Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD

[Fmiser]

> andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Today I heard the onset of a very prominent whining noise in
> my 300TD that gets louder under  load.  

> The whining varies in pitch that
> roughly matches engine/car speed.

Which one.  If it matches the car speed, then it's after the
transmission or the transmission output.  If it matches the
engine speed, then it's before the transmission or the
transmission input.

In other words, does the pitch change if you downshift?

> We made it home OK but I am really spooked and unwilling to
> drive it again without a consensus diagnosis from the network
> of experts out there. SWMBO thinks it's the differential -
> does this jive with the symptoms?

If the pitch changes with _car_ speed - yes.  Differential is a
high probability.  In addition to the speed of the driveshaft,
the differential has gears with, say 20 or more teeth.  So if
these teeth strike noisily, the rate is much faster than the
driveshaft, so it becomes a (relatively) high pitched whine.

> Rear axle?

Axle shafts?  Not likely.  Because these are after the
differential, they turn 2-3 times slower than the driveshaft and
differential.  This means the sound is usually more of a growl,
or grind, or even a vibration - but usually not fast enough to
have a pitch high enough to call it a whine.

> Driveshaft?  U joint bearing??

Possible - but not very likely.  Not the sort of sound they
usually make when mis-behaving.

> Gear in the transmission (although the shifting is smooth with no
> flaring or slipping).

This is a possibility.  Flaring and slipping are problems with
the hydraulics and clutches (control) of the transmission.  A
whine would be from the gears.  The gears could explode while
shifting smoothly with no flare.  And because gears have lots of
teeth, the possibility for high-pitch whine is there.   But I
think it's less likely than the differential. 

> I should also add that all fluid levels are normal and the
> transmission fluid is red and clean, not burnt.

That again is a characteristic of the _control_ of the
transmission.  Metal shavings in the bottom of the pan  is would
be an indication that the gears might be in trouble.

Did you check the differential fluid?  Both level and condition?

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[Rick Knoble]

> Is there some sort of cable adaptor you can buy to hook an internal drive 
> externally to a USB port and maybe I can try it that way?


http://m.tigerdirect.com/m/http/www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=USB+drive+adapter

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Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD

[OK Don]

SWMBO is right.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> The rear end is worn out
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 13, 2011, at 11:37 PM, andrew strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
> > Today I heard the onset of a very prominent whining noise in my 300TD
> that
> > gets louder under  load.  Seems to come from the rear but not 100 percent
> > certain.  It gets VERY loud going  up hills, accompanied by an ominous
> > grinding sound under load while driving uphill.  The whining varies in
> pitch
> > that roughly matches engine/car speed.  We made it home OK but I am
> really
> > spooked and unwilling to drive it again without a consensus diagnosis
> from
> > the network of experts out there.  SWMBO thinks it's the differential -
> does
> > this jive with the symptoms?  Rear axle?  Driveshaft?  U joint bearing??
> > Gear in the transmission (although the shifting is smooth with no flaring
> > or slipping).  I should also add that all fluid levels are normal and the
> > transmission fluid is red and clean, not burnt.
> >
> > Andrew
> > 1983 and 1985 300TDs
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Re: [MBZ] OM617 crankshaft bolt

[OK Don]

Figure out what the moment arm is for your weight to generate between 200
and 240 lb. ft., position yourself at that point on a breaker bar, and lean
on it till your feet come off the ground.
Dad used tp torque the prop bolt on the radial engine by having me do a chin
up at three feet out on the bar (back when I was 150 lb.).

