Re: [MBZ] Seeking inertia reel seatbelts W108/114/115
Don't know about over there but in Oz the law has changed and anyone selling second hand seat belts is legally liable if they fail in an accident, as such it is becoming hard to find s/h seat belts. Hendrik David Bruckmann wrote: Does anybody have a good set of inertia reel seatbelts from a W108/W114/W115 to sell? The magnetic ones in my W108 are driving me and my passengers crazy! D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bouncy speedo needle and wonky cruise in the 300TE
Just a bit too much coincidence for my liking, this is the first and only time that the needle bounced in that car and the first and only time that the cruise even remotely worked. I just want to know how the speedo and hall sensor interact, is it via a magnet or electrical connection? I found a picture of the sensor on Rusty's flog a part website and it doesn't really show much but it would appear the the sensor is not the most expensive part of the set up. Might try and see if I can get one out of a wreck for a few dollars and see what I can see. Might go to a self service wrecker and pull a instrument cluster apart to see how it all works. I followed the test procedures as laid out here http://gdl-online.com/testproc.html and all seemed fine, that is why I thought it might be the amplifier. I soldered some of the connections on the amp but most of the amp is covered in some sort of anti corrosion coating which makes soldering impossible just about. Is there a safe way to remove that stuff without killing the circuit board? Anyway that ABS light is coming on again, which takes precedence over luxury items. Hendrik who likes the smoothness of the 124 but hates the electrics Jim Cathey wrote: how does the speed sensor interact with the speedo and why would it cause needle bounce. I don't think the effect is causal. Coincidence? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ABS question again
Unfortunatley the ABS light has come on again, the only thing that I can do without going to a mechanic is to try and clean the rear rotor that feeds information to the rear sensor. As some of you might have read, cleaning the sensors made the light go off for 50K's or so but it is now back again. Perhaps there is a wonky connection on the the rear sensor and pulling it out wiggled the wires enough to make it work but my other thought in this regard is that the rotor in the diff has icky stuff all over it and is not feeding a proper signal. However this rotor is nicely hidden inside the diff and the hole is about half an inch wide and two inches deep, which makes cleaning pretty hard. Also because it comes out the side it is virtually impossible to look inside the diff without special tools. I could just spray in a heap of carby cleaner but I don't want to do this unless I know it is safe to do. That stuff tends to eat rubber seals for breakfast. If anyone has any insights, let me know. Hendrik and his wonky 300TE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ATF Level Question
Just checked the ATF earlier this evening on the 87 190D and found once again that the stick is dry. I assure you this pains me. But I'm learning just how often I have to add fluid to the leaky tranny. Heaven forefend the wife would ever check it. And I pulled the dipstick again a few minutes ago with engine off and cooled down. I found that the fluid level is just a bit above the full line. This all makes sense, but it reminded me of when I was dealing with the seller out in California. He, a plastic surgeon (so not a totally stupid man) was so sure that the trans fluid should be checked with the engine off. And when I showed him that the dipstick was dry with engine running, he said yes, that's how it should be. When you shut it off and check it, the level is right. I proceeded to show him in the manual where it states that the trans fluid should be checked with engine running and trans in park. Question is: If the fluid level is just above the full line (the highest of the two marks on the dipstick) with the engine off and cool, how low is the transmission on fluid? The reason I ask this is that it is very difficult to achieve a clear reading on that dipstick. One side will have something approaching a clear reading, and the other side will have fluid running half way up the stick. I suppose checking the dipstick after adding fluid contributes to this problem, but even when I don't do that, it's still really hard to get a clear reading. Thanks, Brian 87 190D 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens
There is something that sounds very satisfying about that arrangement. Though I'm sure it's not without its work and trouble. Then again neither is owning an old car. Brian On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chickens have multiple benefits, and there is a veritable explosion in home urban chicken raising for this reason. There is a reason why chicken feed is a slang expression for cheap. And chicken feed may not be needed for much of the year. Here in New Mexico, we get hordes of grasshoppers that can decimate a garden - they even denuded my saplings last year - but chickens are little miracle machines that rapidly transform grasshoppers into eggs, fertilizer and free-range poultry. I am still sorting through the various city ordinances to see if I can do it, but I would like a backyard chicken coop myself. Lee Jim Cathey wrote: It'll be cheaper to buy eggs than to buy commercial chicken feed, which is nutritionally balanced for layers. There was an article in Mother Earth News recently which found that free range or pastured hens (lots of protein in those bugs, and chickens provide free bug and grub control) produced significantly more nutritious eggs than commercial eggs. I was referring to raising chickens on a city lot. I doubt there's enough range to feed them entirely that way. So you'll be buying something to feed them. If they're not sufficiently fed, including all necessary proteins and vitamins, they won't lay. I don't get it. How is $.19/dozen more expensive than buying eggs from the store? Local egg prices generally start at $2.00/dozen and head on up They're not. It was an unrelated factoid, I was trying to point out that a large-scale chicken factory is obviously cost-effective, whereas small-scale is not, really. Give it a whirl, sure. But don't be surprised if it's not as easy or economical as it sounds. It's also a PITA, and any livestock owner is tied to their property. Hard to take a vacation, etc. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens
I was gonna mention the dog angle. I know that some dogs are chicken killers. I suspect my Dobie might be one. In fact I worry that he might be a cat killer. NO, this is not because he has ever killed a cat. It's because I've read in William Koehler's (spelling of name? too lazy to go look it up) book that most dogs would be put in their place by cats, but some are genuine killers of felines. And I don't see any indication in my Dobie that he is the former. BTW the late Mr. Koehler's solution to a chicken-killing dog is to tie a dead chicken around its neck and leave it there for a few weeks or so. Boy would that never fly today (again with another unintended pun). Brian Tom wrote:They are also incredibly dirty - also from first hand observation - inlaws had a dog. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens
Thanks, Clay for the info! Also a little tidbit that I hear recently from someone who lives here on the Island: She said that there was a tall evergreen tree that fell over. An eagle's nest was found along with numerous cat collars. We do always have an abundance of missing cat posters up around here. Coyotes may contribute too I suppose. Brian Clay wrote:Coyote, racoon, eagles and other predators love to snag a chicken. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gary / weight
Weight charts are not very valuable to me. According to them, I'm overweight, but look at me and you know that's not true. I think I'm heavy boned and have bigger lower body than most people. Sometimes hard to find pants that fit - small waist and big legs. So at 5' 9 I go about 170. Overweight they say. On the other hand, my wife is close to underweight they say. She's 5' 5 and 115. But I don't think she's very close to too skinny. I don't listen to weight charts. And I have learned when it comes to issues of the body that I should do what works *for me*. Everybody's different. Brian On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Humbug indeed. According to those weight charts I need to be 8'8 Bob R Still on the delardassification quest -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gary / weight Being ignorant of the Lap-Band system I Googled it and went to http://www.lap-band.com/lapband/portal.do where they offer a test to determine if people qualify - to my great surprise - at 6'1 and 235 I thought I was grossly overweight (still do) but the calculator says my BMI does not qualify. Humbug! ;-) Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gary / weight I've lost about 60 pounds since December, 15% of my gross. Method was a LapBand. I can assure you that over weight is a major contributing factor to sleep apnea. YMMV Pete -- Original message -- From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] i read it, but more everyone else didn't understand it. you are saying that he lost weight after treatment for sleep apnea, as in sleep apnea contributed to weight gain . the readers could not grasp this and wonko said that he was cured of sleep apnea from losing weight, so now only we two know what you are you are saying On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Bill R wrote: Gary -sorry if I sent this already, but i'm getting some confusing things from my hand-held emails. A friend had balloned 20 probably 400 lbs. When he was tested and treated for sleep apnea he lost about 175 lbs. Amazing they can be so related. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dinner?
Yes, I wonder sometimes what it will take to get our dogs to keep from attempting to pull me out into traffic. Funny how they seem to think that a car is harmless, but they will flinch and get out of the way of everything else. I guess it's their total lack of contact with a moving car. But still we're left with the quandary. How do you teach a dog to fear a car without injuring it or getting sued? I did read in one book that to cure a car-chaser, you have someone lob water balloons out the window at the chaser. Brian On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my mind, a chicken will learn to stay away from cars. Only takes one teachable moment for them to figure it out. clay On 26 Feb 2008, at 20:08, Rich Thomas wrote: I don't know, I figure whacking the thing with a car or a 2x4 is not a lot different, and if I saw it running just before its demise, I know it's fresh. Either me or some guest worker... --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swerved just enough to miss having a fresh chicken dinner. I don't find roadkill all that appealing, somehow. RLE ** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel- campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Difference between 400E and E420? (update)
John Robbins wrote: Well, the tranny will go in reverse, but not forward. I've never heard of a B2 problem on the W124s, but could I be so lucky? That's a 722.4, right? It does have a B2 piston, albeit a much-upgraded one and failures are rare, but possible. More likely it just needs a new tranny. Price seems high. It is hard to imagine a car that can't be driven (for whatever reason) selling for much more than salvage value. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dinner?
I did read in one book that to cure a car-chaser, you have someone lob water balloons out the window at the chaser. Our german shepherd used to chase _us_ out the driveway and down the road. No amount of yelling or scolding would work, it'd just sit way out there in the field smiling at us and waiting for the chase game to resume. One day I leapt the fence chased it down and kicked its ass. Go Home! Had to do that twice, as I recall. Such a look of disbelief on that dog! Never chased me again. Would still chase others. As a passenger I once got the driver to stop and I made it as far as the fence, the dog ran home. I think it stopped thereafter, once I got the other family members to at least stop and swing the door open a few times themselves. The road was a little too far away for it to lurk out there chasing strangers, and traffic was thin. Pretty dull wait so far from the food dish. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens
BTW the late Mr. Koehler's solution to a chicken-killing dog is to tie a dead chicken around its neck and leave it there for a few weeks or so. Boy would that never fly today (again with another unintended pun). We did that once. As I recall it didn't really work. Get rid of the dog, or the chickens. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question
The reason I ask this is that it is very difficult to achieve a clear reading on that dipstick. One side will have something approaching a clear reading, and the other side will have fluid running half way up the stick. Another reason I really hate AT's. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ABS question again
[perhaps] the rotor in the diff has icky stuff all over it and is not feeding a proper signal. Seems unlikely, given the protected nature of life inside the differential. And oil is no problem, it has to be steel particles in order to cause trouble. That's the nice thing about VR sensors. Far more likely is a bad connection, or a winding that is opening up in the sensor itself. You _sure_ you thoroughly cleaned the tone rings (toothy bits) on the front wheels? I think 90% of sensor trouble is at the front, not at the back. Much more out in harm's way, and two of them as well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dinner?
