Re: [MBZ] the 1986 300sDL I posted a couple weeks ago
It's now down to 1500! http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/870545541.html Perhaps, something's wrong that he's not mentioning in the ad, or could the market be that soft? Dunno, but it's sure strangely tempting! (My wife confesses that all she wants is the SDL to be working again. It's been so long I don't remember exactly why I rotated it out of service.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the 1986 300sDL I posted a couple weeks ago
Probably a soft market. I tried trading my 300SDL and the dealerships don't even want it. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] the 1986 300sDL I posted a couple weeks ago It's now down to 1500! http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/870545541.html Perhaps, something's wrong that he's not mentioning in the ad, or could the market be that soft? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: 10/6/2008 5:37 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
Peter Merle wrote: What do you think it is Mitch? I have introduced a new injector to #1 and it made no difference. OK, I must have missed that. I was just suggesting an injector test, but you're ahead of me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now we're bailing out commercial paper too?
In theory a regulated capitalist society should work, however the regulators are often influenced to do things against the common good. Such as encouraging lending to people who can't afford to repay the money they borrowed against over inflated houses. I dunno perhaps the government should have stepped in a while back and subsidized loan repayments, perhaps might have worked and perhaps may have ended up costing less than paying out money to fix a black hole. Could also have been more of a win win situation with people still having a roof over their heads and house prices not dropping as much. However this line of thought smells of a form of socialism and we can't be having that in a capitalist society where survival of the strongest is the goal. Hendrik who thinks the main problem with capitalists is that all they talk about is money OK Don wrote: However, the fittest turned out to be Rockefellers, etc. - the rest of us were heading towards starving. Unfettered capitalism ends up as monopolies, company stores, sharecropping, etc. It's not sustainable either. Since humans are involved, no pure system will work for long. The trick is finding a workable balance, that's at least an even playing field for everyone. However, since we're still human, even that is likely impossible. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton - debates / congress / rant
I suspect they would almost be happy with 'only' 500 pages. The worst ones are up to 10,000 or so [IIRC.] Often many parts of it would already be somewhat known from earlier versions of the bill, but slipping in a few pages/provisions here and there on the third or fourth reading of a 1,000 page bill seems to have happened more than once. It is part of the win at any cost political system in congress to take a bill and add a few [dozen, hundred, thousand] unrelated issues to it. I suspect at least a few people who watched the debates see a bit more clearly just how political speak has come to be almost meaningless pandering to the fears or greed of as many separate groups as possible. Imagine what would have happened to the polls if either side had said something about cutting a few dollars out of planned increases in Social Security benefits for higher income folks? Political suicide, though it makes sense. Pardon my reference here but it is the one that jumps out at me from last night: [my rough leaky memory at work here] ...if we have Bin Laden in our sights and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to do it then we should take him out... becomes he wants to attack Pakistan, and I am sure similar and probably as egregious exaggerations/deceptions were made the other way. While I am on my rant I'll jump on the media a bit here also. They continue to want specific plans on developing issues, which they would then use to bash either candidate if it did not immediately or later [when the situation has changed] address every issue. A business that thrives on sensationalism should not be surprised when people try to avoid becoming targets and attempt to paint red circles on the other side. My limited experience of being called as a source was that the reporters had already decided on the story they were going to write and only wanted to pick out a small quote that could be made to fit what they had decided to say. Enough already. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton you wrote the complexity of the myriad of issues It'd be nice to expect those voting to not only vote but actually read and comprehend the legislation they're voting on! I know, impossible to do - given the low IQ of many of them (based on what I see and hear) ;-) - but when they receive a bill of say 500 pages and must debate and vote on it the following day, it;d be nice if they knew what was in it! After all, these things are important - they affect peoples lives - I often wonder if they realize that. Especially the Pork! There's got to be a way to stop that. I wonder how much of the $700B went Oink when squeezed? Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton The downside to continuous turnover of congress is that it almost makes the congressional staffers even more important than the elected officials. Those folks tend to stay around for the next guy, and are the ones who are familiar with how things work and have been forced to study issues - even if with a slant - over the years. I don't know, but I would certainly expect lobbyists to spend a lot of effort 'cultivating' them also. When I was doing fundraising one of people I always wanted to have like me was the secretary. That helped a lot getting calls/messages through. Much larger scale with congress, but I would think the same principles apply. When you think of the complexity of the myriad of issues a new member of congress is supposed to know and make votes on a LOT of power is in the hands of the aide who actually reads and interprets the paperwork to the member on any issue. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:35 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton The thing that really needs to change is the seniority system in the Congress and Senate. People continue to reelect crooks because they don't want to lose clout by sending a rookie to DC. Seniority practically guarantees more business as usual. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 21:31 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton Amen! NEVER vote for the incumbent! On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Politicians are great at kicking the can down the road. Would be a grand idea to kick
[MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
Every day I trudge to McDonalds at 9:00 to get my 9:00 coffee which is a life giving necessity after being at work for 3 hours. I prefer their coffee (and salads) to others in the area. Yesterday the cost of my coffee went from $2.01 to $2.22. This may have been an attempt on Micky's part to honor the passing of Paul Neuman whose company apparently supplies the beans. Now, I checked and I have not received a 10% salary increase, since I've been employed by others anyways. I will no longer darken the Golden Arches, I can get my salad at the local Supermarket instead. My Dunkin Coffee is finished, back to work Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
I will no longer darken the Golden Arches... Voting with your feet is a time-honored tool, would that more people used it. Even more effective, though, is following up on that vote with a letter to corporate. Paper letter, just like to Congress. We have the crappy system that we do (though still less crap-full than any other I know) only because people don't pay attention. Once upon a time they trusted Congress. (Heady days, those.) That didn't last too long. Then they trusted, what was it called, the Fourth Estate? They too sold out, in the name of activisim and/or entertainment. The only thing that works, people, is to _pay_attention_! So long as we glorify laziness and stupidity (ever seen network TV?) we'd all better keep a tub of lube in the house. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now we're bailing out commercial paper too?
In theory a regulated capitalist society should work... Systems that deny basic human nature are doomed to fail. Systems that can put basic human nature to work can succeed. A _good_ system can put these base drives to work in a way that benefits all. Personally, I think the capitalist quadrant of economics is the most viable, but it certainly needs regulation. I think that a system that encourages competition and punishes deception and fraud would be best. Our system's big failing is that it doesn't (and never has) really been set up to encourage competition. (That is, creating an environment in which monopolistic tendencies are inherently counterproductive.) When ours was created communication and transportation were sufficiently primitive that I don't think it was much of a worry. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
'Got yourself another ATTABOY, too! Wilton - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant Every day I trudge to McDonalds at 9:00 to get my 9:00 coffee which is a life giving necessity after being at work for 3 hours. I prefer their coffee (and salads) to others in the area. Yesterday the cost of my coffee went from $2.01 to $2.22. This may have been an attempt on Micky's part to honor the passing of Paul Neuman whose company apparently supplies the beans. Now, I checked and I have not received a 10% salary increase, since I've been employed by others anyways. I will no longer darken the Golden Arches, I can get my salad at the local Supermarket instead. My Dunkin Coffee is finished, back to work Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: fruit drier
Another ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: fruit drier OK, the results are in. After 46 hours and 18 kWH (according to the Kill-a-watt) they're ready. Might have been ready a few hours ago. Net was about 5# of dried fruit, at a cost of about $1 and a couple of hours of work. Not a great ROI, but very satisfying. And tasty. And we know where this food has been. The thermostat in the drier is wonky, else this would probably have been done more in the book-advertised time of 24-36 hours for prune halves, and possibly for less electricity. Next year I can plan to bring quite a few more free buckets home, now that I have a way to consume it. (I love dried fruit.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
Buy the small size. I get a refillable mug every day for $1.10 (14 oz.). And this is in expensive D.C. (Taxation without Representation) On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 'Got yourself another ATTABOY, too! Wilton - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant Every day I trudge to McDonalds at 9:00 to get my 9:00 coffee which is a life giving necessity after being at work for 3 hours. I prefer their coffee (and salads) to others in the area. Yesterday the cost of my coffee went from $2.01 to $2.22. This may have been an attempt on Micky's part to honor the passing of Paul Neuman whose company apparently supplies the beans. Now, I checked and I have not received a 10% salary increase, since I've been employed by others anyways. I will no longer darken the Golden Arches, I can get my salad at the local Supermarket instead. My Dunkin Coffee is finished, back to work Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
Peter, Intermittent missing can be a sign of weak compression on a particular cylinder. Cover your bases and do a compression test or, better yet, a leak down test if you have the equipment. Prior to checking compression, make sure valve lash has been set properly for all valves. While checking valve lash, also carefully inspect each cam lobe for wear/scoring. A worn cam lobe can also cause this symptom. FYI, per the factory 1980 TDM, the specs are as follows: Wear limit for compression is 15 bar (220.50 psi), below that the motor will likely not run. (Installation tolerance is 22-24 bar (323-352 psi)) Maximum loss for leakdown test is: 25%. Maximum compression differential between cylinders at operating temperature is 3 bar (~45 psi). If compression/ leak down checks out OK, make sure the cam timing is on the mark. Is there any sort of smoke or other symptom(s) that would be indicative of the IP being off-time? If these check out fine, I would delve into the fuel side of the motor. Diesels are simple, with correct timing, good compression, and fuel, it has to ignite. Not many variables, here. If this car has been running WVO, the injection pump may have suffered damage and in turn cause this symptom. I have seen that before. Insufficiently heated or poorly filtered WVO will trash an IP in short order. Mathieu www.oldworldauto.com On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Peter Merle wrote: A friend of mine brought his W123 300D ( Non turbo ) to me to try and sort out his intermittent idle problem. - Usually the engine purrs nicely but then every now and then the idle speed drops and engine runs roughly. When this occurs I isolated the problem to #1 cyl - ( by disconnecting each fuel line in turn #1 did not have a affect ) . When engine runs #1 is fine as are all other cylinders. I initially checked spray pattern on the tester - Ok . I replaced the injector with a known good one and the problem was still there. I then replaced dellivery valve an dth eproblem is still present. I am now a bit stumped - coul dit be a stuck injection pump element? what about an engine valve not closing? Any ideas are welcome! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Today's Puzzer: Slow operation of door UNlocking, W123 1983 300TD
In my endless quest to reach the nirvana of a door locking system for my new 1983 300TD that holds its vacuum for a respectable amount of time (e.g., a week), I finally purchased a NEW master element for the driver's door. When installing it, I became perplexed at the adjustment possibilities available to position the element positioned inside its bracket (sleeve). The service manual doesn't make it clear which version of this vacuum element I have, but one or two of them require the switch to be adjusted left or right just so in the (bracket). Anyway, I installed it the best I could, linking the element to the bent brass metal piece and hence to the vertical door locking rod. Now the locks hold their vacuum for up to 2 days (the most time I've allowed) but they take a very long time to unlock (10 seconds)! On my old '83 300TD, even after a week of sitting idle the locks would open in a second or two. So does this mean that the element is not opening fully when I unlock the door, which accounts for the unusually long time for the driver's side rear door and hatch locks to open? Is it even possible to screw this up?? Or do I have another leak to diagnose and deal with. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now we're bailing out commercial paper too?
