Re: [MBZ] W108 suspension - compensator spring kit FYI
The steel spring is INSTEAD OF the hydropneumatic compensator. It is one or the other. Jim Cathey wrote: I've never quite understood why MB chose this particular design; the axle is sprung at the wheels anyway, and the trunk mount keeps the diff secured, so I don't quite understand the point of the extra spring. To wrap some protection around the hydro-compensator? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus
Agreed. I do have the same issue with my mail at home. I always take my packages to the PO so I guess that helps. Mike -Original Message- Date: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:38:15 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have to disagree.. I make my living selling and shipping parts.USPS has a better track record than ANY of the other carriers. It all depends on your local carrier. I don't think anything is likely to get lost between post offices with the USPS (though it COULD happen), but the last leg to the destination seems to depend on the local carrier. I get mail for my neighbors, or the guy one street over who has the same house number, a LOT more often than seems reasonable. And I wonder how much of MY mail ends up elsewhere... Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
That might well end up being what is needed. The problem is that it is in the corner of the kitchen at the deep end of a 6' cabinet. You have to clean out the cabinet and climb inside it in order to get to where it goes into the wall, and the elbow is inside the wall. I'm afraid we would have to remove the stove and cut out the side of the cabinet to get in there. Not the worst thing in the world. It sure would be nice to have way into the pipe, though. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 9:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed Cut the pipe after the bend and install a cleanout wye, snake it from there. Or replace the 90 down bend with a tee and fit a cleanout plug on the top of the tee. vcleanout plug |---| | | | + | | + | | | | | | Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, let me say we have some weird things in our home. The kitchen drain is at the start of what might well be its own line to the septic tank. The trap leads back to the front wall of the house, then does a 90 turn expanding to a 2.5 or 3 copper pipe that has a flat 8' run, then does a 90 down [it is copper into the wall, no idea what material beyond that] then it is in a direct line with the septic tank, but would need to go either under or around the master bedroom/bath, and might tap in there. The kitchen sink started to back up, so I am at it with my snake [which will go as far as the 90 down turn] and that hits nothing. Next is the expanding ball that I use to blow out clogs. That will run for as long as I want, but that only mimics a slow drain, and makes no difference to a slow leak. The sink backs up after a 30 seconds of the water being turned on, then drains down slowly. Friendly local hardware store sold me copper sulfate to kill what sounded like roots clogging the line. Now the problem: The first warning on the copper sulfate is to use it only in a toilet, and not to use it in a sink or tub as it will corrode the metal drain. I can protect the sink drain if the chrome finish on that is the only problem, but is there any chance the copper sulfate would damage a copper pipe or the metal pipes under the sink? Doesn't seem like it would, but this sort of thing is not my field, and I would really hate to have to replace the big copper pipe that runs behind my tiled in kitchen cabinets. Ideas appreciated - TIA BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: inverter/battery charger
Do keep in mind that the inverters are modified sine wave units ,not pure sine wave. Some power supplies do not take kindly to that and reboot the system repeatedly. 24 V or 48 are the better ones for house use. mak - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Harbor Freight inverter/battery charger On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw this in the local HF store and thought it looked like a pretty fun toy. I've seen these combination inverter/chargers designed to run your whole house, marketed to the off-the-grid folks for major bucks, but never one this small or cheap. On the side you can't see in the picture, it has both a 120 VAC input and screw terminals for a 12V battery. If it's 12V, it's not a serious whole-house thing. A car-battery sized AGM (or whatever) is only good for maybe 1kW of output power. All the bigger systems I know of are 24V or 48V. Mine are all 48V. Yeah, I wasn't thinking of running the whole house on it---more like about 300W or so ( a low power micro-ATX PC, other misc electronics, some fluorescent lights). The batteries would go in the shop in an airtight enclosure along an outside wall, with a vent to the outside. So like OK Don say, will hooking up the solar charge controller directly to the battery along with the charge/discharge terminals from the charger/inverter cause havoc? I know there are big, expensive multiple-source charge controllers for whole-house systems, but the idea here is for a cheap hack... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1802 - Release Date: 11/20/2008 7:28 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
I think that alot of MS problem with Vista stems from when it came out there were many computer users that had less that 2 gig of RAM installed in them that were trying to use Vista. From what I have noticed with 2-4 gigs of ram on a decent cpu and video card it seems to run fine. Though I have not used it myself! Though I do know that microsoft is not going to support XP very much longer. Which is the reason I have been slowly looking into what I am going to be using when they stop XP Douglas Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it has multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what features it has etc. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
I use Vista on a new computer with 2 gb or RAM. It does seem to be very RAM hungry, and also takes a fair bit of space on the HD. Having said that, almost all my previous computers were Macs, so I'm newish to PCs. Seems to work ok, other than is seems rather inefficient in how works. A friend bought a new pc last week, and they are now offering XP as a option downgrade, which they swore a year ago there was no way. I think MS might keep XP on offer, until a new verion of Vista comes out, or a replacement. Whether Vista is as bad as most say or not, I don't know, I'm not a techie guy. I know it's been given the death kiss by the public, so whether it's wise to keep trying to market something that most think is crap, might be good money after bad. Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that alot of MS problem with Vista stems from when it came out there were many computer users that had less that 2 gig of RAM installed in them that were trying to use Vista. From what I have noticed with 2-4 gigs of ram on a decent cpu and video card it seems to run fine. Though I have not used it myself! Though I do know that microsoft is not going to support XP very much longer. Which is the reason I have been slowly looking into what I am going to be using when they stop XP Douglas Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it has multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what features it has etc. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well, now, it's official ...
When pumping premium into the 300E the other day, I peeked over at diesel here. It was something like $1.70 per litre! I remember when it was always a bit cheaper than regular. I think the days when there are savings to be had by running a diesel are gone. Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, Craig. This is the biggest spread between gas and diesel I've seen since I've owned diesels. I think that the Dodge CTD pickup truck will be sitting idle in exchange for my parents' '05 Chrysler TC minivan which sits most of the time. .It's less expensive to drive our 15 mpg Big Red Van with gasoline at $1.979/ gallon than it is to drive our 23 mpg 240D/3.0 with diesel at $3.189. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300sd 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News
Allan - the only radio I ever have on is NPR, so I really don't know what the 'right wing radio' is saying. I do know that the last guy I talked about this with is a devotee of Rush. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:35 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fed Reserve News Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reminds me of a few conversations I have recently with folks who insist Bush has had no real part in the financial problems of our country. It was all Clinton's fault, and by the way, going into Serbia/Croatia/etc. was equivalent to Iraq. Clinton was the warmonger also. Is this what the right-wing radio folks are putting out these days? Do you listen to right wing radio? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well, now, it's official ...
