[MBZ] Lookie What I Found
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/rvs/2055002408.html Cool Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lookie What I Found
Do you have an appointment to see/buy it yet? On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/rvs/2055002408.html Cool Bob R-- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lookie What I Found
it just showed up a minute ago on CL. Looks a little redone from the pictures. I could see my self pulling into the HB with that rig... Seems a little steep pricewise, but not much to compare it against. Bob R On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:13 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have an appointment to see/buy it yet? On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/rvs/2055002408.html Cool Bob R-- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL poster of the day
Wow, a furrin car! That is really just so special.. --R On 11/11/10 7:03 PM, Tim C wrote: Okay, I'm a few days behind, but thought you all would appreciate: http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/2048808584.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL poster of the day
Those likely ridiculous custom wheels, too; that'll make it REALLY special. What is it that makes so many people go crazy as hell over such a basic and simple mechanical device - a wheel is a wheel is a wheel.; Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL poster of the day Wow, a furrin car! That is really just so special.. --R On 11/11/10 7:03 PM, Tim C wrote: Okay, I'm a few days behind, but thought you all would appreciate: http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/2048808584.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL poster of the day
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Wow, a furrin car! That is really just so special.. --R On 11/11/10 7:03 PM, Tim C wrote: http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/2048808584.html The annoying thing is that if it is a '72, it really IS special, and I'd like to know more about it. Don't '72 R107s have Euro bumpers and the high-po no-emissions engine like '71s? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL poster of the day
Still, you gotta admit that is pretty cool. the wheels are just for show, kinda outrageous like the car. --R On 11/11/10 9:18 PM, WILTON wrote: Those likely ridiculous custom wheels, too; that'll make it REALLY special. What is it that makes so many people go crazy as hell over such a basic and simple mechanical device - a wheel is a wheel is a wheel.; Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL poster of the day Wow, a furrin car! That is really just so special.. --R On 11/11/10 7:03 PM, Tim C wrote: Okay, I'm a few days behind, but thought you all would appreciate: http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/2048808584.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL poster of the day
Yes, they do. There is one sitting at the end of the street where our lab is, I refuse to look at it for fear it will be cheap enough to buy and I DO NOT need any more expensive projects! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL poster of the day
I said, likely ridiculous, 'cause I haven't seen a photo, yet - 'can't get one to come up; it seems that too often when sellers are so proud of their special wheels, though, they are ridiculously big, flashy, not appropriate for the car, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL poster of the day Still, you gotta admit that is pretty cool. the wheels are just for show, kinda outrageous like the car. --R On 11/11/10 9:18 PM, WILTON wrote: Those likely ridiculous custom wheels, too; that'll make it REALLY special. What is it that makes so many people go crazy as hell over such a basic and simple mechanical device - a wheel is a wheel is a wheel. ; Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL poster of the day Wow, a furrin car! That is really just so special.. --R On 11/11/10 7:03 PM, Tim C wrote: Okay, I'm a few days behind, but thought you all would appreciate: http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/2048808584.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Young Walt needs this
Shove this in your D50: http://lansing.craigslist.org/pts/2034928104.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT capacitors on video card
Well a video board is not particularly inexpensive, makes me wonder why they skweez out a few cents on the manufacture. -R On 11/10/10 11:01 PM, Mountain Man wrote: --R wrote: I'm gonna try to order some and see if I can fix it just for the hell of it. Apparently this is a common problem, they used cheap chinee crap for components to save 42cents on the manufacture. Cool that you are gonna do the fix yerself. Amerikuns are idiots about price. Price is God, hence the ability to sell us cheep chinee junque at a price $0.42 less than some decent made stuff. We are dupes for marketing and sales. We really should be smarter, but that won't happen before the world ends. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:03:54 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I thought my 80 240D manny tranny shifted mighty fine. Wilton As does our '82 240D/3.0. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem
It is a myth that resetting the trip meter while in motion will damage anything. Regardless, the odometer has nothing to do with the cruise control. Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:06 -0600, David White kathma...@cableone.net wrote: A question, could a stripped trip odometer cause the cruise control to intermittently fail? Stripped as in pushing in the reset while moving and now the odometer doesn't work and the cruise control works, some times for 10 minutes then kicks out or 10 seconds and kicks out, hitting resume usually puts it back. My guess is the control module but I dunno. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:06:25 -0600 David White kathma...@cableone.net wrote: A question, could a stripped trip odometer cause the cruise control to intermittently fail? Stripped as in pushing in the reset while moving and now the odometer doesn't work and the cruise control works, some times for 10 minutes then kicks out or 10 seconds and kicks out, hitting resume usually puts it back. My guess is the control module but I dunno. On a W123, the cruise control pickup is on the input of the speedometer, directly driven by the speedometer cable. I don't know about the '89 300SE. Do you have a mechanical or an electronic speedometer? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D
Well, maybe if there is a Rusty-Q this fall or next spring, we can see your car there? Rusty, any hope for a Rusty-Q soon? (I hope I didn't already miss that...) -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Rolf Sent: Wed 11/10/2010 9:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D There are a couple of threads out there that cover this swap pretty well, I don't know that I can add much to it. Other than be prepared to have lots of energy and redo everything atleast 2x. :D AND USE LOCTITE ON EVERYTHING. As of now I have only driven it around the block a few times. Charleston is a hoof but might make for a nice spring break... -Rolf On 11/10/2010 7:53 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: No need to go that far, driver her over to Charleston so Rich and I can enjoy your handiwork, and time your trip to hit I-95 mid-morning on a weekday. There's more than a few long straight flat stretches... I sure hope you can share a full write-up - someday I'd love to do the same. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:37 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D Pretty much. And rebuild the rear end. And a new head heheheh. Can't wait to take it out to Road Atlanta and see what the top speed is... -Rolf On 11/09/2010 09:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Rolf, How did it go? Is this swap into a diesel engine car? Subject line says 87 300D. Now he just needs an intercooler, a variable turbo, and more fuel. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hey Rusty (and list) W123 240D Idle Control Cable