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:44:19 -0400 Allan Streib 
> wrote:
>
> > Book says to lube the crank bolt and torqe to 270 - 330 NM.  I had been
> > thinking of using blue loc-tite on that bolt since it came loose once
> > before, but guess not?
>
> Blue Loctite, I'm fairly sure, won't work with lubed surfaces. The lube
> allows increased longitudinal force on the bolt (greater clamping force)
> for the same amount of torque.
>
>
> > My torque wrench only goes to 200 NM.  Should I get one that will go
> > higher or just go to 200 and finish with a breaker bar and guess?
>
> That spec is 199 - 243 ft-lbf. Since you have had problems with it
> before, I would not take the chance and guess. Can you rent a larger
> torque wrench anywhere? Maybe borrow/rent one from a semi-truck repair
> shop?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[OK Don]

Yes - I bought one from NewEgg a couple of years ago.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> So it appears the shutting down problem was the XP hard drive itself.  If I
> have power plugged into it, vista drive starts up and shuts down the
> computer off.  Sometimes it will try to run a scan disk on the 2nd drive and
> it starts it but gets part way thru and shuts down.  If I leave power off
> the drive it runs fine, its running fine now. Never seen a drive shut off a
> computer like that.  I still have many files on it I would like to move over
> to the main hard drive.  Is there some sort of cable adaptor you can buy to
> hook an internal drive externally to a USB port and maybe I can try it that
> way?
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Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The rear end is worn out

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 11:37 PM, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

> Today I heard the onset of a very prominent whining noise in my 300TD that
> gets louder under  load.  Seems to come from the rear but not 100 percent
> certain.  It gets VERY loud going  up hills, accompanied by an ominous
> grinding sound under load while driving uphill.  The whining varies in pitch
> that roughly matches engine/car speed.  We made it home OK but I am really
> spooked and unwilling to drive it again without a consensus diagnosis from
> the network of experts out there.  SWMBO thinks it's the differential - does
> this jive with the symptoms?  Rear axle?  Driveshaft?  U joint bearing??
> Gear in the transmission (although the shifting is smooth with no flaring
> or slipping).  I should also add that all fluid levels are normal and the
> transmission fluid is red and clean, not burnt.
> 
> Andrew
> 1983 and 1985 300TDs
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[MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD

[andrew strasfogel]

Today I heard the onset of a very prominent whining noise in my 300TD that
gets louder under  load.  Seems to come from the rear but not 100 percent
certain.  It gets VERY loud going  up hills, accompanied by an ominous
grinding sound under load while driving uphill.  The whining varies in pitch
that roughly matches engine/car speed.  We made it home OK but I am really
spooked and unwilling to drive it again without a consensus diagnosis from
the network of experts out there.  SWMBO thinks it's the differential - does
this jive with the symptoms?  Rear axle?  Driveshaft?  U joint bearing??
 Gear in the transmission (although the shifting is smooth with no flaring
or slipping).  I should also add that all fluid levels are normal and the
transmission fluid is red and clean, not burnt.

Andrew
1983 and 1985 300TDs
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Re: [MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[redghost]

Hit fleabay and snag a cheap chinese case.  I hate wasting cash and  
have had great success with these things.  Pay maybe $5 and get it  
shipped in a week or so.  I have a dozen housing all sorts of old  
drives I keep my pr0n on.  Nothing like 40 gig of various hackintosh  
distros or linux.


clay

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On Aug 13, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

You need an external drive box, check Newegg, you can find them  
pretty cheap.  I have a bunch for IDE drives, just bought 2 for SATA  
drives and stuck a dying drive in there and it works find now.   
hmmm. the fan in the drive box probably has something to do with it,  
I think when the drive was in the computer case it was getting too  
hot and crashing.



--R

On 8/14/11 12:06 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
So it appears the shutting down problem was the XP hard drive  
itself.  If I have power plugged into it, vista drive starts up and  
shuts down the computer off.  Sometimes it will try to run a scan  
disk on the 2nd drive and it starts it but gets part way thru and  
shuts down.  If I leave power off the drive it runs fine, its  
running fine now. Never seen a drive shut off a computer like  
that.  I still have many files on it I would like to move over to  
the main hard drive.  Is there some sort of cable adaptor you can  
buy to hook an internal drive externally to a USB port and maybe I  
can try it that way?




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[MBZ] OT: Under-cabinet LED Lighting [was Re: OT: LED bulb tear-down]

[Craig]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:14:43 -0400 Walt Zarnoch 
wrote:

> If you want to "WOW!" people, do like we did and install under-cabinet
> LED lighting.
> 
> If you don't mind DIY, it's quite cheap to do and can look VERY
> profesional.