I've been driving the 18mpg Dodge Dakota while waiting to get the new diff into the 38mpg 190D 2.2l, its killing both my pocket book and my soul. My commute is 1 hour each way and the 190D is so much more pleasant. The Dakota is more powerful but I enjoy the 190D more... Maybe I should get that 190D 2.5T and even out the more powerful part. -Curt Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:36:52 -0500 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Well, now, it's official ... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I paid $2.05 for premium for the Caddy today, diesel was $2.71, reg $1.85. I think last time I put gas in the Caddy it was $4something. Guess I should take Brunnhilde for some fuel soon, though it will probably keep dropping. --R Craig McCluskey wrote: It's less expensive to drive our 15 mpg Big Red Van with gasoline at $1.979/ gallon than it is to drive our 23 mpg 240D/3.0 with diesel at $3.189. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300SD hard to start
Ever since I have that NEW engine put in my car, I noticed that it is hard starting even in warm weather. It has to crank quite a bit. Two or three pre-glows help. It fires instantly, but does not stay running at first. Lots of smoke for may be a minute. Than it clears out and runs smooth. Starts quick when engine is warm. Engine smokes some on hard acceleration. All 5 glow plugs check good (0.6 Ohm). Fuel mileage is 22 - 24 MPG. 0-100 KPH 20 sec. No fuel leaks visible at the primer pump or anywhere else. Blow-by is normal. Would a diesel purge help? -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 suspension - compensator spring kit FYI
The ride of the hydropneumatic was always better than the ride with the spring that was used in the 110 cars. 30 years ago, I was always scrounging the junkyards for a good hydropneumatic compensator for my 110 200D. I never found one. I from time to time loaded the Man-cave known as the 110/111 trunk heavily, and I didn't like the sagging. THey Hydrop. compensator, the predecessor to SLS, would pump up over bumps and stabilize the ride position of the body, eliminating the sag of a fully loaded trunk. I compensated by adding AirLift airbags in the rear springs. Not auto-levelling, but a workable fix. The increased ground clearance spring is for taxi and autocross use. Not what I'd specify for a sedan in normal use. I think you will like the softer spring better. At 07:50 PM 11/21/2008, you wrote: Gang, I'm curious to know whether others have noticed that a W108 with the steel compensator spring rides harder than a W108 with a *properly functioning* hydropneumatic compensator. I removed the dead hydropneumatic compensator from my W108 a couple of months ago, and at the same time ripped out the crappy Midas shocks that some sadist installed, replacing them with new Bilsteins (thank you Rusty). I also replaced the axle support bushing in the trunk and the brake lines. The process was relatively easy. The key tip is that you need to disconnect the brake lines and let the rear axle halves hang as low as they will go (lower them GENTLY or you can crack the diff casing). With the axles lowered you can lever the spring in place (put one of the mounting bracket bolts in place, place the spring, and then pivot the mounting bracket (this could require considerable force) into position to insert the other mounting bolt. But I digresss. I was expecting the rock-hard ride to convert to a lovely wafting W123-like experience. Not so. It is somewhat softer, but still very hard. And the car is also sitting a little too high. Before changing the compensator, the car was sitting too low. My first suspicion was the new shocks, and they remain a possible culprit. They are HD, but HD is the only shock specified or available for the W108 on both the Bilstein and Sachs lists. Even the MB EPC has subbed in the HD shocks, so presumably if softer ones ever were available they are now unavailable. My next culprit is the compensating spring. Some detective work on the EPC and on the Febi packaging revealed that the conversion kit includes a harder, thicker spring 110 329 05 01 originally intended for vehicles with increased ground clearance. There is a softer spring available from MB. So this morning I went to my friendly (no, really!) local MB dealer and ordered the softer commpensating spring 110 329 04 01. Anyway, I will try installing the new spring and will let you all know how it turns out. At the very least it should bring the car down a couple of centimetres. For $90 it's worth a try. I've never quite understood why MB chose this particular design; the axle is sprung at the wheels anyway, and the trunk mount keeps the diff secured, so I don't quite understand the point of the extra spring. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD hard to start
It has to crank quite a bit. Two or three pre-glows help. It fires instantly, but does not stay running at first. If you hand-prime it first, does it make any difference? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Well, now, it's official ...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:06:28 -0600 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'd have to get 19mpg in the big red van to break even with the 32mpg Diesel. I have a spreadsheet in which I have been tracking all of this. The figure is 19.86, actually. And if I ran a vehicle on premium (at $$2.179), it would have to get better than 21.87. According to Kaleb, the E420 I bought from him will do 26 if I take it easy ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Obama stickers for the missus
Lots of stuff used to disappear in the Chicago SCF. I used to use alternates if the parcel was likely to go through chicago. It seems to have been cleaned up many years ago. no problems recently. At 09:38 PM 11/21/2008, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have to disagree.. I make my living selling and shipping parts.USPS has a better track record than ANY of the other carriers. It all depends on your local carrier. I don't think anything is likely to get lost between post offices with the USPS (though it COULD happen), but the last leg to the destination seems to depend on the local carrier. I get mail for my neighbors, or the guy one street over who has the same house number, a LOT more often than seems reasonable. And I wonder how much of MY mail ends up elsewhere... Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
The warning about the toilet is because it is all ceramic. Copper sulfate, when mixed with water forms a dilute sulfuric acid. You can use it in mild steel (galvanized iron) pipes, but you will notice the inside is scoured over time. You can dump it down your kitchen sink in the following ways: 1. If your drain is all Stainless steel 2. If you put the copper sulfate crystals down into the drain itself, without touching any chrome plated parts. 3. If your drain(s) are already showing wear, and the action of an acid won't particularly deteriorate the appearance. Orchards are typically sprayed while dormant with copper sulfate to kill fungi and bacteria such as causes fire blight. For the first few sprays in the spring, we got a lot of rust clogging nozzles, but after 2 or 3 copper sprays, the insides of the pipes was clean and shiny. The sprayer plumbing typically lasted 30 to 40 years. You can also plumb in a Y or T as previously described. All that said, i don't thinkit is really any worse than liquid plumber type drain cleaners, as long as you don't let the copper sulfate touch the metal parts for a prolonged time. If you dump it down the drain with water running, there should be no damage. You don't want to let it back up into the sink and sit for 10-15 minutes or hours. At 08:31 PM 11/21/2008, you wrote: First, let me say we have some weird things in our home. The kitchen drain is at the start of what might well be its own line to the septic tank. The trap leads back to the front wall of the house, then does a 90 turn expanding to a 2.5 or 3 copper pipe that has a flat 8' run, then does a 90 down [it is copper into the wall, no idea what material beyond that] then it is in a direct line with the septic tank, but would need to go either under or around the master bedroom/bath, and might tap in there. The kitchen sink started to back up, so I am at it with my snake [which will go as far as the 90 down turn] and that hits nothing. Next is the expanding ball that I use to blow out clogs. That will run for as long as I want, but that only mimics a slow drain, and makes no difference to a slow leak. The sink backs up after a 30 seconds of the water being turned on, then drains down slowly. Friendly local hardware store sold me copper sulfate to kill what sounded like roots clogging the line. Now the problem: The first warning on the copper sulfate is to use it only in a toilet, and not to use it in a sink or tub as it will corrode the metal drain. I can protect the sink drain if the chrome finish on that is the only problem, but is there any chance the copper sulfate would damage a copper pipe or the metal pipes under the sink? Doesn't seem like it would, but this sort of thing is not my field, and I would really hate to have to replace the big copper pipe that runs behind my tiled in kitchen cabinets. Ideas appreciated - TIA BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD hard to start
Adchust der falfes Sounds like lack of valve clearance. At 08:44 AM 11/22/2008, you wrote: Ever since I have that NEW engine put in my car, I noticed that it is hard starting even in warm weather. It has to crank quite a bit. Two or three pre-glows help. It fires instantly, but does not stay running at first. Lots of smoke for may be a minute. Than it clears out and runs smooth. Starts quick when engine is warm. Engine smokes some on hard acceleration. All 5 glow plugs check good (0.6 Ohm). Fuel mileage is 22 - 24 MPG. 0-100 KPH 20 sec. No fuel leaks visible at the primer pump or anywhere else. Blow-by is normal. Would a diesel purge help? -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD hard to start
Adchust der falfes Sounds like lack of valve clearance. Der, or die? I only ask because they seem to need constant attention in order to fulfill their purpose. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD hard to start
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:31:47 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adchust der falfes Sounds like lack of valve clearance. Der, or die? I only ask because they seem to need constant attention in order to fulfill their purpose. :-) Just from the German aspect, it would be die, because falfes is plural. If it were der falfe or das falfe, it would be die falfes. The allusion to the distaff side, however, seems fitting. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD hard to start
It's Die (one would be Das). I need to do that - adchust falfes. No. I did never hand prime the thing. Why?. On 11/22/08, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adchust der falfes Sounds like lack of valve clearance. Der, or die? I only ask because they seem to need constant attention in order to fulfill their purpose. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether Vista is as bad as most say or not, I don't know, I'm not a techie guy. I know it's been given the death kiss by the public, so whether it's wise to keep trying to market something that most think is crap, might be good money after bad. The last time I heard about the next (post-Vista) version it was being called Windows 7 and the story was they were going to basically go through the kernel with a broom and dustpan and really strip it down and optimize it, and make a lot of the eye-candy stuff optional. Now I'm hearing that will NOT happen and it's just going to be more of the same bloated crapware. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 300SD hard to start