Idle Cable Stop end Piece For Idle Control Cable. Does Not Include Screw. OES GENUINE W0133-1633871http://www.buymbparts.biz/item.wws?clientid=buymbparts.bizSku=W0133-1633871mfr=OES%20GENUINEsup=AAAcookieID=32P0ERRZR32P0F2302 $31.94$15.97$15.97 Rusty and list, This part is listed on your website, the Idle Cable Stop. It's a bullet shaped item that requires a set screw. Is *this* the part that goes into the stop lever to allow the cable to control the idle on a W123 240D? I was positive what I was looking for was a rubber grommet of some kind. If this is what I need, do you also have the set screw available for order? And can anyone provide a diagram or picture of how this works? EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem
Sounds to me like you need to implement the Jim Cathey plan: Test to isolate component at fault (my bet is on the CC circuit board), and then fix or replace. I'll bet that if you re-solder all the circuit board connections, your troubles will be vanquished. http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mamerepairs.html -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of David White Sent: Thu 11/11/2010 2:06 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem A question, could a stripped trip odometer cause the cruise control to intermittently fail? Stripped as in pushing in the reset while moving and now the odometer doesn't work and the cruise control works, some times for 10 minutes then kicks out or 10 seconds and kicks out, hitting resume usually puts it back. My guess is the control module but I dunno. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixed my Cruise using Jim C's guide
David, Here's a link from Philip to the soldering iron and 'stuff' that I bought, works great! -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Fmiser Sent: Wed 3/24/2010 10:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fixed my Cruise using Jim C's guide Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Thanks for your write-up and advice. What is the best way to strip off the varnish? I didn't notice any corrosion, but will keep your wire brush tip in mind. I have an ancient home-made soldering iron, the tip is a little gross for this work, so I need to procure a better iron - can you recommend a model? The best non-expensive unit I know is from MCM Electronics part number 21-8125 http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/21-8125$6.19 They also carry my favorite solder. http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/21-2280 1 lb $20.99 While your at it, you can get a decent little stand with a tip-cleaning sponge. http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/21-8165 $5.09 One site I read cautioned that overheating components like the integrated circuits was a potential pitfall to a DIY approach. I did a lot of soldering in college, so I'm pretty confident I know how much heat is enough to get a good joint. Do you think any of the components on this board are especially sensitive to heat? No, they are pretty big, heavy components. Sure, they can still be cooked, but watch the solder flow and don't heat longer than necessary and you will probably be just fine. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: It is a myth that resetting the trip meter while in motion will damage anything. I beg to differ. It's a fine distinction but one that doesn't matter in practice. If your tripmeter gears are already loose, resetting it in motion will make the failure obvious by inducing particular symptoms---the Chinese-water-torture clicking the mechanism makes as it tries to turn forward every 1/nth of a tenth of a mile but can't. I'd call that damage! Have had it happen on two W124s now. The first one I sold (for other reasons!), and got an angry call from the buyer about an hour after he drove off in the car. Buyer: How do I stop this @#%*# clicking? Me: Did you just stop to fill up the car? Him: Yes. Me: And then you reset the tripmeter? Him: Of course. Me: While the car was moving? Him: Well, I was just pulling out of the gas station. Barely moving. Me: I told you not to do that. There weren't any more phone calls after I told him the trick to make it stop, so I guess he learned his lesson. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Hey Rusty (and list) W123 240D Idle Control Cable
This part is listed on your website, the Idle Cable Stop. It's a bullet shaped item that requires a set screw. Is *this* the part that goes into the stop lever to allow the cable to control the idle on a W123 240D? This is the part that clamps on the cable. It mates with a spring clip thingy that snaps into the throttle mechanism. I had a heck of a time getting this put back together on the Albatross. I eventually got the spring clip from a boneyard. Information was hard to come by. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cruise control 1989 300se problem
could a stripped trip odometer cause the cruise control to intermittently fail? No, not really. Spastic operation is almost always the solder joints failing in the amplifier. My wife's 560SL has just started acting up that way. One of our last ones to _not_ have this problem. I've also had one that didn't want to work, but that did work normally when it was working. That turned out to be a damaged stalk switch, its 'off' switch was overly sensitive. These faults in a 10:1 ratio or so. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Rusty (and list) W123 240D Idle Control Cable
That is for the idle adjustment cable, The bushing on the stop bracket is available only if you buy the entire bracket. The bracket is VIN sensitive, so I would need complete VIN to quote it. The screw for the bullet shaped piece is no longer available. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Hey Rusty (and list) W123 240D Idle Control Cable Idle Cable Stop end Piece For Idle Control Cable. Does Not Include Screw. OES GENUINE W0133-1633871http://www.buymbparts.biz/item.wws?clientid=buymbparts.bizSku=W0133-1633871mfr=OES%20GENUINEsup=AAAcookieID=32P0ERRZR32P0F2302 $31.94$15.97$15.97 Rusty and list, This part is listed on your website, the Idle Cable Stop. It's a bullet shaped item that requires a set screw. Is *this* the part that goes into the stop lever to allow the cable to control the idle on a W123 240D? I was positive what I was looking for was a rubber grommet of some kind. If this is what I need, do you also have the set screw available for order? And can anyone provide a diagram or picture of how this works? EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses
SWMBO's '96 Infiniti has manual transmission, hydraulic clutch. About 200k miles on the car, and I've replaced both the clutch slave cylinder and the clutch master cylinder once already. Slave was probably done about 4 or 5 years ago, and the master was done about 2 years ago. Now that the weather has gotten cool (40 degrees at night), the clutch is misbehaving. The pedal will go almost to the floor before engaging, and often will stick in the down position and stop engaging the clutch (so the engine and transmission are stuck in whichever gear you started in, usually either reverse or first gear). After the car warms up, behavior becomes normal. When it happened to me, I found that if I pumped the clutch pedal five or ten times but only using about 1/2 of the stroke (i.e. ending the down-stroke just before normal engagement point), then it would work normally once or twice, but then revert to 'no clutch', especially if I tried to hold the clutch pedal down for more than a second or two. I think that the master cylinder is probably bad (again), which is disappointing because it's probably only got about 20k miles on it and I bought it from a dealer, AND it is a real pain in the butt to RR. Slave cylinder is older, and the replacement is NOT and OE part from the dealer, but whatever I could find at FLAPS as the original failed with no warning. I'll check the MC to see if there's any sign of leakage using the taste test. Could this be caused by using DOT 4 fluid, when the owner's manual says to use DOT 3? I guess flushing/bleeding the system with the proper fluid might be a good first step. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Rusty (and list) W123 240D Idle Control Cable
