Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
OK - Thanks to Don Peter - it just seemed a couple of the bolts were little more than finger tight - but I guess 18.4 #'s Ft. is not much more than finger tight. OK - no Locktite - but I will put a dab on anti-seize on the bolts - *Now for my next question:* Has anyone found a good way to clean the intake plenum? Looks like the inside of a flooded coal mine (at night) in there with a buildup of black stuff perhaps 1/8 thick. I'm tempted to drive the parts down to the local pressure car wash spray them off! But I hate to mess the place up for those who come behind me... Thx! Larry OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job From 14-1310 on the CD - 25nm, or 18.4 lb-ft. No lock-tite needed. All it needs is enough torque to seal to the head - On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:41 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang -- I have started to prep things so I can rebuild my delivery valves - I have the springs, washers and o-rings and started disassembling the intake stuff. One problem - when I started removing the bolts that hold the intake manifold to the head I found them to not be very tight - I was told by others on the list that the torque should be 20Nm/14-15ft-lbs which seems pretty low to me. I looked at my Data Book but could not find the torque for the intake bolts. I looked for 1/2 hour but could not find it. Can anyone confirm the torque value for the manifold bolts for my 602-962 engine? Also, should I use LockTite on the bolt threads? I'll look some more but would appreciate any help. Thx LarryT 91 300D 2.5T W124 -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age
There is a company-unicomp I think that still makes them. They have a line called the customizer which feels and sounds like a ps/2 era keyboard. They even make a USB version, but it's only available in a black case with grey keys (and windows keys) -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 17, 2010, at 1:25, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Might be true, but my smartphone keyboard types better than a netbook. It's all in the spacing, if you 2-thumb it you can get pretty good speed reasonably easy, and surprisingly little discomfort. I for one find the netbook keyboards in that awkward too small to type properly with 2 hands, but not small enough to thumb type category. My all-time favorite keyboard is an old IBM click-key model, with the individual switches per key. Saddly USB has eclipsed keyboard ports, and usb-ps/2 adapters won't work with it. It's the big old din connector, and uses a long dead protocol... I keep telling myself I'll make converter, but I never do... Walt On Feb 16, 2010 2:47 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://promos.asus.com/US/EeePC_Pinetrail/index.html Who else rememb... but that one's only 92% chiclet. Wasn't 'Chiclet' the term for the Tandy 1000's flat white keyboard? My Tandy's keyboard is much bigger than a 10 diagonal netbook. The advertising slogan for netbooks should be easier to type on than a smartphone. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.o... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I hear that B100 is really good for that. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 17, 2010, at 6:12, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: OK - Thanks to Don Peter - it just seemed a couple of the bolts were little more than finger tight - but I guess 18.4 #'s Ft. is not much more than finger tight. OK - no Locktite - but I will put a dab on anti-seize on the bolts - *Now for my next question:* Has anyone found a good way to clean the intake plenum? Looks like the inside of a flooded coal mine (at night) in there with a buildup of black stuff perhaps 1/8 thick. I'm tempted to drive the parts down to the local pressure car wash spray them off! But I hate to mess the place up for those who come behind me... Thx! Larry OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job From 14-1310 on the CD - 25nm, or 18.4 lb-ft. No lock-tite needed. All it needs is enough torque to seal to the head - On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:41 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang -- I have started to prep things so I can rebuild my delivery valves - I have the springs, washers and o-rings and started disassembling the intake stuff. One problem - when I started removing the bolts that hold the intake manifold to the head I found them to not be very tight - I was told by others on the list that the torque should be 20Nm/14-15ft-lbs which seems pretty low to me. I looked at my Data Book but could not find the torque for the intake bolts. I looked for 1/2 hour but could not find it. Can anyone confirm the torque value for the manifold bolts for my 602-962 engine? Also, should I use LockTite on the bolt threads? I'll look some more but would appreciate any help. Thx LarryT 91 300D 2.5T W124 -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Impressive... (Kaleb - you need to let this through pls)
Craig McCluskey wrote: URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100215/9691021a/attachment.bin All you need to do is click on the link and download it as attachment.bin, then change the name to attachment.wmv and play it in your video player. I got away with telling it to use Winblows Media Player to open the file, and then telling WMP that I realized it didn't recognize .bin as a valid file extension, but play it anyway, just to humor me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age
Walt Zarnoch wrote: Might be true, but my smartphone keyboard types better than a netbook. It's all in the spacing, if you 2-thumb it you can get pretty good speed reasonably easy, and surprisingly little discomfort. I for one find the netbook keyboards in that awkward too small to type properly with 2 hands, but not small enough to thumb type category. My all-time favorite keyboard is an old IBM click-key model, with the individual switches per key. Saddly USB has eclipsed keyboard ports, and usb-ps/2 adapters won't work with it. It's the big old din connector, and uses a long dead protocol... I never had an actual IBM AT keyboard, but I've got a couple of those PC keyboards with the mechanical ALPS switches that weigh about ten pounds. If only it had an F11 key, I'd think about building a converter, but I'd probably midd the numeric keypad. I haven't thumb typed much, but I have played games on cell phones. Even Sudoku and Othello give me sore thumbs in 10 minutes or less. Action games are worse. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
John Reames wrote: I hear that B100 is really good for that. What do you do, soak it in the stuff? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
Yes, one bad accumulator will cause the same symptom but to a lesser degree. I'd recommend replacing both this time, so you've got two new accumulators (old rule when replacing anything suspension/brake related is to do both sides of the axle at once to keep the car balanced). Replacing just one is like replacing just one bad shock absorber. I had just one bad accumulator, and it caused a very bouncy ride when towing my sail boat; I replaced both. I measured the distance from inlet to rubber diaphragm with a stick to compare new to old. One old was much 'deeper' than the other, and both old were 'deeper' than the new accumulators. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 Both were replaced a few thousand/ 2 years ago with one new and one supposedly good used one. If the used one went bad, would the symptoms be the same with TWO bad asccumulators? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: If the car isn't sagging too much, this is very likely the rear accumulators/spheres. They don't last forever. Definitely a DIY job. andrew strasfogel wrote: Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving. The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow. I should be able to extricate it by early March, if I am lucky. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
I've been thinking for awhile that to get your driver's license there should always be a motorcycle component. I'm not saying everybody should have a motorcycle endorsement but rather everybody should have at least say 4 hours motorcycle experience. I think the exposure (and the feeling of exposure while riding) makes you a better driver... -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:26:26 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Message-ID: 3485b4231002161926m6e7fd705k2f37779308a3...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 --R wrote: But if you look at crash and death data, the injuries and crashes and fatalities are due to inattentive driving, tailgating, drunkeness, and other stupid behaviors. I don't think that there is any way of getting rid of stupid. Perhaps a driver license should not be such a rite of passage between teenage and young adult, and perhaps most people really should not drive. i.e. more car pool, etc. - or like you, rid a bike. Too many drivers on the road that don't need to be there, plus, they have no attention being given to actual driving, on the whole. The issue of toyota is a shame, as there may be some small manufacturing error, but it seems the larger issue is the lack of carefulness in knowing how to operate the equipment and general inattentiveness. Hey, toyota is a big boy - they will do fine. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
Curt Raymond wrote: I think the exposure (and the feeling of exposure while riding) makes you a better driver... Some auto writer, I think it was Patrick Bedard, suggested that you could decrease automotive deaths and greatly decrease crashes if you mandated a steel spike in the center of the steering wheel instead of an airbag. Looking at your own impending doom would tend to make one drive more carefully. He was basing the idea on risk compensation, which I think motorists do engage in. Drivers have a certain tolerance for risk. If you lower their perception of risk through safety improvements to the car, they will compensate by decreasing the safety of their driving to bring the total risk back up to their comfort ceiling. The spike in the steering wheel would be a bitch if somebody ran a red light in front of you. You'd get spiked and they probably would not. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
I'm with Peter on all counts, traction control is a massive waste of time. I've never had it and never been off the road or in a crash. Defensive driving is way more important than technology. I'd suspect that traction control actually causes accidents in the same way I think AWD causes accidents. People drive too fast for conditions because My car is really good in snow and off the road they go. My in-laws are really good examples of people not smart enough to stay home when conditions are bad. They'll complain about the roads but god forbid they go to work an hour late once in awhile and let the plows get out. My father-in-law just bought a 4wd Dakota (which will never see even a gravel road) because his 2wd Frontier wasn't powerful enough and wasn't good in snow but he refused to add any weight to it or get snow tires... Most people (I know nobody on here) are amazed when they realize I drive a rear wheel drive car with no traction control all winter. I've been out in some humdinger storms too... -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:01:23 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Message-ID: 7e144ef0-634e-464c-9f40-6e00f4ef8...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed All you need for throttle reduction (and fuel cutoff works almost as well) is the spring loaded system MB used in the W126. Mehcanical throttle with a servo that can push it shut against a sprung rod, works pretty well. Since it only closes the throttle, it cannot stick open. There are several other ways to make it work, including using the stop light filaments as the ground for the throttle servo circuit. When the stop lamps are on, the control circuit goes dead. Any system that allow unintended throttle opening is faulty, they really have to be failsafe. This is why the throttle spring is on the throttle, not the dash -- that way if the linkage breaks, the throttle goes closed instead of falling wide open. Very expensive over-reliance on very complex electronics for very marginal results. I cannot be convinced that active traction control does much that a minimally competent driver can do. Antilock brakes are great, but individual wheel speed control to keep an SUV from falling over is B...sh... The only thing that's gonna keep a vehicle from rolling over in a minor accident, as all SUVs and Minivans do, is to lower the center of gravity about 18. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Take the intake to your local engine machine shop and let them clean it. It seems that every drop of splatter will stain forever, its nasty stuff. BTDT Thanks Harry *Now for my next question:* Has anyone found a good way to clean the intake plenum? . Thx! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now this is a pimp car!