No. I did never hand prime the thing. Why?. If the fuel prime is leaking down that may make a difference. If it does, you know that you're looking for leaks, whether internal or external. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 300SD hard to start
I am going to check that. I looked for external leaks since the tank level is higher than the priming pump, but not the top of the main filter. On 11/22/08, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. I did never hand prime the thing. Why?. If the fuel prime is leaking down that may make a difference. If it does, you know that you're looking for leaks, whether internal or external. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD '02 RoadKing '72 T100 Daytona ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD hard to start
Check for bad hoses on the suction side of the lift pump. Watch the clear fuel filter while it's running -- a stream of small bubbles coming in and going out of the filter is bad -- indicates a suction side leak. If you have the original German hoses with fabric cover, replace them with standard fuel line, they are surely leaking. You are getting air into the IP, and it will be VERY hard to start from lack of fuel in the pressure chambers on start up, where the pressure leaks off badly anyway. It's also possible to have leaks at the pressure valve holder seals on the IP -- this allows fuel to leak out on top of the pump while running, and air to leak into the feed chamber while stopped, hence air in the IP when you try to start. If you get copious white smoke while cranking and lots of smoke cold, adjust the valves, you have low compression. Peter On Nov 22, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Adchust der falfes Sounds like lack of valve clearance. Der, or die? I only ask because they seem to need constant attention in order to fulfill their purpose. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] valve adjustment, OM617
Sorry folks I know I have asked, and had answered, this question before, but I can't recall what the intake and exhaust clearances are for the OM617. I'm going to adjust mine this weekend if possible, the falling temperatures have not brought any starting difficulty, but I have been negligent here and let it go for too long. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD hard to start
Thank you all. I unlocked the priming pump and diesel is pouring out the top when I stroke it. So the verdict is in: a new priming pump and a falfes adjust job. On 11/22/08, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check for bad hoses on the suction side of the lift pump. Watch the clear fuel filter while it's running -- a stream of small bubbles coming in and going out of the filter is bad -- indicates a suction side leak. If you have the original German hoses with fabric cover, replace them with standard fuel line, they are surely leaking. You are getting air into the IP, and it will be VERY hard to start from lack of fuel in the pressure chambers on start up, where the pressure leaks off badly anyway. It's also possible to have leaks at the pressure valve holder seals on the IP -- this allows fuel to leak out on top of the pump while running, and air to leak into the feed chamber while stopped, hence air in the IP when you try to start. If you get copious white smoke while cranking and lots of smoke cold, adjust the valves, you have low compression. Peter On Nov 22, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Adchust der falfes Sounds like lack of valve clearance. Der, or die? I only ask because they seem to need constant attention in order to fulfill their purpose. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD '02 RoadKing '72 T100 Daytona ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment, OM617
Cold engine 0.10 mm intake (temps below -20 C 0,05 mm), 0.35 mm exhaust On 11/22/08, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry folks I know I have asked, and had answered, this question before, but I can't recall what the intake and exhaust clearances are for the OM617. I'm going to adjust mine this weekend if possible, the falling temperatures have not brought any starting difficulty, but I have been negligent here and let it go for too long. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD '02 RoadKing '72 T100 Daytona ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel price
#2 is $1.10 more per gal here than plus/extra gasoline Wilton Goldsboro, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Lamp out
Ed, you did check backup lights, didn;t you? ; Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
Gary, this is Kaleb we're listening here. I'd guess he has about 5% reason between his ears... Luther Gary Hurst wrote: haven't we already concluded that all anyone knows about vista is that it is bad for you and you should give it up? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it has multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what features it has etc. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda
Yeah but how does one find that elusive Bosch sensor? Both Advance and Autozone only list the one with plug that is 'only' $203 for Bosch at Advance and $385 for the Denso at Autozone which is the only one they list. Other then that I don't have any problem with grafting that plug from the old to the new if I could only find the correct new one for $70 or so. The rear sensor at Advance is only $90 for the you graft and $112 for the plug it in one. For now I think it will just stay the way it is. Fuel mileage isn't suffering since it's only the heater circuit, not the sensing circuit. Manfred Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:14:59 CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Probably a $70 Bosch sensor with a $200 Toyota plug. Check it out, you can probably replace it yourself if you are willing to splice the old plug on a new sensor. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Shocking!
Got the new rear shocks in. Took just a little over an hour plus a little for finding tools and whatnot. Easy job, the only problem I had was getting the old shock out and the new one in. Had to lift on the lower control arm. It was easier the second time because I put the car up higher when I started. I did the passenger side first which was the better of the two old shocks, it was bad but not as bad as the driver's side. Once I was done that side it sat noticably higher than the other. With both done the car is level and slightly less saggy in the rear than it was previous to, who knows how long these have been bad but not bad enough to notice. Found $0.57 and a yellow plastic dinosaur while I was at it. I also put an electric heater inside to help cook off some of the moisture that has developed while sitting 6 months. Driving will finish the job but today I noticed frozen stalactites hanging from the sunroof (which doesn't have its inside cover) so figured I needed to get on that. The front windshield leaked (since fixed) but never had a good chance to dry out. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
lol, yes, being alone, I had to drive to a store with a big glass window and reverse towards it, and check them in my rear view mirror. ;-) I thought it was very clever of me. lol Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ed, you did check backup lights, didn;t you? ; Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
'Zackly the way I do it; 'thought you did it, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lamp out lol, yes, being alone, I had to drive to a store with a big glass window and reverse towards it, and check them in my rear view mirror. ;-) I thought it was very clever of me. lol Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ed, you did check backup lights, didn;t you? ; Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD hard to start
Hans, Diesel Purge can't hurt I would also try the tried and true Italian Tune-up.. By NEW, I assume you mean new to your SD, but not new-new! Take care, Chuck On Nov 22, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: Ever since I have that NEW engine put in my car, I noticed that it is hard starting even in warm weather. It has to crank quite a bit. Two or three pre-glows help. It fires instantly, but does not stay running at first. Lots of smoke for may be a minute. Than it clears out and runs smooth. Starts quick when engine is warm. Engine smokes some on hard acceleration. All 5 glow plugs check good (0.6 Ohm). Fuel mileage is 22 - 24 MPG. 0-100 KPH 20 sec. No fuel leaks visible at the primer pump or anywhere else. Blow-by is normal. Would a diesel purge help? -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
Thanks Loren. I was assuming it was something like that but it does help to know. Turns out that the blockage is about 10' down and out from the spot it goes into the wall between the entry hall and the kitchen. I now have a 12 x 12 hole in the entry hall wall just in case we could put a cleanout there. Not really any way, though maybe inside the cabinet. We took the big copper pipe off entirely - and it was about eaten through - and will replace it with pvc. A snake going down the cast iron pipe back there hit an obstruction, and we now have a slow drain once more. This gives me some hope it can be cured without digging. Going for a bit of the heavy duty pipe cleaner stuff [muratic acid?] that should eat through nearly anything that might be there, and the copper sulfate should take care of any roots if those were adding to the problems. This seems like a lot when we were looking at a slow drain; it looks a lot less when compared to bringing in a plumber and digging under the slab. We should know tonight. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed The warning about the toilet is because it is all ceramic. Copper sulfate, when mixed with water forms a dilute sulfuric acid. You can use it in mild steel (galvanized iron) pipes, but you will notice the inside is scoured over time. You can dump it down your kitchen sink in the following ways: 1. If your drain is all Stainless steel 2. If you put the copper sulfate crystals down into the drain itself, without touching any chrome plated parts. 3. If your drain(s) are already showing wear, and the action of an acid won't particularly deteriorate the appearance. Orchards are typically sprayed while dormant with copper sulfate to kill fungi and bacteria such as causes fire blight. For the first few sprays in the spring, we got a lot of rust clogging nozzles, but after 2 or 3 copper sprays, the insides of the pipes was clean and shiny. The sprayer plumbing typically lasted 30 to 40 years. You can also plumb in a Y or T as previously described. All that said, i don't thinkit is really any worse than liquid plumber type drain cleaners, as long as you don't let the copper sulfate touch the metal parts for a prolonged time. If you dump it down the drain with water running, there should be no damage. You don't want to let it back up into the sink and sit for 10-15 minutes or hours. At 08:31 PM 11/21/2008, you wrote: First, let me say we have some weird things in our home. The kitchen drain is at the start of what might well be its own line to the septic tank. The trap leads back to the front wall of the house, then does a 90 turn expanding to a 2.5 or 3 copper pipe that has a flat 8' run, then does a 90 down [it is copper into the wall, no idea what material beyond that] then it is in a direct line with the septic tank, but would need to go either under or around the master bedroom/bath, and might tap in there. The kitchen sink started to back up, so I am at it with my snake [which will go as far as the 90 down turn] and that hits nothing. Next is the expanding ball that I use to blow out clogs. That will run for as long as I want, but that only mimics a slow drain, and makes no difference to a slow leak. The sink backs up after a 30 seconds of the water being turned on, then drains down slowly. Friendly local hardware store sold me copper sulfate to kill what sounded like roots clogging the line. Now the problem: The first warning on the copper sulfate is to use it only in a toilet, and not to use it in a sink or tub as it will corrode the metal drain. I can protect the sink drain if the chrome finish on that is the only problem, but is there any chance the copper sulfate would damage a copper pipe or the metal pipes under the sink? Doesn't seem like it would, but this sort of thing is not my field, and I would really hate to have to replace the big copper pipe that runs behind my tiled in kitchen cabinets. Ideas appreciated - TIA BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