The screw is available, new part number, $1.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Rusty (and list) W123 240D Idle Control Cable That is for the idle adjustment cable, The bushing on the stop bracket is available only if you buy the entire bracket. The bracket is VIN sensitive, so I would need complete VIN to quote it. The screw for the bullet shaped piece is no longer available. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Hey Rusty (and list) W123 240D Idle Control Cable Idle Cable Stop end Piece For Idle Control Cable. Does Not Include Screw. OES GENUINE W0133-1633871http://www.buymbparts.biz/item.wws?clientid=buymbparts.bizSku=W0133-1633871mfr=OES%20GENUINEsup=AAAcookieID=32P0ERRZR32P0F2302 $31.94$15.97$15.97 Rusty and list, This part is listed on your website, the Idle Cable Stop. It's a bullet shaped item that requires a set screw. Is *this* the part that goes into the stop lever to allow the cable to control the idle on a W123 240D? I was positive what I was looking for was a rubber grommet of some kind. If this is what I need, do you also have the set screw available for order? And can anyone provide a diagram or picture of how this works? EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses
I think that the master cylinder is probably bad (again), So do I. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: I'll check the MC to see if there's any sign of leakage using the taste test. Yuk! How about the feel test? Not many things are as slimy as brake fluid. I have visions of you upside-down with your head under the dash trying to lick the clutch pedal. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses
Sounds like a leaky master to me. A leaky slave often works ok. DOT 4 in a DOT 3 system will have ONLY beneficial effects. IF the master proves to be bad, I's swith the system to DOT5 Silicone brake fluid. Highest BP and less hygroscopic. SWMBO's '96 Infiniti has manual transmission, hydraulic clutch. About 200k miles on the car, and I've replaced both the clutch slave cylinder and the clutch master cylinder once already. Slave was probably done about 4 or 5 years ago, and the master was done about 2 years ago. Now that the weather has gotten cool (40 degrees at night), the clutch is misbehaving. The pedal will go almost to the floor before engaging, and often will stick in the down position and stop engaging the clutch (so the engine and transmission are stuck in whichever gear you started in, usually either reverse or first gear). After the car warms up, behavior becomes normal. When it happened to me, I found that if I pumped the clutch pedal five or ten times but only using about 1/2 of the stroke (i.e. ending the down-stroke just before normal engagement point), then it would work normally once or twice, but then revert to 'no clutch', especially if I tried to hold the clutch pedal down for more than a second or two. I think that the master cylinder is probably bad (again), which is disappointing because it's probably only got about 20k miles on it and I bought it from a dealer, AND it is a real pain in the butt to RR. Slave cylinder is older, and the replacement is NOT and OE part from the dealer, but whatever I could find at FLAPS as the original failed with no warning. I'll check the MC to see if there's any sign of leakage using the taste test. Could this be caused by using DOT 4 fluid, when the owner's manual says to use DOT 3? I guess flushing/bleeding the system with the proper fluid might be a good first step. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses
LOL! Actually I just touch whatever looks wet, and then touch that finger to my tongue; the taste of brake fluid is unmistakable - very bitter. -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Thu 11/11/2010 11:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: I'll check the MC to see if there's any sign of leakage using the taste test. Yuk! How about the feel test? Not many things are as slimy as brake fluid. I have visions of you upside-down with your head under the dash trying to lick the clutch pedal. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses
Thanks Jim. If no sign of leakage, I'm probably going to try a flush/bleed to make sure that wrong fluid is not the problem. Last trip to pick-n-pull I scored a clutch MC reservoir cap for $2, which I plan to use with my pressurized brake bleeder to REALLY bleed the clutch circuit well. I'll need to drill a hole in the center of the cap to attach the pressure line. This car has a clutch line routing that seems designed to trap air, very difficult to bleed out all the air which is absolutely required for nice clutch action in this car. -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Jim Cathey Sent: Thu 11/11/2010 11:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses I think that the master cylinder is probably bad (again), So do I. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses
I think that DOT 4 is backward compatible to DOT 3, but isn't DOT 5 a completely different animal, and not backward compatible? -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Dieselhead Sent: Thu 11/11/2010 10:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses Sounds like a leaky master to me. A leaky slave often works ok. DOT 4 in a DOT 3 system will have ONLY beneficial effects. IF the master proves to be bad, I's swith the system to DOT5 Silicone brake fluid. Highest BP and less hygroscopic. SWMBO's '96 Infiniti has manual transmission, hydraulic clutch. About 200k miles on the car, and I've replaced both the clutch slave cylinder and the clutch master cylinder once already. Slave was probably done about 4 or 5 years ago, and the master was done about 2 years ago. Now that the weather has gotten cool (40 degrees at night), the clutch is misbehaving. The pedal will go almost to the floor before engaging, and often will stick in the down position and stop engaging the clutch (so the engine and transmission are stuck in whichever gear you started in, usually either reverse or first gear). After the car warms up, behavior becomes normal. When it happened to me, I found that if I pumped the clutch pedal five or ten times but only using about 1/2 of the stroke (i.e. ending the down-stroke just before normal engagement point), then it would work normally once or twice, but then revert to 'no clutch', especially if I tried to hold the clutch pedal down for more than a second or two. I think that the master cylinder is probably bad (again), which is disappointing because it's probably only got about 20k miles on it and I bought it from a dealer, AND it is a real pain in the butt to RR. Slave cylinder is older, and the replacement is NOT and OE part from the dealer, but whatever I could find at FLAPS as the original failed with no warning. I'll check the MC to see if there's any sign of leakage using the taste test. Could this be caused by using DOT 4 fluid, when the owner's manual says to use DOT 3? I guess flushing/bleeding the system with the proper fluid might be a good first step. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses
Also, I'm thinking that the MC and slave seals are expecting a certain type of fluid which has a specified viscosity, and I'm not sure that a lack of hygroscopic characteristics is a good thing (water will settle out to the lowest point and corrode the internals, no?) Isn't DOT 5 meant for racing applications, where the fluid is expected to be changed frequently and so any water present will be flushed out before it has a chance to cause corrosion problems? Nevertheless, thanks for your thoughts on the faulty component. -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Dieselhead Sent: Thu 11/11/2010 10:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses Sounds like a leaky master to me. A leaky slave often works ok. DOT 4 in a DOT 3 system will have ONLY beneficial effects. IF the master proves to be bad, I's swith the system to DOT5 Silicone brake fluid. Highest BP and less hygroscopic. SWMBO's '96 Infiniti has manual transmission, hydraulic clutch. About 200k miles on the car, and I've replaced both the clutch slave cylinder and the clutch master cylinder once already. Slave was probably done about 4 or 5 years ago, and the master was done about 2 years ago. Now that the weather has gotten cool (40 degrees at night), the clutch is misbehaving. The pedal will go almost to the floor before engaging, and often will stick in the down position and stop engaging the clutch (so the engine and transmission are stuck in whichever gear you started in, usually either reverse or first gear). After the car warms up, behavior becomes normal. When it happened to me, I found that if I pumped the clutch pedal five or ten times but only using about 1/2 of the stroke (i.e. ending the down-stroke just before normal engagement point), then it would work normally once or twice, but then revert to 'no clutch', especially if I tried to hold the clutch pedal down for more than a second or two. I think that the master cylinder is probably bad (again), which is disappointing because it's probably only got about 20k miles on it and I bought it from a dealer, AND it is a real pain in the butt to RR. Slave cylinder is older, and the replacement is NOT and OE part from the dealer, but whatever I could find at FLAPS as the original failed with no warning. I'll check the MC to see if there's any sign of leakage using the taste test. Could this be caused by using DOT 4 fluid, when the owner's manual says to use DOT 3? I guess flushing/bleeding the system with the proper fluid might be a good first step. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses
Correct, but... A system that had DOT3/4 in it seals the rubber well enough that DOT5 works well. I believe normal brake parts for the past 10+ - years are DOT5 compatible. I have converted an SDL and my 240D with new master cyls with no problems. 240D has been maybe 10-12 years now. The only trick is to completely flush out all traces of the old fluid. I think that DOT 4 is backward compatible to DOT 3, but isn't DOT 5 a completely different animal, and not backward compatible? -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Dieselhead Sent: Thu 11/11/2010 10:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses Sounds like a leaky master to me. A leaky slave often works ok. DOT 4 in a DOT 3 system will have ONLY beneficial effects. IF the master proves to be bad, I's swith the system to DOT5 Silicone brake fluid. Highest BP and less hygroscopic. SWMBO's '96 Infiniti has manual transmission, hydraulic clutch. About 200k miles on the car, and I've replaced both the clutch slave cylinder and the clutch master cylinder once already. Slave was probably done about 4 or 5 years ago, and the master was done about 2 years ago. Now that the weather has gotten cool (40 degrees at night), the clutch is misbehaving. The pedal will go almost to the floor before engaging, and often will stick in the down position and stop engaging the clutch (so the engine and transmission are stuck in whichever gear you started in, usually either reverse or first gear). After the car warms up, behavior becomes normal. When it happened to me, I found that if I pumped the clutch pedal five or ten times but only using about 1/2 of the stroke (i.e. ending the down-stroke just before normal engagement point), then it would work normally once or twice, but then revert to 'no clutch', especially if I tried to hold the clutch pedal down for more than a second or two. I think that the master cylinder is probably bad (again), which is disappointing because it's probably only got about 20k miles on it and I bought it from a dealer, AND it is a real pain in the butt to RR. Slave cylinder is older, and the replacement is NOT and OE part from the dealer, but whatever I could find at FLAPS as the original failed with no warning. I'll check the MC to see if there's any sign of leakage using the taste test. Could this be caused by using DOT 4 fluid, when the owner's manual says to use DOT 3? I guess flushing/bleeding the system with the proper fluid might be a good first step. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D
My wife complained about the '83 240D shifting poorly. The problem turned out to be the shifter mechanism which had a plastic spacer that was very worn. I tried to buy a used mechanism or repair parts, both without success; so I redesigned the mechanism using two springs, a cross bar, and a (home made) brass spacer instead of a plastic spacer. The springs take up the wear, keeping the gear selectors in the correct positions. The car shifts smoothly now. Gerry Archer '83 240D and 300D - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com I've never been able to find a 123 or 124 manual trans when I had jingies to spend, but the older MBs with real transmissions shifted very nicely, and those are all getrags I can't imagine that the 123/124 shifts that badly. That's surprising, as the one in the '84 190D is very nice. Sounds more like an old VW or Porsche shifter! On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: The car magazines of the time weren't happy with the ergonomics of the stick-shift 300E either. IIRC the shifter was described as numb and rubbery The description I've heard of the shifter is broomstick in a bucket of rocks Allan OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses
You have it backwards. The DOT5 prevents rusting. Rust is what kills brake parts. DOT3 rusts the most and has the lowest BP. DOT 4 rusts less and has a medium BP. DOT 5 rusts the least and has the highest BP. Failure to completely flush the system reverts to the lower BP of the residues in the system. DOT3/4 will settle to the lower parts of the system, so it is good to bleed the system a week/month after you convert. DOT 5 is used on race cars because the higher boiling point relates to less fade. in ordinary applications, it is a higher margin of safety. At MBCA national events, as a Tech inspector, we could not tell if a car had DOT 3 in it at the inspection, but we soon knew had it once they hit the track. DOT3=brake fade. DOT4 or 5 = safe braking. I like the higher BP, but the real reason I use DOT5 is the lessened rust. I tend to keep cars a long time. I have had the 200D since 1972. I have had the 240D about 16 years. I put a master on the 240D once, and switched to DOT5 at the time. No more brake parts since (other than pads) Same with the SDL. 7 yrs and 150k+ mi in the SDL with no more brake components. Also, I'm thinking that the MC and slave seals are expecting a certain type of fluid which has a specified viscosity, and I'm not sure that a lack of hygroscopic characteristics is a good thing (water will settle out to the lowest point and corrode the internals, no?) Isn't DOT 5 meant for racing applications, where the fluid is expected to be changed frequently and so any water present will be flushed out before it has a chance to cause corrosion problems? Nevertheless, thanks for your thoughts on the faulty component. -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Dieselhead Sent: Thu 11/11/2010 10:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic clutch problem diagnoses Sounds like a leaky master to me. A leaky slave often works ok. DOT 4 in a DOT 3 system will have ONLY