > paying more in the past with other items I've ordered from the US, by
> the
> > time I factor in shipping and all other charges.  I'd like to give you
> > some
> > business though.
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 23/01/2008, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I always advise calling me. I sell rebuilt ones for $1795.00 including
> >> the
> >> torque converter and a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. Mercedes are
> >> twice
> >> the price & do NOT come with a torque converter. I'll even throw in a
> new
> >> set of fuses.
> >>
> >>
> >> Rusty Cullens
> >> BuyMBparts, Inc.
> >> Tel 1-800-741-5252
> >> Fax   770-454-9745
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:32 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
> >>
> >>
> >> > Marshall usually advised listers to buy a factory rebuilt
> transmission
> >> > from
> >> > Mercedes.  Several years ago when I thought the transmission in my
> '83
> >> > 300D
> >> > was going bad (Mobil 1 ATF cured it) I got an installed price of
> about
> >> > $2500
> >> > from a dealer.  I wonder what they are charging now?
> >> > Gerry
> >> > -
> >> > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> Allan wrote < >> >> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions>>
> >> >> I would bet money the resources on this *list* know more about MB
> >> tranny
> >> >> over 15 years than any dealer or indie trany franchise.  There may
> be
> >> >> a
> >> >> few
> >> >> mechanics at some shops who have gone to the different schools for
> all
> >> >> the
> >> >> various trannys, but they don't tend to stay at one location - they
> >> >> are
> >> >> well
> >> >> trained and want to be well paid - if not they move on.  Sometimes
> >> >> it;s
> >> >> hard
> >> >> to find them.  *This* list is your best diagnosis tool.  While long
> >> >> dstance
> >> >> diagnosis is never easy, this list will often provide several
> possible
> >> -
> >> >> which typically will provide an answer.
> >> >>
> >> >> All IMHO of course.   ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> >> >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> >> >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> >> >> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
> >> >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
> >> >> .
> >> >>
> >> >> - Original Message -
> >> >> From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:25 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> >>>
> >>  Well dealers do scam-recall the 124 transmission story of fellow
> RI
> >>  lister John Peterson a couple years ago with one of the MB dealers
> >>  here-that scam bordered on criminal and sounds a lot like what we
> >>  are talking about here.  Sorry to drop that.  I actually go to a
> >>  dealer in New London CT because this unnamed dealer here in RI has
> a
> >>  bad reputation for both MB and other make service scams-a couple I
> >>  know of got to the lawyer stage for lying about parts, not
> replacing
> >>  etc.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Oh yeah, I am sure there are dishonest dealer shops, no question.
>  I
> >> >>> do think there is something to the argument that they have a little
> >> >>> more to lose if they get a bad reputation -- they still want to
> sell
> >> >>> new cars on the other side of the lot.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> All boils down to doing research before you get the work started.
> >> >>> Get
> >> >>> references.  Get second opionions if you have any doubt about the
> >> >>> diagnosis.  Especially don't assume that the local transmission
> chain
> >> >>> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions.
> >> >>> Allan
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> 1983 300D
> >> >>> 1966 230
> >> >
> >> >
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[MBZ] Crain List rims

[E M]

Here you go, a set of rims, and you don't have to worry about those nasty
summer rays every having got to them. lol

http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/pts/549516488.html

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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare

[E M]

To anyone happy with a car like that, "some money" is probably what a McD
Happy Meal will cost you.

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> but is worth sum money!
>
> --R
>
> Robert Rentfro wrote:
> > They need to learn punctuation and they need to what they are trying to
> > sell.
> >
> > Bob R.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of E M
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:42 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare
> >
> > Do I need glasses or do ppl on Craig's list need to learn to use some
> > punctuation from time to time?
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 23/01/2008, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> How rare is this!?!?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/548174771.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Some people's kids..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Dipping headlights? [was: Re: First MB Diesel]

[E M]

Almost as cool as the two horns on some Euro cars.  The polite "city" horn,
toot-toot, and the get the *^&% out of the left lane horn reserved for
tourist, BW.

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Tarek Elshenawy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Vertically adjustable headlights via a switch next to the main headlight
> switch.
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:57 PM
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> Subject: [MBZ] Dipping headlights? [was: Re: First MB Diesel]
>
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:47:20 -0500 "Jeff Zedic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Euro lights, rear fogs, dipping headlights 
>
>
> So what are dipping headlights?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] First MB Diesel

[E M]

I think the clubman is due here soon, if not already here.  Yeah, I love
some of the small cars in Europe.  They seem to know how to make a small car
fun and good looking.  Most small cars here seem to me, to constantly remind
you how little money you spent all the time. Oh well, just makes vacations
overseas that much more fun to look forward to. :-) Vroom vroom.

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Most, if not all MB's have a tranny cooler anyway. Yes, the hitches are
> factory and if you look in the trunk floor pan area you'll probably see
> the
> nuts welded into the floor that are put there for the hitch.
>
> Euro hitches are much better designed than crappy NA
> onesIMHO.unfortunately they use a 50 mm ball so most of our stuff
> won't work. I've been really freaked out by the cars here ever since I got
> back to NA.bland bland bland styling.even the same models seem to
> have subtle variations that make them look different. It's like they're
> all
> higher off the ground toowouldn't surprise me.
>
> The new Civic looks much better in Europethe few times you do see
> one.Honda's are nowhere near as popular over there...they're
> considered an old fogies car! hahaha
>
> Euro lights, rear fogs, dipping headlights, Audis with diesels and 5
> speedlots of nice little things. MB Canada is a bunch of dummies. Most
> of the people I've talked to here don't even know MB makes a diesel! Never
> mind that loads of the articulated buses in London are Benz. Police
> driving
> 5 series BMW's , Lexus IS200 diesels!! Yes Lexus diesels!
>
> Usually the trim spec is changed on models a year ahead of North America.
> I
> still can't get over the Smart car still isn't in the US yet13 years
> on.
> Not very popular back home...styling is now said to be a tad old, believe
> it
> or not. Mind you I wouldn't mind the Smart Roadster
> but I definitely do not like the Fourfour model. Not many people did...it
> sold poorly but I see lots of the Roadstersvery low to the ground and
> convertible top...wonder if they'll ever sell them here.
>
> Word is they're making an MPV or SUV soon, too..
>
> Is the Mini Clubman is here yet? Looks nice but the Brits didn't like it
> because the long door is on the wrong side of the car.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare

[Kevin Kraly]

I thought the 115 chassis started in '68.

Correctamundo!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula

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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare

[Rich Thomas]

but is worth sum money!

--R

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> They need to learn punctuation and they need to what they are trying to
> sell.
>
> Bob R. 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of E M
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:42 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare
>
> Do I need glasses or do ppl on Craig's list need to learn to use some
> punctuation from time to time?
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 23/01/2008, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> How rare is this!?!?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/548174771.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Some people's kids..
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Dipping headlights? [was: Re: First MB Diesel]

[Tarek Elshenawy]

Vertically adjustable headlights via a switch next to the main headlight
switch.

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Subject: [MBZ] Dipping headlights? [was: Re: First MB Diesel]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:47:20 -0500 "Jeff Zedic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Euro lights, rear fogs, dipping headlights 


So what are dipping headlights?


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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare

[Kevin Kraly]

'67 220 TURBO DIESEL engine?  Hahahahaha!  Wrong on two points!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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[MBZ] Dipping headlights? [was: Re: First MB Diesel]

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:47:20 -0500 "Jeff Zedic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Euro lights, rear fogs, dipping headlights 


So what are dipping headlights?


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Re: [MBZ] First MB Diesel

[Jeff Zedic]

Most, if not all MB's have a tranny cooler anyway. Yes, the hitches are
factory and if you look in the trunk floor pan area you'll probably see the
nuts welded into the floor that are put there for the hitch.

Euro hitches are much better designed than crappy NA
onesIMHO.unfortunately they use a 50 mm ball so most of our stuff
won't work. I've been really freaked out by the cars here ever since I got
back to NA.bland bland bland styling.even the same models seem to
have subtle variations that make them look different. It's like they're all
higher off the ground toowouldn't surprise me.

The new Civic looks much better in Europethe few times you do see
one.Honda's are nowhere near as popular over there...they're
considered an old fogies car! hahaha

Euro lights, rear fogs, dipping headlights, Audis with diesels and 5
speedlots of nice little things. MB Canada is a bunch of dummies. Most
of the people I've talked to here don't even know MB makes a diesel! Never
mind that loads of the articulated buses in London are Benz. Police driving
5 series BMW's , Lexus IS200 diesels!! Yes Lexus diesels!

Usually the trim spec is changed on models a year ahead of North America. I
still can't get over the Smart car still isn't in the US yet13 years on.
Not very popular back home...styling is now said to be a tad old, believe it
or not. Mind you I wouldn't mind the Smart Roadster
 but I definitely do not like the Fourfour model. Not many people did...it
sold poorly but I see lots of the Roadstersvery low to the ground and
convertible top...wonder if they'll ever sell them here.

 Word is they're making an MPV or SUV soon, too..

Is the Mini Clubman is here yet? Looks nice but the Brits didn't like it
because the long door is on the wrong side of the car.


Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] Recording modem audio - was: Mechanics lien

[Jeff Zedic]

Have a look at www.download.com

They usually have a lot of safe, decent software to try or use for free.


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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control

[Jim Cathey]

> ...I would try the diagnostic procedure
> on General Development Labs' website:
> http://gdl-online.com/trouble.html

I have one too:

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mamerepairs.html

I used to charge $40 to resolder them.  Crappy warrantee,
though, and all I was trying to do was buy beer while I
looked for work.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Nice 190SL

[E M]

What were those stickers all about?  I've seen them before, and even on a
few imports, usually from Germany (D) or the England (UK).  Was it just a
fashion things, pride of where you live when traveling on the continent, or
were they required at some point?

I also wonder about British plates, when they say, the car is Reg F or G for
example.  What is the meaning behind that.  From the way they advertise cars
at times in Brit mags, seems some letters are more desirable than others?
Can anyone explain?

Thanks,

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Donald Snook wrote:
>
> > Ebay item # 110217555795
>
> Eew.  Imagine the "turbo diesel" 220 in PHX with an Earl Sheib paint
> job (over original white, save $20 if we don't mask anything off), and
> you've got this car.
>
> Looks like a euro car.  On the old stuff the right license plate light
> often will have lenses on both sides, to illuminate the oval country of
> origin sticker.
>
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 190SL

[tom savage]

Donald Snook wrote:

> Ebay item # 110217555795

Eew.  Imagine the "turbo diesel" 220 in PHX with an Earl Sheib paint 
job (over original white, save $20 if we don't mask anything off), and 
you've got this car.

Looks like a euro car.  On the old stuff the right license plate light 
often will have lenses on both sides, to illuminate the oval country of 
origin sticker.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare

[Robert Rentfro]

They need to learn punctuation and they need to what they are trying to
sell.

Bob R. 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare

Do I need glasses or do ppl on Craig's list need to learn to use some
punctuation from time to time?

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How rare is this!?!?
>
>
>
> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/548174771.html
>
>
>
> Some people's kids..
>
>
>
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare

[E M]

Do I need glasses or do ppl on Craig's list need to learn to use some
punctuation from time to time?

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How rare is this!?!?
>
>
>
> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/548174771.html
>
>
>
> Some people's kids..
>
>
>
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare

[OK Don]

I guess a factory turbo 220D would be rare -- and I thought the 115
chassis started in '68.

On Jan 23, 2008 8:35 PM, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How rare is this!?!?
>
> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/548174771.html
>
> Some people's kids..

-- 
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
-Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 190SL

[OK Don]

Is it the same guy who by-passed the broken fuel pre-heater instead of
replacing the $5.00 plastic end of the thermostat?

>
> (OK Don - he is not the same guy who evidently overfilled the trans on
> your 300D 2.5  -- that guy was in Topeka)
>


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[MBZ] PHX CL Must be really Rare

[Robert Rentfro]

How rare is this!?!?

