Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access
Another mild disappointment with what is supposed to be impeccable engineering. Engine oil is fed into the passenger compartment. Then again perhaps this is why the oil gauges on MBs seem to always work as opposed to electronic ones? Brian On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Grin* The first time I had the dash pod out of my 240D I had covered the line with a balloon. It was cold out so I decided to start the car and run the heat... It wasn't long before I had a balloon FULL of black diesel oil... Chineese fire drill to shut the car off. Managed to not get oil everywhere but it did make a mess and ruin a pair of pants. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville
A friend has a 93 Pontiac Bonneville. This vehicle's challenge is electrical. There is a constant clicking noise (sounds like a relay) coming form near the glove box area. If one tries to start the vehicle the glove box light flashes bright and dim in synchronization with the clicking noise yet the vehicle makes no attempt to start at all. He said he started having battery problems about two weeks ago. lat week he and I trickle charged his old battery cleaned the posts and replaced the negative battery bolt (side mounted connections) Today I just put his new battery, purchased two days ago, on my tester and found that it had only (I think) 2.8 Amps and 3.4 Volts. The new battery is now on trickle charge for the night. Any ideas where we should start looking tomorrow? Dave H... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: 93 Pontiac Bonneville
We are involved, via a friend, with a 93 Pontiac Bonneville. This car's challenge is a clicking noise relay sounding coming from inside the glove box area constantly. If one tires to start the vehicle the clicking noise continues accompanied by the glove box light synchronizing to the clicking noise. I just brought his brand new, two day old, battery to my house for a trickle charge. At testing it was down to 2.3 Amps and 3.4 Volts. Any ideas? Dave H... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Fw: fair is fair
From: Rocky Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:43 PM To: Matt Segall ; Dave Bruce ; David Hemsley ; Silvia Serbu ; Jim Mattos ; Nancy Richard Black ; Robbin A. Pace ; Eileen Miller Subject: Fw: fair - Original Message - From: Phil Wells To: Les Mayes Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: fair Subject: Pretty funny no matter what your political inclination Father - Daughter Talk A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a liberal Democrat, and accordingly, was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth. She was quite concerned that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the university lectures in which she had participated, and the late nite discussions with her friends, and the occasional chat with a professor (not to mention watching and listening to the mainstream media) she felt that her father had for years harbored a selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self - professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors, her friends and the media had to be the truth ... and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather sternly that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying (and had a part time job) which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She expressed she had a boy friend, but said he was as busy was she. Her father listened and then asked, How is your friend Audrey doing? She replied, Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over. Her father asked his daughter, Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA. The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off! Her father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, Welcome to the Republican Party. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120459389654809159.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries The World Has Plenty of Oil By *NANSEN G. SALERI* March 4, 2008; Page A17 Many energy analysts view the ongoing waltz of crude prices with the mystical $100 mark -- notwithstanding the dollar's anemia -- as another sign of the beginning of the end for the oil era. [A]t the furthest out, it will be a crisis in 2008 to 2012, declares Matthew Simmons, the most vocal voice among the neo-peak-oil club. Tempering this pessimism only slightly is the viewpoint gaining ground among many industry leaders, who argue that daily production by 2030 of 100 million barrels will be difficult. In fact, we are nowhere close to reaching a peak in global oil supplies. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville
Sounds like you need more than a trickle charger. You are going to have to charge the battery with a real charger, or fix the electricity leak and jump start it if he drives the car enough to charge it on the road. I had a similar problem with my '95 Taurus last year. Found out it was drawing .3 to .4 amps through the fuse for the power seats and power/keyless locks with the ignition off. I pulled the fuse, jumped the car, and all was well. The problem was intermittent so I didn't waste any time trying to trace it. A few months ago I wanted to move the seats so I put the fuse back in. Haven't had any trouble since, but if I do the fuse is coming back out. It's nice to have remote locks again, I'll probably put a remote on the 190E this summer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
That's funny, my brother the geologist couldn't get a job doing oil exploration -- very little more to be found, it seems. I don't know where this guy gets is data, but none of the major oil companies has more proven reserve oil now than it did a couple years ago, and in many cases much less, and they are pumping far faster than they are finding new oil. The price is mostly due to US screwing around. I suspect the goons in the White House are doing this deliberatly, but that's only my opinion. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access
I fail to see why this is an example of less than perfect engineering... The gauge works and you can trust it, unlike an electronic gauge which has like 6 things in line to fail... Just because something allows you to be stupid doesn't mean its not good engineering. A hydralic quick disconnect there would be awesome but would have added a lot of cost without a lot of benefit. -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:09:24 -0800 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Another mild disappointment with what is supposed to be impeccable engineering. Engine oil is fed into the passenger compartment. Then again perhaps this is why the oil gauges on MBs seem to always work as opposed to electronic ones? Brian On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Grin* The first time I had the dash pod out of my 240D I had covered the line with a balloon. It was cold out so I decided to start the car and run the heat... It wasn't long before I had a balloon FULL of black diesel oil... Chineese fire drill to shut the car off. Managed to not get oil everywhere but it did make a mess and ruin a pair of pants. -Curt - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
I kinda get that feeling too. it's very suspicious that oil can go up ten fold in price because we suddenly realized that there is china and india. i wouldn't put past the current crew to bankrupt millions and destroy the economy so a few billionaire oil buddies can become multi-billionaire. On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's funny, my brother the geologist couldn't get a job doing oil exploration -- very little more to be found, it seems. I don't know where this guy gets is data, but none of the major oil companies has more proven reserve oil now than it did a couple years ago, and in many cases much less, and they are pumping far faster than they are finding new oil. The price is mostly due to US screwing around. I suspect the goons in the White House are doing this deliberatly, but that's only my opinion. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I kinda get that feeling too. it's very suspicious that oil can go up ten fold in price because we suddenly realized that there is china and india. Well they are suddenly (relatively speaking) using a lot more oil than they used to. i wouldn't put past the current crew to bankrupt millions and destroy the economy so a few billionaire oil buddies can become multi-billionaire. Oil companies are publically traded corporations. Owned mostly by institutional investors like pension funds, as well as 401Ks and IRAs. The people benefiting from the current windfall in oil profits are seasoned citizens who are invested in energy funds. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
Oil companies are publically traded corporations. Owned mostly by institutional investors like pension funds, as well as 401Ks and IRAs. The people benefiting from the current windfall in oil profits are seasoned citizens who are invested in energy funds. I blame futures trading more for unexpected weird price shifts. All that is is gambling, unfortunately it is not on the side. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville
Any ideas where we should start looking tomorrow? You've either got a steady electrical leak, or the car's charging is not working at all. Measure voltage on battery when car is running. Measure current draw of car (from battery) when it's completely off. (Put ammeter on battery post center and the clamp, then lift the clamp off while maintaining both connections. Take reading, drop clamp back onto post.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
He needs to move to Houston. Paper had an article the other day, kids out of college with petro engrg degrees are starting close to $100k/yr. They are exploring, taking looks at old wells again, all kinds of things. Once Ooogo (or his peeps) realizes (that is a big once) what a mess he has made of his industry, there will plenty of jobs there too. $100/bbl opens up all kinds of possibilities. --R Peter Frederick wrote: That's funny, my brother the geologist couldn't get a job doing oil exploration -- very little more to be found, it seems. I don't know where this guy gets is data, but none of the major oil companies has more proven reserve oil now than it did a couple years ago, and in many cases much less, and they are pumping far faster than they are finding new oil. The price is mostly due to US screwing around. I suspect the goons in the White House are doing this deliberatly, but that's only my opinion. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access
Mechanical gauges CAN fail, but it's much less likely. Even a simple electric gauge is less reliable, as I've had to replace the sending unit on the 300D. All the old cars, with mechanical gauges, still work great. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question on Mercedes safety features
Kevin Kraly wrote: I have a friend who's interested in buying a newer Mercedes Diesel that has driver and passenger air bags. My question is what year and which chassis's were these options first available. Her budget is $10K max. I know that the W140's and W210's have them, but I'm not sure about W124's and the later W126's. The W124 has a drivers airbag standard I think (both my 87 and 92 have them). My 92 has a passenger air bag as well. I think it was an option in the early 90's. I'm not sure when side air bags came into the picture, but it wasn't the W124. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access
Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mechanical gauges CAN fail, but it's much less likely. Even a simple electric gauge is less reliable, as I've had to replace the sending unit on the 300D. All the old cars, with mechanical gauges, still work great. Is there any limit (within the length of the car) on how long the capillary tube can be? I am thinking of installing an oil pressure gauge on my Vanagon (rear-engine) and typically people do an electrical sender at the engine wired to a gauge in the dash, but would it work to run a pressure tube all the way up to the front for a mechanical gauge? Using brake line, perhaps? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fw: fair is fair
Oh I apologize. I thought I had sent this to the Banned list. Dave H... -- From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: Fw: fair is fair From: Rocky Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:43 PM To: Matt Segall ; Dave Bruce ; David Hemsley ; Silvia Serbu ; Jim Mattos ; Nancy Richard Black ; Robbin A. Pace ; Eileen Miller Subject: Fw: fair - Original Message - From: Phil Wells To: Les Mayes Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: fair Subject: Pretty funny no matter what your political inclination Father - Daughter Talk A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a liberal Democrat, and accordingly, was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth. She was quite concerned that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the university lectures in which she had participated, and the late nite discussions with her friends, and the occasional chat with a professor (not to mention watching and listening to the mainstream media) she felt that her father had for years harbored a selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self - professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors, her friends and the media had to be the truth ... and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather sternly that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying (and had a part time job) which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She expressed she had a boy friend, but said he was as busy was she. Her father listened and then asked, How is your friend Audrey doing? She replied, Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over. Her father asked his daughter, Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA. The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off! Her father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, Welcome to the Republican Party. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access
Mechanical gauges CAN fail, but it's much less likely. Even a simple electric gauge is less reliable, as I've had to replace the sending unit on the 300D. All the old cars, with mechanical gauges, still work great. Until the Bourdon tube cracks. I've replaced several mechanical gauges. Messy, too. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
$100/bbl opens up all kinds of possibilities. A cynic might think that that's exactly what the industry wants/needs/has created for itself. In the full article, the authour himself states that these high prices will help to mask inefficient drilling practices. He talks about new technologies being able to get 2/3 of the oil underground extracted instead of the 1/3 they tend to get now. Nice! I'm all for technology and efficiency! Now how about some of that for US cars, homes and businesses?? BTW, the authour of this OPINION article in the WSJ, is Manager, Reservoir Management at Saudi Aramcothink he has a vested interest? It's his opinion...this isn't factbig difference. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
Have you checked the timing? We had one that did a similar thing at the dealership. It took hours to find out that a locating pin on the left bank cam sprocket had sheared and was freewheeling. Have you tried bypassing the ignition switch or exchanging it? Auto trans? Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access
Allan Streib wrote: I am thinking of installing an oil pressure gauge on my Vanagon (rear-engine) and typically people do an electrical sender at the engine wired to a gauge in the dash, but would it work to run a pressure tube all the way up to the front for a mechanical gauge? Using brake line, perhaps? Use the electrical one... that is a lot of tubing to have to worry about breaking/leaking. So what if you have to replace a pressure sender every 10 years. My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
1995 pickup, V6. It starts quickly, then dies when the switch returns to the run position. I can even increase RPMs while the starter is engaged. I can remember the old days when while cranking, the coil got 12 volts, then ran with 6 volts. Do these new fangled chines do that? Any ideas? TIA Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access
Is there any limit (within the length of the car) on how long the capillary tube can be? No. But I'd rather have a slightly less reliable gauge than a slightly less reliable pressurized oil system! That's a lot of exposed tube. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
A 95 Toyota won't have a chip in the key. I wonder about the ignition switch itself. If it does not make contact when the cylinder revolves back to run, then it would kill the engine wouldn't it? - Or if it makes contact in the wrong way? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1995 pickup, V6. It starts quickly, then dies when the switch returns to the run position. I can even increase RPMs while the starter is engaged. I can remember the old days when while cranking, the coil got 12 volts, then ran with 6 volts. Do these new fangled chines do that? By chance does it have a theft protection system that requires a RFID chip in the key, and you are using a duplicate key? This is exactly what our '01 Caravan did when you started it with a duplicate key that did not have the RFID. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
I removed the radiator, which was filled (again) with rather dirty-looking coolant. I guess it's getting a flush after all. I'll be sure to do this a few times until it runs clear. (Though dark like oil, there's no oily film. I think it's just ancient grungy coolant. I'm glad I didn't put in the G-05 yet.) I removed the fan to allow easy access to the front crank bolt. I then removed the air box, which exposes the side of the IP. I pulled the IP's timing (RIV) plug cover and then rolled the engine over to 15 degrees ATDC, then probed in the hole with a framing nail for the timing ear. Not there! I rolled the engine a bit more until the ear swung into position, and measured (roughly) the timing at about 25 degrees ATDC. Hello retarded timing! Obviously this thing jumped time during reassembly, and it's sure not running right. I guess I get to pull the IP back off and try again. Next time I'll check the timing better before reassembling everything. Even without using the official timing tools I think I can get the pump set to 15 degrees ATDC just by equalizing the angle the framing nail makes when wedged against the sides of the access bore and the timing ear inside the pump. I bet I get awfully close! (And I'll try to err on the side of advanced.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
Yep, it is an opinion piece. The guy is probably a lot more knowledgeable than a lot of other opiners (90%? of them? or is that number too low what with all the vastly knowledgeable and experienced politicians weighing in right now) but you read it and take it for what it is worth. There is a lot of work going on now to go back to old wells and recover the stuff that wasn't easy when they were new. Saw another article about a guy in Pennsylvania who is doing that, making a nice little profit but early on he was barely getting by. But that's the all bidness fer ya! A few years ago I went to this nice car show that is held every year down at Clear Lake, south of Houston. I was sitting for a few minutes, sat down next to this couple who had a couple of old cars there. They were maybe early 40s. Some guy they knew came by and they were chatting, she said they had to sell the DC-3 and a couple other planes, and some of their cars, and she really hated that, but things would be picking up and they could make enough to buy some others, and that would be OK. The guy said, Well, that's the all bidness and she said, You got that right! and laughed. --R Jeff Zedic wrote: $100/bbl opens up all kinds of possibilities. A cynic might think that that's exactly what the industry wants/needs/has created for itself. In the full article, the authour himself states that these high prices will help to mask inefficient drilling practices. He talks about new technologies being able to get 2/3 of the oil underground extracted instead of the 1/3 they tend to get now. Nice! I'm all for technology and efficiency! Now how about some of that for US cars, homes and businesses?? BTW, the authour of this OPINION article in the WSJ, is Manager, Reservoir Management at Saudi Aramcothink he has a vested interest? It's his opinion...this isn't factbig difference. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
Jeff Zedic wrote: He talks about new technologies being able to get 2/3 of the oil underground extracted instead of the 1/3 they tend to get now. Nice! What I don't like are energy intensive technologies in which you burn 4 barrels to extract 5 out of the ground, netting one barrel. 50 years from now we'll wish that stuff was still in the ground. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1995 pickup, V6. It starts quickly, then dies when the switch returns to the run position. I can even increase RPMs while the starter is engaged. I can remember the old days when while cranking, the coil got 12 volts, then ran with 6 volts. Do these new fangled chines do that? By chance does it have a theft protection system that requires a RFID chip in the key, and you are using a duplicate key? This is exactly what our '01 Caravan did when you started it with a duplicate key that did not have the RFID. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Jim Cathey wrote: I think that's just a VR sensor screwed into the hole in the IP. And some electronics, of course. Hall effect requires a magnet to swing by, which the prong on the IP's shaft is not. VR is not so picky, but requires the thing to be moving at a good clip. The AB box is just feelers, I think. Never seen one up close. You're right about the AB box. IMO, not spiffy enough to warrant its price... I still have one though. What else can you do? The cable with the VR sensor on it costs $800. That doesn't include all of the MB electronics... I imagine you could rig something from an ABS sensor on the cheap though ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a lot of work going on now to go back to old wells and recover the stuff that wasn't easy when they were new. Saw another article about a guy in Pennsylvania who is doing that, making a nice little profit but early on he was barely getting by. But that's the all bidness fer ya! As I recall, the dear departed Dr. Booth had some kind of interest or ownership in some oil wells. Wonder if this is how he got his contacts inside Mobil and gained a lot of inside info on Mobil 1 oil. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville (Dave H...)