beneficial effects. IF the master proves to be bad, I's swith the system to DOT5 Silicone brake fluid. Highest BP and less hygroscopic. SWMBO's '96 Infiniti has manual transmission, hydraulic clutch. About 200k miles on the car, and I've replaced both the clutch slave cylinder and the clutch master cylinder once already. Slave was probably done about 4 or 5 years ago, and the master was done about 2 years ago. Now that the weather has gotten cool (40 degrees at night), the clutch is misbehaving. The pedal will go almost to the floor before engaging, and often will stick in the down position and stop engaging the clutch (so the engine and transmission are stuck in whichever gear you started in, usually either reverse or first gear). After the car warms up, behavior becomes normal. When it happened to me, I found that if I pumped the clutch pedal five or ten times but only using about 1/2 of the stroke (i.e. ending the down-stroke just before normal engagement point), then it would work normally once or twice, but then revert to 'no clutch', especially if I tried to hold the clutch pedal down for more than a second or two. I think that the master cylinder is probably bad (again), which is disappointing because it's probably only got about 20k miles on it and I bought it from a dealer, AND it is a real pain in the butt to RR. Slave cylinder is older, and the replacement is NOT and OE part from the dealer, but whatever I could find at FLAPS as the original failed with no warning. I'll check the MC to see if there's any sign of leakage using the taste test. Could this be caused by using DOT 4 fluid, when the owner's manual says to use DOT 3? I guess flushing/bleeding the system with the proper fluid might be a good first step. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D
Rusty has the plastic bushings. they generally last 15-20 years. My wife complained about the '83 240D shifting poorly. The problem turned out to be the shifter mechanism which had a plastic spacer that was very worn. I tried to buy a used mechanism or repair parts, both without success; so I redesigned the mechanism using two springs, a cross bar, and a (home made) brass spacer instead of a plastic spacer. The springs take up the wear, keeping the gear selectors in the correct positions. The car shifts smoothly now. Gerry Archer '83 240D and 300D - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com I've never been able to find a 123 or 124 manual trans when I had jingies to spend, but the older MBs with real transmissions shifted very nicely, and those are all getrags I can't imagine that the 123/124 shifts that badly. That's surprising, as the one in the '84 190D is very nice. Sounds more like an old VW or Porsche shifter! On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: The car magazines of the time weren't happy with the ergonomics of the stick-shift 300E either. IIRC the shifter was described as numb and rubbery The description I've heard of the shifter is broomstick in a bucket of rocks Allan OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D
Someone at Rustys told me they didn't. Anyway, 20 years isn't long enough for this list. 20 years from now I don't want to have to take it apart and put in a new bushing. GerryAge 81 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Rusty has the plastic bushings. they generally last 15-20 years. My wife complained about the '83 240D shifting poorly. The problem turned out to be the shifter mechanism which had a plastic spacer that was very worn. I tried to buy a used mechanism or repair parts, both without success; so I redesigned the mechanism using two springs, a cross bar, and a (home made) brass spacer instead of a plastic spacer. The springs take up the wear, keeping the gear selectors in the correct positions. The car shifts smoothly now. Gerry Archer '83 240D and 300D - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com I've never been able to find a 123 or 124 manual trans when I had jingies to spend, but the older MBs with real transmissions shifted very nicely, and those are all getrags I can't imagine that the 123/124 shifts that badly. That's surprising, as the one in the '84 190D is very nice. Sounds more like an old VW or Porsche shifter! On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: The car magazines of the time weren't happy with the ergonomics of the stick-shift 300E either. IIRC the shifter was described as numb and rubbery The description I've heard of the shifter is broomstick in a bucket of rocks Allan OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Rusty (and list) W123 240D Idle Control Cable
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:49:06 -0500 Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: The screw for the bullet shaped piece is no longer available. But, if you go to your local hardware store and look through their metric hardware bins, you probably can find something that will fit. That's what I did for Shirley's Bernina sewing machine when we lost the needle clamp screw (instead of paying $10 + shipping for a screw). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Rusty (and list) W123 240D Idle Control Cable
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:04:21 -0500 Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Idle Cable Stop end Piece For Idle Control Cable. Does Not Include Screw. OES GENUINE W0133-1633871http://www.buymbparts.biz/item.wws?clientid=buymbparts.bizSku=W0133-1633871mfr=OES%20GENUINEsup=AAAcookieID=32P0ERRZR32P0F2302 $31.94$15.97$15.97 Rusty and list, This part is listed on your website, the Idle Cable Stop. It's a bullet shaped item that requires a set screw. Is *this* the part that goes into the stop lever to allow the cable to control the idle on a W123 240D? I was positive what I was looking for was a rubber grommet of some kind. If this is what I need, do you also have the set screw available for order? And can anyone provide a diagram or picture of how this works? I can take a picture of our 240D/3.0's idle stop setup if you'd like. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] An SL for Wilton
Interesting. I could probably go with everything except the dork wheels. http://editorial.autos.msn.com/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=1167430icid=autos_1727GT1=22007#9 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT capacitors on video card
How old is the board? There were some huge recalls like 5 or so years ago for a bad run of caps that got used in mobos and vid cards. -Rolf On 11/10/2010 10:27 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: So my main computer was rebooting and giving me the BSOD (WinXP) and finally tonight I spent about 4 hours trying to sort it out. Turns out it was bad capacitors on the video card, worked fine in Safe Mode but when trying to boot into full windows I kept getting the BSOD with a video driver message. After more googling, some old post suggested the caps on the board might be blown, shonuff 4 of the 8 caps on the board are blown and puffed up. I'm gonna try to order some and see if I can fix it just for the hell of it. Apparently this is a common problem, they used cheap chinee crap for components to save 42cents on the manufacture. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D