Randy wrote: Oooh! Are we swapping the Cadillac for a Lincoln? I wouldn't be opposed to a Lincoln. BUT NOT THIS ONE! It is a true pimp car and would be fun to own. But, could you imagine driving this thing everyday. It would bankrupt me on gas. By 1978, the EPA regs would have forced this thing to be so detuned, I bet that big ole 400 cu in engine only puts out about 150 hp. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age
I paid a fortune for a Northgate keyboard back when they only made keyboards because it was as close to an IBM as I could afford (half the price) Still works great, or did until my ancient AT box croaked. I wish I could hook it up to my new dual processor box, I really dislike plastic bumper keyboards. I suppose that's because I learned to type on a Selectric, and anything other than that mechanical feel seem strange, even after 30 years. Peter -Original Message- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sent: Feb 17, 2010 12:39 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com writes: My all-time favorite keyboard is an old IBM click-key model, with the individual switches per key. Saddly USB has eclipsed keyboard ports, and usb-ps/2 adapters won't work with it. It's the big old din connector, and uses a long dead protocol... The IBM Model M design was bought from Lexmark by a company called Unicomp. They claim to produce keyboards with the classic IBM feel. http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/ -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I would also recommend changing to synthetic oil if you are not using it now -- I had very little crud at 270,000 miles with synthetic, and my brother had none, only liquid black slime. A cracked head, however, will cause all sorts of crap to collect at the EGR port, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] so useful
Ed wrote: Speaking of parts, I found the MB Classic Center's site last night. I had hoped there was a list of parts available, but from what I can see, you have to call with what you want. Thought it would be fun to go through their inventory and price a few 600 and Gullwing parts. Never know, my winning numbers could come in one day. hee hee Nice seque, Ed! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age
Mountain Man wrote: Our first family computer was a pcjr 20 years ago . . . When I was about 10 years old, my father bought me a Commodore Vic 20 for Christmas. The computer actually had 4K of memory, but you could buy this thing you inserted into the back of it which boosted it to 20K. Hence the name Vic 20. It had a TAPE drive. We had one game for it. It was called quizmaster. You put the tape in and waited A LONG TIME, and then the game was ready. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now this is a pimp car!
Wilton wrote: Need a velvet suit in the same red and a white fur hat to drive that car. AND a fancy cane with a big tigers head or a huge fake diamond! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now this is a pimp car!
I would guess that could be easily fixed. --R Donald Snook wrote: I bet that big ole 400 cu in engine only puts out about 150 hp. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership
Where? Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:24:51 -0600 John Robbins je...@msstate.edu wrote: http://picasaweb.google.com/TheTymbrymi/My2005E320CDI I know where pictures 6 - 11 were taken! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now this is a pimp car!
It was a lot like a Harley in that, when you stood on the gas, it made more noise, and drank more gas, but little else happened in the way for increased forward motion. Ed 300E On 17 February 2010 09:45, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Randy wrote: Oooh! Are we swapping the Cadillac for a Lincoln? I wouldn't be opposed to a Lincoln. BUT NOT THIS ONE! It is a true pimp car and would be fun to own. But, could you imagine driving this thing everyday. It would bankrupt me on gas. By 1978, the EPA regs would have forced this thing to be so detuned, I bet that big ole 400 cu in engine only puts out about 150 hp. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
FWIW, the traction control on my Crown Vic is pretty much useless. I turn it off when I'm on slippery surfaces. Dan --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 8:17 AM I'm with Peter on all counts, traction control is a massive waste of time. I've never had it and never been off the road or in a crash. Defensive driving is way more important than technology. I'd suspect that traction control actually causes accidents in the same way I think AWD causes accidents. People drive too fast for conditions because My car is really good in snow and off the road they go. My in-laws are really good examples of people not smart enough to stay home when conditions are bad. They'll complain about the roads but god forbid they go to work an hour late once in awhile and let the plows get out. My father-in-law just bought a 4wd Dakota (which will never see even a gravel road) because his 2wd Frontier wasn't powerful enough and wasn't good in snow but he refused to add any weight to it or get snow tires... Most people (I know nobody on here) are amazed when they realize I drive a rear wheel drive car with no traction control all winter. I've been out in some humdinger storms too... -Curt Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:01:23 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Message-ID: 7e144ef0-634e-464c-9f40-6e00f4ef8...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed All you need for throttle reduction (and fuel cutoff works almost as well) is the spring loaded system MB used in the W126. Mehcanical throttle with a servo that can push it shut against a sprung rod, works pretty well. Since it only closes the throttle, it cannot stick open. There are several other ways to make it work, including using the stop light filaments as the ground for the throttle servo circuit. When the stop lamps are on, the control circuit goes dead. Any system that allow unintended throttle opening is faulty, they really have to be failsafe. This is why the throttle spring is on the throttle, not the dash -- that way if the linkage breaks, the throttle goes closed instead of falling wide open. Very expensive over-reliance on very complex electronics for very marginal results. I cannot be convinced that active traction control does much that a minimally competent driver can do. Antilock brakes are great, but individual wheel speed control to keep an SUV from falling over is B...sh... The only thing that's gonna keep a vehicle from rolling over in a minor accident, as all SUVs and Minivans do, is to lower the center of gravity about 18. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] so useful
You have to work with what people give you, right. lol. ;-) Ed 300E On 17 February 2010 09:49, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Ed wrote: Speaking of parts, I found the MB Classic Center's site last night. I had hoped there was a list of parts available, but from what I can see, you have to call with what you want. Thought it would be fun to go through their inventory and price a few 600 and Gullwing parts. Never know, my winning numbers could come in one day. hee hee Nice seque, Ed! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
I agree with Curt. I know nothing about traction control electronics gizmos. I know a 240D can run all winter in some really nasty weather and be just fine. (and a 126 is probably better other than the stupid automatic transmission) The manual dual heater controls in the 240D help keep the windshield clean. The automobile industry is under the clutches of the worst characteristic of software programmers: Hey! I think i can do this, (Maybe) therefore we HAVE TO put in this software I am working on. (Bloatware, stupidware) The prime example was MS excel (was it 6 or 95?) that had 30mb of a scrolling starwars intro type cast of characters with the stars coming at you. I met the project manager for that version of excel once. He was way more proud of that bloatware than he was of excel. The guy was amazing, way wicked fast on excel though. He could build a spreadsheet with all the bells and whistles so fast you (or I at least) could not even comprehend how he was doing what he did, in order to be able to learn some tricks. This discussion of electronics in all new cars leads me to appreciate way more the 123 124 and 126 cars. I think I want to keep all mine so as to avoid all the toyodaness of fly by wire malfunctions The control wire I want in my cars and the planes I fly in are cables physically connected to the control surfaces. There is a growing body of evidence that a good number of unexplained airbus crashes are caused by failure of the electronic control system, and the lack of physically connected controls. The toyoda story is the same. Unexplained crashes cause by runamuck software programmers and a company sucked in by the programmer's hype rather than by good decisionmaking. It could have all been avoided by installing a key switch or a red emergency stop button on the toadas. It is reminiscent of the old Plymies with the pushbutton automatic transmission Most of them were crushed early because of failure of the switches. In the past, I have ranted about the stupid ACC MB used as opposed to the simple cables in the 110,111, 112, 108, 109, 113 etc. cars where you could absolutely control the heating and cooling and nothing ever failed, and the defrosters were way better than the 123,124,126 cars with ACCII. I completely avoided anything with ACCI (115 and 116) I drove VW and frod Dissels to avoid the MB stupidity of ACC. I'm with Peter on all counts, traction control is a massive waste of time. I've never had it and never been off the road or in a crash. Defensive driving is way more important than technology. I'd suspect that traction control actually causes accidents in the same way I think AWD causes accidents. People drive too fast for conditions because My car is really good in snow and off the road they go. My in-laws are really good examples of people not smart enough to stay home when conditions are bad. They'll complain about the roads but god forbid they go to work an hour late once in awhile and let the plows get out. My father-in-law just bought a 4wd Dakota (which will never see even a gravel road) because his 2wd Frontier wasn't powerful enough and wasn't good in snow but he refused to add any weight to it or get snow tires... Most people (I know nobody on here) are amazed when they realize I drive a rear wheel drive car with no traction control all winter. I've been out in some humdinger storms too... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
completely avoided anything with ACCI (115 and 116) I didn't think 115 had any ACC. The 107 and 123 have the dubious distinction of having had all three generations of HVAC system in them. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this
