Re: [MBZ] OT grass of the lawn variety

2008-05-07 Thread Kevin Kraly
All we need now is for someone to ask about LSD

That stands for LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, Officer!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula

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[MBZ] Hesitation through Cascade Mountains 190D

2008-05-07 Thread Zoltan Finks
We took little Goldie to wine country this weekend for Release Weekend
(Walla Walla). Had a great time tasting much wine and buying too many
bottles.
But over the mountains, I was surprised to find the thing hesitating in that
pulsating fashion I have observed before on the hill near our house.
The Revs were not surging thankfully, so I rule out tranny. I think that
probably what I attributed to the transmission one night as I ascended our
steep road was not the trans. This is terrific news!!

It seems the hesitation begins at about 3500 rpms. At first I had the wife
shift down to 3, but I realized this did not add any power and in fact made
things worse because it seemed to dislike the higher rpms.

Also, and this is weird, the wife claimed she felt the throttle pushing back
at her foot as the power surged on and off. I didn't feel that as we drove
home over the mountains.

Fortunately Goldie did not break down on us - just slowed us a bit and
worried us a bit.

So I'm guessing we need to replace the fuel filters?

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Hesitation through Cascade Mountains 190D

2008-05-07 Thread Zoltan Finks
By the way, I have been meaning to update my reporting of our fuel mileage
since I changed the thermostat:
We had one disappointing tank at 29.x mpg.

Since then we have had a pleasing 34 or 35 mpg tank.

A recent one was 33.x

The driving on all this has been probably 70 - 75% highway.

And the tankfull during which we climbed over the mountains and had the
hesitation problems was 32.x. It included some liberal use of the throttle
on some country dirt roads after some wine tasting.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax?

2008-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley
 I guess I'm this month's Carfax sugardaddy.  Let me know if you need a
 report.

My sister's looking at a very low mile Achieva. Dealer is a crook,
wants way too much for it, but she thinks she wants the car. Dealer
doesn't want her to see the title. I'm hoping carfax can kill the deal. 
1G3NL52T7VM300104

$6500 rodbender with new engine, probably a service history would
be more revealing than a carfax:
WDBCB35E1MA575977

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Re: [MBZ] Hesitation through Cascade Mountains 190D

2008-05-07 Thread Jim Cathey
 to wine country this weekend for Release Weekend (Walla Walla).

Nummy!  Lotsa _very_ good wine in that area.  We're headed down
in a week or so.  (Not sure if wine will be involved or not.)

 It seems the hesitation begins at about 3500 rpms. At first I had the 
 wife
 shift down to 3, but I realized this did not add any power and in fact 
 made
 things worse because it seemed to dislike the higher rpms.

Fuel filters!

 Also, and this is weird, the wife claimed she felt the throttle 
 pushing back
 at her foot as the power surged on and off. I didn't feel that as we 
 drove
 home over the mountains.

That could just be the engine rocking back and forth and telegraphing
back through the pedal a bit.

 So I'm guessing we need to replace the fuel filters?

Yepparooney.  There's a small chance that it could be the pickup
screen in the tank too, but start with the accessible stuff first.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] RE; Hesitation through cascade mountains

2008-05-07 Thread Dan Weeks

On May 7, 2008, at 4:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was surprised to find the thing hesitating in that
 pulsating fashion I have observed before on the hill near our house.
 The Revs were not surging thankfully, so I rule out tranny. I think  
 that
 probably what I attributed to the transmission one night as I  
 ascended our
 steep road was not the trans. This is terrific news!!

 It seems the hesitation begins at about 3500 rpms. At first I had  
 the wife
 shift down to 3, but I realized this did not add any power and in  
 fact made
 things worse because it seemed to dislike the higher rpms.

 Also, and this is weird, the wife claimed she felt the throttle  
 pushing back
 at her foot as the power surged on and off.

Brian:

Check engine mounts? Weak engine mounts that allow the engine to rock  
in its cradle can result in surging throttle. Your wife feeling the  
pulsating in the go pedal made me think of this. Have not had this  
occur in an MB, but have in other cars with bad motor mounts.

Dan


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[MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63
OK Don,

Try unplugging the 'puter at the two pin connector on back of the IP; if the 
stumbling goes away, I suspect that your wiring harness is degraded or some 
input to the 'puter is bad or the 'puter is bad.

Idle will drop to around 550 RPM; you can manually adjust back up to where you 
like it and just leave it unplugged.

Max

 

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My son's new '87 300D misses, or stumbles when warm and idling. It's
like it fails to fire once every second or two. It looks like the
delivery valve seals are leaking some, but Diesel is not pouring off
the top of the IP.
It also blows white smoke when it starts - till warm - and smells like
fresh Diesel - so I'm suspecting faulty glowing for this.
It clatta, clatta's a bit louder than I think it should as well. There
are only 197,000 miles on it - should be almost like new.
The #14 head seems fine - no pressure in the radiator hoses, etc.

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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread OK Don
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The glow plugs all measure 'good' with an ohmmeter - the relay is
next. It will be purged this weekend, then will have to find decent
hills somewhere - perhaps in Luther's neck of the woods.

  Replace the bad glow plugs, check the glow relay, run some Diesel Purge,
  and Italian tune up?


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Re: [MBZ] grass

2008-05-07 Thread Curt Raymond

I thought ultralights used small (like 340cc) snowmobile motors
Seems like a weedwhacker would be underpowered. They're only a couple HP.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:54:17 -0500
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1. My wife can never start our two-cycle weed wacker. I can in 90
 seconds.
Insert gorilla grunt here.

2. It somewhat troubles me that many ultralight airplanes are flying
 around
on similar engines. But, on the other hand, once it is started and
 warmed
up, it doesn't stall.

(Lower nose, fly just above stall speed, look for a safe landing area,
 
)

   
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Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting Standing Pilot (millivolt) Gas Valve

2008-05-07 Thread LWB250
All the external stuff has been removed.  There is no sail switch, as this is 
a pool heater, but there are pressure and high temp cutout switches, again, 
which have been jumpered out.
   
  I'm gonna tear into the thing again tonight.  I've worked on electrical 
controls for years, so this part won't be a big deal...
   
  Dan
  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
In a message dated 5/6/2008 12:35:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, 
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I figured this out

Looks like the valve itself is good, it's the controls
that are funky.

I jumpered from the thermocouple to the main valve and
it opened and the burners fired off. Yahoo!



Dan,

look for some kind of flow confirmation such as a sail switch in the pipe or 
a pitot tube that senses flow pressure. I have had sail metal fall off the 
arm and of course the water flow would not actuate the switch.

could also be a bad micro switch. Check the easy stuff first. 

Jim Friesen
Phoenix AZ
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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread OK Don
Where is this oil line from the block to the pump?
I just finished the bottle of Power Service - will get more.


  I would make sure the oil pressure line is flowing oil to the injector  pump.
  It has a very small orifice where it comes off the block and could be
  plugged.  Also consider the new low sulfur  diesel is a little weak in  it's
  lubricating abilities and an additive may be needed to prevent the  
 occasional
  sticking plunger.  Loves truck stop has the best deals on two or  3 brands 
 of diesel
  fuel additive, tho any good parts store will have some.

  I quart treats about 150 gallons, so you don't need much.

  Jim  Friesen
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Re: [MBZ] grass

2008-05-07 Thread LWB250
Rotax air cooled engines are the powerplant of choice, I believe.
   
  Dan

Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
I thought ultralights used small (like 340cc) snowmobile motors
Seems like a weedwhacker would be underpowered. They're only a couple HP.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:54:17 -0500
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1. My wife can never start our two-cycle weed wacker. I can in 90
seconds.
Insert gorilla grunt here.

2. It somewhat troubles me that many ultralight airplanes are flying
around
on similar engines. But, on the other hand, once it is started and
warmed
up, it doesn't stall.

(Lower nose, fly just above stall speed, look for a safe landing area,

)


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Re: [MBZ] Buzzer

2008-05-07 Thread Curt Raymond

I should have taken pictures, what you're describing seems in no way to relate 
to what I saw.
Inside the casing I found NO moving parts, just a little black box buzzer thing 
which made very little noise.
I also saw no way for it to contact the case...

-Curt

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 Found the buzzer. No obvious reason for it to be quiet. Took the
 outer 
 cover off, the buzzy bit is still very quiet.

It would be.  The little weight on the end of the flapper arm
is supposed to bang into the wall of the plastic cover.  It should
move briskly.  Any bad electrolytic capacitors in the area?  You
can usually tack-solder a junkyard one in parallel and see if it
makes a difference.

-- Jim

   
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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread OK Don
Good point, thanks. I was thinking hydraulics. We'll try that and see
what happens.

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN
Charleston SC J63 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK Don,

  Try unplugging the 'puter at the two pin connector on back of the IP; if the 
 stumbling goes away, I suspect that your wiring harness is degraded or some 
 input to the 'puter is bad or the 'puter is bad.

  Idle will drop to around 550 RPM; you can manually adjust back up to where 
 you like it and just leave it unplugged.

  Max



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  My son's new '87 300D misses, or stumbles when warm and idling. It's
  like it fails to fire once every second or two. It looks like the
  delivery valve seals are leaking some, but Diesel is not pouring off
  the top of the IP.
  It also blows white smoke when it starts - till warm - and smells like
  fresh Diesel - so I'm suspecting faulty glowing for this.
  It clatta, clatta's a bit louder than I think it should as well. There
  are only 197,000 miles on it - should be almost like new.
  The #14 head seems fine - no pressure in the radiator hoses, etc.