Do we really? More particularly does everyone understand the difference between Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists? There is no reason capitalism can't exist in a pure social democracy. A social democracy is in the middle of it all and the only system that works 100% of the time. It is the only system that accounts for greed and corruption. It is the only system that makes the monopolies created by capitalism controllable. This idea of deregulatiuon of the utilities is *the* most poppy cocked theory I have ever heard. It does not service the people but it does service to make the marketers richer. It is a falsehood at best. You still have the same supplies distributed by and the same system of distribution maintained by a singular monopoly. When I speak of socialism, I speak of social democracy. It is clear and evident that certain basic needs of the country should be controlled by the government, the military being a fine example. Pure capitalism would have most of us in the streets and with out houses. Allan and Lauren included. -Rolf Allan Streib wrote: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Describe socialism for me please. Then point me to any 100% capitalist economy. I think we all know what socialism is. There is no 100% capitalist economy in the world that I know of, nor did I ever state that there was. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
This illustrates the fallacy of shifting taxes to business from individuals. Unless they are making excessive profit, businesses pass the cost of taxes on to their customers through price increases. Then customers either end up paying the tax anyway or quit patronizing the business ... in which case two other things happen. The business cuts costs (typically by eliminating jobs) or go out of business (eliminating a lot of jobs) AND revenues on the business tax go down when business contracts or fails. As I heard one commentator explain tax restructuring ... don't worry, we won't take water out of your side of the bucket. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 09:19 To: List Mercedes Subject: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant Every day I trudge to McDonalds at 9:00 to get my 9:00 coffee which is a life giving necessity after being at work for 3 hours. I prefer their coffee (and salads) to others in the area. Yesterday the cost of my coffee went from $2.01 to $2.22. This may have been an attempt on Micky's part to honor the passing of Paul Neuman whose company apparently supplies the beans. Now, I checked and I have not received a 10% salary increase, since I've been employed by others anyways. I will no longer darken the Golden Arches, I can get my salad at the local Supermarket instead. My Dunkin Coffee is finished, back to work Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton - debates / congress / rant
Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I am on my rant I'll jump on the media a bit here also. They continue to want specific plans on developing issues, which they would then use to bash either candidate if it did not immediately or later [when the situation has changed] address every issue. I wholeheartedly agree. These debates are simply staged media events. The moderators are either asking trivial-pursuit type questions in some kind of gotcha game, or tossing easily predictable questions that get just as easily predictable answers. Or, they'll start with a premise and then ask the candidate to take a position on one side or the other, and if they try to disagree with the premise of the question itself they get accused of dodging questions. I don't think these debates represent ANY situation a candidate will actually face in office, except maybe a press conference. A debate format I'd like to see would be sort of an open-ended back and forth, e.g. there is a topic, say The cause and best solution for the current financial crisis, give the first guy five or ten minutes to talk, then let the other guy rebut, and go back and forth for maybe an hour on that topic. The moderator would intervene only if the discussion veered wildly off topic, and to enforce equal time for rebuttals. THEN we'd see who can actually think on his feet, how he challenges an opponent's statements, and how the opponent handles being challenged, rather than just getting 60 seconds of rehearsed talking points. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
Ouch. A large coffee at the McDonalds here is $1.39, and I think *THAT* is expensive. Is this one of those McDonalds that has the Starbucks-like coffee stand, with a barista? Here they just brew ordinary coffee in a Bunn-O-Matic. I think it's good, though. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
You got it. Businesses don't pay taxes, really. Ultimately, the customer (us) pays for everything. Allan -- 1983 300D Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This illustrates the fallacy of shifting taxes to business from individuals. Unless they are making excessive profit, businesses pass the cost of taxes on to their customers through price increases. Then customers either end up paying the tax anyway or quit patronizing the business ... in which case two other things happen. The business cuts costs (typically by eliminating jobs) or go out of business (eliminating a lot of jobs) AND revenues on the business tax go down when business contracts or fails. As I heard one commentator explain tax restructuring ... don't worry, we won't take water out of your side of the bucket. Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
I only darken the door of a McDs twice a year when my Dad an I either open or close my grandmother's house (closing it up next week). Dad likes a Big Breakfast and so I oblige him. I worked at a McDs in college, I can't eat there... If you really want to make a stance make your own coffee... That said why shouldn't McD's increase their prices? Their costs have gone up. They pay more for electricity and raw materials at every level. They pay above minimum wage and have to give cost of living increases every year. When was the last time they raised their prices? Prices will rise, thats a normal thing and is generally considered good. Deflation is not. -Curt Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:05:45 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Buy the small size. I get a refillable mug every day for $1.10 (14 oz.). And this is in expensive D.C. (Taxation without Representation) On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 'Got yourself another ATTABOY, too! Wilton - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant Every day I trudge to McDonalds at 9:00 to get my 9:00 coffee which is a life giving necessity after being at work for 3 hours. I prefer their coffee (and salads) to others in the area. Yesterday the cost of my coffee went from $2.01 to $2.22. This may have been an attempt on Micky's part to honor the passing of Paul Neuman whose company apparently supplies the beans. Now, I checked and I have not received a 10% salary increase, since I've been employed by others anyways. I will no longer darken the Golden Arches, I can get my salad at the local Supermarket instead. My Dunkin Coffee is finished, back to work Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
This engine has been driven has been using WVO for arround 12000 km . It is using a 1micro filter. He has another W123 300D also on WVo and its been going for arround 32000 km now without issues. What gets damaged in the pump? Surely it would be terminal and not intermittant. Thanks Peter 2008/10/8 Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter, Intermittent missing can be a sign of weak compression on a particular cylinder. Cover your bases and do a compression test or, better yet, a leak down test if you have the equipment. Prior to checking compression, make sure valve lash has been set properly for all valves. While checking valve lash, also carefully inspect each cam lobe for wear/scoring. A worn cam lobe can also cause this symptom. FYI, per the factory 1980 TDM, the specs are as follows: Wear limit for compression is 15 bar (220.50 psi), below that the motor will likely not run. (Installation tolerance is 22-24 bar (323-352 psi)) Maximum loss for leakdown test is: 25%. Maximum compression differential between cylinders at operating temperature is 3 bar (~45 psi). If compression/ leak down checks out OK, make sure the cam timing is on the mark. Is there any sort of smoke or other symptom(s) that would be indicative of the IP being off-time? If these check out fine, I would delve into the fuel side of the motor. Diesels are simple, with correct timing, good compression, and fuel, it has to ignite. Not many variables, here. If this car has been running WVO, the injection pump may have suffered damage and in turn cause this symptom. I have seen that before. Insufficiently heated or poorly filtered WVO will trash an IP in short order. Mathieu www.oldworldauto.com On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Peter Merle wrote: A friend of mine brought his W123 300D ( Non turbo ) to me to try and sort out his intermittent idle problem. - Usually the engine purrs nicely but then every now and then the idle speed drops and engine runs roughly. When this occurs I isolated the problem to #1 cyl - ( by disconnecting each fuel line in turn #1 did not have a affect ) . When engine runs #1 is fine as are all other cylinders. I initially checked spray pattern on the tester - Ok . I replaced the injector with a known good one and the problem was still there. I then replaced dellivery valve an dth eproblem is still present. I am now a bit stumped - coul dit be a stuck injection pump element? what about an engine valve not closing? Any ideas are welcome! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D brakes - again
So the more I think about the front brakes on my 240D the more annoyed I am that I wussed out... If you remember I hadn't realized that I'd have to deal with the bearings. So now I'm thinking I'll dig in there, pull the bearing cap, scrape away as much grease as I need to to get the nut off, pull the rotor and whatever the thing its bolted to is called, separate them, put the new rotor on, put it all back in the car, put the nut back, scrape the grease more or less back into place and put the cap back on. Worst case scenario I ask my Indy to grease the wheel bearings which I should probably do anyway. He'll be doing motor mounts in the near future anyhow. Seem reasonable? Remember I'm a relative newbie as a mechanic. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
Curt Raymond wrote: Seem reasonable? Remember I'm a relative newbie as a mechanic. If you're taking the bearing apart, buy new grease, clean the bearings, and pack them with the new grease. The hard part is adjusting the bearing lash, which you will have to do any time you turn that nut. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
I'm glad I asked then... Whats involved in the bearing lash? I remember Marshall saying that to do the bearings properly you need a gram scale that was relatively accurate. Normally I'd jump at the excuse to buy more tools but funds are a bit tight right now... -Curt --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 12:36 PM Curt Raymond wrote: Seem reasonable? Remember I'm a relative newbie as a mechanic. If you're taking the bearing apart, buy new grease, clean the bearings, and pack them with the new grease. The hard part is adjusting the bearing lash, which you will have to do any time you turn that nut. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now we're bailing out commercial paper too?
It was asked Then point me to any 100% capitalist economy. The area known as Hong Kong is close to being 100% capitalist, but since being claimed as part of China. . I'm not so sure anymore. But it's an amazing economy to watch - every person seems to be running their own business. It was an extremely robust economy - but as I said - don't know what happened when China took over. - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now we're bailing out commercial paper too? Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Describe socialism for me please. Then point me to any 100% capitalist economy. I think we all know what socialism is. There is no 100% capitalist economy in the world that I know of, nor did I ever state that there was. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: The Do-Something Congress By Dr. Ron Paul,
The Do-Something Congress By Dr. Ron Paul U.S. Congressman Wednesday, 8 October 2008 It has not been a good week for the Republic. It took quite a bit of trampling of the Constitution, but the bailout bill passed, as I suspected it would. The bailout failed the first time it was brought to the House. Undaunted, the Senate pressed on by attaching the bailout as an amendment to another House passed bill that was pending in the Senate. The new bailout version had new taxes, so according to the Constitution it should not have originated in the Senate. The rallying cry heard all over the Hill the past two weeks was that Congress must act. Our economy is facing a meltdown. Would this bill fix it? Nobody could really explain how it would. In fact, few demonstrated any real understanding of credit markets, of derivatives, of credit default swaps or mortgage-backed securities. If they did, they would have known better than to vote for this bill. All they knew was that this administration was saying some frightening things, and asking for a lot of money. And when has Congress ever been able to come up with a better solution to a problem than to throw more of your money at it? So that is what Congress did, enacting a financial PATRIOT Act in the process. In its embarrassment at being called a Do-Nothing Congress the 110th Congress took decisive action and did SOMETHING. No matter that it was the wrong thing. In fact, it wasn't until the Senate had a chance to load it up with even MORE spending, when it was finally inflationary and horrible enough, at $850 billion instead of a mere $700 billion, that it passed – and with a comfortable margin, in spite of constituent calls still coming in overwhelmingly against it. 57 members switched their vote! The market went down anyway. Our nation is now just that much more in the hole. You will pay your part of this mess through inflation, and very likely hyperinflation. Sometimes doing nothing is much better than thrashing about aimlessly. When one is caught in quicksand, for example, or when one doesn't understand economics and finds oneself in the position Congress was in for the past two weeks, with decades of irresponsible monetary policy coming to a head. Why should we trust the same people who said just a few months ago that the economy was perfectly sound? The same people who just knew there were weapons of mass destruction? The same people that crammed the PATRIOT Act down our throats? Why not consult the people who had the foresight and understanding to see this coming? They would have recommended such logical actions as repealing the Community Reinvestment Act, which forces banks to make bad loans, or allowing the market to set interest rates instead of the Federal Reserve system. How about abolishing the Federal Reserve altogether? There are many things that could have been done, but don’t expect Congress take a course of action that comes from a place of understanding and competence when they could just spend money. This bailout will be the legacy of the 110th Do-Something Congress, along with record low approval ratings. Here's hoping the 111th Congress will be a Do the Right Thing Congress, and will focus on repealing and abolishing what is wrong with government instead of reinforcing it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
In my experience, recommend you also buy new grease seals for the bearings unless you know they are OK. New grease? You bet but don't use too much. After I removed the hub/disk assembly I screwed it to a wheel to hold it to could get enough torque to loosen and later to re-torque the screws holding the disk to the hub (if you have nice wheels, put padding under them). I think (not sure) those were hex head (i.e. Allen head) screws so you'll need the right bits for your ratchet. Be careful not to damage the brake hose while the caliper is off. I bought a dial gage to set the bearings but I also found that the setting is right when you can just barely detect the slightest motion pushing/pulling in and out on the hub/disk. That technique will at least get you close. These bearings are not supposed to be tight like on some US cars. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again Curt Raymond wrote: Seem reasonable? Remember I'm a relative newbie as a mechanic. If you're taking the bearing apart, buy new grease, clean the bearings, and pack them with the new grease. The hard part is adjusting the bearing lash, which you will have to do any time you turn that nut. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember Marshall saying that to do the bearings properly you need a gram scale that was relatively accurate. Normally I'd jump at the excuse to buy more tools but funds are a bit tight right now... You need a dial gauge, not a scale. I found one at sears, it has .001 graduations and I think you really want one that measures more if you can find it, but they probably go up in price fast. Was able to use mine though. You also need some kind of arm or stand to hold the thing on the spindle end while you set the play. Harbor Freight and the like sell them for $10 or so. Can't vouch for the accuracy. Here's a cheap one that has the stand and everything... http://www.wttool.com/product-exec/product_id/17322 I suppose you could just adjust it til it drags, back off a little, then take it straight to a shop for a proper adjustment. But that would likely cost you more than buying the dial gauge. Bearings are messy jobs. It's important to use the right amount of grease, not too much or too little. Maybe that's what Marshall was referring to, a scale to measure the correct amount of grease. I think Rusty sells the MB grease packaged in the proper amount. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Do-Something Congress By Dr. Ron Paul,