 

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/548174771.html

 

Some people's kids..

 

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Recording modem audio - was: Mechanics lien

[Fmiser]

> Anybody know if there is some freebie PC software out there
> that will use your sound card to record phone calls starting
> when you pick up the phone? Given the size of today's hard
> drives, I could probably get a couple thousand hours of
> conversation on one of them.
> 
> Thanks for all the good info Mitch!
> 
> -Dave Walton

Not free, but for Windows

http://www.download32.com/modem-spy-i2189.html
http://pcwin.com/Audio/Call_Tape/index.htm
http://www.softplatz.com/Soft/Business/PIMs-Organizers/Phone-Call-Logger.html
http://www.softplatz.com/Soft/Audio-Multimedia/Audio-File-Players/Phone-Call-Recorder.html

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Allan Streib]

On Jan 23, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Does anybody know if the ripoff priced broker that UPS uses is  
> actually
> owned by UPS? If they aren't owned by UPS, they must pay a whopper of
> a kickback to UPS for holding us down while the broker rapes us.


What about FedEx, DHL, or their ilk?  Any better?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] First MB Diesel

[E M]

I often see pics of Euro spec Mercedes running around with trail hitches.  I
think you could get them factory ordered over there?  I was told, they
aren't an option here, and putting one on your car will void the warranty.
Did Euro models get extra tranny coolers?  Maybe Mercedes were worried about
us Canadians towing our Ski-Doos around, 12 months of the year? :-)

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You also appreciate the Euro lights much more at night too!!  My Audi A4
> TDI  has nicde birght lights as well as the dipping feature that doesn't
> exist in North America. I think my car has 4 settings for dippingalso
> has the original Euro trailer hitch and wiring! Gotta love Euro spec!
>
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Re: [MBZ] First MB Diesel

[E M]

A few years back when there were a lot more W126s on the roads here, you
would see the odd, Euro model.  I always loved the slight differences
between those, and our Canadian spec cars.  I also thought the way they put
the folds in the seats on the Euro cars was much cooler and more modern
looking.

Not sure if it's true or not, but I was once told, there were differences in
the chassis between the US and Canadian W140s.?  We in Canada according to
them to a Euro chassis, and the US version was unique to that market.  I
know our bumper impact requirements are a little higher than than in the US,
maybe that had something to do with it at the time?

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I remember a discussion the other day about when the first diesel was
> mass produced.  According to my handy dandy Ultimate History of Mercedes
> Benz (a book I bought for a friend for a birthday), the first mass
> produced diesel was the 1936 260D.  Mercedes was putting diesels in
> commercial trucks and busses several years before that.
>
>
>
> I could not remember what the conclusion of the group was the other day.
> Just wanted to share what my source says.
>
>
>
> It really is a cool book and it shows almost every model with Euro
> headlights.  They sure do make a car better looking IMO.
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
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Re: [MBZ] First MB Diesel

[Jeff Zedic]

You also appreciate the Euro lights much more at night too!!  My Audi A4
TDI  has nicde birght lights as well as the dipping feature that doesn't
exist in North America. I think my car has 4 settings for dippingalso
has the original Euro trailer hitch and wiring! Gotta love Euro spec!


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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Rich Thomas]

Big shippers can negotiate rates that are substantially less than what 
you get walking up to a UPS Store.  A guy I know sells woodworking 
tools, he can get up to (I think he said) 60% discount, or maybe it was 
40%, either way, a lot less.  He offered to ship some large item for 
someone else if the guy boxed/crated it up and brought it to his shop.

--R

R A Bennell wrote:
> Don't know if it is some special deal but my younger son just ordered some 
> stereo stuff from NY and it came in via
> DHL for a flat $7 fee plus taxes etc. Don't know if that is something they 
> negotiated or if DHL does that on all
> packages.
>
> Randy
>   
>

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[MBZ] Nice 190SL

[Donald Snook]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1957-MERCEDES-BENZ-190SL-BEAUTIFUL-COLLEC
TOR-CAR_W0QQitemZ110217555795QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6328QQssPageNameZWDVWQQr
dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

Ebay item # 110217555795

 

On another note, this seller is the same place I got my Mercedes worked
on (when I had it) and the place I traded it in to get my new vehicle (a
non-MB sadly).  

 

I know, I know, I was the one promoting the dealer. But, this guy WAS a
Mercedes mechanic trained at Stuttgart and he has been working on MB's
for 40 years.  EVERYONE in Wichita goes to him if there car is out of
warranty. 

 

(OK Don - he is not the same guy who evidently overfilled the trans on
your 300D 2.5  -- that guy was in Topeka)

 

Donald H. Snook

 

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[MBZ] First MB Diesel

[Donald Snook]

I remember a discussion the other day about when the first diesel was
mass produced.  According to my handy dandy Ultimate History of Mercedes
Benz (a book I bought for a friend for a birthday), the first mass
produced diesel was the 1936 260D.  Mercedes was putting diesels in
commercial trucks and busses several years before that. 

 

I could not remember what the conclusion of the group was the other day.
Just wanted to share what my source says. 

 

It really is a cool book and it shows almost every model with Euro
headlights.  They sure do make a car better looking IMO.  

 

Donald H. Snook

 

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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[R A Bennell]

Don't know if it is some special deal but my younger son just ordered some 
stereo stuff from NY and it came in via
DHL for a flat $7 fee plus taxes etc. Don't know if that is something they 
negotiated or if DHL does that on all
packages.

Randy

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Yes, UPS wants way too much money. But, we try to ship USPS and you pay next
to nothing in customs & duty. The only time it is a problem is if it is too
heavy. Call us anytime and we can quote you the shipping costs USPS. We ship
to Canada every day, much to Gary's delight!


Rusty Cullens
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:32 PM
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> Rusty, do you have many problems with Canadian customers running into
> additional fees with brokers?  You have great prices, but I've been left
> paying more in the past with other items I've ordered from the US, by the
> time I factor in shipping and all other charges.  I'd like to give you
> some
> business though.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 23/01/2008, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I always advise calling me. I sell rebuilt ones for $1795.00 including
>> the
>> torque converter and a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. Mercedes are
>> twice
>> the price & do NOT come with a torque converter. I'll even throw in a new
>> set of fuses.
>>
>>
>> Rusty Cullens
>> BuyMBparts, Inc.
>> Tel 1-800-741-5252
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>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
>>
>>
>> > Marshall usually advised listers to buy a factory rebuilt transmission
>> > from
>> > Mercedes.  Several years ago when I thought the transmission in my '83
>> > 300D
>> > was going bad (Mobil 1 ATF cured it) I got an installed price of about
>> > $2500
>> > from a dealer.  I wonder what they are charging now?
>> > Gerry
>> > -
>> > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> Allan wrote <> >> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions>>
>> >> I would bet money the resources on this *list* know more about MB
>> tranny
>> >> over 15 years than any dealer or indie trany franchise.  There may be
>> >> a
>> >> few
>> >> mechanics at some shops who have gone to the different schools for all
>> >> the
>> >> various trannys, but they don't tend to stay at one location - they
>> >> are
>> >> well
>> >> trained and want to be well paid - if not they move on.  Sometimes
>> >> it;s
>> >> hard
>> >> to find them.  *This* list is your best diagnosis tool.  While long
>> >> dstance
>> >> diagnosis is never easy, this list will often provide several possible
>> -
>> >> which typically will provide an answer.
>> >>
>> >> All IMHO of course.   ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> >> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>> >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>> >> .
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:25 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >>>
>>  Well dealers do scam-recall the 124 transmission story of fellow RI
>>  lister John Peterson a couple years ago with one of the MB dealers
>>  here-that scam bordered on criminal and sounds a lot like what we
>>  are talking about here.  Sorry to drop that.  I actually go to a
>>  dealer in New London CT because this unnamed dealer here in RI has a
>>  bad reputation for both MB and other make service scams-a couple I
>>  know of got to the lawyer stage for lying about parts, not replacing
>>  etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh yeah, I am sure there are dishonest dealer shops, no question.  I
>> >>> do think there is something to the argument that they have a little
>> >>> more to lose if they get a bad reputation -- they still want to sell
>> >>> new cars on the other side of the lot.
>> >>>
>> >>> All boils down to doing research before you get the work started.
>> >>> Get
>> >>> references.  Get second opionions if you have any doubt about the
>> >>> diagnosis.  Especially don't assume that the local transmission chain
>> >>> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions.
>> >>> Allan
>> >>> --
>> >>> 1983 300D
>> >>> 1966 230
>> >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Jeff Zedic]

Yes it's UPS themselves that do it...of course! Same with FEDEX

USPS/ Canada Post is the best bet for smaller items and cheap fees. The
other way is FEDEX air as they don't charge a broker fee, you have it sooner
but you pay a lot more for the shipping.

It was good for me as I went down often enough but I don't live here any
more.

Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[R A Bennell]

The only bad thing about the postal service is that it can be real slow. If you 
need something quickly you will
need to anti up for the brokers fee. OR- have Rusty tell them at pickup - and 
mark the weighbill accordinly, that
you will self clear. Then you have to be willing to take the paperwork and do 
the customs thing yourself. Maybe not
worth the time for the $30 or $40 that the courier will charge to clear the 
customs for you. If you are close to
the border, have it delivered stateside and go get it. Unfortunately for me 
that is about 70 miles so the fuel cost
is probably more than the broker's fee too.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams


Yes, UPS wants way too much money. But, we try to ship USPS and you pay next
to nothing in customs & duty. The only time it is a problem is if it is too
heavy. Call us anytime and we can quote you the shipping costs USPS. We ship
to Canada every day, much to Gary's delight!


Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

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From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams


> Rusty, do you have many problems with Canadian customers running into
> additional fees with brokers?  You have great prices, but I've been left
> paying more in the past with other items I've ordered from the US, by the
> time I factor in shipping and all other charges.  I'd like to give you
> some
> business though.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 23/01/2008, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I always advise calling me. I sell rebuilt ones for $1795.00 including
>> the
>> torque converter and a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. Mercedes are
>> twice
>> the price & do NOT come with a torque converter. I'll even throw in a new
>> set of fuses.
>>
>>
>> Rusty Cullens
>> BuyMBparts, Inc.
>> Tel 1-800-741-5252
>> Fax   770-454-9745
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
>>
>>
>> > Marshall usually advised listers to buy a factory rebuilt transmission
>> > from
>> > Mercedes.  Several years ago when I thought the transmission in my '83
>> > 300D
>> > was going bad (Mobil 1 ATF cured it) I got an installed price of about
>> > $2500
>> > from a dealer.  I wonder what they are charging now?
>> > Gerry
>> > -
>> > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> Allan wrote <> >> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions>>
>> >> I would bet money the resources on this *list* know more about MB
>> tranny
>> >> over 15 years than any dealer or indie trany franchise.  There may be
>> >> a
>> >> few
>> >> mechanics at some shops who have gone to the different schools for all
>> >> the
>> >> various trannys, but they don't tend to stay at one location - they
>> >> are
>> >> well
>> >> trained and want to be well paid - if not they move on.  Sometimes
>> >> it;s
>> >> hard
>> >> to find them.  *This* list is your best diagnosis tool.  While long
>> >> dstance
>> >> diagnosis is never easy, this list will often provide several possible
>> -
>> >> which typically will provide an answer.
>> >>
>> >> All IMHO of course.   ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> >> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>> >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>> >> .
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:25 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >>>
>>  Well dealers do scam-recall the 124 transmission story of fellow RI
>>  lister John Peterson a couple years ago with one of the MB dealers
>>  here-that scam bordered on criminal and sounds a lot like what we
>>  are talking about here.  Sorry to drop that.  I actually go to a
>>  dealer in New London CT because this unnamed dealer here in RI has a
>>  bad reputation for both MB and other make service scams-a couple I
>>  know of got to the lawyer stage for lying about parts, not replacing
>>  etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh yeah, I am sure there are dishonest dealer shops, no question.  I
>> >>> do think there is something to the argument that they have a little
>> >>> more to lose if they get a bad reputation -- they still want to sell
>> >>> new cars on the other side of the lot.
>> >>>
>> >>> All boils down to doing research before you get the work started.
>> >>> Get
>> >>> references.  Get second opionions if y

Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Mitch Haley]

E M wrote:
> I have no problem with pay the taxes and exchange
> rate, if any, but some of the customs brokers are just silly prices.