Our german shepherd used to chase _us_ out the driveway and down the road. There's a dog which likes to lay in the ditch (for the last 8-10 years) and then race whatever comes along. Never goes into the road. When I drove by the other day, he gave himself a 200 foot head start, didn't wait for me to get to the starting line. Maybe he's getting older? I caught him near the edge of the field next to the yard. Not sure what he considers the finish line, he usually pulls up and stops near the center of the field. I haven't paced him on the bicycle for a few years, but IIRC he used to be able to be able to accelerate quite smartly to 30-35mph. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bouncy speedo needle and wonky cruise in the 300TE
I just want to know how the speedo and hall sensor interact, is it via a magnet or electrical connection? I don't think it's a Hall sensor, I think it's another VR sensor that's just mounted on the rear of the speedometer (for cable-driven ones), or a straight electrical tap for electronic speedos. Not sure what your TE has. 126 is all electrical, 107 switched in mid production, 201 and 123 are mechanical, not sure where 124 sits in all that. Anything newer and you're talking to the wrong guy. I followed the test procedures as laid out here http://gdl-online.com/testproc.html and all seemed fine, that is why I thought it might be the amplifier. It usually is, but it's nice to be sure before dropping hundreds on a replacement amplifier! I've had a few bad stalk switches too. Never a bad servo yet, though poor electrical or mechanical connections have been noted. I soldered some of the connections on the amp but most of the amp is covered in some sort of anti corrosion coating which makes soldering impossible just about. Is there a safe way to remove that stuff without killing the circuit board? Paint stripper. And it's crucial that you do so if you actually want the thing to work right afterwards. I use a methylene-chloride free stripper. You also need to be able to solder _well_, all it takes is one bad connection or solder bridge to keep it from working. I use a fine wire brush (Dremel) to buff the stripped board, removing a great deal of oxidation before beginning soldering. It helps. Even so it often takes more than one pass over the board to get it working again. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bouncy speedo needle and wonky cruise in the 300TE
http://gdl-online.com/testproc.html and all seemed fine See also: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLcruise.html http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/cwcruise.html http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/SL2log.html#cruise http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mamerepairs.html Plenty of cruise info scattered in there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Turn Signal Problem
Thx Jim, I pried it up and unplugged it pretty easily. I put Deoxit on the pins and it started working! I didn't disassemble it but it comes out so easily I can always do that and treat the inner contacts with Deoxit - that stuff is *magic*. ;-) It looks like there are some plastic pins holding the bottom to the top - I guess I can push the pins in slowly work the bottom cover until it comes off. Any springs going to come flying out? Mostly I want to get thru the State Inspection - than I can take my time and work on it. BTW, I checked Rusty's catalog to see what a new one costs and it says Not In Stock or something like that. Also, they list a turn signal relay -- where might that be? It's not avaiable either from Rusty but may be a direct replacement for the typical Porsche electrical relay - if I can find it I can check it. And I have some spares of that type. Thanks for the help! Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Turn Signal Problem Should I clean the swtch with some contact cleaner and put Deoxit on it? Yes. For best effect you disassemble them to do this. IIRC the flasher switch is below the hazard button and is removed by pulling it up from the console - I don't think the console cover needs to come up - right? I'm 99% sure the window switches come up the same way. Yes, if you can do it without mangling anything. That cover comes up easily enough on all the cars I'm aware of, I always just push them up from below. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ABS question again
Contact cleaner would probably not damage anything and it;s a pretty good cleaner. Is it an optical sensor? Does the glass lens you are cleaning have a light in it? - or is it a target for a light? Just curious - You might be able to find a bottle cleaning brush to push into the hole and clean things. Kitchen specialty shops are good sources and I bought a bag of assorted bottle/tube brushes to clean my air-powered paint guns at a painting website - Like these - http://www.bottlebooks.com/brushes.htm You also might be able to use Dental Picks - ask your dentist for his old ones - whenever I ask mine he give me a handful from a drawer full! Since I have a similar car I'd like to know what to expect should mine start to act funny. Good luck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:22 AM Subject: [MBZ] ABS question again Unfortunatley the ABS light has come on again, the only thing that I can do without going to a mechanic is to try and clean the rear rotor that feeds information to the rear sensor. As some of you might have read, cleaning the sensors made the light go off for 50K's or so but it is now back again. Perhaps there is a wonky connection on the the rear sensor and pulling it out wiggled the wires enough to make it work but my other thought in this regard is that the rotor in the diff has icky stuff all over it and is not feeding a proper signal. However this rotor is nicely hidden inside the diff and the hole is about half an inch wide and two inches deep, which makes cleaning pretty hard. Also because it comes out the side it is virtually impossible to look inside the diff without special tools. I could just spray in a heap of carby cleaner but I don't want to do this unless I know it is safe to do. That stuff tends to eat rubber seals for breakfast. If anyone has any insights, let me know. Hendrik and his wonky 300TE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Turn Signal Problem
It looks like there are some plastic pins holding the bottom to the top - I guess I can push the pins in slowly work the bottom cover until it comes off. Any springs going to come flying out? Yes. But not too bad, just be careful. Our 380SL obviously had a water leak onto the center console. (Bad windshield seal it turned out to be.) The switches had all been replaced. I found the old flasher switch _under_ the seat, under the carpet. It was a nasty corroded dirty mess. I disassembled and cleaned it, and it then looked and worked as good as the new one. So now it's my spare! BTW, I checked Rusty's catalog to see what a new one costs and it says Not In Stock or something like that. Also, they list a turn signal relay -- where might that be? Usually under the instrument cluster somewhere. It fails rarely, at least when compared to the switch. The big pushbutton candy-bar switch on older cars _is_ the flasher. The flasher is part of the switch assembly on the 115's too. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ABS question again
Is it an optical sensor? Does the glass lens you are cleaning have a light in it? - or is it a target for a light? It is the common variable-reluctance sensor, THE most durable and environmentally robust type of RPM sensor made. Nothing but a coil of wire around a metal post, near which a bit of steel must swing in order to induce a little wiggle of current. If the wire breaks, or the sensor gets covered in steel filings, then you'll have a problem. Not otherwise. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question
You asked If the fluid level is just above the full line (the highest of the two marks on the dipstick) with the engine off and cool, how low is the transmission on fluid? I don't think the engine off method is completely trustworthy but it should be low on the dipstick when checked when the engine is cold running. The fluid heats and expands as it reaches operating temp and so will go *up* on the dipstick- not down as you ask. While that's true of fluid whith the engine cold/cool and running I cannot answer what it might be cold/cool and *not* running since I have ever checked it that way - since that's the wrong way ;-) Hope this was a little bit helpful/ How hard will it be to fix the leak? Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:46 AM Subject: [MBZ] ATF Level Question Just checked the ATF earlier this evening on the 87 190D and found once again that the stick is dry. I assure you this pains me. But I'm learning just how often I have to add fluid to the leaky tranny. Heaven forefend the wife would ever check it. And I pulled the dipstick again a few minutes ago with engine off and cooled down. I found that the fluid level is just a bit above the full line. This all makes sense, but it reminded me of when I was dealing with the seller out in California. He, a plastic surgeon (so not a totally stupid man) was so sure that the trans fluid should be checked with the engine off. And when I showed him that the dipstick was dry with engine running, he said yes, that's how it should be. When you shut it off and check it, the level is right. I proceeded to show him in the manual where it states that the trans fluid should be checked with engine running and trans in park. Question is: If the fluid level is just above the full line (the highest of the two marks on the dipstick) with the engine off and cool, how low is the transmission on fluid? The reason I ask this is that it is very difficult to achieve a clear reading on that dipstick. One side will have something approaching a clear reading, and the other side will have fluid running half way up the stick. I suppose checking the dipstick after adding fluid contributes to this problem, but even when I don't do that, it's still really hard to get a clear reading. Thanks, Brian 87 190D 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Turn Signal Problem
You wrote:The big pushbutton candy-bar switch on older cars _is_ the flasher. That makes me think my '78 is an early /older car - right? That Hazard flasher was pretty big - and my W123 is pretty early. the vin ends w/050680. Thanks for all the info!! Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Turn Signal Problem It looks like there are some plastic pins holding the bottom to the top - I guess I can push the pins in slowly work the bottom cover until it comes off. Any springs going to come flying out? Yes. But not too bad, just be careful. Our 380SL obviously had a water leak onto the center console. (Bad windshield seal it turned out to be.) The switches had all been replaced. I found the old flasher switch _under_ the seat, under the carpet. It was a nasty corroded dirty mess. I disassembled and cleaned it, and it then looked and worked as good as the new one. So now it's my spare! BTW, I checked Rusty's catalog to see what a new one costs and it says Not In Stock or something like that. Also, they list a turn signal relay -- where might that be? Usually under the instrument cluster somewhere. It fails rarely, at least when compared to the switch. The big pushbutton candy-bar switch on older cars _is_ the flasher. The flasher is part of the switch assembly on the 115's too. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question
Brian, the whole open area in the transmission will physically only hold about 2 1/2 quarts.? since your leak is probably at the torque converter seal, air is getting in where the oil is leaking out.? This lets the torque converter drain down into the trans case, which it normally doesn't accomplish for some time.? The torque converter holds about 2 1/2 quarts so about half of that could find it's way back to the trans case fairly quickly! Given the above scenario is true, you could actually be aggravating (feeding) the leak by filling the trans to the full mark, which doesn't leave enough space??for the oil to drain down.? The level in the trans case would?get high enough that it leaks out the tq seal, even with the engine off!? Is that the case?? Does the oil continue to drip, long after the engine is shut off? I am sorry to answer your question with more questions, but here is one more.? Have you checked the vacuum line to the transmission modulator for signs of oil?? a cracked modulator diaphragm can let trans fluid get sucked into the engine, agravating your fluid loss. Marshall (RIP) has many times said to never fill in the oil to more than halfway between the add and the full lines.? He was mainly talking about engine oil, but I have seen automatic transmissions, filled to the correct hot level, blow oil out the vent on a hard run up a long hill, or more likely, due to aeration of the fluid, caused by something as simple as a loose filter.? We are, after all, dealing? with a well used transmission, and quirky things can happen. I would start by never adding more than 1/2 quart when the dipstick gets down to the add mark.? Lucas makes an additive for automatics which may swell that leaking seal.?? Try to observe the drip rate with fluid at different levels, with the engine off. Finally, never park with the front of the car down hill! Jim in Phoenx -Original Message- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 5:46 am Subject: [MBZ] ATF Level Question Just checked the ATF earlier this evening on the 87 190D and found once again that the stick is dry. I assure you this pains me. But I'm learning just how often I have to add fluid to the leaky tranny. Heaven forefend the wife would ever check it. And I pulled the dipstick again a few minutes ago with engine off and cooled down. I found that the fluid level is just a bit above the full line. This all makes sense, but it reminded me of when I was dealing with the seller out in California. He, a plastic surgeon (so not a totally stupid man) was so sure that the trans fluid should be checked with the engine off. And when I showed him that the dipstick was dry with engine running, he said yes, that's how it should be. When you shut it off and check it, the level is right. I proceeded to show him in the manual where it states that the trans fluid should be checked with engine running and trans in park. Question is: If the fluid level is just above the full line (the highest of the two marks on the dipstick) with the engine off and cool, how low is the transmission on fluid? The reason I ask this is that it is very difficult to achieve a clear reading on that dipstick. One side will have something approaching a clear reading, and the other side will have fluid running half way up the stick. I suppose checking the dipstick after adding fluid contributes to this problem, but even when I don't do that, it's still really hard to get a clear reading. Thanks, Brian 87 190D 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ABS question again