Be careful if you're using different drain cleaners -- some (I think Draino for example) are lye (NaOH) and some (Liquid Fire?) are acid -- you don't want the two in the pipe at the same time! Allan -- 1983 300D Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Loren. I was assuming it was something like that but it does help to know. Turns out that the blockage is about 10' down and out from the spot it goes into the wall between the entry hall and the kitchen. I now have a 12 x 12 hole in the entry hall wall just in case we could put a cleanout there. Not really any way, though maybe inside the cabinet. We took the big copper pipe off entirely - and it was about eaten through - and will replace it with pvc. A snake going down the cast iron pipe back there hit an obstruction, and we now have a slow drain once more. This gives me some hope it can be cured without digging. Going for a bit of the heavy duty pipe cleaner stuff [muratic acid?] that should eat through nearly anything that might be there, and the copper sulfate should take care of any roots if those were adding to the problems. This seems like a lot when we were looking at a slow drain; it looks a lot less when compared to bringing in a plumber and digging under the slab. We should know tonight. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
i understand that it is sometimes just practical to use the microsoft OS. i have some vendors who have systems of communicating with their inventories that simply will not work on anything other than the MS OS. if i want to know if there is a certain bilstein shock in a warehouse near you and don't want to wait on hold for 20 minutes, i have to run MS. (no, wonko, your wine emulation/virtualizations don't really work). sometimes you are just stuck. but kleb makes no sense at all. 1. what does he need run that can't be run off a non-ms OS? 2. what does he need to run that can't be run on XP but only on Vista? as downloading porn and emails does not require any microsoft product at all. his motivation is a mystery. we i in such an enviable position, i'd be microsoft free forever (and i've even tried to do that, but just couldn't because of business requirements) On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, this is Kaleb we're listening here. I'd guess he has about 5% reason between his ears... Luther Gary Hurst wrote: haven't we already concluded that all anyone knows about vista is that it is bad for you and you should give it up? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it has multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what features it has etc. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
I would rather use XP, but this new computer I have had for a while came with Vista, and its very difficult to go back to xp on it. Gary Hurst wrote: i understand that it is sometimes just practical to use the microsoft OS. i have some vendors who have systems of communicating with their inventories that simply will not work on anything other than the MS OS. if i want to know if there is a certain bilstein shock in a warehouse near you and don't want to wait on hold for 20 minutes, i have to run MS. (no, wonko, your wine emulation/virtualizations don't really work). sometimes you are just stuck. but kleb makes no sense at all. 1. what does he need run that can't be run off a non-ms OS? 2. what does he need to run that can't be run on XP but only on Vista? as downloading porn and emails does not require any microsoft product at all. his motivation is a mystery. we i in such an enviable position, i'd be microsoft free forever (and i've even tried to do that, but just couldn't because of business requirements) On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, this is Kaleb we're listening here. I'd guess he has about 5% reason between his ears... Luther Gary Hurst wrote: haven't we already concluded that all anyone knows about vista is that it is bad for you and you should give it up? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it has multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what features it has etc. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - Release Date: 11/22/2008 6:59 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
The guy helping me is pretty experienced. Actually he works and I pay him. That helps both of us. He knows there is copper sulfate in the pipes, and the muriatic acid [if that is what it is] will go in tonight. Watch your late breaking news to see if we went out via fumes. Amateur plumber and antique [both the enthusiast and the cars] MB enthusiast felled by copper sulfate and muriatic acid fumes BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed Be careful if you're using different drain cleaners -- some (I think Draino for example) are lye (NaOH) and some (Liquid Fire?) are acid -- you don't want the two in the pipe at the same time! Allan -- 1983 300D Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Loren. I was assuming it was something like that but it does help to know. Turns out that the blockage is about 10' down and out from the spot it goes into the wall between the entry hall and the kitchen. I now have a 12 x 12 hole in the entry hall wall just in case we could put a cleanout there. Not really any way, though maybe inside the cabinet. We took the big copper pipe off entirely - and it was about eaten through - and will replace it with pvc. A snake going down the cast iron pipe back there hit an obstruction, and we now have a slow drain once more. This gives me some hope it can be cured without digging. Going for a bit of the heavy duty pipe cleaner stuff [muratic acid?] that should eat through nearly anything that might be there, and the copper sulfate should take care of any roots if those were adding to the problems. This seems like a lot when we were looking at a slow drain; it looks a lot less when compared to bringing in a plumber and digging under the slab. We should know tonight. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
I heard if you called M$ they would give you XP code such that you could down grade. However you have to already have XP install disks. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again I would rather use XP, but this new computer I have had for a while came with Vista, and its very difficult to go back to xp on it. Gary Hurst wrote: i understand that it is sometimes just practical to use the microsoft OS. i have some vendors who have systems of communicating with their inventories that simply will not work on anything other than the MS OS. if i want to know if there is a certain bilstein shock in a warehouse near you and don't want to wait on hold for 20 minutes, i have to run MS. (no, wonko, your wine emulation/virtualizations don't really work). sometimes you are just stuck. but kleb makes no sense at all. 1. what does he need run that can't be run off a non-ms OS? 2. what does he need to run that can't be run on XP but only on Vista? as downloading porn and emails does not require any microsoft product at all. his motivation is a mystery. we i in such an enviable position, i'd be microsoft free forever (and i've even tried to do that, but just couldn't because of business requirements) On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, this is Kaleb we're listening here. I'd guess he has about 5% reason between his ears... Luther Gary Hurst wrote: haven't we already concluded that all anyone knows about vista is that it is bad for you and you should give it up? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it has multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what features it has etc. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - Release Date: 11/22/2008 6:59 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
yea, I already have xp install disks, in fact, I have xp running on a seperate hard drive on this computer. REally, the problem is I need to get my mail an everything moved over from the vista install, which luther sent me the instructions, I just have not done it yet. Then, there is the fact that I bought that technet subscription but dont really need it, but might as well use it since I have it so though about upgrading my version of XP, and also downloading some office installs and such. Trampas wrote: I heard if you called M$ they would give you XP code such that you could down grade. However you have to already have XP install disks. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again I would rather use XP, but this new computer I have had for a while came with Vista, and its very difficult to go back to xp on it. Gary Hurst wrote: i understand that it is sometimes just practical to use the microsoft OS. i have some vendors who have systems of communicating with their inventories that simply will not work on anything other than the MS OS. if i want to know if there is a certain bilstein shock in a warehouse near you and don't want to wait on hold for 20 minutes, i have to run MS. (no, wonko, your wine emulation/virtualizations don't really work). sometimes you are just stuck. but kleb makes no sense at all. 1. what does he need run that can't be run off a non-ms OS? 2. what does he need to run that can't be run on XP but only on Vista? as downloading porn and emails does not require any microsoft product at all. his motivation is a mystery. we i in such an enviable position, i'd be microsoft free forever (and i've even tried to do that, but just couldn't because of business requirements) On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, this is Kaleb we're listening here. I'd guess he has about 5% reason between his ears... Luther Gary Hurst wrote: haven't we already concluded that all anyone knows about vista is that it is bad for you and you should give it up? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it has multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what features it has etc. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - Release Date: 11/22/2008 6:59 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - Release Date: 11/22/2008 6:59 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