Being in the midst of a project to remodel our kitchen, that comment got
my attention.

What parts does one use?

Where does one get them?

Any difficulties putting them together?


Craig

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[MBZ] From the action

[Dieselhead]

The Christian Sci Monitor, normally a somewhat unbiased rag did an 
article about the food at the straw poll.  See 
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0813/Forget-about-votes-at-the-straw-poll.-Who-had-the-best-food


Bachman did a good job of providing appropriate fare.  Corndogs and 
Hot beef sundaes.  Pawlenty grilled hamburgers until they ran out. 
Hard to miss with hamburgers!  Running out seemed to be the order of 
the day, as the crowd was large, perhaps a record.  Santorum had 
hamburgers and more if my memory is correct, but the hit seemed to be 
peach jam.  The peach jam was later reported to be from Santorum's 
own peach tree.  Herman served Godfather's pizza.  Seems appropriate.


What the CS monitor left out completely, is the food served at the 
Ron Paul area.  Yes, while other candidates had a tent, and some 
didn't even have a tent, Ron Paul's campaign had a region with lots 
of tents, and all were filled with people.  When I first walked 
through, Paul was speaking, and they had a tent with a grill set  up, 
but nothing on it.  I overheard that they could not find hamburger 
buns.  It seemed to be sponsored by a veterans group on behalf of the 
Paul campaign.  The next tent had fritos they were handing out. the 
third tent had pop and water.  Then there was a stage tent, with lots 
of open air seats.  to the East of the stage tent was a large tent 
that seemed to be for people to eat the non-existent hot dogs.


I saw someone eating corn on the cob, and asked where they got it. 
They said the large ten south of the large sidewalk was all food from 
Ron Paul.  They also said the line was long but moved fast.  I went 
around the tent to try to find the end of the line, and it was long 
because Ron Paul had just finished speaking, so most Paulistas were 
already in line.  Trucks at the site said "Hilton Garden inn 
Catering."  I figured that was good news, because when the hotel 
opened, they lured Master Chef Ken Dunn away form his won business, 
to run the hotel restaurant.  The long line did move fast, and when I 
got to the head, they said there were 8 lines.  Aha!  An experienced 
caterer like Ken knows how to feed large groups fast.  The food 
consisted of potato salad, BBQ'd sweet corn, Baked beans, and veggie 
baked beans, and 3 pans of pulled pork BBQ with buns.  Everything was 
really good!  There was also a dessert table with brownies and 
cookies.


I thought the most outstanding food related event was the thousands 
fed quickly at the Ron Paul section with good local food, and the CS 
Monitor completely ignored the fantastic effort put forth by Chef Ken 
Dunn.  Of course the CS Monitor was not alone in ignoring the Ron 
Paul campaign.  Local and national TV news around the time the 
results of the straw poll were announced, showed clips of every 
campaign tent or display except the Ron Paul region.  One report did 
show the "Dollar slide" at the corner of the Ron Paul region, but the 
report had nothing to do with Ron Paul.


The national and local news on the TV networks dutifully announced 
that Michelle Bachmann won with 4800, and showed pictures of the 
Bachman bus and tent, and interviewed supporters.  Ten they said Paul 
was second with 4600, and that Pawlenty was third with ~1600, then 
showed the Pawlenty supporters, food lines, and interviewed 
supporters.  Ditto for Santorum, who placed fourth.  Cain was ignored 
the same as Paul.


To the East of the Ron Paul food tent, there were several more tents 
offering buttons, fans and other paraphernalia related to the 
campaign.


I should also mention that after I had some of Chef Ken Dunn's 
excellent food, I did see that the hotdogs  and buns were found, and 
there were several lines for them.