Wow! that defines robust! As far as steel filings, I would think that would be very unlikely unless the rotor was damaged by running the pads too low. I'll bet your suggestion of a connection problem is a good one. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] ABS question again Is it an optical sensor? Does the glass lens you are cleaning have a light in it? - or is it a target for a light? It is the common variable-reluctance sensor, THE most durable and environmentally robust type of RPM sensor made. Nothing but a coil of wire around a metal post, near which a bit of steel must swing in order to induce a little wiggle of current. If the wire breaks, or the sensor gets covered in steel filings, then you'll have a problem. Not otherwise. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 400E (update2)
I think I'm going to pass on it... even if I could negotiate it down to what it should be. The ad has been updated with pics, and I have higher res ones if anyone cares. http://gulfport.craigslist.org/car/587957948.html tom savage wrote: John Robbins wrote: Well, the tranny will go in reverse, but not forward. I've never heard of a B2 problem on the W124s, but could I be so lucky? That's a 722.4, right? It does have a B2 piston, albeit a much-upgraded one and failures are rare, but possible. More likely it just needs a new tranny. Price seems high. It is hard to imagine a car that can't be driven (for whatever reason) selling for much more than salvage value. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Turn Signal Problem
That makes me think my '78 is an early /older car - right? That Hazard flasher was pretty big - and my W123 is pretty early. If the button pushes down into the body, it's the flasher too. Rocker switches have a separate flasher. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Turn Signal Problem
Thx Jim - Yes, mine pushes down into the bottom - simplifies things a bit I think - Thx agn - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Turn Signal Problem That makes me think my '78 is an early /older car - right? That Hazard flasher was pretty big - and my W123 is pretty early. If the button pushes down into the body, it's the flasher too. Rocker switches have a separate flasher. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seeking inertia reel seatbelts W108/114/115
I'm Canadian and we're not in the habit of suing (the law limits what can be awarded in such cases to a REASONABLE maximum, which means unless there was ACTUAL negligence it won't be worth it), but you raise an interesting point that I hadn't even considered. I also didn't realise that Australia was moving towards US-style letigiousness. In any case, if my 280SEL and I get into an accident severe enough to cause the belt to fail, I'll have bigger problems! I figure with the inertia reels, at least I won't have to train my passengers in the unfurling, latching, and hanging-up-on-exit of the magnetic ones. A few trips with the current setup and you understand why people hated to wear seatbelts! D. Hendrik wrote: Don't know about over there but in Oz the law has changed and anyone selling second hand seat belts is legally liable if they fail in an accident, as such it is becoming hard to find s/h seat belts. Hendrik David Bruckmann wrote: Does anybody have a good set of inertia reel seatbelts from a W108/W114/W115 to sell? The magnetic ones in my W108 are driving me and my passengers crazy! D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seeking inertia reel seatbelts W108/114/115
See the link at the bottom of each message for used parts. I got a box of 'em David Bruckmann wrote: Does anybody have a good set of inertia reel seatbelts from a W108/W114/W115 to sell? The magnetic ones in my W108 are driving me and my passengers crazy! D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question
Good stuff Jim, that's a gold star keeper. Harry On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, the whole open area in the transmission will physically only hold about 2 1/2 quarts.? since your leak is probably at the torque converter seal, air is getting in where the oil is leaking out.? This lets the torque converter drain down into the trans case, which it normally doesn't accomplish for some time.? The torque converter holds about 2 1/2 quarts so about half of that could find it's way back to the trans case fairly quickly! Given the above scenario is true, you could actually be aggravating (feeding) the leak by filling the trans to the full mark, which doesn't leave enough space??for the oil to drain down.? The level in the trans case would?get high enough that it leaks out the tq seal, even with the engine off!? Is that the case?? Does the oil continue to drip, long after the engine is shut off? I am sorry to answer your question with more questions, but here is one more.? Have you checked the vacuum line to the transmission modulator for signs of oil?? a cracked modulator diaphragm can let trans fluid get sucked into the engine, agravating your fluid loss. Marshall (RIP) has many times said to never fill in the oil to more than halfway between the add and the full lines.? He was mainly talking about engine oil, but I have seen automatic transmissions, filled to the correct hot level, blow oil out the vent on a hard run up a long hill, or more likely, due to aeration of the fluid, caused by something as simple as a loose filter.? We are, after all, dealing? with a well used transmission, and quirky things can happen. I would start by never adding more than 1/2 quart when the dipstick gets down to the add mark.? Lucas makes an additive for automatics which may swell that leaking seal.?? Try to observe the drip rate with fluid at different levels, with the engine off. Finally, never park with the front of the car down hill! Jim in Phoenx -Original Message- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 5:46 am Subject: [MBZ] ATF Level Question Just checked the ATF earlier this evening on the 87 190D and found once again that the stick is dry. I assure you this pains me. But I'm learning just how often I have to add fluid to the leaky tranny. Heaven forefend the wife would ever check it. And I pulled the dipstick again a few minutes ago with engine off and cooled down. I found that the fluid level is just a bit above the full line. This all makes sense, but it reminded me of when I was dealing with the seller out in California. He, a plastic surgeon (so not a totally stupid man) was so sure that the trans fluid should be checked with the engine off. And when I showed him that the dipstick was dry with engine running, he said yes, that's how it should be. When you shut it off and check it, the level is right. I proceeded to show him in the manual where it states that the trans fluid should be checked with engine running and trans in park. Question is: If the fluid level is just above the full line (the highest of the two marks on the dipstick) with the engine off and cool, how low is the transmission on fluid? The reason I ask this is that it is very difficult to achieve a clear reading on that dipstick. One side will have something approaching a clear reading, and the other side will have fluid running half way up the stick. I suppose checking the dipstick after adding fluid contributes to this problem, but even when I don't do that, it's still really hard to get a clear reading. Thanks, Brian 87 190D 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices hit record high
Are you seeing any drop in prices today? I hear on the radio that prices in Toronto have gone down about $0.03 this morning and it should happen accross the country shortly. I am holding off here on filling in the hope that they are correct as the price just went up yesterday. I need to fill but am not going to drive much today so will wait til tomorrow and see if it drops back down. It will only make a difference of about $3 on a fill maybe but it is sort of the principle of the thing at this point. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hendrik Fay Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices hit record high OPEC is very shy of telling exactly how much they have left, so as to stuff the world around. Also China and other parts of the developing world are starting to use up vast quantities of oil. There may well be oil reserves under the oceans but getting at them will require technology that is still beyond us. I suppose it is in the interest of OPEC to not oversupply, cause once their oil runs out it's back to herding camels in the desert. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seeking inertia reel seatbelts W108/114/115
Not sure I agree that the law limits what can be awarded in Canada. Part of the issue is that we don't generally have civil jury trials here. We get Judges who are more conservative than juries generally are. The other issue is of course that some jurisdictions, like Manitoba, now have a no fault system so we are not permitted to sue. We get whatever the insurer has decided we will get, if entitled to any compensation. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Bruckmann Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:30 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seeking inertia reel seatbelts W108/114/115 I'm Canadian and we're not in the habit of suing (the law limits what can be awarded in such cases to a REASONABLE maximum, which means unless there was ACTUAL negligence it won't be worth it), but you raise an interesting point that I hadn't even considered. I also didn't realise that Australia was moving towards US-style letigiousness. In any case, if my 280SEL and I get into an accident severe enough to cause the belt to fail, I'll have bigger problems! I figure with the inertia reels, at least I won't have to train my passengers in the unfurling, latching, and hanging-up-on-exit of the magnetic ones. A few trips with the current setup and you understand why people hated to wear seatbelts! D. Hendrik wrote: Don't know about over there but in Oz the law has changed and anyone selling second hand seat belts is legally liable if they fail in an accident, as such it is becoming hard to find s/h seat belts. Hendrik David Bruckmann wrote: Does anybody have a good set of inertia reel seatbelts from a W108/W114/W115 to sell? The magnetic ones in my W108 are driving me and my passengers crazy! D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT LCD Displays
Hi, All. My last CRT display died and me and the boss went looking for a new display. Tried Staples, as we were going there for something else, and Joanne's comment was that the LCDs on display seemed to be out of focus. They are not as sharp as my old Dell C610, looked like less depth of field. Does anyone have any valid suggestions for a decent quality 19/20 wide-screen LCD? This range will fit our slim budget. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel content:- Brushed snow off my 190DT's and the 300TD. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices hit record high
Regular down .04 a litre here today. Ed 300E On 28/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you seeing any drop in prices today? I hear on the radio that prices in Toronto have gone down about $0.03 this morning and it should happen accross the country shortly. I am holding off here on filling in the hope that they are correct as the price just went up yesterday. I need to fill but am not going to drive much today so will wait til tomorrow and see if it drops back down. It will only make a difference of about $3 on a fill maybe but it is sort of the principle of the thing at this point. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hendrik Fay Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices hit record high OPEC is very shy of telling exactly how much they have left, so as to stuff the world around. Also China and other parts of the developing world are starting to use up vast quantities of oil. There may well be oil reserves under the oceans but getting at them will require technology that is still beyond us. I suppose it is in the interest of OPEC to not oversupply, cause once their oil runs out it's back to herding camels in the desert. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT LCD Displays