Does anybody know if the ripoff priced broker that UPS uses is actually
owned by UPS? If they aren't owned by UPS, they must pay a whopper of
a kickback to UPS for holding us down while the broker rapes us. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jan 22, 2008 10:38 PM, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not a priority I can afford immediately, but I've been thinking of using the
> "process of elimination" to get the cruise control working on one of the
> cars. It's not the type of thing that I'd pay premium to the indy to work
> through and I'm not adept nor ambitious enough to arm myself with the solder
> iron yet. I figure I buy a "tested" (working) amp, trade it out on one of
> the cars and go from there.

Tim, before swapping parts around I would try the diagnostic procedure
on General Development Labs' website:
http://gdl-online.com/trouble.html

Takes about the same amount of time, since the hard part is standing
on your head and twisting yourself into a pretzel to get the amp out
from under the dash, and might save you some trouble if you find right
off the bat that the amp or the actuator is bad.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[E M]

I could do that, but to factor in travel, gas and my time, not really worth
going that route, not to mention the time now spent at the border when
crossing over either way.  I have no problem with pay the taxes and exchange
rate, if any, but some of the customs brokers are just silly prices.
Explain all this "free trade" to me once again?  lol

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The best way to get Rusty's parts into Canada is to have them sent to an
> address in the US and go down and get them. I used to do that, but then
> again, I have an import licence for my (former) business and had a rented
> mailbox in Niagara Falls.
>
> At the border you'd just pay the sales tax and in you come! MUCH better
> than dealer pricesor the jobber parts which are not much cheaper than
> dealer's.
>
> Mind you, I was in Toronto and went down approximately once a month on
> businessYMMV
>
> Jeff Zedic
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Re: [MBZ] Small Claims Court

[Mitch Haley]

ANGELO GIAIMO wrote:
> Fast worward about 10 years...get a call from his widow's
> attorney about this judgementpays me with interest, about  $1.5K to
> settle.

Good point. Just sit on that judgment like an egg and it'll hatch some
day, hopefully before you have to pay to renew it. Make sure the
judge puts down interest to be paid at the statutory rate in his order. 

If you make sure the credit bureaus have a copy of the judgment,
it goes on their report, and many lenders would expect him to pay it
off and get the satisfaction recorded as a condition of granting him a 
mortgage. People get real motivated when the roof over their head is
involved. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Jeff Zedic]

The best way to get Rusty's parts into Canada is to have them sent to an
address in the US and go down and get them. I used to do that, but then
again, I have an import licence for my (former) business and had a rented
mailbox in Niagara Falls.

 At the border you'd just pay the sales tax and in you come! MUCH better
than dealer pricesor the jobber parts which are not much cheaper than
dealer's.

Mind you, I was in Toronto and went down approximately once a month on
businessYMMV

Jeff Zedic
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[MBZ] Small Claims Court

[ANGELO GIAIMO]

About 10 years ago, my wife's car broke down  out of town and she had to
get it towed to the shop...some unknown shop, who did a reasonably good job
of repair, 'cept he caused about $800 worth of body damage towing the
car

Words went back and forth, etc, etc, Was not going to accept
responsibility, damage was there alrady, etc, etc. Did not argue with him,
just sued him personally in small calims court (not the business) and won.
Took 2 or 3 trips to court,  IIRC.  (Big woop, he said he was not paying a
nickle)  Fast worward about 10 years...get a call from his widow's
attorney about this judgementpays me with interest, about  $1.5K to
settle.

Just had to wait for my money.  Key was getting judgement on him
personally, not his business.

Angelo Giaimo


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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advise

[E M]

yeah, the big jobs always happen at the worst times.  Cold and snowing here
too.  I did a oil change (from the bottom) last week, laying in the snow.
Not fun, but you do what you gotta do. ;-)

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sometimes you just cannot do it. Too cold here right now to do much unless
> one has a big heated garage, which I do
> not. Paid through the nose to have the clutch done in one of our trucks
> just before Christmas. Really hated to do
> it but had little choice unless I wanted to park it until the weather
> warmed up or buy another one. C'est la vie!
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E M
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:25 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advise
>
>
> Things would be so much easier if we just all fixed our own cars. lol
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advise

[E M]

You're probably right.  I've only used an indie once or twice for work on
any car.  I do most of the work myself, and for the harder stuff, I use the
dealer.

One thing that I was amazed with after getting a full service history
printout for my car, was how reasonable the service for the Benz often was.
Sure, it's a lot more than when I do the work, but I'm not paying for the
store front and all extra fees.  the service fees however were often no
more, or even less fthan for much lesser cars I've had dealer serviced in
the past.

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> in an ideal world, but it isn't a practical plan for most people
>
> On Jan 23, 2008 4:24 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Things would be so much easier if we just all fixed our own cars. lol
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 23/01/2008, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Randy wrote: "I agree totally with Rusty. Pay what you have to in
> order
> > > to get your car out of there immediately. Then take it to someone
> > > reliable and have it repaired properly. Then sue for the losses.
> > > Hopefully in small claims court where the cost won't exceed the
> benefit.
> > > And it sounds like you could use the assistance of a lawyer to do
> that."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually most states do not allow lawyers to represent clients in
> Small
> > > Claims court.  You have to represent yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Donald H. Snook
> > >
> > > McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.
> > >
> > > 300 West Douglas
> > >
> > > P.O. Box 207
> > >
> > > Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207
> > >
> > > Tel. (316) 263-5851
> > >
> > > This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client
> > > privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you
> > > have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me.
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advise

[R A Bennell]

Sometimes you just cannot do it. Too cold here right now to do much unless one 
has a big heated garage, which I do
not. Paid through the nose to have the clutch done in one of our trucks just 
before Christmas. Really hated to do
it but had little choice unless I wanted to park it until the weather warmed up 
or buy another one. C'est la vie!

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advise


Things would be so much easier if we just all fixed our own cars. lol

Ed
300E



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Re: [MBZ] Small Claims Court

[R A Bennell]

When you pay in order to get the car back, use a cheque. When you get the 
cheque back, it should show on the back
where it was deposited. That will at least tell you where the garage banks. 
Hopefully you can serve the garnishment
papers on the bank just before payday when they should have some money in the 
account to pay the staff. Might not
work if they run on a line of credit and the bank won't advance from the credit 
but worth a try.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:02 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Small Claims Court


Glenn Brown wrote:
> If you win there may be no way to collect your money unless you hire a
> lawyer thus relegating the "small" to an oxymoron.  Good luck.

You aren't capable of obtaining a writ of seizure and sale all by yourself,
and the miscreant won't pay up unless you force him to pay?
Too bad, it would be a lot of fun to have the sheriff pack up the
guy's tool box for you.
I suppose you could sell the judgment to a debt buyer / collector,
but you'd probably only get 10 cents on the dollar for it.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advise

[Gary Hurst]

in an ideal world, but it isn't a practical plan for most people

On Jan 23, 2008 4:24 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Things would be so much easier if we just all fixed our own cars. lol
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 23/01/2008, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Randy wrote: "I agree totally with Rusty. Pay what you have to in order
> > to get your car out of there immediately. Then take it to someone
> > reliable and have it repaired properly. Then sue for the losses.
> > Hopefully in small claims court where the cost won't exceed the benefit.
> > And it sounds like you could use the assistance of a lawyer to do that."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually most states do not allow lawyers to represent clients in Small
> > Claims court.  You have to represent yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> >
> > McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.
> >
> > 300 West Douglas
> >
> > P.O. Box 207
> >
> > Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207
> >
> > Tel. (316) 263-5851
> >
> > This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client
> > privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you
> > have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Rusty Cullens]

Yes, UPS wants way too much money. But, we try to ship USPS and you pay next 
to nothing in customs & duty. The only time it is a problem is if it is too 
heavy. Call us anytime and we can quote you the shipping costs USPS. We ship 
to Canada every day, much to Gary's delight!


Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
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- Original Message - 
From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams


> Rusty, do you have many problems with Canadian customers running into
> additional fees with brokers?  You have great prices, but I've been left
> paying more in the past with other items I've ordered from the US, by the
> time I factor in shipping and all other charges.  I'd like to give you 
> some
> business though.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 23/01/2008, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I always advise calling me. I sell rebuilt ones for $1795.00 including 
>> the
>> torque converter and a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. Mercedes are
>> twice
>> the price & do NOT come with a torque converter. I'll even throw in a new
>> set of fuses.
>>
>>
>> Rusty Cullens
>> BuyMBparts, Inc.
>> Tel 1-800-741-5252
>> Fax   770-454-9745
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
>>
>>
>> > Marshall usually advised listers to buy a factory rebuilt transmission
>> > from
>> > Mercedes.  Several years ago when I thought the transmission in my '83
>> > 300D
>> > was going bad (Mobil 1 ATF cured it) I got an installed price of about
>> > $2500
>> > from a dealer.  I wonder what they are charging now?
>> > Gerry
>> > -
>> > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> Allan wrote <> >> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions>>
>> >> I would bet money the resources on this *list* know more about MB
>> tranny
>> >> over 15 years than any dealer or indie trany franchise.  There may be 
>> >> a
>> >> few
>> >> mechanics at some shops who have gone to the different schools for all
>> >> the
>> >> various trannys, but they don't tend to stay at one location - they 
>> >> are
>> >> well
>> >> trained and want to be well paid - if not they move on.  Sometimes 
>> >> it;s
>> >> hard
>> >> to find them.  *This* list is your best diagnosis tool.  While long
>> >> dstance
>> >> diagnosis is never easy, this list will often provide several possible
>> -
>> >> which typically will provide an answer.
>> >>
>> >> All IMHO of course.   ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> >> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>> >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>> >> .
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:25 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >>>
>>  Well dealers do scam-recall the 124 transmission story of fellow RI
>>  lister John Peterson a couple years ago with one of the MB dealers
>>  here-that scam bordered on criminal and sounds a lot like what we
>>  are talking about here.  Sorry to drop that.  I actually go to a
>>  dealer in New London CT because this unnamed dealer here in RI has a
>>  bad reputation for both MB and other make service scams-a couple I
>>  know of got to the lawyer stage for lying about parts, not replacing
>>  etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh yeah, I am sure there are dishonest dealer shops, no question.  I
>> >>> do think there is something to the argument that they have a little
>> >>> more to lose if they get a bad reputation -- they still want to sell
>> >>> new cars on the other side of the lot.
>> >>>
>> >>> All boils down to doing research before you get the work started. 
>> >>> Get
>> >>> references.  Get second opionions if you have any doubt about the
>> >>> diagnosis.  Especially don't assume that the local transmission chain
>> >>> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions.
>> >>> Allan
>> >>> --
>> >>> 1983 300D
>> >>> 1966 230
>> >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[E M]

Rusty, do you have many problems with Canadian customers running into
additional fees with brokers?  You have great prices, but I've been left
paying more in the past with other items I've ordered from the US, by the
time I factor in shipping and all other charges.  I'd like to give you some
business though.