I walked back North to see if I could get a corndog from the Bachmann 
campaign.  I was astounded by how long the line was.  The Pawlenty 
and Santorum lines were really long too, but nowhere near as many 
people as in the Bachmann line.  Based on the food lines, I figured 
Bachmann would do well in the Straw poll, and in spite of the 
relatively short wait for food at the Ron Paul region, Again based on 
food lines, I figured both Paul and Bachmann would do well.  After I 
walked around and looked at displays and campaigns, I found the 
Bachmann line was probably 200 to 300 yards long, reaching from in 
front of Scheman, to the North steps of the Coliseum, and back around 
to the northwest again.


I did not go in and listen to the speeches, but from reports I heard, 
Congressman Steve King (not a candidate) had a great speech, and it 
was generally reported that Herman Cain delivered the best speech of 
the day.


My take on the whole thing:  Follow the old John Denver song:  "Throw 
out the tv..."  The reports are at best misleading, and at worst, 
downright fictitious.


And about running out:  Most camps ran out of t shirts.  Several ran 
out of food.  Bachmann had run out of tshirts by ~11 am.  Paul was 
running low b

Re: [MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[Dan Penoff]

We refer to those as "Hitler mustaches".

When you crack open HP notebooks and pull the fans, you often find a 
rectangular piece of fuzz about 1/2" by 1-1/2 inches.

Dan

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On Aug 13, 2011, at 11:00 PM, Fred Moir  wrote:

> Kaleb, et al.
> How dusty is the CPU fan/heatsink?
> How much fuzz is in the P/S Louvers?
> Sounds to me like a dying power supply.
> YMMV
> 
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> Diesel preferred
> 
> 
> On 8/13/2011 10:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> 
> I'm still not 100 % that's the problem because it did shut down once on boot 
> up with the drive unhooked.
> 
> Now with this vista when I start it up I can get on the internet. After a few 
> minutes it won't load a web page but still sends and receives email.
> What's the deal with that? I hate vista.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

You know not that much, I figured it would be bad but it wasnt

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Fred Moir  wrote:

> Kaleb, et al.
> How dusty is the CPU fan/heatsink?
> How much fuzz is in the P/S Louvers?
> Sounds to me like a dying power supply.
> YMMV
> 
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> Diesel preferred
> 
> 
> On 8/13/2011 10:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> 
> I'm still not 100 % that's the problem because it did shut down once on boot 
> up with the drive unhooked.
> 
> Now with this vista when I start it up I can get on the internet. After a few 
> minutes it won't load a web page but still sends and receives email.
> What's the deal with that? I hate vista.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Walt Zarnoch]

If you want to "WOW!" people, do like we did and install under-cabinet LED
lighting.

If you don't mind DIY, it's quite cheap to do and can look VERY profesional.

Walt
On Aug 13, 2011 12:53 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:48:32 -0400 Allan Streib 
> wrote:
>
>> A tear-down of Philips new dimmable 12.5W LED bulb. After my disastrous
>> experience with CFLs I can only hope these are better, since the choice
>> to use regular incandescents seem to have been legislated away.
>>
>>
http://www.edn.com/blog/PowerSource/40512-Remote_Phosphors_Philips_LED_bulb_Tear_down_Part_II.php
>
> Thank you for the link. We are in the process of remodeling our kitchen
> so I have been looking at information on LED lighting.
>
> Do you have any more information on the subject?
>
>
>> I'm stockpiling incandescents until the price drops however.
>
> And, unfortunately, the price of incandescents is probably going up as
> the quality goes down.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[Rich Thomas]

You need an external drive box, check Newegg, you can find them pretty 
cheap.  I have a bunch for IDE drives, just bought 2 for SATA drives and 
stuck a dying drive in there and it works find now.  hmmm. the fan in 
the drive box probably has something to do with it, I think when the 
drive was in the computer case it was getting too hot and crashing.



--R

On 8/14/11 12:06 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
So it appears the shutting down problem was the XP hard drive itself.  
If I have power plugged into it, vista drive starts up and shuts down 
the computer off.  Sometimes it will try to run a scan disk on the 2nd 
drive and it starts it but gets part way thru and shuts down.  If I 
leave power off the drive it runs fine, its running fine now. Never 
seen a drive shut off a computer like that.  I still have many files 
on it I would like to move over to the main hard drive.  Is there some 
sort of cable adaptor you can buy to hook an internal drive externally 
to a USB port and maybe I can try it that way?




