[MBZ] In search of...G-05

[Mitch Haley]

Had a fun day trying to find G-05 for my 190E. None of the FLAPS would admit to 
being able to procure G-05. "our customers want that new universal stuff 
instead, so we don't sell G-05 anymore". Yeah, right. This is the same 
so-called 
universal crap you've been aggressively pushing for the last 2-3 years, and now 
you claim that the customers demanded it?

Found factory stuff at dealers and Rusty's, all in the $21-23 range. Rusty was 
cheapest and it comes in genuine MBZ bottles. Almost called Tom back to ask him 
the minimum quantity for free shipping when I thought of another possible 
source, the local Quaker State quickie lube.

Good news is that the oil change place had a 15 gallon barrel of "G-05". Bad 
news is that it's pink, and all they could tell me was that it was "G-05", they 
bought it from Quaker State, they kept it on hand for use in the newer Fords, 
and they'd sell it to me for $10 a gallon out the door. I bought two gallons, 
but I haven't heard of anybody selling BASF's G-05 formula with pink dye in it 
before. They had Dex-Cool also, and the stuff I bought was not their Dex-Cool. 
I 
can't find any reference to this stuff on Quaker State's web page.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[Luther]

mhmm, living the 21st century American Dream!  This attitude is of my 
generation
and was instilled in us by you old folk.  We do the minimal amount of work to
sustain life.  Way to be!

-- 
Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (279,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (181 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"


Quoting Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Mitch wrote: "You aren't trying hard enough, because some people get
> all that you mention above. Their financial standard of living is
> lower than yours, but they don't have to actually do anything to
> maintain that reduced standard once they get it set up. It's a lot
> harder than it was 30-40 years ago, you can't just sit on your ass
> and say "send me a check", but if you can get yourself certified
as
> disabled by the government, or if you breed like rabbits, you can
> still do it."
>
> You are right, I could go this way. But, I couldn't live with myself. 
> I have a brother in law who lives like this.  He and his wife live in
> a rent free apartment (attached to my in law's computer business.  He
> works a maximum of 10 hours a week.  They have two kids and one on
> the way. They get food stamps, WIC, free health care, welfare and
> every other free service they can. They mooch off of his parents (my
> in laws) and are a complete drain on everyone.  It doesn't bother
> them.  My father in law is the hardest working man I know.  He is a
> country preacher. He has served as a pastor of a church of 40 for
> more than 20 years. He gets a place to live and $400 a month. He pays
> the $400 back to the church as his offering.  He also works two other
> jobs. He used to work at a steel refinery until he hurt his back. 
> Instead of trying to get disability, he went to work at a grain
> company (which is only slightly less hard on him).  He also mows owns
> a VERY small computer repair business.  He is a decent man and really
> salt of the earth.  I don't know what happened to his kids.  I think
> people like my BIL who can work and just won't, should be removed
> from all assistance. If they don't want to work, fine. But, the rest
> of us shouldn't have to pay for it. Sorry for the rant. This just
> makes me very upset thinking about it.  I am godfather to their
> oldest child and it drives me crazy to see the kid learning that it
> is okay to be a slug and a leach. 
>
> Donald H. Snook
>



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Re: [MBZ] diesel prices

[Peter Frederick]

I paid $4.40 for the last tank of diesel at the small town Shell  
station last week.  Hopefully it will be lower yet this week, it was  
$4.95.

Peter

On Aug 18, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Well for the last several weeks, everytime I drive by the truck
>> stops, diesel has dropped another cent or 2.  Now its down to 3.95
>> here.  Still WAY too high but a step in the right direction
>
> Oil has been coming down, a little over $110/bbl today I think.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Now SST's - was B-58

[Peter Frederick]

If I remember correctly the Russians actually put them in scheduled  
service inside the USSR for a while.  They were retired because they  
burned too much fuel -- took a full 30 min of afterburner at full  
reheat to get up to altitude and speed, and that shortened the range  
too much (along with the usual Russian airplane maintenance, etc).

The TU is pretty snaz for 1968 -- variable pitch turbofan with duct  
burning reheat, and I believe variable pitch compressor first stage,  
too.

If  the Ruskies could every keep their aircraft stuck together and  
used rational tactics, they'd beat the pants off of us.  Good thing  
is that's not likely to change!  The Georgians shot down at least one  
Backfire bomber and a couple top of the line fighters last week.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Lock cylinder lube

[Peter Frederick]

No, WD-40 is a water dispersant, and turns into rubber cement with  
age.  NEVER use it for lubrication, it's not a lubricant!  It  
consists of propane, light kerosene, and a few linear hydrocarbon  
compounds and some ethers of some sort.  Does a great job of removing  
water from distributor caps and things like that, but the residue is  
VERY gummy!

I would suggest a "dry silicone" lubricant -- that is, a fairly long  
chain dimethy poly siloxane of some sort.  I used to have a bottle of  
Supelco SE-50, which is really a gas chromatography stationary phase,  
but it make a great dry lubricant.  Hard to pick up things coated  
with it they are so slippery.  I dissolves in hexane.

Peter


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[MBZ] cheerwine

[Gary Hurst]

i was in greensboro, nc in may with the family and figured a little bbq pork
was right for dinner.  while i ordered the usual "diet coke, light ice" our
waiter suggested that the youngin might like some "cheerwine."  i said he
could give her any kind of win he wanted, but if the kid threw up in the car
on account of it, i was coming back for him.

so the kid pronounces cheerwine to be the real deal, but i've never heard of
it or seen it, so i don't care.  i saw it in publix the other day, though,
so i bought a case.  can you say "diet cheerwine, light ice"?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[andrew strasfogel]

Intuition and a life of observing!  If you care to disprove my thesis have
at it!

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> And your source for "WAY outnumber" and "quieter" is?
>
> Chuck
> On Aug 18, 2008, at 11:32 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
> > Donald, surely you jest!  The Republicans WAY outnumber liberal
> > Dems in
> > the "filthy rich" class, but they are generally a lot quieter about
> > their
> > beliefs...
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Succinct writing

[andrew strasfogel]

I can only think of one other car in the class- Larry Ledbetter's tunis
bronze 250SE C.  Such a pretty car!
BTW, Bob Platz' car was in another class - a class by itself!

I really enjoyed perfectifying my car and was pleased with how it looked.
Incidentally, Bob Platz was also a judge so all my "tricks" under the hood
turning lemons into lemonade didn't fool anyone!
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> ROFLMAO!
>
> But, a thought did flash through my mind that I might start
> practicing on your email texts!
>
> Take care,
>
> Chuck
>
> PS - On your "loser's trophy" comment - How many in your class?  What
> was your competition? Keep in mind that Bob Platz is a "professional
> restorer and own of Precision Autoworks.   If you had been willing to
> pay him to restore the Cab, you could have/would have won, but at
> what cost?  IMHO, if you come in third behind two professionally
> restored cars - YOU WIN!  In concours competition, there is NO level
> playing field!  That is, until you get to Pebble Beach, Amelia
> Island, etc.
>
> C
>
> On Aug 18, 2008, at 11:28 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
> > It's never too late...
> >
> > BTW, I won a third place loser's trophy in the coupe category at
> > the annual
> > GWS-MBCA picnic and Concours.  Among other notables in attendance was
> > legendary restorer Bob Platz was there, who came along with his mind
> > bogglingly perfect restoration of a 1953 300C (?) Cabriolet.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Chuck Landenberger
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew,
> >>
> >> Thanks! & No!
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >> On Aug 17, 2008, at 6:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >>
> >>> Chuck's sparse narratives are an object lesson in how to write
> >>> clearly and
> >>> vividly with a minimum of wordy fuss.  Chuck - did you ever consider
> >>> teaching creative writing?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Lock cylinder lube

[TE]

Powdered graphite is the best lubricant for any type of locking mechanism,
provided that it does not have any sensitive electric circuitry  (e.g. car
locks with alarm, ignition, etc.).

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On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lock cylinder lube

Local locksmith advised WD-40 when we were having troubles with the
ignition lock on our Dodge Caravan.  Probably not bad advice; should
do a decent job disolving gunk, and it eventually evaporates almost
entirely, leaving a very light lube behind if anything.

Allan

"R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I recently got something similar from a locksmith to use on my house
> locks. We had a deadbolt that was not working correctly. It was a good
> quality double cylinder lock but 20+ years old. I wondered if it
> needed to be disassembled and cleaned or if there might be parts that
> needed to be changed or repaired. I took it into a local locksmith and
> asked if it was worth repairing or if I just needed to buy a new
> one. The fellow looked it over and tried the key in it and said
> basically that he doubted there was anything really wrong with it
> apart from needing to be lubed a bit. He recommended a bottle of oil
> that they had on the counter as being what they used. I don't recall
> the total cost but it was not much - under $10 if I recall - only a
> month ago so I should. They had aerosol spray cans of it or squeeze
> bottles. I bought the latter.
>
> It certainly seems to have worked well. No more problems with that
> lock and I did the other doors too. A little messy for a few days. Had
> to wipe the key off after locking or unlocking but so far so
> good. Have not tried it on the vehicles but might be a good idea.
>
> Randy
>

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Re: [MBZ] diesel prices

[Allan Streib]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Well for the last several weeks, everytime I drive by the truck
> stops, diesel has dropped another cent or 2.  Now its down to 3.95
> here.  Still WAY too high but a step in the right direction

Oil has been coming down, a little over $110/bbl today I think.