Samsung 1920x1200 resolution, they come in various sizes, and make sure your video card can drive it to that resolution. Also look at contrast ratio -- the cheap ones are like 1000:1, the Samsungs are 3000:1. That makes a big difference. A good TV LCD is now up over 10k:1, maybe higher. --R Frederick W Moir wrote: Hi, All. My last CRT display died and me and the boss went looking for a new display. Tried Staples, as we were going there for something else, and Joanne's comment was that the LCDs on display seemed to be out of focus. They are not as sharp as my old Dell C610, looked like less depth of field. Does anyone have any valid suggestions for a decent quality 19/20 wide-screen LCD? This range will fit our slim budget. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel content:- Brushed snow off my 190DT's and the 300TD. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices hit record high
I just paid $3.49 per gallon for diesel here in SCGrr! $64.00 to fill up to 300CD Dave H... -- From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices hit record high Regular down .04 a litre here today. Ed 300E On 28/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you seeing any drop in prices today? I hear on the radio that prices in Toronto have gone down about $0.03 this morning and it should happen accross the country shortly. I am holding off here on filling in the hope that they are correct as the price just went up yesterday. I need to fill but am not going to drive much today so will wait til tomorrow and see if it drops back down. It will only make a difference of about $3 on a fill maybe but it is sort of the principle of the thing at this point. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hendrik Fay Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices hit record high OPEC is very shy of telling exactly how much they have left, so as to stuff the world around. Also China and other parts of the developing world are starting to use up vast quantities of oil. There may well be oil reserves under the oceans but getting at them will require technology that is still beyond us. I suppose it is in the interest of OPEC to not oversupply, cause once their oil runs out it's back to herding camels in the desert. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question
Jim in Phoenix wrote: Have you checked the vacuum line to the transmission modulator for signs of oil?? a cracked modulator diaphragm can let trans fluid get sucked into the engine, agravating your fluid loss. That is exactly what happened to my 82 300D. You won't notice it running badly because, of course, a little transmission fluid isn't going to hurt a diesel. I replaced the vacuum modulator (because the shifts were way too hard and I couldn't adjust it more). That fixed the shifting problem and the leak. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT LCD Displays
Frederick W Moir wrote: My last CRT display died and me and the boss went looking for a new display. Tried Staples, as we were going there for something else, and Joanne's comment was that the LCDs on display seemed to be out of focus. They are not as sharp as my old Dell C610, looked like less depth of field. Does anyone have any valid suggestions for a decent quality 19/20 wide-screen LCD? This range will fit our slim budget. You should be able to get a good 19/20 for less than $200. One of the things about clarity is that if an LCD is not run at the resolution it was designed for, it will look very blurry. Not sure if that was the case on the ones you were looking at, but it might just be the case. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 400E (update2)
John R. wrote: I think I'm going to pass on it... even if I could negotiate it down to what it should be. The ad has been updated with pics, and I have higher res ones if anyone cares. http://gulfport.craigslist.org/car/587957948.html Have you checked on prices to replace the transmission? What is the Rusty price for a transmission for this car. If you could get them down to $1500-1800 and then put in a Rusty tranny it might be a great car - assuming it wasn't a Katrina victim. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: LCD Displays
Pretty common when an LCD is run at a non-native resolution. For instance my 17 Samsung is rated for max 1280x1024, crank it down to 1024x768 and it gets blurry. Crank it down again (I can't remember, not to 800x600 but something just above) and its a native resolution and its sharp again... 19 will have the same resolution as a 17 (usually) so 1280x1024. IIRC the change is at 22 where you get 1600x1280. Oops, I just checked and the Samsung 20 gets more resolution than the 17, I was saving up for a 22-23 but maybe will go with the 20... -Curt Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:06:32 -0500 From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT LCD Displays To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi, All. My last CRT display died and me and the boss went looking for a new display. Tried Staples, as we were going there for something else, and Joanne's comment was that the LCDs on display seemed to be out of focus. They are not as sharp as my old Dell C610, looked like less depth of field. Does anyone have any valid suggestions for a decent quality 19/20 wide-screen LCD? This range will fit our slim budget. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel content:- Brushed snow off my 190DT's and the 300TD. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: LCD Displays
Are there any adapters that let you put a TV signal (e.g. from a portable DVD player, etc) into a computer monitor? On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:44:26 -0800 (PST), Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Pretty common when an LCD is run at a non-native resolution. For instance my 17 Samsung is rated for max 1280x1024, crank it down to 1024x768 and it gets blurry. Crank it down again (I can't remember, not to 800x600 but something just above) and its a native resolution and its sharp again... 19 will have the same resolution as a 17 (usually) so 1280x1024. IIRC the change is at 22 where you get 1600x1280. Oops, I just checked and the Samsung 20 gets more resolution than the 17, I was saving up for a 22-23 but maybe will go with the 20... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 400E (update2)
Donald Snook wrote: What is the Rusty price for a transmission for this car. If you could get them down to $1500-1800 and then put in a Rusty tranny it might be a great car - assuming it wasn't a Katrina victim. From that thread a while back, I'm presuming that a tranny would cost about $1700-1800 from Rusty (from that long warranty question thread). And for $3600 it starts approaching the point of not good enough of a deal to justify having 4 MBs. There's a $500 '80 SD in Atlanta I'm trying to get also. Someone was in line before me though... hopefully they haven't bought it. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: LCD Displays
Allan Streib wrote: Are there any adapters that let you put a TV signal (e.g. from a portable DVD player, etc) into a computer monitor? I'm sure there are, but they're probably around $100. You can also get a TV tuner for about $50, and then you can record TV shows to the computer. Also, you can take the route my brother did... he bought a 26 720p TV that has a VGA input. Resolution is something like 1370x800. He can do PiP with the monitor TV running at the same time. If going that route, I'd get a 1080p TV... much better resolution. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Cars! And loose dogs who chase them
Reminds me of this Border Collie on my commute back home from school last year. As any good Border would do, it not only crouched and gave the stare, it laid down and actually had its chin on the ground as it stalked the approaching cars. The most scary thing is that its nose was right at the pavement's edge (with no paved shoulder). It used to really irritate me actually, as I didn't want the damage to my car or the trauma of nailing a dog in the road, then having to decide whether to go back and attempt to rescue it as it flailed and suffered, and to try to contact the dog's owners and face their wrath and hysteria and sorrow. On the other hand, maybe as farmers they would take the news in much more stoic fashion and chalk it up to a dog that was no good 'cause it got ran over and couldn't stay out of the way of cars. At any rate, I really wanted to ask them to contain their dog. In fact I tried to call the local sheriff dept. but couldn't find the number. As for dogs and bicycles: That irritates me even more. I know a woman from our cycling group that had to be airlifted to the hospital because of a dog that chased her and made her crash. She is not ever going to be the same. I feel so badly for her. But as far as I know, she did not seek to call the dog's owners to responsibility for this. I'm a dog lover, but I really am not as enchanted at the idea of dogs running loose as a lot of people are. Brian Mitch wrote: There's a dog which likes to lay in the ditch (for the last 8-10 years) and then race whatever comes along. Never goes into the road. When I drove by the other day, he gave himself a 200 foot head start, didn't wait for me to get to the starting line. Maybe he's getting older? I caught him near the edge of the field next to the yard. Not sure what he considers the finish line, he usually pulls up and stops near the center of the field. I haven't paced him on the bicycle for a few years, but IIRC he used to be able to be able to accelerate quite smartly to 30-35mph. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Cars! And loose dogs who chase them
i live in a suburban area about 25 miles east of atlanta. most people own at least one dog. about 20% let the dogs run free. this initially alarmed me, but i soon discovered that everyone (including animal control) just accepts it so i only do anything now if a dog is proven to be vicious. I think it's kind of crazy, but more country minded persons don't get how anyone could be against it. the worst i have to deal with now is a white pit mix who loves people but is a tad dog aggressive. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reminds me of this Border Collie on my commute back home from school last year. As any good Border would do, it not only crouched and gave the stare, it laid down and actually had its chin on the ground as it stalked the approaching cars. The most scary thing is that its nose was right at the pavement's edge (with no paved shoulder). It used to really irritate me actually, as I didn't want the damage to my car or the trauma of nailing a dog in the road, then having to decide whether to go back and attempt to rescue it as it flailed and suffered, and to try to contact the dog's owners and face their wrath and hysteria and sorrow. On the other hand, maybe as farmers they would take the news in much more stoic fashion and chalk it up to a dog that was no good 'cause it got ran over and couldn't stay out of the way of cars. At any rate, I really wanted to ask them to contain their dog. In fact I tried to call the local sheriff dept. but couldn't find the number. As for dogs and bicycles: That irritates me even more. I know a woman from our cycling group that had to be airlifted to the hospital because of a dog that chased her and made her crash. She is not ever going to be the same. I feel so badly for her. But as far as I know, she did not seek to call the dog's owners to responsibility for this. I'm a dog lover, but I really am not as enchanted at the idea of dogs running loose as a lot of people are. Brian Mitch wrote: There's a dog which likes to lay in the ditch (for the last 8-10 years) and then race whatever comes along. Never goes into the road. When I drove by the other day, he gave himself a 200 foot head start, didn't wait for me to get to the starting line. Maybe he's getting older? I caught him near the edge of the field next to the yard. Not sure what he considers the finish line, he usually pulls up and stops near the center of the field. I haven't paced him on the bicycle for a few years, but IIRC he used to be able to be able to accelerate quite smartly to 30-35mph. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question