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Re: [MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[Craig]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:41:54 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> I'm still not 100 % that's the problem because it did shut down once on
> boot up with the drive unhooked. Now with this vista when I start it up
> I can get on the inernet. After a few minutes it won't load a web page
> but still sends and receives email. What's the deal with that? I hate
> vista.

You are getting a true view of the only vista that software has available:
a big, rusty dumpster on a seedy alley of ramshackle, disintegrating,
graffiti-covered brick buildings. Chuck it in the dumpster and be done
with it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[Fred Moir]

Kaleb, et al.
How dusty is the CPU fan/heatsink?
How much fuzz is in the P/S Louvers?
Sounds to me like a dying power supply.
YMMV

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 8/13/2011 10:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I'm still not 100 % that's the problem because it did shut down once on boot up 
with the drive unhooked.

Now with this vista when I start it up I can get on the internet. After 
a few minutes it won't load a web page but still sends and receives email.

What's the deal with that? I hate vista.


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Re: [MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I'm still not 100 % that's the problem because it did shut down once on boot up 
with the drive unhooked. Now with this vista when I start it up I can get on 
the inernet. After a few minutes it won't load a web page but still sends and 
receives email. What's the deal with that? I hate vista.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

>> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> 
>> Is there some sort
>> of cable adaptor you can buy to hook an internal drive
>> externally to a USB port and maybe I can try it that way?
> 
> Yup.
> 
> I have - and use -  both SATA or PATA to USB adapters.
> They work fine.  I would try putting the troublesome drive in
> the freezer.  Even run it while it's still in there.  That might
> keep it working long enough to get the files off.
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Drive-Adapter-Converter-Optical-External/dp/B002OV1VJW
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812161002
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down now mini-splits

[LWB250]

We use the Mitsubishi split units at work for data frame/server room retrofits. 
 We'll add servers and/or a data frame to an interior room, usually a small 
closet or equipment room, and the heat load from the hardware will quickly 
overpower whatever airflow is available.  We can go far enough away with the 
condensor that location usually isn't an issue.

They work well and have been relatively trouble free.  Worst problem I've had 
to-date was with a balky thermostat that would not allow the unit to power back 
up after a power failure.  Of course, we get alarms from the servers within a 
few minutes as they begin to overheat.

Dan



From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down now mini-splits

There are a bunch of manufacturers, I think I am going with an LG unit, 36k BTU 
and 4 head units (2x 9k and 2x 12k).  Cost for that package will be about $4k 
(probably will be more by the time I get around to buying and installing it -- 
sh*t it has already gone up!!!).  
http://www.goductless.com/LG-Air-conditioner-Ductless-Mini-Split-Heat-Pumps-p/11436.htm

Fairly easy to put in, you need to run the refrigerant lines, a power line to 
the compressor, power/comm lines to each head unit from the compressor, and a 
drain for each head unit.  Then pull a vac on the head lines and open up the 
lines to each unit, charge is in the compressor.  These are popular in Europe 
and I am seeing lots more of them around.  Compact, quiet, and very efficient.  
I have seen lots of LG units now that I am tuned to look at them.

I have a project blog, I post pics and updates as I get things done.  
marshhouseaddition.blogspot,com

--R

On 8/13/11 4:48 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> Rich Thomas  writes:
> 
>> I am going to be putting in a mini-split heat pump in the new
>> addition, that thing could have a tap for a water heater easy enough.
> Please post updates.  I'm considering converting to like that if/when we
> need major central HVAC repair.  Seems like a good way to have zone
> heating/AC control in every room.
> 
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[LWB250]

In this part of the country, a heat pump water heater makes a lot of sense, 
since water heaters are typically installed in the garage, which, even in the 
coldest months, is well above 60F (or more.)  Right now, with ambient temps in 
the mid 90s, it's not unrealistic to expect temperatures in the garage to be 
even higher.  Park a couple of cars in there that were just driving around and 
close the door, and you're really cranking up the heat.