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycles powered by compressed air

[Allan Streib]

I'll pass on the compressed air.  It's just an energy storage
mechanism, probably less efficient than most and certainly quite
dangerous -- you thought the suspension springs held a lot of
energy...

I'm keeping a casual eye out for a good BMW R750.  Saw one the other
day on the road and thought it looked pretty nice -- simple yet
functional.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Lock cylinder lube

[Allan Streib]

Local locksmith advised WD-40 when we were having troubles with the
ignition lock on our Dodge Caravan.  Probably not bad advice; should
do a decent job disolving gunk, and it eventually evaporates almost
entirely, leaving a very light lube behind if anything.

Allan

"R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I recently got something similar from a locksmith to use on my house
> locks. We had a deadbolt that was not working correctly. It was a good
> quality double cylinder lock but 20+ years old. I wondered if it
> needed to be disassembled and cleaned or if there might be parts that
> needed to be changed or repaired. I took it into a local locksmith and
> asked if it was worth repairing or if I just needed to buy a new
> one. The fellow looked it over and tried the key in it and said
> basically that he doubted there was anything really wrong with it
> apart from needing to be lubed a bit. He recommended a bottle of oil
> that they had on the counter as being what they used. I don't recall
> the total cost but it was not much - under $10 if I recall - only a
> month ago so I should. They had aerosol spray cans of it or squeeze
> bottles. I bought the latter.
>
> It certainly seems to have worked well. No more problems with that
> lock and I did the other doors too. A little messy for a few days. Had
> to wipe the key off after locking or unlocking but so far so
> good. Have not tried it on the vehicles but might be a good idea.
>
> Randy
>

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Re: [MBZ] W201 190D Transmission vacuum diagram/advice needed

[Rick Knoble]

>> BTW, the www.PeterSchmid.com website seems to be missing.  Isn't there a 
>> 'way-back machine' trick to bring up a cache of old webpages?

This is it now.

http://www.peterschmidtransmission.com/

HTH,
Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] W201 190D Transmission vacuum diagram/advice needed

[Rick Knoble]

> BTW, the www.PeterSchmid.com website seems to be missing.  Isn't there a 
> 'way-back machine' trick to bring up a cache of old webpages?

Like this one?

http://web.archive.org/web/20071214234944/http://www.peterschmid.com/

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] CL dead?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

are you kidding?  I had no idea.  If so, pretty soon cl will be 
charging, or out of business

Redghost wrote:
> Ebay owns 25% of CL.  Some idiot sold his share to those evil bastids.
> 
> Not sure why all of a sudden the Seattle CL just dropped to a few  
> cars a day after Aug 1.
> 
> clay
> 
> On 18 Aug 2008, at 16:11, Rolf wrote:
> 
>> What do Ebay and CL have to do with each other?
>>
>> There are over 1400 listing in Atlanta on CL today.
>>
>> Perhaps people are less inclined to buy new cars these days.
>>
>> -Rolf
>>
>> Redghost wrote:
>>> Anybody else notice that the number of listings on CL for cars has
>>> vanished?  Looking at what used to be hundreds of listings a day and
>>> now there are two or three.  What gives?  FleaBay putting the screws
>>> on them so that nobody sells cars on there anymore?
>>>
>>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] CL dead?

[Mitch Haley]

Redghost wrote:
> Anybody else notice that the number of listings on CL for cars has  
> vanished? 

I saw that a week or two ago, then after a few days I navigated through the 
home 
page and everything was fine. Turns out that the cars used to be in "car", and 
now are in "cta". Compare these two search results for $3500 and cheaper cars 
in 
my area:
http://lansing.craigslist.org/search/car?maxAsk=3500
http://lansing.craigslist.org/search/cta?maxAsk=3500

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Re: [MBZ] stupid tranmission

[Tom Hargrave]

You are correct. Manual trannys suffer from other stupid failures at the
input side that auto trannys  don't suffer from, like worn out pilot
bearings and siezed throwout bearings and failed slave cylinders.

Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924

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Sent: 8/18/08 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] stupid tranmission

I guess the moral of that story is to smear the stub of the TC with 
NeverSeez when you put one together.

Never have this problem with real (manual) transmissions!
Subject should be: Stupid Automatic transmissions!

Too bad the lords of Montvale never want to give us a choice!

At 09:14 PM 8/17/2008, you wrote:
>When I had the tranny rebuilt in the SLC, I paid the shop to R&R it -
>and it was GOOD choice. They fought the torque converter for half a
>day to get it off the engine - the center protrusion (the right word
>escapes me now) was corroded in the end of the crankshaft. They did
>have the advantage of having the car up on a lift and used long pry
>bars.

Loren Faeth  


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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
> 
> Don't work, no money, get fat. Work hard, make money, stay skinny. What 
> a country!

We get a certain economic vigor from immigrants. They are more motivated than 
the average bear, or they'd still be sitting in the same place they were born.

Unfortunately, at least with Mexicans, the 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants 
often pick up the worst of the lower class American habits. I have no idea how 
many generations Ms Nunez's family was here, but if she's forty and her dad 
retired after 45 years at GM, she's a natural citizen of the USSA.

The original title to the NPR article was "For Some Ohioans, Even Meat Is Out 
Of 
Reach", which left me thinking "of course she can't reach it, her arm's too 
heavy to lift" and "it sure looks like plenty of some calorie source is in her 
reach". When you get into the details of the story, she has more free spending 
cash than a lot of taxpaying workers. She gets housing, $102 in food stamps and 
$637 in cash. Obviously, a 400lb manatee consumes more than $100 a month in 
food, but even if she pays $300 a month for food she's got about $440 a month 
after food, medical, and housing to pay for utilities, clothes, etc.

I know somebody who would gladly trade places with this cow. She works at 
WalMart, takes home about $800 a month after taxes, pays $500 a month in rent, 
and gets taken to the cleaners by medical care providers who would accept far 
less if insurance or medicaid was paying for it. Her idea of a good week is 
when 
she has $20 left over to put in her gas tank to drive to work on.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] CL dead?

[Kevin]

Because they changed their setup. They decided to break out whether it's 
by owner or by dealer in the link, which caused the links to change.

Update your bookmarks. And no, crazedlist hasn't updated this yet, but it
doesn't take a whole lot of thought to figure out a workaround.

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 04:29:47PM -0700, Redghost wrote:
> Ebay owns 25% of CL.  Some idiot sold his share to those evil bastids.
> 
> Not sure why all of a sudden the Seattle CL just dropped to a few  
> cars a day after Aug 1.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions

[mykd1]

If you are looking for a good auto loader than how about a Remington 1187. I 
used a customized version of the 1187 when I worked armed security the nuke 
plant. Smooth action and the kick wasn't to bad.


-Original Message-
From: LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 8:00 am
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions



Thanks for the suggestions, Mitch.

One thing I failed to mention was that given the choice, I would prefer not to 
have a pump action shotgun, if possible.  I realize the 870 is pump action, but 
I was using it as an example of a popular, inexpensive and readily available 
gun.

Any suggestions for a non-pump action shotgun?

Dan



--- On Sun, 8/17/08, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 8:25 AM
> LWB250 wrote:
> > I was giving some thought to finding him a decent
> entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and
> possibly hunting) with.  Mind you, I don't want to
> invest a large amount of money here, as he may decide
> it's not his thing after a while.  However, based on his
> level of interest and that we have a number of friends and
> acquaintances that shoot for both hunting and recreation, I
> suspect it's something he'll continue to do for a
> long time.
> 
> Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are good affordable
> all-around choices, as are 
> the H&R single shots if you don't need to shoot
> skeet or take multiple shots at 
> waterfowl. I'm slightly biased here, as I was presented
> with a Mossberg 500 on 
> my 12th birthday, and I think the tang safety on the
> Mossberg is better than the 
> crossbolt safety on the Remington.
> 
> Trap guns are single shots, often on over/under frames with
> a high rib taking 
> the space normally occupied by the top barrel. This is an
> affordable trap gun, 
> probably the only affordable trap gun:
> 
> http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/toppertrap.asp


  

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Re: [MBZ] CL dead?

[Redghost]

Ebay owns 25% of CL.  Some idiot sold his share to those evil bastids.

Not sure why all of a sudden the Seattle CL just dropped to a few  
cars a day after Aug 1.

clay

On 18 Aug 2008, at 16:11, Rolf wrote:

> What do Ebay and CL have to do with each other?
>
> There are over 1400 listing in Atlanta on CL today.
>
> Perhaps people are less inclined to buy new cars these days.
>
> -Rolf
>
> Redghost wrote:
>> Anybody else notice that the number of listings on CL for cars has
>> vanished?  Looking at what used to be hundreds of listings a day and
>> now there are two or three.  What gives?  FleaBay putting the screws
>> on them so that nobody sells cars on there anymore?
>>
>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycles powered by compressed air

[Christopher McCann]

the compressed air car people are using carbon fiber for the tanks and they 
claim that they split in a crash, not explode. 