My indy has a 1978 300D. The heat does not work and he said it needs a water pump heater. I don't know what that is. But, if anyone knows what it is and has one for sale, let me know! Used is preferred because of the cost! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] O/T Aluminum Thermal Expansion
MAybe some one can help an old fellow who studied this 40 years ago and that hit CONTROL-ALT-DELETE on his brain at a Keg-101 class the next day. MAterial: common Aluminum Casting such as A356 I bore a hole 1. in it at 50° The temperature goes to 100° What size is the hole? I've simply forgot how to do this, you'll be old some day too. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: completely avoided anything with ACCI (115 and 116) I didn't think 115 had any ACC. My '74 240D had a confusing arrangement of two-by-two parallel slides, each of which did something I think, for the heater, plus of course the vent slide and the turn button in the middle. It also had an A/C wheel in the center of the console, the one that had the freon tube that went into the blower area. I thought that was ACCI? -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
The 115 300D had ACC, at least in the later years. completely avoided anything with ACCI (115 and 116) I didn't think 115 had any ACC. The 107 and 123 have the dubious distinction of having had all three generations of HVAC system in them. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this
Snookums, I got it new for $89.00. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this My indy has a 1978 300D. The heat does not work and he said it needs a water pump heater. I don't know what that is. But, if anyone knows what it is and has one for sale, let me know! Used is preferred because of the cost! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this
Rusty Cullens wrote: Snookums, I got it new for $89.00. Heater water pump? I think Snook should make sure it isn't the ACC servo first. Seems like it should work fine except at idle if it's only the auxiliary water pump. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age
My first TWO computers came from Service Merchandise, think about that for a sec... The first was a TI-99/4A which my dad said will last him through college. We got that around 1982 when it was already mostly obsolete. When I was in junior high I got an Atari 130XE which was the last of the Atari 8-bit computers and really the end of the golden age of home computing when you could buy computers at places like Service Merchandise and Kmart. The TI had 16K of RAM and is really my favorite computer ever. We had a tape player for it but most of the applications we had were on cartridge. In 2000 I paid $60 for an entire pickup truck load of TI stuff, 3 or 4 computers, a monitor, Epson dot matrix printer and the PEB (Peripheral Expansion Box) which added an RS-232 port (for the printer) another 32K of RAM and dual floppy drives, hot stuff! I just checked and I've got around 60 applications for the thing, games, office apps (not Y2K compliant) programming etc, even LOGO... -Curt Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:53:02 -0600 From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age Message-ID: a0121bfa28702c4fa69fc5d9ceb56d08a146564...@mtsqhexc2.mtsqh.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mountain Man wrote: Our first family computer was a pcjr 20 years ago . . . When I was about 10 years old, my father bought me a Commodore Vic 20 for Christmas. The computer actually had 4K of memory, but you could buy this thing you inserted into the back of it which boosted it to 20K. Hence the name Vic 20. It had a TAPE drive. We had one game for it. It was called quizmaster. You put the tape in and waited A LONG TIME, and then the game was ready. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this
Kinda fitting that I'm rebuilding mine right now :) The post with the pics and info tripped the list size limit, so it's in the moderation queue right now. Walt On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rusty Cullens wrote: Snookums, I got it new for $89.00. Heater water pump? I think Snook should make sure it isn't the ACC servo first. Seems like it should work fine except at idle if it's only the auxiliary water pump. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this
To Rusty (or anyone else with Info): Buried deep under the dash of a 1985 126 300SD is a mysterious box, the purpose of which, as I understand it, is to properly direct heating and cooling air flows based on instructions from the climate controller. Do you know of such a box, and if so, what is its proper name and what does a new one cost? Thanks. John P. -- From: Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this Snookums, I got it new for $89.00. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this My indy has a 1978 300D. The heat does not work and he said it needs a water pump heater. I don't know what that is. But, if anyone knows what it is and has one for sale, let me know! Used is preferred because of the cost! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: for those who grew up in the 8-bit age
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: I paid a fortune for a Northgate keyboard back when they only made keyboards because it was as close to an IBM as I could afford (half the price) Still works great, or did until my ancient AT box croaked. I wish I could hook it up to my new dual processor box, Why can't you? There are DIN to mini-DIN keyboard adapters, and DIN to USB (or mini-DIN to USB) if your current box doesn't have the old round DIN port. I am using a 1987 Model M on a year-old Linux box right now. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
WOW, that is awesomely useful advice. The only caveat is that the rear suspension is not so much bouncy as it is jarring when I go over bumps. Although the car rides nice and high, it feels like there is no give whatsoever in the rear, compared to the front which takes every bump smoothly with its new pair of Bilstein shocks. Andrew On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Yes, one bad accumulator will cause the same symptom but to a lesser degree. I'd recommend replacing both this time, so you've got two new accumulators (old rule when replacing anything suspension/brake related is to do both sides of the axle at once to keep the car balanced). Replacing just one is like replacing just one bad shock absorber. I had just one bad accumulator, and it caused a very bouncy ride when towing my sail boat; I replaced both. I measured the distance from inlet to rubber diaphragm with a stick to compare new to old. One old was much 'deeper' than the other, and both old were 'deeper' than the new accumulators. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 Both were replaced a few thousand/ 2 years ago with one new and one supposedly good used one. If the used one went bad, would the symptoms be the same with TWO bad asccumulators? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: If the car isn't sagging too much, this is very likely the rear accumulators/spheres. They don't last forever. Definitely a DIY job. andrew strasfogel wrote: Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving. The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow. I should be able to extricate it by early March, if I am lucky. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this
I was quoting aux water pump, if he needs a servo they're big money Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this Rusty Cullens wrote: Snookums, I got it new for $89.00. Heater water pump? I think Snook should make sure it isn't the ACC servo first. Seems like it should work fine except at idle if it's only the auxiliary water pump. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
ACC1 was the moronic chrysler ACC servo ACC II came out in 1985 or so The coonfusing arrangement was simple. Top was left heat and right heat. bottom was inside air or outside air and up or down. Switch in the middle was fan speed It was as near bulletproff as any heater can be. The wheel was switch and temp setting for A/C It is explained very clearly in the owners manual. None of this ACC c (rap) lets you control left or right heat separately On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: completely avoided anything with ACCI (115 and 116) I didn't think 115 had any ACC. My '74 240D had a confusing arrangement of two-by-two parallel slides, each of which did something I think, for the heater, plus of course the vent slide and the turn button in the middle. It also had an A/C wheel in the center of the console, the one that had the freon tube that went into the blower area. I thought that was ACCI? -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1604478596.html It's build like the tank! If this had an OM617 diesel I'd be all over it. What's with the wheels? G's have a unique offset, IIRC, so they are probably from a later one, right? I'd sell them and get plain steelies powder-coated black (might have to be custom-drilled for the bolt pattern, but I bet I'd still be ahead). http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1604474366.html 560SEL, probably a decent deal. It does have all new ignition, including a new cap and rota. Nice seat covers, NOT. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1604415347.html Fake DTM C230K. http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/ctd/1604362917.html Diesel W116. Other features: GREAT CAR. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/1604265352.html Four-door diesel 300CE. How often do you see one of those? http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1604208681.html 1990 420SEL with W140 body kit according to the pictures. Another rarity. http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/ctd/1604202228.html Cheap gas-guzzler W116, no doubt with broken climate control thingy. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1604186373.html Note to seller: Never admit that an old car has been used for towing. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1603994974.html '87 300D in the weirdest color combo ever---Smoke Silver over red!?! http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1602886326.html Keyword spamming is guaranteed to get someone looking for a Mercedes to buy your Chevy Aveo instead. http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1604476016.html She's calling you, Booher! http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1604404200.html This is what happens when you don't use protection, boys---you end up having to trade in your V-12 BMW for a minivan. http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/1603629187.html '94 BMW for sale; rally-prepped Avanti not for sale. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this