Dave H. wrote: A friend has a 93 Pontiac Bonneville. This vehicle's challenge is electrical. There is a constant clicking noise (sounds like a relay) coming form near the glove box area. If one tries to start the vehicle the glove box light flashes bright and dim in synchronization with the clicking noise yet the vehicle makes no attempt to start at all. Dave, I bet I can tell you problem exactly. This is a common problem on these cars. Look at the positive battery cable. There is a metal washer/spacer in the cable where it connects to the battery's side post. Replace that spacer and get the battery charged (by running the car) and I bet your friend's problem will be fixed. That little spacer corrodes and causes so many problems on these cars. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fw: fair is fair
I can't believe I'm even thinking this but Could at least a little of the blatant liberal baiting/bashing tone down at least a bit? Hows that for the kid glove approach? I'm pretty moderate and I'm just tired of it... I'm pretty much totally burnt out of the whole campaign. I've gotten to the point where I'd pay $50 to put a trained chimp into every elected office and be done with it. Maybe $100 -Curt Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:22:11 -0500 From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT: Fw: fair is fair To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
I recall that, I think he inherited an interest in some wells in Oklahoma or Texas, at the time it was discussed the electricity to run the pumps cost about what they could get out of the (old) wells so they did not pump them. That is probably different now! --R Allan Streib wrote: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a lot of work going on now to go back to old wells and recover the stuff that wasn't easy when they were new. Saw another article about a guy in Pennsylvania who is doing that, making a nice little profit but early on he was barely getting by. But that's the all bidness fer ya! As I recall, the dear departed Dr. Booth had some kind of interest or ownership in some oil wells. Wonder if this is how he got his contacts inside Mobil and gained a lot of inside info on Mobil 1 oil. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville
You know I was wondering just the other day, with all the electric gadgets in cars now, like the lights that stay on when you get out, are the batteries getting bigger? I haven't really checked out the battery size on anything newer than a '99 Chevy Tracker and that came with a pitifully small thing. Dad and I put in a much larger unit which cured some cold start issues he'd had that the dealer was unable or unwilling to fix. The battery tray was plenty big enough... The dealer gave Dad something to make good on our buying the larger battery, I seem to remember it being 4 free oil changes or something of that sort. The battery wasn't expensive, $40 or so, Dad figured it was a good deal. Anyway, I'd read some time ago some automakers were considering going to 24v as amps were getting precious. If I were still driving a w123 car with nowhere to plug in I'd probably have rigged up 24v to the starter by now. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:10:56 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like you need more than a trickle charger. You are going to have to charge the battery with a real charger, or fix the electricity leak and jump start it if he drives the car enough to charge it on the road. I had a similar problem with my '95 Taurus last year. Found out it was drawing .3 to .4 amps through the fuse for the power seats and power/keyless locks with the ignition off. I pulled the fuse, jumped the car, and all was well. The problem was intermittent so I didn't waste any time trying to trace it. A few months ago I wanted to move the seats so I put the fuse back in. Haven't had any trouble since, but if I do the fuse is coming back out. It's nice to have remote locks again, I'll probably put a remote on the 190E this summer. Mitch. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: 82 datsun nissan maxima - $300 (leasburg mo)]
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody needs to buy this and swap the motor into a 240Z. Didn't the guy who wrote From The Fryer To The Fuel Tank do that? A 240DZ, 260DZ or 280DZ would be nice. I wonder how that engine would hold up to a 617 or 603? Good question. I just did a quick Google search and couldn't come up with any specs. For what it's worth, I remember that it was a non-turbo straight six (which is why it is an easy swap into a Z-car---same mounts as the gas six). My W.A.G. is roughly equivalent power to a normally aspirated 617 but maybe a little more torque. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 7:57 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Streib wrote: I am thinking of installing an oil pressure gauge on my Vanagon (rear-engine) and typically people do an electrical sender at the engine wired to a gauge in the dash, but would it work to run a pressure tube all the way up to the front for a mechanical gauge? Using brake line, perhaps? Use the electrical one... that is a lot of tubing to have to worry about breaking/leaking. It's a Vanagon... he's used to things breaking and leaking! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
In a message dated 3/4/2008 9:00:30 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1995 pickup, V6. It starts quickly, then dies when the switch returns to the run position. I can even increase RPMs while the starter is engaged. I can remember the old days when while cranking, the coil got 12 volts, then ran with 6 volts. Do these new fangled chines do that? Harry, You are correct, suh! There used to be an extra contact on GM solenoids that put 12 volts directly to the coil for easier starting. Not necessary any more with electronic ignitions. HOWEVER: there is a fuel pump relay that would normally get it's signal from the engine computer management, and if the ECM does not see that the engine is turning over, it shuts off after a 2 second priming period. You could put 12 volts directly to the fuel pump( I think there is a test point on the under hood service jack where you can read fuel pump voltage directly) and see if the engine remains running. I have not done this, but I think you can put power to the fuel pump via the very same test point. A new crank position sensor would be the fix. If it is not the wires--see next paragraph. Seems to me there was a service bulletin on that era Toyota which said that the wiring harness was designed a little snug and that engine motion would cause wire breakage, especially with weak motor mounts. Might it be as soon as the engine catches, it tilts over a little, causing the broken wire to separate? Open the hood and watch for engine movement while starting the car. You might even brace it with a piece of wood. Or if there was one of those cheap anti theft systems installed (dealer rip off) it might be interrupting the engine ignition. I like the first scenario best! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 153 K miles **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
Let me add some info, I wasn't expecting such a good response, thanks. I was flushing the cooling system and had both radiator hoses, both heater hoses and the thermostat out to do the flushing. It started getting hot on a short trip, so I added some coolant and headed home. It started again, so I opened my heater valve (manual) to add another radiator and while the temp needle climbed, the heater blew cold. I did not suspect the thermostat, but tested it on the stove while it was out and it did well. Of course during flushing with a garden hose, through the heater core both ways, radiator both ways, etc, etc, everything got wet. Are there any clues in that story? I'll start checking what you guys suggested and check back here shortly. Thanks Harry On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/4/2008 9:00:30 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1995 pickup, V6. It starts quickly, then dies when the switch returns to the run position. I can even increase RPMs while the starter is engaged. I can remember the old days when while cranking, the coil got 12 volts, then ran with 6 volts. Do these new fangled chines do that? Harry, You are correct, suh! There used to be an extra contact on GM solenoids that put 12 volts directly to the coil for easier starting. Not necessary any more with electronic ignitions. HOWEVER: there is a fuel pump relay that would normally get it's signal from the engine computer management, and if the ECM does not see that the engine is turning over, it shuts off after a 2 second priming period. You could put 12 volts directly to the fuel pump( I think there is a test point on the under hood service jack where you can read fuel pump voltage directly) and see if the engine remains running. I have not done this, but I think you can put power to the fuel pump via the very same test point. A new crank position sensor would be the fix. If it is not the wires--see next paragraph. Seems to me there was a service bulletin on that era Toyota which said that the wiring harness was designed a little snug and that engine motion would cause wire breakage, especially with weak motor mounts. Might it be as soon as the engine catches, it tilts over a little, causing the broken wire to separate? Open the hood and watch for engine movement while starting the car. You might even brace it with a piece of wood. Or if there was one of those cheap anti theft systems installed (dealer rip off) it might be interrupting the engine ignition. I like the first scenario best! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 153 K miles **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
I'd love to believe that, I really would but he's turning a major blind eye to, well reality really... We're gluttons and as long as oil lasts we'll belly up to that feel trough and stuff ourselves silly. We've proven that again and again. We will not seriously develop alternatives until we absolutely have no other choice. Unless some magic substance arrives (dylithium crystals?) every move to increased methods of extraction and use of alternative oil sources will be matched by increased use... Unfortunately we're fighting our own nature here. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:10:20 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120459389654809159.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries The World Has Plenty of Oil - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
Curt Raymond wrote: We're gluttons and as long as oil lasts we'll belly up to that feel trough and stuff ourselves silly. We've proven that again and again. We will not seriously develop alternatives until we absolutely have no other choice. Unless some magic substance arrives (dylithium crystals?) every move to increased methods of extraction and use of alternative oil sources will be matched by increased use... Unfortunately we're fighting our own nature here. Its not like one day all the oil wells will dry up... it is a gradual process. I agree with you in that as oil gets more expensive, more expensive refining techniques become useful, but that doesn't make the oil cheaper. It just feeds our current addiction. However, the more expensive oil gets the more alternative energy sources become available. When oil is $50 a barrel who cares about solar, wind, nuclear, etc. When its $150 a barrel a lot of people will. As more research money is put into the alternatives sources (because people are now willing to buy it) new techniques to reduce cost, improve performance, etc will start to appear and make the alternative sources an even better alternative. Basically, when something comes up that is cheaper than oil we'll be all over it. We're finally starting to get to the point where different energy sources are cheaper than oil. I'm not saying we'll ever stop using oil, but every little bit counts at this point. Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
Frequently in our big trucks, when a driver complains of the truck overheating and no heat, he is 2-3 gallons low on coolant. This is a system that holds about 11 gallons. The heater core is sometimes one of the higher or highest in the cooling system, and will sometimes be the last to receive coolant. Make sure you have the system bled completely. Luther On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:02:14 -0600, Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me add some info, I wasn't expecting such a good response, thanks. I was flushing the cooling system and had both radiator hoses, both heater hoses and the thermostat out to do the flushing. It started getting hot on a short trip, so I added some coolant and headed home. It started again, so I opened my heater valve (manual) to add another radiator and while the temp needle climbed, the heater blew cold. I did not suspect the thermostat, but tested it on the stove while it was out and it did well. Of course during flushing with a garden hose, through the heater core both ways, radiator both ways, etc, etc, everything got wet. Are there any clues in that story? I'll start checking what you guys suggested and check back here shortly. Thanks Harry -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frequently in our big trucks, when a driver complains of the truck overheating and no heat, he is 2-3 gallons low on coolant. This is a system that holds about 11 gallons. The heater core is sometimes one of the higher or highest in the cooling system, and will sometimes be the last to receive coolant. Make sure you have the system bled completely. That was my thought too... maybe this is a system like the one on 124s where it's hard to get the last little bit of coolant in until you've driven the car around a bit, burped it repeatedly, filled from multiple entry points, etc. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for reliability or ease of maintenance, and that overheating it is generally an expensive proposition. Any chance something got hooked up backwards? On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:02:14AM -0600, Harry Watkins wrote: Let me add some info, I wasn't expecting such a good response, thanks. I was flushing the cooling system and had both radiator hoses, both heater hoses and the thermostat out to do the flushing. It started getting hot on a short trip, so I added some coolant and headed home. It started again, so I opened my heater valve (manual) to add another radiator and while the temp needle climbed, the heater blew cold. I did not suspect the thermostat, but tested it on the stove while it was out and it did well. Of course during flushing with a garden hose, through the heater core both ways, radiator both ways, etc, etc, everything got wet. Are there any clues in that story? I'll start checking what you guys suggested and check back here shortly. Thanks Harry On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/4/2008 9:00:30 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1995 pickup, V6. It starts quickly, then dies when the switch returns to the run position. I can even increase RPMs while the starter is engaged. I can remember the old days when while cranking, the coil got 12 volts, then ran with 6 volts. Do these new fangled chines do that? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for reliability or ease of maintenance, Right, those are the ones with the notorious head gasket problem (which Toyota, to give them some credit, is apparently really good about fixing even on trucks long out of warranty). Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:39:48AM -0800, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for reliability or ease of maintenance, Right, those are the ones with the notorious head gasket problem (which Toyota, to give them some credit, is apparently really good about fixing even on trucks long out of warranty). Head gaskets that blow, valves that beat themselves into the head, valve adjustments that require disassembly of the intake... Needless to say, it's a far cry from a 22R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