CM



Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote:
> TRANSPORTATION: Future motorcycles could drive on air (08/18/2008)
> 

I'd like to see what they do to the tank to make it fail soft in a crash. Any 
commercially available tanks (think SCOTT or SCUBA) I can think of would fail 
explosively, and the 20 mile range version would have enough energy that the 
EMTs would never find half of the pieces of the rider.

If you name your company Zero Pollution Motors, I'll laugh at you and call you 
Hidden Pollution Motors. (although the name could be pretty close to accurate 
if 
you ran the air compressor from hydro, wind, solar, or nuclear generated 
electricity)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Now SST's - was B-58

[Chuck Landenberger]

Peter,

I defer to greater knowledge and did a google:

Results here:  http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/ 
FS-062-DFRC.html  A NASA website.  17 Tu-144's were built, 2 crashed.

Thanks for "suggesting" that I educate myself before I "open" my  
email "mouth"

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Aug 18, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> I do believe there were more than three -- NASA owns one, or did --
> refurbed by Tupolev a few years back and used for supersonic research
> work.  I believe it was taken out of service a few years later,
> before the Concorde was taken out of service as well.
>
> Quite a sight, one of those planes taking off, they look sort of pre-
> historic somehow!
>
> Peter
>
> On Aug 17, 2008, at 8:37 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Correction - without a TRACE of "wordy fuss".
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck's sparse narratives are an object lesson in how to write
>>> clearly and
>>> vividly with a minimum of wordy fuss.  Chuck - did you ever consider
>>> teaching creative writing?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Chuck Landenberger
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>
 Peter,

 Last fall, I went to Germany with the MBCA Factory tour.  Also
 made a
 stop at the Technik Musium at Sinsheim, not to far from Stuttgart.

 They have a Concorde and a Tu-144 on display on stilts - Full  
 size -
 Spiral staircases allow one to go to the interior of each plane.
 Three TU-144's were built, and two crashed.  They grounded this  
 one.

 The Tu-144 was dismantled in Russia and transported by barges.
 Quite
 a feat.   Many many cars and military equipment on display.

 Here is the link to the Sinsheim Musuem.  Unfortunately, it's in
 German.  But the pix are quite interesting.  The English version is
 still under construction.

  http://www.technik-museum.de/museum_sinsheim_deutsch.html

 Take care,

 Chuck
 Phoenix

 On Aug 17, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>
>
> Ditto for the SST, by the way.  Turns out it was physically
> impossible to build one that would do the job and make money,
> even at
> ten cents a gallon for fuel (what a joke that is today!).  The
> Concorde never made a dime -- and the Russians parked the
> superior TU
> 144 pretty fast due to horrendous fuel consumption.
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Re: [MBZ] CL dead?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well, if people are pissed off at one or the other, they will list on 
the one they are not pissed at.

Rolf wrote:
> What do Ebay and CL have to do with each other?
> 
> There are over 1400 listing in Atlanta on CL today.
> 
> Perhaps people are less inclined to buy new cars these days.
> 
> -Rolf
> 
> Redghost wrote:
>> Anybody else notice that the number of listings on CL for cars has  
>> vanished?  Looking at what used to be hundreds of listings a day and  
>> now there are two or three.  What gives?  FleaBay putting the screws  
>> on them so that nobody sells cars on there anymore?
>>
>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] CL dead?

[Rolf]

What do Ebay and CL have to do with each other?

There are over 1400 listing in Atlanta on CL today.

Perhaps people are less inclined to buy new cars these days.

-Rolf

Redghost wrote:
> Anybody else notice that the number of listings on CL for cars has  
> vanished?  Looking at what used to be hundreds of listings a day and  
> now there are two or three.  What gives?  FleaBay putting the screws  
> on them so that nobody sells cars on there anymore?
>
> clay
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[MBZ] 2.5 turbo fender?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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[MBZ] diesel prices

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well for the last several weeks, everytime I drive by the truck stops, 
diesel has dropped another cent or 2.  Now its down to 3.95 here.  Still 
WAY too high but a step in the right direction
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Re: [MBZ] CL dead?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have not noticed, but if anything, I would think it woudl be the other 
way aroud.  Ebay screwing sellers so they list on CL

Redghost wrote:
> Anybody else notice that the number of listings on CL for cars has  
> vanished?  Looking at what used to be hundreds of listings a day and  
> now there are two or three.  What gives?  FleaBay putting the screws  
> on them so that nobody sells cars on there anymore?
> 
> clay
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[MBZ] CL dead?

[Redghost]

Anybody else notice that the number of listings on CL for cars has  
vanished?  Looking at what used to be hundreds of listings a day and  
now there are two or three.  What gives?  FleaBay putting the screws  
on them so that nobody sells cars on there anymore?

clay

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Now SST's - was B-58

[Peter Frederick]

Oh, and by the way, the one that crashed at the Paris Air Show  
crashed not as a result of failure of the airplane, but as a result  
of a deliberate incursion into the flight path by a French fighter.   
NOT an accident, although I really don't think the fighter pilot  
expected the TU-144 to come apart in the air.

By flying directly into the flight path of the TU 144, the fighter  
caused the pilot of the TU  to "bunt" -- that is, pull up too  
sharply, stalling the engines and causing a severe temporary loss of  
power, leading to an aerodynamic stall at fairly low speed and  
altitude.  The recovery attempt resulted in a tail failure to from  
over-stressing the airframe in a desperate attempt to keep from  
pancaking.  Not a failure of design or execution of the airframe,  
it's very unlikely any aircraft would survive those conditions intact.

The flight path incursion was planned deliberately to make the TU-144  
look bad (remember, it was flying before the Concorde was ready) and  
there was significant interest in supersonic transport at the time,  
and there was no market for TWO SSTs.  I would presume the subsequent  
crash was NOT planned.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Now SST's - was B-58

[Peter Frederick]

I do believe there were more than three -- NASA owns one, or did --  
refurbed by Tupolev a few years back and used for supersonic research  
work.  I believe it was taken out of service a few years later,  
before the Concorde was taken out of service as well.

Quite a sight, one of those planes taking off, they look sort of pre- 
historic somehow!

Peter

On Aug 17, 2008, at 8:37 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Correction - without a TRACE of "wordy fuss".
>
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Chuck's sparse narratives are an object lesson in how to write  
>> clearly and
>> vividly with a minimum of wordy fuss.  Chuck - did you ever consider
>> teaching creative writing?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Chuck Landenberger  
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> Last fall, I went to Germany with the MBCA Factory tour.  Also  
>>> made a
>>> stop at the Technik Musium at Sinsheim, not to far from Stuttgart.
>>>
>>> They have a Concorde and a Tu-144 on display on stilts - Full size -
>>> Spiral staircases allow one to go to the interior of each plane.
>>> Three TU-144's were built, and two crashed.  They grounded this one.
>>>
>>> The Tu-144 was dismantled in Russia and transported by barges.   
>>> Quite
>>> a feat.   Many many cars and military equipment on display.
>>>
>>> Here is the link to the Sinsheim Musuem.  Unfortunately, it's in
>>> German.  But the pix are quite interesting.  The English version is
>>> still under construction.
>>>
>>>  http://www.technik-museum.de/museum_sinsheim_deutsch.html
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> Phoenix
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:


 Ditto for the SST, by the way.  Turns out it was physically
 impossible to build one that would do the job and make money,  
 even at
 ten cents a gallon for fuel (what a joke that is today!).  The
 Concorde never made a dime -- and the Russians parked the  
 superior TU
 144 pretty fast due to horrendous fuel consumption.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[Rich Thomas]

"The rising cost of food means their money gets them about a third fewer 
bags of groceries — $100 used to buy about 12 bags of groceries, but now 
it's more like seven or eight. So they cut back on expensive items like 
meat, and they don't buy extras like ice cream anymore. Instead, they 
eat a lot of starches like potatoes and noodles."

Both those women in the picture must weigh at least 300lb, so much for 
groceries being an issue.

I used to live in Dorchester, a part of Boston with a significant 
immigrant (recent, as well as the Irish and everyone else who came over 
and started at the bottom of the heap) population. There was a fruit/veg 
store there, kind of a warehouse thing, that always had good stuff 
cheap. I would go there and see these Caribs buying rice, beans, 
unidentifiable root things, and other stuff, very little meat. They were 
all skinny and in good health. There were some Haitians living across 
the street from me, 3 brothers bought a triple-decker (triple decka) and 
lived in it with their families, all worked 2 or 3 jobs and loved 
America for what they could do. Whenever I talked to them on the street, 
they would invariably go off on the lazy welfare types up the street 
(black, but these guys were blacker) who were fat, lazy, no-good 
criminals, etc etc. Definitely not PC, and the language they used would 
have gotten me shot! My next door neighbor was Cape Verdean, he had a 
little garden plot in back, grew weird stuff, and he had the same 
attitude. They were harsher than the Irish rednecks up the street, go 
figure.

Don't work, no money, get fat. Work hard, make money, stay skinny. What 
a country!