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Re: [MBZ] Hesitation through Cascade Mountains 190D

2008-05-07 Thread Curt Raymond

Sounds like it to me. My 190D is giving similar symptoms when low on fuel.
I need to put in about a $300 Rusty order today anyway...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 02:21:00 -0700
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We took little Goldie to wine country this weekend for Release Weekend
(Walla Walla). Had a great time tasting much wine and buying too many
bottles.
But over the mountains, I was surprised to find the thing hesitating in
 that
pulsating fashion I have observed before on the hill near our house.
The Revs were not surging thankfully, so I rule out tranny. I think
 that
probably what I attributed to the transmission one night as I ascended
 our
steep road was not the trans. This is terrific news!!

It seems the hesitation begins at about 3500 rpms. At first I had the
 wife
shift down to 3, but I realized this did not add any power and in fact
 made
things worse because it seemed to dislike the higher rpms.

Also, and this is weird, the wife claimed she felt the throttle pushing
 back
at her foot as the power surged on and off. I didn't feel that as we
 drove
home over the mountains.

Fortunately Goldie did not break down on us - just slowed us a bit and
worried us a bit.

So I'm guessing we need to replace the fuel filters?

Brian

   
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Re: [MBZ] Hesitation through Cascade Mountains 190D

2008-05-07 Thread Curt Raymond

Marshall said plugged fuel filters would give you worse fuel mileage.

Get a can of diesel Purge or other diesel additive to fill the big filter with 
when you install it.
Its easy peasy.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 02:27:03 -0700
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By the way, I have been meaning to update my reporting of our fuel
 mileage
since I changed the thermostat:
We had one disappointing tank at 29.x mpg.

Since then we have had a pleasing 34 or 35 mpg tank.

A recent one was 33.x

The driving on all this has been probably 70 - 75% highway.

And the tankfull during which we climbed over the mountains and had the
hesitation problems was 32.x. It included some liberal use of the
 throttle
on some country dirt roads after some wine tasting.

Brian

   
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[MBZ] Achieva was Re: Carfax?

2008-05-07 Thread Donald Snook
Mitch wrote: My sister's looking at a very low mile Achieva. Dealer is a 
crook, wants way too much for it, but she thinks she wants the car. Dealer 
doesn't want her to see the title. I'm hoping carfax can kill the deal

Doesn't want her to see the title? That is strange and indicates he is trying 
to hide something.  Tread lightly.

What year is the Achieva? Does it have the 3.1 V6. If so, that is a good 
engine.  They have one oil leak problem.  It is a fairly old design block and 
it has a $2 seal where the distributor shaft used to be.  They leak oil.  They 
start to leak a little and the leak becomes exponential.  The seal in on top of 
the engine, so they can leak for a long time before it is noticeable.  It is 
not a difficult repair. Most shops will charge about 2 hours labor.  ANY GM 
dealer will be very familiar with the problem, because the same engine is used 
in Pontiacs, Chevy, and Olds (maybe even buick).

The achievas have good engines/transmissions. The only thing that seems to go 
bad is the cheap interior pieces.

Donald H. Snook




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[MBZ] just like being a kid again

2008-05-07 Thread Curt Raymond
When I was a little kid I told my Grandmother We got our new car today and 
went to the junkyard for parts! That was my Dad's Vega that had a ruined front 
spindle.

I spent some time today setting up a $250 Rusty order which includes filters 
for the 190D and mufflers and filters for the 240D which should arrive sometime 
this weekend

Does anybody know how many hangers I need? Rusty lists exhaust hangers which 
are the donuts and muffler hangers which are the chain filled figure 8 
dealies. I know I need at least 2 muffler hangers, and I seem to remember 
needing 2 exhaust hangers too but I'm not sure.

-Curt

   
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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread kaleb
That car has a blown head gasket, I traded it to whats his name as such. 
It doesnt have the typical coolant problem, I suspect this one is blown
between #1 and the timing area

 My son's new '87 300D misses, or stumbles when warm and idling. It's
 like it fails to fire once every second or two. It looks like the
 delivery valve seals are leaking some, but Diesel is not pouring off
 the top of the IP.
 It also blows white smoke when it starts - till warm - and smells like
 fresh Diesel - so I'm suspecting faulty glowing for this.
 It clatta, clatta's a bit louder than I think it should as well. There
 are only 197,000 miles on it - should be almost like new.
 The #14 head seems fine - no pressure in the radiator hoses, etc.

 --
 OK Don, KD5NRO
 Norman, OK
 There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
 -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
 '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply
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Re: [MBZ] just like being a kid again

2008-05-07 Thread Jim Cathey
 I know I need at least 2 muffler hangers, and I seem to remember 
 needing 2 exhaust hangers too but I'm not sure.

That sounds about right.  (But I'm not sure either.)

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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread kaleb
Forgot to mention, that car had low compression on #1 when I had it, that
was why it was stumbling when warm.
 OK Don,

 Try unplugging the 'puter at the two pin connector on back of the IP; if
 the stumbling goes away, I suspect that your wiring harness is degraded or
 some input to the 'puter is bad or the 'puter is bad.

 Idle will drop to around 550 RPM; you can manually adjust back up to where
 you like it and just leave it unplugged.

 Max



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 My son's new '87 300D misses, or stumbles when warm and idling. It's
 like it fails to fire once every second or two. It looks like the
 delivery valve seals are leaking some, but Diesel is not pouring off
 the top of the IP.
 It also blows white smoke when it starts - till warm - and smells like
 fresh Diesel - so I'm suspecting faulty glowing for this.
 It clatta, clatta's a bit louder than I think it should as well. There
 are only 197,000 miles on it - should be almost like new.
 The #14 head seems fine - no pressure in the radiator hoses, etc.

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Re: [MBZ] Buzzer

2008-05-07 Thread Jim Cathey
 Inside the casing I found NO moving parts, just a little black box 
 buzzer thing which made very little noise.
 I also saw no way for it to contact the case...

Yours is different than mine then.  The older cars had a
definitely more anemic peeper inside than the vigorous
buzz of our later cars.  The earlier ones are just a relay
rigged to cut its own power when actuated.  Makes enough
noise doing so to serve as a sounder.  You could try
replacing that relay with another one from a surplus
site or something like that.

The new ones do no more than hum a bit when the case is
off, 'cause the little hammer's not hitting anything.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] grass

2008-05-07 Thread Curt Raymond

Like I said...

Rotax is also the motor of choice for Ski-Doo snowmobiles. Both Ski-Doo and 
Rotax are owned by Bombardier.
Joseph Bombardier is widely acknowledged as the father of the modern front 
engine rubber track snowmobile.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 06:17:56 -0700 (PDT)
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Rotax air cooled engines are the powerplant of choice, I believe.
   
  Dan

Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
I thought ultralights used small (like 340cc) snowmobile motors
Seems like a weedwhacker would be underpowered. They're only a couple
 HP.

-Curt

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer

2008-05-07 Thread Luther
Boot in Linux, it won't abide by the Winderz permissions.

Luther

On Mon, 05 May 2008 21:02:22 -0500, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, you can copy stuff over with a few exceptions. Both Vista and XP
 work with NTFS and Fat filesystems. If you get permission errors, you
 can try booting from a BartPE CD. That gives you access to the
 filesystem without Windows trying to enforce any security constraints.

 http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

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Re: [MBZ] grass

2008-05-07 Thread LWB250
Cool.  I never got into snowmobiles while living in Wisconsin, although I did 
ride them many times - just never got into the nuts and bolts of one.

  Dan
   
  
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Like I said...

Rotax is also the motor of choice for Ski-Doo snowmobiles. Both Ski-Doo and 
Rotax are owned by Bombardier.
Joseph Bombardier is widely acknowledged as the father of the modern front 
engine rubber track snowmobile.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 06:17:56 -0700 (PDT)
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Rotax air cooled engines are the powerplant of choice, I believe.

Dan

Curt Raymond wrote:

I thought ultralights used small (like 340cc) snowmobile motors
Seems like a weedwhacker would be underpowered. They're only a couple
HP.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] just like being a kid again

2008-05-07 Thread Frederick W Moir
Curt, et al.
Just did my 190DT which is the same as a 601 (I believe).
There are 3 mounts, 2 bump stops and the trans mount. between the 
mufflers, just ahead of the rear axle assy. is an heart shaped mount, 
usually very tired. Two rings/ figure 8's at the aft end of the rear 
muffler, and two bumpers above the rear muffler. I've tried both 
rings and figure 8's and prefer the 8's as they last a lot longer.
YMMV
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 10:08 AM 5/7/2008, you wrote:
  I know I need at least 2 muffler hangers, and I seem to remember
  needing 2 exhaust hangers too but I'm not sure.
That sounds about right.  (But I'm not sure either.)
- Jim


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[MBZ] OT Bookmarks across multiple computers

2008-05-07 Thread John Robbins
Since we're on the topic of moving things from computer to comptuter, 
etc.  thought I would mention foxmarks.  It synchronizes bookmarks 
across multiple computers.  I have the same bookmarks on my work 
computer, home desktop, laptop, and server.  It is 99% transparent to 
keep them all synchronized.  And its free!

http://www.foxmarks.com/

:)

John


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Re: [MBZ] OT Linux Query

2008-05-07 Thread John Robbins
Wonko the Sane wrote:
 Three hour download / install to upgrade. Didn't see what changed -- but I
 did notice that it has a new KDE-Desktop (strange for a Gnome distro). I
 regret doing it, since I discovered after the upgrade that Auttomatix isn't
 going to be supported past 7.10 (what I was running previously).

What is so special about Automatix?  Adept for KDE works just fine for 
me.  I have to use 8.04 since my Shuttle XPC has a funky ethernet driver 
that isn't supported in 7.10.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 30, Issue 33

2008-05-07 Thread Gary Thompson
On 5/6/08, Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's just pine, but such dense, hard pine I've never seen. All first-
 growth stuff, as heavy as teak, and loaded with resin. So far, 3
 years as raised beds and no sign of rot.


Assuming you don't break your chipper. I live in a 1913 vintage house
built with old-growth long leaf pine, and you can't even drive a nail
into the stuff.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320

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Re: [MBZ] OT Bookmarks across multiple computers

2008-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas
Yes, an excellent app, I use it too.

