Re: [MBZ] OT Blue Angels
Wonko the Sane wrote: Not to throw a damp blanket over the hype, but the Blue Angels are doing nothing more than Flight School 101 maneuvers -- but in very expensive jets. Very good show, lots of wow factor, but not doing anything anyone with a jet license can't do. I tend to think that Blue Angels pilots are just guys who are picked by the old-boys network to maybe an an admiral someday. Sorry, folks, went to the same school as they did. Are you unaware of the difficulty of performing those maneuvers in close formation and in synchronization, or are you just trying to BS us? It's like NASCAR. Anybody can drive in a circle, but how many of us can do it for three hours at 180mph in a tight pack? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 ball joints.
What's the best way to test for the need of new Idle Arm Bushings? 91 300D with 178K - steering feels pretty tight - but those things go bad so slowly that's not always the best way to judge The rebuild kits from Rusty are pretty inexpensive at ~$34. Thx LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 ball joints. I tried the press and whacking the LCA but no luck. I already notice a great improvement from the rear subframe bushings. After that, it became evident the front end was part of the problem. I knew the ball joints needed changing, but last week I found the steering idler arm was sloppy. It is amazing how new bushings in the idler arm tighten up the feel of a car. This will be really nice after I finish and get an alignment done. Should drive like a race car then. Does anyone know the P/N for the dust covers that are supposed to go over the struts? I want to see if the stealer has any in the morning. This morning I figured out the SDL needs the steering idler bushing too! It looks like it needs ball joints too, so I guess I will tackle that in a week or two. I want to check the front subframe bushings in it also, because the rear ones were not bad. It does ride better with the new bushings. The 126 is probably the easiest bushings I have done, of 123, 124 and 126. It helps to have southern, (no salt) cars to work on. The 123 spent 12 or 15 years in the salt. You will be amazed at the difference when you get the alignment done -- it's like a whole new car. My new 300D was terribly noisy on the highway, sounded like a bad muffler. All new bits up front and a new steering box and I have a new car -- very quite (except all the noise from the rear suspension now), no drift, no pulling, no vibration. Worth every bit of the work to get there, including the steering box. Using a press to get the ball joint out works just fine IF you have the correct sleeve to press on the outer edge. A couple bangs on the end of the control arm once you get some pressure on it will start it moving, and then it's easy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/B-26
That's Meigs Field, not Meggs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Field Dan --- On Sat, 4/17/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] A/B-26 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:34 AM When I was a kid, I loved going to McCormick place (Chicago), because from there I could see Meggs Field on the lake. Meggs field was Beech 18 city. It was fun to watch them take off and land. They sure were a workhorse. When I lived in Houston occasionally I would hear that same kind of growl, and say Beech D-18 and look up around, and in a few seconds a Beech D-18 would appear overhead. Things like that sorta work their way into your brain at some reptilian level. --R On 4/16/2010 10:36 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: There I was having a stylishly late breakfast when I heard what sounded like round engines, getting closer. I hustled out onto the deck and to what did my wondering eyes should appear was an A-26, northbound at about 1500 ft. You can hear those two R-2800s a long way off. it's probably visiting the Museum of Flight this week. http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=91 RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement
Hi Gang - Have been following this thread as I'd like to restore my rear suspension one day. It doesn't seem bad - I don't notice any specific problems but with nearly 180K Mi on it, it's just a matter of time. Looking at Rustys site I found these parts: W0133-1614000Subframe Bushing Kit W0133-1629778Subframe Mounting Kit W0133-1624039 Subframe Mount The only things Rustys site is lacking IMHO is a Wish List and a number Req'd column. Can some one tell me how many of the above parts I will need. What else might I need (other than shocks)? I've never done much suspension work except to the front of the 78 240D but I have lots of tools and am patient - what Special Tools will I need? Thx! LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 8:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement I have found that you must put the torque link in before the thrust link (or if only replacing the torque link, remove the thrust link) because you need to rotate the wheel carrier a bit to get the bolt and sleeve in. I don't know when the new style links came out, but I suspect in 90 they were still the old style with a larger bolt. New link are 210 part numbers, and you need a bolt kit with sleeve to fit the new smaller bolt to the old style wheel carrier as the bolts are smaller diameter. Check the tie rods and tie rod eccentric bolt bushing (that's the only part that usually wears, but the tie rod end can go bad too) and replace these at the same time. Requires a full four wheel alignment if you do. I plan to replace the spring link bushings at the same time, rather pointless to replace all the links and have excessive noise and tire wear from the camber being loose even with new links. Might stick new spring pads in as well, after all, they are 20 years old with how many miles on them? Peter -Original Message- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 2, 2010 10:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement The bugaboo is the the outer joint for the lower control arm in the wheel carrier. It takes a special tool (press) of course.I took them off and took them to a good tire shop. they pressed out the old and in the new. I think the sequence you suggest is right. I see Rusty has the links on sale again this month. He always does that a couple weeks after I do the job. It is a very good price! This weekend looks good for finally replacing the worn, sloppy rear links in the '90 300D. Is there a perferred sequence for replacing them, or just follow the sequence in the manual (camber, torque, tie rod, thrust)? The instructions say press tensioning sleeve out of wheel carrier for each of the links - is a BFH the usual tool for this job? Is there a trick to pressing them back in? TIA -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 ball joints.