--R

Anyway, no reason

Mitch Haley wrote:
> In the low standard of living category, here's a woman who has never worked 
> in 
> all her 40 years. Everybody she knows is habitually unemployed too, yet she 
> was 
> raised by a man who worked his keester off in a car factory for 45 years and 
> tried to set a good example for her:
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92592545
>
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[MBZ] OT Ford truck issues again

[R A Bennell]

I HOPE I have finally resolved my truck issues. I should know right after 
dinner as I intend to pop in another COP
that I bought this afternoon. I posted earlier about my issues with a code for 
a bad coil on #2.

I assumed it might be related to the command start setup since I noticed a wire 
attached to the #2 feed that was
aftermarket and seemed related to the command start. However this was not until 
I had replaced the coil and then
swapped it to another cylinder to see if the code came back.  I removed the 
command start and re connected the
wiring. In the process I discovered that the wire running through the engine 
compartment to #2 coil appears to have
come into contact with something warm and melted a bit of the plastic cover off 
in a couple of places. I expect
that has permitted it to ground out. According to some literature on the 
subject, that probably fried the coil. If
that is the case, then this new coil should solve the problem. I sure hope so 
as this will be the 3rd coil fried by
that grounding. I assumed the first had gone bad and that the second was 
defective from the factory. Now I know
otherwise. They were likely both killed by this grounding out as was the 
replacement for the one I thought was
defective. Will check a bit with the meter before installing this new one but 
am essentially convinced that was the
problem. Sure hope so as I am tired of buying coils and I need my truck.

I like old vehicles like my 300D. Not much to go wrong. I wonder if I could 
live with a diesel wagon in place of
the truck. Might miss the 4 wheel drive in the dead of winter but all else 
would likely be fine.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions

[Curt Raymond]

If he sticks to 2 1/2 dram "Trap" loads flinch won't be much of an issue as 
long as the gun isn't real light, especially in an over/under because it won't 
be real light...

A 20ga with 3 dram loads will kick just as much or more than a 12ga with 3 dram 
loads because the gun will tend to weigh less...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:24:47 -0400
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At 08:17 AM 8/17/2008, Dan wrote:

>My son shot some trap, which he did exceptionally well at.  With 
>this in mind, I was giving some thought to finding him a decent 
>entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly 
>hunting) with.  Mind you, I don't want to invest a large amount of 
>money here, as he may decide it's not his thing after a 
>while.  However, based on his level of interest and that we have a 
>number of friends and acquaintances that shoot for both hunting and 
>recreation, I suspect it's something he'll continue to do for a long time.
>
>I was thinking about a Remington 870 as a good starter 
>shotgun.  Given a choice, I would prefer an over/under 12 gauge, 
>especially for trap shooting, but the 870 is plentiful, and a solid 
>gun that's moderately priced.

      I'd hesitate to buy a shotgun for someone else.  The balance, 
the way it comes up, the way it swings - those are going to be hard 
to predict for each shooter.  My $.02.  Maybe you could find a dealer 
who would sell you a used one of what feels best with the agreement 
your son can trade it for another on the rack of the same value 
within a week or two.

      Don't mean to rain on your parade.  I think you are right in 
looking for a 12 ga - they do everything better than the little ones, 
IMHO.  From what I have seen the biggest problem for new shooters is 
recoil. People tend to overdo it, get sore and start flinching.  I 
have found 12 ga over/unders to be punishing when fired for very 
long.  If it doesn't violate your aesthetics I would suggest a gas 
operated autoloader like the Remington 1100, or whatever they call 
them nowadays, to start with.

       Trap guns with the long barrels do make good waterfowl 
guns.  Kind of slow on upland game.  He needs a skeet gun too.

      Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

      Grace Slick originally wanted to name her daughter god but 
settled for China.


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[Chuck Landenberger]

Andrew,

And your source for "WAY outnumber" and "quieter" is?

Chuck
On Aug 18, 2008, at 11:32 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Donald, surely you jest!  The Republicans WAY outnumber liberal  
> Dems in
> the "filthy rich" class, but they are generally a lot quieter about  
> their
> beliefs...
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Succinct writing

[Chuck Landenberger]

Andrew,

ROFLMAO!

But, a thought did flash through my mind that I might start  
practicing on your email texts!

Take care,

Chuck

PS - On your "loser's trophy" comment - How many in your class?  What  
was your competition? Keep in mind that Bob Platz is a "professional  
restorer and own of Precision Autoworks.   If you had been willing to  
pay him to restore the Cab, you could have/would have won, but at  
what cost?  IMHO, if you come in third behind two professionally  
restored cars - YOU WIN!  In concours competition, there is NO level  
playing field!  That is, until you get to Pebble Beach, Amelia  
Island, etc.

C

On Aug 18, 2008, at 11:28 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> It's never too late...
>
> BTW, I won a third place loser's trophy in the coupe category at  
> the annual
> GWS-MBCA picnic and Concours.  Among other notables in attendance was
> legendary restorer Bob Platz was there, who came along with his mind
> bogglingly perfect restoration of a 1953 300C (?) Cabriolet.
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Chuck Landenberger  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Thanks! & No!
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2008, at 6:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck's sparse narratives are an object lesson in how to write
>>> clearly and
>>> vividly with a minimum of wordy fuss.  Chuck - did you ever consider
>>> teaching creative writing?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] stupid transmission

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, Im going to loosen the motor mounts and see if that will let the 
engine tilt back a little further.

Frederick W Moir wrote:
> Hi, All.
> The trans that was from the junkyard, for my (then) 190E '85 was an 
> absolute bear to get out from underneath. The T/C "nose' was rust 
> welded into the crankshaft. This being a J/Y car missing a few bits 
> on top and in front of the engine, it was easy to remove an engine 
> mount bolt and slew the motor a little. The trans then fell on me, 
> minus the T/C! The next half hour was used in prying the converter 
> out of the crankshaft without damage. Never again!
> Removing the tans from my 190E was simpler. Removal of the drive disc 
> to T/C bolts let me turn the starter against a large screw driver 
> between the bosses and thus break the grip of the rusted nubbin. The 
> trans with converter came out onto a jack and so on. All was in vain 
> though, the J/Y trans lasted a whole week. $75 down the drain.
> TTFN
> Fred Moir
> Gimmee a diesel! I've got Klatta on the brain!
> 
> 
>> At 09:14 PM 8/17/2008, you wrote:
>>> When I had the tranny rebuilt in the SLC, I paid the shop to R&R it -
>>> and it was GOOD choice. They fought the torque converter for half a
>>> day to get it off the engine - the center protrusion (the right word
>>> escapes me now) was corroded in the end of the crankshaft. They did
>>> have the advantage of having the car up on a lift and used long pry
>>> bars.
>> Loren Faeth
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions

[Curt Raymond]

I'll also vote for the Mossburg 500, I've got one too, I was 14 when I got mine 
though. I got a slug barrel for mine, handy little gun.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:25:43 -0400
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LWB250 wrote:
>
I was giving some thought to finding him a decent entry-level 12 gauge
shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly hunting) with.  Mind
you, I don't want to invest a large amount of money here, as he may
decide it's not his thing after a while.  However, based on his level
of interest and that we have a number of friends and acquaintances that
shoot for both hunting and recreation, I suspect it's something he'll
continue to do for a long time.

Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are good affordable all-around choices, as are 
the H&R single shots if you don't need to shoot skeet or take multiple shots at 
waterfowl. I'm slightly biased here, as I was presented with a Mossberg 500 on 
my 12th birthday, and I think the tang safety on the Mossberg is better than 
the 
crossbolt safety on the Remington.

Trap guns are single shots, often on over/under frames with a high rib taking 
the space normally occupied by the top barrel. This is an affordable trap gun, 
probably the only affordable trap gun:

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/toppertrap.asp


  
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Re: [MBZ] Lock cylinder lube

[R A Bennell]

I recently got something similar from a locksmith to use on my house locks. We 
had a deadbolt that was not working
correctly. It was a good quality double cylinder lock but 20+ years old. I 
wondered if it needed to be disassembled
and cleaned or if there might be parts that needed to be changed or repaired. I 
took it into a local locksmith and
asked if it was worth repairing or if I just needed to buy a new one. The 
fellow looked it over and tried the key
in it and said basically that he doubted there was anything really wrong with 
it apart from needing to be lubed a
bit. He recommended a bottle of oil that they had on the counter as being what 
they used. I don't recall the total
cost but it was not much - under $10 if I recall - only a month ago so I 
should. They had aerosol spray cans of it
or squeeze bottles. I bought the latter.

It certainly seems to have worked well. No more problems with that lock and I 
did the other doors too. A little
messy for a few days. Had to wipe the key off after locking or unlocking but so 
far so good. Have not tried it on
the vehicles but might be a good idea.

Randy

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When I started having trouble on my 85SD I went to the dealer and bought
a can of MB lock lube it was less that 20 bucks and has a spray nozzle
that fits into the key hole. I squirt my locks maybe twice a year. I
think the stuff is silicon based but really do not know what it is.(for
all I know its marvel mystery oil ;-o  ??).
It is one of the few things I ever got at the dealer. I bought some
weird socked head screws for my motor mounts there and that is about it.
When my little can of spray runs out I will go back and buy another. It
is convenient and it seems to work.