There are 2 boxes there. A 000 822 11 03 blower regulator control and 000 822 09 03 electronic switching apparatus. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: John P. English johnpengl...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this To Rusty (or anyone else with Info): Buried deep under the dash of a 1985 126 300SD is a mysterious box, the purpose of which, as I understand it, is to properly direct heating and cooling air flows based on instructions from the climate controller. Do you know of such a box, and if so, what is its proper name and what does a new one cost? Thanks. John P. -- From: Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this Snookums, I got it new for $89.00. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this My indy has a 1978 300D. The heat does not work and he said it needs a water pump heater. I don't know what that is. But, if anyone knows what it is and has one for sale, let me know! Used is preferred because of the cost! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
andrew strasfogel wrote: WOW, that is awesomely useful advice. The only caveat is that the rear suspension is not so much bouncy as it is jarring when I go over bumps. Although the car rides nice and high, it feels like there is no give whatsoever in the rear, compared to the front which takes every bump smoothly with its new pair of Bilstein shocks. The compressible gas in the spheres is what provides the 'give'. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2010 NE MB Chowdah Fest -Save the Date
It's now official- `The third (or fourth) annual New England Mercedes Chowdah fest picnic will again be held on the second Saturday of September -Sept 11, 2010 at Goddard State Park in Warwick RI., same picnic sites as last year #40-43. Mark your calendars now-and spend the next six months looking to buy a cheap Mercedes that might compete with Tom for the Jalopy Award or with Curt for the Cheapest Running MB award. We will also have a new award this year-we will see if anyone can top Fred in The best car stories in exotic parts of the globe' category. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 7122 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100217/d6634a06/attachment.jpe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1604474366.html 560SEL, probably a decent deal. It does have all new ignition, including a new cap and rota. Nice seat covers, NOT. Also has 'all four shocks' replaced. Oh yeah? That could mean the SLS is defunct. Some weird stuff you've collected there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this
And from what I've heard, they NEVER go bad. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.comwrote: There are 2 boxes there. A 000 822 11 03 blower regulator control and 000 822 09 03 electronic switching apparatus. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz http://www.buymbparts.biz/ Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: John P. English johnpengl...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this To Rusty (or anyone else with Info): Buried deep under the dash of a 1985 126 300SD is a mysterious box, the purpose of which, as I understand it, is to properly direct heating and cooling air flows based on instructions from the climate controller. Do you know of such a box, and if so, what is its proper name and what does a new one cost? Thanks. John P. -- From: Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this Snookums, I got it new for $89.00. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz http://www.buymbparts.biz/ Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this My indy has a 1978 300D. The heat does not work and he said it needs a water pump heater. I don't know what that is. But, if anyone knows what it is and has one for sale, let me know! Used is preferred because of the cost! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Licensing engineers
Perhaps today other qualifications work for someone to be an engineer, and so perhaps licensing is a credential that should be required. Yeah, look how well driver's licensing is working here. Safe, skilled, and courteous driving, that's what we've now got, right? NOT! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now this is a pimp car!
I was watching the great Seinfeld episonde last night in which Kramer is arrested as a pimp while wearing Joseph's Technicolor Dream Coat and a fancy feathered that he picked up from the sidewalk (it was blown off a woman's head). That had to be one of the Top 10 episdoes of all time. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:26 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: It was a lot like a Harley in that, when you stood on the gas, it made more noise, and drank more gas, but little else happened in the way for increased forward motion. Ed 300E On 17 February 2010 09:45, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Randy wrote: Oooh! Are we swapping the Cadillac for a Lincoln? I wouldn't be opposed to a Lincoln. BUT NOT THIS ONE! It is a true pimp car and would be fun to own. But, could you imagine driving this thing everyday. It would bankrupt me on gas. By 1978, the EPA regs would have forced this thing to be so detuned, I bet that big ole 400 cu in engine only puts out about 150 hp. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this
Buried deep under the dash of a 1985 126 300SD is a mysterious box, the purpose of which, as I understand it, is to properly direct heating and cooling air flows based on instructions from the climate controller. Do you know of such a box, and if so, what is its proper name and what does a new one cost? Have you the ACC with the little translucent AUTO switch, or the big square AUTO switch? They're different. The former (older) has three main components, plus a vacuum valve block. Temperature regulator, blower speed regulator, and the pushbutton array. The latter has the three parts integrated into the pushbutton array. The problems lie 90% in the pushbutton array, at least so I've seen. To which you add all the vacuum pods, the monovalve, auxiliary water pump and AC compressor, etc. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
The 115 300D had ACC, at least in the later years. Weren't there only two years of 115 300D? 75-76? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
I thought that was ACCI? The A stands for automatic. Was it automatic? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Parts request for Kaleb or anyone else that has this
My indy has a 1978 300D. The heat does not work and he said it needs a water pump heater. I don't know what that is. If it's the auxiliary water pump, you don't really need it. Unless you spend a lot of time at idle in the cold climates. Bypass it, or at least just unplug it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I second that recommendation. I've tried cleaning it myself, it quickly turned into a really messy nasty job. If you want it clean, pay a professional. Marshall always used to say that cleaning them would make NO difference in performance. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Take the intake to your local engine machine shop and let them clean it. It seems that every drop of splatter will stain forever, its nasty stuff. BTDT Thanks Harry *Now for my next question:* Has anyone found a good way to clean the intake plenum? . Thx! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K.
But you will get dirtier trying to change the oil filter than you will changing the oil bath air cleaner unless you are awfully ham fisted. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K. yes, it has an oil bath filter. Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1602599145.html '76 240D... are these the ones with the icky oil bath air filter (as in every time you change it you take a bath in oil)? I wonder how rusty it is, and whether the blower fan works? What else should I look for if I go and take a look at it? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1604474366.html 560SEL, probably a decent deal. It does have all new ignition, including a new cap and rota. Nice seat covers, NOT. Also has 'all four shocks' replaced. Oh yeah? That could mean the SLS is defunct. When I was buying my 500SEL Euro with Hydramat (i.e. SLS at all four corners, more or less, but without any springs, kind of like a Citroen), my first phone conversation with the seller went like this: Seller: It needs new shocks. Me: You mean the hydraulic rams---the things that look like shocks? S: I don't know. It rides like it needs new shocks. M: Rides how? S: Like really hard. M: So you haven't been driving it? S: Oh no, I drive it to work. The roads are pretty smooth between here and there. M: Were you planning to fix it? S: Nah. I couldn't believe he'd been driving the thing with no pressure at all in the accumulators. When I went to look at it, it came up to normal ride height in a few minutes after sitting overnight in kneeling camel position, so I figured the rams and pump were OK. But on a test drive it was like there was no suspension at all. Every bump went right up your spine. Never could figure out why it didn't bother the PO to leave it like that. I know that having been driven for a while with no accumulators it will probably need other components replaced that were stressed thereby. But I got the car for $700 IIRC, so I rationalized it by putting it into the worthless crap that's fun to play with category. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:29 AM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: But you will get dirtier trying to change the oil filter than you will changing the oil bath air cleaner unless you are awfully ham fisted. Aha, that's what I was thinking of. I knew there was some kind of oil-to-mechanic delivery system installed on W115 240Ds at the factory. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4 wheel drive
I almost volunteered to join an 'adventure' in north Africa because the chosen vehicles were diesel Land Rover's. I don't remember the reason for the adventure now, something along the lines of 'because we can', but in the end I decided against it. I still think that was a wise decision. I'm lusting after a diesel G-wagon now, fortunately I'm already fully employed with my '95 E300 project so I can't get too serious about looking. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4 wheel drive On our recent trip to Ecuador, and then reading about a guy who wanted to take a motorcycle from Alaska to TdF, it got me thinking about what kind of vehicle I would take to do that trip. 4x4, some kind of diesel truck probably to haul spares, tents, cooking stuff, etc. and reasonably comfortable. I sorta came down to some kind of Toyota truck or SUV thing as my understanding is that they are fairly bulletproof (so to speak) and your average 3rd worlder fixes them every day with parts sold at the local tiendita. Then the other day on NPR I hear a story about the Talibans or Alkadas or some of them getting a whole load of Toyota 4x4 trucks to go after the Russians back when, and completely falling in love with the things for the thrashings they could take, the ease of repair, and general utility. Apparently the donation was arranged by Japan and ended up promoting their brands big time in the 3rd world to the point where they are dominant today, not only among your casual and dedicated rabblerousers but the population in general too. So a diesel Toyota 4x4, basic model, big tires, maybe a mild lift, winches, cowcatcher, and off-road stuff. Or maybe an older Hyundai, they licensed the Mitsu vehicles, which seem pretty sturdy, and built them for awhile until they got their act together to engineer their own. I don't think I would want to rely on a Benz unless I had a factory support team along. --R OK Don wrote: What's the issue with the ML's? All I remember is everyone describing them as trash. As I get closer to retiring, and thinking of where I want to go to take pictures, 4 wheel drive and a bit of ground clearance are becoming appealing. However, I'm an MB snob/addict so the ML series looks like an option. I suspect that the GL's are way out of my price range, but then again, I haven't even started shopping yet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness
It only needs 2. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness Alex Chamberlain wrote: I couldn't believe he'd been driving the thing with no pressure at all in the accumulators. When I went to look at it, it came up to normal ride height in a few minutes after sitting overnight in kneeling camel position, so I figured the rams and pump were OK. If I bought that, I'd drop the tires to 20psi, drive it home gently, and order four accumulators. You might be lucky, but no reason to continue to push the luck. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness
Alex Chamberlain wrote: I couldn't believe he'd been driving the thing with no pressure at all in the accumulators. When I went to look at it, it came up to normal ride height in a few minutes after sitting overnight in kneeling camel position, so I figured the rams and pump were OK. If I bought that, I'd drop the tires to 20psi, drive it home gently, and order four accumulators. You might be lucky, but no reason to continue to push the luck. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
The other day leaving work, I was behind a woman texting while driving, and she could not stay in her lane. At first I thought she was drunk, but after observing her from behind I figured out the problem and waited to pass once she put her phone down and was looking at the road again. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib snip Crash report is not final but there was no indication of intoxication. Speculation is that she was texting. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: I couldn't believe he'd been driving the thing with no pressure at all in the accumulators. When I went to look at it, it came up to normal ride height in a few minutes after sitting overnight in kneeling camel position, so I figured the rams and pump were OK. If I bought that, I'd drop the tires to 20psi, drive it home gently, and order four accumulators. You might be lucky, but no reason to continue to push the luck. I trailered it home (40-some miles). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: It only needs 2. Nope, five accumulators, just like a 450SEL 6.9. One for each corner, and one that's the master---smoothes out changes in pressure in the others and in the hydraulic rams, and feeds the system pressure gauge, near as I can tell from the service manuals. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness
Stop teasing me!! lol I will have a 560 one day! ;-) Ed 300E On 17 February 2010 11:38, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1604474366.html 560SEL, probably a decent deal. It does have all new ignition, including a new cap and rota. Nice seat covers, NOT. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness
What car is this? Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: It only needs 2. Nope, five accumulators, just like a 450SEL 6.9. One for each corner, and one that's the master---smoothes out changes in pressure in the others and in the hydraulic rams, and feeds the system pressure gauge, near as I can tell from the service manuals. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now this is a pimp car!
lmao...When this thread first started, and a velvet suit was mentioned as required dress to drive an old Lincoln, Kramer, and the episode you mention was the first thing that came to mind. lol Ed 300E On 17 February 2010 11:55, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I was watching the great Seinfeld episonde last night in which Kramer is arrested as a pimp while wearing Joseph's Technicolor Dream Coat and a fancy feathered that he picked up from the sidewalk (it was blown off a woman's head). That had to be one of the Top 10 episdoes of all time. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:26 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: It was a lot like a Harley in that, when you stood on the gas, it made more noise, and drank more gas, but little else happened in the way for increased forward motion. Ed 300E On 17 February 2010 09:45, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Randy wrote: Oooh! Are we swapping the Cadillac for a Lincoln? I wouldn't be opposed to a Lincoln. BUT NOT THIS ONE! It is a true pimp car and would be fun to own. But, could you imagine driving this thing everyday. It would bankrupt me on gas. By 1978, the EPA regs would have forced this thing to be so detuned, I bet that big ole 400 cu in engine only puts out about 150 hp. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
'Came upon a woman driver from behind coupla years ago; she was driving very erratically - speed up and down, weaving side to side, etc. 'First thought she was drunk. 'Finally timed my passing her as she started to the right on her weave cycle. My front passenger looked down into her car as we passed; she was doing a crossword puzzle in her lap with pencil/pen. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada The other day leaving work, I was behind a woman texting while driving, and she could not stay in her lane. At first I thought she was drunk, but after observing her from behind I figured out the problem and waited to pass once she put her phone down and was looking at the road again. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib snip Crash report is not final but there was no indication of intoxication. Speculation is that she was texting. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Licensing engineers, was Re: more reasons not to be in a Toada
Degrees were from The Cooper Union and NYU, 1960s. He worked in NY and NJ. Probably licensure would not have been required as he provided engineering services internally for large outfits. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Licensing engineers, was Re: more reasons not to be in a Toada On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Back is the days before the occupation software engineer existed, my brother received a BS in mechanical engineering and a MS in industrial engineering. In those days, such degrees were adequate credentials for a working engineer. Perhaps today other qualifications work for someone to be an engineer, and so perhaps licensing is a credential that should be required. The whole business is kinda confusing. Interesting, what state? NC has required PE licensure since 1977 and I thought we were usually behind the median on such things. The license isn't that difficult to get: accredited BS or greater in engineering, some number of years progressive work experience, recommendations, pass two day-long knowledge tests, and agree to protect the health and well-being of the public above allegiance to employer. The carrot is that you know people who are licensed are at least minimally competent to pass the tests [but doesn't necessarily mean they are good at what you need them to do, or would make good employees]. The stick is that, if you build Tacoma Narrows, you probably are going to lose your license and never be able to work in engineering again, so you have personal incentive to think before you sign your name on that drawing. In NC there are exceptions to licensing if you are working strictly on in-company products, maintenance, under the direction of a PE (which can be interpreted pretty loosely :), etc., so it may be that it just didn't apply in his case. If you were looking for work with a company I don't think anyone would enforce that you couldn't use engineer, but advertising services to the public technically crosses the line set out in the statute. -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
I think a tiered driver's license scheme could work, and create incentive for folks to improve their driving skills. The higher tiers would allow one to exceed posted speed limits by 10 or 20 mph under the right conditions (light traffic, good weather, vehicle in safe operating condition). Lower tiers would have restrictions like day-light only, no passengers except other driver's with higher tier licenses, no highway driving. Then you could restrict vehicle type by license type as well. More than 100HP? More than 3500 lbs GVW? You need a Tier 3 license to drive that! 200+ HP? Tier 4! At fault in a collision? Lose two tiers of license! Texting while driving? Back to Tier 1 -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Curt Raymond wrote: I think the exposure (and the feeling of exposure while riding) makes you a better driver... Some auto writer, I think it was Patrick Bedard, suggested that you could decrease automotive deaths and greatly decrease crashes if you mandated a steel spike in the center of the steering wheel instead of an airbag. Looking at your own impending doom would tend to make one drive more carefully. He was basing the idea on risk compensation, which I think motorists do engage in. Drivers have a certain tolerance for risk. If you lower their perception of risk through safety improvements to the car, they will compensate by decreasing the safety of their driving to bring the total risk back up to their comfort ceiling. The spike in the steering wheel would be a bitch if somebody ran a red light in front of you. You'd get spiked and they probably would not. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123