I would not expect one of these to generate enough cool air to cool the garage, 
but it certainly can't hurt in dropping the heat load somewhat.

My biggest concern is finding a place for the condensate to drain, as the water 
heater in the house we're currently working on buying is right in the middle of 
the back wall.  You couldn't get farther from the doors or side walls than 
where it currently sits.

I haven't had a chance to check, but it's possible there is an expansion joint 
in the concrete slab nearby. I can't imagine the volume of water from this 
thing to be significant enough to not be able to drain down a crack in the 
expansion joint (remember, everything around here is sand, so once it gets 
through the slab, it's on it's way.)

One of the really nice things about buying this water heater from Lowe's is 
that they routinely sell it for almost $300 off list ($1600-$300=$1300) and 
they offer a 12 year warranty for $80.

Between the reduced electrical consumption and the tax credits, I can't see 
this being a bad deal...

Dan



From: Max Dillon 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

Does it cool the interior of your house, or only pump heat from exterior into 
the water heater?

Max
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Max Dillon wrote:
> What is a heat pump water heater?

Reverse air conditioning, except instead of heating your house, it heats your 
water.

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Re: [MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[Fmiser]

> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Is there some sort
> of cable adaptor you can buy to hook an internal drive
> externally to a USB port and maybe I can try it that way?

Yup.

I have - and use -  both SATA or PATA to USB adapters.
They work fine.  I would try putting the troublesome drive in
the freezer.  Even run it while it's still in there.  That might
keep it working long enough to get the files off.

http://www.amazon.com/Drive-Adapter-Converter-Optical-External/dp/B002OV1VJW
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812161002

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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Dieselhead]

I always said that if you could efficiently manage the thermodynamics 
in a bakery, you could make a fortune.  Refrigerators and freezers 
for ingredients and display, air conditioning for 
danish/croissant/cake decorating rooms, heat and humidity for 
proofing, and more heat for baking.


Std. practice is to dump refr heat outside and burn fuel for heat.




It transfers the heat normally radiated from the condenser coil at your AC
system [the outside part of the unit, normally setting on the ground in a
split system] into the water heater via a "heating coil"  so your cold water
becomes the cooling agent instead of atomosphere.  Thus, you make warm water
instead of warmer air.

Same type of heat recovery can be used for ice maker, wine chiller, or any
other heat transfer type cooling scheme in common use today. All it takes is
$$.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon wrote:


 Does it cool the interior of your house, or only pump heat from exterior
 into the water heater?

 Max
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 Mitch Haley  wrote:

 Max Dillon wrote:
 > What is a heat pump water heater?

 Reverse air conditioning, except instead of heating your house, it heats
 your
 water.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 98 mercedes e300 turbo diesel - $1750 (millis)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Dang!!!  I was JUST there!!  I might have to go back for this one.

Fred Moir wrote:

Not mine, etc.

Fred Moir
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   98 mercedes e300 turbo diesel

Date: 2011-08-13, 2:02PM

Here is a very desirable and rare Mercedes Benz diesel.
Fully loaded with power everything.
Selling cheap because it needs some work.
It still runs and drives well.
The turbo diesel injection engine is excellent.
It starts first time with no noise or smoke.its very powerful.
Black leather seats and interior.
Power sunroof,windows, seats and locks.remote entry.
Bose stereo.alloy wheels.
1 elderly owner since new.
Automatic transmission.298 k miles.
It needs 2 rear window regulators.it needs transmission work.
The body is straight and dent free,but has some rust on the doors and 
rear wheel wells.

Sold as is for parts or fix.
Originally $42k,book is still $9k.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 mercedes SDL parts car - $600 (So. Otselic)

[Michael Canfield]

Not far from me.

Too bad I am broke.

Mike
On Aug 13, 2011 9:28 PM, "Fred Moir"  wrote:
> Sigh.
>
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
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> Date: 2011-08-12, 5:25PM
>
> 87 Mercedes SDL with excellent 6 cylinder Diesel, trans needs work, runs
> and drives good, but no overdrive, will sell any parts, or whole car for
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 98 mercedes e300 turbo diesel - $1750 (millis)

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Rear window regulators and the simple tranny work we've been discussing?
Would make a good $2000 car if it's that simple.