John Robbins wrote: Basically, when something comes up that is cheaper than oil we'll be all over it. ...and cost to market is usually a good indicator of fossil fuel used to produce. If it costs $2 a gallon to make corn ethanol when oil is $40 a barrel, and $5 a gallon to make it when oil is $100 a barrel, maybe we shouldn't be making corn ethanol to power our cars with. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
sometimes i think of how stupid the love of material things and think about renouncing all of my worldly possessions. then i play with my toys On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd love to believe that, I really would but he's turning a major blind eye to, well reality really... We're gluttons and as long as oil lasts we'll belly up to that feel trough and stuff ourselves silly. We've proven that again and again. We will not seriously develop alternatives until we absolutely have no other choice. Unless some magic substance arrives (dylithium crystals?) every move to increased methods of extraction and use of alternative oil sources will be matched by increased use... Unfortunately we're fighting our own nature here. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:10:20 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120459389654809159.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries The World Has Plenty of Oil - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Head gaskets that blow, valves that beat themselves into the head, valve adjustments that require disassembly of the intake... Needless to say, it's a far cry from a 22R. Kevin, do you have an opinion on the current Toyota V-6 and V-8 truck engines? Am I right in thinking that the V-8 in the Tundra and Sequoia is a development of the engine in the original Lexus LS400, and so they've had 15-plus years to work out the bugs? (Asking because I'm weighing a Sequoia vs. a Yukon/Tahoe... need an SUV with more towing capacity than my '93 Isuzu Trooper.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
More likely a bad ignition switch, where the ignition isn't on in the run position but is at the start position. I don't think electronic ignitions have dual resistor circuits for the coil any more. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Hmmm, I've seen all sorts of inductive pickups that do NOT have magnets called Hall effect pickups -- moving a piece of metal through the energized coil produces a signal. Easily could be wrong, though. At any rate, and inductive pickup and the associated electronics to signal when the prong in the IP goes past the sensor when the engine is at 15 ATDC is all that there is in there. Expensive because they are a very low production item. Drip tube timing is still 26 BTDC so far as I know. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
You can also loosen the IP bolts and use the adjuster screw on the side of the mount for small changes if that pump is the same as the one on the 603, allowing you to set it the way you want it without the tool. Very likely it slipped one spline on the hub. You may be able to set it without removing it (if you are lucky and there is enough rotation left). You symptoms are exactly those of late timing -- white smoke and lousy performance cold at low rpm,, very very quiet running (no knock), and black smoke if you run it long enough to get it hot. Usually the smoke clears at higher rpm as the advance moves the timing up. Over advanced timing will give you poor running, terrible injector knock, and serious smoke at high rpm as the engine goes way over advanced. You can do quite a bit of damage this way! Old Volvo Diesels are known for scrubbing the top of the cylinder wall out due to being driven too hard cold, they have a large amount of mechanical advance cold to help with starting and running. Wind them up and they are probably 20 degrees fast, and the excessive combustion pressure from the fuel igniting well before TDC causes the rings to scrape the cylinder walls out. This is compounded by the usual failure mode of the cold start device being getting stuck in the cold position. Talk about smoke! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question on Mercedes safety features
Sorry, I thought you meant SIDE airbags. W124 have driver's bag in all years, passenger side (and no glove box!) after 93 or so. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access
Probably not. The tube is a fixed lenth, about 4 or 5 ft, I think. Longer, and no pressure arrives at the gauge! You would need one designed for that distance, with a larger diameter tube. For that application, I'd use a simple resistance gauge, like the W124. At least you would have a decent estimate of oil pressure, much better than the 3 seconds to lockup idiot llight. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville (Dave H...)
Better yet, replace the side post battery and cables with a standard top post battery and cables. I've never had anything but trouble with GM side post batteries, the cables NEVER fit well after the original battery dies. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
The problem is that there aren't any substitutes. None, zippo, nada. We are burning stored energy as fast as we can pump it, and nothing else, anywhere, anyhow, contains the same amount of energy as compactly and easily usable. The vast majority of petroleum use is dragging 2 ton cars around, if we quit doing that, things will get better fast. Unfortunately, this is exactly the opposite of our urban planning (or really, total and complete lack of) since WWII. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
That's the problem with the oil sands in Canada. Net gain is rather small, and the process is an ecological disaster. The real solution is to learn to use less than we did in the late 40's, but no one wants to listen. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access
The VW actually has a fairly sophisticated idiot light setup for oil pressure, there is a 0.3 bar pressure switch that illuminates the lamp continuously, and a separate 0.9 bar switch that is only in effect above 2000 RPM, if this pressure is not met the lamp starts flashing and an alarm buzzer sounds. I still like a gauge as a cross-check. Allan On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:03:29 -0600, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Probably not. The tube is a fixed lenth, about 4 or 5 ft, I think. Longer, and no pressure arrives at the gauge! You would need one designed for that distance, with a larger diameter tube. For that application, I'd use a simple resistance gauge, like the W124. At least you would have a decent estimate of oil pressure, much better than the 3 seconds to lockup idiot llight. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
Time for another admission. I once put the thermostat in my 240D in backwards... It overheated like nobody's business after that. I had to pay my Indy to figure that one out... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:37:08 -0800 From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for reliability or ease of maintenance, and that overheating it is generally an expensive proposition. Any chance something got hooked up backwards? - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access
I guess I was being Mr. theoretical as I often do. Was thinking less about accidents in dash removal and more about car accidents or just the fact that you have hot, fresh engine oil piped into where people sit. And I also felt that the engine's lifeblood is being piped away from it (though if enough of it escaped the engine and the driver's attention, the driver has a bigger problem than does the engine.) That is unless the leak is on the engine side of the firewall. Brian On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see why this is an example of less than perfect engineering... The gauge works and you can trust it, unlike an electronic gauge which has like 6 things in line to fail... Just because something allows you to be stupid doesn't mean its not good engineering. A hydralic quick disconnect there would be awesome but would have added a lot of cost without a lot of benefit. -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:09:24 -0800 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash Bulb Availability and Access To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Another mild disappointment with what is supposed to be impeccable engineering. Engine oil is fed into the passenger compartment. Then again perhaps this is why the oil gauges on MBs seem to always work as opposed to electronic ones? Brian On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Grin* The first time I had the dash pod out of my 240D I had covered the line with a balloon. It was cold out so I decided to start the car and run the heat... It wasn't long before I had a balloon FULL of black diesel oil... Chineese fire drill to shut the car off. Managed to not get oil everywhere but it did make a mess and ruin a pair of pants. -Curt - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
John Robbins wrote: Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a gallon, we will start commuting to work together (that won't last long I work a lot more hours than she does). ALSO, if it gets to $5 a gallon I am going to park my expedition and buy a Honda Civic. I might have to sit in the back seat to drive it, but the Expedition gets about 12-13 mpg in town with about 15 for mixed driving. I try to think of it in terms of a 100 mile trip. At $3/gallon it costs me $20.10 to drive 100 miles in my big ole SUV. At $5/gallon that goes up to $34. If I get 30 mpg, then the same trip costs $9.90 at $3/gallon or almost $17 at $5/gallon. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
I find unless you're almost ready for a new car, it's not worth the bother and expense to downsize to a smaller car when gas companies have these periods of high prices. Then again, I'm not driving thousands and thousands of miles a year, so it may pay for others. Ed 300E On 04/03/2008, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Robbins wrote: Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a gallon, we will start commuting to work together (that won't last long I work a lot more hours than she does). ALSO, if it gets to $5 a gallon I am going to park my expedition and buy a Honda Civic. I might have to sit in the back seat to drive it, but the Expedition gets about 12-13 mpg in town with about 15 for mixed driving. I try to think of it in terms of a 100 mile trip. At $3/gallon it costs me $20.10 to drive 100 miles in my big ole SUV. At $5/gallon that goes up to $34. If I get 30 mpg, then the same trip costs $9.90 at $3/gallon or almost $17 at $5/gallon. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
Agreed, you can't just look at what 100 miles costs at various MPG, you also have to think about what the CAR costs as well, if it is new and you have a loan you have to think about the interest, higher insurance, etc. If it is not new and you pay cash you still have to consider the opportunity cost of that money plus all the incremental expenses of owning another car (registration, insurance, maintenance). I think for most people, unless they drive a LOT, the perceived economy of a higher MPG car may be a lot smaller than they think, in total. On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:29:07 -0500, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I find unless you're almost ready for a new car, it's not worth the bother and expense to downsize to a smaller car when gas companies have these periods of high prices. Then again, I'm not driving thousands and thousands of miles a year, so it may pay for others. Ed 300E On 04/03/2008, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Robbins wrote: Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a gallon, we will start commuting to work together (that won't last long I work a lot more hours than she does). ALSO, if it gets to $5 a gallon I am going to park my expedition and buy a Honda Civic. I might have to sit in the back seat to drive it, but the Expedition gets about 12-13 mpg in town with about 15 for mixed driving. I try to think of it in terms of a 100 mile trip. At $3/gallon it costs me $20.10 to drive 100 miles in my big ole SUV. At $5/gallon that goes up to $34. If I get 30 mpg, then the same trip costs $9.90 at $3/gallon or almost $17 at $5/gallon. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay seller threatens to sue me.