I've heard people describe it both ways, but the cause is the same: lack of nitrogen in the accumulators. The valves in the hydraulic struts and the accumulators provide the same function as shock absorbers (but the valves in the struts do not wear out, so prime suspect is the accumulators). The control valve provides load leveling capability. If you continue to drive it, you risk damaging the control valve, which is pricey to replace. There are rebuild kits available; I tried twice and failed to successfully rebuild one. David Bruckman maybe has had better success? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 WOW, that is awesomely useful advice. The only caveat is that the rear suspension is not so much bouncy as it is jarring when I go over bumps. Although the car rides nice and high, it feels like there is no give whatsoever in the rear, compared to the front which takes every bump smoothly with its new pair of Bilstein shocks. Andrew On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Yes, one bad accumulator will cause the same symptom but to a lesser degree. I'd recommend replacing both this time, so you've got two new accumulators (old rule when replacing anything suspension/brake related is to do both sides of the axle at once to keep the car balanced). Replacing just one is like replacing just one bad shock absorber. I had just one bad accumulator, and it caused a very bouncy ride when towing my sail boat; I replaced both. I measured the distance from inlet to rubber diaphragm with a stick to compare new to old. One old was much 'deeper' than the other, and both old were 'deeper' than the new accumulators. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 Both were replaced a few thousand/ 2 years ago with one new and one supposedly good used one. If the used one went bad, would the symptoms be the same with TWO bad asccumulators? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: If the car isn't sagging too much, this is very likely the rear accumulators/spheres. They don't last forever. Definitely a DIY job. andrew strasfogel wrote: Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULTIMATE 123 My 83 wagon (with the 85 transmission) is pure joy to drive, although it takes the bumps a bit harshly in the rear (can't figure out why) and the fuel economy is disappointing for stop and go driving. The 85 wagon is buried under 33 of snow. I should be able to extricate it by early March, if I am lucky. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: The other day leaving work, I was behind a woman texting while driving, and she could not stay in her lane. At first I thought she was drunk, but after observing her from behind I figured out the problem and waited to pass once she put her phone down and was looking at the road again. Call 9-1-1, give them her plate number, and tell them she appears to be intoxicated and can't keep her car in one lane due to excessive weaving. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2010 NE MB Chowdah Fest -Save the Date
Dwight. Gee, Dwight. I thought you might be entertained. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 2/17/2010 11:54 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: We will also have a new award this year-we will see if anyone can top Fred in The best car stories in exotic parts of the globe' category. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness
The thread started out about 560SELs, but Mitch and I were talking about my 500SEL Euro. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: What car is this? Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: It only needs 2. Nope, five accumulators, just like a 450SEL 6.9. One for each corner, and one that's the master---smoothes out changes in pressure in the others and in the hydraulic rams, and feeds the system pressure gauge, near as I can tell from the service manuals. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
You wrote cleaning them would make NO difference in performance. To preserve my sanity I'm going to think I've restored 15hp by cleaning this mess! Later - now, to rest - then look for the bolt. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job I second that recommendation. I've tried cleaning it myself, it quickly turned into a really messy nasty job. If you want it clean, pay a professional. Marshall always used to say that cleaning them would make NO difference in performance. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Take the intake to your local engine machine shop and let them clean it. It seems that every drop of splatter will stain forever, its nasty stuff. BTDT Thanks Harry *Now for my next question:* Has anyone found a good way to clean the intake plenum? . Thx! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
I like the tier to HP connection. I also like it for weight. Under 150hp and 2 tons - tier 1 150-200hp or 2 - 3 tons - tier 2 200-250hp or 3-4 tons - tier 3 250+hp - tier 4 I think for the most part it would just be men getting anything above tier 3... I also think this would keep people out of stupidly big vehicles. -Curt Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:27:49 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801db9...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think a tiered driver's license scheme could work, and create incentive for folks to improve their driving skills. The higher tiers would allow one to exceed posted speed limits by 10 or 20 mph under the right conditions (light traffic, good weather, vehicle in safe operating condition). Lower tiers would have restrictions like day-light only, no passengers except other driver's with higher tier licenses, no highway driving. Then you could restrict vehicle type by license type as well. More than 100HP? More than 3500 lbs GVW? You need a Tier 3 license to drive that! 200+ HP? Tier 4! At fault in a collision? Lose two tiers of license! Texting while driving? Back to Tier 1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2010 NE MB Chowdah Fest -Save the Date
Fred-we are entertained -that's the point- and I want to encourage more story telling. Your stories are from places I didn't know existed or have changed their names several times and about models of cars that I have only ever read about. In fact we should call the award the Fred Moir award. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2010 NE MB Chowdah Fest -Save the Date Dwight. Gee, Dwight. I thought you might be entertained. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 2/17/2010 11:54 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: We will also have a new award this year-we will see if anyone can top Fred in The best car stories in exotic parts of the globe' category. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K.
I have learned how (at least I hope so) to do my old 300D. I put it up on ramps so that I can get under far enough to see that I have the canister lined up properly. It is easy enough to get the bolt off center and then it will sort of tighten into the groove rather than the threaded part it is intended to be in. Then it will leak and you will bend the canister lip so that it needs to be straightened. I learned this the hard way obviously. I do wish I had the slightly more modern version so I could just do it all from up top. I like the car but that alone might make me swap if the right one came along. That plus the turbo would be nice too. I really want an early 80's SD but I don't really want a worn out one and they are obviously becoming more difficult to find. Randy in Winnipeg where the sun is shining and the snow is melting even though it is still a long way to spring -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:29 AM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: But you will get dirtier trying to change the oil filter than you will changing the oil bath air cleaner unless you are awfully ham fisted. Aha, that's what I was thinking of. I knew there was some kind of oil-to-mechanic delivery system installed on W115 240Ds at the factory. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
Last time I did that, dispatcher put me on hold while I followed, we crossed into different police jurisdiction, had to hang up and dial 911 to get new dispatcher, on hold again, at that point I'm nearly as much of a hazard as the drunk driver, I hung up. Where I live (Charleston) one can cross three different police jurisdictions in less than 10 minutes, and the drunk driving laws (South Carolina) are so lax that a good attorney and a few grand will get you back on the road in no time. Good thought, I'm skeptical that it does much good though... I avoid driving after 10 p.m. on weekends to improve my odds vs. the drunk drivers. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: The other day leaving work, I was behind a woman texting while driving, and she could not stay in her lane. At first I thought she was drunk, but after observing her from behind I figured out the problem and waited to pass once she put her phone down and was looking at the road again. Call 9-1-1, give them her plate number, and tell them she appears to be intoxicated and can't keep her car in one lane due to excessive weaving. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
I realized after I posted that I had left out the part about increasingly difficult tests/qualifications required for higher tiers, as well as increasing cost. Just need to drive back and forth to work? Tier 1 (daylight) or tier 2 (day and night) will be fine, low cost, high-school driver's ed. and some experience required. Tier 4/5 or whatever, significantly higher cost, X-years experience, maybe minimum age of 25, spotless record for last three years, demonstrate on a closed track a much higher level of ability, renew ALL requirements every five years. This may not fix all the poor driving, but I think it would help. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:23 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada I like the tier to HP connection. I also like it for weight. Under 150hp and 2 tons - tier 1 150-200hp or 2 - 3 tons - tier 2 200-250hp or 3-4 tons - tier 3 250+hp - tier 4 I think for the most part it would just be men getting anything above tier 3... I also think this would keep people out of stupidly big vehicles. -Curt Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:27:49 -0500 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801db9...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think a tiered driver's license scheme could work, and create incentive for folks to improve their driving skills. The higher tiers would allow one to exceed posted speed limits by 10 or 20 mph under the right conditions (light traffic, good weather, vehicle in safe operating condition). Lower tiers would have restrictions like day-light only, no passengers except other driver's with higher tier licenses, no highway driving. Then you could restrict vehicle type by license type as well. More than 100HP? More than 3500 lbs GVW? You need a Tier 3 license to drive that! 200+ HP? Tier 4! At fault in a collision? Lose two tiers of license! Texting while driving? Back to Tier 1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class
My indy has a 1995 C280. The transmission went out, he has replaced it. The car has 151,000 miles. It looks like its in really nice shape. Dark Blue inside and out. I would be interested, but I just feel cramped in it. Not enough shoulder room. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class
Sorry, Correction. It's a 1998 C280 Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me. -Original Message- From: Donald Snook Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:14 PM To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: Anyone looking for a C-Class My indy has a 1995 C280. The transmission went out, he has replaced it. The car has 151,000 miles. It looks like its in really nice shape. Dark Blue inside and out. I would be interested, but I just feel cramped in it. Not enough shoulder room. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class
How much is he asking? On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:16 -0600, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Sorry, Correction. It's a 1998 C280 Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K.