I find that hard to believe, 99% sure I ordered mine from him last time. On a side note, my new setup is using teflon/pvc bushings or the like -Rolf On 11/11/2010 02:07 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Someone at Rustys told me they didn't. Anyway, 20 years isn't long enough for this list. 20 years from now I don't want to have to take it apart and put in a new bushing. GerryAge 81 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Rusty has the plastic bushings. they generally last 15-20 years. My wife complained about the '83 240D shifting poorly. The problem turned out to be the shifter mechanism which had a plastic spacer that was very worn. I tried to buy a used mechanism or repair parts, both without success; so I redesigned the mechanism using two springs, a cross bar, and a (home made) brass spacer instead of a plastic spacer. The springs take up the wear, keeping the gear selectors in the correct positions. The car shifts smoothly now. Gerry Archer '83 240D and 300D - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com I've never been able to find a 123 or 124 manual trans when I had jingies to spend, but the older MBs with real transmissions shifted very nicely, and those are all getrags I can't imagine that the 123/124 shifts that badly. That's surprising, as the one in the '84 190D is very nice. Sounds more like an old VW or Porsche shifter! On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: The car magazines of the time weren't happy with the ergonomics of the stick-shift 300E either. IIRC the shifter was described as numb and rubbery The description I've heard of the shifter is broomstick in a bucket of rocks Allan OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D
Yes, there is some wierd ness with the way the 5 speed shifts internally. Its hard to describe but it moves wierdly. I did a pretty good job of lining up all the shift arms in neutral but it could use more tweaking maybe. -Rolf On 11/10/2010 11:03 PM, WILTON wrote: I thought my 80 240D manny tranny shifted mighty fine. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D I've never been able to find a 123 or 124 manual trans when I had jingies to spend, but the older MBs with real transmissions shifted very nicely, and those are all getrags I can't imagine that the 123/124 shifts that badly. That's surprising, as the one in the '84 190D is very nice. Sounds more like an old VW or Porsche shifter! On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: The car magazines of the time weren't happy with the ergonomics of the stick-shift 300E either. IIRC the shifter was described as numb and rubbery The description I've heard of the shifter is broomstick in a bucket of rocks Allan OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An SL for Wilton
Yeah, not bad, 'cept the wheels. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: [MBZ] An SL for Wilton Interesting. I could probably go with everything except the dork wheels. http://editorial.autos.msn.com/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=1167430icid=autos_1727GT1=22007#9 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] An SL for Wilton
The ultimate sleeper? http://editorial.autos.msn.com/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=1167545#8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D
I've been buying from Rusty since this group was headquartered in Canada, and I can assure you that Rustys people make mistakes. It would be unbelievable if they didn't considering the number of items they deal with. Gerry -- I find that hard to believe, 99% sure I ordered mine from him last time. On a side note, my new setup is using teflon/pvc bushings or the like -Rolf On 11/11/2010 02:07 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Someone at Rustys told me they didn't. Anyway, 20 years isn't long enough for this list. 20 years from now I don't want to have to take it apart and put in a new bushing. GerryAge 81 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Rusty has the plastic bushings. they generally last 15-20 years. My wife complained about the '83 240D shifting poorly. The problem turned out to be the shifter mechanism which had a plastic spacer that was very worn. I tried to buy a used mechanism or repair parts, both without success; so I redesigned the mechanism using two springs, a cross bar, and a (home made) brass spacer instead of a plastic spacer. The springs take up the wear, keeping the gear selectors in the correct positions. The car shifts smoothly now. Gerry Archer '83 240D and 300D - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com I've never been able to find a 123 or 124 manual trans when I had jingies to spend, but the older MBs with real transmissions shifted very nicely, and those are all getrags I can't imagine that the 123/124 shifts that badly. That's surprising, as the one in the '84 190D is very nice. Sounds more like an old VW or Porsche shifter! On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: The car magazines of the time weren't happy with the ergonomics of the stick-shift 300E either. IIRC the shifter was described as numb and rubbery The description I've heard of the shifter is broomstick in a bucket of rocks Allan OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OK Don ML
Tell me about your ML. I was looking at a 01 ML320 with 107k miles. They were wanting 9.8k for it. Seems high to me but they were saying they had it priced at 11k and book was 12 or so. I just wondered how yours was. Does it have the NAV? Did you pay anywhere near that for yours or is this one too much? What kind of mileage are you getting? Is your 4x4? Are they all 4x4? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] wife kills the OK Don 300D
I brought the OK don 300D out of hibernation for the winter for the wife to drive. Dont drive it in the summer because no AC. She has been driving it about a week. Last night on the highway she calls and says it wont go into gear and she is on the side of the road. The way she was talking I thought maybe the linkage came loose. Well then she said she got it in gear and started off. It would be fine till she tried to get to highway speed. My guess is the tranny was slipping so I told her she needed to check the fluid and get some it in. AAA shows up in the mean time. They check it and no fluid showing on the stick. Crap. I have not seen any leaks, and to be honest I didnt even check it before she started driving it. I drove it a bit myself and it showed no signs of low fluid. She said it didnt do anything strange to her either. It would seem to me if a car was low enough not to show that you would be noticing things. Anyway, they fill it up and same thing. So Im thinking she burned up one of the gears, either that or the filter is plugged up. Im going to check it out soon and hopefully its not dead. I dont need ANOTHER project. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D
Should be an adjustment at the master cylinder side, but I don't know if it will make much difference in pedal height. Attached are the instructions for a 123, I have no idea if they apply to a 124 but perhaps they'll point you in the right direction. -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Rolf Sent: Wed 11/10/2010 11:56 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D Honestly, it was a bit disappointing. I am used to my gwagen clutch on the 123 now, big heavy lots of torque. I was also dickering around with the clutch pedal (sits really high seems that there is no adjustment, also engages really high, think I am going to shim out the slave cylinder to compensate) and the shifter REALLY takes some getting used to. Because the sweet spot was so high I was paying more attention to clutch slippage than anything else... To be fair my exhaust manifold has a leak the size of the grand canyon in it and I was driving in 25mph zones. Also the ALDA has not been touched yet and it def needs a smidgen of a turn. It was also 2am and the third day in a row I worked on the car. I was very tired. The car needs lots of other work as well. The rear end is all over the place. The good news is that when it was spooled and tached up it seemed that I had A LOT more power/torque than before. This weekend I am hoping to spend more time on it and get a better reading overall. -Rolf On 11/10/2010 10:47 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Rolfr...@winmutt.com wrote: As of now I have only driven it around the block a few times. Charleston is a hoof but might make for a nice spring break... Yeah, what I want to know is how it drives! Do the gear ratios seem appropriate to the power band? How's the turbo lag without the torque converter to allow the engine to rev up a bit ahead of the wheels? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Clutch-MC-1.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 143170 bytes Desc: Clutch-MC-1.pdf URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2010/12c5b9b7/attachment.pdf -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Clutch-MC-2.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 79322 bytes Desc: Clutch-MC-2.pdf URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2010/12c5b9b7/attachment-0001.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OK Don ML