Thanks Jim, and others. Great info. I'll study it a few times to try to remember it all and learn from it. I did, however, think there might be a sort of standard knowledge of how much the difference between the dipstick reading in a warm, running engine and a cold, non-running engine is. I see how things can get a whole lot more complicated, though, after reading the response. I agree totally with whomever exclaimed that they hate ATs. I hate the stuffing out of them to!!! Well, with one exception: The 727 Torqueflite behind my big block Chrysler. That model is known as bulletproof. Never had a problem with one, and I can say that as a foolish youth I have accidentally shifted to reverse at maybe 30 mph. (not that I wouldn't make that mistake today). And I have seen many neutral drop from other idiots (most too young to drive). Brian On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, the whole open area in the transmission will physically only hold about 2 1/2 quarts.? since your leak is probably at the torque converter seal, air is getting in where the oil is leaking out.? This lets the torque converter drain down into the trans case, which it normally doesn't accomplish for some time.? The torque converter holds about 2 1/2 quarts so about half of that could find it's way back to the trans case fairly quickly! Given the above scenario is true, you could actually be aggravating (feeding) the leak by filling the trans to the full mark, which doesn't leave enough space??for the oil to drain down.? The level in the trans case would?get high enough that it leaks out the tq seal, even with the engine off!? Is that the case?? Does the oil continue to drip, long after the engine is shut off? I am sorry to answer your question with more questions, but here is one more.? Have you checked the vacuum line to the transmission modulator for signs of oil?? a cracked modulator diaphragm can let trans fluid get sucked into the engine, agravating your fluid loss. Marshall (RIP) has many times said to never fill in the oil to more than halfway between the add and the full lines.? He was mainly talking about engine oil, but I have seen automatic transmissions, filled to the correct hot level, blow oil out the vent on a hard run up a long hill, or more likely, due to aeration of the fluid, caused by something as simple as a loose filter.? We are, after all, dealing? with a well used transmission, and quirky things can happen. I would start by never adding more than 1/2 quart when the dipstick gets down to the add mark.? Lucas makes an additive for automatics which may swell that leaking seal.?? Try to observe the drip rate with fluid at different levels, with the engine off. Finally, never park with the front of the car down hill! Jim in Phoenx -Original Message- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 5:46 am Subject: [MBZ] ATF Level Question Just checked the ATF earlier this evening on the 87 190D and found once again that the stick is dry. I assure you this pains me. But I'm learning just how often I have to add fluid to the leaky tranny. Heaven forefend the wife would ever check it. And I pulled the dipstick again a few minutes ago with engine off and cooled down. I found that the fluid level is just a bit above the full line. This all makes sense, but it reminded me of when I was dealing with the seller out in California. He, a plastic surgeon (so not a totally stupid man) was so sure that the trans fluid should be checked with the engine off. And when I showed him that the dipstick was dry with engine running, he said yes, that's how it should be. When you shut it off and check it, the level is right. I proceeded to show him in the manual where it states that the trans fluid should be checked with engine running and trans in park. Question is: If the fluid level is just above the full line (the highest of the two marks on the dipstick) with the engine off and cool, how low is the transmission on fluid? The reason I ask this is that it is very difficult to achieve a clear reading on that dipstick. One side will have something approaching a clear reading, and the other side will have fluid running half way up the stick. I suppose checking the dipstick after adding fluid contributes to this problem, but even when I don't do that, it's still really hard to get a clear reading. Thanks, Brian 87 190D 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts
Re: [MBZ] OT Cars! And loose dogs who chase them
I've owned and loved dogs for 50+ years. Had one in our neighborhood that chased cars and bikes. Did minor scraps to one of the kids. Kids Dad put a rag under his hubcap and drove by. Dog grapped the rag, wrong his neck, problem dog was Fixed Very humane in my Yankee opinion. Pete -- Original message -- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reminds me of this Border Collie on my commute back home from school last year. As any good Border would do, it not only crouched and gave the stare, it laid down and actually had its chin on the ground as it stalked the approaching cars. The most scary thing is that its nose was right at the pavement's edge (with no paved shoulder). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Damage limits (was Re: Inertia reel seatbelts)
In the 70s, three Supreme Court of Canada decisions effectively fixed the maximum pain and suffering damage recovery to $100,000. That figure is indexed to inflation, so today you'd be limited to about $300k. One of the rationale for fixing the amount at the time was that awards in the US were becoming outrageous, and the court wanted to avoid the social burden that the threat of such large awards would cause. Having recently moved to the US from Canada, I can tell you that people here seem obsessed with protecting themselves from liability in a way that is completely unlike anything I experienced in Canada. I can only conclude that potentially large damage awards are an incentive to sue, which in turn requires everyone to obsess about liability, insurance, product labelling, etc. D. At 6:07 PM + 2/28/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:37:25 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seeking inertia reel seatbelts W108/114/115 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Not sure I agree that the law limits what can be awarded in Canada. Part of the issue is that we don't generally have civil jury trials here. We get Judges who are more conservative than juries generally are. The other issue is of course that some jurisdictions, like Manitoba, now have a no fault system so we are not permitted to sue. We get whatever the insurer has decided we will get, if entitled to any compensation. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question
Sort of depends on what you are using the vehicle for etc. I have had a number of each and I guess for the most part if I have to choose I would go with an automatic. I wouldn't mind if my 115 300D was a manual but I am happy that my 02 Supercrew is not. Truck transmissions are generally not as much fun as car manual transmissions. We have the 98 F150 with a manual 5 speed and although it is alright, it is a bit of a pain in traffic. It is only a 4.2 V6 - the manual did not come with a V8 - and it is easy to bog it in 2nd and the step down to low is too far to work smoothly. Our old 4Runner, on the other hand will go way down in higher gears without bogging - a real flat torque curve I guess. It, for a truck, is a more drivable manual transmission. It is, however, a dog in the first couple of gears. Seems fine once moving but slow on takeoff. I have not driven the 2nd gen Runner with an AT but I am told it is even more of a dog. Personal preferences always, but the AT is easy and the older I get, the more I like things that are easy. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question Thanks Jim, and others. Great info. I'll study it a few times to try to remember it all and learn from it. I did, however, think there might be a sort of standard knowledge of how much the difference between the dipstick reading in a warm, running engine and a cold, non-running engine is. I see how things can get a whole lot more complicated, though, after reading the response. I agree totally with whomever exclaimed that they hate ATs. I hate the stuffing out of them to!!! Well, with one exception: The 727 Torqueflite behind my big block Chrysler. That model is known as bulletproof. Never had a problem with one, and I can say that as a foolish youth I have accidentally shifted to reverse at maybe 30 mph. (not that I wouldn't make that mistake today). And I have seen many neutral drop from other idiots (most too young to drive). Brian On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, the whole open area in the transmission will physically only hold about 2 1/2 quarts.? since your leak is probably at the torque converter seal, air is getting in where the oil is leaking out.? This lets the torque converter drain down into the trans case, which it normally doesn't accomplish for some time.? The torque converter holds about 2 1/2 quarts so about half of that could find it's way back to the trans case fairly quickly! Given the above scenario is true, you could actually be aggravating (feeding) the leak by filling the trans to the full mark, which doesn't leave enough space??for the oil to drain down.? The level in the trans case would?get high enough that it leaks out the tq seal, even with the engine off!? Is that the case?? Does the oil continue to drip, long after the engine is shut off? I am sorry to answer your question with more questions, but here is one more.? Have you checked the vacuum line to the transmission modulator for signs of oil?? a cracked modulator diaphragm can let trans fluid get sucked into the engine, agravating your fluid loss. Marshall (RIP) has many times said to never fill in the oil to more than halfway between the add and the full lines.? He was mainly talking about engine oil, but I have seen automatic transmissions, filled to the correct hot level, blow oil out the vent on a hard run up a long hill, or more likely, due to aeration of the fluid, caused by something as simple as a loose filter.? We are, after all, dealing? with a well used transmission, and quirky things can happen. I would start by never adding more than 1/2 quart when the dipstick gets down to the add mark.? Lucas makes an additive for automatics which may swell that leaking seal.?? Try to observe the drip rate with fluid at different levels, with the engine off. Finally, never park with the front of the car down hill! Jim in Phoenx -Original Message- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 5:46 am Subject: [MBZ] ATF Level Question Just checked the ATF earlier this evening on the 87 190D and found once again that the stick is dry. I assure you this pains me. But I'm learning just how often I have to add fluid to the leaky tranny. Heaven forefend the wife would ever check it. And I pulled the dipstick again a few minutes ago with engine off and cooled down. I found that the fluid level is just a bit above the full line. This all makes sense, but it reminded me of when I was dealing with the seller out in California. He, a plastic surgeon (so not a totally stupid man) was so sure that the trans fluid should be checked with the engine off. And when I showed him that the dipstick was dry with engine
Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens
Now Jim, that is a fine example of the welfare state effect on citizens. All cooped up and no need to think, they just go on looking for the hand out, dropping dead once things change. Actually Wilcox is a great operation and nothing like the tyson or purdue farms. I understand there are major changes coming for wilcox and the relationship with costco. I think I read in the paper where it was getting broken up. My hens have to fend for themselves and find ample fodder and water around the yard so that occasional oversight in keeping the feeder and watering stations full are not huge issues. Same theory one would give to one of those little yap dogs or a cat. clay On 27 Feb 2008, at 21:18, Jim Cathey wrote: Store chickens are not happy chickens. They are more like crack whore chickens forced to pop out eggs under duress. My father-in-law was general manager (now retired) at Wilcox Farms, a family-owned crack-hen-whore outfit that supplies milk and eggs to Costco here in WA. I've been on the tour. No duress or force is applied. Spent hens go to Campbell's. One of his favorite stories about how smart chickens are is from once when they were inoculating chickens. Easy way was to move the chicken one cage over as you went down the line. That way you didn't forget where you left off. After they did this the chickens all stopped laying, etc. Turns out they were thirsting to death. Couldn't figure out that the water was now on the other side of the cage. (Two spigots out of a waterer at the corner of every other cage.) They shifted the chickens back over one cage and all was well again. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens
I have found that if the dog will kill a child, it would kill a chicken, so you acclimate them much the same way. Have the dog exposed to the chickens as they grow and it may decide that they are part of his pack as well as chickens figuring the dog is a really ugly rooster. If the dog is a breed meant to shepherd it will do that, if bred to attack, will do that. clay On 28 Feb 2008, at 04:54, Zoltan Finks wrote: I was gonna mention the dog angle. I know that some dogs are chicken killers. I suspect my Dobie might be one. In fact I worry that he might be a cat killer. NO, this is not because he has ever killed a cat. It's because I've read in William Koehler's (spelling of name? too lazy to go look it up) book that most dogs would be put in their place by cats, but some are genuine killers of felines. And I don't see any indication in my Dobie that he is the former. BTW the late Mr. Koehler's solution to a chicken-killing dog is to tie a dead chicken around its neck and leave it there for a few weeks or so. Boy would that never fly today (again with another unintended pun). Brian Tom wrote:They are also incredibly dirty - also from first hand observation - inlaws had a dog. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens
We have a number of breeding pairs of eagle near me. I applaud the occasional missing cat or yap dog. Not so happy with the huge eagle dropping on the roof of the car. A chicken will need the same care one of the small pets would, but are smarter about looking out for danger than dogs or cats. That is why they are chicken. clay On 28 Feb 2008, at 05:04, Zoltan Finks wrote: Thanks, Clay for the info! Also a little tidbit that I hear recently from someone who lives here on the Island: She said that there was a tall evergreen tree that fell over. An eagle's nest was found along with numerous cat collars. We do always have an abundance of missing cat posters up around here. Coyotes may contribute too I suppose. Brian Clay wrote:Coyote, racoon, eagles and other predators love to snag a chicken. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] dinner?