GL
Dallas Texas




On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 21:21 -0500, Tom Hargrave wrote:
> You can use 10W machine oil but do not use graphite lock lube. The graphite
> is conductive & can get into the switches & cause all kinds of problems.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
>
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> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:18 PM
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> Subject: [MBZ] Lock cylinder lube
>
> Can someone remind me what sort of lube we're supposed to use in door
> lock cylinders?  The battery died in my S420's key this weekend so I've
> been securing the car the old fashioned way.  This was fine until I used
> the trunk lock, possibly the first time it has ever been used.  It
> worked just fine but would not surrender the key, leaving me stranded 20
> miles from home.  I pulled the entire mechanism (which is an amazing bit
> of plastic clockwork) from the car, played with it and finally pulled
> really hard and it came loose.
>
> I guess the tumblers are stuck.
>
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[Donald Snook]

Mitch wrote: "You aren't trying hard enough, because some people get all that 
you mention above. Their financial standard of living is lower than yours, but 
they don't have to actually do anything to maintain that reduced standard once 
they get it set up. It's a lot harder than it was 30-40 years ago, you can't 
just sit on your ass and say "send me a check", but if you can get yourself 
certified as disabled by the government, or if you breed like rabbits, you can 
still do it."

You are right, I could go this way. But, I couldn't live with myself. I have a 
brother in law who lives like this.  He and his wife live in a rent free 
apartment (attached to my in law's computer business.  He works a maximum of 10 
hours a week.  They have two kids and one on the way. They get food stamps, 
WIC, free health care, welfare and every other free service they can. They 
mooch off of his parents (my in laws) and are a complete drain on everyone.  It 
doesn't bother them.  My father in law is the hardest working man I know.  He 
is a country preacher. He has served as a pastor of a church of 40 for more 
than 20 years. He gets a place to live and $400 a month. He pays the $400 back 
to the church as his offering.  He also works two other jobs. He used to work 
at a steel refinery until he hurt his back. Instead of trying to get 
disability, he went to work at a grain company (which is only slightly less 
hard on him).  He also mows owns a VERY small computer repair business.  He is 
a decent man and really salt of the earth.  I don't know what happened to his 
kids.  I think people like my BIL who can work and just won't, should be 
removed from all assistance. If they don't want to work, fine. But, the rest of 
us shouldn't have to pay for it. Sorry for the rant. This just makes me very 
upset thinking about it.  I am godfather to their oldest child and it drives me 
crazy to see the kid learning that it is okay to be a slug and a leach.

Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[TE]

In the interest of being accurate...


HAH!

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Andrew wrote: "Donald, surely you jest!  The Republicans WAY outnumber
liberal Dems in the "filthy rich" class, but they are generally a lot
quieter about their beliefs..."

I think you are incorrect about that. However, in the interest of being
accurate, I think it might be more accurate to say that the ultra-rich (who
come from old money families are liberals, whereas the rich republicans are
those that have earned their money.  Even this has exceptions (that support
my earlier contention), like Bill Gates and the Hollywood elite.

Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[Donald Snook]

Andrew wrote: "Donald, surely you jest!  The Republicans WAY outnumber liberal 
Dems in the "filthy rich" class, but they are generally a lot quieter about 
their beliefs..."

I think you are incorrect about that. However, in the interest of being 
accurate, I think it might be more accurate to say that the ultra-rich (who 
come from old money families are liberals, whereas the rich republicans are 
those that have earned their money.  Even this has exceptions (that support my 
earlier contention), like Bill Gates and the Hollywood elite.

Donald H. Snook



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[MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions

[Royce Engler]

Loren said.

For my $.02:

870 is hard to beat.

I had a winchester 1200 from the late 60s.  Everyone poo-pooed them but I
never had a problem.

Winchester Model 12 was always the standard of comparison, but they are
pricey.

If I were going to buy a shotgun now, I'd buy an 870.  Relatively cheap and
plentiful.  A good solid performer.


 Gotta go with Loren.  870 was my second shotgun (first was a bolt
action with a long barrel and full choke that I bought in high school).
Bought the 870 when I was a LTJG in the Navy and had access to Welfare and
Rec shooting ranges.  I've since inherited my Dad's 1100.  Gotta say I do
like the 1100, but I've shot a lot of skeet and trap with the 870.  Rock
solid and reliable, and available locally for $250 at Academy Sports.

Royce Engler


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[MBZ] seat repairs

[R A Bennell]

My car is a 76 300D - so a 115 model.

I did a repair job on the driver's side seat base a year or two back that has 
helped. I think I need to redo is
with some additional padding but all in all it turned out reasonably well and 
slowed the damage that was happening
to the cover of the seat from the springs. The spring box appeared to be 
alright so I tied carpet to the top of it
with zip ties and then padded that with the filler stuff. Can't recall the name 
of it but it is padding as
recommended in one of the online articles about rebuilding seats - obtained 
from WalMart. I was concerned about
trying to stretch the cover over it and ended up splitting it in 2 and that was 
my mistake. Now that it has packed
down some, the seat cover is a bit loose. I need to re do it with more padding 
and then it should be OK. I did not
put the pool noodles into the base as it did not really seem to need it.

Now I need to do the passenger side and I guess I will do it the same.

Is there any good reason not to try doing something similar with the back seat? 
I assume not but have not seen any
write ups on doing the rear seat.

Second question relates to the seat backs. The horsehair is falling out of the 
seat backs and the side bolsters are
losing shape at the bottom. Does anyone have a solution to seat back repair or 
is it just time to bite the biscuit
and order new ones? I have not looked but assume they are available.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[R A Bennell]

I'm in Canada where we are a fair bit more socialistic than the US of A. We pay 
taxes beyond what most in the US do
and much more than we used to. I don't recall the exact numbers but I believe 
the tax burden now is much greater
than it was in my father's time.

What really gets to me is what the government does with all that money. For an 
example, I used to live out at what
we now consider the cottage. It is in a very small town on Lake of the Woods 
south of Kenora. I left there in 1975
to go to University. When I lived there we had a Police station and at least 3 
fulltime local policemen year round
and additional policemen in the summer time when the tourist population 
increased. There was a police boat
stationed there that cruised the lake on a regular basis.

We also had a Natural Resources base with several game wardens that cruised the 
lake.

All of that is gone. There is no real presence of either force there now. I 
think the closest would be about 50
miles away in Kenora.

There are guard rails along the highway in spots where the ditch is deep. They 
are posts buried in the ground with
cables attached to them. When I was younger, these were all painted white and 
maintained regularly. I don't recall
seeing them in need of paint. Today, they don't bother to paint them and 
significant numbers of them are broken
off - likely by the snow ploughs in winter. They don't bother to replace let 
alone paint.

There is talk of taking out all the navigation buoys on the lake because they 
don't want to pay to maintain them.
If they do that, we will all have to have GPS with the local maps to avoid the 
reefs. I hope the underwater rocks
are marked well on the GPS maps.

Taxes are higher but basic services are gone. What the heck are they doing with 
all the money?

If I had to guess, I would say that they have promoted to the point where there 
are lots of upper management types
and no people left on the street to do the work. Lots of desk cops and highway 
engineers earning in excess of 6
figures moaning about the fact that they have no money to spend on the services 
their department is supposed to
provide.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:

> There is a third category that I am included in. 
 > I don't want to pay any taxes at all.  NONE.
 > BUT, I also want every service the government offers.
 > I know I can't have it that way...

You aren't trying hard enough, because some people get all that you mention 
above. Their financial standard of living is lower than yours, but they don't 
have to actually do anything to maintain that reduced standard once they get it 
set up. It's a lot harder than it was 30-40 years ago, you can't just sit on 
your ass and say "send me a check", but if you can get yourself certified as 
disabled by the government, or if you breed like rabbits, you can still do it.
If you want a high standard of living for doing nothing, have one kid with 
somebody whose income puts them in the $5k a month or higher child support 
bracket. You and one child can live quite nicely on $60k a year (or better yet, 
$6 million a year if you divorce Donald Trump) of tax free child support.

In the low standard of living category, here's a woman who has never worked in 
all her 40 years. Everybody she knows is habitually unemployed too, yet she was 
raised by a man who worked his keester off in a car factory for 45 years and 
tried to set a good example for her:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92592545

Some commentary on her situation:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/844982

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] OT

[R A Bennell]

When I go to car shows, I like to see examples of vehicles that are actually 
driven around and not just trailered
in for the event. If the vehicle is more perfect than when it left the factory 
I have no interest in it.

However, I should probably wash my poor old red car. I took it to the lake this 
past weekend and the bugs were
quite bad. Could hardly see out the windshield from Falcon Lake to Kenora. Went 
in for fuel, even though I didn't
need it, just so I could wash the windshield.

Am amazed at the way this old car runs. When I got it, I felt like I was 
abusing it at 60 mph. This weekend, I had
a hard time keeping it below 75 mph. It wants to go faster. I guess there is a 
lot to be said for the old "Italian
tuneup". It must have been carboned up from mostly short city trips when I got 
it.

Randy

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This was for my green 280SE 3.5 coupe, not  Donna's 300CD.

Randy, I appreciate your concern.  I honestly was quite happy to get a
bronze, because that was realistically the best I could have hoped for.  The
gold and silver medalist in my concours category (he brought TWO old
coupes) was an architect, a profession whose first letter is the same as the
word "anal".  ;)

How's THAT for sour grapes!