--R

John Robbins wrote:
 Since we're on the topic of moving things from computer to comptuter, 
 etc.  thought I would mention foxmarks.  It synchronizes bookmarks 
 across multiple computers.  I have the same bookmarks on my work 
 computer, home desktop, laptop, and server.  It is 99% transparent to 
 keep them all synchronized.  And its free!

 http://www.foxmarks.com/

 :)

 John


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Re: [MBZ] OT Linux Query

2008-05-07 Thread Luther
Where'd you get Ubuntu 80.4?

Luther

On Tue, 06 May 2008 18:29:06 -0500, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know I was already mentioned but here's my list.

 Ubuntu 8.04 on Debbie's ThinkPad laptop.
 Ubuntu 80.4 (upgraded yesterday) on my Dell D400 laptop. (dual-boot XP Pro)
 PCLOS Gnome on my Toshiba 4015CDS (my web server)
 Mepis 6.0 on Debbie's desktop system.
 PCLOS Gnome on my spare HP laptop.

 On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Since we're all talking computers, I was curious to find out how many
 of us are actually using Linux?

 I know there's me, Hursty and Lt. Don..who else?

 It seems like Linux has a much higher penetration rate here than in
 the general domain.

 Zedic





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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread Luther
Email phone @ gulseth.net if you do

On Wed, 07 May 2008 08:15:41 -0500, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The glow plugs all measure 'good' with an ohmmeter - the relay is
 next. It will be purged this weekend, then will have to find decent
 hills somewhere - perhaps in Luther's neck of the woods.

  Replace the bad glow plugs, check the glow relay, run some Diesel Purge,
  and Italian tune up?





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Re: [MBZ] grass

2008-05-07 Thread Luther
When planted, would they set tomatoes quick enough for my 8week old chicks to 
eat before they are butchered in about 10 weeks???

Luther

On Tue, 06 May 2008 08:28:13 -0500, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone want some heirloom tomato seedlings?  I am offering a half dozen
 of my plants FREE to whoever provides the most entertaining and compelling
 story.  Runner ups will have to compensate me with some seed starter mix.  I
 have shipped these plants successfully before (ask LT Don).  They will be
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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread Peter Frederick

Oh, boy -- low compression on #1 is often a blown head gasket, and eventually 
it will allow too much oil into the #1 cylinder (from the pressure passage 
across the front of the block) and bend the rods.

I'd check for excessive blowby and plan on replacing the head gasket -- you are 
about ready for one anyway.  The one on my brother's SDL was going at 245,000, 
and I'm glad we changed it when we did, it was leaking oil into #1 cylinder!  
Good thing the dealer broke that stud off putting the exhaust manifold back on 
after the turbo replacement with trap oxidizer recall

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Redghost
Danny is pretty fed up with the idiots running the schools here as  
well.  Due to labor unions a large ($12.6 million) grant was  
rescinded that would have paid for extra science and math teaching.   
The teacher union thought it smacked of merit pay, since the  
teachers who produced students able to pass the math and science  
standardized tests would be paid for the effort.

We also have a coloreds only child welfare agency that just got shut  
down.  It was instituted to deal with the peculiar problems faced by  
colored children in the system.  It was deemed racist and not  
egalitarian.  Seattle is a very egalitarian society, and all must  
suffer and produce at the lowest common denominator.

clay

On 4 May 2008, at 19:56, Craig McCluskey wrote:

 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/ 
 2004391337_danny04.html

 Danny Westneat

 Seattle Times staff columnist

 I thought I was going green. Instead, I was committing a crime against
 humanity.

 Recently our family car was totaled in a wreck (no one was hurt). So I
 figured: Here's a chance to green up. To leave gas guzzling behind.  
 To go
 off the oil grid.I'm talking biodiesel. Instead of running your car on
 noxious petroleum, you cruise about town powered by veggie oil

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Redghost
Just watched a Modern Marvels show on corn.  The ethanol corn is  
being genetically manipulated to produce more starch to better  
procure more energy than is needed to make the stuff.  Might be ok  
for food crops, but is hybridized to be a fuel crop.

Just because it is corn and makes ethanol, does not mean it is all  
used up.  All the left over mush is very rich in protein and oils.   
This distillers waste is prime animal feed, so there is extended use  
of the product into nice little steaks, chicken strips and bacon.  It  
may not be feeding all the poor little black people in africa, but it  
is fully used.

And the food price thing is a hoax.  If there were such a huge need  
for corn here, we could just reduce the excess corn we have going to  
all the poor folks in africa and elsewhere.  Bound to be whole ships  
full of that stuff could be better used here to make corn flakes and  
high fructose corn syrup.  Which is not really good for you.

clay




On 4 May 2008, at 20:07, Tom Hargrave wrote:

 Yep, the truth is coming out. Bio Diesel is causing a serious third  
 world
 food shortage.

 Wait till they figure out the real impact that Ethanol production  
 has on the
 world. We are already experiencing record food inflation, partly  
 due to
 higher oil prices but more directly related to the fact that so  
 much corn is
 going to Ethanol!

 Then there's the long term impact of compact florescent bulbs.  
 Every one
 contains a bit of mercury. I don't know about you but I throw mine  
 out when
 they burn out and I bet that 99% of the county does the same. So,  
 do mercury
 tainted landfills appeal to you?

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 www.kegkits.com
 256-656-1924


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 2004391337_danny04.html

 Danny Westneat

 Seattle Times staff columnist

 I thought I was going green. Instead, I was committing a crime against
 humanity.

 Recently our family car was totaled in a wreck (no one was hurt). So I
 figured: Here's a chance to green up. To leave gas guzzling behind.  
 To go
 off the oil grid.I'm talking biodiesel. Instead of running your car on
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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Redghost
The big issue is not local forests or grasslands being denuded, but  
that we are going into the amazon and asian rain forests and planting  
soy and palm oil crops.  Well, not we, but  the locals in those areas  
are using their land in a manner best suited to increasing their  
economies.

This then is shipped to america where it is made into fuel or pig  
feed.  The quote that the palm oil produced by Imperium is being sent  
to Europe is fallacious.  The plant in  Grays Harbor is actually  
producing 100 million gallons of B100 for use by consumers within 500  
miles.  Unless there are a few grey ships headed to europe that are  
not nuke powered, this is the only way that B100 is headed to the old  
world.

clay

On 5 May 2008, at 04:47, Mitch Haley wrote:


 I think they are stretching things quite a bit:

 The reason is that it takes land to grow fuel. That inevitably  
 leads to the
 destruction of forests and grasslands, the studies say.

 When was the last time you heard of somebody clear-cutting land so
 they could grow soybeans and corn? Do these people have any idea how
 much cropland the government is currently paying farmers to not grow
 crops on? Or is that what they mean by grasslands?

 60 acres of those grasslands were bought by my family 30 years
 ago as croplands. Since then, I've seen it used as cropland,  
 hayfields,
 pasture, and now wild grasses. The local wildlife (especially deer,  
 pheasant,
 and turkey) liked it best when it was planted in corn. These days they
 sleep in the grass and do a lot of their eating in the neighbors'  
 corn.

 I'm not sure how large the deer herd would be without hunting  
 pressure.
 We had 30 cattle and 25-30 deer 15 years ago, now we have 15-20 deer.
 Clearly, land that can support 30 or more cattle could easily support
 100 deer, but that sort of deer population (1000 deer per square mile)
 would quickly be deemed a nuisance.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Redghost
You are right Lee.  Around my neighborhood, we have small lots, so  
any spare space will soon be planted with food crops to off set the  
huge increase in grocery bills.  Local and in season crops.

WE do have some issue with the chickens roaming the streets doing  
weeding of our farms.

clay

On 5 May 2008, at 05:20, Lee Einer wrote:

 Mitch Haley wrote:


 When was the last time you heard of somebody clear-cutting land so
 they could grow soybeans and corn? Do these people have any idea how
 much cropland the government is currently paying farmers to not grow
 crops on? Or is that what they mean by grasslands?


 Grasslands? I got yer grasslands, right here!

 There are few things more foolish or wasteful than the grass lawn.

 Because a grass lawn is a monoculture with the majority of ecological
 niches vacant, it requires a great deal of human effort (and
 petrochemicals) to maintain.

 And for what? Every week, the suburbanoids come forth with their  
 riding
 mowers to harvest their grass lawn crop, mowing it down. But they have
 no use for what they harvest, it goes into (petrochemical based)  
 garbage
 bags and is sent off to the landfill.

 An outside observer would have to conclude that we are all daft.

 If a whole suburban neighborhood rose up against the tyranny of the
 lawn, and planted their yards and medians with a diverse and full
 ecosystem with fruit trees and bushes, perennial veggies, grapevines,
 and edible groundcovers, how much of their food needs would they meet?
 They would probably be only a few chickens and goats away from  
 complete
 food security.

 Lee

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas
You can't say colored you have to say people of color.  I'm not sure 
what the difference is, but the former is racist and the latter is PC.  
Word.

--R

Redghost wrote:
 Danny is pretty fed up with the idiots running the schools here as  
 well.  Due to labor unions a large ($12.6 million) grant was  
 rescinded that would have paid for extra science and math teaching.   
 The teacher union thought it smacked of merit pay, since the  
 teachers who produced students able to pass the math and science  
 standardized tests would be paid for the effort.

 We also have a coloreds only child welfare agency that just got shut  
 down.  It was instituted to deal with the peculiar problems faced by  
 colored children in the system.  It was deemed racist and not  
 egalitarian.  Seattle is a very egalitarian society, and all must  
 suffer and produce at the lowest common denominator.

 clay

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 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/ 
 2004391337_danny04.html

 Danny Westneat

 Seattle Times staff columnist

 I thought I was going green. Instead, I was committing a crime against
 humanity.