They are all 4X4 - all the time. There is a switch for the crawling mode. No, mine doesn't have the nav - it's a large collection of CDs, so I wouldn't want to use it anyway. Mine ( a '01 ML320) was $6,000 - it had 176,000 miles when I bought it. I think the book price I saw was around $7,000, so I think they're asking too much for it. I got an average of 21.4 mpg over two trips to AR last month. As I posted earlier - the PO spent over $7,200 on repairs at Indies over the last three years - Radiator, water pump, power steering pump, alt., etc --- On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Tell me about your ML. I was looking at a 01 ML320 with 107k miles. They were wanting 9.8k for it. Seems high to me but they were saying they had it priced at 11k and book was 12 or so. I just wondered how yours was. Does it have the NAV? Did you pay anywhere near that for yours or is this one too much? What kind of mileage are you getting? Is your 4x4? Are they all 4x4? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OK Don ML
yea, I dont think I am going to mess with it, that is way too much. If I was going to spend that much I would rather have a 99 E300 TD On 11/11/2010 5:29 PM, OK Don wrote: They are all 4X4 - all the time. There is a switch for the crawling mode. No, mine doesn't have the nav - it's a large collection of CDs, so I wouldn't want to use it anyway. Mine ( a '01 ML320) was $6,000 - it had 176,000 miles when I bought it. I think the book price I saw was around $7,000, so I think they're asking too much for it. I got an average of 21.4 mpg over two trips to AR last month. As I posted earlier - the PO spent over $7,200 on repairs at Indies over the last three years - Radiator, water pump, power steering pump, alt., etc --- On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.netwrote: Tell me about your ML. I was looking at a 01 ML320 with 107k miles. They were wanting 9.8k for it. Seems high to me but they were saying they had it priced at 11k and book was 12 or so. I just wondered how yours was. Does it have the NAV? Did you pay anywhere near that for yours or is this one too much? What kind of mileage are you getting? Is your 4x4? Are they all 4x4? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1144 / Virus Database: 424/3240 - Release Date: 11/05/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wife kills the OK Don 300D
I wonder if one of the cooler lines ruptured? I don't remember what all we did to that car, other than the head --- On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I brought the OK don 300D out of hibernation for the winter for the wife to drive. Dont drive it in the summer because no AC. She has been driving it about a week. Last night on the highway she calls and says it wont go into gear and she is on the side of the road. The way she was talking I thought maybe the linkage came loose. Well then she said she got it in gear and started off. It would be fine till she tried to get to highway speed. My guess is the tranny was slipping so I told her she needed to check the fluid and get some it in. AAA shows up in the mean time. They check it and no fluid showing on the stick. Crap. I have not seen any leaks, and to be honest I didnt even check it before she started driving it. I drove it a bit myself and it showed no signs of low fluid. She said it didnt do anything strange to her either. It would seem to me if a car was low enough not to show that you would be noticing things. Anyway, they fill it up and same thing. So Im thinking she burned up one of the gears, either that or the filter is plugged up. Im going to check it out soon and hopefully its not dead. I dont need ANOTHER project. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OK Don ML
I was thinking that the ML's were the bargain Benz when I was looking. Your seller doesn't see it that way! I took the gamble to find out why it's a bargain, since TANSTAAFL. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: yea, I dont think I am going to mess with it, that is way too much. If I was going to spend that much I would rather have a 99 E300 TD -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wife kills the OK Don 300D
I didnt see anything obviously wrong but it was dark when it arrived home on the wrecker. If I do have to pull the tranny I am tempted to just swap out the entire engine/trans package instead of chasing down that missing #1 problem. On 11/11/2010 5:33 PM, OK Don wrote: I wonder if one of the cooler lines ruptured? I don't remember what all we did to that car, other than the head --- On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.netwrote: I brought the OK don 300D out of hibernation for the winter for the wife to drive. Dont drive it in the summer because no AC. She has been driving it about a week. Last night on the highway she calls and says it wont go into gear and she is on the side of the road. The way she was talking I thought maybe the linkage came loose. Well then she said she got it in gear and started off. It would be fine till she tried to get to highway speed. My guess is the tranny was slipping so I told her she needed to check the fluid and get some it in. AAA shows up in the mean time. They check it and no fluid showing on the stick. Crap. I have not seen any leaks, and to be honest I didnt even check it before she started driving it. I drove it a bit myself and it showed no signs of low fluid. She said it didnt do anything strange to her either. It would seem to me if a car was low enough not to show that you would be noticing things. Anyway, they fill it up and same thing. So Im thinking she burned up one of the gears, either that or the filter is plugged up. Im going to check it out soon and hopefully its not dead. I dont need ANOTHER project. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1144 / Virus Database: 424/3240 - Release Date: 11/05/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OK Don ML
Here's a '98 for $6,250 http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2036049500.html but this is the MB you really need -- http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2042517278.html On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: yea, I dont think I am going to mess with it, that is way too much. If I was going to spend that much I would rather have a 99 E300 TD -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wife kills the OK Don 300D
Yup - that's what I'd do, if I had that package on hand --- On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I didnt see anything obviously wrong but it was dark when it arrived home on the wrecker. If I do have to pull the tranny I am tempted to just swap out the entire engine/trans package instead of chasing down that missing #1 problem. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OK Don ML
It was traded in at a chevy dealer I have for one of my customers. KBB says 10600 but you cant go by book on these things too much. On 11/11/2010 5:35 PM, OK Don wrote: I was thinking that the ML's were the bargain Benz when I was looking. Your seller doesn't see it that way! I took the gamble to find out why it's a bargain, since TANSTAAFL. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.netwrote: yea, I dont think I am going to mess with it, that is way too much. If I was going to spend that much I would rather have a 99 E300 TD -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1144 / Virus Database: 424/3240 - Release Date: 11/05/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wife kills the OK Don 300D