I was able to cure a neighbor dog of his unwanted attention by driving just fast enough for him to get behind me and think he was going to actually catch me. Then I slammed on the brakes. He found he was able to catch me, but not in the manner he intended. From then on, he decided not to bother with cars clay On 28 Feb 2008, at 05:22, Zoltan Finks wrote: Yes, I wonder sometimes what it will take to get our dogs to keep from attempting to pull me out into traffic. Funny how they seem to think that a car is harmless, but they will flinch and get out of the way of everything else. I guess it's their total lack of contact with a moving car. But still we're left with the quandary. How do you teach a dog to fear a car without injuring it or getting sued? I did read in one book that to cure a car-chaser, you have someone lob water balloons out the window at the chaser. Brian On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my mind, a chicken will learn to stay away from cars. Only takes one teachable moment for them to figure it out. clay On 26 Feb 2008, at 20:08, Rich Thomas wrote: I don't know, I figure whacking the thing with a car or a 2x4 is not a lot different, and if I saw it running just before its demise, I know it's fresh. Either me or some guest worker... --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swerved just enough to miss having a fresh chicken dinner. I don't find roadkill all that appealing, somehow. RLE ** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel- campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT LCD Displays
I got a samsung for x-mas. It is a really nice wide 22 that gave me issue on the mac because I was trying to drive it too far out of native resolution. PC Computing gives the samsungs really high reviews and they are inexpensive at the costco. Comes with both the DVI and VGA cable as well as input clay On 28 Feb 2008, at 10:06, Frederick W Moir wrote: Hi, All. My last CRT display died and me and the boss went looking for a new display. Tried Staples, as we were going there for something else, and Joanne's comment was that the LCDs on display seemed to be out of focus. They are not as sharp as my old Dell C610, looked like less depth of field. Does anyone have any valid suggestions for a decent quality 19/20 wide-screen LCD? This range will fit our slim budget. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel content:- Brushed snow off my 190DT's and the 300TD. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Damage limits (was Re: Inertia reel seatbelts)
My recollection is that there were cases from the SCC that gave multimillion dollar settlements based upon the cost of caring for severely injured folks for the rest of their lives. The, then dollar amounts were about 1 to 3 million if I recall which was sufficient to cause many of us to increase our liability coverage. Now that we have no fault insurance I suspect it would be a waste to insure for any great amount if one does not take the vehicle out of the province. Given that I occasionally run into the USA with the vehicles, it seems prudent to maintain coverage beyond the minimum just in case. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Bruckmann Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Damage limits (was Re: Inertia reel seatbelts) In the 70s, three Supreme Court of Canada decisions effectively fixed the maximum pain and suffering damage recovery to $100,000. That figure is indexed to inflation, so today you'd be limited to about $300k. One of the rationale for fixing the amount at the time was that awards in the US were becoming outrageous, and the court wanted to avoid the social burden that the threat of such large awards would cause. Having recently moved to the US from Canada, I can tell you that people here seem obsessed with protecting themselves from liability in a way that is completely unlike anything I experienced in Canada. I can only conclude that potentially large damage awards are an incentive to sue, which in turn requires everyone to obsess about liability, insurance, product labelling, etc. D. At 6:07 PM + 2/28/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:37:25 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seeking inertia reel seatbelts W108/114/115 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Not sure I agree that the law limits what can be awarded in Canada. Part of the issue is that we don't generally have civil jury trials here. We get Judges who are more conservative than juries generally are. The other issue is of course that some jurisdictions, like Manitoba, now have a no fault system so we are not permitted to sue. We get whatever the insurer has decided we will get, if entitled to any compensation. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT LCD Displays
Recent Comsumer Reports mag gave highest marks to Samsung TV if I recall, as well. Sony, in 2nd place. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT LCD Displays I got a samsung for x-mas. It is a really nice wide 22 that gave me issue on the mac because I was trying to drive it too far out of native resolution. PC Computing gives the samsungs really high reviews and they are inexpensive at the costco. Comes with both the DVI and VGA cable as well as input clay On 28 Feb 2008, at 10:06, Frederick W Moir wrote: Hi, All. My last CRT display died and me and the boss went looking for a new display. Tried Staples, as we were going there for something else, and Joanne's comment was that the LCDs on display seemed to be out of focus. They are not as sharp as my old Dell C610, looked like less depth of field. Does anyone have any valid suggestions for a decent quality 19/20 wide-screen LCD? This range will fit our slim budget. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel content:- Brushed snow off my 190DT's and the 300TD. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices hit record high
crap. I remember when it used to cost about 12-14 to fill up my 123 diesel Dave H... wrote: I just paid $3.49 per gallon for diesel here in SCGrr! $64.00 to fill up to 300CD Dave H... -- From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices hit record high Regular down .04 a litre here today. Ed 300E On 28/02/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you seeing any drop in prices today? I hear on the radio that prices in Toronto have gone down about $0.03 this morning and it should happen accross the country shortly. I am holding off here on filling in the hope that they are correct as the price just went up yesterday. I need to fill but am not going to drive much today so will wait til tomorrow and see if it drops back down. It will only make a difference of about $3 on a fill maybe but it is sort of the principle of the thing at this point. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hendrik Fay Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas prices hit record high OPEC is very shy of telling exactly how much they have left, so as to stuff the world around. Also China and other parts of the developing world are starting to use up vast quantities of oil. There may well be oil reserves under the oceans but getting at them will require technology that is still beyond us. I suppose it is in the interest of OPEC to not oversupply, cause once their oil runs out it's back to herding camels in the desert. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 400E (update2)
If they are starting out at 28, chances are they will only come down to 2500, until it still has not sold for a year, then they might come down to 2k Donald Snook wrote: John R. wrote: I think I'm going to pass on it... even if I could negotiate it down to what it should be. The ad has been updated with pics, and I have higher res ones if anyone cares. http://gulfport.craigslist.org/car/587957948.html Have you checked on prices to replace the transmission? What is the Rusty price for a transmission for this car. If you could get them down to $1500-1800 and then put in a Rusty tranny it might be a great car - assuming it wasn't a Katrina victim. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 400E (update2)
i thought you wanted me to buy your 116 or something? John Robbins wrote: Donald Snook wrote: What is the Rusty price for a transmission for this car. If you could get them down to $1500-1800 and then put in a Rusty tranny it might be a great car - assuming it wasn't a Katrina victim. From that thread a while back, I'm presuming that a tranny would cost about $1700-1800 from Rusty (from that long warranty question thread). And for $3600 it starts approaching the point of not good enough of a deal to justify having 4 MBs. There's a $500 '80 SD in Atlanta I'm trying to get also. Someone was in line before me though... hopefully they haven't bought it. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Scooter charger switch
Here's a photo of the rocker switch with scooter icon that I installed in the center console of my '87 300D a few months ago. Switch controls 12V DC to inverter which supplies 120V AC to scooter mfgr's charger which supplies 28V DC to mobility scooter battery in the trunk. Wilton -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Img_1236.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1133765 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080227/1b27ab7b/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W108 mystery switch
Gang, The centre console on my 280SEL (with column shifter) has a fifth switch. It looks exactly like the single rocker switch in the rear door. The extra switch is located between the two rows of double window switches. The car doesn't have a sunroof, and in any case I believe sunroof switches were normally on the dash. Could this be the antenna height switch (the car has an electric antenna, but I doubt it is the original because it isn't a Hirschmann) or is there some other option that I don't even know I have!? D. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: %switches.jpg Type: application/applefile Size: 122 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080227/0d961766/attachment.bin -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: switches.jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 47977 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080227/0d961766/attachment.obj ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 400E (update2)
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: i thought you wanted me to buy your 116 or something? The one in Atlanta only needs a starter or ignition switch. Mine needs an engine swap. If nothing else I could flip the one in Atlanta pretty easily. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W108 mystery switch
Gang, The centre console on my 280SEL (with column shifter) has a fifth switch. It looks exactly like the single rocker switch in the rear door. The extra switch is located between the two rows of double window switches. The car doesn't have a sunroof, and in any case I believe sunroof switches were normally on the dash. Could this be the antenna height switch (the car has an electric antenna, but I doubt it is the original because it isn't a Hirschmann) or is there some other option that I don't even know I have!? D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 mystery switch
From memory, it's the antenna height over-ride. When you first turned the radio on, the original antenna came up until the radio got good reception then it stopped. But the antenna did not self adjust as you were driving and you could manually move the antenna up down as needed. Everyone else just ran the mast all the way up. I'd like to say that this is another example of Mercedes over Engineering. But it's not - it's an example of Becker over Engineering. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Bruckmann Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:23 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] W108 mystery switch Gang, The centre console on my 280SEL (with column shifter) has a fifth switch. It looks exactly like the single rocker switch in the rear door. The extra switch is located between the two rows of double window switches. The car doesn't have a sunroof, and in any case I believe sunroof switches were normally on the dash. Could this be the antenna height switch (the car has an electric antenna, but I doubt it is the original because it isn't a Hirschmann) or is there some other option that I don't even know I have!? D. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: %switches.jpg Type: application/applefile Size: 122 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080227/0d9 61766/attachment.bin -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: switches.jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 47977 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080227/0d9 61766/attachment.obj ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Party on Garth!