What's the best way to test for the need of new Idle Arm Bushings? Jack up right side under the control arm, and wobble the (free) wheel side-to-side while watching the idler arm. If it moves an abnormal amount, or has any clunking wobble to it, it's bad? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 ball joints.
The best way is to have the car on an old fashioned drive on hoist or over a pit, and have someone move the steering wheel right to left while you look from underneath. Now, for something practical... If you have a helper, you can drive the car (front) up on a stack of 2-4 2x6 or wider blocks, than have a helper move the steering wheel. If the idler arm bushings are loose, you will see movement of the idler arm without corresponding movement or the right tire. What I did was: with the front end jacked up, I moved the right tire left and right and it felt mushy, not loose like a bad tie rod end. So I looked under the car behind the wheel while i moved the tire left-right, and I could see the idler arm moving up and down, not side to side. Other symptoms are excessive wear on the outside of the tires and wandering, or following grooves in pavement. The same symptoms indicate worn ball joints too. So, it is not an exclusive test, just an indicator. All post /8 MBs tend to wear off the outer edged of the front tires because of the steering geometry. What's the best way to test for the need of new Idle Arm Bushings? 91 300D with 178K - steering feels pretty tight - but those things go bad so slowly that's not always the best way to judge The rebuild kits from Rusty are pretty inexpensive at ~$34. Thx LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 ball joints. I tried the press and whacking the LCA but no luck. I already notice a great improvement from the rear subframe bushings. After that, it became evident the front end was part of the problem. I knew the ball joints needed changing, but last week I found the steering idler arm was sloppy. It is amazing how new bushings in the idler arm tighten up the feel of a car. This will be really nice after I finish and get an alignment done. Should drive like a race car then. Does anyone know the P/N for the dust covers that are supposed to go over the struts? I want to see if the stealer has any in the morning. This morning I figured out the SDL needs the steering idler bushing too! It looks like it needs ball joints too, so I guess I will tackle that in a week or two. I want to check the front subframe bushings in it also, because the rear ones were not bad. It does ride better with the new bushings. The 126 is probably the easiest bushings I have done, of 123, 124 and 126. It helps to have southern, (no salt) cars to work on. The 123 spent 12 or 15 years in the salt. You will be amazed at the difference when you get the alignment done -- it's like a whole new car. My new 300D was terribly noisy on the highway, sounded like a bad muffler. All new bits up front and a new steering box and I have a new car -- very quite (except all the noise from the rear suspension now), no drift, no pulling, no vibration. Worth every bit of the work to get there, including the steering box. Using a press to get the ball joint out works just fine IF you have the correct sleeve to press on the outer edge. A couple bangs on the end of the control arm once you get some pressure on it will start it moving, and then it's easy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this a plague or what? Stupid sway bar mounts....