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Quoting Ron Paul...) Would this bill fix it? Nobody could really explain how it would. In fact, few demonstrated any real understanding of credit markets, of derivatives, of credit default swaps or mortgage-backed securities. If you put all the representatives and senators in a room and found ONE PERSON who really understood those things, I'd be amazed. Most of the people actually TRADING them on Wall Street don't really understand them. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
On Oct 8, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Peter Merle wrote: This engine has been driven has been using WVO for arround 12000 km . It is using a 1micro filter. He has another W123 300D also on WVo and its been going for arround 32000 km now without issues. What gets damaged in the pump? Surely it would be terminal and not intermittant. Thanks Peter Peter, I have a number of clients that run/have run WVO. One has amassed in excess of 80k miles on WVO and is only now beginning to show signs of problems, while others traveled only a few thousand miles and ended up with damaged IPs. The viability of running WVO is only as good as the conversion. Most conversions do not heat the WVO to a high enough temperature (min. 160 F) and this is the number one cause for IP failure based on my experience. The viscosity of properly heated WVO is close to that of cold diesel. As temperature of the WVO decreases its viscosity rises at a near exponential rate. Our IPs were designed to operate with fuel having a viscosity lower than that of cold diesel, i.e. warm diesel. It was never expected that these IPs would be continually running cold diesel; it would only see such until the motor reached running temperature and was able to warm the fuel. If in doubt, feel your spin-on fuel filter after a 20 minute drive,, it will be downright warm, even without an auxiliary fuel heater. Given this, my hypothesis is IP failure is a question of when and not if when running WVO. I owned a Euro 300td, non-turbo OM617. It saw WVO under the previous owner's tenure (+/- 10k miles) and the oil was not sufficiently heated. That motor would often, not always, suffer hard starting when hot and an intermittent miss, only at idle, hot and/or cold. The miss was without rhyme or reason with the exception it was more prevalent at higher ambient temperatures. However, once running, it exhibited excellent power, textbook fuel economy, and did not miss off idle. All of this running diesel. I replaced the IP with a known good unit and all the problems went away. Of course, I did my homework to verify the rest of the motor and fuel system was sound before proceeding with the IP. However, the majority of the MB diesels I have come across with an intermittent miss at idle either have defective fuel injector(s) or a cylinder with out of spec compression on one or more cylinders (be it due to rings, valves, etc). It would be foolish to conclude a faulty IP based on your symptoms without doing further diagnostic on the motor. In conclusion, the IP issue can be intermittent based on my experience. MB IPs seldom fail catastrophically and without warning. Almost always, they show signs long before complete failure. As to what fails in the IP, there are a myriad of possibilities. Truth is, it really does not matter, as IPs are meant to be serviced only by those with the equipment and experience necessary to repair them. IPs are not meant to be repaired by the general mechanic or the casual DIYer (outside of delivery valves and seals, the feed pump, and oil servicing for the M pumps with self contained oil systems). Proper diagnosis and repair of the IP requires a calibration bench among many other things. Some things are best left to the professionals. There are only two outfits in the US I would trust my IPs to. Mathieu www.oldworldauto.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
McDonalds is one of the food chains who are having a tough time dealing with rising wholesale food costs and I'm surprised they waited until now to raise their coffee prices. But since they did, expect everything else to go up. Expect prices to go up at McDonalds, Wendy's and Burger King. They track each others market very closely. I do consulting work for 3 regional Domino's franchises and they are facing the same rising food costs. And just like the three mentioned above, Domino's Poppa Johns keep each other's prices in check. Several menu items are already being sold at a loss and each chain is waiting for the other to move. If you want to blame someone, blame the corn to ethanol push. I know that coffee and corn are not related but the overall cost of food and corn are definitely related. Transportation costs are also up. Your local Supermarket will also react to higher food and transportation prices. Actually, they already have. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:19 AM To: List Mercedes Subject: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant Every day I trudge to McDonalds at 9:00 to get my 9:00 coffee which is a life giving necessity after being at work for 3 hours. I prefer their coffee (and salads) to others in the area. Yesterday the cost of my coffee went from $2.01 to $2.22. This may have been an attempt on Micky's part to honor the passing of Paul Neuman whose company apparently supplies the beans. Now, I checked and I have not received a 10% salary increase, since I've been employed by others anyways. I will no longer darken the Golden Arches, I can get my salad at the local Supermarket instead. My Dunkin Coffee is finished, back to work Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do consulting work for 3 regional Domino's franchises and they are facing the same rising food costs. And just like the three mentioned above, Domino's Poppa Johns keep each other's prices in check. Several menu items are already being sold at a loss and each chain is waiting for the other to move. I remember when I worked at a Domino's here, a local independent was completely running away with the market. I remember a night when we did not even fill one DOOR sheet (10 pies) and this other place had cars all over town. Dominos responded by selling 12 one-topping pizzas for $3.99, delivered. HAD to be a BIG money loser, and it didn't really help them, sales dropped right off after the promotion ended. I think the real difference in that case was that the Dominos store was owned by a Franchisee in another state, and the other place had the owner working in the store. The pizza wasn't really any better, but they had much more involvement in the community and more goodwill. Also they sold breadsticks and about 6 different fountain soft drinks at the time when all you could get at Dominos was pizza and Coca-Cola Classic in 16oz glass bottles. Since then, Dominos is down to one store here, while the other guy has 4 stores in town, and several more in neighboring towns. Pizza Hut also closed two of their three stores. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
Thanks for that valuable info , will recommend to friend to check compressions / valve clearance etc . Peter 2008/10/8 Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 8, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Peter Merle wrote: This engine has been driven has been using WVO for arround 12000 km . It is using a 1micro filter. He has another W123 300D also on WVo and its been going for arround 32000 km now without issues. What gets damaged in the pump? Surely it would be terminal and not intermittant. Thanks Peter Peter, I have a number of clients that run/have run WVO. One has amassed in excess of 80k miles on WVO and is only now beginning to show signs of problems, while others traveled only a few thousand miles and ended up with damaged IPs. The viability of running WVO is only as good as the conversion. Most conversions do not heat the WVO to a high enough temperature (min. 160 F) and this is the number one cause for IP failure based on my experience. The viscosity of properly heated WVO is close to that of cold diesel. As temperature of the WVO decreases its viscosity rises at a near exponential rate. Our IPs were designed to operate with fuel having a viscosity lower than that of cold diesel, i.e. warm diesel. It was never expected that these IPs would be continually running cold diesel; it would only see such until the motor reached running temperature and was able to warm the fuel. If in doubt, feel your spin-on fuel filter after a 20 minute drive,, it will be downright warm, even without an auxiliary fuel heater. Given this, my hypothesis is IP failure is a question of when and not if when running WVO. I owned a Euro 300td, non-turbo OM617. It saw WVO under the previous owner's tenure (+/- 10k miles) and the oil was not sufficiently heated. That motor would often, not always, suffer hard starting when hot and an intermittent miss, only at idle, hot and/or cold. The miss was without rhyme or reason with the exception it was more prevalent at higher ambient temperatures. However, once running, it exhibited excellent power, textbook fuel economy, and did not miss off idle. All of this running diesel. I replaced the IP with a known good unit and all the problems went away. Of course, I did my homework to verify the rest of the motor and fuel system was sound before proceeding with the IP. However, the majority of the MB diesels I have come across with an intermittent miss at idle either have defective fuel injector(s) or a cylinder with out of spec compression on one or more cylinders (be it due to rings, valves, etc). It would be foolish to conclude a faulty IP based on your symptoms without doing further diagnostic on the motor. In conclusion, the IP issue can be intermittent based on my experience. MB IPs seldom fail catastrophically and without warning. Almost always, they show signs long before complete failure. As to what fails in the IP, there are a myriad of possibilities. Truth is, it really does not matter, as IPs are meant to be serviced only by those with the equipment and experience necessary to repair them. IPs are not meant to be repaired by the general mechanic or the casual DIYer (outside of delivery valves and seals, the feed pump, and oil servicing for the M pumps with self contained oil systems). Proper diagnosis and repair of the IP requires a calibration bench among many other things. Some things are best left to the professionals. There are only two outfits in the US I would trust my IPs to. Mathieu www.oldworldauto.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
Mathieu, you state 160F as the minimum temperature for heating the WVO to reach similar viscosity as diesel. I have heated many gallons of WVO to 220F or so (boiling off water) and it is still not as viscous as diesel. My guess, is that even around 300F or higher, the viscosity is still not similar and still could cause IP damage, not combust completely, leak past rings into engine oil, or clog up injectors and prechambers. All of the research I have read shows minor or major engine failure anywhere from 10,000mi to 50,000mi. Why run WVO and risk $500-$10,000 engine repairs or rebuilds when you can make biodiesel for less than $1/gallon? Not worth the risk in my book. Luther Mathieu J. Cama wrote: On Oct 8, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Peter Merle wrote: This engine has been driven has been using WVO for arround 12000 km . It is using a 1micro filter. He has another W123 300D also on WVo and its been going for arround 32000 km now without issues. What gets damaged in the pump? Surely it would be terminal and not intermittant. Thanks Peter Peter, I have a number of clients that run/have run WVO. One has amassed in excess of 80k miles on WVO and is only now beginning to show signs of problems, while others traveled only a few thousand miles and ended up with damaged IPs. The viability of running WVO is only as good as the conversion. Most conversions do not heat the WVO to a high enough temperature (min. 160 F) and this is the number one cause for IP failure based on my experience. The viscosity of properly heated WVO is close to that of cold diesel. As temperature of the WVO decreases its viscosity rises at a near exponential rate. Our IPs were designed to operate with fuel having a viscosity lower than that of cold diesel, i.e. warm diesel. It was never expected that these IPs would be continually running cold diesel; it would only see such until the motor reached running temperature and was able to warm the fuel. If in doubt, feel your spin-on fuel filter after a 20 minute drive,, it will be downright warm, even without an auxiliary fuel heater. Given this, my hypothesis is IP failure is a question of when and not if when running WVO. I owned a Euro 300td, non-turbo OM617. It saw WVO under the previous owner's tenure (+/- 10k miles) and the oil was not sufficiently heated. That motor would often, not always, suffer hard starting when hot and an intermittent miss, only at idle, hot and/or cold. The miss was without rhyme or reason with the exception it was more prevalent at higher ambient temperatures. However, once running, it exhibited excellent power, textbook fuel economy, and did not miss off idle. All of this running diesel. I replaced the IP with a known good unit and all the problems went away. Of course, I did my homework to verify the rest of the motor and fuel system was sound before proceeding with the IP. However, the majority of the MB diesels I have come across with an intermittent miss at idle either have defective fuel injector(s) or a cylinder with out of spec compression on one or more cylinders (be it due to rings, valves, etc). It would be foolish to conclude a faulty IP based on your symptoms without doing further diagnostic on the motor. In conclusion, the IP issue can be intermittent based on my experience. MB IPs seldom fail catastrophically and without warning. Almost always, they show signs long before complete failure. As to what fails in the IP, there are a myriad of possibilities. Truth is, it really does not matter, as IPs are meant to be serviced only by those with the equipment and experience necessary to repair them. IPs are not meant to be repaired by the general mechanic or the casual DIYer (outside of delivery valves and seals, the feed pump, and oil servicing for the M pumps with self contained oil systems). Proper diagnosis and repair of the IP requires a calibration bench among many other things. Some things are best left to the professionals. There are only two outfits in the US I would trust my IPs to. Mathieu www.oldworldauto.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
Yeah when I said scale I ment for weighing grease... --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:24 PM Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember Marshall saying that to do the bearings properly you need a gram scale that was relatively accurate. Normally I'd jump at the excuse to buy more tools but funds are a bit tight right now... You need a dial gauge, not a scale. I found one at sears, it has .001 graduations and I think you really want one that measures more if you can find it, but they probably go up in price fast. Was able to use mine though. You also need some kind of arm or stand to hold the thing on the spindle end while you set the play. Harbor Freight and the like sell them for $10 or so. Can't vouch for the accuracy. Here's a cheap one that has the stand and everything... http://www.wttool.com/product-exec/product_id/17322 I suppose you could just adjust it til it drags, back off a little, then take it straight to a shop for a proper adjustment. But that would likely cost you more than buying the dial gauge. Bearings are messy jobs. It's important to use the right amount of grease, not too much or too little. Maybe that's what Marshall was referring to, a scale to measure the correct amount of grease. I think Rusty sells the MB grease packaged in the proper amount. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
I can tell everyone this much. Our IP rebuilder will not warrant any pumps that are run on WVO. He says it absolutely destroys them. He also doesn't accept any cores that have run it as it renders them not rebuildable. This guy has been rebuilding IP's for 40 years. He knows of what he speaks. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem Mathieu, you state 160F as the minimum temperature for heating the WVO to reach similar viscosity as diesel. I have heated many gallons of WVO to 220F or so (boiling off water) and it is still not as viscous as diesel. My guess, is that even around 300F or higher, the viscosity is still not similar and still could cause IP damage, not combust completely, leak past rings into engine oil, or clog up injectors and prechambers. All of the research I have read shows minor or major engine failure anywhere from 10,000mi to 50,000mi. Why run WVO and risk $500-$10,000 engine repairs or rebuilds when you can make biodiesel for less than $1/gallon? Not worth the risk in my book. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