Pacer on ebay. Only 35k miles. These are so ugly, they are sort of cool. http://tinyurl.com/3bruez Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage
I changed the timing change at 125K IIRC, or nearly160 K miles ago. On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 9:44 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the chain stretch? I don't know that it can make that much of a difference, but it will make some if it's near the limit. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Party on Garth!
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 04:30:04PM -0600, Donald Snook wrote: Pacer on ebay. Only 35k miles. These are so ugly, they are sort of cool. http://tinyurl.com/3bruez Heh. I have a pacer wagon with a perkins diesel in it. One of these days, I should get it running. Weird thing, for sure. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 126 diesel mileage
I meant timing chain of course... On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I changed the timing change at 125K IIRC, or nearly160 K miles ago. On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 9:44 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the chain stretch? I don't know that it can make that much of a difference, but it will make some if it's near the limit. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
Lincoln?? I must be missing something. On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:04 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same here. A few years ago I would have said that GWB has done more to destroy freedom in this country than any single man since Abraham Lincoln. Now I'd rank him above Abe. Mitch. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Party on Garth!
My mother in law had one when it was new. That sort of caramel color that was sort of popular at that time. They previously had a Gremlin, in the same color. The Gremlin proved to be OK except for having a squeaky suspension as I recall. Not really sure how good the Pacer was. Long time ago. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Party on Garth! Pacer on ebay. Only 35k miles. These are so ugly, they are sort of cool. http://tinyurl.com/3bruez Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
andrew strasfogel wrote: Lincoln?? I must be missing something. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p319_Dickson.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
More of a tenth amendment/states rights issue. Both sides of that war undertook a lot of revisionist history to make the other side seem more evil. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 04:49:35PM -0600, R A Bennell wrote: Ugh, would that be the freedom to own slaves?? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System Lincoln?? I must be missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
Are there still reasonable people (emphasis) who believe the South should won the war to continue the practice of slavery? If so, I would be amazed to find any such on this list. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More of a tenth amendment/states rights issue. Both sides of that war undertook a lot of revisionist history to make the other side seem more evil. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 04:49:35PM -0600, R A Bennell wrote: Ugh, would that be the freedom to own slaves?? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System Lincoln?? I must be missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
Hey Andrew Got a Rebel Flag for the back window in your car? The South shall rise again! Got to be careful here not to offend anyone. Our trusty parts suppliers are in Atanta after all. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System Are there still reasonable people (emphasis) who believe the South should won the war to continue the practice of slavery? If so, I would be amazed to find any such on this list. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More of a tenth amendment/states rights issue. Both sides of that war undertook a lot of revisionist history to make the other side seem more evil. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 04:49:35PM -0600, R A Bennell wrote: Ugh, would that be the freedom to own slaves?? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System Lincoln?? I must be missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
I believe that war was more about tariffs and state's rights. Slavery was an issue used to sell it... probably like our current War on Terror. From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:53:13 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System Are there still reasonable people (emphasis) who believe the South should won the war to continue the practice of slavery? If so, I would be amazed to find any such on this list. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More of a tenth amendment/states rights issue. Both sides of that war undertook a lot of revisionist history to make the other side seem more evil. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 04:49:35PM -0600, R A Bennell wrote: Ugh, would that be the freedom to own slaves?? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System Lincoln?? I must be missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT LCD Displays
They get their panels from the same Sharp factory, and just yesterday was an announcement that all 3 are investing a $bil or 2 to build another panel factory for 40 screens. The quality difference among them is most likely due to video signal processing differences among the various manufacturers. --R R A Bennell wrote: Recent Comsumer Reports mag gave highest marks to Samsung TV if I recall, as well. Sony, in 2nd place. Randy - ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Party on Garth!
I had a female friend back when who had a mint/lime-ish green Gremlin, she called it Lima Bean. --R R A Bennell wrote: My mother in law had one when it was new. That sort of caramel color that was sort of popular at that time. They previously had a Gremlin, in the same color. The Gremlin proved to be OK except for having a squeaky suspension as I recall. Not really sure how good the Pacer was. Long time ago. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
Do wives count as people who believe that? --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Are there still reasonable people (emphasis) who believe the South should won the war to continue the practice of slavery? If so, I would be amazed to find any such on this list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
andrew strasfogel wrote: Are there still reasonable people (emphasis) who believe the South should won the war to continue the practice of slavery? That straw man has all the sophistication of a 2nd grade social studies lesson. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
Depends on whether the wife in question is chattel. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do wives count as people who believe that? --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Are there still reasonable people (emphasis) who believe the South should won the war to continue the practice of slavery? If so, I would be amazed to find any such on this list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
The Civil War was about taxation without representation. Also, the North and the South had slaves during the Civil War. Slavery came into general disuse in the North, not because of human rights, but because the North had become more industrialized and slavery no longer fit. The South still used slavery because the South was mostly agricultural and they needed low cost labor to plant pick the fields. Slavery was abolished after the war but this was not necessarily a good thing for Black Americans in the late 18th century. The South still needed cheap labor to plant pick the fields and Share Cropping was invented to replaced slavery. This was essentially a new form of slavery since the share croppers were tied to the owner's land and the owners crops. But there was one key difference. Instead of being fed housed by the plantation Owner, the share cropper was responsible for his own destiny. This may seem like a positive turn of events but you need to remember that the owner fixed the price that was paid to the share cropper it was rarely enough money to survive on through the year. The result was an even poorer Black American population than before. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System I believe that war was more about tariffs and state's rights. Slavery was an issue used to sell it... probably like our current War on Terror. From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:53:13 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System Are there still reasonable people (emphasis) who believe the South should won the war to continue the practice of slavery? If so, I would be amazed to find any such on this list. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More of a tenth amendment/states rights issue. Both sides of that war undertook a lot of revisionist history to make the other side seem more evil. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 04:49:35PM -0600, R A Bennell wrote: Ugh, would that be the freedom to own slaves?? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System Lincoln?? I must be missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
Yeah, I was misinformed that the Civil War wasn't really about slavery but about commerce. My bad. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Are there still reasonable people (emphasis) who believe the South should won the war to continue the practice of slavery? That straw man has all the sophistication of a 2nd grade social studies lesson. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
Almost forgot to mention the unimportant and irrelevant Emancipation Proclamation but there I go again being naive, moralistic, and judgmental. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:18 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I was misinformed that the Civil War wasn't really about slavery but about commerce. My bad. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Are there still reasonable people (emphasis) who believe the South should won the war to continue the practice of slavery? That straw man has all the sophistication of a 2nd grade social studies lesson. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ABS question again and flushing diffs
Yessum boss I cleaned dem rings good. I am not ruling out voltage problems, at the moment the ABS light is off for the first 5k's or so and then comes on. Perhaps the OVP is having issues, I tried to pull it apart for a resolder but could not figure out how. I have seen pictures of them pulled apart. From my understanding if a sensor is bad then the light will come on after a few meter once speed is above a certain point. Is it possible/advisable to flush the diff with something like ATF or am I best off to just put in new gear oil? Hendrik who needs a can of electrical gremlin spray, which one is recommended or is it better to set gremlin traps around the car Jim Cathey wrote: [perhaps] the rotor in the diff has icky stuff all over it and is not feeding a proper signal. Seems unlikely, given the protected nature of life inside the differential. And oil is no problem, it has to be steel particles in order to cause trouble. That's the nice thing about VR sensors. Far more likely is a bad connection, or a winding that is opening up in the sensor itself. You _sure_ you thoroughly cleaned the tone rings (toothy bits) on the front wheels? I think 90% of sensor trouble is at the front, not at the back. Much more out in harm's way, and two of them as well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
My Brother In-law hangs a rebel flag in the back window of his truck. I've talked to him several times about the flag. I've come to the conclusion that his flag has nothing to do with The South shall rise again, Blacks or slavery. He's just proud to be Southern. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System Hey Andrew Got a Rebel Flag for the back window in your car? The South shall rise again! Got to be careful here not to offend anyone. Our trusty parts suppliers are in Atanta after all. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System Are there still reasonable people (emphasis) who believe the South should won the war to continue the practice of slavery? If so, I would be amazed to find any such on this list. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More of a tenth amendment/states rights issue. Both sides of that war undertook a lot of revisionist history to make the other side seem more evil. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 04:49:35PM -0600, R A Bennell wrote: Ugh, would that be the freedom to own slaves?? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System Lincoln?? I must be missing something. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 2/27/2008 4:34 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
Hey why not? That works for me. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:29 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System My Brother In-law hangs a rebel flag in the back window of his truck. I've talked to him several times about the flag. I've come to the conclusion that his flag has nothing to do with The South shall rise again, Blacks or slavery. He's just proud to be Southern. Thanks, Tom Hargrave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Our Political System
andrew strasfogel wrote: Almost forgot to mention the unimportant and irrelevant Emancipation Proclamation but there I go again being naive, moralistic, and judgmental. When was the last time you read it? There were two main points to it. 1) I hereby declare all slaves to be free in all lands not under my control. 2) If you wish to put those lands under my control by 1-1-1863, you can keep your slaves. I realize that by the time you were eight years old you were expected to be able to parrot Washington was the father of our country...Lincoln freed the slaves, but it wasn't quite that simple. Mary Todd Lincoln was definitely an abolitionist, as were many of Abe's associates, but while he was quite a leftist for his time, slavery did not seem to be a huge driving force in Abe's life. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 uneven heat on acceleration