Well, actually, I just booted my computer from the other hard drive with the XP install, followed the simple instructions for pointing thunderbird to the correct location of mail files, and am sending this from XP. I will say this computer is MUCH faster on XP than Vista. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yea, I already have xp install disks, in fact, I have xp running on a seperate hard drive on this computer. REally, the problem is I need to get my mail an everything moved over from the vista install, which luther sent me the instructions, I just have not done it yet. Then, there is the fact that I bought that technet subscription but dont really need it, but might as well use it since I have it so though about upgrading my version of XP, and also downloading some office installs and such. Trampas wrote: I heard if you called M$ they would give you XP code such that you could down grade. However you have to already have XP install disks. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again I would rather use XP, but this new computer I have had for a while came with Vista, and its very difficult to go back to xp on it. Gary Hurst wrote: i understand that it is sometimes just practical to use the microsoft OS. i have some vendors who have systems of communicating with their inventories that simply will not work on anything other than the MS OS. if i want to know if there is a certain bilstein shock in a warehouse near you and don't want to wait on hold for 20 minutes, i have to run MS. (no, wonko, your wine emulation/virtualizations don't really work). sometimes you are just stuck. but kleb makes no sense at all. 1. what does he need run that can't be run off a non-ms OS? 2. what does he need to run that can't be run on XP but only on Vista? as downloading porn and emails does not require any microsoft product at all. his motivation is a mystery. we i in such an enviable position, i'd be microsoft free forever (and i've even tried to do that, but just couldn't because of business requirements) On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, this is Kaleb we're listening here. I'd guess he has about 5% reason between his ears... Luther Gary Hurst wrote: haven't we already concluded that all anyone knows about vista is that it is bad for you and you should give it up? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody know anything about the Enterprise version? Looks like it has multiple activations, but wondered if anybody has used it, what features it has etc. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - Release Date: 11/22/2008 6:59 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - Release Date: 11/22/2008 6:59 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - Release Date: 11/22/2008 6:59 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Not getting my Pagoda
MG wrote: Yeah but how does one find that elusive Bosch sensor? What year/engine is your wife's Taco? I just randomly picked one, 2004 V6, for which Rockauto sells original type Denso front sensors for $145.79. Amazon has the same part for even less: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000C5WD2Q Funny, the listings at RockAuto included a Bosch Wideband sensor that they wanted $294 for. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
No, being clever involves putting the handbrake on, switching the ignition to on and putting the gear selector into R and then walk around to the back of the vehicle and inspect reversing lights. For brake lights I use a stick. Hendrik E M wrote: lol, yes, being alone, I had to drive to a store with a big glass window and reverse towards it, and check them in my rear view mirror. ;-) I thought it was very clever of me. lol Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
There's a man who trusts fully in his handbrake!! hee hee. I'd ask how you would check to make sure the safety switch works on an elevator door, but I think the answer would scare me. ;-) Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, being clever involves putting the handbrake on, switching the ignition to on and putting the gear selector into R and then walk around to the back of the vehicle and inspect reversing lights. For brake lights I use a stick. Hendrik E M wrote: lol, yes, being alone, I had to drive to a store with a big glass window and reverse towards it, and check them in my rear view mirror. ;-) I thought it was very clever of me. lol Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 suspension - compensator spring kit FYI
The hydropneumatic compensator was a clever way of adapting the old axle design for level control, but it seems unlikely that the hydro compensator was the reason for that design because it wasn't offered until years after the steel spring version. On the Ponton site it says of the evolution of the MB swing axle: The pivot point was lowered, and later, a horizontal compensating spring was fitted between the rear axle and the right axle shaft to keep the car more stable under various driving conditions. So I guess it was a necessary improvement, but I don't understand how the spring contributes to stability. D. Peter Frederick wrote: To provide level control. The basic swing axle suspension was used from 1953 to 1973, Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
Where I live, we refer to that as a statistic. On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No, being clever involves putting the handbrake on, switching the ignition to on and putting the gear selector into R and then walk around to the back of the vehicle and inspect reversing lights. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel price
This is something I get very annoyed at each time I hear a news broadcast mention the current price of regular gas and the bozos never mention that us dieselers are payin' through the nose. Reg. gas here at $1.799/gal. vs. diesel at $2.879. At least Autoweek magazine had the nerve to print a reader's comment on the high price dieselers are paying; no one else seems to be payin' attention. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
E M wrote: There's a man who trusts fully in his handbrake!! hee hee. I'd ask how you would check to make sure the safety switch works on an elevator door, but I think the answer would scare me. When I was in college, a friend showed me how to open the elevator door from inside while the elevator was moving. Yes, the safety stop switch worked. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spork plugs (380 SL)
Yesterday I decided it was time to tackle the valve stem seals on #7 again, now that I have the new ones in hand. I removed the spark plug and its extender. The plug was oily, but not hugely fouled, so I guess the extender is working. I got the obtruding fuel and vacuum lines removed, then removed the valve cover and oiling tube. As the belts need attention anyway I removed the fan, then I was able to use the front crank nut to bar the engine over until #7 was at TDC, determined with a probe in the spark plug hole. The spring compressor then made short work of removing the cam followers and springs. (One of the valve keepers was a real pain, but the other three came out easily.) I'm ready to remove the old stem seals and put on the new, but I was out of time. Today I pulled the other four plugs. #2 was particularly gassy, and all were a bit dirty, which is fitting because it _has_ been running so poorly of late. I cleaned all the plugs and put them back. I noticed that the injectors for #3 and #4 were very wet looking, so I removed them. (My first ever injector removal!) I cleaned them off and checked the tightness of the fittings, after I did this I concluded that the wetness was just oil dripping from the badly-fitting breather hose that's directly overhead. In a mood to experiment, and since the injectors were already out, I got out the clean grease gun and found that its threads matched those of the fuel distributor ends of the injector pipes: they threaded right in. However, there was no cup at the bottom to pinch the pipe's button against so it leaked. Regardless, I pumped some bad gasoline through #3 and saw that it puffed clouds of atomized fuel, and seemed to have the requisite non-dribble-ness. #4 behaved exactly the same. Because of the gassy state of plug #2 I pulled #2 injector as well and tested it, finding no difference from the other two. I put them all back and test-started the engine. No leaks that I could see, and brake cleaner sprayed around the injectors indicated that there were no significant leaks. It appears that I got it reassembled adequately. As it was idling rather lumpily I started pulling spark plug wires. They all made it worse except #6 and #7! Pulling either of them had no significant effect on idle. I double-checked the wiring order to the distributor cap and it was correct according to the firing order stamped on the valve cover. Well, there are only a limited number of other things that it could be. I decided to think about it for a bit, and came in for breakfast. The list of potential culprits is rather short: * no spark * no fuel * no compression I'm hoping it's not the latter! When I got back to it I checked the spark on #7 by putting in one of the old spark plugs and laying the newer one on the valve cover, connected. Started, the engine idled as usual with a nice bright spark. That's not it. I then pulled half the plugs, the ignition module's input, and the fuel pump relay and tested the compression, six strokes per reading. I repeated it twice: Plug Bar (PSI) #5 10 (150) #68 (120) #79.5 (140) #88 (120) No joy, but #6 and #8 are kind of low. Still, it's #7 that's been trouble, so what does that mean? I don't know. Low compression on this side, but very oily rings in #7 boost it? I put all the plugs back. I looked at getting the injectors out, and they're really buried on this side. It's not going to be easy to get them out. Maybe later. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
But he DIDN'T say, start engine or engine running. ; Wilton - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lamp out There's a man who trusts fully in his handbrake!! hee hee. I'd ask how you would check to make sure the safety switch works on an elevator door, but I think the answer would scare me. ;-) Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, being clever involves putting the handbrake on, switching the ignition to on and putting the gear selector into R and then walk around to the back of the vehicle and inspect reversing lights. For brake lights I use a stick. Hendrik E M wrote: lol, yes, being alone, I had to drive to a store with a big glass window and reverse towards it, and check them in my rear view mirror. ;-) I thought it was very clever of me. lol Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W108 audio questions
Gang, My car has the (apparently optional) stereo sound system with electric antenna. Wondering about the speaker grille in the middle of the dashboard, which does not appear to contain a speaker, but does emit light from the climate controls. Two questions: 1. Is the absence of the middle speaker normal if you've got the stereo speakers on the kickpanels 2. Is there a part missing that would prevent light from getting up through the grille and reflecting on the windshield. It's not a big deal, but it is a bit distracting at night, and it seems very unlikely that MB would let something like that happen... D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
Where I live, we refer to that as a statistic. No, being clever involves putting the handbrake on, switching the ignition to on and putting the gear selector into R and then walk around to the back of the vehicle and inspect reversing lights. Guys, the ignition being 'on' doesn't mean that the engine is running! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 suspension - compensator spring kit FYI
Anti-jacking, I would suspect. While it's much less likely to jack under hard cornering because the pivot point is below the axle most of the time, that swing axle system WILL jack at strange times. Caused Corvairs to flip when the tire dismounted and the rim dug into the road, but it's never that dramatic in a Benz. It's the opposite of an anti-sway bar in action, after all. Peter On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:08 PM, David Bruckmann wrote: The hydropneumatic compensator was a clever way of adapting the old axle design for level control, but it seems unlikely that the hydro compensator was the reason for that design because it wasn't offered until years after the steel spring version. On the Ponton site it says of the evolution of the MB swing axle: The pivot point was lowered, and later, a horizontal compensating spring was fitted between the rear axle and the right axle shaft to keep the car more stable under various driving conditions. So I guess it was a necessary improvement, but I don't understand how the spring contributes to stability. D. Peter Frederick wrote: To provide level control. The basic swing axle suspension was used from 1953 to 1973, Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spork plugs (380 SL)