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I always advise calling me. I sell rebuilt ones for $1795.00 including the
> torque converter and a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. Mercedes are
> twice
> the price & do NOT come with a torque converter. I'll even throw in a new
> set of fuses.
>
>
> Rusty Cullens
> BuyMBparts, Inc.
> Tel 1-800-741-5252
> Fax   770-454-9745
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
>
>
> > Marshall usually advised listers to buy a factory rebuilt transmission
> > from
> > Mercedes.  Several years ago when I thought the transmission in my '83
> > 300D
> > was going bad (Mobil 1 ATF cured it) I got an installed price of about
> > $2500
> > from a dealer.  I wonder what they are charging now?
> > Gerry
> > -
> > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Allan wrote < >> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions>>
> >> I would bet money the resources on this *list* know more about MB
> tranny
> >> over 15 years than any dealer or indie trany franchise.  There may be a
> >> few
> >> mechanics at some shops who have gone to the different schools for all
> >> the
> >> various trannys, but they don't tend to stay at one location - they are
> >> well
> >> trained and want to be well paid - if not they move on.  Sometimes it;s
> >> hard
> >> to find them.  *This* list is your best diagnosis tool.  While long
> >> dstance
> >> diagnosis is never easy, this list will often provide several possible
> -
> >> which typically will provide an answer.
> >>
> >> All IMHO of course.   ;-)
> >>
> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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> >> .
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:25 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
> >>
> >>
> >>> "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>>
>  Well dealers do scam-recall the 124 transmission story of fellow RI
>  lister John Peterson a couple years ago with one of the MB dealers
>  here-that scam bordered on criminal and sounds a lot like what we
>  are talking about here.  Sorry to drop that.  I actually go to a
>  dealer in New London CT because this unnamed dealer here in RI has a
>  bad reputation for both MB and other make service scams-a couple I
>  know of got to the lawyer stage for lying about parts, not replacing
>  etc.
> >>>
> >>> Oh yeah, I am sure there are dishonest dealer shops, no question.  I
> >>> do think there is something to the argument that they have a little
> >>> more to lose if they get a bad reputation -- they still want to sell
> >>> new cars on the other side of the lot.
> >>>
> >>> All boils down to doing research before you get the work started.  Get
> >>> references.  Get second opionions if you have any doubt about the
> >>> diagnosis.  Especially don't assume that the local transmission chain
> >>> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions.
> >>> Allan
> >>> --
> >>> 1983 300D
> >>> 1966 230
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Small Claims Court

[Rich Thomas]

In Massachusetts I once brought a claim against a guy who was supposed 
to have done a rear brake (drums) job on my truck.  I was busy 
traveling, didn't have time to do it myself so dropped it off with this 
guy, he gave me a ride to work, I went off for a couple days then came 
back and got the truck.  A day or two later noticed some weird sounds, 
pulled a wheel and found parts missing in the brake assembly.  I guess 
he didn't know how to put it back together so just put in what fit.  I 
went back to him, he gave me some crap about not knowing anything blah 
blah, and got me really pissed.

Anyway I went down to small claims court next day and sued him and some 
weeks later won a judgement for most of what I paid him, though I had to 
pay more to get it done right, and buy new parts.  He insulted me again 
in the court, got the judge pissed at him too.  He never paid, and 
closed his shop, so a couple months later I went back to court and got 
papers served at his house, which his wife received.  The guy called me 
that evening wanting to know how he could work this out, I told him pay 
up or show up.  He had some story and couldn't pay, so came to court to 
beg for mercy.  The judge remembered him as being an insulting dumbass 
and did not take that well, and ordered him to pay or go to jail for 
contempt.  HIS WIFE called me that evening to see if she could pay 
monthly for some months, I said sure but if one was missed his ass was 
going to jail, she did not argue on that point and I could tell  she was 
majorly pissed at him about the whole thing.  I started getting checks 
every month from her, went by their house to get the first one next day 
and she was seriously ripped about it all and reamed him out good while 
I was there and he just sat there and took it.  I figured that poor 
bastard was getting worse punishment than I or any judge could give 
him.  I finally got most of the money back.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advise

[E M]

Things would be so much easier if we just all fixed our own cars. lol

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Randy wrote: "I agree totally with Rusty. Pay what you have to in order
> to get your car out of there immediately. Then take it to someone
> reliable and have it repaired properly. Then sue for the losses.
> Hopefully in small claims court where the cost won't exceed the benefit.
> And it sounds like you could use the assistance of a lawyer to do that."
>
>
>
>
> Actually most states do not allow lawyers to represent clients in Small
> Claims court.  You have to represent yourself.
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Rusty Cullens]

I always advise calling me. I sell rebuilt ones for $1795.00 including the 
torque converter and a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. Mercedes are twice 
the price & do NOT come with a torque converter. I'll even throw in a new 
set of fuses.


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- Original Message - 
From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams


> Marshall usually advised listers to buy a factory rebuilt transmission 
> from
> Mercedes.  Several years ago when I thought the transmission in my '83 
> 300D
> was going bad (Mobil 1 ATF cured it) I got an installed price of about 
> $2500
> from a dealer.  I wonder what they are charging now?
> Gerry
> -
> From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Allan wrote <> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions>>
>> I would bet money the resources on this *list* know more about MB tranny
>> over 15 years than any dealer or indie trany franchise.  There may be a
>> few
>> mechanics at some shops who have gone to the different schools for all 
>> the
>> various trannys, but they don't tend to stay at one location - they are
>> well
>> trained and want to be well paid - if not they move on.  Sometimes it;s
>> hard
>> to find them.  *This* list is your best diagnosis tool.  While long
>> dstance
>> diagnosis is never easy, this list will often provide several possible -
>> which typically will provide an answer.
>>
>> All IMHO of course.   ;-)
>>
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
>> .
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
>>
>>
>>> "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
 Well dealers do scam-recall the 124 transmission story of fellow RI
 lister John Peterson a couple years ago with one of the MB dealers
 here-that scam bordered on criminal and sounds a lot like what we
 are talking about here.  Sorry to drop that.  I actually go to a
 dealer in New London CT because this unnamed dealer here in RI has a
 bad reputation for both MB and other make service scams-a couple I
 know of got to the lawyer stage for lying about parts, not replacing
 etc.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, I am sure there are dishonest dealer shops, no question.  I
>>> do think there is something to the argument that they have a little
>>> more to lose if they get a bad reputation -- they still want to sell
>>> new cars on the other side of the lot.
>>>
>>> All boils down to doing research before you get the work started.  Get
>>> references.  Get second opionions if you have any doubt about the
>>> diagnosis.  Especially don't assume that the local transmission chain
>>> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions.
>>> Allan
>>> -- 
>>> 1983 300D
>>> 1966 230
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dodge VIN and Lift pump

[Kevin]

Do watch for the dread '53' block with that year truck.

google should give you enough info about it.

and hopefully it's an inline six, unlike what autocheck returns ;)

On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 03:37:14PM -0600, Gary Thompson wrote:
> Here's the meat of it.
> 
> 
> VIN:  1B7KF2361XJ570032
> Year:  1999
> Make:  Dodge
> Model:  Ram 2500 Laramie SLT / ST
> Style/Body:  Quad Cab
> Class:  Pickup - Full Sized
>  Engine:  5.9L V6 MPI

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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[archer]

Marshall usually advised listers to buy a factory rebuilt transmission from 
Mercedes.  Several years ago when I thought the transmission in my '83 300D 
was going bad (Mobil 1 ATF cured it) I got an installed price of about $2500 
from a dealer.  I wonder what they are charging now?
Gerry
-
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Allan wrote < franchise is familiar with MB transmissions>>
> I would bet money the resources on this *list* know more about MB tranny
> over 15 years than any dealer or indie trany franchise.  There may be a 
> few
> mechanics at some shops who have gone to the different schools for all the
> various trannys, but they don't tend to stay at one location - they are 
> well
> trained and want to be well paid - if not they move on.  Sometimes it;s 
> hard
> to find them.  *This* list is your best diagnosis tool.  While long 
> dstance
> diagnosis is never easy, this list will often provide several possible -
> which typically will provide an answer.
>
> All IMHO of course.   ;-)
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
> .
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams
>
>
>> "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Well dealers do scam-recall the 124 transmission story of fellow RI
>>> lister John Peterson a couple years ago with one of the MB dealers
>>> here-that scam bordered on criminal and sounds a lot like what we
>>> are talking about here.  Sorry to drop that.  I actually go to a
>>> dealer in New London CT because this unnamed dealer here in RI has a
>>> bad reputation for both MB and other make service scams-a couple I
>>> know of got to the lawyer stage for lying about parts, not replacing
>>> etc.
>>
>> Oh yeah, I am sure there are dishonest dealer shops, no question.  I
>> do think there is something to the argument that they have a little
>> more to lose if they get a bad reputation -- they still want to sell
>> new cars on the other side of the lot.
>>
>> All boils down to doing research before you get the work started.  Get
>> references.  Get second opionions if you have any doubt about the
>> diagnosis.  Especially don't assume that the local transmission chain
>> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions.
>> Allan
>> -- 
>> 1983 300D
>> 1966 230


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Re: [MBZ] Small Claims Court

[Mitch Haley]

Glenn Brown wrote:
> If you win there may be no way to collect your money unless you hire a
> lawyer thus relegating the "small" to an oxymoron.  Good luck.

You aren't capable of obtaining a writ of seizure and sale all by yourself, 
and the miscreant won't pay up unless you force him to pay?
Too bad, it would be a lot of fun to have the sheriff pack up the
guy's tool box for you. 
I suppose you could sell the judgment to a debt buyer / collector,
but you'd probably only get 10 cents on the dollar for it. 

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] I don't think Kaleb is a big fan of George

[Gary Hurst]

way back in the day, when the online mercedes community was quite a bit
smaller, many of us were left with the impression that george is a very bad
man

On Jan 23, 2008 3:51 PM, Glenn Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >From someone who has had a bad experience with this individual (i.e., GM)
> and will gladly elaborate the details off-line.  My suggestion, go
> elsewhere.
>
> G. M. Brown
> Brevard, NC
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[MBZ] I don't think Kaleb is a big fan of George

[Glenn Brown]

>From someone who has had a bad experience with this individual (i.e., GM)
and will gladly elaborate the details off-line.  My suggestion, go
elsewhere.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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[MBZ] Small Claims Court

[Glenn Brown]

Be careful of small claims court.  Depending on what state you're in and how
they operate, as I had a bad experience in NY state.  It seems that business
owners in NY state know how to beat the system.  If you win there may be no
way to collect your money unless you hire a lawyer thus relegating the
"small" to an oxymoron.  Good luck.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[R A Bennell]

Maybe he did real nice work and it was readily obvious.

I added onto my house a number of years ago. I hired the foundation and the 
drywall taping and the exterior stucco,
but I did all of the rest myself. The electrical inspector came to look before 
we put up the wallboard. He noted
one thing that I did and asked how I knew to do it. I told him I had worked as 
an electrician's helper during
summers while in highschool. He became a whole lot more relaxed once he learned 
that I had some idea how to do it.
I think I did a much neater job than an electrician would have because it was 
my house and no one was pushing me to
get it done fast. I had time to put in an extra staple here and there etc.

Randy

-Original Message-

I know of a fellow, basically built his entire house himself.  Framed
it, wired it, plumbed it.  Building inspection sign-offs were a
formality.  The county inspector would come out, take a sweeping
glance around, and sign it off, and be gone in under 5 minutes.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[LarryT]

Allan wrote:<>

Because that means someone has to catch them doing work - as it is now, the 
legal contractors hear about inferior work a month or more after the work is 
done & the owner wants it fixed.  Then, when talking to the owner, they say 
something about the workers not being very professional.  Maybe the person 
having the work done could do that?   No, they won;t risk losing that $10K 
contractor and having another do it for $30 k or $40k.   It has to be done 
another way.

You also said  formality.  The county inspector would come out, take a sweeping
> glance around, and sign it off, and be gone <>

Unfortunately that won;t get caught until/unless the house burns down 
because of shortcuts. Of course, it may last 100 years..