On the technical side ... If we want to be able to, play a damaged, out of print DVD, start with your computer. If you have a PC get a copy of DVDFab HD Decrypter at http://www.dvdfab.com/free.htm ( I don't know what works on MACs but there is something out there) it opens- deciphers commercial DVD's on a PC and will let you extract the content. DVD burners do a better job of reading damaged disks that any DVD player that I have seen. Also try polishing out the scratch with tooth past, like plain old Colgate white stuff, it is a great plastic polish. I would trying cleaning it real good with something like Windex first. GL Dallas Some where - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] eBay seller threatens to sue me. This whole thread just makes me depressed. Buying and selling stuff on the Internet used to be fun. These days it seems like the cretins have taken over and every other transaction gets messed up because it involves somebody who's trying to cheat me, being a PITA, or just plain incurably stupid. Right now for example I'm dealing with a seller on Amazon Marketplace who sold me an unplayably scratched DVD (represented as in working condition, of course) and insists that it must have been damaged in shipping. Unlikely, since it was still in the case when I received it. Since he blew me off in email I'm going to call in the cavalry---contest the charge and let him deal with my credit card company. Still a pain to have to do that, and to find another copy of the same DVD (it's out of print). Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville (Dave H...)
IMPRESSIVE! That's a direct hit. You may go past Start and collect $200.00 :) I truly appreciate everyone's feedback. Dave H... -- From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MercedesDiscussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville (Dave H...) Dave H. wrote: A friend has a 93 Pontiac Bonneville. This vehicle's challenge is electrical. There is a constant clicking noise (sounds like a relay) coming form near the glove box area. If one tries to start the vehicle the glove box light flashes bright and dim in synchronization with the clicking noise yet the vehicle makes no attempt to start at all. Dave, I bet I can tell you problem exactly. This is a common problem on these cars. Look at the positive battery cable. There is a metal washer/spacer in the cable where it connects to the battery's side post. Replace that spacer and get the battery charged (by running the car) and I bet your friend's problem will be fixed. That little spacer corrodes and causes so many problems on these cars. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
Consumption has been dropping the last little while, inventories of gasoline are very high right now, US is actually exporting gasoline. Price/consumption elasticity at work, sort of -- price should be dropping if supply is high, but the traders (all over the world, not just the US ones in the oil companies' pockets) muck all that up. Imagine that. --R Donald Snook wrote: John Robbins wrote: Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a gallon, we will start commuting to work together (that won't last long I work a lot more hours than she does). ALSO, if it gets to $5 a gallon I am going to park my expedition and buy a Honda Civic. I might have to sit in the back seat to drive it, but the Expedition gets about 12-13 mpg in town with about 15 for mixed driving. I try to think of it in terms of a 100 mile trip. At $3/gallon it costs me $20.10 to drive 100 miles in my big ole SUV. At $5/gallon that goes up to $34. If I get 30 mpg, then the same trip costs $9.90 at $3/gallon or almost $17 at $5/gallon. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
But not a bad engine even so. We have a 95 4Runner with about 125K miles on the 3.0 and no problems with the engine. The worst issues are body rust mostly in the rear quarter panels and tailgate skin but also some in front fenders. Doors OK so far. Some people have had trouble with the head gasket but so far we have not. Toyota was very good about repairs but I don't know if that still applies on a vehicle that is now 13 years old. The 3.0 was not as powerful as the newer 3.4 but had a pretty flat torque curve so the manual transmission was fairly drivable even in the city. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:39:48AM -0800, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for reliability or ease of maintenance, Right, those are the ones with the notorious head gasket problem (which Toyota, to give them some credit, is apparently really good about fixing even on trucks long out of warranty). Head gaskets that blow, valves that beat themselves into the head, valve adjustments that require disassembly of the intake... Needless to say, it's a far cry from a 22R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
Are those POS engines still being sold by Toada? Sure makes me question the reverence which is shown to Toada. At 11:42 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:39:48AM -0800, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for reliability or ease of maintenance, Right, those are the ones with the notorious head gasket problem (which Toyota, to give them some credit, is apparently really good about fixing even on trucks long out of warranty). Head gaskets that blow, valves that beat themselves into the head, valve adjustments that require disassembly of the intake... Needless to say, it's a far cry from a 22R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
How much is used to fly envelopes accross the country so that they can be delivered tomorrow even though it was faxed already in any event. It takes as much fuel to get one of those big jets off the ground as I use in my car all year (maybe more). Kill the courier companies and there will be enough for the rest of us! Randy - who just sent an over night letter to Toronto from Winnipeg at a cost of $26 so that the client would save $9.73 in interest. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil The problem is that there aren't any substitutes. None, zippo, nada. We are burning stored energy as fast as we can pump it, and nothing else, anywhere, anyhow, contains the same amount of energy as compactly and easily usable. The vast majority of petroleum use is dragging 2 ton cars around, if we quit doing that, things will get better fast. Unfortunately, this is exactly the opposite of our urban planning (or really, total and complete lack of) since WWII. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
I don't think that version is around anymore. The 3.4 has 4 cams and 24 valves etc. The 3.0 had only 2 cams and 12 valves. However, the 3.0 is a non-interference engine so if you wait too long to change out the cam drive belt, it won't hurt quite so much. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem Are those POS engines still being sold by Toada? Sure makes me question the reverence which is shown to Toada. At 11:42 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:39:48AM -0800, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for reliability or ease of maintenance, Right, those are the ones with the notorious head gasket problem (which Toyota, to give them some credit, is apparently really good about fixing even on trucks long out of warranty). Head gaskets that blow, valves that beat themselves into the head, valve adjustments that require disassembly of the intake... Needless to say, it's a far cry from a 22R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
And the oil companies are loving it. What a deal! Sell less for more. Hard to beat that. If McDonalds could sell you a 1/4 pounder for $3 or an 1/8 pounder for $6 you can guess what you would be getting. It is criminal but no one seems able to do anything about it. The government (here in any event) loves it as they get more tax on a higher fuel price and can claim that they are helping to reduce consumption for environmental reasons. Nothing a politician likes more than the ability to raise the taxes without saying so and still being able to tell you it is for your own good. Randy - who is becoming a curmugeon (that is not how you spell it is it?) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil John Robbins wrote: Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a gallon, we will start commuting to work together (that won't last long I work a lot more hours than she does). ALSO, if it gets to $5 a gallon I am going to park my expedition and buy a Honda Civic. I might have to sit in the back seat to drive it, but the Expedition gets about 12-13 mpg in town with about 15 for mixed driving. I try to think of it in terms of a 100 mile trip. At $3/gallon it costs me $20.10 to drive 100 miles in my big ole SUV. At $5/gallon that goes up to $34. If I get 30 mpg, then the same trip costs $9.90 at $3/gallon or almost $17 at $5/gallon. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
Just tell yourself that the extra cost is life insurance. If you get hit in the Expedition your chances may be better than if you are in the Honda Civic. Randy - who just knows someone is going to argue about that statement -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil Agreed, you can't just look at what 100 miles costs at various MPG, you also have to think about what the CAR costs as well, if it is new and you have a loan you have to think about the interest, higher insurance, etc. If it is not new and you pay cash you still have to consider the opportunity cost of that money plus all the incremental expenses of owning another car (registration, insurance, maintenance). I think for most people, unless they drive a LOT, the perceived economy of a higher MPG car may be a lot smaller than they think, in total. On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:29:07 -0500, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I find unless you're almost ready for a new car, it's not worth the bother and expense to downsize to a smaller car when gas companies have these periods of high prices. Then again, I'm not driving thousands and thousands of miles a year, so it may pay for others. Ed 300E On 04/03/2008, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Robbins wrote: Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a gallon, we will start commuting to work together (that won't last long I work a lot more hours than she does). ALSO, if it gets to $5 a gallon I am going to park my expedition and buy a Honda Civic. I might have to sit in the back seat to drive it, but the Expedition gets about 12-13 mpg in town with about 15 for mixed driving. I try to think of it in terms of a 100 mile trip. At $3/gallon it costs me $20.10 to drive 100 miles in my big ole SUV. At $5/gallon that goes up to $34. If I get 30 mpg, then the same trip costs $9.90 at $3/gallon or almost $17 at $5/gallon. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
Were you shedding any tears for the oil companies in the 80's when crude was $10 a barrel and the economy of Texas went into the toilet? Here's another take on the subject http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/economics/2007/12/17/Why-Oil-Prices-Will-Drop I had some trouble with the pagination in both Firefox and Safari -- not sure why. Allan On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:34:53 -0600, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And the oil companies are loving it. What a deal! Sell less for more. Hard to beat that. If McDonalds could sell you a 1/4 pounder for $3 or an 1/8 pounder for $6 you can guess what you would be getting. It is criminal but no one seems able to do anything about it. The government (here in any event) loves it as they get more tax on a higher fuel price and can claim that they are helping to reduce consumption for environmental reasons. Nothing a politician likes more than the ability to raise the taxes without saying so and still being able to tell you it is for your own good. Randy - who is becoming a curmugeon (that is not how you spell it is it?) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil John Robbins wrote: Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a gallon, we will start commuting to work together (that won't last long I work a lot more hours than she does). ALSO, if it gets to $5 a gallon I am going to park my expedition and buy a Honda Civic. I might have to sit in the back seat to drive it, but the Expedition gets about 12-13 mpg in town with about 15 for mixed driving. I try to think of it in terms of a 100 mile trip. At $3/gallon it costs me $20.10 to drive 100 miles in my big ole SUV. At $5/gallon that goes up to $34. If I get 30 mpg, then the same trip costs $9.90 at $3/gallon or almost $17 at $5/gallon. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