ALS




On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:01 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What exactly is "a third place loser's trophy"? Are you saying all but "the
> winner" are losers? If so, don't be so
> hard on yourself.
> Second Q - Was this with your "garage queen" or your wife's diesel?
>
> Randy
>
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>
>
> It's never too late...
>
> BTW, I won a third place loser's trophy in the coupe category at the annual
> GWS-MBCA picnic and Concours.  Among other notables in attendance was
> legendary restorer Bob Platz was there, who came along with his mind
> bogglingly perfect restoration of a 1953 300C (?) Cabriolet.
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Thanks! & No!
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > On Aug 17, 2008, at 6:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >
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> > > teaching creative writing?
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Re: [MBZ] stupid transmission

[Frederick W Moir]

Hi, All.
The trans that was from the junkyard, for my (then) 190E '85 was an 
absolute bear to get out from underneath. The T/C "nose' was rust 
welded into the crankshaft. This being a J/Y car missing a few bits 
on top and in front of the engine, it was easy to remove an engine 
mount bolt and slew the motor a little. The trans then fell on me, 
minus the T/C! The next half hour was used in prying the converter 
out of the crankshaft without damage. Never again!
Removing the tans from my 190E was simpler. Removal of the drive disc 
to T/C bolts let me turn the starter against a large screw driver 
between the bosses and thus break the grip of the rusted nubbin. The 
trans with converter came out onto a jack and so on. All was in vain 
though, the J/Y trans lasted a whole week. $75 down the drain.
TTFN
Fred Moir
Gimmee a diesel! I've got Klatta on the brain!


>At 09:14 PM 8/17/2008, you wrote:
> >When I had the tranny rebuilt in the SLC, I paid the shop to R&R it -
> >and it was GOOD choice. They fought the torque converter for half a
> >day to get it off the engine - the center protrusion (the right word
> >escapes me now) was corroded in the end of the crankshaft. They did
> >have the advantage of having the car up on a lift and used long pry
> >bars.
>
>Loren Faeth


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Re: [MBZ] OT

[andrew strasfogel]

This was for my green 280SE 3.5 coupe, not  Donna's 300CD.

Randy, I appreciate your concern.  I honestly was quite happy to get a
bronze, because that was realistically the best I could have hoped for.  The
gold and silver medalist in my concours category (he brought TWO old
coupes) was an architect, a profession whose first letter is the same as the
word "anal".  ;)

How's THAT for sour grapes!

ALS




On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:01 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What exactly is "a third place loser's trophy"? Are you saying all but "the
> winner" are losers? If so, don't be so
> hard on yourself.
> Second Q - Was this with your "garage queen" or your wife's diesel?
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT
>
>
> It's never too late...
>
> BTW, I won a third place loser's trophy in the coupe category at the annual
> GWS-MBCA picnic and Concours.  Among other notables in attendance was
> legendary restorer Bob Platz was there, who came along with his mind
> bogglingly perfect restoration of a 1953 300C (?) Cabriolet.
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Thanks! & No!
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > On Aug 17, 2008, at 6:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >
> > > Chuck's sparse narratives are an object lesson in how to write
> > > clearly and
> > > vividly with a minimum of wordy fuss.  Chuck - did you ever consider
> > > teaching creative writing?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] stupid tranmission

[Loren Faeth]

I guess the moral of that story is to smear the stub of the TC with 
NeverSeez when you put one together.

Never have this problem with real (manual) transmissions!
Subject should be: Stupid Automatic transmissions!

Too bad the lords of Montvale never want to give us a choice!

At 09:14 PM 8/17/2008, you wrote:
>When I had the tranny rebuilt in the SLC, I paid the shop to R&R it -
>and it was GOOD choice. They fought the torque converter for half a
>day to get it off the engine - the center protrusion (the right word
>escapes me now) was corroded in the end of the crankshaft. They did
>have the advantage of having the car up on a lift and used long pry
>bars.

Loren Faeth  


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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[Redghost]

Bill Gates and his father are not poor or republican.  They want to  
do away with any sort of tax relief for those who they feel should be  
returning the wealth to show gratitude for all they have been blessed  
with.

What this does end up doing is killing the family business that now  
has to liquidate upon the death of the founder, and the children and  
grandchildren are no longer able to continue the farm, the store, or  
the transportation company.  Sell off the business before you die and  
Bill and Bill Sr. can rake in cash buying or doing the legal leg work  
on the deal.

There are a bunch of M$ millionaires who give lavishly to causes.   
Taxes are another story for them though.  Grubbing and scraping to  
not pay their share of infrastructure fees for the mcmansions and  
trouble they cause here.

clay

On 18 Aug 2008, at 11:32, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Donald, surely you jest!  The Republicans WAY outnumber liberal  
> Dems in
> the "filthy rich" class, but they are generally a lot quieter about  
> their
> beliefs...
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> Rich wrote: "So, these are 2 kinds of people who generally become  
>> polarized
>> around their valid belief systems, and neither kind is gonna  
>> change the
>> minds of the other though it does lead to lots of effort to try to  
>> do so.  I
>> have thought a lot about why a person falls into one camp or the  
>> other (or
>> actively somewhere in between) and have some clues, but nothing  
>> definitive.
>>  (I note that some liberal friends of mine who have moved up into the
>> Alternative Minimum Tax realm are rapidly developing more  
>> conservative
>> thoughts when that little surprise bites them, or their wives like  
>> to spend
>> that "excess" money on various things, or both.)"
>>
>> There is a third category that I am included in.  I don't want to  
>> pay any
>> taxes at all.  NONE.  BUT, I also want every service the  
>> government offers.
>>  I know I can't have it that way, but I really hate paying more  
>> than a third
>> of my money to the government.
>>
>> (P.S. I am not really serious about not wanting to pay any taxes.  
>> I do
>> think we need schools, and roads, and bridges, and social  
>> services, But I
>> sure do wish I could pay less.
>>
>> I also think there are not that many barely rich liberals out  
>> there.  The
>> barely upper middle and the barely rich are the folks who are hit  
>> hardest
>> with taxes.  The ultra rich can invest in ways that keep them from  
>> paying
>> taxes.  Have you ever noticed some of the most liberal people  
>> around are
>> also the richest?  George Soros, the Kennedy's, Heinz, Edwards,  
>> etc.  They
>> want higher taxes, but take a look at Edwards investments.  He is  
>> HEAVILY
>> invested in tax free bonds.
>>
>> Donald H. Snook
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT

[R A Bennell]

What exactly is "a third place loser's trophy"? Are you saying all but "the 
winner" are losers? If so, don't be so
hard on yourself.
Second Q - Was this with your "garage queen" or your wife's diesel?

Randy

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It's never too late...

BTW, I won a third place loser's trophy in the coupe category at the annual
GWS-MBCA picnic and Concours.  Among other notables in attendance was
legendary restorer Bob Platz was there, who came along with his mind
bogglingly perfect restoration of a 1953 300C (?) Cabriolet.

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Thanks! & No!
>
> Chuck
>
> On Aug 17, 2008, at 6:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
> > Chuck's sparse narratives are an object lesson in how to write
> > clearly and
> > vividly with a minimum of wordy fuss.  Chuck - did you ever consider
> > teaching creative writing?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions

[Loren Faeth]

For my $.02:

870 is hard to beat.

I had a winchester 1200 from the late 60s.  Everyone poo-pooed them 
but I never had a problem.

Winchester Model 12 was always the standard of comparison, but they are pricey.

If I were going to buy a shotgun now, I'd buy an 870.  Relatively 
cheap and plentiful.  A good solid performer.


At 07:17 AM 8/17/2008, you wrote:
>The youngster and I spent a day last weekend with one of my partners 
>who is a lifetime member of the NRA.  We shot a number of different 
>guns, ranging from a vintage "six shooter", a .38 magnum, an SKS, 
>and a couple of different Ruger shotguns.
>
>My son shot some trap, which he did exceptionally well at.  With 
>this in mind, I was giving some thought to finding him a decent 
>entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly 
>hunting) with.  Mind you, I don't want to invest a large amount of 
>money here, as he may decide it's not his thing after a 
>while.  However, based on his level of interest and that we have a 
>number of friends and acquaintances that shoot for both hunting and 
>recreation, I suspect it's something he'll continue to do for a long time.
>
>I was thinking about a Remington 870 as a good starter 
>shotgun.  Given a choice, I would prefer an over/under 12 gauge, 
>especially for trap shooting, but the 870 is plentiful, and a solid 
>gun that's moderately priced.
>
>Anyone have any other suggestions?
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[Allan Streib]

"Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> (P.S. I am not really serious about not wanting to pay any taxes. I do
> think we need schools, and roads, and bridges, and social services, But I
> sure do wish I could pay less.

Many of these things you mention could be provided by the private sector
(or at least by local gov't), much more economically than the federal
gov't can.

Allan
--
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[andrew strasfogel]

Donald, surely you jest!  The Republicans WAY outnumber liberal Dems in
the "filthy rich" class, but they are generally a lot quieter about their
beliefs...