Oh I do, its just a matter of pulling it. On 11/11/2010 5:39 PM, OK Don wrote: Yup - that's what I'd do, if I had that package on hand --- On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.netwrote: I didnt see anything obviously wrong but it was dark when it arrived home on the wrecker. If I do have to pull the tranny I am tempted to just swap out the entire engine/trans package instead of chasing down that missing #1 problem. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1144 / Virus Database: 424/3240 - Release Date: 11/05/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wife kills the OK Don 300D
OK Don wrote: I wonder if one of the cooler lines ruptured? I don't remember what all we did to that car, other than the head --- My ex-Morrison '92 2.5 rust perforated one underneath the left side of the radiator. Big line, like 10mm ID is my best guess. Leaked just enought to draw a thin red line in the driveway, but if I drove it around like that... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CL poster of the day
Okay, I'm a few days behind, but thought you all would appreciate: http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/2048808584.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D
Without even looking I can answer it, no! There is no eccentric bolt like the W123. It makes no sense, I am seriously considering adapting one. Even if I can change the sweet spot by spacing the slave out I still have a silly high pedal -Rolf On 11/11/2010 9:36 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Should be an adjustment at the master cylinder side, but I don't know if it will make much difference in pedal height. Attached are the instructions for a 123, I have no idea if they apply to a 124 but perhaps they'll point you in the right direction. -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Rolf Sent: Wed 11/10/2010 11:56 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D Honestly, it was a bit disappointing. I am used to my gwagen clutch on the 123 now, big heavy lots of torque. I was also dickering around with the clutch pedal (sits really high seems that there is no adjustment, also engages really high, think I am going to shim out the slave cylinder to compensate) and the shifter REALLY takes some getting used to. Because the sweet spot was so high I was paying more attention to clutch slippage than anything else... To be fair my exhaust manifold has a leak the size of the grand canyon in it and I was driving in 25mph zones. Also the ALDA has not been touched yet and it def needs a smidgen of a turn. It was also 2am and the third day in a row I worked on the car. I was very tired. The car needs lots of other work as well. The rear end is all over the place. The good news is that when it was spooled and tached up it seemed that I had A LOT more power/torque than before. This weekend I am hoping to spend more time on it and get a better reading overall. -Rolf On 11/10/2010 10:47 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Rolfr...@winmutt.com wrote: As of now I have only driven it around the block a few times. Charleston is a hoof but might make for a nice spring break... Yeah, what I want to know is how it drives! Do the gear ratios seem appropriate to the power band? How's the turbo lag without the torque converter to allow the engine to rev up a bit ahead of the wheels? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.comhttp://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.comhttp://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Clutch-MC-1.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 143170 bytes Desc: Clutch-MC-1.pdf URL:http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2010/12c5b9b7/attachment.pdf -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Clutch-MC-2.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 79322 bytes Desc: Clutch-MC-2.pdf URL:http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2010/12c5b9b7/attachment-0001.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wife kills the OK Don 300D
do you still have that car? On 11/11/2010 6:01 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: I wonder if one of the cooler lines ruptured? I don't remember what all we did to that car, other than the head --- My ex-Morrison '92 2.5 rust perforated one underneath the left side of the radiator. Big line, like 10mm ID is my best guess. Leaked just enought to draw a thin red line in the driveway, but if I drove it around like that... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1144 / Virus Database: 424/3240 - Release Date: 11/05/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D
If I sounded rude, I am sorry. I very much appreciate your input. I am just frustrated with the lack of any adjustment! -Rolf On 11/11/2010 7:31 PM, Rolf wrote: Without even looking I can answer it, no! There is no eccentric bolt like the W123. It makes no sense, I am seriously considering adapting one. Even if I can change the sweet spot by spacing the slave out I still have a silly high pedal -Rolf On 11/11/2010 9:36 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Should be an adjustment at the master cylinder side, but I don't know if it will make much difference in pedal height. Attached are the instructions for a 123, I have no idea if they apply to a 124 but perhaps they'll point you in the right direction. -Max From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com on behalf of Rolf Sent: Wed 11/10/2010 11:56 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Swapping a 5spd into my 87 300D Honestly, it was a bit disappointing. I am used to my gwagen clutch on the 123 now, big heavy lots of torque. I was also dickering around with the clutch pedal (sits really high seems that there is no adjustment, also engages really high, think I am going to shim out the slave cylinder to compensate) and the shifter REALLY takes some getting used to. Because the sweet spot was so high I was paying more attention to clutch slippage than anything else... To be fair my exhaust manifold has a leak the size of the grand canyon in it and I was driving in 25mph zones. Also the ALDA has not been touched yet and it def needs a smidgen of a turn. It was also 2am and the third day in a row I worked on the car. I was very tired. The car needs lots of other work as well. The rear end is all over the place. The good news is that when it was spooled and tached up it seemed that I had A LOT more power/torque than before. This weekend I am hoping to spend more time on it and get a better reading overall. -Rolf On 11/10/2010 10:47 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Rolfr...@winmutt.com wrote: As of now I have only driven it around the block a few times. Charleston is a hoof but might make for a nice spring break... Yeah, what I want to know is how it drives! Do the gear ratios seem appropriate to the power band? How's the turbo lag without the torque converter to allow the engine to rev up a bit ahead of the wheels? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.comhttp://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.comhttp://www.okiebenz.com/ For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Clutch-MC-1.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 143170 bytes Desc: Clutch-MC-1.pdf URL:http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2010/12c5b9b7/attachment.pdf -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Clutch-MC-2.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 79322 bytes Desc: Clutch-MC-2.pdf URL:http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2010/12c5b9b7/attachment-0001.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