 Recently our family car was totaled in a wreck (no one was hurt). So I
 figured: Here's a chance to green up. To leave gas guzzling behind.  
 To go
 off the oil grid.I'm talking biodiesel. Instead of running your car on
 noxious petroleum, you cruise about town powered by veggie oil

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Re: [MBZ] just like being a kid again

2008-05-07 Thread Curt Raymond

Hi Fred,

This is a 616 actually but I can't see them being all that different...
I was hoping LT Don would peek under his car...

So you're saying 6 figure 8s or donuts or whatever?

-Curt

Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 10:19:27 -0400
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Curt, et al.
Just did my 190DT which is the same as a 601 (I believe).
There are 3 mounts, 2 bump stops and the trans mount. between the 
mufflers, just ahead of the rear axle assy. is an heart shaped mount, 
usually very tired. Two rings/ figure 8's at the aft end of the rear 
muffler, and two bumpers above the rear muffler. I've tried both 
rings and figure 8's and prefer the 8's as they last a lot longer.
YMMV
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 10:08 AM 5/7/2008, you wrote:
  I know I need at least 2 muffler hangers, and I seem to remember
  needing 2 exhaust hangers too but I'm not sure.
That sounds about right.  (But I'm not sure either.)
- Jim

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT Bookmarks across multiple computers

2008-05-07 Thread Chris Thomas
Or you could use web based book mark system, such as http://del.icio.us/,
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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley

Rich Thomas wrote:
 
 You can't say colored you have to say people of color. 

My grandmother learned that negro was politically incorrect and
colored was the PC euphemism of the day. By the time she finally
adjusted from colored to black, the PC crowd had moved on to
African-American. I loathe all the hyphenated euphemisms. If you're
going to label people, at least try to avoid calling natural born
USA citizens African, European, or Asian. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Redghost
Yeah, I really hate all the unnaturally born folks.  they freak me out.


clay


On 7 May 2008, at 08:54, Mitch Haley wrote:


 Rich Thomas wrote:

 You can't say colored you have to say people of color.

 My grandmother learned that negro was politically incorrect and
 colored was the PC euphemism of the day. By the time she finally
 adjusted from colored to black, the PC crowd had moved on to
 African-American. I loathe all the hyphenated euphemisms. If you're
 going to label people, at least try to avoid calling natural born
 USA citizens African, European, or Asian.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread kaleb
When I had that car it would litterally fog up the neighborhood when it
was sitting there idling.  Dont know if it still does taht or not but
problems like that just dont dissappear.


 Oh, boy -- low compression on #1 is often a blown head gasket, and
 eventually it will allow too much oil into the #1 cylinder (from the
 pressure passage across the front of the block) and bend the rods.

 I'd check for excessive blowby and plan on replacing the head gasket --
 you are about ready for one anyway.  The one on my brother's SDL was going
 at 245,000, and I'm glad we changed it when we did, it was leaking oil
 into #1 cylinder!  Good thing the dealer broke that stud off putting the
 exhaust manifold back on after the turbo replacement with trap oxidizer
 recall

 Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread kaleb
Sensitive people, delete this message now!!

With that said, my grandmother used to call black people darkies

My grandfather used to call them spooks

No, they were not raciest, that was just how things were in their day. 
They didnt mean anything by it.  Now days, they would get shot or
something for saying things like that


 Rich Thomas wrote:

 You can't say colored you have to say people of color.

 My grandmother learned that negro was politically incorrect and
 colored was the PC euphemism of the day. By the time she finally
 adjusted from colored to black, the PC crowd had moved on to
 African-American. I loathe all the hyphenated euphemisms. If you're
 going to label people, at least try to avoid calling natural born
 USA citizens African, European, or Asian.

 Mitch.

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[MBZ] OT car for Kaleb

2008-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley
http://auto-rv.com/Browse.aspx?AdName=CMLIEH3100389
The back seat looks big enough for five kids, but probably no belts
back there.

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[MBZ] Who needs a cheap 260E?

2008-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley
http://auto-rv.com/Browse.aspx?AdName=BL837519D

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[MBZ] brake light in the dash on 115 300D

2008-05-07 Thread R A Bennell
I already posted this earlier on banned so some of you may have seen it. I have 
banned on the computer at home and
the main list on the one at the office so the two never meet.

In any event, one of the things that I have been advised to do by the list, is 
to change the brake fluid. I had the
rear wheels off on Saturday so I bled the back brakes. The old fashioned way - 
my wife sat in the car and pressed
the brake pedal when I asked her to and let it up when I asked her to while I 
opened and closed the bleed valves. I
tried to drain the resevoir down pretty good in order to get new fluid in, and 
then bled it again. I have not yet
done the front wheels.

In any event, I have now created an issue as the brake light will not go out on 
the dash. I have looked at the
owner's manual and it tells me that the light will come on if the fuid is low 
or if the brakes are leaking. I have
also looked through the cd service manual and it comments in a similar fashion 
but does not tell me how to re-set
once the light is on.

I note that there is a switch on the resevoir and I assume there is a float 
attached to some sort of rod on the
back part of the resevoir under the little rubber cap. I have pushed up down on 
that a couple of times in the hope
that it would pop back up. The resevoir appears to be full of fluid. I have 
also rapped on the side of the resevoir
with a screw driver handle to no avail.

The brakes appear to be normal so I do not think it is telling me anything but 
has been triggered by my
intervention and is stuck on.

I drove the car to Grand Forks, North Dakota and back on Monday - about  250 
miles round trip at highway speeds.
Vibration has not corrected my problem as I hoped it might.

So, I am about to look closer.

I just wondered if anyone had experienced this and had any sage words of advice.

Randy

By the way - it ran real nice on the highway. 4 of us in the car and the trunk 
full on the way home. It did not
seem to mind 70 mph and I had to keep backing off as I would have ended up 
going 80 mph.

Driving them is obviously good for them as I do not think it would have done 
that when I got it. That was about 7K
miles ago and some of that has been highway travel so I appear to have cleaned 
out the carbon.


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[MBZ] $8500 1998 SL500

2008-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley
No affiliation, just seems too cheap for a R129. 
http://auto-rv.com/Browse.aspx?AdName=15-825549

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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread LarryT
my 91 300D acted like that when cold - when it started blowing white smoke 
it would barely move.  I replaced all GPs and found the GP Relay was faulty. 
Then I found I had a lot of carbon build up.  Bought some additive caller 
Ferox (google it)  - several treatments of that along with my wife's long 
distance commute and it eventually cleared up.  Now it gets 29-32mpg which 
must be attributible to fuel differences and perhaps driving style.

As others suggested, replace the GPs and check the relay - should be staying 
on when cold for ~90 seconds.

Good luck -

Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
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Subject: [MBZ] 603 stumbles


 My son's new '87 300D misses, or stumbles when warm and idling. It's
 like it fails to fire once every second or two. It looks like the
 delivery valve seals are leaking some, but Diesel is not pouring off
 the top of the IP.
 It also blows white smoke when it starts - till warm - and smells like
 fresh Diesel - so I'm suspecting faulty glowing for this.
 It clatta, clatta's a bit louder than I think it should as well. There
 are only 197,000 miles on it - should be almost like new.
 The #14 head seems fine - no pressure in the radiator hoses, etc.

 -- 
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 Norman, OK
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 -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
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Re: [MBZ] brake light in the dash on 115 300D

2008-05-07 Thread Peter Frederick
Those little floats sometimes sink.  Also, can you see fluid on the rear 
chamber of the reservoir?  It can be difficult to fill the rear sometimes, you 
have to overflow the front side into the rear, although I don't think that 
particular one is really bad.  Try unplugging the sensor wires -- if the light 
goes out, the switch it stuck, the float is sunk, or, as in my brother's 300D, 
it fell off the pin and is not floating beside it!  You will have to remove the 
cap that holds the sensor in, and I don't remember if it pries off or screws 
off.

And don't forget that the parking brake uses the same lamp.  Pedal might not be 
all the way up.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer

2008-05-07 Thread Ed Booher
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 All macs have been 64 bit since when?


The first Macintosh with 64 bit processor was the Power Mac G5 released in
June of 2003, oddly enough the first x86 64 bit mainstream processor, the
AMD64 Opteron, was also released in 2003, April 2003. The Power Mac G4 with
AltiVec Velocity Engine claimed to be 64 bit, but in reality ran dual
channel 32 bit processes.

However, Leopard is the first Mac OS to be fully 64 bit aware. All before
Leopard have only had 64 bit areas that allowed certain apps, but not
others, to run at a 64 bit level. Some people who know the inner workings
better than I are saying that even Leopard isn't 100% 64 Bit, and in reality
it can't be if it is able to run on a 32 bit G4 processor.

The reason it is odd that both Apple and the Wintel world introduced 64 bit
processors in 2003 is because the first 64 bit processor was IBM 7030
Mainframe, released in 1961. So it took 4 decades for the tech to trickle
down to the home user. That is an eternity in computer years, and only took
so long due to the software devs, not the hardware people in my opinion.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread andrew strasfogel
The best rememdy to counteract racist tendencies is to actually get to know
people well who are different.  This was the biggest benefit I acquired from
being a Peace Corps volunteer.  My contact with dark-skinned people on a
daily basis illustrated to me how prejudiced I was without realizing it.  Up
until then I had lived in a basically lily-white world and had very liberal
leanings.  IMO, the experience of sending young Americans overseas yields
more dividends to the USA than to the host countries.

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sensitive people, delete this message now!!

 With that said, my grandmother used to call black people darkies

 My grandfather used to call them spooks

 No, they were not raciest, that was just how things were in their day.
 They didnt mean anything by it.  Now days, they would get shot or
 something for saying things like that


  Rich Thomas wrote:
 
  You can't say colored you have to say people of color.
 