I still can't bring myself to consider an engine with a rubber band drive as a reliable engine. A timing belt is still a glorified rubber band. Toada and vw not withstanding. I don't get the reverence in which toada is held. I didn't know they were foisting rubber band engines on an unsuspecting public. Sometimes Detroit iron ain't so bad. Our last Dodge G Caravan had 200k miles when Bambi bit it the last time. Current G Caravan has 158k and I have never had to change a rubber band in either of them NO MB (at least postwar) has ever had a rubber band to power it. At 04:30 PM 3/4/2008, you wrote: I don't think that version is around anymore. The 3.4 has 4 cams and 24 valves etc. The 3.0 had only 2 cams and 12 valves. However, the 3.0 is a non-interference engine so if you wait too long to change out the cam drive belt, it won't hurt quite so much. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem Are those POS engines still being sold by Toada? Sure makes me question the reverence which is shown to Toada. At 11:42 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:39:48AM -0800, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for reliability or ease of maintenance, Right, those are the ones with the notorious head gasket problem (which Toyota, to give them some credit, is apparently really good about fixing even on trucks long out of warranty). Head gaskets that blow, valves that beat themselves into the head, valve adjustments that require disassembly of the intake... Needless to say, it's a far cry from a 22R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
I suspect that one of the reasons for the timing belt rather than chains is that they are quiet. The 4 cylinder Toyotas have a chain drive but they tend to eat the guides and then the cases if not changed soon enough. Nothing lasts forever. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem I still can't bring myself to consider an engine with a rubber band drive as a reliable engine. A timing belt is still a glorified rubber band. Toada and vw not withstanding. I don't get the reverence in which toada is held. I didn't know they were foisting rubber band engines on an unsuspecting public. Sometimes Detroit iron ain't so bad. Our last Dodge G Caravan had 200k miles when Bambi bit it the last time. Current G Caravan has 158k and I have never had to change a rubber band in either of them NO MB (at least postwar) has ever had a rubber band to power it. At 04:30 PM 3/4/2008, you wrote: I don't think that version is around anymore. The 3.4 has 4 cams and 24 valves etc. The 3.0 had only 2 cams and 12 valves. However, the 3.0 is a non-interference engine so if you wait too long to change out the cam drive belt, it won't hurt quite so much. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem Are those POS engines still being sold by Toada? Sure makes me question the reverence which is shown to Toada. At 11:42 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:39:48AM -0800, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for reliability or ease of maintenance, Right, those are the ones with the notorious head gasket problem (which Toyota, to give them some credit, is apparently really good about fixing even on trucks long out of warranty). Head gaskets that blow, valves that beat themselves into the head, valve adjustments that require disassembly of the intake... Needless to say, it's a far cry from a 22R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
I'm in Canada. We were paying through the nose for gas even in the 60's compared to the USA. If my memory is correct, I was paying about $0.57 per gallon for gas in about 1968. At that time, it was not much of an issue though, as I was riding a 65CC Honda motorbike and it took less than a dollar to fill it up. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil Were you shedding any tears for the oil companies in the 80's when crude was $10 a barrel and the economy of Texas went into the toilet? Here's another take on the subject http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/economics/2007/12/17/Why-Oil-Prices-Will-Drop I had some trouble with the pagination in both Firefox and Safari -- not sure why. Allan On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:34:53 -0600, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And the oil companies are loving it. What a deal! Sell less for more. Hard to beat that. If McDonalds could sell you a 1/4 pounder for $3 or an 1/8 pounder for $6 you can guess what you would be getting. It is criminal but no one seems able to do anything about it. The government (here in any event) loves it as they get more tax on a higher fuel price and can claim that they are helping to reduce consumption for environmental reasons. Nothing a politician likes more than the ability to raise the taxes without saying so and still being able to tell you it is for your own good. Randy - who is becoming a curmugeon (that is not how you spell it is it?) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil John Robbins wrote: Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a gallon, we will start commuting to work together (that won't last long I work a lot more hours than she does). ALSO, if it gets to $5 a gallon I am going to park my expedition and buy a Honda Civic. I might have to sit in the back seat to drive it, but the Expedition gets about 12-13 mpg in town with about 15 for mixed driving. I try to think of it in terms of a 100 mile trip. At $3/gallon it costs me $20.10 to drive 100 miles in my big ole SUV. At $5/gallon that goes up to $34. If I get 30 mpg, then the same trip costs $9.90 at $3/gallon or almost $17 at $5/gallon. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay seller threatens to sue me.
I have not had to worry about it so don't know for sure, but someone told me that a scratch on the top of the DVD is just as bad or worse than a scratch on the bottom. Any comments or suggestions on how to fix the top if that is true? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Larribeau Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] eBay seller threatens to sue me. On the technical side ... If we want to be able to, play a damaged, out of print DVD, start with your computer. If you have a PC get a copy of DVDFab HD Decrypter at http://www.dvdfab.com/free.htm ( I don't know what works on MACs but there is something out there) it opens- deciphers commercial DVD's on a PC and will let you extract the content. DVD burners do a better job of reading damaged disks that any DVD player that I have seen. Also try polishing out the scratch with tooth past, like plain old Colgate white stuff, it is a great plastic polish. I would trying cleaning it real good with something like Windex first. GL Dallas Some where - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] eBay seller threatens to sue me. This whole thread just makes me depressed. Buying and selling stuff on the Internet used to be fun. These days it seems like the cretins have taken over and every other transaction gets messed up because it involves somebody who's trying to cheat me, being a PITA, or just plain incurably stupid. Right now for example I'm dealing with a seller on Amazon Marketplace who sold me an unplayably scratched DVD (represented as in working condition, of course) and insists that it must have been damaged in shipping. Unlikely, since it was still in the case when I received it. Since he blew me off in email I'm going to call in the cavalry---contest the charge and let him deal with my credit card company. Still a pain to have to do that, and to find another copy of the same DVD (it's out of print). Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
Randy wrote: Just tell yourself that the extra cost is life insurance. If you get hit in the Expedition your chances may be better than if you are in the Honda Civic. Randy - who just knows someone is going to argue about that statement Allan S. wrote Agreed, you can't just look at what 100 miles costs at various MPG, you also have to think about what the CAR costs as well, if it is new and you have a loan you have to think about the interest, higher insurance, etc. If it is not new and you pay cash you still have to consider the opportunity cost of that money plus all the incremental expenses of owning another car (registration, insurance, maintenance). Those are both good points. Maybe I need to rethink this plan. I do really enjoy the security of the Expedition over a civic. I also am much more comfortable in it, than I would be in a civic. I am 6'3 and 270 lbs. So, I fit into the Expedition a lot better. I also shouldn't complain too much, because the only long trips I take (in the Expedition) are for work and I get paid 50.5 cents per miles, so it doesn't hurt quite as much. A few weeks ago I realized that the better plan for work for me is to rent a car (pay for it out of my own pocket), but still get the 50.5 cents per mile. The difference in fuel mileage between the Malibu/Taurus rental and my car pays for the rental cost. This is only works if I only have to pay 1 day of rental. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
Whatever happened to our promised paperless enviornment? Ed 300E On 04/03/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much is used to fly envelopes accross the country so that they can be delivered tomorrow even though it was faxed already in any event. It takes as much fuel to get one of those big jets off the ground as I use in my car all year (maybe more). Kill the courier companies and there will be enough for the rest of us! Randy - who just sent an over night letter to Toronto from Winnipeg at a cost of $26 so that the client would save $9.73 in interest. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil The problem is that there aren't any substitutes. None, zippo, nada. We are burning stored energy as fast as we can pump it, and nothing else, anywhere, anyhow, contains the same amount of energy as compactly and easily usable. The vast majority of petroleum use is dragging 2 ton cars around, if we quit doing that, things will get better fast. Unfortunately, this is exactly the opposite of our urban planning (or really, total and complete lack of) since WWII. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:19:32 -0500, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Whatever happened to our promised paperless enviornment? Never happened. Technology has enabled the creation of more documents with less effort than ever before. Back in the days where you needed to dictate a memo to a secretary and then she would type it and then the mailroom would run off the right number of copies and then distribute it, the system was self-limiting. All those systemic bottlenecks are gone now. Allan -- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
As you already know, if you ease up a little on the highway, the savings can be great in terms of fuel. HP and fuel required to push a big thing through the air really start to go up once you get over 55 mph. Empty all the unneeded stuff out of the trunk, and check the tire pressures ever week or so, crack the window a little instead of running the a/c. An Expedition will never run like a Civic, but there are always savings to be had by just making a few changes. Ed 300E who knows better but doesn't always follow his own common sense when being silly is just so much more fun. ;-) On 04/03/2008, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy wrote: Just tell yourself that the extra cost is life insurance. If you get hit in the Expedition your chances may be better than if you are in the Honda Civic. Randy - who just knows someone is going to argue about that statement Allan S. wrote Agreed, you can't just look at what 100 miles costs at various MPG, you also have to think about what the CAR costs as well, if it is new and you have a loan you have to think about the interest, higher insurance, etc. If it is not new and you pay cash you still have to consider the opportunity cost of that money plus all the incremental expenses of owning another car (registration, insurance, maintenance). Those are both good points. Maybe I need to rethink this plan. I do really enjoy the security of the Expedition over a civic. I also am much more comfortable in it, than I would be in a civic. I am 6'3 and 270 lbs. So, I fit into the Expedition a lot better. I also shouldn't complain too much, because the only long trips I take (in the Expedition) are for work and I get paid 50.5 cents per miles, so it doesn't hurt quite as much. A few weeks ago I realized that the better plan for work for me is to rent a car (pay for it out of my own pocket), but still get the 50.5 cents per mile. The difference in fuel mileage between the Malibu/Taurus rental and my car pays for the rental cost. This is only works if I only have to pay 1 day of rental. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