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:12:12 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: What is it with these things? Good question! Very annoying, they are a pain to change and I don't think I should have to replace them so often! I agree! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement
Order the whole rear link kit from Rusty, it always goes on sale right after I buy 124 links from him at regular price. (it is on sale now because I just re-did the 300D rear suspension) Also order the subframe mounts. Rusty knows what you need. Just call him. There are 2 front and 2 rear subframe bushings (for the rear subframe) on the 124. If you car is not too rusty, you probably don't need new bolts. If your car is rusty, you may want to order the new bolts or the kit with the bolts for the bushings. The official please don't sue me practice is to replace the bolts. I've been happy with the old bolts on my non-rusty car. If you reuse the bolts, you might want to have some loctite on hand. But I have never had a problem with bolts coming lose. For triumph and other shaker motorsickles you can't live without locktite. On my MBs and BMW motorsickles, I don't remember ever using locktite. The 124 suspension parts have self-locking nuts or blue loctite on them from the factory, but I think that is a don't sue me CYA. For the rear links, be sure what you order has the new bolts and bushings. The parts you will get are 210 parts and use smaller bolts, and some you will need bushings for to compensate for the smaller bolt. I did have the big bolt break once on a 126, so for a 123 or 126, ordering the new bolts is a good idea. Those are single bushings Hi Gang - Have been following this thread as I'd like to restore my rear suspension one day. It doesn't seem bad - I don't notice any specific problems but with nearly 180K Mi on it, it's just a matter of time. Looking at Rustys site I found these parts: W0133-1614000Subframe Bushing Kit W0133-1629778Subframe Mounting Kit W0133-1624039 Subframe Mount The only things Rustys site is lacking IMHO is a Wish List and a number Req'd column. Can some one tell me how many of the above parts I will need. What else might I need (other than shocks)? I've never done much suspension work except to the front of the 78 240D but I have lots of tools and am patient - what Special Tools will I need? Thx! LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 8:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement I have found that you must put the torque link in before the thrust link (or if only replacing the torque link, remove the thrust link) because you need to rotate the wheel carrier a bit to get the bolt and sleeve in. I don't know when the new style links came out, but I suspect in 90 they were still the old style with a larger bolt. New link are 210 part numbers, and you need a bolt kit with sleeve to fit the new smaller bolt to the old style wheel carrier as the bolts are smaller diameter. Check the tie rods and tie rod eccentric bolt bushing (that's the only part that usually wears, but the tie rod end can go bad too) and replace these at the same time. Requires a full four wheel alignment if you do. I plan to replace the spring link bushings at the same time, rather pointless to replace all the links and have excessive noise and tire wear from the camber being loose even with new links. Might stick new spring pads in as well, after all, they are 20 years old with how many miles on them? Peter -Original Message- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 2, 2010 10:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement The bugaboo is the the outer joint for the lower control arm in the wheel carrier. It takes a special tool (press) of course.I took them off and took them to a good tire shop. they pressed out the old and in the new. I think the sequence you suggest is right. I see Rusty has the links on sale again this month. He always does that a couple weeks after I do the job. It is a very good price! This weekend looks good for finally replacing the worn, sloppy rear links in the '90 300D. Is there a perferred sequence for replacing them, or just follow the sequence in the manual (camber, torque, tie rod, thrust)? The instructions say press tensioning sleeve out of wheel carrier for each of the links - is a BFH the usual tool for this job? Is there a trick to pressing them back in? TIA -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To
Re: [MBZ] *sigh*
Ahh but see the floor in the front isn't wet because every other year I renew the silicone and it holds the seal. In the rear the trunk floor isn't wet because its fiberglassed... The metal back there hasn't been wet in 7 years... If you saw the car you'd know anything I do is a losing battle. All I'm fighting is a delaying action to keep the car going another year or two (which I said 2 years ago when I got it) to get my maximum return out of a very cheap car. At this point we're probably talking $1800 I've put in it and I've driven it 25,000 or so miles... Its pretty hard to beat that. -Curt Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:55:53 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] *sigh* Message-ID: adcc4248-78f8-45da-aab5-e95fceab4...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed It will last a decade longer without the floor being wet and rusting away. peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Blue Angels