  My grandmother learned that negro was politically incorrect and
  colored was the PC euphemism of the day. By the time she finally
  adjusted from colored to black, the PC crowd had moved on to
  African-American. I loathe all the hyphenated euphemisms. If you're
  going to label people, at least try to avoid calling natural born
  USA citizens African, European, or Asian.
 
  Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Bookmarks across multiple computers

2008-05-07 Thread Ed Booher
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Chris Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Or you could use web based book mark system, such as http://del.icio.us/,
 which also has a tagging system that helps you discover new content.


http://del.icio.us also does not require any download or installation. Need
a bookmark from a Hotel computer? From a library computer? What about saving
a bookmark from a friend's computer? Boom baby, save it to the del and it's
available anywhere that has HTML support.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] OT Linux Query

2008-05-07 Thread Wonko the Sane
Time machine (guidance system powered by Linux).

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Where'd you get Ubuntu 80.4?

 Luther




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Re: [MBZ] just like being a kid again

2008-05-07 Thread Frederick W Moir
Curt. et al.
The EPC lists:
4 'O' rings 2 ea.fore and aft of rear muffler 107 492 00 82
3 Rubber buffers one each at the fri\ont of both mufflers and one aft 
of rear muffler 123 987 0940
HTH
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 11:48 AM 5/7/2008, you wrote:

Hi Fred,

This is a 616 actually but I can't see them being all that different...
I was hoping LT Don would peek under his car...

So you're saying 6 figure 8s or donuts or whatever?

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Wonko the Sane
 except when the young Americans all dress alike and carry weapons!

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:30 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 IMO, the experience of sending young Americans overseas yields
 more dividends to the USA than to the host countries.




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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Curt Raymond

Hear hear!
There is as much misinformation on biofuels as there is actual information.
I'm glad to see somebody else is actually paying attention, the media surely 
are not.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:36:46 -0700
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Just watched a Modern Marvels show on corn.  The ethanol corn is  
being genetically manipulated to produce more starch to better  
procure more energy than is needed to make the stuff.  Might be ok  
for food crops, but is hybridized to be a fuel crop.

Just because it is corn and makes ethanol, does not mean it is all  
used up.  All the left over mush is very rich in protein and oils.   
This distillers waste is prime animal feed, so there is extended use  
of the product into nice little steaks, chicken strips and bacon.  It  
may not be feeding all the poor little black people in africa, but it  
is fully used.

And the food price thing is a hoax.  If there were such a huge need  
for corn here, we could just reduce the excess corn we have going to  
all the poor folks in africa and elsewhere.  Bound to be whole ships  
full of that stuff could be better used here to make corn flakes and  
high fructose corn syrup.  Which is not really good for you.

clay

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer

2008-05-07 Thread Ed Booher
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The reason it is odd that both Apple and the Wintel world introduced 64
 bit processors in 2003 is because the first 64 bit processor was IBM 7030
 Mainframe, released in 1961. So it took 4 decades for the tech to trickle
 down to the home user. That is an eternity in computer years, and only took
 so long due to the software devs, not the hardware people in my opinion.


I should qualify that statement and say that the IBM 7030 performed 64 bit
processing  it wasn't a single 64 bit processor. Sorry about that.

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[MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63
Forget what I said then, as blown head gasket at oil passage is supposed to 
present as rough idle and increased blue smoke...

Max

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Forgot to mention, that car had low compression on #1 when I had it, that
was why it was stumbling when warm.


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Re: [MBZ] just like being a kid again

2008-05-07 Thread Curt Raymond

Thanks Fred!

Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 14:04:04 -0400
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Curt. et al.
The EPC lists:
4 'O' rings 2 ea.fore and aft of rear muffler 107 492 00 82
3 Rubber buffers one each at the fri\ont of both mufflers and one aft 
of rear muffler 123 987 0940
HTH
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 11:48 AM 5/7/2008, you wrote:

Hi Fred,

This is a 616 actually but I can't see them being all that
 different...
I was hoping LT Don would peek under his car...

So you're saying 6 figure 8s or donuts or whatever?

-Curt

   
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[MBZ] My mail is back up

2008-05-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Got it all transferred, now going back thru back emails.  If you emailed 
me, or Im supposed to be sending you parts, I am slowly making my way 
down the list.  I hope to be caught back up by tomorrow.
-- 
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  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D,
  89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] brake light in the dash on 115 300D

2008-05-07 Thread R A Bennell
I believe there is fluid in the back part of the resevoir. I have also thought 
about unplugging the sensor wires
and testing for continuity on the resevoir pins. I also wondered if unplugging 
might reset something but probably
not as this is pretty basic system and not a new computerized gizmo. I don't 
think it is likely to be the parking
brake as that part has worked flawlessly for the past 3 summers. I am assuming 
it is just the float sticking or the
contacts not being clean. The cd manual says the sensor is not removable so I 
guess that I may have to probe inside
with a piece of wire to see if I can make the float move. There is a rubber cap 
over the sensor float rod and I
assume it just pries off. I was a bit leery of doing so for fear that it might 
then need the shoegoo treatment. I
wondered if that part was available if needed. I like to avoid messing with old 
rubber parts like that.

Will start trying some things. So far, I have mostly just looked at it and 
thought about it which has been alright
because the brakes work fine and I know it is just the sensor contacts acting 
up.

Randy

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Those little floats sometimes sink.  Also, can you see fluid on the rear 
chamber of the reservoir?  It can be
difficult to fill the rear sometimes, you have to overflow the front side into 
the rear, although I don't think
that particular one is really bad.  Try unplugging the sensor wires -- if the 
light goes out, the switch it stuck,
the float is sunk, or, as in my brother's 300D, it fell off the pin and is not 
floating beside it!  You will have
to remove the cap that holds the sensor in, and I don't remember if it pries 
off or screws off.

And don't forget that the parking brake uses the same lamp.  Pedal might not be 
all the way up.

Peter




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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread R A Bennell
My concern is sort of the opposite. In Canada, we seem to have so many special 
benefits for minorities that we are
the ones discriminated against. Our native people want to have separate 
programs for every conceivable thing. I
cannot help but suspect that one day they will turn around and accuse us of 
segregating them.

Randy

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The best rememdy to counteract racist tendencies is to actually get to know
people well who are different.  This was the biggest benefit I acquired from
being a Peace Corps volunteer.  My contact with dark-skinned people on a
daily basis illustrated to me how prejudiced I was without realizing it.  Up
until then I had lived in a basically lily-white world and had very liberal
leanings.  IMO, the experience of sending young Americans overseas yields
more dividends to the USA than to the host countries.

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sensitive people, delete this message now!!

 With that said, my grandmother used to call black people darkies

 My grandfather used to call them spooks

 No, they were not raciest, that was just how things were in their day.
 They didnt mean anything by it.  Now days, they would get shot or
 something for saying things like that


  Rich Thomas wrote:
 
  You can't say colored you have to say people of color.
 
  My grandmother learned that negro was politically incorrect and
  colored was the PC euphemism of the day. By the time she finally
  adjusted from colored to black, the PC crowd had moved on to
  African-American. I loathe all the hyphenated euphemisms. If you're
  going to label people, at least try to avoid calling natural born
  USA citizens African, European, or Asian.
 
  Mitch.
 


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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread R A Bennell
The media is seldom interested in the truth. It is just not exciting enough to 
be newsworthy. 

Randy

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Hear hear!
There is as much misinformation on biofuels as there is actual information.
I'm glad to see somebody else is actually paying attention, the media surely 
are not.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:36:46 -0700
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Just watched a Modern Marvels show on corn.  The ethanol corn is  
being genetically manipulated to produce more starch to better  
procure more energy than is needed to make the stuff.  Might be ok  
for food crops, but is hybridized to be a fuel crop.

Just because it is corn and makes ethanol, does not mean it is all  
used up.  All the left over mush is very rich in protein and oils.   
This distillers waste is prime animal feed, so there is extended use  
of the product into nice little steaks, chicken strips and bacon.  It  
may not be feeding all the poor little black people in africa, but it  
is fully used.

And the food price thing is a hoax.  If there were such a huge need  
for corn here, we could just reduce the excess corn we have going to  
all the poor folks in africa and elsewhere.  Bound to be whole ships  
full of that stuff could be better used here to make corn flakes and  
high fructose corn syrup.  Which is not really good for you.

clay

   
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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63
No no, especially true in that case!  America is reaping great oil dividends 
from Mr. Bush's War for Oil, aren't we?

Max

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 except when the young Americans all dress alike and carry weapons!

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:30 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 IMO, the experience of sending young Americans overseas yields
 more dividends to the USA than to the host countries.




--
LT Don
http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ 
https://webmail.nmci.navy.mil/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://don.homelinux.net/~don/
 

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
The following packages will be replaced
Prez
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[MBZ] This is how Lt Don drives his 240D

2008-05-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
 http://www.garaget.org/video/rgdrcum0q7xf


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  89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] This is how Lt Don drives his 240D

2008-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley
is that supposed to be autocross, or some kind of tail-wagging competition?

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 
  http://www.garaget.org/video/rgdrcum0q7xf

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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a cheap 260E?

2008-05-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Thats not cheap, you can get a real 300E for that or cheaper

Mitch Haley wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Palm River Tennessee

2008-05-07 Thread Chuck Landenberger
But look what they're doing in Tennessee

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[MBZ] This 123 sure can tow

2008-05-07 Thread Donald Snook
Take a look at this photo.  Who knew the 123 could tow so much



Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer

2008-05-07 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 6 May 2008 09:04:44 -0400 dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I have no doubt that Linux/Unix will win in the long run.

See picture attached.


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Re: [MBZ] This 123 sure can tow

2008-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas
Wow, Hillary getting towed around by a 123.  Who'd a thunk it.

--R

Donald Snook wrote:
 Take a look at this photo.  Who knew the 123 could tow so much



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Re: [MBZ] brake light in the dash on 115 300D

2008-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas
I have that same problem after replacing the rear calipers and bleeding 
everything.  I know front pads are good as I replaced them a year or two 
ago, not many miles on them.  I fooled a bit with the reservoir but it 
is still sorta half on and goes on/off.