I agree. My F150 Supercrew will do about 21 mpg (Imp Gallons) if I keep the speed to about 100 to 105 kph (62 to 65 mph) but if I kick it up to 125 kph or so which would be maybe 78 mph, then the mileage drops to about 18. Quite a penalty for a bit more speed - about 20%. Does not work the same with my 300D as I cannot drive it 78 mph. Not sure it would be worth it to drop from 65 mph to 55 mph. I might fall asleep and that would be bad. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E M Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil As you already know, if you ease up a little on the highway, the savings can be great in terms of fuel. HP and fuel required to push a big thing through the air really start to go up once you get over 55 mph. Empty all the unneeded stuff out of the trunk, and check the tire pressures ever week or so, crack the window a little instead of running the a/c. An Expedition will never run like a Civic, but there are always savings to be had by just making a few changes. Ed 300E who knows better but doesn't always follow his own common sense when being silly is just so much more fun. ;-) On 04/03/2008, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy wrote: Just tell yourself that the extra cost is life insurance. If you get hit in the Expedition your chances may be better than if you are in the Honda Civic. Randy - who just knows someone is going to argue about that statement Allan S. wrote Agreed, you can't just look at what 100 miles costs at various MPG, you also have to think about what the CAR costs as well, if it is new and you have a loan you have to think about the interest, higher insurance, etc. If it is not new and you pay cash you still have to consider the opportunity cost of that money plus all the incremental expenses of owning another car (registration, insurance, maintenance). Those are both good points. Maybe I need to rethink this plan. I do really enjoy the security of the Expedition over a civic. I also am much more comfortable in it, than I would be in a civic. I am 6'3 and 270 lbs. So, I fit into the Expedition a lot better. I also shouldn't complain too much, because the only long trips I take (in the Expedition) are for work and I get paid 50.5 cents per miles, so it doesn't hurt quite as much. A few weeks ago I realized that the better plan for work for me is to rent a car (pay for it out of my own pocket), but still get the 50.5 cents per mile. The difference in fuel mileage between the Malibu/Taurus rental and my car pays for the rental cost. This is only works if I only have to pay 1 day of rental. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
Time for a rebuild when that chain cuts through into the coolant passage in the font cover, diluting the sump with coolant. Happened to a co-worker, he was rather cheesed since it had been knocking and someone told him it wasn't a big problem right away. Cogged belts are cheaper, and work fine -- at least on my Volvo and VWs -- I did break a few, but that's poor maintenance and ignorance. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
It's true with diesels as well -- my 300D gets 31-32 in the mixed driving I usually do, but rarely gets better than 29.5 when I'm on the interstate rolling at 70 plus. I prefered the lower speed limit -- took a bit longer to get there, but significantly cheaper, I once hit 35 on a tank. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still can't bring myself to consider an engine with a rubber band drive as a reliable engine. A timing belt is still a glorified rubber band. My take on it is that a timing belt is OK as long as it's in a non-interference engine. Timing belt plus an interference design equals trouble. Of course that rules out most small imported fours, doesn't it? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W108/M117 ignition
Gang, Wondering what the current wisdom is with ignition on the early M117 engines (W108 4.5). I've heard about the Pertronix system and some others. I see that 123 Ignition (they seem to be better respected in Citroen circles than, for example, Luminition) is now offering 4- and 6-cylinder Mercedes kits, and they appear to be willing to build them to order for 8-cyl engines on request. The car is generally running OK but seems to miss a little here and there at idle, and also seems to surge/hesitate under partial load. Some of this could be injection air metering, although that probably doesn't explain the missing as it is rather infrequent and doesn't repeat over more than one firing. My question is: what do people typically do to stabilise the ignition, eliminate the trigger points issue etc etc. Just trying to make a plan on how to sort out the car, system by system. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
A flaky update. I now suspect a blown head gasket or cracked head. Before checking anything, I decided to try it and it started right up, kept going in the run position and I held it at about 2K RPM for awhile. Left it running and went to eyeball under the hood. I noticed a cloud of white smoke out the exhaust. The engine muffed down and quit. Under the exhaust the pavement was wet. After that it would start and stop like before. After I got over my crying spell and had breakfast ( a little Cathey lingo there) I remembered on my short trip that it was running rough when I stopped to add coolant. Sorry for not providing you guys all the poop up front, I have a good memory, but its short. With 263,000 on the clock, I'm in the market for an engine. Of course I'll verify the need first by pulling all the plugs and cranking it over, I expect to get wet out of one of those holes. It was due a new timing belt, and going in there calls for replacing some other stuff. Thanks for every ones response and please don't keep any secrets if you think of something. Harry On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:07 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that one of the reasons for the timing belt rather than chains is that they are quiet. The 4 cylinder Toyotas have a chain drive but they tend to eat the guides and then the cases if not changed soon enough. Nothing lasts forever. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem I still can't bring myself to consider an engine with a rubber band drive as a reliable engine. A timing belt is still a glorified rubber band. Toada and vw not withstanding. I don't get the reverence in which toada is held. I didn't know they were foisting rubber band engines on an unsuspecting public. Sometimes Detroit iron ain't so bad. Our last Dodge G Caravan had 200k miles when Bambi bit it the last time. Current G Caravan has 158k and I have never had to change a rubber band in either of them NO MB (at least postwar) has ever had a rubber band to power it. At 04:30 PM 3/4/2008, you wrote: I don't think that version is around anymore. The 3.4 has 4 cams and 24 valves etc. The 3.0 had only 2 cams and 12 valves. However, the 3.0 is a non-interference engine so if you wait too long to change out the cam drive belt, it won't hurt quite so much. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem Are those POS engines still being sold by Toada? Sure makes me question the reverence which is shown to Toada. At 11:42 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:39:48AM -0800, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for reliability or ease of maintenance, Right, those are the ones with the notorious head gasket problem (which Toyota, to give them some credit, is apparently really good about fixing even on trucks long out of warranty). Head gaskets that blow, valves that beat themselves into the head, valve adjustments that require disassembly of the intake... Needless to say, it's a far cry from a 22R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
Change the bloody thing on schedule, it's fine, wait and it'll break! My neighbors ran at least 200,000 miles on one, as they never changed it when the head gasket started to fail and leak oil. The shop refused to work on it unless they agreed to a new belt, too (as I suggested, the cracks were all the way through, you could see the kevlar!). Stuff dropped into the cog is bad too, but like a said, change the belt and tensioner if there is any question, and they work very nicely. By the way, the belt is Kevlar fiber embedded in long life rubber, they are stronger than tires. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108/M117 ignition
Pertronix or Crane. Someday I'll remember to splurge on a Pertronix, it fits inside the dizzy and cures all sorts of ills, including trigger point problems due to side pressure on a worn dizzy bushing. Check the condition of your injector seals -- I discovered that one of my vanished altogether, either it fell off or got stuffed down the intake hole when I changed the fuel lines last year, or it just fell apart and got sucked in. MIA, what a pain! A bottle of injector cleaner won't hurt any either, I've discovered, since I rarely drive mine --- 15 mpg on premium is just beyond my budget these days. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
Paperless as in less paper. Idiots got to thinking that ment no paper. Its like smokeless powder, less smoke... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:19:32 -0500 From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Whatever happened to our promised paperless enviornment? Ed 300E - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] question on Mercedes safety features
They were available as an option on the later 124's and 126's. The 95 should have it standard. Kevin Kraly wrote: I have a friend who's interested in buying a newer Mercedes Diesel that has driver and passenger air bags. My question is what year and which chassis's were these options first available. Her budget is $10K max. I know that the W140's and W210's have them, but I'm not sure about W124's and the later W126's. TIA, Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula, no air bags, no ABS, Nothin' ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
What? My '83 240D had a max of something like 86mph at which I used to hold it on my commutes until I figured out it took mileage down something like 5mpg. Your 300D should be capable of better, you've got like 20% more hp even though some of it is eaten up by the auto trans... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:03:30 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I agree. My F150 Supercrew will do about 21 mpg (Imp Gallons) if I keep the speed to about 100 to 105 kph (62 to 65 mph) but if I kick it up to 125 kph or so which would be maybe 78 mph, then the mileage drops to about 18. Quite a penalty for a bit more speed - about 20%. Does not work the same with my 300D as I cannot drive it 78 mph. Not sure it would be worth it to drop from 65 mph to 55 mph. I might fall asleep and that would be bad. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
You wroteWe were paying through the nose for gas even in the 60's compared to the USA. If my memory is correct, I was paying about $0.57 per gallon Correct me if I;m wrong, but you were (are ?) paying more per gallon than the US is because of your tax structure? Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil I'm in Canada. We were paying through the nose for gas even in the 60's compared to the USA. If my memory is correct, I was paying about $0.57 per gallon for gas in about 1968. At that time, it was not much of an issue though, as I was riding a 65CC Honda motorbike and it took less than a dollar to fill it up. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil Were you shedding any tears for the oil companies in the 80's when crude was $10 a barrel and the economy of Texas went into the toilet? Here's another take on the subject http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/economics/2007/12/17/Why-Oil-Prices-Will-Drop I had some trouble with the pagination in both Firefox and Safari -- not sure why. Allan On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:34:53 -0600, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And the oil companies are loving it. What a deal! Sell less for more. Hard to beat that. If McDonalds could sell you a 1/4 pounder for $3 or an 1/8 pounder for $6 you can guess what you would be getting. It is criminal but no one seems able to do anything about it. The government (here in any event) loves it as they get more tax on a higher fuel price and can claim that they are helping to reduce consumption for environmental reasons. Nothing a politician likes more than the ability to raise the taxes without saying so and still being able to tell you it is for your own good. Randy - who is becoming a curmugeon (that is not how you spell it is it?) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil John Robbins wrote: Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a gallon, we will start commuting to work together (that won't last long I work a lot more hours than she does). ALSO, if it gets to $5 a gallon I am going to park my expedition and buy a Honda Civic. I might have to sit in the back seat to drive it, but the Expedition gets about 12-13 mpg in town with about 15 for mixed driving. I try to think of it in terms of a 100 mile trip. At $3/gallon it costs me $20.10 to drive 100 miles in my big ole SUV. At $5/gallon that goes up to $34. If I get 30 mpg, then the same trip costs $9.90 at $3/gallon or almost $17 at $5/gallon. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fw: fair is fair