Are the plugs in #6 and #7 normal (that is, do they have evidence of combustion)? If not, and you have gasoline fouling, it's time to replace the boot between the air horn of the fuel distributor and the throttle body, the throttle body to intake seal, and the seals between the two halves of the intake manifold (especially the latter). A leak there will give you idle fits while working pretty much as normal at speed -- the mixture on those cylinders will be too lean with a leak there. Vacuum leak problems are identical on FI and carburetor systems. Peter On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Yesterday I decided it was time to tackle the valve stem seals on #7 again, now that I have the new ones in hand. I removed the spark plug and its extender. The plug was oily, but not hugely fouled, so I guess the extender is working. I got the obtruding fuel and vacuum lines removed, then removed the valve cover and oiling tube. As the belts need attention anyway I removed the fan, then I was able to use the front crank nut to bar the engine over until #7 was at TDC, determined with a probe in the spark plug hole. The spring compressor then made short work of removing the cam followers and springs. (One of the valve keepers was a real pain, but the other three came out easily.) I'm ready to remove the old stem seals and put on the new, but I was out of time. Today I pulled the other four plugs. #2 was particularly gassy, and all were a bit dirty, which is fitting because it _has_ been running so poorly of late. I cleaned all the plugs and put them back. I noticed that the injectors for #3 and #4 were very wet looking, so I removed them. (My first ever injector removal!) I cleaned them off and checked the tightness of the fittings, after I did this I concluded that the wetness was just oil dripping from the badly-fitting breather hose that's directly overhead. In a mood to experiment, and since the injectors were already out, I got out the clean grease gun and found that its threads matched those of the fuel distributor ends of the injector pipes: they threaded right in. However, there was no cup at the bottom to pinch the pipe's button against so it leaked. Regardless, I pumped some bad gasoline through #3 and saw that it puffed clouds of atomized fuel, and seemed to have the requisite non-dribble-ness. #4 behaved exactly the same. Because of the gassy state of plug #2 I pulled #2 injector as well and tested it, finding no difference from the other two. I put them all back and test-started the engine. No leaks that I could see, and brake cleaner sprayed around the injectors indicated that there were no significant leaks. It appears that I got it reassembled adequately. As it was idling rather lumpily I started pulling spark plug wires. They all made it worse except #6 and #7! Pulling either of them had no significant effect on idle. I double-checked the wiring order to the distributor cap and it was correct according to the firing order stamped on the valve cover. Well, there are only a limited number of other things that it could be. I decided to think about it for a bit, and came in for breakfast. The list of potential culprits is rather short: * no spark * no fuel * no compression I'm hoping it's not the latter! When I got back to it I checked the spark on #7 by putting in one of the old spark plugs and laying the newer one on the valve cover, connected. Started, the engine idled as usual with a nice bright spark. That's not it. I then pulled half the plugs, the ignition module's input, and the fuel pump relay and tested the compression, six strokes per reading. I repeated it twice: Plug Bar (PSI) #5 10 (150) #68 (120) #79.5 (140) #88 (120) No joy, but #6 and #8 are kind of low. Still, it's #7 that's been trouble, so what does that mean? I don't know. Low compression on this side, but very oily rings in #7 boost it? I put all the plugs back. I looked at getting the injectors out, and they're really buried on this side. It's not going to be easy to get them out. Maybe later. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
Talking about septic tanks (which is rhyming slang for yanks BTW), my mothers septic is overflowing badly and she got some people out to see what the problem is. According to the experts she needs a new you beaut AU$11,000 septic system put in. Me being a skeptic smelled a rat because according to these 'experts' the ground was saturated and could not absorb the amount of overflow coming out. Funny thing is that we are in a drought and have not had a lot of water. Just so happens that a while back I bought a little half tonne micro excavator (a Kobelco SK005, which is now sporting a Chinese copy of the original Yanmar single cylinder Diesel engine because the original Yanmar got dusted due to a cracked inlet manifold) to do some landscaping around the house. Anyway took the excavator around to her place and started digging, turns out the pipe where the overflow comes out was blocked with soil. Had I know where the outlet was located I could have fixed her supposedly stuffed septic in half an hour with a spade. However know that I have the machine there I am going to install a proper Rein trench, which should last for quite some time and the total cost of the job should come in well under a grand. It makes me angry the way some of the trades people are ripping off unwary consumers, these dickheads did not make any effort to properly inspect the set up and determine the exact cause of the septic overflowing but instead made a few assumptions and did the thing that makes them the most money. Far as Bill's problems go, my suggestion is that if you are going to be living there for a while yet, get the system fixed up properly. As chemicals and pipe worms are a temporary solution. You can hire little excavators for a couple of hundred a day, they are not hard to operate on flat ground. Hendrik Bill R wrote: Thanks Loren. I was assuming it was something like that but it does help to know. Turns out that the blockage is about 10' down and out from the spot it goes into the wall between the entry hall and the kitchen. I now have a 12 x 12 hole in the entry hall wall just in case we could put a cleanout there. Not really any way, though maybe inside the cabinet. We took the big copper pipe off entirely - and it was about eaten through - and will replace it with pvc. A snake going down the cast iron pipe back there hit an obstruction, and we now have a slow drain once more. This gives me some hope it can be cured without digging. Going for a bit of the heavy duty pipe cleaner stuff [muratic acid?] that should eat through nearly anything that might be there, and the copper sulfate should take care of any roots if those were adding to the problems. This seems like a lot when we were looking at a slow drain; it looks a lot less when compared to bringing in a plumber and digging under the slab. We should know tonight. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W108 audio questions
Yes and yes. The fiberboard cover is missing. The grill is held on by two semi-recessed screws, take it out and cut a blank from something fairly stable and cover the hole. Peter On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:11 PM, David Bruckmann wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
You don't have to have the engine running to do this but the ignition must be in the on position. And yes I do trust my handbrake because I maintain it myself. Hendrik E M wrote: There's a man who trusts fully in his handbrake!! hee hee. I'd ask how you would check to make sure the safety switch works on an elevator door, but I think the answer would scare me. ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
Perhaps I should have said set the ignition key to position 2 but do NOT start the engine. Hendrik Jim Cathey wrote: Where I live, we refer to that as a statistic. No, being clever involves putting the handbrake on, switching the ignition to on and putting the gear selector into R and then walk around to the back of the vehicle and inspect reversing lights. Guys, the ignition being 'on' doesn't mean that the engine is running! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
Allen - Your design was what we were going for, but when we got into the wall there is a stacked iron pipe that goes up as well as down, and also has a lateral run going behind the stove inside the wall. I don't know what the original configuration of the kitchen was, but it seems it is quite different now. I don't think there is a decent way to do a cleanout unless we can fit one between the iron pipe inside the wall and the new drain, but it would have to be in the space between the wall and the end of the cabinet [about 6]. Doesn't seem practical. I suspect the main thing would be to convince my darling wife that if she ever wishes to dispose of a quart of old ham salad again that the trash can is a far better place than the garbage disposal. The way it will be put together we will be able snake it from the junction of the PVC and the rubber connector if we need to again. Your input much appreciated. Thanks - BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 9:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed Cut the pipe after the bend and install a cleanout wye, snake it from there. Or replace the 90 down bend with a tee and fit a cleanout plug on the top of the tee. vcleanout plug |---| | | | + | | + | | | | | | Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, let me say we have some weird things in our home. The kitchen drain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
So maybe he is pretty clever after all. ;-) Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] But he DIDN'T say, start engine or engine running. ; Wilton - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lamp out There's a man who trusts fully in his handbrake!! hee hee. I'd ask how you would check to make sure the safety switch works on an elevator door, but I think the answer would scare me. ;-) Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, being clever involves putting the handbrake on, switching the ignition to on and putting the gear selector into R and then walk around to the back of the vehicle and inspect reversing lights. For brake lights I use a stick. Hendrik E M wrote: lol, yes, being alone, I had to drive to a store with a big glass window and reverse towards it, and check them in my rear view mirror. ;-) I thought it was very clever of me. lol Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
Yeah, but the first way you said it makes you sound like a guy who like to live on the edge. hee hee. Ed 300E 2008/11/22 Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps I should have said set the ignition key to position 2 but do NOT start the engine. Hendrik Jim Cathey wrote: Where I live, we refer to that as a statistic. No, being clever involves putting the handbrake on, switching the ignition to on and putting the gear selector into R and then walk around to the back of the vehicle and inspect reversing lights. Guys, the ignition being 'on' doesn't mean that the engine is running! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
Garbage disposal? On a septic? Or am I getting my threads confused? Here it's against code to have a garbage disposal on a septic. We never put food or grease down the drain -- into the trash. Or into the woods, sometimes. Allan Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Allen - Your design was what we were going for, but when we got into the wall there is a stacked iron pipe that goes up as well as down, and also has a lateral run going behind the stove inside the wall. I don't know what the original configuration of the kitchen was, but it seems it is quite different now. I don't think there is a decent way to do a cleanout unless we can fit one between the iron pipe inside the wall and the new drain, but it would have to be in the space between the wall and the end of the cabinet [about 6]. Doesn't seem practical. I suspect the main thing would be to convince my darling wife that if she ever wishes to dispose of a quart of old ham salad again that the trash can is a far better place than the garbage disposal. The way it will be put together we will be able snake it from the junction of the PVC and the rubber connector if we need to again. Your input much appreciated. Thanks - BillR -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] spark plug leads.103