So yeah back to my original answer of take it to my Indy. I've already got the parts, he's MUCH faster than I am, shouldn't be too expensive. -Curt --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:24 PM Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember Marshall saying that to do the bearings properly you need a gram scale that was relatively accurate. Normally I'd jump at the excuse to buy more tools but funds are a bit tight right now... You need a dial gauge, not a scale. I found one at sears, it has .001 graduations and I think you really want one that measures more if you can find it, but they probably go up in price fast. Was able to use mine though. You also need some kind of arm or stand to hold the thing on the spindle end while you set the play. Harbor Freight and the like sell them for $10 or so. Can't vouch for the accuracy. Here's a cheap one that has the stand and everything... http://www.wttool.com/product-exec/product_id/17322 I suppose you could just adjust it til it drags, back off a little, then take it straight to a shop for a proper adjustment. But that would likely cost you more than buying the dial gauge. Bearings are messy jobs. It's important to use the right amount of grease, not too much or too little. Maybe that's what Marshall was referring to, a scale to measure the correct amount of grease. I think Rusty sells the MB grease packaged in the proper amount. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can tell everyone this much. Our IP rebuilder will not warrant any pumps that are run on WVO. He says it absolutely destroys them. He also doesn't accept any cores that have run it as it renders them not rebuildable. This guy has been rebuilding IP's for 40 years. He knows of what he speaks. Well that makes perfect sense. I'd be suspicious of BioD myself, too, though I guess if it's made with proper process controls it should in theory be OK. I mean Bosch spent years and a lot of RD on the design of these things, assuming that they'd be runing #1 or #2 diesel fuel, not crap scraped from a dumpster behind the local Taco Hell. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
Make the coffee yourself. Coffee can be made almost anywhere (see http://bicyclecoffeesystems.com/ for an extreme example of this) faster, better, and cheaper than buying it pre-made. I buy very expensive bolivian and ethiopian organic/fair trade/etc. freshly roasted coffee for $7-10/lb, and it costs me about 25 cents per cup to make. It tastes far better, and takes much less time than purchasing a cup from a coffee stand/store. If you're satisfied with McDonalds quality coffee, you could probably cut that cost in half, to around 13 cents per cup. If you, say make 260 cups per year at 13 cents per cup instead if buying these at $2.22 this would be an annual savings of $543.40. Invested over 30 years, compounded monthly with 8% interest this is $67,483. That would buy quite a few MBZ diesels! Tyler On Oct 8, 2008, at 6:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every day I trudge to McDonalds at 9:00 to get my 9:00 coffee which is a life giving necessity after being at work for 3 hours. I prefer their coffee (and salads) to others in the area. Yesterday the cost of my coffee went from $2.01 to $2.22. This may have been an attempt on Micky's part to honor the passing of Paul Neuman whose company apparently supplies the beans. Now, I checked and I have not received a 10% salary increase, since I've been employed by others anyways. I will no longer darken the Golden Arches, I can get my salad at the local Supermarket instead. My Dunkin Coffee is finished, back to work Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton - debates / congress / rant
Brokaw was a total grinch when he prevented Obama from following up to rebut McLain's numerous distortions, which could have led to some lively and revealing give and take between the two candidates. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I am on my rant I'll jump on the media a bit here also. They continue to want specific plans on developing issues, which they would then use to bash either candidate if it did not immediately or later [when the situation has changed] address every issue. I wholeheartedly agree. These debates are simply staged media events. The moderators are either asking trivial-pursuit type questions in some kind of gotcha game, or tossing easily predictable questions that get just as easily predictable answers. Or, they'll start with a premise and then ask the candidate to take a position on one side or the other, and if they try to disagree with the premise of the question itself they get accused of dodging questions. I don't think these debates represent ANY situation a candidate will actually face in office, except maybe a press conference. A debate format I'd like to see would be sort of an open-ended back and forth, e.g. there is a topic, say The cause and best solution for the current financial crisis, give the first guy five or ten minutes to talk, then let the other guy rebut, and go back and forth for maybe an hour on that topic. The moderator would intervene only if the discussion veered wildly off topic, and to enforce equal time for rebuttals. THEN we'd see who can actually think on his feet, how he challenges an opponent's statements, and how the opponent handles being challenged, rather than just getting 60 seconds of rehearsed talking points. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Do-Something Congress By Dr. Ron Paul,
So we should wring our hands? Or liquidate all paper assets for gold? Or become survivalists? I think the bailout package is a better alternative in comparison to any of those choices. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Quoting Ron Paul...) Would this bill fix it? Nobody could really explain how it would. In fact, few demonstrated any real understanding of credit markets, of derivatives, of credit default swaps or mortgage-backed securities. If you put all the representatives and senators in a room and found ONE PERSON who really understood those things, I'd be amazed. Most of the people actually TRADING them on Wall Street don't really understand them. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
On Oct 8, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Luther wrote: Mathieu, you state 160F as the minimum temperature for heating the WVO to reach similar viscosity as diesel. I have heated many gallons of WVO to 220F or so (boiling off water) and it is still not as viscous as diesel. My guess, is that even around 300F or higher, the viscosity is still not similar and still could cause IP damage, not combust completely, leak past rings into engine oil, or clog up injectors and prechambers. All of the research I have read shows minor or major engine failure anywhere from 10,000mi to 50,000mi. Why run WVO and risk $500-$10,000 engine repairs or rebuilds when you can make biodiesel for less than $1/gallon? Not worth the risk in my book. Luther Luther, My number of 160 F is derived from the general consensus of what was deemed acceptable by the WVO community at large (4 or so years ago when I began investigating the option) as well as a viscosity vs. temperature chart of both fluids. While that chart is highly suspect due to the variety of oils and fats found in WVO, it is inherently not reliable. I do not doubt in the least your findings. For the record, I do have three client cars in my service with in excess of 50k miles on WVO, all OM61x variants. While they have their issues, they still running fairly well, all things considered. I am quite aware of the damage WVO does to these motors. However, this is not going to persuade folks to run bio or pump diesel instead. Fact is some folks are going to run WVO regardless, it is their choice. I am only the guy who fixes their car when it breaks. However, I will state that when folks contact me regarding a WVO conversion, I do recommend against it and suggest they look into bio-diesel. These motors seem to take to it quite well and there is no need for intrusive surgery and a plumbing supply store under the hood. On that note, I am all in favor of bio-diesel if manufactured properly. Poor lab practices in the production of bio can cause its own myriad of issues as well. A proper titration is critical. Folks who push their reaction with an excess of methanol are only serving to destroy any rubber in their fuel system, waste methanol, and in the end are only kidding themselves. As I tell folks, there is no free lunch. Everything has its pros and cons. The only question is when will the piper have to be paid. Mathieu www.oldworldauto.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
I have seen plenty of research showing WVO systems operating for long periods, without serious engine wear, and other studies showing major engine wear in short periods of time. I really don't think there's anything inherently wrong with WVO, other than it being extremely difficult to build a system that works properly: -It must heat the oil sufficiently to get the viscosity within the range required by the engine manufacturer (this depends on the engine specs, and the type of oil, and requires both electric and coolant heating) -The engine and oil must be fully warmed up at all times when the engine is operating on the oil -Regular italian tune-ups should be performed, to spike combustion and engine temps, and prevent soot build-up -Oil must be absolutely free of contaminants and water, to higher standards than required for diesel fuel (especially with used oil, which contains a lot of small particulates) I've never seen a homemade WVO system that met all of these requirements, but there are a few commercial and professionally designed systems that do (and many that do not). Not all WVO systems are created equal. IMO, biodiesel is cheaper and easier to use than a proper WVO system in any conditions except very remote areas, where obtaining alcohol and catalyst is nearly impossible. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 8, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Luther wrote: Mathieu, you state 160F as the minimum temperature for heating the WVO to reach similar viscosity as diesel. I have heated many gallons of WVO to 220F or so (boiling off water) and it is still not as viscous as diesel. My guess, is that even around 300F or higher, the viscosity is still not similar and still could cause IP damage, not combust completely, leak past rings into engine oil, or clog up injectors and prechambers. All of the research I have read shows minor or major engine failure anywhere from 10,000mi to 50,000mi. Why run WVO and risk $500-$10,000 engine repairs or rebuilds when you can make biodiesel for less than $1/gallon? Not worth the risk in my book. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
I'm glad to hear this. Dominos is the Walmart of the pizza business. It's founder is one seriously EVIL dude (Monaghan), who sold out several years ago to devote himself to building revisionist Catholic universities... On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do consulting work for 3 regional Domino's franchises and they are facing the same rising food costs. And just like the three mentioned above, Domino's Poppa Johns keep each other's prices in check. Several menu items are already being sold at a loss and each chain is waiting for the other to move. I remember when I worked at a Domino's here, a local independent was completely running away with the market. I remember a night when we did not even fill one DOOR sheet (10 pies) and this other place had cars all over town. Dominos responded by selling 12 one-topping pizzas for $3.99, delivered. HAD to be a BIG money loser, and it didn't really help them, sales dropped right off after the promotion ended. I think the real difference in that case was that the Dominos store was owned by a Franchisee in another state, and the other place had the owner working in the store. The pizza wasn't really any better, but they had much more involvement in the community and more goodwill. Also they sold breadsticks and about 6 different fountain soft drinks at the time when all you could get at Dominos was pizza and Coca-Cola Classic in 16oz glass bottles. Since then, Dominos is down to one store here, while the other guy has 4 stores in town, and several more in neighboring towns. Pizza Hut also closed two of their three stores. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
Just like with WVO, most home-brew biodiesel systems don't work properly, and aren't really producing ASTM D6751 Biodiesel. The only way to know is with a lab test, and we really need a cheap non-profit testing service so that home-brewers can have a quantitative way to determine the quality of both biodiesel, and purified WVO. I see many people that don't even wash their biodiesel, which causes the reaction to continue in their fuel tank. When their vehicle is damaged by glycerine precipitate filling their entire fuel system they decide that biodiesel is a bad idea and give up :( Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 8, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Mathieu J. Cama wrote: On that note, I am all in favor of bio-diesel if manufactured properly. Poor lab practices in the production of bio can cause its own myriad of issues as well. A proper titration is critical. Folks who push their reaction with an excess of methanol are only serving to destroy any rubber in their fuel system, waste methanol, and in the end are only kidding themselves. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] debates
They both set the rules and both agreed to them, Obama kept trying to break the rules they had agreed to, TB was the referee and finally let him after he kept harping on it. Bad behavior based on the rules agreed to. Reminded me of those obnoxious kids in high school who just couldn't let anyone else get the last word no matter how stupid it made them look. The message I got from that is that the rules only apply to Obama when it suits him -- that is a mark of immaturity, as anyone who has brought up children can recognize. Might be indicative of future behavior in circumstances where it is even less appropriate. The whole thing was pretty much boring nothingness. The readers of the questions looked and sounded like droids, most of the questions were fairly vapid and did not get to any particular important issues. It would have been much more entertaining, though probably no more enlightening, had they done some give and take, and the attendees not look like a bunch of zombies on downers. Luckily I had the new pups to provide alternative foreground entertainment. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Brokaw was a total grinch when he prevented Obama from following up to rebut McLain's numerous distortions, which could have led to some lively and revealing give and take between the two candidates. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Do-Something Congress By Dr. Ron Paul,
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So we should wring our hands? Or liquidate all paper assets for gold? Or become survivalists? I think the bailout package is a better alternative in comparison to any of those choices. The point is, this is a plan that was voted on by people who don't really understand the problem, under time pressure. Therefore it is a shot in the dark that it will have a positive effect. Doing nothing for a little longer, thinking about the problem more carefully, considering other ideas, adopting a plan that would actually fix some of the causes of the problem, seeing what the market would do, would probably be better than this. I mean the DOW is at around 9400 today -- would it really have been any lower had we taken a little more time? FUD says yes, but I'm not sure. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad to hear this. Dominos is the Walmart of the pizza business. It's founder is one seriously EVIL dude (Monaghan), who sold out several years ago to devote himself to building revisionist Catholic universities... Whaat? Is every successful large corporation just automatically evil in your eyes? Tom Monaghan is a case-study in successful entrepreneurship. However not all his franchisees are Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
Scott Ritchey wrote: This illustrates the fallacy of shifting taxes to business from individuals. I'm confused, where were taxes mentioned? Probably it has a lot to do with inflation and things being more expensive nowadays. If they're raising it just to make more money, customers will move elsewhere... unless everyone raises their prices shortly after. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Tron2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPGWYAUF3v4 Jeff Bridges. Totally cool. I hope they hold it up to its predecessor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] debates
I found the debates enthralling, but the questioners/questions were decidedly LAME. I also love puppies. What kind? How cute? On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They both set the rules and both agreed to them, Obama kept trying to break the rules they had agreed to, TB was the referee and finally let him after he kept harping on it. Bad behavior based on the rules agreed to. Reminded me of those obnoxious kids in high school who just couldn't let anyone else get the last word no matter how stupid it made them look. The message I got from that is that the rules only apply to Obama when it suits him -- that is a mark of immaturity, as anyone who has brought up children can recognize. Might be indicative of future behavior in circumstances where it is even less appropriate. The whole thing was pretty much boring nothingness. The readers of the questions looked and sounded like droids, most of the questions were fairly vapid and did not get to any particular important issues. It would have been much more entertaining, though probably no more enlightening, had they done some give and take, and the attendees not look like a bunch of zombies on downers. Luckily I had the new pups to provide alternative foreground entertainment. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: Brokaw was a total grinch when he prevented Obama from following up to rebut McLain's numerous distortions, which could have led to some lively and revealing give and take between the two candidates. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Do-Something Congress By Dr. Ron Paul,