Does anyone know if the 123 body 300D ever had or can be equipped with an oil bath air filter? If so where could I find one? Manfred Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:04:18 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gumptastic W115 for Kevin K. yes, it has an oil bath filter. Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1602599145.html '76 240D... are these the ones with the icky oil bath air filter (as in every time you change it you take a bath in oil)? I wonder how rusty it is, and whether the blower fan works? What else should I look for if I go and take a look at it? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Sudden acceleration
So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some automotive engineer, I think) on the radio saying that the least powerful brakes are going to easily overpower the most powerful engine.This suggests that applying your brakes firmly in an unexpected acceleration situation would prevent a catastrophe. I'm thinking, on the one hand, of the California Highway Patrolman whose car reached high speed before crashing and burning. Surely he would have applied his brakes fervently. And witnesses claimed they saw smoke at his wheels indicating he had burned out his brakes. On the other hand, if we're talking about my 82 240D, a case of sudden unexpected acceleration would merely have relieved me of the annoyance of having to keep my foot pressed down hard on the accelerator to keep the car at freeway speed. Whadda you guys think? Jerry 1982 240D 78 horsepower __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration
I think that 80% biased front brakes and RWD == uncontrollable donuts. In the case of your 240d, you are almost certainly correct :D. There is a good thread on my forums about a guy who is trying to make drive by wire for our om61x's but I have to wonder to what end. We are all planning on using throttle position to control the VNT vanes but I'd just as soon have my foot drive instead of a computer. -Rolf On 02/17/2010 03:19 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote: So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some automotive engineer, I think) on the radio saying that the least powerful brakes are going to easily overpower the most powerful engine.This suggests that applying your brakes firmly in an unexpected acceleration situation would prevent a catastrophe. I'm thinking, on the one hand, of the California Highway Patrolman whose car reached high speed before crashing and burning. Surely he would have applied his brakes fervently. And witnesses claimed they saw smoke at his wheels indicating he had burned out his brakes. On the other hand, if we're talking about my 82 240D, a case of sudden unexpected acceleration would merely have relieved me of the annoyance of having to keep my foot pressed down hard on the accelerator to keep the car at freeway speed. Whadda you guys think? Jerry 1982 240D 78 horsepower __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration
Jerry Herrman wrote: So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some automotive engineer, I think) on the radio saying that the least powerful brakes are going to easily overpower the most powerful engine.This suggests that applying your brakes firmly in an unexpected acceleration situation would prevent a catastrophe. I'm thinking, on the one hand, of the California Highway Patrolman whose car reached high speed before crashing and burning. Surely he would have applied his brakes fervently. And witnesses claimed they saw smoke at his wheels indicating he had burned out his brakes. I think the fool tried to slow the car down with the brakes and cooked them. 300hp should be no match for cool 4 wheel disks, if and only if you stand on the brakes and stop the car before they turn red. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration
Brakes will easily stall the engine, or lock it to the torque convertor's stall speed. Try it, you'll do no harm. As a drag racer of years gone by, you could easily hold the power of a duel quad hemi with manual drum brakes. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:19:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some automotive engineer, I think) on the radio saying that the least powerful brakes are going to easily overpower the most powerful engine.This suggests that applying your brakes firmly in an unexpected acceleration situation would prevent a catastrophe. I'm thinking, on the one hand, of the California Highway Patrolman whose car reached high speed before crashing and burning. Surely he would have applied his brakes fervently. And witnesses claimed they saw smoke at his wheels indicating he had burned out his brakes. On the other hand, if we're talking about my 82 240D, a case of sudden unexpected acceleration would merely have relieved me of the annoyance of having to keep my foot pressed down hard on the accelerator to keep the car at freeway speed. Whadda you guys think? Jerry 1982 240D 78 horsepower __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class
Allan S. wrote: How much is he asking? He has it advertised for $5995, but I bet it can be had for less than that. Although, I am sure the new transmission was pricey! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration
Holding is far different from slowing from 70+ mph. I think you may only get one shot to get it right, and certainly if you just try to slow the car first and then try to go to full brakes, you may have missed the window because the brakes will overheat and cook. Also, how many of these older cars have had the brake fluid changed every year or two? Most folks NEVER change the brake fluid, so boiling the fluid and losing all brakes becomes a possibility. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration Brakes will easily stall the engine, or lock it to the torque convertor's stall speed. Try it, you'll do no harm. As a drag racer of years gone by, you could easily hold the power of a duel quad hemi with manual drum brakes. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:19:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some automotive engineer, I think) on the radio saying that the least powerful brakes are going to easily overpower the most powerful engine.This suggests that applying your brakes firmly in an unexpected acceleration situation would prevent a catastrophe. I'm thinking, on the one hand, of the California Highway Patrolman whose car reached high speed before crashing and burning. Surely he would have applied his brakes fervently. And witnesses claimed they saw smoke at his wheels indicating he had burned out his brakes. On the other hand, if we're talking about my 82 240D, a case of sudden unexpected acceleration would merely have relieved me of the annoyance of having to keep my foot pressed down hard on the accelerator to keep the car at freeway speed. Whadda you guys think? Jerry 1982 240D 78 horsepower __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration
The stopping action of the brakes can be overridden by the traction control and/or ABS in my 99 E300. Stability control also needs to take control of the brakes away from the driver if needed. In a modern car, systems could interact in ways difficult to reproduce. -Dave Walton On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Brakes will easily stall the engine, or lock it to the torque convertor's stall speed. Try it, you'll do no harm. As a drag racer of years gone by, you could easily hold the power of a duel quad hemi with manual drum brakes. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:19:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some automotive engineer, I think) on the radio saying that the least powerful brakes are going to easily overpower the most powerful engine.This suggests that applying your brakes firmly in an unexpected acceleration situation would prevent a catastrophe. I'm thinking, on the one hand, of the California Highway Patrolman whose car reached high speed before crashing and burning. Surely he would have applied his brakes fervently. And witnesses claimed they saw smoke at his wheels indicating he had burned out his brakes. On the other hand, if we're talking about my 82 240D, a case of sudden unexpected acceleration would merely have relieved me of the annoyance of having to keep my foot pressed down hard on the accelerator to keep the car at freeway speed. Whadda you guys think? Jerry 1982 240D 78 horsepower __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class
Donald, My local stealer here was using C class as loaners and I have driven several of them-not big enough for me and IMHO-no real Mercedes feel. Now the stealer Is using E class (210)-all beat up but still Mercedes feel. I personally wouldnt want a C class of that era. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:14 PM To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class My indy has a 1995 C280. The transmission went out, he has replaced it. The car has 151,000 miles. It looks like its in really nice shape. Dark Blue inside and out. I would be interested, but I just feel cramped in it. Not enough shoulder room. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class
When I hear C Classes of that vintage, I think rust. I know Mercedes were having their problems around that time, and I've noticed a number of S Classes of that same vintage, with a lot more rust than you'd expect. Ed 300E On 17 February 2010 15:40, Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net wrote: Donald, My local stealer here was using C class as loaners and I have driven several of them-not big enough for me and IMHO-no real Mercedes feel. Now the stealer Is using E class (210)-all beat up but still Mercedes feel. I personally wouldn’t want a C class of that era. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:14 PM To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class My indy has a 1995 C280. The transmission went out, he has replaced it. The car has 151,000 miles. It looks like its in really nice shape. Dark Blue inside and out. I would be interested, but I just feel cramped in it. Not enough shoulder room. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
On Gump, which Marshall was quick to point out belongs to another set of rules, the cleaning of the intake did make her drive a bit better. I used brake cleaner while the intake was still on. I plan to remove and replace the current intake with one I have thoroughly cleaned when the head work is done clay On Feb 17, 2010, at 11:08 AM, LarryT wrote: You wrote cleaning them would make NO difference in performance. To preserve my sanity I'm going to think I've restored 15hp by cleaning this mess! Later - now, to rest - then look for the bolt. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job I second that recommendation. I've tried cleaning it myself, it quickly turned into a really messy nasty job. If you want it clean, pay a professional. Marshall always used to say that cleaning them would make NO difference in performance. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Take the intake to your local engine machine shop and let them clean it. It seems that every drop of splatter will stain forever, its nasty stuff. BTDT Thanks Harry *Now for my next question:* Has anyone found a good way to clean the intake plenum? . Thx! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration
IF you apply the brakes firmly and stop the car, yes this is likely true. If you ride the brakes a while to control the speed but do not stop the car they will overheat and fail. On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:19 -0800, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some automotive engineer, I think) on the radio saying that the least powerful brakes are going to easily overpower the most powerful engine.This suggests that applying your brakes firmly in an unexpected acceleration situation would prevent a catastrophe. I'm thinking, on the one hand, of the California Highway Patrolman whose car reached high speed before crashing and burning. Surely he would have applied his brakes fervently. And witnesses claimed they saw smoke at his wheels indicating he had burned out his brakes. On the other hand, if we're talking about my 82 240D, a case of sudden unexpected acceleration would merely have relieved me of the annoyance of having to keep my foot pressed down hard on the accelerator to keep the car at freeway speed. Whadda you guys think? Jerry 1982 240D 78 horsepower __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration
These electronic gizmos, coupled with the lack of a key switch is what killed Johnny Law and his family in the Lexus. Reports are that the brakes were fried and the disks were burned blue. I know an Ex Lotus race driver turned 126 owner who unplugs the ABS so he can have control of the brakes. Again, the application of technology to try to save dufesses who should let Darwin's theory play out. The stopping action of the brakes can be overridden by the traction control and/or ABS in my 99 E300. Stability control also needs to take control of the brakes away from the driver if needed. In a modern car, systems could interact in ways difficult to reproduce. -Dave Walton On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Brakes will easily stall the engine, or lock it to the torque convertor's stall speed. Try it, you'll do no harm. As a drag racer of years gone by, you could easily hold the power of a duel quad hemi with manual drum brakes. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:19:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some automotive engineer, I think) on the radio saying that the least powerful brakes are going to easily overpower the most powerful engine.This suggests that applying your brakes firmly in an unexpected acceleration situation would prevent a catastrophe. I'm thinking, on the one hand, of the California Highway Patrolman whose car reached high speed before crashing and burning. Surely he would have applied his brakes fervently. And witnesses claimed they saw smoke at his wheels indicating he had burned out his brakes. On the other hand, if we're talking about my 82 240D, a case of sudden unexpected acceleration would merely have relieved me of the annoyance of having to keep my foot pressed down hard on the accelerator to keep the car at freeway speed. Whadda you guys think? Jerry 1982 240D 78 horsepower __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class
I had a 1994 c280 (daughter's car) was ruined in hurricaine Ike. It did not have a rust issue but, in all fairness I got it from central Texas (not up north where they use a lot of salt on the roads). It was a really good car. The issue with them is the wiring harness. I understand they were made of some material that was not heat resistant and eventually fails and needs replacing. Cost is a factor. Has the wiring harness been replaced? value would increase/decrease depending on the answer. -Original Message- From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2010 2:55 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class When I hear C Classes of that vintage, I think rust. I know Mercedes were having their problems around that time, and I've noticed a number of S Classes of that same vintage, with a lot more rust than you'd expect. Ed 300E On 17 February 2010 15:40, Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net wrote: Donald, My local stealer here was using C class as loaners and I have driven several of them-not big enough for me and IMHO-no real Mercedes feel. Now the stealer Is using E class (210)-all beat up but still Mercedes feel. I personally wouldn’t want a C class of that era. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:14 PM To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class My indy has a 1995 C280. The transmission went out, he has replaced it. The car has 151,000 miles. It looks like its in really nice shape. Dark Blue inside and out. I would be interested, but I just feel cramped in it. Not enough shoulder room. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's Portland CL weirdness
All your Benz are belong to us. --R Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1604478596.html It's build like the tank! If this had an OM617 diesel I'd be all over it. What's with the wheels? G's have a unique offset, IIRC, so they are probably from a later one, right? I'd sell them and get plain steelies powder-coated black (might have to be custom-drilled for the bolt pattern, but I bet I'd still be ahead). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more reasons not to be in a Toada
A friend was on the Stono bridge last week and almost got hit in the side by a guy in the other lane texting and drifting. At one point he almost ran up on the sidewalk on the bridge. --R Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: The other day leaving work, I was behind a woman texting while driving, and she could not stay in her lane. At first I thought she was drunk, but after observing her from behind I figured out the problem and waited to pass once she put her phone down and was looking at the road again. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib snip Crash report is not final but there was no indication of intoxication. Speculation is that she was texting. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class
Drscruggs wrote: I had a 1994 c280 (daughter's car) was ruined in hurricaine Ike. It did not have a rust issue but, in all fairness I got it from central Texas (not up north where they use a lot of salt on the roads). It was a really good car. The issue with them is the wiring harness. I understand they were made of some material that was not heat resistant and eventually fails and needs replacing. Cost is a factor. Has the wiring harness been replaced? value would increase/decrease depending on the answer. I don't know. But, I think they had that problem figured by 98. I thought that problem was corrected by 96. But, I don't know specifically that it has been or been corrected. It doesn't look rusty, but I just walked around it. I can look it over really well and drive it, if someone is really interested in it. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I thought the rule of thumb was that NA's like clean intake. plumbing, while those with blowers do not care so much. That being said, the NA OM606 plumbing has some resonance tuning flaps which appreciate being clean -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 17, 2010, at 15:57, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: On Gump, which Marshall was quick to point out belongs to another set of rules, the cleaning of the intake did make her drive a bit better. I used brake cleaner while the intake was still on. I plan to remove and replace the current intake with one I have thoroughly cleaned when the head work is done clay On Feb 17, 2010, at 11:08 AM, LarryT wrote: You wrote cleaning them would make NO difference in performance. To preserve my sanity I'm going to think I've restored 15hp by cleaning this mess! Later - now, to rest - then look for the bolt. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job I second that recommendation. I've tried cleaning it myself, it quickly turned into a really messy nasty job. If you want it clean, pay a professional. Marshall always used to say that cleaning them would make NO difference in performance. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Take the intake to your local engine machine shop and let them clean it. It seems that every drop of splatter will stain forever, its nasty stuff. BTDT Thanks Harry *Now for my next question:* Has anyone found a good way to clean the intake plenum? . Thx! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone looking for a C-Class
Dwight wrote: My local stealer here was using C class as loaners and I have driven several of them-not big enough for me and IMHO-no real Mercedes feel. Now the stealer Is using E class (210)-all beat up but still Mercedes feel. I personally wouldn?t want a C class of that era. I don't know about not feeling like a Mercedes, but I agree that I don't want one - that's why I sent the info to the list. Some people really like these cars. I don't like the 190's, but some MB folks love them. My problem with the C Class is the width - or maybe more appropriately its my width. But, its not my gut, its my shoulders. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Licensing engineers, was Re: more reasons not to be in a Toada
There is a difference in being a PE (Professional Engineer) and an Engineer. A PE license isn't very useful in many forms of engineering, including what I do: computer engineering (you could say software engineer, too). My degree is in Electrical and Computer Engineering, so consider it what you'd like. Studying for a PE wouldn't even be recognized by my company. Now, if you're a civil engineer, mechanical, etc, this is different. A PE is required to sign off on design plans, etc. Unfortunately, its become common with some of my competitors to hire people with technical training or experience, give them an engineering title. I personally find this quite offensive, having a BS in engineering. But that's another topic all together. Jaime On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Back is the days before the occupation software engineer existed, my brother received a BS in mechanical engineering and a MS in industrial engineering. In those days, such degrees were adequate credentials for a working engineer. Perhaps today other qualifications work for someone to be an engineer, and so perhaps licensing is a credential that should be required. The whole business is kinda confusing. Interesting, what state? NC has required PE licensure since 1977 and I thought we were usually behind the median on such things. The license isn't that difficult to get: accredited BS or greater in engineering, some number of years progressive work experience, recommendations, pass two day-long knowledge tests, and agree to protect the health and well-being of the public above allegiance to employer. The carrot is that you know people who are licensed are at least minimally competent to pass the tests [but doesn't necessarily mean they are good at what you need them to do, or would make good employees]. The stick is that, if you build Tacoma Narrows, you probably are going to lose your license and never be able to work in engineering again, so you have personal incentive to think before you sign your name on that drawing. In NC there are exceptions to licensing if you are working strictly on in-company products, maintenance, under the direction of a PE (which can be interpreted pretty loosely :), etc., so it may be that it just didn't apply in his case. If you were looking for work with a company I don't think anyone would enforce that you couldn't use engineer, but advertising services to the public technically crosses the line set out in the statute. -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration
You forgot to mention the fun of BAS (brake assist servo). When certain parameters (vehicle speed, how fast and hard the brake pedal is depressed,etc), a vacuum dump valve is opened on the pedal side of the booster. The brake pedal will sink straight to the floor like a rock in a lake. On dry pavement, the car attempts to stand on it's nose... All while you enjoy the disconcerting feeling created when your cheeks (bum) attempt to take a bite out of your car seat in an attempt to stay in your seat. Try it sometime! (98 and newer w210's) -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 17, 2010, at 15:37, dave walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: The stopping action of the brakes can be overridden by the traction control and/or ABS in my 99 E300. Stability control also needs to take control of the brakes away from the driver if needed. In a modern car, systems could interact in ways difficult to reproduce. -Dave Walton On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Brakes will easily stall the engine, or lock it to the torque convertor's stall speed. Try it, you'll do no harm. As a drag racer of years gone by, you could easily hold the power of a duel quad hemi with manual drum brakes. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:19:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MBZ] Sudden acceleration So yesterday I heard what I believe was a public service announcement (by some automotive engineer, I think) on the radio saying that the least powerful brakes are going to easily overpower the most powerful engine.This suggests that applying your brakes firmly in an unexpected acceleration situation would prevent a catastrophe. I'm thinking, on the one hand, of the California Highway Patrolman whose car reached high speed before crashing and burning. Surely he would have applied his brakes fervently. And witnesses claimed they saw smoke at his wheels indicating he had burned out his brakes. On the other hand, if we're talking about my 82 240D, a case of sudden unexpected acceleration would merely have relieved me of the annoyance of having to keep my foot pressed down hard on the accelerator to keep the car at freeway speed. Whadda you guys think? Jerry 1982 240D 78 horsepower __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4875 (20100217) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4 wheel drive
Thomas Savage wrote: Apparently the small Toyota trucks are light enough to drive over landmines without detonating them, if you go fast enough. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War Curious. Folks I know that spent time years ago in the part of the world where Toyota trucks were common say the Toyotas were too heavy an would often get stuck where the LandRovers (series 3) would drive right through. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