--R

R A Bennell wrote:
 I believe there is fluid in the back part of the resevoir. I have also 
 thought about unplugging the sensor wires
 and testing for continuity on the resevoir pins. I also wondered if 
 unplugging might reset something but probably
 not as this is pretty basic system and not a new computerized gizmo. I don't 
 think it is likely to be the parking
 brake as that part has worked flawlessly for the past 3 summers. I am 
 assuming it is just the float sticking or the
 contacts not being clean. The cd manual says the sensor is not removable so I 
 guess that I may have to probe inside
 with a piece of wire to see if I can make the float move. There is a rubber 
 cap over the sensor float rod and I
 assume it just pries off. I was a bit leery of doing so for fear that it 
 might then need the shoegoo treatment. I
 wondered if that part was available if needed. I like to avoid messing with 
 old rubber parts like that.

 Will start trying some things. So far, I have mostly just looked at it and 
 thought about it which has been alright
 because the brakes work fine and I know it is just the sensor contacts acting 
 up.

 Randy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Frederick
 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:02 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake light in the dash on 115 300D


 Those little floats sometimes sink.  Also, can you see fluid on the rear 
 chamber of the reservoir?  It can be
 difficult to fill the rear sometimes, you have to overflow the front side 
 into the rear, although I don't think
 that particular one is really bad.  Try unplugging the sensor wires -- if the 
 light goes out, the switch it stuck,
 the float is sunk, or, as in my brother's 300D, it fell off the pin and is 
 not floating beside it!  You will have
 to remove the cap that holds the sensor in, and I don't remember if it pries 
 off or screws off.

 And don't forget that the parking brake uses the same lamp.  Pedal might not 
 be all the way up.

 Peter




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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread LWB250
Yeah, and then there are those darn Quebecois, too.

grin

Aren't you guys going to let them secede and be done
with them?

grin

Dan


--- R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My concern is sort of the opposite. In Canada, we
 seem to have so many special benefits for minorities
 that we are
 the ones discriminated against. Our native people
 want to have separate programs for every conceivable
 thing. I
 cannot help but suspect that one day they will turn
 around and accuse us of segregating them.
 
 Randy
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
 andrew strasfogel
 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:31 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be
 green
 
 
 The best rememdy to counteract racist tendencies is
 to actually get to know
 people well who are different.  This was the biggest
 benefit I acquired from
 being a Peace Corps volunteer.  My contact with
 dark-skinned people on a
 daily basis illustrated to me how prejudiced I was
 without realizing it.  Up
 until then I had lived in a basically lily-white
 world and had very liberal
 leanings.  IMO, the experience of sending young
 Americans overseas yields
 more dividends to the USA than to the host
 countries.
 
 On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:26 PM,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sensitive people, delete this message now!!
 
  With that said, my grandmother used to call black
 people darkies
 
  My grandfather used to call them spooks
 
  No, they were not raciest, that was just how
 things were in their day.
  They didnt mean anything by it.  Now days, they
 would get shot or
  something for saying things like that
 
 
   Rich Thomas wrote:
  
   You can't say colored you have to say people
 of color.
  
   My grandmother learned that negro was
 politically incorrect and
   colored was the PC euphemism of the day. By
 the time she finally
   adjusted from colored to black, the PC crowd
 had moved on to
   African-American. I loathe all the hyphenated
 euphemisms. If you're
   going to label people, at least try to avoid
 calling natural born
   USA citizens African, European, or Asian.
  
   Mitch.
  
 
 
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[MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-07 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Just put 2 12 oz. cans of R-12 in my otherwise near-showroom '87 300D (108
kmi).
Stealer estimate to RR evaporator = $3100; indie estimate = $1900 -
$2400!

I need to borrow somebody's glycerin pills.

Yea, I know, Kaleb'll give me $500 for it.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley
Heck, I'll give ya $3k for it. 

Wilton Strickland wrote:
 
 'Just put 2 12 oz. cans of R-12 in my otherwise near-showroom '87 300D (108
 kmi).
 Stealer estimate to RR evaporator = $3100; indie estimate = $1900 -
 $2400!
 
 I need to borrow somebody's glycerin pills.
 
 Yea, I know, Kaleb'll give me $500 for it.
 
 Wilton
 
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[MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-07 Thread Wilton Strickland
$3k?  I'm thinkin', I'm thinkin.'

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] brake light in the dash on 115 300D

2008-05-07 Thread R A Bennell
I just spoke with a client who is a Porshe enthusiast and he suggested it may 
need to have the front brakes bled
too in order to re-set. Not sure that will apply to the MB but he says it does 
on his Porshe.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake light in the dash on 115 300D


I have that same problem after replacing the rear calipers and bleeding
everything.  I know front pads are good as I replaced them a year or two
ago, not many miles on them.  I fooled a bit with the reservoir but it
is still sorta half on and goes on/off.

--R

R A Bennell wrote:
 I believe there is fluid in the back part of the resevoir. I have also 
 thought about unplugging the sensor wires
 and testing for continuity on the resevoir pins. I also wondered if 
 unplugging might reset something but probably
 not as this is pretty basic system and not a new computerized gizmo. I don't 
 think it is likely to be the parking
 brake as that part has worked flawlessly for the past 3 summers. I am 
 assuming it is just the float sticking or
the
 contacts not being clean. The cd manual says the sensor is not removable so I 
 guess that I may have to probe
inside
 with a piece of wire to see if I can make the float move. There is a rubber 
 cap over the sensor float rod and I
 assume it just pries off. I was a bit leery of doing so for fear that it 
 might then need the shoegoo treatment. I
 wondered if that part was available if needed. I like to avoid messing with 
 old rubber parts like that.

 Will start trying some things. So far, I have mostly just looked at it and 
 thought about it which has been
alright
 because the brakes work fine and I know it is just the sensor contacts acting 
 up.

 Randy

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 Those little floats sometimes sink.  Also, can you see fluid on the rear 
 chamber of the reservoir?  It can be
 difficult to fill the rear sometimes, you have to overflow the front side 
 into the rear, although I don't think
 that particular one is really bad.  Try unplugging the sensor wires -- if the 
 light goes out, the switch it
stuck,
 the float is sunk, or, as in my brother's 300D, it fell off the pin and is 
 not floating beside it!  You will have
 to remove the cap that holds the sensor in, and I don't remember if it pries 
 off or screws off.

 And don't forget that the parking brake uses the same lamp.  Pedal might not 
 be all the way up.

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread R A Bennell
You would not want to get me started on that subject.

Randy

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Yeah, and then there are those darn Quebecois, too.

grin

Aren't you guys going to let them secede and be done
with them?

grin

Dan


--- R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My concern is sort of the opposite. In Canada, we
 seem to have so many special benefits for minorities
 that we are
 the ones discriminated against. Our native people
 want to have separate programs for every conceivable
 thing. I
 cannot help but suspect that one day they will turn
 around and accuse us of segregating them.
 
 Randy
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 andrew strasfogel
 Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 11:31 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be
 green
 
 
 The best rememdy to counteract racist tendencies is
 to actually get to know
 people well who are different.  This was the biggest
 benefit I acquired from
 being a Peace Corps volunteer.  My contact with
 dark-skinned people on a
 daily basis illustrated to me how prejudiced I was
 without realizing it.  Up
 until then I had lived in a basically lily-white
 world and had very liberal
 leanings.  IMO, the experience of sending young
 Americans overseas yields
 more dividends to the USA than to the host
 countries.
 
 On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:26 PM,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sensitive people, delete this message now!!
 
  With that said, my grandmother used to call black
 people darkies
 
  My grandfather used to call them spooks
 
  No, they were not raciest, that was just how
 things were in their day.
  They didnt mean anything by it.  Now days, they
 would get shot or
  something for saying things like that
 
 
   Rich Thomas wrote:
  
   You can't say colored you have to say people
 of color.
  
   My grandmother learned that negro was
 politically incorrect and
   colored was the PC euphemism of the day. By
 the time she finally
   adjusted from colored to black, the PC crowd
 had moved on to
   African-American. I loathe all the hyphenated
 euphemisms. If you're
   going to label people, at least try to avoid
 calling natural born
   USA citizens African, European, or Asian.
  
   Mitch.
  
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-07 Thread Peter Frederick
Foo, just plan on a long weekend of work and swap that puppy out.  Change all 
the servos too -- and you will have a new AC system!

It's quite fiddly, but nothing that requires an advanced degree.  Be careful 
not to break the switch bar above the pushbutton unit, and don't pinch the 
wires putting the heater box back in, and the rest of it is just sweat and 
swearing.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Redghost
As long as they are well armed, have body armour and AWAC, this is a  
great way to expose our youth to the wide world.  Get to know all  
sorts of people and see they are just as screwy as the folks back  
home.  Then you get home and wonder just how close is the good old  
USA to going bonkers like the rest of the world.  Thin veneer.  very  
thin veneer.  and much longer to fall

clay


On 7 May 2008, at 10:30, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 The best rememdy to counteract racist tendencies is to actually get  
 to know
 people well who are different.  This was the biggest benefit I  
 acquired from
 being a Peace Corps volunteer.  My contact with dark-skinned people  
 on a
 daily basis illustrated to me how prejudiced I was without  
 realizing it.  Up
 until then I had lived in a basically lily-white world and had very  
 liberal
 leanings.  IMO, the experience of sending young Americans overseas  
 yields
 more dividends to the USA than to the host countries.

 On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sensitive people, delete this message now!!

 With that said, my grandmother used to call black people darkies

 My grandfather used to call them spooks

 No, they were not raciest, that was just how things were in their  
 day.
 They didnt mean anything by it.  Now days, they would get shot or
 something for saying things like that


 Rich Thomas wrote:

 You can't say colored you have to say people of color.