Is it possible to install conventional spark plug leads in a W103 engine so that 'R type plugs can be installed .? As I understand the resistance of the leads and the spark plug resistance combined causes poor performance in a103 engine. mak ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
The normal septic failure mode is when you go too long without pumping the solids out of the tank, and the solid stuff starts making it into the 2nd chamber and through the outlet, where the crap plugs the drainfield pipes. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lamp out
Oh. Guess too much was assumed. On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where I live, we refer to that as a statistic. No, being clever involves putting the handbrake on, switching the ignition to on and putting the gear selector into R and then walk around to the back of the vehicle and inspect reversing lights. Guys, the ignition being 'on' doesn't mean that the engine is running! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Speeding
On cross-country trips, I used to regularly cruise at triple digits and never got a ticket. I only traveled these speeds, however, behind expensive european touring cars that were very well driven and had radar detectors. I gave them plenty of room and drove smoothly and carefully. Now, of course, no one drives that fast any more, so neither do I. Only did so in very good weather, in my Merkur Scorpio. That car would really fly, and handled extremely well--better than my 300SD. The 300SD I also cruised pretty fast--90s or so. Mostly on I80, I 90, I 94, and most reliable on Quebec 401, but by the time I got it, the fast driving days were mostly over. Only tickets I've every gotten were at a few miles over the speed limit, in town or on two-lanes, when I wasn't paying attention and didn't think I was speeding. Dan On Nov 21, 2008, at 7:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy wrote: Even if one assumes a 75 mph speed limit, 129 is mort than 50 mph over the limit. That sort of thing often equates to large fines, seized vehicles and taking the bus to work for a few months. I agree and I don't think I will ever drive 120 mph (at least not again). I did test out the fuel cut-off switch on my Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera. At 110 the fuel cuts off and the car starts bucking and jerking until you get below 110. But, I had a good excuse. I was going from Topeka, Kansas to Lawrence, Kansas on the turnpike. I was running late for the Washburn Law Golf tournament. I couldn't be late. I knew all the Troopers on that section of the turnpike. But, I don't think I will be going that fast anytime soon. When I am out in Western Kansas and the roads are wide open and flat I will routinely drive 95-100 - at least in my old 300SEL. Once that big car got going, it would really fly. I haven't tried it in the Volvo. I wonder how many RPM's that little four cylinder would be turning at that speed. I once got pulled over going 100 in Arkansas. My grandfather had died. I was racing down to the Mississippi gulf coast to meet my father. I had my ticket in hand. I told the cop why I was speeding and showed him the plane ticket to show my urgency. He didn't give me a ticket, but told me to slow down. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Glow Plug Testing
Symptoms: * No glow light * Car will not start (plenty-o-juice) What I've done: * Replaced glow plug relay-still no light, no start What I did next: * Checked continuity from ignition side of 50 amp fuse all the way to last glow plug.all good. Will I still have continuity if a glow plug is bad? What should I do next? Bob R 77 300D 193K '05 E320 62K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Testing
This is about the '77 300D, isn't it? Original glow plug type and circuit? Not if the last glow plug is open (burnt). Measure resistance from it to ground (with it disconnected from the circuit). Will I still have continuity if a glow plug is bad? What should I do next? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Testing
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:29:06 -0700 Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Checked continuity from ignition side of 50 amp fuse all the way to last glow plug.all good. I presume this means you used an ohmmeter and put one probe on the 50 A fuse and the other probe on the glow plug's terminal. Correct? Will I still have continuity if a glow plug is bad? If you did what I wrote above, yes. Do you have voltage (10 - 12 V) on each of the glow plugs' terminals when the plugs should be glowing? What should I do next? If you have voltage, pull all of the glow plugs and, one by one, jumper them across the car's battery with some vice-grips and a 12 - 14 gauge wire. Grab the hex of the plug with the vice-grips and connect one end ot the wire to one battery terminal. Touch the vice-grips to the other battery terminal and the wire to the center post on the glow plug. The end of the plug should glow bright orange. Of course, I shouldn't have to say something glowing orange is very hot and can inflict serious burns even after it's stopped glowing orange. The vice-grips grabbing the hex of the glow plug is to keep you from getting burnt. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Testing
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:05:47 -0600 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is about the '77 300D, isn't it? Original glow plug type and circuit? OOPS! The glow plug testing information I just gave is for PARALLEL glow plugs, not series glow plugs. If you remove the plugs and see a circular loop of wire, DO NOT use the advice I just gave! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
You forgot to mention how much fun running an excavator would be! I don't think I could actually get my wife to let me do such a thing. I need to avoid exertion and stress, and I can tolerate neither cold nor heat. I do think we are ok now with the muriatic acid, though. It seems to be running fine. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Fay Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed Talking about septic tanks (which is rhyming slang for yanks BTW), my mothers septic is overflowing badly and she got some people out to see what the problem is. According to the experts she needs a new you beaut AU$11,000 septic system put in. Me being a skeptic smelled a rat because according to these 'experts' the ground was saturated and could not absorb the amount of overflow coming out. Funny thing is that we are in a drought and have not had a lot of water. Just so happens that a while back I bought a little half tonne micro excavator (a Kobelco SK005, which is now sporting a Chinese copy of the original Yanmar single cylinder Diesel engine because the original Yanmar got dusted due to a cracked inlet manifold) to do some landscaping around the house. Anyway took the excavator around to her place and started digging, turns out the pipe where the overflow comes out was blocked with soil. Had I know where the outlet was located I could have fixed her supposedly stuffed septic in half an hour with a spade. However know that I have the machine there I am going to install a proper Rein trench, which should last for quite some time and the total cost of the job should come in well under a grand. It makes me angry the way some of the trades people are ripping off unwary consumers, these dickheads did not make any effort to properly inspect the set up and determine the exact cause of the septic overflowing but instead made a few assumptions and did the thing that makes them the most money. Far as Bill's problems go, my suggestion is that if you are going to be living there for a while yet, get the system fixed up properly. As chemicals and pipe worms are a temporary solution. You can hire little excavators for a couple of hundred a day, they are not hard to operate on flat ground. Hendrik Bill R wrote: Thanks Loren. I was assuming it was something like that but it does help to know. Turns out that the blockage is about 10' down and out from the spot it goes into the wall between the entry hall and the kitchen. I now have a 12 x 12 hole in the entry hall wall just in case we could put a cleanout there. Not really any way, though maybe inside the cabinet. We took the big copper pipe off entirely - and it was about eaten through - and will replace it with pvc. A snake going down the cast iron pipe back there hit an obstruction, and we now have a slow drain once more. This gives me some hope it can be cured without digging. Going for a bit of the heavy duty pipe cleaner stuff [muratic acid?] that should eat through nearly anything that might be there, and the copper sulfate should take care of any roots if those were adding to the problems. This seems like a lot when we were looking at a slow drain; it looks a lot less when compared to bringing in a plumber and digging under the slab. We should know tonight. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swing axles
...a horizontal compensating spring was fitted between the rear axle and the right axle shaft to keep the car more stable under various driving conditions. So I guess it was a necessary improvement, but I don't understand how the spring contributes to stability It reduces the tendency to jack up in cornering like a swing axle VW or Triumph Spitfire, thereby puting the rear tires on their outer edges reducing traction. I installed a Camber Compensator on my VW KG long ago. And I think I may have installed on on my Porsche 356B. The handling of those old Benzs was not all that good. RLE ** One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
Yes, we do indeed have a garbage disposal of two of three kitchen sinks into two septic tanks. We are sort of careful about what goes into them, though. The exception to that would be the quart of old ham salad my darling wife decided to dump into ours. We have had some kitchen drain problems since then. A high percentage of homes in Jacksonville have septic tanks, which is one reason the river is polluted. The city is doing some major installations of sewer lines in many areas, but are starting with the low areas first. We are not far from the river, but are at 54' so flooding is only likely if the Atlantic ocean rises more than 50'. Should that happen a flooded septic system will be the least of our worries. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed Garbage disposal? On a septic? Or am I getting my threads confused? Here it's against code to have a garbage disposal on a septic. We never put food or grease down the drain -- into the trash. Or into the woods, sometimes. Allan Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Allen - Your design was what we were going for, but when we got into the wall there is a stacked iron pipe that goes up as well as down, and also has a lateral run going behind the stove inside the wall. I don't know what the original configuration of the kitchen was, but it seems it is quite different now. I don't think there is a decent way to do a cleanout unless we can fit one between the iron pipe inside the wall and the new drain, but it would have to be in the space between the wall and the end of the cabinet [about 6]. Doesn't seem practical. I suspect the main thing would be to convince my darling wife that if she ever wishes to dispose of a quart of old ham salad again that the trash can is a far better place than the garbage disposal. The way it will be put together we will be able snake it from the junction of the PVC and the rubber connector if we need to again. Your input much appreciated. Thanks - BillR -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