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rich wrote: "So, these are 2 kinds of people who generally become polarized
> around their valid belief systems, and neither kind is gonna change the
> minds of the other though it does lead to lots of effort to try to do so.  I
> have thought a lot about why a person falls into one camp or the other (or
> actively somewhere in between) and have some clues, but nothing definitive.
>  (I note that some liberal friends of mine who have moved up into the
> Alternative Minimum Tax realm are rapidly developing more conservative
> thoughts when that little surprise bites them, or their wives like to spend
> that "excess" money on various things, or both.)"
>
> There is a third category that I am included in.  I don't want to pay any
> taxes at all.  NONE.  BUT, I also want every service the government offers.
>  I know I can't have it that way, but I really hate paying more than a third
> of my money to the government.
>
> (P.S. I am not really serious about not wanting to pay any taxes. I do
> think we need schools, and roads, and bridges, and social services, But I
> sure do wish I could pay less.
>
> I also think there are not that many barely rich liberals out there.  The
> barely upper middle and the barely rich are the folks who are hit hardest
> with taxes.  The ultra rich can invest in ways that keep them from paying
> taxes.  Have you ever noticed some of the most liberal people around are
> also the richest?  George Soros, the Kennedy's, Heinz, Edwards, etc.  They
> want higher taxes, but take a look at Edwards investments.  He is HEAVILY
> invested in tax free bonds.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT

[andrew strasfogel]

It's never too late...

BTW, I won a third place loser's trophy in the coupe category at the annual
GWS-MBCA picnic and Concours.  Among other notables in attendance was
legendary restorer Bob Platz was there, who came along with his mind
bogglingly perfect restoration of a 1953 300C (?) Cabriolet.

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Thanks! & No!
>
> Chuck
>
> On Aug 17, 2008, at 6:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
> > Chuck's sparse narratives are an object lesson in how to write
> > clearly and
> > vividly with a minimum of wordy fuss.  Chuck - did you ever consider
> > teaching creative writing?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[Donald Snook]

Rich wrote: "So, these are 2 kinds of people who generally become polarized 
around their valid belief systems, and neither kind is gonna change the minds 
of the other though it does lead to lots of effort to try to do so.  I have 
thought a lot about why a person falls into one camp or the other (or actively 
somewhere in between) and have some clues, but nothing definitive.  (I note 
that some liberal friends of mine who have moved up into the Alternative 
Minimum Tax realm are rapidly developing more conservative thoughts when that 
little surprise bites them, or their wives like to spend that "excess" money on 
various things, or both.)"

There is a third category that I am included in.  I don't want to pay any taxes 
at all.  NONE.  BUT, I also want every service the government offers.  I know I 
can't have it that way, but I really hate paying more than a third of my money 
to the government.

(P.S. I am not really serious about not wanting to pay any taxes. I do think we 
need schools, and roads, and bridges, and social services, But I sure do wish I 
could pay less.

I also think there are not that many barely rich liberals out there.  The 
barely upper middle and the barely rich are the folks who are hit hardest with 
taxes.  The ultra rich can invest in ways that keep them from paying taxes.  
Have you ever noticed some of the most liberal people around are also the 
richest?  George Soros, the Kennedy's, Heinz, Edwards, etc.  They want higher 
taxes, but take a look at Edwards investments.  He is HEAVILY invested in tax 
free bonds.

Donald H. Snook



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[MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes

[Rich Thomas]

There are some people who believe it is right and just for the 
government to take money in taxes from people who have more money, and 
give it to those who have less money through various programs, grants, 
tax breaks, whatever.  That is their belief system.

There are some who believe it is right and just for those who have more 
money not to have the government penalize them for their financial 
success to support those who are not as successful.  (I think most of 
those people also believe that some amount of tax-based redistribution 
is reasonable to help people who have problems, but most of those also 
believe that most everyone can go work and make more money if they 
invest in education, work, etc. and not being dumbasses about a bunch of 
things that impede them from financial success.)  That is an equally 
valid belief system.

There are a whole bunch who are somewhere in the middle, grumble and 
complain on April 15, but don't do much or think too much about it.

So, these are 2 kinds of people who generally become polarized around 
their valid belief systems, and neither kind is gonna change the minds 
of the other though it does lead to lots of effort to try to do so.  I 
have thought a lot about why a person falls into one camp or the other 
(or actively somewhere in between) and have some clues, but nothing 
definitive.  (I note that some liberal friends of mine who have moved up 
into the Alternative Minimum Tax realm are rapidly developing more 
conservative thoughts when that little surprise bites them, or their 
wives like to spend that "excess" money on various things, or both.)

-R

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> I don't feel that paying taxes to the government for services is an
> unreasonable infringement of my freedom.  I also don't mind that my tax
> dollars are somewhat higher than they might otherwise be because
> they help others less fortunate than I who aren't reached by private
> charities.  There are other democracies (all of western Europe, Australia
> and NZ, etc.) who may tax their citizens at a higher rate but are
> nonetheless no worse off than we are and in fact may be delightful places to
> live permanently.
>
> BTW, if you want to maintain a reasonably "civilized" discourse hold off on
> the personal innuendo.
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>> 
>>> Not really, although if you provide some examples I could answer more
>>> definitively.
>>>   
>> You want me to tell you what countries you were talking about when you said
>> the
>> USSA was undertaxed compared to civilized nations?
>>
>> If a country has even more taxes than ours does, then the either socialist
>> mommy
>> state is more prevalent there, or the taxpayers aren't getting their
>> money's
>> worth, or both. I just don't see how higher taxes could be an admirable
>> trait,
>> unless it's a Socialist or Communist who's doing the admiring.
>>
>>
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycles powered by compressed air

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> TRANSPORTATION: Future motorcycles could drive on air (08/18/2008)
> 

I'd like to see what they do to the tank to make it fail soft in a crash. Any 
commercially available tanks (think SCOTT or SCUBA) I can think of would fail 
explosively, and the 20 mile range version would have enough energy that the 
EMTs would never find half of the pieces of the rider.

If you name your company Zero Pollution Motors, I'll laugh at you and call you 
Hidden Pollution Motors. (although the name could be pretty close to accurate 
if 
you ran the air compressor from hydro, wind, solar, or nuclear generated 
electricity)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Potential engine rebuild

[R Wasser]

Thanks Tom I will keep your suggestion in mind regarding the injectors.
Probably will take them to the injector shop as part of the process. As far
as Donalds suggestion regarding a replacement engine, I'm wondering what
that might cost? I recall hearing prices for a crate engine at $6k and up.
Anyone have a line on a used engine? My Indy is very confident in his
rebuilder. Guy charges around $1400 plus parts. Then I'd have to pay my Indy
the labor to pull and install the engine.

Ralph Wasserbaech
2001 E320 wagon
1990 300D
1987 300TD
1983 300CD
1983 300TD (parts car)
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Re: [MBZ] 225 mpg DIY diesel hybrid

[Mitch Haley]

> http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/08/16/video-225-mpg-diy-diesel-hybrid-on-the-road-kit-version-coming/

When I first saw the picture, I thought of Mechanix Illustrated's trike from 
the 
late 1970's, but the pic of the frame looks like it's a new design. The MI car 
had the back end of a motorcycle in it so you wouldn't have to fabricate a rear 
suspension.


I suspect if you let Joe Average drive it, he'll complain that it's too slow 
and 
get a little better mpg than a Honda Insight, maybe 80mpg if he's lucky.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Combination switch

[Jim Cathey]

Per request, I photographed the combination switch so as to highlight
the way it opens.  On the upper sides of the plastic body are two
plastic bails that have to be bent away from the contact-carrying
plastic 'plug' more or less simultaneously.  If you do this right and
the bails don't break, the plug swings up and out on its wires,
exposing the guts for cleaning.  There is a little spring hooked
between two pegs buried in amongst the terminal lugs, don't lose that
and make sure you hook it back up.  (It's what puts spring tension on
the headlight switch contacts, and the switch won't work right without
it.)  You don't necessarily have to open up the switch to clean the
headlight contacts, if you look around it you can see where they are
exposed at one side.  (Problems with the turn signal contacts would
probably require it to be opened.)  The switch is actually much
simpler than it appears, half of the terminal lugs on it are just
dummies that are there to join the cable to the wires that go up the
switch stalk for the wiper switches.

I then cleaned the switch contacts and snapped the switch back
together.  The date code on the switch indicates that it is probably
the original unit.  Reinstalling the switch was surprisingly
difficult, and it wasn't the usual problem of getting the connectors
threaded back through the steering column.  The knot of the main
wiring harness was sufficiently in the way of the big connector that I
couldn't get them mated again, I had to remove the female connector
from its chassis mount in order to mate them, then I could snap them
back into the slot in the bracket.  At that point it was easy to put
the rest back together.  From appearances the turn signal release tab
on the steering column is physically centered, so I don't think I need
to do anything there.  I did plug the warning module back in and it's
time to start putting everything back together, but I was (again) out
of time this morning.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT

[Chuck Landenberger]

Andrew,

Thanks! & No!