Hey Allan, the Dow might be up 3000 pts. by next Thursday. It is that irrational. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So we should wring our hands? Or liquidate all paper assets for gold? Or become survivalists? I think the bailout package is a better alternative in comparison to any of those choices. The point is, this is a plan that was voted on by people who don't really understand the problem, under time pressure. Therefore it is a shot in the dark that it will have a positive effect. Doing nothing for a little longer, thinking about the problem more carefully, considering other ideas, adopting a plan that would actually fix some of the causes of the problem, seeing what the market would do, would probably be better than this. I mean the DOW is at around 9400 today -- would it really have been any lower had we taken a little more time? FUD says yes, but I'm not sure. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
I like the pizza, but the ownder/founder is despicable IMO. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm glad to hear this. Dominos is the Walmart of the pizza business. It's founder is one seriously EVIL dude (Monaghan), who sold out several years ago to devote himself to building revisionist Catholic universities... Whaat? Is every successful large corporation just automatically evil in your eyes? Tom Monaghan is a case-study in successful entrepreneurship. However not all his franchisees are Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Do-Something Congress By Dr. Ron Paul,
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Allan, the Dow might be up 3000 pts. by next Thursday. It is that irrational. People tend to get irrational in times of change. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Puzzer: Slow operation of door UNlocking, W123 1983 300TD
This is not my field, but isn't the locking mechanism powered by a vacuum pump in the back somewhere? In my '81 300SD I think it is in the trunk. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 304k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Today's Puzzer: Slow operation of door UNlocking, W123 1983 300TD In my endless quest to reach the nirvana of a door locking system for my new 1983 300TD that holds its vacuum for a respectable amount of time (e.g., a week), I finally purchased a NEW master element for the driver's door. When installing it, I became perplexed at the adjustment possibilities available to position the element positioned inside its bracket (sleeve). The service manual doesn't make it clear which version of this vacuum element I have, but one or two of them require the switch to be adjusted left or right just so in the (bracket). Anyway, I installed it the best I could, linking the element to the bent brass metal piece and hence to the vertical door locking rod. Now the locks hold their vacuum for up to 2 days (the most time I've allowed) but they take a very long time to unlock (10 seconds)! On my old '83 300TD, even after a week of sitting idle the locks would open in a second or two. So does this mean that the element is not opening fully when I unlock the door, which accounts for the unusually long time for the driver's side rear door and hatch locks to open? Is it even possible to screw this up?? Or do I have another leak to diagnose and deal with. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Puzzer: Slow operation of door UNlocking, W123 1983 300TD
W126 has pump, W123 has none. John On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not my field, but isn't the locking mechanism powered by a vacuum pump in the back somewhere? In my '81 300SD I think it is in the trunk. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 304k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Today's Puzzer: Slow operation of door UNlocking, W123 1983 300TD In my endless quest to reach the nirvana of a door locking system for my new 1983 300TD that holds its vacuum for a respectable amount of time (e.g., a week), I finally purchased a NEW master element for the driver's door. When installing it, I became perplexed at the adjustment possibilities available to position the element positioned inside its bracket (sleeve). The service manual doesn't make it clear which version of this vacuum element I have, but one or two of them require the switch to be adjusted left or right just so in the (bracket). Anyway, I installed it the best I could, linking the element to the bent brass metal piece and hence to the vertical door locking rod. Now the locks hold their vacuum for up to 2 days (the most time I've allowed) but they take a very long time to unlock (10 seconds)! On my old '83 300TD, even after a week of sitting idle the locks would open in a second or two. So does this mean that the element is not opening fully when I unlock the door, which accounts for the unusually long time for the driver's side rear door and hatch locks to open? Is it even possible to screw this up?? Or do I have another leak to diagnose and deal with. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton - debates / congress / rant
You have my vote. Think the debate commission [?] will buy it? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton - debates / congress / rant Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I am on my rant I'll jump on the media a bit here also. They continue to want specific plans on developing issues, which they would then use to bash either candidate if it did not immediately or later [when the situation has changed] address every issue. I wholeheartedly agree. These debates are simply staged media events. The moderators are either asking trivial-pursuit type questions in some kind of gotcha game, or tossing easily predictable questions that get just as easily predictable answers. Or, they'll start with a premise and then ask the candidate to take a position on one side or the other, and if they try to disagree with the premise of the question itself they get accused of dodging questions. I don't think these debates represent ANY situation a candidate will actually face in office, except maybe a press conference. A debate format I'd like to see would be sort of an open-ended back and forth, e.g. there is a topic, say The cause and best solution for the current financial crisis, give the first guy five or ten minutes to talk, then let the other guy rebut, and go back and forth for maybe an hour on that topic. The moderator would intervene only if the discussion veered wildly off topic, and to enforce equal time for rebuttals. THEN we'd see who can actually think on his feet, how he challenges an opponent's statements, and how the opponent handles being challenged, rather than just getting 60 seconds of rehearsed talking points. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Tron2
I spent hours and hours as a kid playing with The toy Tron Cycle I had. I would pull that rip cord, put it on the ground and let it zip around at warp speed. A slightly larger, radio-controlled one would be nice, even nicer with a little nitro glow engine in it. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: bailout
I have avoided getting involved in the bailout discussion mainly because I just didn't know enough about it to have an educated opinion. I did however see a letter from a Senator to his constiuents that makes some pretty good points. Here it is: As we close out the 110th Congress, a lot of important questions about the future of the country have been discussed. The Wall Street Bailout Package has dominated headlines in the past few weeks, and Americans are worried about the country's financial stability. We are at the front end of an economic recession. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so. The federal government has tools to use to reduce the depth and harm of the downturn and to hasten the recovery. These tools need to be used and used wisely. Our growth in exports has kept us out of a recession so far. But now, with financial markets struck with fear and the consumer slowing down, a downturn is occurring. Everyone has been asking me: What are we to do? 'First, do no harm' is the Hippocratic Oath that doctors take, and politicians should, too. Let's undo the quarterly 'mark to market' requirement that requires companies to mark down their assets and weaken their balance sheets and scares off lenders or debilitates financial institutions. Mark to market should be done in such a way that doesn't lead to bigger financial bubbles or bigger financial bursts. And obviously, we need to update our regulation of financial markets to see that this does not happen again. Second, re-instill confidence. Permanently up the FDIC covered amounts to $250,000 and provide capital to tottering institutions as needed and requested, but the taxpayer must be protected. The taxpayer should get some ownership in the institutions participating. We must sell that ownership back into the markets once this situation stabilizes. Third, put some gas in the tank. Our economy needs money. We can borrow and spend federal dollars and pass the debt forward or we can free up money in the private sector already. This is what gets you out of a recession - increased economic activity. Do the following for a one-year period: Cut the capital gains tax rate to 5% for assets bought or sold during the year and held for more than 3 years. Allow expensing of depreciable assets purchased. Allow the repatriation of U.S. capital held overseas at a 2% tax rate. These moves would put hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy in a one-year time period. I've been through economic downturns before and they are tough. Lives are impacted and scarred. As a young lawyer, I represented hard-working farmers caught in the farm crises of the 1980's. I saw farmers, small businesses, and banks struggle to survive. Some didn't make it. Often the biggest thing needed was time. Time to work out the problems. Congress needs time to get this right. A rushed $700 billion bailout package is unlikely to produce the long-term results we need. Plus, $700 billion is a lot of money. You could buy all the farm land in the top 16 agricultural producing states in America with that amount of money. Or it could buy 4.4 million Americans a home at the median price in Kansas. I applaud the hard work of Treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke and their staffs. They are good people. But we see this differently than they do. We didn't do much of the subprime mortgage borrowing or lending and now we're asked to pay for it. If that is the case, then we want something that works for the broader economy to get us out of the recession rather than just bailing out a few bad actors and hoping it helps everyone else. It is for these reasons, that I voted against the current bailout package. However, I completely agree that we must act, but we must act right. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] debates -- uhhh
Really! I love puppies, too. What kind of sauce do you use on them? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] debates I found the debates enthralling, but the questioners/questions were decidedly LAME. I also love puppies. What kind? How cute? On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They both set the rules and both agreed to them, Obama kept trying to break the rules they had agreed to, TB was the referee and finally let him after he kept harping on it. Bad behavior based on the rules agreed to. Reminded me of those obnoxious kids in high school who just couldn't let anyone else get the last word no matter how stupid it made them look. The message I got from that is that the rules only apply to Obama when it suits him -- that is a mark of immaturity, as anyone who has brought up children can recognize. Might be indicative of future behavior in circumstances where it is even less appropriate. The whole thing was pretty much boring nothingness. The readers of the questions looked and sounded like droids, most of the questions were fairly vapid and did not get to any particular important issues. It would have been much more entertaining, though probably no more enlightening, had they done some give and take, and the attendees not look like a bunch of zombies on downers. Luckily I had the new pups to provide alternative foreground entertainment. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Harbor Freight Saw Blade Sharpener...
After looking at Allan's reference for the dial indicator I looked at a few other things and came across their 120V Circular Saw Blade Sharpener http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=96687 Anybody ever tried this thing? I have a ton of old circular saw blades that I've been meaning to get sharpened but never got around to it. I remember many years ago seeing ads in the woodworking mags for the Foley Belsaw sharpener, but I seem to remember it costing a whole lot more than $59.99. It might be nice to be able to touch up a blade even if I didn't use it for full sharpening. TIA! Royce Engler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fannie Mae and Clinton - debates / congress / rant
andrew strasfogel wrote: Brokaw was a total grinch when he prevented Obama from following up to rebut McLain's numerous distortions, which could have led to some lively and revealing give and take between the two candidates. I didn't see much of the debate, but I saw that. Imagine the nerve of that guy, sticking to the rules that the Osama campaign agreed to beforehand when Osama wanted to change the rules in mid-debate. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Do-Something Congress By Dr. Ron Paul,
andrew strasfogel wrote: So we should wring our hands? Or liquidate all paper assets for gold? Or become survivalists? I think the bailout package is a better alternative in comparison to any of those choices. But it's a far worse alternative than, say, having Congress play golf for two weeks. Or my alternative proposal: Give every living holder of a social security number $2000 worth of certificates of deposits. Yes, my proposal is silly, but that means anybody who would vote for a proposal that's worse than mine has no business in a position of power over anybody else. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
Allan Streib wrote: Tom Monaghan is a case-study in successful entrepreneurship. Maybe 30 years ago. In the 60's, Domino's was innovative, the whole idea of fast and fresh and delivered was a new concept. By the mid-late 1980's, the market wanted more than just a quick pizza and Coke. Somewhere around 1986-87 Domino's added a pan pizza to the line-up, and you started seeing Diet Coke in some stores, but the company had already peaked and was on the decline. By 1990, it was becoming obvious that Mike Ilitch was kicking Monaghan's butt in their personal ego war. Example: Ilitch bought the Red Wings because he was a big time sports fan, and Monaghan bought the Tigers to show him he had more money than Ilitch. Eventually Ilitch bought the Tigers when Monaghan ran out of money. Only one pizza guy in Michigan is successful enough to own two major sports franchises. At least Monaghan got a world series out of it (1984), Ilitch hasn't won yet to my knowledge, but he's got a lot of Stanley Cup championships under his belt. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
Tom Hargrave wrote: Several menu items are already being sold at a loss and each chain is waiting for the other to move. Back in the 1980's Domino's food cost was supposed to be around 26-28% of sales. The management of a corporate owned store had some explaining to do if it hit 30%. What's the cost target in the stores you work with? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Do-Something Congress By Dr. Ron Paul,
Andrew, Are there criteria for using the word might? As in if you do not eat dinner, you might be hungry for breakfast! Or if XYZ stock is $N/share next Thursday, I might buy it! And after the last three weeks, nothing is irrational, since irrational has become normal. YMMV and take care, Chuck On Oct 8, 2008, at 12:12 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Hey Allan, the Dow might be up 3000 pts. by next Thursday. It is that irrational. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
andrew strasfogel wrote: I like the pizza, but the ownder/founder is despicable IMO. He was raised by nuns in an orphanage. You accuse him of using his income to promote Catholicism, or is there more to it than that? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: bailout