Curt wrote I'd pay $50 to put a trained chimp into every elected office That's pretty much what we have now -- Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fw: fair is fair I can't believe I'm even thinking this but Could at least a little of the blatant liberal baiting/bashing tone down at least a bit? Hows that for the kid glove approach? I'm pretty moderate and I'm just tired of it... I'm pretty much totally burnt out of the whole campaign. I've gotten to the point where I'd pay $50 to put a trained chimp into every elected office and be done with it. Maybe $100 -Curt Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:22:11 -0500 From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT: Fw: fair is fair To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville
Alternators are putting out more amps to cover the load. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/4/08 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville You know I was wondering just the other day, with all the electric gadgets in cars now, like the lights that stay on when you get out, are the batteries getting bigger? I haven't really checked out the battery size on anything newer than a '99 Chevy Tracker and that came with a pitifully small thing. Dad and I put in a much larger unit which cured some cold start issues he'd had that the dealer was unable or unwilling to fix. The battery tray was plenty big enough... The dealer gave Dad something to make good on our buying the larger battery, I seem to remember it being 4 free oil changes or something of that sort. The battery wasn't expensive, $40 or so, Dad figured it was a good deal. Anyway, I'd read some time ago some automakers were considering going to 24v as amps were getting precious. If I were still driving a w123 car with nowhere to plug in I'd probably have rigged up 24v to the starter by now. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:10:56 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like you need more than a trickle charger. You are going to have to charge the battery with a real charger, or fix the electricity leak and jump start it if he drives the car enough to charge it on the road. I had a similar problem with my '95 Taurus last year. Found out it was drawing .3 to .4 amps through the fuse for the power seats and power/keyless locks with the ignition off. I pulled the fuse, jumped the car, and all was well. The problem was intermittent so I didn't waste any time trying to trace it. A few months ago I wanted to move the seats so I put the fuse back in. Haven't had any trouble since, but if I do the fuse is coming back out. It's nice to have remote locks again, I'll probably put a remote on the 190E this summer. Mitch. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
Very true. We are approaching a oil crises and when it finally does happen, we will all look back at today's prices and wish. Oil is a commodity and the problem with any commodity is that when demand really outstrips supply, prices go up sharply. Prices can easily move 2X or more over night. And when this happens, the results will ripple all the way through our economy. Today's price changes are just a small indicator of what could happen. Right now, Saudi is the worlds oil buffer and they can control the price of oil to some degree with the turn of a faucet, but they can only moderate spikes and have no control over the long term upward movement of oil prices. This is why the current establishment works so close with Saudi and this is also why the next elected government will work as close with them. We have no choice. Also, the current gulf war had nothing to do with lower oil prices but it has a lot to do with stabilizing oil prices. And to that effect, it has been very sucessful. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 3/4/08 12:18 PM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil I'd love to believe that, I really would but he's turning a major blind eye to, well reality really... We're gluttons and as long as oil lasts we'll belly up to that feel trough and stuff ourselves silly. We've proven that again and again. We will not seriously develop alternatives until we absolutely have no other choice. Unless some magic substance arrives (dylithium crystals?) every move to increased methods of extraction and use of alternative oil sources will be matched by increased use... Unfortunately we're fighting our own nature here. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:10:20 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120459389654809159.html?mod=opinion_main _commentaries The World Has Plenty of Oil - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
It cost very little because that one letter had several thousand similar ones take the same plane ride. - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 3/4/08 5:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil How much is used to fly envelopes accross the country so that they can be delivered tomorrow even though it was faxed already in any event. It takes as much fuel to get one of those big jets off the ground as I use in my car all year (maybe more). Kill the courier companies and there will be enough for the rest of us! Randy - who just sent an over night letter to Toronto from Winnipeg at a cost of $26 so that the client would save $9.73 in interest. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil The problem is that there aren't any substitutes. None, zippo, nada. We are burning stored energy as fast as we can pump it, and nothing else, anywhere, anyhow, contains the same amount of energy as compactly and easily usable. The vast majority of petroleum use is dragging 2 ton cars around, if we quit doing that, things will get better fast. Unfortunately, this is exactly the opposite of our urban planning (or really, total and complete lack of) since WWII. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
Corn ethenol is a good lesson in false economics anyway. Per the latest official estimates, it takes 80 BTUs of oil to net 100 BTUs of corn ethenol. In other words, we aren't saving what we think we are saving. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 3/4/08 12:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil John Robbins wrote: Basically, when something comes up that is cheaper than oil we'll be all over it. ...and cost to market is usually a good indicator of fossil fuel used to produce. If it costs $2 a gallon to make corn ethanol when oil is $40 a barrel, and $5 a gallon to make it when oil is $100 a barrel, maybe we shouldn't be making corn ethanol to power our cars with. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
You are referring to short term highs and lows but the long term trend is up and its a trend that will continue. That said, I put most of my miles on a 01 Grand Cherokee with a 4 liter engine. I've looked at buying a new, more efficient vehicle and the math just does not work. The cost per mile goes up when I remove the 01 Jeep's depreciation and add the additional cost of a new car payment. It looks even worse when I calculate the first three years of any new vehicle's depreciation in place of a monthly payment. I drive about 50K miles / year. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 3/4/08 3:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil I find unless you're almost ready for a new car, it's not worth the bother and expense to downsize to a smaller car when gas companies have these periods of high prices. Then again, I'm not driving thousands and thousands of miles a year, so it may pay for others. Ed 300E On 04/03/2008, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Robbins wrote: Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a gallon, we will start commuting to work together (that won't last long I work a lot more hours than she does). ALSO, if it gets to $5 a gallon I am going to park my expedition and buy a Honda Civic. I might have to sit in the back seat to drive it, but the Expedition gets about 12-13 mpg in town with about 15 for mixed driving. I try to think of it in terms of a 100 mile trip. At $3/gallon it costs me $20.10 to drive 100 miles in my big ole SUV. At $5/gallon that goes up to $34. If I get 30 mpg, then the same trip costs $9.90 at $3/gallon or almost $17 at $5/gallon. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil
Great theory but flawed. If oil were not in short supply then there would be no financial motivation for billionaires to invest in deep sea drilling. They do it because without these sources there is not enough to go around. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/4/08 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The World Has Plenty of Oil I kinda get that feeling too. it's very suspicious that oil can go up ten fold in price because we suddenly realized that there is china and india. i wouldn't put past the current crew to bankrupt millions and destroy the economy so a few billionaire oil buddies can become multi-billionaire. On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's funny, my brother the geologist couldn't get a job doing oil exploration -- very little more to be found, it seems. I don't know where this guy gets is data, but none of the major oil companies has more proven reserve oil now than it did a couple years ago, and in many cases much less, and they are pumping far faster than they are finding new oil. The price is mostly due to US screwing around. I suspect the goons in the White House are doing this deliberatly, but that's only my opinion. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
USA Gasoline consumption has dropped by an average of 1.1 percent over the last 6 weeks. That's not much of a drop seems to be driven by higher gasoline prices. Usage will likely go back up of the selling price comes down some. Read here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120451858896807177.html?mod=googlenews_w sj http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/03/01/3302217.htm Also, we import gasoline. If we export some, I'm sure it's to our neighbors its not as much as we import. Read here: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/wgtimus2w.htm Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 3/4/08 4:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil Consumption has been dropping the last little while, inventories of gasoline are very high right now, US is actually exporting gasoline. Price/consumption elasticity at work, sort of -- price should be dropping if supply is high, but the traders (all over the world, not just the US ones in the oil companies' pockets) muck all that up. Imagine that. --R Donald Snook wrote: John Robbins wrote: Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a gallon, we will start commuting to work together (that won't last long I work a lot more hours than she does). ALSO, if it gets to $5 a gallon I am going to park my expedition and buy a Honda Civic. I might have to sit in the back seat to drive it, but the Expedition gets about 12-13 mpg in town with about 15 for mixed driving. I try to think of it in terms of a 100 mile trip. At $3/gallon it costs me $20.10 to drive 100 miles in my big ole SUV. At $5/gallon that goes up to $34. If I get 30 mpg, then the same trip costs $9.90 at $3/gallon or almost $17 at $5/gallon. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