Chuck

On Aug 17, 2008, at 6:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Chuck's sparse narratives are an object lesson in how to write  
> clearly and
> vividly with a minimum of wordy fuss.  Chuck - did you ever consider
> teaching creative writing?
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Plugs

[R A Bennell]

My recent experience with plugs is that one should buy from the dealer and put 
back in what the factory installed.
I had no end of trouble with aftermarket plugs in our 4Runner and the advice on 
the Ford forum indicates folks have
been happier with Motorcraft in the Ford trucks. My brother in law is a 
mechanic and he says he has no respect for
Champion any more. Cost at the dealer isn't usually much more than anywhere 
else on the plugs.

Randy

-Original Message-
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Subject: [MBZ] Plugs


What brand of spark plugs should I use in my Volvo.  NGK, Champion, Autolite, 
or AC Delco.  The price difference is
negligible.  I have no idea what Volvo uses.

Donald H. Snook


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[MBZ] OT: Motorcycles powered by compressed air

[andrew strasfogel]

TRANSPORTATION: Future motorcycles could drive on air (08/18/2008)

Taiwanese researchers are experimenting with a new vehicle that is propelled
by compressed air instead of traditional hydrocarbon fuels.

The current prototype has a 2.5-gallon tank for compressed air that could
carry a rider for three-quarters of a mile, but the researchers say the
final model's tank will be enlarged to three to four times its current size,
and its pressure will be increased, as well, giving the bike a range of
almost 20 miles.

While the bike itself would have zero emissions, its carbon neutrality would
depend on the source of the electricity it uses to compress the air, they
said in a report published in the journal *Applied Energy*.

Separate researchers at the company Zero Pollution Motors are developing
compressed air-biofuel hybrid cars that they say could operate at more than
100 miles per gallon.

Zero Pollution Motors plans to build a plant to manufacture the cars
beginning in late 2010 or early 2011 (Jessica Marshall, Discovery
News,
Aug. 14). *-- PR*
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Re: [MBZ] overpriced euro many wagon

[andrew strasfogel]

I don't feel that paying taxes to the government for services is an
unreasonable infringement of my freedom.  I also don't mind that my tax
dollars are somewhat higher than they might otherwise be because
they help others less fortunate than I who aren't reached by private
charities.  There are other democracies (all of western Europe, Australia
and NZ, etc.) who may tax their citizens at a higher rate but are
nonetheless no worse off than we are and in fact may be delightful places to
live permanently.

BTW, if you want to maintain a reasonably "civilized" discourse hold off on
the personal innuendo.
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> andrew strasfogel wrote:
> > Not really, although if you provide some examples I could answer more
> > definitively.
>
> You want me to tell you what countries you were talking about when you said
> the
> USSA was undertaxed compared to civilized nations?
>
> If a country has even more taxes than ours does, then the either socialist
> mommy
> state is more prevalent there, or the taxpayers aren't getting their
> money's
> worth, or both. I just don't see how higher taxes could be an admirable
> trait,
> unless it's a Socialist or Communist who's doing the admiring.
>
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Combination switch

[Jim Cathey]

> How about a picture of it open so we can see where the snaps are 
> placed?

OK, I put one on my web site.  See the (current) end of:

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSL2log.html

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 225 mpg DIY diesel hybrid

[andrew strasfogel]

Don't you just love these concept cars?  They are the greatest thing since
sliced bread but never seem to get produced commercially...

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/08/16/video-225-mpg-diy-diesel-hybrid-on-the-road-kit-version-coming/
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] overpriced euro many wagon

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> Not really, although if you provide some examples I could answer more
> definitively.

You want me to tell you what countries you were talking about when you said the 
USSA was undertaxed compared to civilized nations?

If a country has even more taxes than ours does, then the either socialist 
mommy 
state is more prevalent there, or the taxpayers aren't getting their money's 
worth, or both. I just don't see how higher taxes could be an admirable trait, 
unless it's a Socialist or Communist who's doing the admiring.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Potential engine rebuild

[Donald Snook]

Ralph wrote: "My '90 2.5L turbo is in serious need of a head gasket. It is also 
making a distrubing knocking noise at idle from deep inside the engine. Since 
I'm going to bear the brunt of the head gasket repair my Indy suggested 
comparing the cost to an entire engine rebuild."

If it really has lower end knocking (like a rod or spun bearing) and it really 
needs a rebuild, why not just get a complete engine.  The labor to rebuild is 
going to be astronomical and I bet a replacement engine will be cheaper.


Donald H. Snook
1990 Volvo 240DL 136K
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Re: [MBZ] Plugs

[Donald Snook]

Tyler wrote: "I've never seen an 80s Volvo run well for more than a week with 
Platinum plugs. Their fuel systems (especially on turbo or k-jet
models) tend to run rich, which fouls the platinum plugs. Maybe a late 80s 
non-turbo model (lh 2.4 or newer) would run OK with platinum plugs. The Bosch 
copper plugs leak combustion gasses, which will destroy the plug wires"

I went with NGK copper plugs.  Thanks to all for the suggestions.  The plugs I 
took out were evidently real Volvo plugs.  I didn't have any problems, just 
wanted to replace these for maintenance.

Donald H. Snook
1990 Volvo 240DL 136K
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[MBZ] Potential engine rebuild

[tom tomscat]

Hi Ralph,
 
My 1975 300D developed a serious knock a few years ago after I demonstrated 
'hard acceleration in a  diesel', by downshifting up a hill.  As I crested the 
hill, I heard this awful knock.  I drove it directly home and parked it.  
I had several consultations with friends, all of whom sadly shook their heads 
in sympathy.  With the help of a stethoscope I located the source of the noise 
in the block at the #1 cylinder.  The consensus of opinion was that this was a 
serious problem, probably a rod.  I finally brought in the services of local 
expert, John 'Mercedes', who suggested replacing the timing chain tensioner.  
That resulted in no change, so over the phone he said there is one more thing 
that might do it replace the copper seals on the injectors.  Bingo!  I 
replaced the copper seal on the injector for the #1 cylinder and VOILA!... The 
knock was GONE.  It's been fine ever since.   I LOVE those 2 dollar repairs vs 
an engine rebuild!
 
The problem arose apparently because I had swapped out a few injectors from my 
other engine without replacing the seals, as recommended by Mercedes.  Now I 
know WHY they recommend the replacement.  :)  
 
Ralph, I don't know if you have had your injectors out... or if this could be 
your problem, but for a couple of bucks it may be worth a shot.  I also found 
the stethoscope to be invaluable in pinpointing the exact location of the 
source of the noise.
 
Good luck,
Tom Schuch
1975 W115 300D
SE Connecticut
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[MBZ] 225 mpg DIY diesel hybrid

[Rich Thomas]

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/08/16/video-225-mpg-diy-diesel-hybrid-on-the-road-kit-version-coming/

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Lock cylinder lube

[tom savage]

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> You can use 10W machine oil but do not use graphite lock lube. The graphite
> is conductive & can get into the switches & cause all kinds of problems.

Thanks.  I was drawing a blank on which one was a no-no.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] overpriced euro many wagon

[Rich Thomas]

"We are way undertaxed in IOUSA compared to other civilized nations."

--R


andrew strasfogel wrote:
> Where did you get that idea - surely not from what I wrote.  Perhaps it
> makes you feel better about yourself to think/assume that anyone who feels
> that tax rates are reasonable must be wracked by (unhealthy) feelings of
> guilt.
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Rich Thomas <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> If you feel compelled to make up for our undertaxation status, I'll send
>> you my address, you can make amends in whatever amount you would feel
>> most comfortable assuaging your guilt with.
>>
>> --R
>>
>> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>> 
>>> I am not particularly fixated on taxes.  We are way undertaxed in IOUSA
>>> compared to other civilized nations.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>   
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>   
 No such thing as an elected official that won't raise taxes...

 I very nearly accidentally got myself elected mayor one time. Where I
 
>> used
>> 
 to live 2 guys had just been passing the mayorship back and forth for
 decades. I joked I ought to run on a "How could I be worse?" platform.
 Well one of my friends ran with it. First I heard was when a reporter
 showed up at my house. It seems my friend had made up posters (he was a
 graphic artist, he ended up using the campaign material in his
 
>> portfolio,
>> 
 good investment for him) and literally blanketed the city with 'em
 suggesting me as a write in candidate.

 I got something like 20% of the vote which pushed the other two to like
 
>> 40%
>> 
 and 35%, there were various other "Donald Duck" type write ins that got
 
>> the
>> 
 rest. I never made a campaign appearance or anything although I did
 
>> write an
>> 
 editorial for the local paper pointing out the failures of the two
 
>> idiots.
>> 
 In the next election a new guy ran and CRUSHED the two old coots. He
 
>> called
>> 
 me when he won and thanked me for showing it was possible. Lots of my
 friends had tried to get me to run...

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:49:05 -0700
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 Andrew,

 It's just another tax!

 Choices? - Move or elect new folks that won't increase your taxes.

 Take care and be safe in DC..

 Chuck



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Re: [MBZ] Combination switch

[Luther]

How about a picture of it open so we can see where the snaps are placed? 
:)  Thanks
Luther

Jim Cathey wrote:
> After church I pulled the SL's combination switch out, and for the
> first time tried to open one up.  If you're careful you can release
> the plastic snaps and it swings open, exposing the contacts.  Which
> in my case were quite dirty.  I think this can be cleaned up to good
> effect.  But it's too hot out to enjoy working on the car, so I won't.
>
> -- Jim
>   


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