It's a tough problem -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice


> "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Great points Tim!  As a side note, my son is a brick mason - his
>> boss, the owner of the company has started a 1 man crusade to get
>> the state or county building inspectors, or some government official
>> to make sure the contractor getting the building permit will only
>> use legal labor.
>
> I don't quite understand why more bureucracy would be needed to
> enforce something that's already illegal.  Why not just report the
> illegal job sites to immigration authorities?
>
>> Besides, who knows what substandard work gets past the inspectors -
>> and may cause a safety problem in the future?
>
> In a perfect world, licensing contractors and inspecting work sounds
> good.  Well I guess in a perfect world all contractors are honest,
> competent, and never cut corners.  However in practice it's often
> another story.
>
> I know of a fellow, basically built his entire house himself.  Framed
> it, wired it, plumbed it.  Building inspection sign-offs were a
> formality.  The county inspector would come out, take a sweeping
> glance around, and sign it off, and be gone in under 5 minutes.
>
> Allan
> -- 
> 1983 300D
> 1966 230
>
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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Donald Snook]

Mitch wrote: 

 

". . .unless the dealer's service writer says "Wow, it's been years
since I've seen one of those". 

 

I agree with you there.  If your local dealership does not have a guy
who has been working on MB's for 20-30 years (or even 10-15 years), then
you may have a harder time finding someone who can help you.  

 

Here is my advice from a former dealership Service Manager. Get to know
the Service Manager at your dealership.  Call ahead of time and ask him
if you can come by and talk to him about your concerns with your car.
Tell him you have had bad experiences with dealers.  Go in and just have
a chat with him.  Be friendly.  Get your oil changed there once a year
(the $30 bucks you spend will buy you a LOT of good will when you come
back in and they have a record of you actually spending some money
there).   Make him/her a batch of homemade cookies.   

 

If you have a friend in the Service Manager's office, you will be much
happier with the service you get.   I am not saying this is fair that it
helps for you to be friendly with the Service Manager in order to get
good service (and I am not really saying that), but it sure doesn't
hurt. 

 

Donald H. Snook

 

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advise

[R A Bennell]

Interesting - not the case in Canada - at least in Manitoba. I do it 
periodically - usually fun as it is usually
loose. Don't have to abide by the rules so much - just go and do your thing 
mostly on the facts and pretty basic
legal arguments.

However, even if the lawyer cannot go with, to Court,  a lawyer should be able 
to offer some sound advice on what
evidence should be introduced and how to do it. I don't wish to judge the 
original poster, but the post made me
wonder if English was a problem. If that is the case, then having someone to 
help seemed to me like a good idea.

Randy

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:14 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advise


Randy wrote: "I agree totally with Rusty. Pay what you have to in order
to get your car out of there immediately. Then take it to someone
reliable and have it repaired properly. Then sue for the losses.
Hopefully in small claims court where the cost won't exceed the benefit.
And it sounds like you could use the assistance of a lawyer to do that."




Actually most states do not allow lawyers to represent clients in Small
Claims court.  You have to represent yourself.



Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Ed Booher]

On Jan 23, 2008 2:19 PM, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You using a Mac?  If not then I can't help you.
>
> Ed
> --
> "I'm a Night Elf Mohawk!" - Mr. T.
>

For the Mac, (sorry) there is a program called Wiretap. It will record
anything audio that is passing through the Mac. So as long as you can hear
it on the Mac, you can record it.

(Fat fingered send button)

Ed


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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Ed Booher]

On Jan 23, 2008 1:41 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anybody know if there is some freebie PC software out there that will
> use your sound card to record phone calls starting when you pick up
> the phone? Given the size of today's hard drives, I could probably get
> a couple thousand hours of conversation on one of them.
>
> Thanks for all the good info Mitch!
>
> -Dave Walton
>
>
You using a Mac?  If not then I can't help you.

Ed
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advise

[Donald Snook]

Randy wrote: "I agree totally with Rusty. Pay what you have to in order
to get your car out of there immediately. Then take it to someone
reliable and have it repaired properly. Then sue for the losses.
Hopefully in small claims court where the cost won't exceed the benefit.
And it sounds like you could use the assistance of a lawyer to do that."


 

Actually most states do not allow lawyers to represent clients in Small
Claims court.  You have to represent yourself. 

 

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300 West Douglas

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This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Allan Streib]

"LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Great points Tim!  As a side note, my son is a brick mason - his
> boss, the owner of the company has started a 1 man crusade to get
> the state or county building inspectors, or some government official
> to make sure the contractor getting the building permit will only
> use legal labor.

I don't quite understand why more bureucracy would be needed to
enforce something that's already illegal.  Why not just report the
illegal job sites to immigration authorities?

> Besides, who knows what substandard work gets past the inspectors -
> and may cause a safety problem in the future?

In a perfect world, licensing contractors and inspecting work sounds
good.  Well I guess in a perfect world all contractors are honest,
competent, and never cut corners.  However in practice it's often
another story.

I know of a fellow, basically built his entire house himself.  Framed
it, wired it, plumbed it.  Building inspection sign-offs were a
formality.  The county inspector would come out, take a sweeping
glance around, and sign it off, and be gone in under 5 minutes.

Allan
-- 
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1966 230

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[MBZ] OT: State phone recording laws

[Mitch Haley]

Here's a link for all states, notice that some make the distinction
between the recordings of electronic conversations and face to face
conversations. In most cases, there's no expectation of privacy in
a publically accessible place (like recording a face to face conversation
in a business that's open to the public).

http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html

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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[LarryT]

Mitch wrote:<<...unless the dealer's service writer says "Wow, it's been 
years since I've
seen one of those". >>

HAHA!  Unless he says the dreaded, "Ahhh, they ALL do that"
;-)

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- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams


> Donald Snook wrote:
>>
>> If you have a problem that is difficult or impossible to diagnose using
>> general automotive know how - there is no better resource than the
>> dealer.
>
> ...unless the dealer's service writer says "Wow, it's been years since 
> I've
> seen one of those".
>
> Continuity matters too. The local Saab dealer had one Saab mechanic and
> 15 Mopar mechanics for as long as I can remember. When the old Saab guy
> retired in the early 90's, he still knew more than I did about the old
> 99s and 900s. And Cal was probably pretty competent with the 95s, 96s, and
> 97s, which I had never worked on (I started working on Saabs in 1987).
> The kid that replaced him was factory trained, knew the 9000s pretty
> good and was getting better as he gained experience. He could work on
> the older 900s but didn't much enjoy it. I would not have wanted to pay
> him to diagnose a CIS injection problem. Show him a 1974 Sonnett III and
> he'd be totally out of his element, just like I would. Unless that same
> guy is still there, I bet the same confusion would result now if you went
> in there with a 1987 Saab 9000.
>
> If my W116 did something that had me stumped, I sure wouldn't take it to
> the new MBZ dealer that opened up four years ago, I'd be looking to see if
> that MBZ indy that was in Lansing 25 years ago is still in business.
> If my E320 CDI had a problem that I couldn't trace with OBD-II, I'd
> be checking into the reputations of the dealers within 50 miles of me.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[dave walton]

Anybody know if there is some freebie PC software out there that will
use your sound card to record phone calls starting when you pick up
the phone? Given the size of today's hard drives, I could probably get
a couple thousand hours of conversation on one of them.

Thanks for all the good info Mitch!

-Dave Walton

On Jan 23, 2008 1:39 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> > 12 states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to
> > a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida,
> > Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire,
> > Pennsylvania and Washington.
>
> I should also add that the Illinois Supreme Court has pretty much refused
> to enforce the anti-recording statute for any recordings made in your
> private home of your own conversations for your own reasonable purposes.
> I really don't know much about most of the states on the 'all party' list,
> I leave the research up to those who live there.
>
> And for those who are looking to present telephone evidence in a FEDERAL
> court, record away, unless you live in a state where recording may be
> a crime and there's a chance some idiot will prosecute you for it. (did
> somebody say Maryland?)
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Mitch Haley]

Mitch Haley wrote:
> 12 states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to
> a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida,
> Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire,
> Pennsylvania and Washington.

I should also add that the Illinois Supreme Court has pretty much refused
to enforce the anti-recording statute for any recordings made in your 
private home of your own conversations for your own reasonable purposes. 
I really don't know much about most of the states on the 'all party' list,
I leave the research up to those who live there. 

And for those who are looking to present telephone evidence in a FEDERAL
court, record away, unless you live in a state where recording may be
a crime and there's a chance some idiot will prosecute you for it. (did
somebody say Maryland?)

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[LarryT]

Hi Timothy, You wrote <>

Great points Tim!  As a side note, my son is a brick mason - his boss, the 
owner of the company has started a 1 man crusade to get the state or county 
building inspectors, or some government official to make sure the contractor 
getting the building permit will only use legal labor.  Presently, full time 
companies doing quality brick work pay their  top people around $40/hr. 
Lately, some contractors are using illegal labor and only paying them $5 - 
$6/hr - making it very difficult for licensed contractors to do business 
properly - that's what happens when the competition pays 1/3 what you are. 
As  you say, there are all kinds of expenses when running a business 
properly.  The overhead expenses can be enormous when trying to run a 
business and employ people - it generally doubles the cost of the employees 
hourly rate.   Although my son's company ends up getting paid to fix some of 
the work done by the illegal contractors they would prefer not to do that. 
Better to do things correctly the 1st time.  Besides, who knows what 
substandard work gets past the inspectors - and may cause a safety problem 
in the future?

 I'm not big on unions, so I don't want to advocate that, but someone needs 
to monitor the labor being used here.

Gotta go put my anti-flame suit on ;-)

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice


Hey, you know this sounds kinda like the state licensing of contractors,
insurance salesmen, etc.

Not that I advocate more "government regulation," but it can be a good
thing. It not only protects the consumer but also the tradesman. Every month
I receive a state newsletter which lists pending actions and resolutions by
the state licensing board. These actions are usually a result of complaints
by someone who engaged another's service and the job wasn't performed
satisfactorily. The most often infraction is one engaging in business
without being licensed.

IMHO inspections are a good thing which protect you, the homeowner but also
me as the electrical contractor. Face it, if your house burns down and they
can't decide the cause of the fire it's often assumed to be electrical? As
last person on record that work on your house, I'd wanna be protected (and
my liability insurance) by knowing that the work I had done was signed off
on by the local inspection authority (in this state under the insurance
commission).

Course, what can be done if you have a "friend of a friend" who knows how to
hook that generator and though is unlicensed, he'll do it cheaper than I as
he doesn't have the expense of pulling a permit, liability insurance nor
workman's comp? Same with mechanics. We all know "miracle working" indies
who if were required to pass a state board every year (and associated fees
of being in business) would probably not be able to work. Such regulation
would probably put some good people out of business.

Used to a plaque at a business stating they were members of the Better
Business Bureau meant something. One can still call the local bureau and get
a report of any complaints or actions against a business. I personally go to
the local courthouse and look up and civil actions against new contractors
that I don't know.

Bottom line on car repair? I've been guilty of making hasty decisions under
duress when a vehicle broke down on me. Used to the automatic option was to
return a car to the dealer where it was purchased. Many people do that just
because of warranty. Doesn't apply to we folks who drive these 25+ year old
beautys. Mine really should qualify for "Medicar"  From: Bob Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:29:33 -0700
> To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
> Subject: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice
>
> I am Executive Director at the Alberta Motor Vehicle Industry Council 
> (AMVIC).
> We license 6000 businesses that are selling and repairing vehicles in the
> province of Alberta.  We also register 9000 sales people.  We have 15
> investigators that mediate consumer complaints.  We are funded by the
> licensing fees that we levy.  Our function used to be done by the 
> Provincial
> government - they weren't doing a great job at it so between them and
> industry, AMVIC got created in 1999.  Our mediation last year added up t

Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Mitch Haley]

Ed Booher wrote:
> The other party must know they are being recorded to make it admissable
> evidence.

Where? And under what circumstances?

Here's a fact, which seems surprisingly little known on this list:

12 states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to
a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida,
Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire,
Pennsylvania and Washington.