Donald, Who is this Senator? He needs to hear from folks who agree with him even though the $700B deed has been done Thanks, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 8, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Donald Snook wrote: I have avoided getting involved in the bailout discussion mainly because I just didn't know enough about it to have an educated opinion. I did however see a letter from a Senator to his constiuents that makes some pretty good points. Here it is: As we close out the 110th Congress, a lot of important questions about the future of the country have been discussed. The Wall Street Bailout Package has dominated headlines in the past few weeks, and Americans are worried about the country's financial stability. We are at the front end of an economic recession. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so. The federal government has tools to use to reduce the depth and harm of the downturn and to hasten the recovery. These tools need to be used and used wisely. Our growth in exports has kept us out of a recession so far. But now, with financial markets struck with fear and the consumer slowing down, a downturn is occurring. Everyone has been asking me: What are we to do? 'First, do no harm' is the Hippocratic Oath that doctors take, and politicians should, too. Let's undo the quarterly 'mark to market' requirement that requires companies to mark down their assets and weaken their balance sheets and scares off lenders or debilitates financial institutions. Mark to market should be done in such a way that doesn't lead to bigger financial bubbles or bigger financial bursts. And obviously, we need to update our regulation of financial markets to see that this does not happen again. Second, re-instill confidence. Permanently up the FDIC covered amounts to $250,000 and provide capital to tottering institutions as needed and requested, but the taxpayer must be protected. The taxpayer should get some ownership in the institutions participating. We must sell that ownership back into the markets once this situation stabilizes. Third, put some gas in the tank. Our economy needs money. We can borrow and spend federal dollars and pass the debt forward or we can free up money in the private sector already. This is what gets you out of a recession - increased economic activity. Do the following for a one-year period: Cut the capital gains tax rate to 5% for assets bought or sold during the year and held for more than 3 years. Allow expensing of depreciable assets purchased. Allow the repatriation of U.S. capital held overseas at a 2% tax rate. These moves would put hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy in a one-year time period. I've been through economic downturns before and they are tough. Lives are impacted and scarred. As a young lawyer, I represented hard-working farmers caught in the farm crises of the 1980's. I saw farmers, small businesses, and banks struggle to survive. Some didn't make it. Often the biggest thing needed was time. Time to work out the problems. Congress needs time to get this right. A rushed $700 billion bailout package is unlikely to produce the long-term results we need. Plus, $700 billion is a lot of money. You could buy all the farm land in the top 16 agricultural producing states in America with that amount of money. Or it could buy 4.4 million Americans a home at the median price in Kansas. I applaud the hard work of Treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke and their staffs. They are good people. But we see this differently than they do. We didn't do much of the subprime mortgage borrowing or lending and now we're asked to pay for it. If that is the case, then we want something that works for the broader economy to get us out of the recession rather than just bailing out a few bad actors and hoping it helps everyone else. It is for these reasons, that I voted against the current bailout package. However, I completely agree that we must act, but we must act right. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
Sorry, can't share any real numbers - not even a range. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant Tom Hargrave wrote: Several menu items are already being sold at a loss and each chain is waiting for the other to move. Back in the 1980's Domino's food cost was supposed to be around 26-28% of sales. The management of a corporate owned store had some explaining to do if it hit 30%. What's the cost target in the stores you work with? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] debates -- uhhh
You are too funny, you should get your own radio show in the morning drive time. Call it the Rolf and Ralf show. --R Bill R wrote: Really! I love puppies, too. What kind of sauce do you use on them? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] debates I found the debates enthralling, but the questioners/questions were decidedly LAME. I also love puppies. What kind? How cute? On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They both set the rules and both agreed to them, Obama kept trying to break the rules they had agreed to, TB was the referee and finally let him after he kept harping on it. Bad behavior based on the rules agreed to. Reminded me of those obnoxious kids in high school who just couldn't let anyone else get the last word no matter how stupid it made them look. The message I got from that is that the rules only apply to Obama when it suits him -- that is a mark of immaturity, as anyone who has brought up children can recognize. Might be indicative of future behavior in circumstances where it is even less appropriate. The whole thing was pretty much boring nothingness. The readers of the questions looked and sounded like droids, most of the questions were fairly vapid and did not get to any particular important issues. It would have been much more entertaining, though probably no more enlightening, had they done some give and take, and the attendees not look like a bunch of zombies on downers. Luckily I had the new pups to provide alternative foreground entertainment. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: bailout
And Ahnold is gonna be looking east for $7B (just a drop in the bucket now), and the socialist paradise of Massachusetts, home to Bwawney Fwank, Ted Kennedy (D-UI), Jean Kerre (who served in Viet Nam, by the way), and Obama guvuhnuh friend Dervel Patrick, are gonna be formulating their request as well. I was just a little while ago trying to figure out how I could get me wunnathem bail-out loans for just a few mil. Oh, and the car companies sneaked $25B (with another $25B potential) in there last week too, when no one was looking. Is there no end to rewarding or supporting failure? --R Chuck Landenberger wrote: Donald, Who is this Senator? He needs to hear from folks who agree with him even though the $700B deed has been done Thanks, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 8, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Donald Snook wrote: I have avoided getting involved in the bailout discussion mainly because I just didn't know enough about it to have an educated opinion. I did however see a letter from a Senator to his constiuents that makes some pretty good points. Here it is: As we close out the 110th Congress, a lot of important questions about the future of the country have been discussed. The Wall Street Bailout Package has dominated headlines in the past few weeks, and Americans are worried about the country's financial stability. We are at the front end of an economic recession. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so. The federal government has tools to use to reduce the depth and harm of the downturn and to hasten the recovery. These tools need to be used and used wisely. Our growth in exports has kept us out of a recession so far. But now, with financial markets struck with fear and the consumer slowing down, a downturn is occurring. Everyone has been asking me: What are we to do? 'First, do no harm' is the Hippocratic Oath that doctors take, and politicians should, too. Let's undo the quarterly 'mark to market' requirement that requires companies to mark down their assets and weaken their balance sheets and scares off lenders or debilitates financial institutions. Mark to market should be done in such a way that doesn't lead to bigger financial bubbles or bigger financial bursts. And obviously, we need to update our regulation of financial markets to see that this does not happen again. Second, re-instill confidence. Permanently up the FDIC covered amounts to $250,000 and provide capital to tottering institutions as needed and requested, but the taxpayer must be protected. The taxpayer should get some ownership in the institutions participating. We must sell that ownership back into the markets once this situation stabilizes. Third, put some gas in the tank. Our economy needs money. We can borrow and spend federal dollars and pass the debt forward or we can free up money in the private sector already. This is what gets you out of a recession - increased economic activity. Do the following for a one-year period: Cut the capital gains tax rate to 5% for assets bought or sold during the year and held for more than 3 years. Allow expensing of depreciable assets purchased. Allow the repatriation of U.S. capital held overseas at a 2% tax rate. These moves would put hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy in a one-year time period. I've been through economic downturns before and they are tough. Lives are impacted and scarred. As a young lawyer, I represented hard-working farmers caught in the farm crises of the 1980's. I saw farmers, small businesses, and banks struggle to survive. Some didn't make it. Often the biggest thing needed was time. Time to work out the problems. Congress needs time to get this right. A rushed $700 billion bailout package is unlikely to produce the long-term results we need. Plus, $700 billion is a lot of money. You could buy all the farm land in the top 16 agricultural producing states in America with that amount of money. Or it could buy 4.4 million Americans a home at the median price in Kansas. I applaud the hard work of Treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke and their staffs. They are good people. But we see this differently than they do. We didn't do much of the subprime mortgage borrowing or lending and now we're asked to pay for it. If that is the case, then we want something that works for the broader economy to get us out of the recession rather than just bailing out a few bad actors and hoping it helps everyone else. It is for these reasons, that I voted against the current bailout package. However, I completely agree that we must act, but we must act right. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please
Re: [MBZ] OT: bailout
It was the junior Senator from Kansas -- Sam Brownback. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ -Original Message- From: Chuck Landenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Donald Snook Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: bailout Donald, Who is this Senator? He needs to hear from folks who agree with him even though the $700B deed has been done Thanks, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Oct 8, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Donald Snook wrote: I have avoided getting involved in the bailout discussion mainly because I just didn't know enough about it to have an educated opinion. I did however see a letter from a Senator to his constiuents that makes some pretty good points. Here it is: As we close out the 110th Congress, a lot of important questions about the future of the country have been discussed. The Wall Street Bailout Package has dominated headlines in the past few weeks, and Americans are worried about the country's financial stability. We are at the front end of an economic recession. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so. The federal government has tools to use to reduce the depth and harm of the downturn and to hasten the recovery. These tools need to be used and used wisely. Our growth in exports has kept us out of a recession so far. But now, with financial markets struck with fear and the consumer slowing down, a downturn is occurring. Everyone has been asking me: What are we to do? 'First, do no harm' is the Hippocratic Oath that doctors take, and politicians should, too. Let's undo the quarterly 'mark to market' requirement that requires companies to mark down their assets and weaken their balance sheets and scares off lenders or debilitates financial institutions. Mark to market should be done in such a way that doesn't lead to bigger financial bubbles or bigger financial bursts. And obviously, we need to update our regulation of financial markets to see that this does not happen again. Second, re-instill confidence. Permanently up the FDIC covered amounts to $250,000 and provide capital to tottering institutions as needed and requested, but the taxpayer must be protected. The taxpayer should get some ownership in the institutions participating. We must sell that ownership back into the markets once this situation stabilizes. Third, put some gas in the tank. Our economy needs money. We can borrow and spend federal dollars and pass the debt forward or we can free up money in the private sector already. This is what gets you out of a recession - increased economic activity. Do the following for a one-year period: Cut the capital gains tax rate to 5% for assets bought or sold during the year and held for more than 3 years. Allow expensing of depreciable assets purchased. Allow the repatriation of U.S. capital held overseas at a 2% tax rate. These moves would put hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy in a one-year time period. I've been through economic downturns before and they are tough. Lives are impacted and scarred. As a young lawyer, I represented hard-working farmers caught in the farm crises of the 1980's. I saw farmers, small businesses, and banks struggle to survive. Some didn't make it. Often the biggest thing needed was time. Time to work out the problems. Congress needs time to get this right. A rushed $700 billion bailout package is unlikely to produce the long-term results we need. Plus, $700 billion is a lot of money. You could buy all the farm land in the top 16 agricultural producing states in America with that amount of money. Or it could buy 4.4 million Americans a home at the median price in Kansas. I applaud the hard work of Treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke and their staffs. They are good people. But we see this differently than they do. We didn't do much of the subprime mortgage borrowing or lending and now we're asked to pay for it. If that is the case, then we want something that works for the broader economy to get us out of the recession rather than just bailing out a few bad actors and hoping it helps everyone else. It is for these reasons, that I voted against the current bailout package. However, I completely agree that we must act, but we must act right. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error,
[MBZ] OT saw sharpener
On Oct 8, 2008, at 4:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a ton of old circular saw blades that I've been meaning to get sharpened but never got around to it. I remember many years ago seeing ads in the woodworking mags for the Foley Belsaw sharpener, but I seem to remember it costing a whole lot more than $59.99. It might be nice to be able to touch up a blade even if I didn't use it for full sharpening. Royce: I just interviewed a guy for a story who built and runs the ONLY sawmill in operation capable of riff-sawing 8' clapboards. The saw is making a plough cut through huge white pine logs at great speed. Most such mills are only 6' long because the blade overheats and warps by the time that long a cut is made. This guy figured out how to go two more feet, mostly by using extremely well-built century-plus old equipment and tuning it up to NASA tolerances. He uses 150-year-old ripping blades--the best, he says--and sharpens them by hand, with a file, and sets the teeth himself. He's been using the same blades for 20 years and says they'll never need gumming, much less replacement. If the saw doesn't run quite true, he taps the blade with a hammer to realign the molocules. Sounds like voodoo, but the thing RIPS through huge logs, makes less noise than s skillsaw, and throws off long strings of excelsior, not sawdust. Amazing. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Puzzer: Slow operation of door UNlocking, W123 1983 300TD
The 124, 126 (like yours) and 201 body cars have an electric pump like you're talking about. Andrew's wagon is a 123 which does not, it relies upon residual engine produced vacuum. I like the later style better, of course I haven't had the pump croak yet. -Curt Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:07:17 -0400 From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's Puzzer: Slow operation of door UNlocking, W123 1983 300TD To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is not my field, but isn't the locking mechanism powered by a vacuum pump in the back somewhere? In my '81 300SD I think it is in the trunk. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 304k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT saw sharpener
Winter before last I cut up a bunch of pallets with my 6 1/2 circular saw. Pallets are all hell on sawblades as theres all sorts of metal in them, they make GREAT firewood though. Anyway 6 1/2 sawblades are actually generally more expensive than 7 1/4 blades, apparently they sell fewer. So I took my old cheapie Ace Hardware blade and applied the file. It worked, I've been able to sharpen it several times now, just takes a little time with a small triangular file (to get one small enough I had to go to a triangular). I can't do a plywood blade, there isn't space for my ham handed efforts but a big toothed crosscut blade is no sweat. I was at a festival last month where a guy was running a shingle mill that was made in the 1890s. Original blade, had it belted to a '54 Farmall Super MD. It made shingles about 18 long. Took all the HP that tractor had. -Curt Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:25:42 -0500 From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT saw sharpener To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Oct 8, 2008, at 4:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a ton of old circular saw blades that I've been meaning to get sharpened but never got around to it. I remember many years ago seeing ads in the woodworking mags for the Foley Belsaw sharpener, but I seem to remember it costing a whole lot more than $59.99. It might be nice to be able to touch up a blade even if I didn't use it for full sharpening. Royce: I just interviewed a guy for a story who built and runs the ONLY sawmill in operation capable of riff-sawing 8' clapboards. The saw is making a plough cut through huge white pine logs at great speed. Most such mills are only 6' long because the blade overheats and warps by the time that long a cut is made. This guy figured out how to go two more feet, mostly by using extremely well-built century-plus old equipment and tuning it up to NASA tolerances. He uses 150-year-old ripping blades--the best, he says--and sharpens them by hand, with a file, and sets the teeth himself. He's been using the same blades for 20 years and says they'll never need gumming, much less replacement. If the saw doesn't run quite true, he taps the blade with a hammer to realign the molocules. Sounds like voodoo, but the thing RIPS through huge logs, makes less noise than s skillsaw, and throws off long strings of excelsior, not sawdust. Amazing. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A SMART Car for everyone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA7oADAI9lo Fun. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT saw sharpener