 My grandmother learned that negro was politically incorrect and
 colored was the PC euphemism of the day. By the time she finally
 adjusted from colored to black, the PC crowd had moved on to
 African-American. I loathe all the hyphenated euphemisms. If  
 you're
 going to label people, at least try to avoid calling natural born
 USA citizens African, European, or Asian.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Rich Thomas
We can Hope that might Change!  Or Change what we Hope for?

I am so confused.

--R

Redghost wrote:
 As long as they are well armed, have body armour and AWAC, this is a  
 great way to expose our youth to the wide world.  Get to know all  
 sorts of people and see they are just as screwy as the folks back  
 home.  Then you get home and wonder just how close is the good old  
 USA to going bonkers like the rest of the world.  Thin veneer.  very  
 thin veneer.  and much longer to fall

 clay


 On 7 May 2008, at 10:30, andrew strasfogel wrote:

   
 The best rememdy to counteract racist tendencies is to actually get  
 to know
 people well who are different.  This was the biggest benefit I  
 acquired from
 being a Peace Corps volunteer.  My contact with dark-skinned people  
 on a
 daily basis illustrated to me how prejudiced I was without  
 realizing it.  Up
 until then I had lived in a basically lily-white world and had very  
 liberal
 leanings.  IMO, the experience of sending young Americans overseas  
 yields
 more dividends to the USA than to the host countries.

 On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Sensitive people, delete this message now!!

 With that said, my grandmother used to call black people darkies

 My grandfather used to call them spooks

 No, they were not raciest, that was just how things were in their  
 day.
 They didnt mean anything by it.  Now days, they would get shot or
 something for saying things like that


   
 Rich Thomas wrote:
 
 You can't say colored you have to say people of color.
   
 My grandmother learned that negro was politically incorrect and
 colored was the PC euphemism of the day. By the time she finally
 adjusted from colored to black, the PC crowd had moved on to
 African-American. I loathe all the hyphenated euphemisms. If  
 you're
 going to label people, at least try to avoid calling natural born
 USA citizens African, European, or Asian.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley


Peter Frederick wrote:
 
 Foo, just plan on a long weekend of work and swap that puppy out.

Good point. Didn't Wilton recently finish a beautiful grandfather clock?
As long as he can hold the shakes at bay, it might be feasible. If not,
K'leb will give him $500 for the pieces.

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread LWB250
Not to stir things up, but in the interest of being
better informed, what's the latest with those wacky
pseudo-Frenchmen?

Having traveled extensively in Quebec, I seemed to
find a wide range of attitudes towards the whole
thing, from hard-core right-wing rabid secessionists,
to those who don't really seem to give a darn.

Just curious...

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Jeff Zedic
Right now it seems as though they're hibernating againmust be
building up more foam.

We tried to get rid of the centuries ago when we forced the Acadians
out of here. They went to Loisiana and became the cajuns. I guess we
thought we'd share the pain.


Zedic

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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley
The Quebec secessionists are right-wing? I thought they were the ones
who found the rest of Canada too far right for their tastes. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Palm River Tennessee

2008-05-07 Thread R A Bennell
I would like to have that place. All I'd need is a ramp down to the cave big 
enough to handle vehicles. Great
storage and garage area.  Temperature and humidity controlled. Out of sight so 
the neighbors don't complain. It
would be perfect for Kaleb and his MB business.

Randy

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But look what they're doing in Tennessee

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[MBZ] 124 cooling (A/C) system

2008-05-07 Thread Wilton Strickland
--swap the puppy out--

For most of my adult life, I wouldn't have hesitated an instant to tackle
the evaporator swap, and I still may do it.  'Gotta think about it, study,
plan, etc.  I've always thought that, if I could have a jet engine and other
assorted aircraft (B-47) parts lying all over the hanger floor and put 'em
back together to work properly/safely, surely I could handle most anything
on a ground vehicle that cruises at only 60 to 70 knots.

I think I may do it.  I'll appreciate any and all tips.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green

2008-05-07 Thread Jeff Zedic
Yes, like most French peoples, they're pretty left...one of the things
I like about them!


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Re: [MBZ] RE; Hesitation through cascade mountains

2008-05-07 Thread Hendrik Fay
Does the vehicle have cruise control? The CC can produce feedback on the 
accelerator pedal.
However if working properly pushing down on the pedal will override the CC.

Hendrik

Dan Weeks wrote:
 On May 7, 2008, at 4:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 I was surprised to find the thing hesitating in that
 pulsating fashion I have observed before on the hill near our house.
 The Revs were not surging thankfully, so I rule out tranny. I think  
 that
 probably what I attributed to the transmission one night as I  
 ascended our
 steep road was not the trans. This is terrific news!!

 It seems the hesitation begins at about 3500 rpms. At first I had  
 the wife
 shift down to 3, but I realized this did not add any power and in  
 fact made
 things worse because it seemed to dislike the higher rpms.

 Also, and this is weird, the wife claimed she felt the throttle  
 pushing back
 at her foot as the power surged on and off.
 

 Brian:

 Check engine mounts? Weak engine mounts that allow the engine to rock  
 in its cradle can result in surging throttle. Your wife feeling the  
 pulsating in the go pedal made me think of this. Have not had this  
 occur in an MB, but have in other cars with bad motor mounts.

 Dan


   

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[MBZ] WAY OT - Re: Was Blue over Green - Now Beejeebers!

2008-05-07 Thread Chuck Landenberger
On May 7, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 We can Hope that might Change!  Or Change what we Hope for?

 I am so confused.

Here is a speech given by Dick Lamm, former governor of Colorado is  
2006.  I checked Snopes and it is TRUE!  Tell me this isn't SCARY and  
it is not happening NOW!
Apparently nobody was listening!

Be safe,

Chuck
~~
Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to  
scare the beejeebers out of you!
 We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado.  In that  
 context his thoughts are particularly poignant.  Last week there  
 was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC,  
 filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders.   
 A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis  
 talked about his latest book, Mexifornia, explaining how  
 immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire  
 state of California.  He said it would march across the country  
 until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.
 Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up  
 and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America.  The audience  
 sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of  
 the United States.  He said, If you believe that America is too  
 smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It  
 is not that hard to do.  No nation in history has survived the  
 ravages of time.  Arnold Toynbee observed that all great  
 civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would  
 show that all great nations commit suicide.'
 Here is how they do it, Lamm said:
  First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi- 
 lingual and bicultural country.  History shows that no nation can  
 survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more  
 competing languages and cultures.  It is a blessing for an  
 individual to be bi lingual; however, it is a curse for a society  
 to be bilingual.  The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it  
 this way:  'The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies  
 that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and  
 tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of  
 national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not  
 independence.  Pakistan and Cyprus have divided.  Nigeria  
 suppressed an ethnic rebellion.  France faces difficulties with  
 Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.
 Lamm went on:
 Second, to destroy America, invent 'multiculturalism' and  
 encourage immigrants to maintain their culture.  Make it an article  
 of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural  
 differences.  Make it an article of faith that the Black and  
 Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and  
 discrimination by the majority.  Every other explanation is out of  
 bounds.
 Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec'  
 without much effort.  The key is to celebrate diversity rather than  
 unity.  As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently:  
 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural  
 experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by  
 hegemony.  Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity  
 and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only  
 tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, I would  
 encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I  
 would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl  
 metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural  
 subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than  
 as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.
 Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the  
 least educated.  I would add a second underclass, unassimilated,  
 undereducated, and antagonistic to our population.  I would have  
 this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.
 My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big  
 foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money.  I  
 would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of  
 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack  
 of success was the fault of the majority.  I would start a  
 grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority  
 population.
  My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual  
 citizenship, and promote divided loyalties.  I would celebrate  
 diversity over unity.  I would stress differences rather than  
 similarities.  Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in  
 hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other.   
 A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical  
 precedent.  People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation  
 together.  Look 

Re: [MBZ] WAY OT - Re: Was Blue over Green - Now Beejeebers!

2008-05-07 Thread andrew strasfogel
The original WASPs must have had similar thoughts about the wave of Irish,
Italian and German immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th
centuries..

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On May 7, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
  We can Hope that might Change!  Or Change what we Hope for?
 
  I am so confused.
 
 Here is a speech given by Dick Lamm, former governor of Colorado is
 2006.  I checked Snopes and it is TRUE!  Tell me this isn't SCARY and
 it is not happening NOW!
 Apparently nobody was listening!

 Be safe,

 Chuck
 ~~
 Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to
 scare the beejeebers out of you!
  We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado.  In that
  context his thoughts are particularly poignant.  Last week there
  was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC,
  filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders.
  A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis
  talked about his latest book, Mexifornia, explaining how
  immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire
  state of California.  He said it would march across the country
  until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.
  Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up
  and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America.  The audience
  sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of
  the United States.  He said, If you believe that America is too
  smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It
  is not that hard to do.  No nation in history has survived the
  ravages of time.  Arnold Toynbee observed that all great
  civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would
  show that all great nations commit suicide.'
  Here is how they do it, Lamm said:
   First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-
  lingual and bicultural country.  History shows that no nation can
  survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more
  competing languages and cultures.  It is a blessing for an
  individual to be bi lingual; however, it is a curse for a society
  to be bilingual.  The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it
  this way:  'The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies
  that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and
  tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of
  national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not
  independence.  Pakistan and Cyprus have divided.  Nigeria
  suppressed an ethnic rebellion.  France faces difficulties with
  Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.
  Lamm went on:
  Second, to destroy America, invent 'multiculturalism' and
  encourage immigrants to maintain their culture.  Make it an article
  of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural
  differences.  Make it an article of faith that the Black and
  Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and
  discrimination by the majority.  Every other explanation is out of
  bounds.
  Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec'
  without much effort.  The key is to celebrate diversity rather than
  unity.  As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently:
  'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural
  experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by
  hegemony.  Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity
  and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only
  tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, I would
  encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I
  would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl
  metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural
  subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than
  as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.
  Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the
  least educated.  I would add a second underclass, unassimilated,
  undereducated, and antagonistic to our population.  I would have
  this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.
  My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big
  foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money.  I
  would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of
  'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack
  of success was the fault of the majority.  I would start a
  grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority
  population.
   My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual
  citizenship, and promote divided loyalties.  I would celebrate
  diversity over unity.  I would stress differences rather than
  similarities.  Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in
  hating each other - that is, when 

Re: [MBZ] WAY OT - Re: Was Blue over Green - Now Beejeebers!