One of the places I worked at was in an industrial park on one side of a valley. Every summer the Blue Angels put on a show somewhere nearby and the week before we'd see them practicing and making runs up and down the valley. I was in tech support and I remember one time looking out the window and seeing a plane shoot by about level with our windows (we were up on the side of the valley and he was over the center) and I said something like Ho-ly ^%#!) while on the phone with a customer... -Curt Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:58:25 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Blue Angels Message-ID: a0624081ec7eeb64e0...@[192.168.1.112] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed We were walking on the beach at Kailua one day, and all the sudden the Thunderbirds were flashing over us, from inland over the beach and then over water. They proceeded to practice the whole airshow, just for us. The airshow was the next day at Hickam. It is an awesome thing. (in the true sense of the word) Some of their passes were low and slow enough we could see them, and I am sure they saw my jaw laying on the sand and the drool running out of my mouth! They were really close to the Marine Corps Air Station, and I am sure that was not an oversight by the air force brass. A lot of our friends were USMC pilots and brass. But the show was spectacular! When they hit the afterburner, it is spectacular! This winter we have been watching some of the big cargo planes fly over, and sometimes they are really low. I am sure Rich had a great show! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Blue Angels
Thats what i am thinking. Rich Thomas wrote: Nice buzz kill there Lt. I guess this guy is just another FS 101 airplane driver http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/apr/16/view-from-above/ Methinks someone might be a tad bit jealous? --R -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Blue Angels
WOW, and to think, I always thought those guys had to be good, never thought about its who you know. WOW. Harry Wonko the Sane wrote: Not to throw a damp blanket over the hype, but the Blue Angels are doing nothing more than Flight School 101 maneuvers -- but in very expensive jets. Very good show, lots of wow factor, but not doing anything anyone with a jet license can't do. I tend to think that Blue Angels pilots are just guys who are picked by the old-boys network to maybe an an admiral someday. Sorry, folks, went to the same school as they did. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 ball joints.
Easy peasy -- if you can move the idler arm up and down AT ALL it's shot. The other diagnostic is suspension noise in the right front footwell, sounds like a bad ball joint or tie rod. Also, if you jack up the right front wheel and push/pull against the steering mechanism while someone puts their hand on the idler arm , you will feel any motion. I would recommend replacing them on spec if the car has more than 100,000 miles and it's not been done recently. Easy job with an impact wrench and a VAST improvement in steering and noise level if they are bad. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this a plague or what? Stupid sway bar mounts....
I looked at the top part of mine today -- I took it out because it makes so much noise. Fatigue failure (stress corrosion) right at the top of the upper sway bar bushing bolt hole. I think I'm going to have the new one magnifluxed before I put it on, and send it back if it's already cracked! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 123 parts (85 300d)
Does anyone have any interior wood up for sale, specifically, the piece that goes around the climate control pushbuttons? I need the wood, the aluminum backer, and whatever hardware is involved in attaching it to the pushbutton box and center console... Mine was mangled by a thief and badly glued into a single mass prior to my stewardship of this one Thanks much -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A/B-26
Dan wrote: That's Meigs Field, not Meggs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Field Not anymore. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ed's new ride, was 240D Transmission issue, now cleaningcrud from tanks
Mitch wrote: Diamond dust = Carbon Carbon = lubricant so Diamond dust = lubricant I'll take volcano plume behind door number 12, please. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Blue Angels
They are good. They are very good. My point was that much of what they do is taught in primary flight training in Pensacola (including aerobatics and close formation flying), and the satisfactory demonstration of these maneuvers is absolutely required to earn the wings of gold, even if you are going to be flying helicopters. (That is not meant to be a slam at the helo guys -- they have a whole different skill set that I'd not want to have to learn, such as hovering in white-out conditions during ugly winds.) Look, the Blue Angels are simply good fighter pilots who are selected to do a PR role for one tour. There are dozens upon dozens of Navy fighter pilots who are at that skill level at any given time. You don't earn your wings, and you certainly don't get to strap on a Navy fighter, unless you are a very, very good pilot. Some of them are assigned to the Blue Angels. Some others are sent on to Top Gun. Others are sent back to Pensacola as flight instructors. Interesting trivia point. One must achieve a grade of 65% in ground school to be sent on to actually fly. 65 and fly was our mantra. Upon graduation from primary, the top grades go jets, the next batch goes props, and those at the bottom of the class go rotary wing. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:07 AM, harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.netwrote: WOW, and to think, I always thought those guys had to be good, never thought about its who you know. WOW. Harry Wonko the Sane wrote: Not to throw a damp blanket over the hype, but the Blue Angels are doing nothing more than Flight School 101 maneuvers -- but in very expensive jets. Very good show, lots of wow factor, but not doing anything anyone with a jet license can't do. I tend to think that Blue Angels pilots are just guys who are picked by the old-boys network to maybe an an admiral someday. Sorry, folks, went to the same school as they did. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers. -- Oscar Wilde ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