Yup. Take it off and blow through it in normal flow direction. It should flop wide open, then close completely when you quit. Mine barely leaked past. Battery voltage applied should lock it closed. However, low flow at idle can still be a bad aux pump -- verify that you get power when the key is switched on (and check the temp sensor fan beside the glove box, too -- it's on the same feed). No power, the pushbutton unit won't turn it on as it supplies the ground. You can verify that it's working by the vibration of the rotation by setting the temp wheel to the hot click and push the defrost button -- so long as the engine temp is above 40C, the pump should be on. You can check the Pushbutton unit by unplugging the pump and checking that there is battery voltage across the power pins to the pump under the same conditions. Mine works much better now, still rather cool at idle, but no great rush of heat and I don't freeze sitting at stop lights. Not sure about the aux pump, I'll be checking that out next week as I'm taking a week's vacation to start the spring stuff and the weather should be decent. I also had a bad connection to the engine temp sensor that I re-soldered, but have not verified yet. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bouncy speedo needle and wonky cruise in the 300TE
Bad hall effect pickup, maybe. The bouncing needle, actually, is probably a bad bushing -- I'm going to have to send my speedo off for repair, the more accurate one squeals and bounces, the odo doesn't work in the other one. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] lincoln and Racists was Re: OT: Our Political System
andrew strasfogel wrote: Lincoln?? I must be missing something. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p319_Dickson.html WHOA! Did you actually read that? That may be one of the least disguised racist articles I have ever read about Lincoln. Here are a few quotes from the article. The fact that Lincoln was willing to go that far (opposing slavery) early in his career indicates that he was committed to Negro equality at the inception of his career and was on the far left of contemporary American thought about the Negro and slavery issues. The author indicates that being opposed to slavery was a radical and despicable idea. If you don't believe me read the next line: Americans are prone to read or hear the House Divided Speech with a tingling of the spine, impressed by its dramatic tone. Set in the context of developing regional antagonism, however, the speech seems to be that of an irresponsible demagogue. The Union had existed half slave and half free from its inception. There appears to be no logical reason why it could not have continued to have existed in that fashion. WOW! I can't believe anyone would put that in writing. Lincoln should not have opposed the South's use of slaves? Is that really the message of this article? The author suggests that he could have just left it alone. The south gets slaves and the north doesn't - we can all be one big happy family. AND here is a very interesting take on Lincoln. He was a crazy liberal who did too much to move the country to the LEFT. He properly ought to be considered as a major liberal force, as someone who moved the country toward the left and toward the situation which exists today. THEN, the author criticizes Lincoln because he WON THE CIVIL WAR. He successfully defeated the South. The labors of the South for its freedom were all in vain. Seventy-five percent of the white male population of military age served in the Southern armies but could not overcome the disparity in numbers of the North's mercenaries. If you still don't believe that this author is a NUT JOB, read the next quote: Remember, he is critical of Lincoln and these are the reasons why Lincoln is a terrible president and terrible leader. The cherished dream of Southern independence was not to be. The CHERISHED Dream of the SOUTH? What dream is that ? The dream to keep slaves? The dream to be an independent country without the North. Rather than convincing me that Lincoln was a bad president, this article has convinced me that Lincoln must have had guts of steel. If it were me and people like this guy wanted to form another country, I might have said - okay - I probably would have shown him the door and paid his way. I think this is the opposite of how most critics of Lincoln view him. That he was too far right. He was too autocratic and took too much power and took the country to the RIGHT not the left. His suspension of the writ of habeas corpus during the war is not a LIBERAL thing to do. I can understand some criticisms of Lincoln. But, this article ought to have a link to the KKK recruitment chapter. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question
Sure. Makes sense. I am talking about the longevity and lack of problems maintenance worries associated with a manual. brian On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sort of depends on what you are using the vehicle for etc. I have had a number of each and I guess for the most part if I have to choose I would go with an automatic. I wouldn't mind if my 115 300D was a manual but I am happy that my 02 Supercrew is not. Truck transmissions are generally not as much fun as car manual transmissions. We have the 98 F150 with a manual 5 speed and although it is alright, it is a bit of a pain in traffic. It is only a 4.2 V6 - the manual did not come with a V8 - and it is easy to bog it in 2nd and the step down to low is too far to work smoothly. Our old 4Runner, on the other hand will go way down in higher gears without bogging - a real flat torque curve I guess. It, for a truck, is a more drivable manual transmission. It is, however, a dog in the first couple of gears. Seems fine once moving but slow on takeoff. I have not driven the 2nd gen Runner with an AT but I am told it is even more of a dog. Personal preferences always, but the AT is easy and the older I get, the more I like things that are easy. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ATF Level Question Thanks Jim, and others. Great info. I'll study it a few times to try to remember it all and learn from it. I did, however, think there might be a sort of standard knowledge of how much the difference between the dipstick reading in a warm, running engine and a cold, non-running engine is. I see how things can get a whole lot more complicated, though, after reading the response. I agree totally with whomever exclaimed that they hate ATs. I hate the stuffing out of them to!!! Well, with one exception: The 727 Torqueflite behind my big block Chrysler. That model is known as bulletproof. Never had a problem with one, and I can say that as a foolish youth I have accidentally shifted to reverse at maybe 30 mph. (not that I wouldn't make that mistake today). And I have seen many neutral drop from other idiots (most too young to drive). Brian On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, the whole open area in the transmission will physically only hold about 2 1/2 quarts.? since your leak is probably at the torque converter seal, air is getting in where the oil is leaking out.? This lets the torque converter drain down into the trans case, which it normally doesn't accomplish for some time.? The torque converter holds about 2 1/2 quarts so about half of that could find it's way back to the trans case fairly quickly! Given the above scenario is true, you could actually be aggravating (feeding) the leak by filling the trans to the full mark, which doesn't leave enough space??for the oil to drain down.? The level in the trans case would?get high enough that it leaks out the tq seal, even with the engine off!? Is that the case?? Does the oil continue to drip, long after the engine is shut off? I am sorry to answer your question with more questions, but here is one more.? Have you checked the vacuum line to the transmission modulator for signs of oil?? a cracked modulator diaphragm can let trans fluid get sucked into the engine, agravating your fluid loss. Marshall (RIP) has many times said to never fill in the oil to more than halfway between the add and the full lines.? He was mainly talking about engine oil, but I have seen automatic transmissions, filled to the correct hot level, blow oil out the vent on a hard run up a long hill, or more likely, due to aeration of the fluid, caused by something as simple as a loose filter.? We are, after all, dealing? with a well used transmission, and quirky things can happen. I would start by never adding more than 1/2 quart when the dipstick gets down to the add mark.? Lucas makes an additive for automatics which may swell that leaking seal.?? Try to observe the drip rate with fluid at different levels, with the engine off. Finally, never park with the front of the car down hill! Jim in Phoenx -Original Message- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 5:46 am Subject: [MBZ] ATF Level Question Just checked the ATF earlier this evening on the 87 190D and found once again that the stick is dry. I assure you this pains me. But I'm learning just how often I have to add fluid to the leaky tranny. Heaven forefend the wife would ever check it. And I pulled the dipstick again a few minutes ago with engine off and cooled down. I found that the fluid level is just a bit above
[MBZ] Sam Dickson
Sam Dickson was the author of the article about Lincoln. I found out a little bit more about him. He is a member of the KKK. He was their lawyer. He is a member of several white supremacist groups. He ran for governor on a segregation platform. He is a supporter of David Duke and a friend. He is a frequent contributor to Storm Front a white nationalist KKK organization. He is a nut. I would think if he is critical of somebody that would be an endorsement for that person. I am a conservative republican and this guy makes me sick. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ABS question again
Drain the diff (when did you change the fluid last?) and remove the rear cover. Get a new gasket, too. If the sensor gets loaded up with metal dust, it can fail to count the teeth. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gas prices hit record high
It's been $3.599 here for the last two weeks. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wood key tops
Here are photos of black walnut key top I made coupla months ago. Wilton -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Img_1281.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 135848 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080228/cd04b154/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Img_1282.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 137262 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080228/cd04b154/attachment-0001.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Img_1267.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 248006 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080228/cd04b154/attachment-0002.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sam Dickson
Donald Snook wrote: Sam Dickson was the author of the article about Lincoln. I found out a little bit more about him. He is a member of the KKK. He was their lawyer. OK, I should be more careful about what I find in a Google search. What about the Journal of Historical Review where it was supposedly published originally? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ok this is a strange auction
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-sedan-71-mercedes-benz-3-5-300-series_W0QQitemZ320221910935QQihZ011QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Chickens
Gosh, I hope that a chicken killer or a cat killer would not automatically be a child killer. And I'm glad you mentioned breeding rather than training. I hear too much of the assertion that a dog is what you make him. Another thing to consider along with a dog's breeding are the individual variations in personality among dogs. You can have a strict breeding program, and even so, the individual dogs have different tendencies. This is why I evaluate each dog without too many presuppositions. A good herding-type dog can still be a killer of its flock animals. Brian On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have found that if the dog will kill a child, it would kill a chicken, so you acclimate them much the same way. Have the dog exposed to the chickens as they grow and it may decide that they are part of his pack as well as chickens figuring the dog is a really ugly rooster. If the dog is a breed meant to shepherd it will do that, if bred to attack, will do that. clay On 28 Feb 2008, at 04:54, Zoltan Finks wrote: I was gonna mention the dog angle. I know that some dogs are chicken killers. I suspect my Dobie might be one. In fact I worry that he might be a cat killer. NO, this is not because he has ever killed a cat. It's because I've read in William Koehler's (spelling of name? too lazy to go look it up) book that most dogs would be put in their place by cats, but some are genuine killers of felines. And I don't see any indication in my Dobie that he is the former. BTW the late Mr. Koehler's solution to a chicken-killing dog is to tie a dead chicken around its neck and leave it there for a few weeks or so. Boy would that never fly today (again with another unintended pun). Brian Tom wrote:They are also incredibly dirty - also from first hand observation - inlaws had a dog. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wood key tops
Wilton, You do great work. Clocks and keys and what else?? Congratulations Take care, Chuck On Feb 28, 2008, at 5:24 PM, wilton strickland wrote: Here are photos of black walnut key top I made coupla months ago. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