That's a pretty complete list of the states where you may or may not need
to worry about it. All other states, including Texas, just start recording
your own calls and forget this entire discussion. I'm in Michigan and
I record everything without notice, because the law in Michigan was
not designed to make it impossible for a consumer to keep a record of
illegal acts by another party. If I were in Maryland or Commiefornia
I might be slightly worried, but even those states have exceptions to
the rules, and residents of those states need to actually read the law
and see when they can record and what use they can make of the recording.

As for Hans, he needs to worry about saying anything in a recorded call
that reflects poorly on Hans. That's his only recording worry in Texas. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[dave walton]

Varies State by State. Some are 1-party, some are 2-party. One means
that if either end knows they are being recorded, it's legit. Two
means both ends of the conversation must know.

-Dave Walton

On Jan 23, 2008 1:19 PM, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2008 8:30 AM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think there are rules regarding recording phone calls, but don't
> > know just what they are.
> >
> >
> The other party must know they are being recorded to make it admissable
> evidence. However, you can plug a tone generator into the line and let it
> beep every several seconds, this is considered the "sign" that a call is
> recorded and you can probably get several minutes into the call before he
> asks "What is that beeping" at which point you must inform him he is being
> recorded, which will probably cause him to hang up but at that point the
> damage is done.
>
> Ed
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Ed Booher]

On Jan 23, 2008 8:30 AM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think there are rules regarding recording phone calls, but don't
> know just what they are.
>
>
The other party must know they are being recorded to make it admissable
evidence. However, you can plug a tone generator into the line and let it
beep every several seconds, this is considered the "sign" that a call is
recorded and you can probably get several minutes into the call before he
asks "What is that beeping" at which point you must inform him he is being
recorded, which will probably cause him to hang up but at that point the
damage is done.

Ed

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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jan 23, 2008 9:59 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Donald Snook wrote:
> >
> > If you have a problem that is difficult or impossible to diagnose using
> > general automotive know how - there is no better resource than the
> > dealer.
>
> ...unless the dealer's service writer says "Wow, it's been years since I've
> seen one of those".

I have to agree.

When I was shopping for my first used Mercedes I naively took the
first serious candidate to the dealer for a PPI.  When I went to pick
it up the service writer gave me a spiel that went something like,
"Well, this is an old car, and it's pretty worn out.  Why don't you
spend that money on a down payment on a new Mercedes?  What's your
credit like?  How much do you make a month?"

I said, "I don't want a new car.  I want one like this.  It drives
great.  I thought Mercedes cars were supposed to last?"  (Out of the
mouths of babes!)

She said, "Yeah, they do, if you can find someone to fix them.  We
don't like to work on the ones this old.  We hardly ever see them, so
nobody here remembers how."

Needless to say I've never darkened their door again, nor did I give
much credence to the list of problems they found with the car I had
brought in---in fact, I ended up buying it, and it gave good service
for several years once the usual things had been sorted out (and I bet
is still running fine for the guy who bought it from me).

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Harry Watkins]

Donald, well said.  A local guy bought one of my SDLs and has tried four
Indy's in four counties to get the ACC, cruise and seats up to par.  He paid
me $3k for the car and has spent more than that since, with little
improvement.  Of course he calls me each time and I offer him $700 for the
car if he'll give me six months to pay.

I volunteered to talk to the dealer for him.  At first the service guy was
hesitant due to the car's age but agreed to talk to the techs and call
back.  One tech said he would be glad to handle it and an appointment was
suppose to be made for this week.  They quoted 2 hours to check it out at
$93 per hour.

I'm looking forward to hearing the results.

There are very few MBs of any age in this area so the chance of finding a
good Indy is slim.

Don't never, ever sell a car to someone in the same country.

Thanks
Harry


On Jan 23, 2008 11:36 AM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Allan wrote:
>
>
>
> "Oh yeah, I am sure there are dishonest dealer shops, no question.  I do
> think there is something to the argument that they have a little more to
> lose if they get a bad reputation -- they still want to sell new cars on
> the other side of the lot."
>
>
>
> As a former Service Manager at a large Oldsmobile and Honda dealership,
> I can tell you that there are good dealers and bad dealers.  I know that
> good dealers stay in business for years and bad ones don't.  At my
> dealership, Used Cars was the most profitable department followed by the
> Service Department, then the body shop, Parts, and then finally new
> cars.  It is all about reputation and REALLY good dealers are VERY
> concerned about maintaining a good reputation.  I can tell literally
> hundreds of stories of people who went to some independent shop who
> could not diagnose a problem and therefore started hanging parts on the
> car.  Usually, once the person had made it to us, they had spent
> hundreds or thousands of dollars trying to fix the car. Then we would
> diagnose the problem using FACTORY diagnostic tools and LOTS of
> experience working on the same types of cars on a day to day basis.  In
> fact, I got to where I could predict what the problem was as soon as the
> car pulled in.  For example, if you work on 50 1998 oldsmobile 88's in a
> week and all they complain about using oil, you can pretty much know
> that the next 88 that uses oil has the same problem as the others.  But,
> Billy Joe's Repair shop does not have the experience of working on 50 of
> these every week.
>
>
>
> If you have a problem that is difficult or impossible to diagnose using
> general automotive know how - there is no better resource than the
> dealer.  The dealers also have access to literally millions of years
> experience because if a problem cannot be diagnosed, then a dealer can
> use his network of Service Managers all over the country to try and
> figure it out.
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:
> 
> If you have a problem that is difficult or impossible to diagnose using
> general automotive know how - there is no better resource than the
> dealer. 

...unless the dealer's service writer says "Wow, it's been years since I've
seen one of those". 

Continuity matters too. The local Saab dealer had one Saab mechanic and
15 Mopar mechanics for as long as I can remember. When the old Saab guy
retired in the early 90's, he still knew more than I did about the old
99s and 900s. And Cal was probably pretty competent with the 95s, 96s, and
97s, which I had never worked on (I started working on Saabs in 1987). 
The kid that replaced him was factory trained, knew the 9000s pretty
good and was getting better as he gained experience. He could work on
the older 900s but didn't much enjoy it. I would not have wanted to pay
him to diagnose a CIS injection problem. Show him a 1974 Sonnett III and
he'd be totally out of his element, just like I would. Unless that same
guy is still there, I bet the same confusion would result now if you went
in there with a 1987 Saab 9000. 

If my W116 did something that had me stumped, I sure wouldn't take it to
the new MBZ dealer that opened up four years ago, I'd be looking to see if
that MBZ indy that was in Lansing 25 years ago is still in business. 
If my E320 CDI had a problem that I couldn't trace with OBD-II, I'd
be checking into the reputations of the dealers within 50 miles of me.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Donald Snook]

Allan wrote: 

 

"Oh yeah, I am sure there are dishonest dealer shops, no question.  I do
think there is something to the argument that they have a little more to
lose if they get a bad reputation -- they still want to sell new cars on
the other side of the lot." 

 

As a former Service Manager at a large Oldsmobile and Honda dealership,
I can tell you that there are good dealers and bad dealers.  I know that
good dealers stay in business for years and bad ones don't.  At my
dealership, Used Cars was the most profitable department followed by the
Service Department, then the body shop, Parts, and then finally new
cars.  It is all about reputation and REALLY good dealers are VERY
concerned about maintaining a good reputation.  I can tell literally
hundreds of stories of people who went to some independent shop who
could not diagnose a problem and therefore started hanging parts on the
car.  Usually, once the person had made it to us, they had spent
hundreds or thousands of dollars trying to fix the car. Then we would
diagnose the problem using FACTORY diagnostic tools and LOTS of
experience working on the same types of cars on a day to day basis.  In
fact, I got to where I could predict what the problem was as soon as the
car pulled in.  For example, if you work on 50 1998 oldsmobile 88's in a
week and all they complain about using oil, you can pretty much know
that the next 88 that uses oil has the same problem as the others.  But,
Billy Joe's Repair shop does not have the experience of working on 50 of
these every week.  

 

If you have a problem that is difficult or impossible to diagnose using
general automotive know how - there is no better resource than the
dealer.  The dealers also have access to literally millions of years
experience because if a problem cannot be diagnosed, then a dealer can
use his network of Service Managers all over the country to try and
figure it out.  

 

Donald H. Snook

 

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control

[Mitch Haley]

hans hansel wrote:
> 
> Nope, not kidding.
> I went to George first, and he quoted me $285 plus core deposit for a 84
> 300td.

There's a remanufactured one for $237.56 according to Bimby's web page.
$100 core. 
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control

[hans hansel]

Nope, not kidding.
I went to George first, and he quoted me $285 plus core deposit for a 84 
300td.

After lots of searching, I got a refurbished OEM amp instead of the 
aftermarket one.

Why do you think I was kidding?  was I had?

Hans Hansel
- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control


> Please tell me you are kidding.
>
> ---
> Kaleb C. Striplin
> Cox Auto Trader
> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "hans hansel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control
>
>
>>I just purchased a CC amp from Autohaus AZ for $195 plus a $75 refundable
>> core deposit.
>>
>> Put it in my 300td and it works perfectly.
>>
>> Hans Hansel
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:38 AM
>> Subject: [MBZ] Cruise Control
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Not a priority I can afford immediately, but I've been thinking of using
>>> the
>>> "process of elimination" to get the cruise control working on one of the
>>> cars. It's not the type of thing that I'd pay premium to the indy to 
>>> work
>>> through and I'm not adept nor ambitious enough to arm myself with the
>>> solder
>>> iron yet. I figure I buy a "tested" (working) amp, trade it out on one 
>>> of
>>> the cars and go from there. If there's success maybe the old core can be
>>> repaired to replace another.
>>>
>>> SO... Who? Where? How much?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> 1985 300D 324K
>>> 1985 300D 223K
>>> 1985 300D 124K
>>> 1984 300D 233K
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Timothy Robinson]

Hey, you know this sounds kinda like the state licensing of contractors,
insurance salesmen, etc.

Not that I advocate more "government regulation," but it can be a good
thing. It not only protects the consumer but also the tradesman. Every month
I receive a state newsletter which lists pending actions and resolutions by
the state licensing board. These actions are usually a result of complaints
by someone who engaged another's service and the job wasn't performed
satisfactorily. The most often infraction is one engaging in business
without being licensed.

IMHO inspections are a good thing which protect you, the homeowner but also
me as the electrical contractor. Face it, if your house burns down and they
can't decide the cause of the fire it's often assumed to be electrical? As
last person on record that work on your house, I'd wanna be protected (and
my liability insurance) by knowing that the work I had done was signed off
on by the local inspection authority (in this state under the insurance
commission).

Course, what can be done if you have a "friend of a friend" who knows how to
hook that generator and though is unlicensed, he'll do it cheaper than I as
he doesn't have the expense of pulling a permit, liability insurance nor
workman's comp? Same with mechanics. We all know "miracle working" indies
who if were required to pass a state board every year (and associated fees
of being in business) would probably not be able to work. Such regulation
would probably put some good people out of business.

Used to a plaque at a business stating they were members of the Better
Business Bureau meant something. One can still call the local bureau and get
a report of any complaints or actions against a business. I personally go to
the local courthouse and look up and civil actions against new contractors
that I don't know.