He'll have to gum that blade eventually, else the gullets will be too small to hold the sawdust, but it may be a while. Back before my brother blew his neck disks out and had to give up the mill, we used an inserted tooth blade, and when it was true, it ate wood like crazy. The trick is to get the shape correct (hint, it's NOT flat) and keep the rpm exactly right to flatten it out. Razor sharp teeth help, and that's where to old blade comes in -- it was a perfect one, else it would have been worn out or cracked by now. You might chance upon a good one that's new, but not with plain teeth, no one has been making circle saw blades with plain teeth for decades. Nothing like a good mill running well -- noise is usually an indication something is wrong! Peter On Oct 8, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Dan Weeks wrote: On Oct 8, 2008, at 4:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a ton of old circular saw blades that I've been meaning to get sharpened but never got around to it. I remember many years ago seeing ads in the woodworking mags for the Foley Belsaw sharpener, but I seem to remember it costing a whole lot more than $59.99. It might be nice to be able to touch up a blade even if I didn't use it for full sharpening. Royce: I just interviewed a guy for a story who built and runs the ONLY sawmill in operation capable of riff-sawing 8' clapboards. The saw is making a plough cut through huge white pine logs at great speed. Most such mills are only 6' long because the blade overheats and warps by the time that long a cut is made. This guy figured out how to go two more feet, mostly by using extremely well-built century- plus old equipment and tuning it up to NASA tolerances. He uses 150- year-old ripping blades--the best, he says--and sharpens them by hand, with a file, and sets the teeth himself. He's been using the same blades for 20 years and says they'll never need gumming, much less replacement. If the saw doesn't run quite true, he taps the blade with a hammer to realign the molocules. Sounds like voodoo, but the thing RIPS through huge logs, makes less noise than s skillsaw, and throws off long strings of excelsior, not sawdust. Amazing. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Puzzer: Slow operation of door UNlocking, W123 1983 300TD
There is a leak in one or more of the lock diaphrams -- the W123 and W116 use a pair in each door, and they sometimes leak with vac on on side and not on the other. Peter On Oct 8, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: The 124, 126 (like yours) and 201 body cars have an electric pump like you're talking about. Andrew's wagon is a 123 which does not, it relies upon residual engine produced vacuum. I like the later style better, of course I haven't had the pump croak yet. -Curt Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:07:17 -0400 From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's Puzzer: Slow operation of door UNlocking, W123 1983 300TD To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii This is not my field, but isn't the locking mechanism powered by a vacuum pump in the back somewhere? In my '81 300SD I think it is in the trunk. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 304k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Remember this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110296567387ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123 I emailed and asked if he was sure about it having a turbo seeing as MB never made a turbo manual trans and seeing as it doesn't have a turbodiesel badge. I also asked for pics of the engine bay. He replied Who cares? The turbo is there. Maybe it was added later. I will tell you one thing, it has a lot of power!!! ZZZ...OO... Thanks for looking. Dias I've again asked for engine bay pics. I think he's full of crap about something, not sure what yet. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Turbo installed in the 140
Installed the completely rebuilt basically brand new turbo on the 140 today. Man that thing is sure purty under the hood. Even more purty than that rebuilt IP I installed on that 2.5 turbo I should have NEVER got rid of. Anyway, I had fun blowing all the oil out of the exhaust left over from the bad turbo. Even after a few miles of hard driving it still lays down a pretty good smoke screen when you get on it. Its getting quite a bit less now but it will take a while to burn out all that oil. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT saw sharpener
Dan said... I just interviewed a guy for a story who built and runs the ONLY sawmill in operation capable of riff-sawing 8' clapboards. The saw is making a plough cut through huge white pine logs at great speed. Most such mills are only 6' long because the blade overheats and warps by the time that long a cut is made. This guy figured out how to go two more feet, mostly by using extremely well-built century-plus old equipment and tuning it up to NASA tolerances. He uses 150-year-old ripping blades--the best, he says--and sharpens them by hand, with a file, and sets the teeth himself. He's been using the same blades for 20 years and says they'll never need gumming, much less replacement. If the saw doesn't run quite true, he taps the blade with a hammer to realign the molocules. Sounds like voodoo, but the thing RIPS through huge logs, makes less noise than s skillsaw, and throws off long strings of excelsior, not sawdust. Amazing. * Dan - Interesting...I've seen a blade throw off the long strings, but never been able to duplicate it. The old methods can be amazing. There's a guy near here who mills native Texas woods like Mesquite and Bois d' Arc (also called horse apples) He built his own kiln and has some really beautiful flitches. He uses a bandsaw type mill. I just can't bring myself to throw away a perfectly good blade even if it isn't sharp any more. Royce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turbo installed in the 140
Have I told you my dead turbo story? I had the turbo die in my 85 Volvo TD a couple years after I bought it. Been leaking oil forever, I think, but it finally stopped spinning up hot (it was always poky cold, I though that was just turbodiesels). So I put a new on in and also discovered that my smoke problem was a sticking EGR valve -- terrible smoke and no power until it was up to speed (meaning you couldn't see the car behind -- SERIOUS smoke!). Anyway, I got it installed and took of the next day to visit my sister, who was then living in Dayton , OH, about 5 hours away. Ran great all the way up, except for the turbo noise -- quite loud on those cars, believe me -- sounds like a cop car a couple blocks back. On the way home, however, after pulling the long grade out of Louisville, KY on I-64, I though I saw sparks behind me, just like someone had dropped a lit cigarette out the window, only bigger. More on the next hill, and it was ME blowing sparks. Big sparks, looked like about half an inch or so chunks of burning carbon. All the rest of the trip, as I topped a hill, a shower of flaming carbon blew out the exhaust! I guess that thick layer of glassy carbon and soot was igniting under load, and when the blast of fresh air blew through when the pedal lifted as I went over the top of the hill it caused chunks to break off and fly through the exhaust. Quite a show as it was dark -- probably blew burning material out on the way up, too, but it was daylight then! Burned out the exhaust, I had to replace everything downstream of the down-pipe. All the seams in the mufflers cracked, and the weld around the pipe was loose at the rear muffler. Still had more than 1/4 of coked oil and carbon in the mufflers, they weighed a ton! Hope yours isn't that bad! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT saw sharpener
You get the long strings when the blade doesn't extend through the log all the way. It's peeling long strips off from the top down to where the chip breaks up. You don't see this when making a normal cut because the chip it too brittle to stay in one piece -- it's usually cutting mostly across the grain. With the blade inside the log or flitch, you are pulling a lenthwise chip for quite a while, so ti won't break easily. A really mess if your sawdust blower can't handle it! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turbo installed in the 140
Naw, mine is not that bad Peter Frederick wrote: Have I told you my dead turbo story? I had the turbo die in my 85 Volvo TD a couple years after I bought it. Been leaking oil forever, I think, but it finally stopped spinning up hot (it was always poky cold, I though that was just turbodiesels). So I put a new on in and also discovered that my smoke problem was a sticking EGR valve -- terrible smoke and no power until it was up to speed (meaning you couldn't see the car behind -- SERIOUS smoke!). Anyway, I got it installed and took of the next day to visit my sister, who was then living in Dayton , OH, about 5 hours away. Ran great all the way up, except for the turbo noise -- quite loud on those cars, believe me -- sounds like a cop car a couple blocks back. On the way home, however, after pulling the long grade out of Louisville, KY on I-64, I though I saw sparks behind me, just like someone had dropped a lit cigarette out the window, only bigger. More on the next hill, and it was ME blowing sparks. Big sparks, looked like about half an inch or so chunks of burning carbon. All the rest of the trip, as I topped a hill, a shower of flaming carbon blew out the exhaust! I guess that thick layer of glassy carbon and soot was igniting under load, and when the blast of fresh air blew through when the pedal lifted as I went over the top of the hill it caused chunks to break off and fly through the exhaust. Quite a show as it was dark -- probably blew burning material out on the way up, too, but it was daylight then! Burned out the exhaust, I had to replace everything downstream of the down-pipe. All the seams in the mufflers cracked, and the weld around the pipe was loose at the rear muffler. Still had more than 1/4 of coked oil and carbon in the mufflers, they weighed a ton! Hope yours isn't that bad! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1714 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:01 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
If money's tight -- and you have the time -- it's a great time to learn new skills! On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yeah back to my original answer of take it to my Indy. I've already got the parts, he's MUCH faster than I am, shouldn't be too expensive. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
Home-brew biodiesel can be made to or greater than ASTM standards. I personally know several who have done it and had their samples officially tested. Luther Tyler wrote: Just like with WVO, most home-brew biodiesel systems don't work properly, and aren't really producing ASTM D6751 Biodiesel. The only way to know is with a lab test, and we really need a cheap non-profit testing service so that home-brewers can have a quantitative way to determine the quality of both biodiesel, and purified WVO. I see many people that don't even wash their biodiesel, which causes the reaction to continue in their fuel tank. When their vehicle is damaged by glycerine precipitate filling their entire fuel system they decide that biodiesel is a bad idea and give up :( Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 8, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Mathieu J. Cama wrote: On that note, I am all in favor of bio-diesel if manufactured properly. Poor lab practices in the production of bio can cause its own myriad of issues as well. A proper titration is critical. Folks who push their reaction with an excess of methanol are only serving to destroy any rubber in their fuel system, waste methanol, and in the end are only kidding themselves. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the 1986 300sDL I posted a couple weeks ago
Here is a copy of an email from the seller Original Message Subject: Re: Must sell by 10-08 1986 Mercedes Benz 300SDL Diesel WVO SVO Biodiesel - $1500 (Vancouver) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: scott mcnew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nope, still on the market --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Must sell by 10-08 1986 Mercedes Benz 300SDL Diesel WVO SVO Biodiesel - $1500 (Vancouver) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 10:57 PM ** CRAIGSLIST ADVISORY --- AVOID SCAMS BY DEALING LOCALLY ** Avoid: wiring money, cross-border deals, work-at-home ** Beware: cashier checks, money orders, escrow, shipping ** More Info: http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams.html Is it sold? Kevin Kraly wrote: It's now down to 1500! http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/870545541.html Perhaps, something's wrong that he's not mentioning in the ad, or could the market be that soft? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
I have never used a dial indicator for MB wheel bearings, and I never will. You tighten the nut until the bearing starts to tighten and the wheel will get harder to turn. Then you back the nut off one flat (1/6 of a turn) to 1/4 turn. Wiggle the wheel and there should be a just barely detectable play, and the wheel should turn freely once again. Put in the cotter key, and close it up. The bearing and hub expand when things get warm. You need the wiggle so there is room to expand. If you get it too tight, when the bearing gets warm, it binds, and creates more heat, and so forth until the bearing disintegrates. You want to err on the side of being too loose. Too loose will be unnoticeable to a little drift when holding the steering wheel in one position. Drifting one way or the other, like bad tierod ends or bad ball joints. You can back it off 1/2 turn and probably never know the difference. Curt, Don't be a WUSS, do it yourself. Nothing to it. I never have used the magical, premeasured Special voodoo MB grease either. I use Molykote BR2 gun grease (heresy) and have absolutely no problem for lots of years and hundreds of thousands of miles. The BR2 is a lighter grease, and you will get some seepage around the hubcaps. I don't mind the seepage. I have never needed to replace the wheel bearings or the wheel bearing seals on any of my MBs over 30 some years and hundreds of thousands of miles. Clean em up carefully, grease em carefully, and use care in adjusting the nut and be sure to lock it with the cotter key. I will usually tighten and then back off the nut several times to be sure the position of just right is repeatable, and not just a fluke. It aint as hard as some of the other jobs you have done already! At 12:24 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember Marshall saying that to do the bearings properly you need a gram scale that was relatively accurate. Normally I'd jump at the excuse to buy more tools but funds are a bit tight right now... You need a dial gauge, not a scale. I found one at sears, it has .001 graduations and I think you really want one that measures more if you can find it, but they probably go up in price fast. Was able to use mine though. You also need some kind of arm or stand to hold the thing on the spindle end while you set the play. Harbor Freight and the like sell them for $10 or so. Can't vouch for the accuracy. Here's a cheap one that has the stand and everything... http://www.wttool.com/product-exec/product_id/17322 I suppose you could just adjust it til it drags, back off a little, then take it straight to a shop for a proper adjustment. But that would likely cost you more than buying the dial gauge. Bearings are messy jobs. It's important to use the right amount of grease, not too much or too little. Maybe that's what Marshall was referring to, a scale to measure the correct amount of grease. I think Rusty sells the MB grease packaged in the proper amount. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: bailout