2008-05-07 Thread Redghost
Reading this brought to mind the intent of the All Mighty when He  
smote those building the Tower of Babel.  The resulting inability to  
understand a group with such diverse languages resulted in the  
cessation of building of the great temple up to God.

at least if you buy into that sort of myth.

Figure there must be a bit of truth in the old book that we mistake  
and buy into whole cloth instead of looking and seeing that grain of  
truth that multicultural bull stuffing results in balkanization.

clay

On 7 May 2008, at 16:24, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 The original WASPs must have had similar thoughts about the wave of  
 Irish,
 Italian and German immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th
 centuries..

 On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Chuck Landenberger  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On May 7, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 We can Hope that might Change!  Or Change what we Hope for?

 I am so confused.

 Here is a speech given by Dick Lamm, former governor of Colorado is
 2006.  I checked Snopes and it is TRUE!  Tell me this isn't SCARY and
 it is not happening NOW!
 Apparently nobody was listening!

 Be safe,

 Chuck
 ~ 
 ~
 Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to
 scare the beejeebers out of you!
 We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado.  In that
 context his thoughts are particularly poignant.  Last week there
 was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC,
 filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders.
 A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis
 talked about his latest book, Mexifornia, explaining how
 immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire
 state of California.  He said it would march across the country
 until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.
 Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up
 and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America.  The audience
 sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of
 the United States.  He said, If you believe that America is too
 smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It
 is not that hard to do.  No nation in history has survived the
 ravages of time.  Arnold Toynbee observed that all great
 civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would
 show that all great nations commit suicide.'
 Here is how they do it, Lamm said:
  First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-
 lingual and bicultural country.  History shows that no nation can
 survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more
 competing languages and cultures.  It is a blessing for an
 individual to be bi lingual; however, it is a curse for a society
 to be bilingual.  The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it
 this way:  'The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies
 that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and
 tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of
 national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not
 independence.  Pakistan and Cyprus have divided.  Nigeria
 suppressed an ethnic rebellion.  France faces difficulties with
 Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.
 Lamm went on:
 Second, to destroy America, invent 'multiculturalism' and
 encourage immigrants to maintain their culture.  Make it an article
 of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural
 differences.  Make it an article of faith that the Black and
 Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and
 discrimination by the majority.  Every other explanation is out of
 bounds.
 Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec'
 without much effort.  The key is to celebrate diversity rather than
 unity.  As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently:
 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural
 experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by
 hegemony.  Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity
 and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only
 tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, I would
 encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I
 would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl
 metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural
 subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than
 as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.
 Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the
 least educated.  I would add a second underclass, unassimilated,
 undereducated, and antagonistic to our population.  I would have
 this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.
 My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big
 foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money.  I
 would invest in ethnic identity, and I would 

[MBZ] OT: world's largest police chase

2008-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley
Hirofumi Fukuda was chased by Osaka PD for running a red light, fleeing
and eluding, and the worst crime imaginable-assaulting a law enforcement
officer. 2,240 cops were involved in the two hour manhunt. I'm betting that
the chase would have involved fewer than 20 cops if he was wanted for a 
less serious offense, like murdering a peon. 

http://jalopnik.com/348917/

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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread OK Don
Guess I need to get Diesel compression tester after all --- can't have
too many measuring tools!

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:10 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Forgot to mention, that car had low compression on #1 when I had it, that
  was why it was stumbling when warm.


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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread Mitch Haley
I paid something ridiculous like $19.99 for the Harbor Freight one
with 20 or 30 adapters. 
Like this, but I swear it had a lot more pieces:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93644

OK Don wrote:
 
 Guess I need to get Diesel compression tester after all --- can't have
 too many measuring tools!
 
 On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:10 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Forgot to mention, that car had low compression on #1 when I had it, that
   was why it was stumbling when warm.
 
 
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 Norman, OK
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Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread OK Don
Well, it blows some white smoke while cold, none after it warms up 

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN
Charleston SC J63 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Forget what I said then, as blown head gasket at oil passage is supposed to 
 present as rough idle and increased blue smoke...

  Max

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax?

2008-05-07 Thread tom savage
Mitch Haley wrote:
 I guess I'm this month's Carfax sugardaddy.  Let me know if you need a
 report.
 
 My sister's looking at a very low mile Achieva. Dealer is a crook,
 wants way too much for it, but she thinks she wants the car. Dealer
 doesn't want her to see the title. I'm hoping carfax can kill the deal. 
 1G3NL52T7VM300104

Here's the pertinent bits, no red flags, rodbender follows:
07/15/1997  Ohio
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Akron, OH   Registered as
personal vehicle

07/29/1997  6,015   Ohio
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Akron, OH
Title #7701139663   Title issued or updated
First owner reported
Loan or lien reported

10/04/1999  23,000  Ohio
Inspection Station  Passed emissions inspection

10/01/2001  38,000  Ohio
Inspection Station  Passed emissions inspection

10/15/2002  49,000  Ohio
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Akron, OH
Title #7702540712   Title issued or updated
Registration updated when owner moved
the vehicle to a new location


Purchased:  2003
Where:  Ohio
Est. miles/year:---
Est. length owned:  7/28/03 - 10/16/06
(3 yrs. 2 mo.)

Date:   Mileage:Source: Comments:
07/28/2003  49,603  Ohio
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Akron, OH
Title #770212   Title issued or updated
New owner reported

07/30/2003  Ohio
Inspection Station  Passed emissions inspection

06/01/2006  Ohio
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Akron, OH
Title #7703647952   Title issued or updated
Correction to record

Purchased:  2006
Where:  Ohio, Michigan
Est. miles/year:---
Est. length owned:  10/16/06 - 4/8/08
(1 yr. 5 mo.)

Date:   Mileage:Source: Comments:
10/16/2006  Ohio
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Akron, OH
Title #7703763211   Title issued or updated
New owner reported

10/21/2006  59,675  Ohio
Motor Vehicle Dept.
North Canton, OH
Title #7602696544   Title issued or updated

03/27/2008  69,300  Ohio
Motor Vehicle Dept.
North Canton, OH
Title #7602971743   Title issued or updated
Dealer took title of this vehicle
while it was in inventory

04/08/2008  69,311  Auto AuctionSold at auction
in Michigan
Listed as
a dealer vehicle

Dealers routinely buy and sell millions of used vehicles at auction each 
year.

04/14/2008  Michigan
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Dimondale, MI
Title #226W1050499

 $6500 rodbender with new engine, probably a service history would
 be more revealing than a carfax:

Here's a sort-of service history:
Date:   Mileage:Source: Comments:
01/18/1991  241 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Roanoke, TX
Title #AF939013 Title or registration issued
First owner reported

03/06/1996  70,329  Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Title #AN581204 Title or registration issued

02/09/2000  Bridgewater Motor Works
West Bridgewater, MA
508-588-0220
www.bridgewatermotor
works.com   Vehicle serviced
Oil and filter changed chassis lubricated
Maintenance inspection completed

06/05/2000  Bridgewater Motor Works
West Bridgewater, MA
508-588-0220
www.bridgewatermotor
works.com   Vehicle serviced

08/31/2000  Bridgewater Motor Works
West Bridgewater, MA
508-588-0220
www.bridgewatermotor
works.com   Vehicle serviced
Front brake pads replaced

01/15/2001  Bridgewater Motor Works
West Bridgewater, MA
508-588-0220
www.bridgewatermotor
works.com   Vehicle serviced
Four wheel alignment performed
Manufacturer's recommended maintenance performed
Alignment performed

03/14/2001  133,000 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Taunton, MA Passed safety or emissions inspection

View what was inspected

05/21/2001  Bridgewater Motor Works
West Bridgewater, MA
508-588-0220
www.bridgewatermotor
works.com   Vehicle serviced

09/20/2001  Bridgewater Motor Works
West Bridgewater, MA
508-588-0220
www.bridgewatermotor
works.com   Vehicle serviced

01/23/2002  Bridgewater Motor Works
West Bridgewater, MA
508-588-0220
www.bridgewatermotor
works.com   Vehicle serviced
Antenna replaced

03/08/2002  Bridgewater Motor Works
West Bridgewater, MA
508-588-0220
www.bridgewatermotor
works.com   Vehicle serviced

03/14/2002  Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Taunton, MA Passed safety or emissions inspection

View what was inspected

04/10/2002  Bridgewater Motor Works
West Bridgewater, MA
508-588-0220
www.bridgewatermotor
works.com   Vehicle serviced

05/28/2002  Bridgewater Motor Works
West Bridgewater, MA
508-588-0220
www.bridgewatermotor
works.com   Vehicle serviced
Four wheel alignment performed
Manufacturer's recommended maintenance performed
Alignment performed
Front wiper blades/refills replaced

07/03/2002  Bridgewater Motor Works
West Bridgewater, MA
508-588-0220
www.bridgewatermotor

Re: [MBZ] 603 stumbles

2008-05-07 Thread OK Don
Thanks!  It should be accurate enough to measure the difference
between cylinders -

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I paid something ridiculous like $19.99 for the Harbor Freight one
  with 20 or 30 adapters.
  Like this, but I swear it had a lot more pieces:
  http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93644


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Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go)

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