Insert any Linux bootable CD. Format the hard drive as FAT32. Reboot and insert XP install disk and follow all prompts. Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I would rather use XP, but this new computer I have had for a while came with Vista, and its very difficult to go back to xp on it. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
Had it pumped out last year. Should be good for another year. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed The normal septic failure mode is when you go too long without pumping the solids out of the tank, and the solid stuff starts making it into the 2nd chamber and through the outlet, where the crap plugs the drainfield pipes. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '92 300E 4matic
Hi Everyone, need some advise. There is a local 300E with just over 100,000 miles. Said to be in very good shape, certified, emissions tested etc. I've head they had some problems with the transfer cases on the 4matic cars? He's asking $2900. Is there a way to tell if the transfer case is giving problems, or are these cars best avoided. We can get a fair bit of snow here in the city, but they are good at clearing the roads and salting. My 300E 2 wheel drive only got a little stuck once last winter, but I really was asking a lot from the car when it happened. ;-) Thanks for your thoughts. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
I need one of those excavator thingies. I don't really have a use for it at this time, but the idea of having one is the balls. --R Hendrik Fay wrote: Talking about septic tanks (which is rhyming slang for yanks BTW), my mothers septic is overflowing badly and she got some people out to see what the problem is. According to the experts she needs a new you beaut AU$11,000 septic system put in. Me being a skeptic smelled a rat because according to these 'experts' the ground was saturated and could not absorb the amount of overflow coming out. Funny thing is that we are in a drought and have not had a lot of water. Just so happens that a while back I bought a little half tonne micro excavator (a Kobelco SK005, which is now sporting a Chinese copy of the original Yanmar single cylinder Diesel engine because the original Yanmar got dusted due to a cracked inlet manifold) to do some landscaping around the house. Anyway took the excavator around to her place and started digging, turns out the pipe where the overflow comes out was blocked with soil. Had I know where the outlet was located I could have fixed her supposedly stuffed septic in half an hour with a spade. However know that I have the machine there I am going to install a proper Rein trench, which should last for quite some time and the total cost of the job should come in well under a grand. It makes me angry the way some of the trades people are ripping off unwary consumers, these dickheads did not make any effort to properly inspect the set up and determine the exact cause of the septic overflowing but instead made a few assumptions and did the thing that makes them the most money. Far as Bill's problems go, my suggestion is that if you are going to be living there for a while yet, get the system fixed up properly. As chemicals and pipe worms are a temporary solution. You can hire little excavators for a couple of hundred a day, they are not hard to operate on flat ground. Hendrik Bill R wrote: Thanks Loren. I was assuming it was something like that but it does help to know. Turns out that the blockage is about 10' down and out from the spot it goes into the wall between the entry hall and the kitchen. I now have a 12 x 12 hole in the entry hall wall just in case we could put a cleanout there. Not really any way, though maybe inside the cabinet. We took the big copper pipe off entirely - and it was about eaten through - and will replace it with pvc. A snake going down the cast iron pipe back there hit an obstruction, and we now have a slow drain once more. This gives me some hope it can be cured without digging. Going for a bit of the heavy duty pipe cleaner stuff [muratic acid?] that should eat through nearly anything that might be there, and the copper sulfate should take care of any roots if those were adding to the problems. This seems like a lot when we were looking at a slow drain; it looks a lot less when compared to bringing in a plumber and digging under the slab. We should know tonight. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:42:29 -0600 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Insert any Linux bootable CD. Format the hard drive as FAT32. Actually formatting it as the default (ext2 or ext3) works very well. Then XP says, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS! and you can have XP format it NTFS, which is much better than FAT32. Reboot and insert XP install disk and follow all prompts. Yup, and wait around during the entire install because XP doesn't ask all the questions first like Linux typically does. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Backhoes [was: Re: plumbing / chemical help needed]
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:08:00 -0500 Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need one of those excavator thingies. I don't really have a use for it at this time, but the idea of having one is the balls. I rented a full-sized backhoe a few summers ago to put in a water line around the side of the house and dig up a huge stump that was next to the driveway. The tree had been cut down before we bought the place because its roots had heaved and broken the driveway. We found roots 6 in diameter 20 feet away from the tree. The water line's path required cutting through the roots of a large maple about 5 feet away from the tree, so the full-sized backhoe was what was required. Those and the tuff made things interesting. Also interesting was when I was digging up by the street and hit the gas line that I knew was there ... Craig P.S. I have LOTS of pictures if anyone is interested. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
Re: ext2/3...I didn't know XP would write over it or even know that the partition was there? Luther Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:42:29 -0600 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Insert any Linux bootable CD. Format the hard drive as FAT32. Actually formatting it as the default (ext2 or ext3) works very well. Then XP says, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS! and you can have XP format it NTFS, which is much better than FAT32. Reboot and insert XP install disk and follow all prompts. Yup, and wait around during the entire install because XP doesn't ask all the questions first like Linux typically does. Craig -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Testing
Diagnosing a series glow plug system is very simple: Take a voltmeter and measure voltage between the center and ring terminals of the glow plug. While glowing, each should show about 1V. More and you have a bad glow plug (or connection thereto), the higher the voltage the worse. 12V indicates a burnt-out plug. Less and you probably have a problem elsewhere. Look for the high voltage. Also ensure that the first plug is getting around 12V to ground. Might be a bit less due to the 'salt shaker'. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plumbing / chemical help needed
convince my darling wife that if she ever wishes to dispose of a quart of old ham salad again that the trash can is a far better place than the garbage disposal. As was explained to me long ago: it's perfectly acceptable to put food into a septic system, provided you have eaten it first. Otherwise, not. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spork plugs (380 SL)
Are the plugs in #6 and #7 normal (that is, do they have evidence of combustion)? If not, and you have gasoline fouling, it's time to replace At times. #7 is badly oil-fouled, usually. I've just replaced its stem seals, so we'll see if that makes any difference. the boot between the air horn of the fuel distributor and the throttle body, the throttle body to intake seal, and the seals between the two halves of the intake manifold (especially the latter). The heads were off some time before I got it, and when I got it, once sorted out, it ran very well. But lately it does not. Would the manifold seals fail like that, so quickly? I'd expect more trouble from the rubber boot, I'll try to have a look at that. It's down from 17 MPG to something more like 14 now. This stuff hard to get to? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spork plugs (380 SL)
Except for the boot between the air meter horn and the throttle body, yes. Naturally, you have to remove the fuel distributor to replace the boot. You have to pull the manifold to get to the throttle body seal and the manifold seals. Sadly, there is no reason to think that whoever pulled the heads took the manifold apart to replace the seals (it's in two parts, bolted together, with a rubber ring between the halves at all 8 runners). Also check for a leaking brake booster line or bad booster or other serious vacuum leak on that line -- IIRC, it screws into the rear of the manifold, and if there is a major leak there, it will cause the back two cylinders to run very lean. Peter On Nov 23, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Are the plugs in #6 and #7 normal (that is, do they have evidence of combustion)? If not, and you have gasoline fouling, it's time to replace At times. #7 is badly oil-fouled, usually. I've just replaced its stem seals, so we'll see if that makes any difference. the boot between the air horn of the fuel distributor and the throttle body, the throttle body to intake seal, and the seals between the two halves of the intake manifold (especially the latter). The heads were off some time before I got it, and when I got it, once sorted out, it ran very well. But lately it does not. Would the manifold seals fail like that, so quickly? I'd expect more trouble from the rubber boot, I'll try to have a look at that. It's down from 17 MPG to something more like 14 now. This stuff hard to get to? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:08:16 -0600 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: ext2/3...I didn't know XP would write over it or even know that the partition was there? Yeah, the partition table is the standard sort, so XP knows a partition is there, but the partition type number is something it doesn't understand. When I was fighting with XP/Intel motherboard and BIOS problems last year with 13 computers for a control system, I made sure I had a fresh install of XP each time I reloaded (which were many) by loading Linux and then re-loading XP. Loading Linux was quick and fun. Loading XP was slow and painful. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
It seems than at Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:08:16 -0600, Luther wrote: Re: ext2/3...I didn't know XP would write over it or even know that the partition was there? The partition and the file system are two totally separate things. XP by default will not know what to do with the file system. But it will recognize the partition. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, vista again
i'm a mandriva man myself, but there are lots of different flavors you can use. On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Insert any Linux bootable CD. Format the hard drive as FAT32. Reboot and insert XP install disk and follow all prompts. Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I would rather use XP, but this new computer I have had for a while came with Vista, and its very difficult to go back to xp on it. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