Bottom line on car repair? I've been guilty of making hasty decisions under
duress when a vehicle broke down on me. Used to the automatic option was to
return a car to the dealer where it was purchased. Many people do that just
because of warranty. Doesn't apply to we folks who drive these 25+ year old
beautys. Mine really should qualify for "Medicar"  From: Bob Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:29:33 -0700
> To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
> Subject: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice
> 
> I am Executive Director at the Alberta Motor Vehicle Industry Council (AMVIC).
> We license 6000 businesses that are selling and repairing vehicles in the
> province of Alberta.  We also register 9000 sales people.  We have 15
> investigators that mediate consumer complaints.  We are funded by the
> licensing fees that we levy.  Our function used to be done by the Provincial
> government - they weren't doing a great job at it so between them and
> industry, AMVIC got created in 1999.  Our mediation last year added up to
> about $4 million.  We refuse to grant licenses and cancel them as well.  We
> lay charges for operating without a license.
> 
> So, if you were in Alberta, you would complain to us, we would assign an
> investigator and he would find some common ground.  If the business has
> committed a fraud, he can lay a charge under the Criminal Code.
> 
> We have found that since we were formed, industry has learned that there is a
> fairly significant consequence if they "cross the line".  I am certainly not
> naïve enough to think that it is fixed but I think we are making an impact in
> making businesses more honest and making them think twice before they "pad" a
> repair.
> 
> Most states have a consumer affairs type office that performs a function
> similar to us - I don't know them well but that might be an avenue to explore.
> 
> And I am progressing quite nicely in the restoration of my 67 200D (pictures
> at bottom link below).   .   Bob
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[LarryT]

Thank you both for correcting it - -  each time I replied I forgot to 
correct it.  Was driving me bonkers -
;-)

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- Original Message - 
From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice


Hey Bob, I couldn't help but correct "lien" as well.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:30 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice


I am Executive Director at the Alberta Motor Vehicle Industry Council 
(AMVIC).  We license 6000 businesses that are
selling and repairing vehicles in the province of Alberta.  We also register 
9000 sales people.  We have 15
investigators that mediate consumer complaints.  We are funded by the 
licensing fees that we levy.  Our function
used to be done by the Provincial government - they weren't doing a great 
job at it so between them and industry,
AMVIC got created in 1999.  Our mediation last year added up to about $4 
million.  We refuse to grant licenses and
cancel them as well.  We lay charges for operating without a license.

So, if you were in Alberta, you would complain to us, we would assign an 
investigator and he would find some common
ground.  If the business has committed a fraud, he can lay a charge under 
the Criminal Code.

We have found that since we were formed, industry has learned that there is 
a fairly significant consequence if
they "cross the line".  I am certainly not naïve enough to think that it is 
fixed but I think we are making an
impact in making businesses more honest and making them think twice before 
they "pad" a repair.

Most states have a consumer affairs type office that performs a function 
similar to us - I don't know them well but
that might be an avenue to explore.

And I am progressing quite nicely in the restoration of my 67 200D (pictures 
at bottom link below).   .   Bob

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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Mitch Haley]

LarryT wrote:
> *This* list is your best diagnosis tool.  While long dstance
> diagnosis is never easy, this list will often provide several possible -
> which typically will provide an answer.

We try, but I was always amazed at the ability of Dr. A.M. Booth
to give one correct answer 90% of the time, including times
when a seemingly qualified mechanic had seen the car in person
and failed to come up with the answer.  I miss ya, Marshall. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[LarryT]

Allan wrote <>

I would bet money the resources on this *list* know more about MB tranny 
over 15 years than any dealer or indie trany franchise.  There may be a few 
mechanics at some shops who have gone to the different schools for all the 
various trannys, but they don't tend to stay at one location - they are well 
trained and want to be well paid - if not they move on.  Sometimes it;s hard 
to find them.  *This* list is your best diagnosis tool.  While long dstance 
diagnosis is never easy, this list will often provide several possible - 
which typically will provide an answer.

All IMHO of course.   ;-)

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- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] stealer scams


> "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Well dealers do scam-recall the 124 transmission story of fellow RI
>> lister John Peterson a couple years ago with one of the MB dealers
>> here-that scam bordered on criminal and sounds a lot like what we
>> are talking about here.  Sorry to drop that.  I actually go to a
>> dealer in New London CT because this unnamed dealer here in RI has a
>> bad reputation for both MB and other make service scams-a couple I
>> know of got to the lawyer stage for lying about parts, not replacing
>> etc.
>
> Oh yeah, I am sure there are dishonest dealer shops, no question.  I
> do think there is something to the argument that they have a little
> more to lose if they get a bad reputation -- they still want to sell
> new cars on the other side of the lot.
>
> All boils down to doing research before you get the work started.  Get
> references.  Get second opionions if you have any doubt about the
> diagnosis.  Especially don't assume that the local transmission chain
> franchise is familiar with MB transmissions.
>
> Allan
> -- 
> 1983 300D
> 1966 230
>
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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control

[LarryT]

Hi Tim,
I replaced the CC Amp in my 91 300D a few weeks ago - the amp was $150 with 
a $75 core -

Bought from George Murphy at 
http://www.imperialclub.com/Part/Vendors/performancebrochure.pdf

I don;t think Kaleb is a big fan of George -- don't know the details -
;-)

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- Original Message - 
From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:38 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Cruise Control


>
> Not a priority I can afford immediately, but I've been thinking of using 
> the
> "process of elimination" to get the cruise control working on one of the
> cars. It's not the type of thing that I'd pay premium to the indy to work
> through and I'm not adept nor ambitious enough to arm myself with the 
> solder
> iron yet. I figure I buy a "tested" (working) amp, trade it out on one of
> the cars and go from there. If there's success maybe the old core can be
> repaired to replace another.
>
> SO... Who? Where? How much?
>
> Thanks!
> Tim
>
> 1985 300D 324K
> 1985 300D 223K
> 1985 300D 124K
> 1984 300D 233K
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[R A Bennell]

Hey Bob, I couldn't help but correct "lien" as well.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:30 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice


I am Executive Director at the Alberta Motor Vehicle Industry Council (AMVIC).  
We license 6000 businesses that are
selling and repairing vehicles in the province of Alberta.  We also register 
9000 sales people.  We have 15
investigators that mediate consumer complaints.  We are funded by the licensing 
fees that we levy.  Our function
used to be done by the Provincial government - they weren't doing a great job 
at it so between them and industry,
AMVIC got created in 1999.  Our mediation last year added up to about $4 
million.  We refuse to grant licenses and
cancel them as well.  We lay charges for operating without a license.

So, if you were in Alberta, you would complain to us, we would assign an 
investigator and he would find some common
ground.  If the business has committed a fraud, he can lay a charge under the 
Criminal Code.

We have found that since we were formed, industry has learned that there is a 
fairly significant consequence if
they "cross the line".  I am certainly not naïve enough to think that it is 
fixed but I think we are making an
impact in making businesses more honest and making them think twice before they 
"pad" a repair.

Most states have a consumer affairs type office that performs a function 
similar to us - I don't know them well but
that might be an avenue to explore.

And I am progressing quite nicely in the restoration of my 67 200D (pictures at 
bottom link below).   .   Bob

Bob Hamilton  O|||O
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7  (780) 462-0633  FAX
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advise

[R A Bennell]

I agree totally with Rusty. Pay what you have to in order to get your car out 
of there immediately. Then take it to
someone reliable and have it repaired properly. Then sue for the losses. 
Hopefully in small claims court where the
cost won't exceed the benefit. And it sounds like you could use the assistance 
of a lawyer to do that. I'd check
with the BBB and search the court records to see if the shop that currently has 
the car gets complaints and is sued
regularly.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:58 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lean - need advise


You are screwed. You will have to pay the $2100.00 to get your car. Then you
can sue him in small claims court for poor workmanship.


Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message -
From: "Hans Neureiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:47 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Mechanics lean - need advise


> This is a long story (and ugly):
> Last Thursday my tranny crapped out. No shifts out of first.
> Checked and it was the shift-down cable. It came disconnected at the rear
> of
> the tranny.
> I called the local tranny shop and was told trop the car off. "It will
> take
> a couple of hours for me to get to it, I'll let you know."
> Well, I ropped the car of at 10 AM and got a call 3 hrs later, telling me
> that the labor will be $384  + whatever parts are needed.
> Steep, but I agreed.
> At 5:00 PM I got a call saying the tranny is trashed and needs a total
> rebuild for $ 2100.
> After arguing the cost (comparing to JAGGY: R&R $400 + $1500 rebuilt + $
> 250
> Converter + $ 200 for the cable).
> I agreed.
> Car to be ready next day (Friday) PM.
> Got a call @ noon on Friday "We are fine tuning the car, It be ready in
> about 45 minutes. Do you need a lift?". No thanks, I come to get it.
> @ 3:00PM the phone rings and "They sent us the wrong cable. Sorry, will
> not
> get it right till Monday."
> (Why call me when you don't even have the parts?)
> On Monday @ 11:00AM I called and was told the part is on the way. At
> 5:00pm
> I called and the part was just was delivered. The car will be ready by
> 10:00am on Tuesday.
> Tuesday I called at 1:00PM and was told the tranny does not shift in 3rd
> and
> the "Valve Body needs adjustments" (Ever heard of that?).
> At 3:00 PM I called back, inquiring of the progress of the "Valve body
> adjustment" and after hearing "It is going good" I popped the lid and told
> the rep what I was thinking: "Do you know A/T's?"- "Yes we do" -"You think
> I
> am stupid. You been telling me lies and it is obvious to me that the only
> way I get my car back is to invoke police action". I hung up.
> Within 2 minutes I was called back by the rep: "Meet me exactly at 5:31,
> 1
> minute after I close the shop,  across the street,  and I will tell you
> what
> police action is, you drunk".
>
> After I put my car in a shop, in good faith and willing to pay the
> charges.
> I wind up being acused of being intolerant, drunk and poligerant.
>
> Questions to the people:
>
> 1) Mechanics Lean says they own the title until all labor and parts costs
> are payd (in Texas)?
>
> 2) Customers rights ? What is a reasonable time for a repair shop to
> produce
> a service? (Lemon Law / Deceptive Trade Practices)?
>
> 3) Where can I get a transcript of my Cell conversations?
>
> 4) How do I get my car back?
>
> TIA
> --
> Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
> '82 300SD, '95 E300D
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Re: [MBZ] Ferrari working scale model

[E M]

I think this guy has now turned his hobby into a small business and does
limited runs of cars.

Ed
300E

On 23/01/2008, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Now there is a bloke in need of female company. Although it is pretty
> cool, working engine, gearbox, clutch, etc.
> Perhaps he can sell it to Ken, in order to impress Barbie.
>
> Hendrik
> who looked at a red 230TE today but is a couple of grand out of whack
> with the salesperson
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Seen before, so look at it again.
> >
> > www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AQFRWgW9bk&mode=related&search
> >
> >
> >
> > **
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Re: [MBZ] Rheostat Aluminum Foil Treatment

[Jim Cathey]

> If I'm understanding correctly, the foil is to line the
> pipes between the light bulbs and the instruments in the cluster so 
> that the
> light can be reflected more efficiently.

Yes, exactly.  I also lined the box the bulb sits in.  Have
to be careful with that to keep it away from the electrical
end of things.

> I hope that it's not too hard to do it.

Not bad.  The worst is that you have to break the four heat-staked
pins over each black light pipe cover.  With care enough of the pins
and sockets are left intact that it can be returned to place.  I
then used a blob of surface glue to hold them back on, something
that can be easily chiseled or pried off if I should need to open
it up again.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Bob Hamilton]

I am Executive Director at the Alberta Motor Vehicle Industry Council (AMVIC).  
We license 6000 businesses that are selling and repairing vehicles in the 
province of Alberta.  We also register 9000 sales people.  We have 15 
investigators that mediate consumer complaints.  We are funded by the licensing 
fees that we levy.  Our function used to be done by the Provincial government - 
they weren't doing a great job at it so between them and industry, AMVIC got 
created in 1999.  Our mediation last year added up to about $4 million.  We 
refuse to grant licenses and cancel them as well.  We lay charges for operating 
without a license.

So, if you were in Alberta, you would complain to us, we would assign an 
investigator and he would find some common ground.  If the business has 
committed a fraud, he can lay a charge under the Criminal Code.

We have found that since we were formed, industry has learned that there is a 
fairly significant consequence if they "cross the line".  I am certainly not 
naïve enough to think that it is fixed but I think we are making an impact in 
making businesses more honest and making them think twice before they "pad" a 
repair.