Who authored that? Luther Donald Snook wrote: I have avoided getting involved in the bailout discussion mainly because I just didn't know enough about it to have an educated opinion. I did however see a letter from a Senator to his constiuents that makes some pretty good points. Here it is: As we close out the 110th Congress, a lot of important questions about the future of the country have been discussed. The Wall Street Bailout Package has dominated headlines in the past few weeks, and Americans are worried about the country's financial stability. We are at the front end of an economic recession. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so. The federal government has tools to use to reduce the depth and harm of the downturn and to hasten the recovery. These tools need to be used and used wisely. Our growth in exports has kept us out of a recession so far. But now, with financial markets struck with fear and the consumer slowing down, a downturn is occurring. Everyone has been asking me: What are we to do? 'First, do no harm' is the Hippocratic Oath that doctors take, and politicians should, too. Let's undo the quarterly 'mark to market' requirement that requires companies to mark down their assets and weaken their balance sheets and scares off lenders or debilitates financial institutions. Mark to market should be done in such a way that doesn't lead to bigger financial bubbles or bigger financial bursts. And obviously, we need to update our regulation of financial markets to see that this does not happen again. Second, re-instill confidence. Permanently up the FDIC covered amounts to $250,000 and provide capital to tottering institutions as needed and requested, but the taxpayer must be protected. The taxpayer should get some ownership in the institutions participating. We must sell that ownership back into the markets once this situation stabilizes. Third, put some gas in the tank. Our economy needs money. We can borrow and spend federal dollars and pass the debt forward or we can free up money in the private sector already. This is what gets you out of a recession - increased economic activity. Do the following for a one-year period: Cut the capital gains tax rate to 5% for assets bought or sold during the year and held for more than 3 years. Allow expensing of depreciable assets purchased. Allow the repatriation of U.S. capital held overseas at a 2% tax rate. These moves would put hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy in a one-year time period. I've been through economic downturns before and they are tough. Lives are impacted and scarred. As a young lawyer, I represented hard-working farmers caught in the farm crises of the 1980's. I saw farmers, small businesses, and banks struggle to survive. Some didn't make it. Often the biggest thing needed was time. Time to work out the problems. Congress needs time to get this right. A rushed $700 billion bailout package is unlikely to produce the long-term results we need. Plus, $700 billion is a lot of money. You could buy all the farm land in the top 16 agricultural producing states in America with that amount of money. Or it could buy 4.4 million Americans a home at the median price in Kansas. I applaud the hard work of Treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke and their staffs. They are good people. But we see this differently than they do. We didn't do much of the subprime mortgage borrowing or lending and now we're asked to pay for it. If that is the case, then we want something that works for the broader economy to get us out of the recession rather than just bailing out a few bad actors and hoping it helps everyone else. It is for these reasons, that I voted against the current bailout package. However, I completely agree that we must act, but we must act right. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
consumables go up in price and all your other stuff goes down. so you can't get much money for all the junk you bought when times were good to pay for all the necessities that are going through the roof. maybe an ok time to buy a house, if you can get a loan. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only darken the door of a McDs twice a year when my Dad an I either open or close my grandmother's house (closing it up next week). Dad likes a Big Breakfast and so I oblige him. I worked at a McDs in college, I can't eat there... If you really want to make a stance make your own coffee... That said why shouldn't McD's increase their prices? Their costs have gone up. They pay more for electricity and raw materials at every level. They pay above minimum wage and have to give cost of living increases every year. When was the last time they raised their prices? Prices will rise, thats a normal thing and is generally considered good. Deflation is not. -Curt Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:05:45 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Buy the small size. I get a refillable mug every day for $1.10 (14 oz.). And this is in expensive D.C. (Taxation without Representation) On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Got yourself another ATTABOY, too! Wilton - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant Every day I trudge to McDonalds at 9:00 to get my 9:00 coffee which is a life giving necessity after being at work for 3 hours. I prefer their coffee (and salads) to others in the area. Yesterday the cost of my coffee went from $2.01 to $2.22. This may have been an attempt on Micky's part to honor the passing of Paul Neuman whose company apparently supplies the beans. Now, I checked and I have not received a 10% salary increase, since I've been employed by others anyways. I will no longer darken the Golden Arches, I can get my salad at the local Supermarket instead. My Dunkin Coffee is finished, back to work Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
Glycerine is much less of a problem than the accompanying water and sodium methoxide, which corrodes the bejesus out of everything. Peter On Oct 8, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Luther wrote: Home-brew biodiesel can be made to or greater than ASTM standards. I personally know several who have done it and had their samples officially tested. Luther Tyler wrote: Just like with WVO, most home-brew biodiesel systems don't work properly, and aren't really producing ASTM D6751 Biodiesel. The only way to know is with a lab test, and we really need a cheap non-profit testing service so that home-brewers can have a quantitative way to determine the quality of both biodiesel, and purified WVO. I see many people that don't even wash their biodiesel, which causes the reaction to continue in their fuel tank. When their vehicle is damaged by glycerine precipitate filling their entire fuel system they decide that biodiesel is a bad idea and give up :( Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 8, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Mathieu J. Cama wrote: On that note, I am all in favor of bio-diesel if manufactured properly. Poor lab practices in the production of bio can cause its own myriad of issues as well. A proper titration is critical. Folks who push their reaction with an excess of methanol are only serving to destroy any rubber in their fuel system, waste methanol, and in the end are only kidding themselves. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
Curt, This may be heresy also, but I have never weighed the grease either. Just figure out the approximate volume of grease you take out, and put a little more back in. You want to err on the side of being a little loose on the bearing nut, and you can err on the side of a little too much grease. I pack some in the hub between the bearings, and pack the bearings good, so everything is coated, then a little more in the cap as you close things up. It ain't as hard as some of the things you have already done. Just be careful not to introduce any dirt/grit into the new grease. And your hands WILL get greasy. At 12:51 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: Yeah when I said scale I ment for weighing grease... --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:24 PM Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember Marshall saying that to do the bearings properly you need a gram scale that was relatively accurate. Normally I'd jump at the excuse to buy more tools but funds are a bit tight right now... You need a dial gauge, not a scale. I found one at sears, it has .001 graduations and I think you really want one that measures more if you can find it, but they probably go up in price fast. Was able to use mine though. You also need some kind of arm or stand to hold the thing on the spindle end while you set the play. Harbor Freight and the like sell them for $10 or so. Can't vouch for the accuracy. Here's a cheap one that has the stand and everything... http://www.wttool.com/product-exec/product_id/17322 I suppose you could just adjust it til it drags, back off a little, then take it straight to a shop for a proper adjustment. But that would likely cost you more than buying the dial gauge. Bearings are messy jobs. It's important to use the right amount of grease, not too much or too little. Maybe that's what Marshall was referring to, a scale to measure the correct amount of grease. I think Rusty sells the MB grease packaged in the proper amount. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
a group of indo-pac gang bangers owned a pizza joint near my house. they used to sell a large pizza for 5 bucks. i wondered how they could afford that and they told me that i have no idea how insanely cheap one can make a pizza. these pizzas were terrible, but there were always customers buying them. it was a great environment. the crew would talk and act like black LA gangstas (most interesting as one of the great topics of discussion, especially amongst the pakistanis, was cricket along the lines of yo, yo, yo, he da best bowler in the world, yo) but when a customer walked in it was all hello, sir, how may i help you, biddie biddie biddie. i guess you can take the indian out of gujarat, but can't quite get the gujarati out of the gang banger. they all kept their pit bulls behind the place, where we'd fire pistols after closing. this activity made me a little nervous, but these guys had little fear of the gwinnett police. of course, eventually they all ended up arrested and in jail, so the place is now closed. they were nice guys too. my kid used to love playing with those dogs! just caught up in a stupid culture that only leads to one of two outcomes. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: Several menu items are already being sold at a loss and each chain is waiting for the other to move. Back in the 1980's Domino's food cost was supposed to be around 26-28% of sales. The management of a corporate owned store had some explaining to do if it hit 30%. What's the cost target in the stores you work with? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Remember this?
Ask 'im for the engine number from the plate on the engine. That will tell you if it is a turbo or not. 617.xxx.10.yy the 3 x's are what you want, and if the 10 is a 12, RUN away fast! At 08:15 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110296567387ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123 I emailed and asked if he was sure about it having a turbo seeing as MB never made a turbo manual trans and seeing as it doesn't have a turbodiesel badge. I also asked for pics of the engine bay. He replied Who cares? The turbo is there. Maybe it was added later. I will tell you one thing, it has a lot of power!!! ZZZ...OO... Thanks for looking. Dias I've again asked for engine bay pics. I think he's full of crap about something, not sure what yet. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Strange intermittent idling problem
Properly finalized biodiesel is pure, no water, methanol, or NaOH/KOH. Luther Peter Frederick wrote: Glycerine is much less of a problem than the accompanying water and sodium methoxide, which corrodes the bejesus out of everything. Peter On Oct 8, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Luther wrote: Home-brew biodiesel can be made to or greater than ASTM standards. I personally know several who have done it and had their samples officially tested. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turbo installed in the 140
Still getting 32 to 33 mpg, even though Diesel is $0.80 more than regular gas today! ($3.60 vs. $2.80) Even more purty than that rebuilt IP I installed on that 2.5 turbo I should have NEVER got rid of. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
I'll think about it anyway... This is just a play car after all. I would like to get it on the road though, I've had it for way too long without driving it. I suppose I should figure out the parking brake cables too... Was planning on having my Indy do it to save time. -Curt Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:46:15 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I have never used a dial indicator for MB wheel bearings, and I never will. You tighten the nut until the bearing starts to tighten and the wheel will get harder to turn. Then you back the nut off one flat (1/6 of a turn) to 1/4 turn. Wiggle the wheel and there should be a just barely detectable play, and the wheel should turn freely once again. Put in the cotter key, and close it up. The bearing and hub expand when things get warm. You need the wiggle so there is room to expand. If you get it too tight, when the bearing gets warm, it binds, and creates more heat, and so forth until the bearing disintegrates. You want to err on the side of being too loose. Too loose will be unnoticeable to a little drift when holding the steering wheel in one position. Drifting one way or the other, like bad tierod ends or bad ball joints. You can back it off 1/2 turn and probably never know the difference. Curt, Don't be a WUSS, do it yourself. Nothing to it. I never have used the magical, premeasured Special voodoo MB grease either. I use Molykote BR2 gun grease (heresy) and have absolutely no problem for lots of years and hundreds of thousands of miles. The BR2 is a lighter grease, and you will get some seepage around the hubcaps. I don't mind the seepage. I have never needed to replace the wheel bearings or the wheel bearing seals on any of my MBs over 30 some years and hundreds of thousands of miles. Clean em up carefully, grease em carefully, and use care in adjusting the nut and be sure to lock it with the cotter key. I will usually tighten and then back off the nut several times to be sure the position of just right is repeatable, and not just a fluke. It aint as hard as some of the other jobs you have done already! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Coffee Rant
Ultimately, the customer (us) pays for everything. For those of us employed by others, do not the employers in some sense pay for everything? It gets complicated if you think about it too much. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
I ordered new viton return lines from McMaster Carr the other day, while I was there I ordered a box of 50 nitrile gloves, 6mil the thickest they had. I bought some from HD the other week and they're horrible, weak and crappy. Hoping the box from McMaster is better. 25 pairs for the price of 10 pairs of HD gloves. I'm thinking to order the correct grease from Rusty, IIRC it comes in a package you cut in 2 and get one for each side. -Curt --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 9:57 PM Curt, This may be heresy also, but I have never weighed the grease either. Just figure out the approximate volume of grease you take out, and put a little more back in. You want to err on the side of being a little loose on the bearing nut, and you can err on the side of a little too much grease. I pack some in the hub between the bearings, and pack the bearings good, so everything is coated, then a little more in the cap as you close things up. It ain't as hard as some of the things you have already done. Just be careful not to introduce any dirt/grit into the new grease. And your hands WILL get greasy. At 12:51 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: Yeah when I said scale I ment for weighing grease... --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:24 PM Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember Marshall saying that to do the bearings properly you need a gram scale that was relatively accurate. Normally I'd jump at the excuse to buy more tools but funds are a bit tight right now... You need a dial gauge, not a scale. I found one at sears, it has .001 graduations and I think you really want one that measures more if you can find it, but they probably go up in price fast. Was able to use mine though. You also need some kind of arm or stand to hold the thing on the spindle end while you set the play. Harbor Freight and the like sell them for $10 or so. Can't vouch for the accuracy. Here's a cheap one that has the stand and everything... http://www.wttool.com/product-exec/product_id/17322 I suppose you could just adjust it til it drags, back off a little, then take it straight to a shop for a proper adjustment. But that would likely cost you more than buying the dial gauge. Bearings are messy jobs. It's important to use the right amount of grease, not too much or too little. Maybe that's what Marshall was referring to, a scale to measure the correct amount of grease. I think Rusty sells the MB grease packaged in the proper amount. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A Bit O.T. Acura Getting Hot
First of all why is it cars overheat only when non-attentive girls or kids are driving them? Anyway, the Acura got hot the other day. Girl child said she drove to the store (4.5 mile RT) and when she got home she noticed it as almost in the red and steam was hissing out of the overflow jug. So I check it when I get home and the coolant res is ¾ to the full mark. I peek in the radiator and see no level. I put a half a liter of coolant in the radiator and I still se no level. I then started the car with the cap off. In about 3 minutes, HOT coolant started splooging out of the radiator while the temp indicator slowly/steadily climbed to almost the red. What is deal? Bob R. 77 300D 197K 87 Acura Legend 198K 05 E320 59K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
Seem reasonable? Remember I'm a relative newbie as a mechanic. You can do your own front discs. The trick, besides keeping the bearings clean, is to bolt the hub back to a wheel as a vise. Then you can hammer loose the Allens that hold the disc to the hub. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