Most states have a consumer affairs type office that performs a function 
similar to us - I don't know them well but that might be an avenue to explore.

And I am progressing quite nicely in the restoration of my 67 200D (pictures at 
bottom link below).   .   Bob

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Re: [MBZ] Rheostat Aluminum Foil Treatment

[Jim Cathey]

> I'm not privy to the aluminum foil treatment for the rheostat. I have 
> known
> for a long while now that I need to bypass my stupid dimmer in the 
> dash of
> our 240D, as we have no dash lights, but they occasionally come on 
> dimly and
> it is affected by touching the dimmer dial. But aluminum foil?

Yes, once it's on your head the microwave intelligence reducing
and spy rays will be attenuated, and full clarity will return.
Then you'll know what the rest of the aluminum foil is for!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] stealer scams

[Allan Streib]

"Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Well dealers do scam-recall the 124 transmission story of fellow RI
> lister John Peterson a couple years ago with one of the MB dealers
> here-that scam bordered on criminal and sounds a lot like what we
> are talking about here.  Sorry to drop that.  I actually go to a
> dealer in New London CT because this unnamed dealer here in RI has a
> bad reputation for both MB and other make service scams-a couple I
> know of got to the lawyer stage for lying about parts, not replacing
> etc.

Oh yeah, I am sure there are dishonest dealer shops, no question.  I
do think there is something to the argument that they have a little
more to lose if they get a bad reputation -- they still want to sell
new cars on the other side of the lot.

All boils down to doing research before you get the work started.  Get
references.  Get second opionions if you have any doubt about the
diagnosis.  Especially don't assume that the local transmission chain
franchise is familiar with MB transmissions.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] Running on chickenfat

[dave walton]

Thinning VO and WVO with kerosene and/or diesel to reduce the gelpoint
and viscosity works fine and is widely practised.

-Dave Walton

On Jan 21, 2008 5:55 PM, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2008 4:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Just two weeks ago, it was reported that the Vancouver WA municipal bus
> > system (what, three buses?) had to give up   on Biodiesel because the
> > stuff was
> > clouding up in the cold temps, stalling the things. But of course in SFO
> > they
> > will run fine on the remnants of General Tso's chicken.
> >
> > RLE
> >
>
> Ah, as I said, was it Biodiesel or was it "Biodiesel" in the since that what
> they were using was closer to WVO and they weren't clueful enough to know
> the difference. Yes Biodiesel has a much higher gel temp than Petrodiesel,
> but with Biodiesel you can add thinners, agents, and straight Petrodiesel to
> lower that gel temp closer to regular where as with "Biodiesel" VO you can
> not.
>
> Ed
>
> --
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[MBZ] stealer scams

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Well dealers do scam-recall the 124 transmission story of fellow RI lister
John Peterson a couple years ago with one of the MB dealers here-that scam
bordered on criminal and sounds a lot like what we are talking about here.
Sorry to drop that.  I actually go to a dealer in New London CT because this
unnamed dealer here in RI has a bad reputation for both MB and other make
service scams-a couple I know of got to the lawyer stage for lying about
parts, not replacing etc.
FWIW
Dwight  

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE)
1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles
Wickford, RI


Interestingly I've never been scamemd by a dealer, but I generally
only go there if its a warranty repair.  They've certainly tried to
sell me services I don't want, but that's about it.  They are
expensive, though -- maybe they don't need to scam.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lean - need advise

[Rusty Cullens]

You are screwed. You will have to pay the $2100.00 to get your car. Then you 
can sue him in small claims court for poor workmanship.


Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: "Hans Neureiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:47 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Mechanics lean - need advise


> This is a long story (and ugly):
> Last Thursday my tranny crapped out. No shifts out of first.
> Checked and it was the shift-down cable. It came disconnected at the rear 
> of
> the tranny.
> I called the local tranny shop and was told trop the car off. "It will 
> take
> a couple of hours for me to get to it, I'll let you know."
> Well, I ropped the car of at 10 AM and got a call 3 hrs later, telling me
> that the labor will be $384  + whatever parts are needed.
> Steep, but I agreed.
> At 5:00 PM I got a call saying the tranny is trashed and needs a total
> rebuild for $ 2100.
> After arguing the cost (comparing to JAGGY: R&R $400 + $1500 rebuilt + $ 
> 250
> Converter + $ 200 for the cable).
> I agreed.
> Car to be ready next day (Friday) PM.
> Got a call @ noon on Friday "We are fine tuning the car, It be ready in
> about 45 minutes. Do you need a lift?". No thanks, I come to get it.
> @ 3:00PM the phone rings and "They sent us the wrong cable. Sorry, will 
> not
> get it right till Monday."
> (Why call me when you don't even have the parts?)
> On Monday @ 11:00AM I called and was told the part is on the way. At 
> 5:00pm
> I called and the part was just was delivered. The car will be ready by
> 10:00am on Tuesday.
> Tuesday I called at 1:00PM and was told the tranny does not shift in 3rd 
> and
> the "Valve Body needs adjustments" (Ever heard of that?).
> At 3:00 PM I called back, inquiring of the progress of the "Valve body
> adjustment" and after hearing "It is going good" I popped the lid and told
> the rep what I was thinking: "Do you know A/T's?"- "Yes we do" -"You think 
> I
> am stupid. You been telling me lies and it is obvious to me that the only
> way I get my car back is to invoke police action". I hung up.
> Within 2 minutes I was called back by the rep: "Meet me exactly at 5:31, 
> 1
> minute after I close the shop,  across the street,  and I will tell you 
> what
> police action is, you drunk".
>
> After I put my car in a shop, in good faith and willing to pay the 
> charges.
> I wind up being acused of being intolerant, drunk and poligerant.
>
> Questions to the people:
>
> 1) Mechanics Lean says they own the title until all labor and parts costs
> are payd (in Texas)?
>
> 2) Customers rights ? What is a reasonable time for a repair shop to 
> produce
> a service? (Lemon Law / Deceptive Trade Practices)?
>
> 3) Where can I get a transcript of my Cell conversations?
>
> 4) How do I get my car back?
>
> TIA
> -- 
> Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
> '82 300SD, '95 E300D
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lean - need advise

[Allan Streib]

"LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> [...] went to a dealership. They have a bit more need to maintain
> higher standards due to higher visibility.  I know - you have all
> been screwed by the dealer.

Interestingly I've never been scamemd by a dealer, but I generally
only go there if its a warranty repair.  They've certainly tried to
sell me services I don't want, but that's about it.  They are
expensive, though -- maybe they don't need to scam.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lean - need advise

[Allan Streib]

Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> OY! SEARS!  "Slowly I turn"

Yep, the ones who were exposed by one of the news investigation shows
back in the '80s.  They took a car with verified good brakes and took
it into Sears for some alleged complaint, and were told they needed
new brake pads, rotors, drums, calipers, master cylinder etc.

References - only wqy to go when selecting a shop.  Also like a doctor
get a second opinion on any major work.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Please tell me you are kidding.

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- Original Message - 
From: "hans hansel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control


>I just purchased a CC amp from Autohaus AZ for $195 plus a $75 refundable
> core deposit.
>
> Put it in my 300td and it works perfectly.
>
> Hans Hansel
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:38 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Cruise Control
>
>
>>
>> Not a priority I can afford immediately, but I've been thinking of using
>> the
>> "process of elimination" to get the cruise control working on one of the
>> cars. It's not the type of thing that I'd pay premium to the indy to work
>> through and I'm not adept nor ambitious enough to arm myself with the
>> solder
>> iron yet. I figure I buy a "tested" (working) amp, trade it out on one of
>> the cars and go from there. If there's success maybe the old core can be
>> repaired to replace another.
>>
>> SO... Who? Where? How much?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Tim
>>
>> 1985 300D 324K
>> 1985 300D 223K
>> 1985 300D 124K
>> 1984 300D 233K
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lean - need advise

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Im sorry to have to say this, but people that stupid should just be put out 
of their missery.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lean - need advise


> Gee...
>
> For some reason this reminded me of a story.. as an electrical contractor.
>
> Couple bought a house. After moving in the wife discovered the freezer in
> the basement had quit working and the contents had spoiled. (Not a large
> loss.) She tells the husband who discovers that none of the electrical
> receptacles in that area of the basement were working. The rather 
> "dominant"
> wife (SWMBO) incites the husband. Rather than simply look into the
> homeowner's warranty, they go straight for the "big guns" and have their
> attorney send registered letters to the real estate agents. Communication 
> is
> pretty much broken down with no attempt to simply solve the problem first.
>
> The previous owners have moved out of town but the new homeowners try to
> engage the original builder with accusations of "faulty wiring" etc. Never
> mind that the house now two years old passed all inspections. As a favor 
> to
> the general contractor I agreed to make a polite service call just to see 
> if
> there was a simple solution. The homeowners wouldn't allow me to enter on
> the first trip but insisted that both real estate agents had to be 
> present.
> The new homeowners are satisfied with nothing less than "we'll sue!!!"
>
> What did I discover? It was obvious that code would require a GFIC device 
> on
> the receptacles with the unfinished concrete floor. I located it hidden
> behind stacks of moving boxes. The husband had plugged an extension cord
> into an outdoor receptacle which was protected by the same device. When he
> had plugged his block heater in on his diesel the frayed cord on the car 
> had
> caused the device to trip.
>
> I was amused! All that was necessary was to press the reset button on the
> device. Imagine everyone's response, the appetite for "crow" ..his 
> pennance
> of having to live with that "barracuda."
>
> What added to the amusement was that the husband didn't realise that the
> hard cold morning starts were related to his block heater not getting
> electricity and was blaming the mechanic, trying to hold him liable for 
> the
> problem with the car.
>
>> From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:49:32 -0500
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lean - need advise
>>
>> the M16 just never works out in this modern age.  you just get dragged 
>> off
>> to jail and/or the looney bin.  people you don't even remember ever 
>> meeting
>> come of of the woodwork and tell the news how they knew hans would snap 
>> long
>> ago.  the shop still keeps your car.
>>
>> due to the bimby business, i have had some contact with mechanics of the
>> sort who do not actually practice their trade as a professional business.
>> as they have no tax id number, most wholesale houses will not sell to 
>> them.
>> or perhaps they buy in such small volume that they can still buy cheaper
>> from us than from the wholesaler.
>>
>> i've had the following conversation on more than one occassion.
>>
>> "yeah, i need a fuel distributor for that car i've been working on"
>> "why do you think that?"
>> "well, i replaced a, b and c and that didn't fix it, so it has to be the
>> fuel distributor"
>> "no it doesn't, but i'll send you one anyway"
>>
>> ok, so then he installs the fuel distributor and it doesn't help.  but he
>> has 500 in that part and his customer has 800 in it. so he actually does 
>> the
>> work and really figures out what the problem is.  costs $3 to fix.  car 
>> runs
>> great.  customer has spend $1500 for a part requiring a $3 part and 2 
>> hours
>> of real diagnostics and thinks his mechanic is a genius.
>>
>> i cant tell you a one of stories like this.
>>
>> auto repair is a pretty crooked enterprise.  know who you are dealing 
>> with
>> and pay attention.
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2008 12:31 AM, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Gary; you are right.
>>> This kind of thing happened to me some 20 years ago.
>>> Alfa Romeo Giulia sprint GT Veloce (what a machine).
>>> Rebuilt the motor, but I could not get the damned thing to run right. 
>>> Took
>>> it to Forristalls. Drove it there.
>>> They insisted it need s a rebuild. 2 weeks later I had to pay their 
>>> labor
>>> and expenses, some $ 2500 (in 1986, mind you) and had to get a tow truck
>>> to
>>> get it home. They broke the front cover by standing on the alternator.
>>> After I replaced the front engine cover a buddy of mine made a small
>>> adyustmet to the IP rack and the thing took off like a rocket.
>>> I sued. The Court notified me that the Constable could not serve the
>