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[MBZ] Fwd: 1987 mercedes SDL parts car - $600 (So. Otselic)

[Fred Moir]

Sigh.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
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Re: [MBZ] OM617 crankshaft bolt

[Allan Streib]

I guess anti-sieze would be the thing to use when it says to "lubricate"
the bolt.

The 6 bolts that hold the pully and vibration damping disc in place had
anti-sieze on them, is that correct?  Again my gut would have been to
use loctite on those.

Allan

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> I may be a bit out of the norm, but i'd say your old bolt did not back
> out, but broke.  I would lube with neverseize and put the bolt in.  I
> have always cranked on them until  the engine just starts to turn,
> then repeat 3-4 times.  I have never had one back out.
>
>

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[MBZ] Fwd: 1995 300d mercedes(crashed) - $999 (boston)

[Fred Moir]

Nor this one neither.

Fred Moir
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Date: 2011-08-11, 9:17AM

The car is crashed in the left front. The nose is junk and the 
drivetrain is still good. I cracked the oil pan in the accident. I 
turned the car off as soon as i had the accident.The bags are gone and 
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[MBZ] Fwd: 98 mercedes e300 turbo diesel - $1750 (millis)

[Fred Moir]

Not mine, etc.

Fred Moir
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Date: 2011-08-13, 2:02PM

Here is a very desirable and rare Mercedes Benz diesel.
Fully loaded with power everything.
Selling cheap because it needs some work.
It still runs and drives well.
The turbo diesel injection engine is excellent.
It starts first time with no noise or smoke.its very powerful.
Black leather seats and interior.
Power sunroof,windows, seats and locks.remote entry.
Bose stereo.alloy wheels.
1 elderly owner since new.
Automatic transmission.298 k miles.
It needs 2 rear window regulators.it needs transmission work.
The body is straight and dent free,but has some rust on the doors and 
rear wheel wells.

Sold as is for parts or fix.
Originally $42k,book is still $9k.
508 801 9704.


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Re: [MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[Peter Frederick]

USB adapters and external drive boxes are cheap (don't get the really  
cheapo ones, I had one that lasted all of 5 minutes once).


That should keep it from being a boot device, but won't fix a virus  
or software scramble problem.


Or install it in a Mac.

Peter

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[MBZ] ot computer shuting down update

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

So it appears the shutting down problem was the XP hard drive itself.  
If I have power plugged into it, vista drive starts up and shuts down 
the computer off.  Sometimes it will try to run a scan disk on the 2nd 
drive and it starts it but gets part way thru and shuts down.  If I 
leave power off the drive it runs fine, its running fine now. Never seen 
a drive shut off a computer like that.  I still have many files on it I 
would like to move over to the main hard drive.  Is there some sort of 
cable adaptor you can buy to hook an internal drive externally to a USB 
port and maybe I can try it that way?


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Re: [MBZ] OM617 crankshaft bolt

[Dieselhead]

I may be a bit out of the norm, but i'd say your old bolt did not 
back out, but broke.  I would lube with neverseize and put the bolt 
in.  I have always cranked on them until  the engine just starts to 
turn, then repeat 3-4 times.  I have never had one back out.




Allan Streib  writes:


 Now, any tips on R/R of the front crank seal?  I have a new seal and
 spacer from Rusty.  Should it just pry out or do I need some kind of
 puller?


Well it does pry out easily enough.  I am glad Rusty sent a new spacer,
the one that was there was cracked in two places!

Progressing now in installing new spacer, seal, and the balancing disc.
I've heard it's a bit fiddly to get the disc on the crank with the pin
slots lined up just right.

Book says to lube the crank bolt and torqe to 270 - 330 NM.  I had been
thinking of using blue loc-tite on that bolt since it came loose once
before, but guess not?

My torque wrench only goes to 200 NM.  Should I get one that will go
higher or just go to 200 and finish with a breaker bar and guess?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Fmiser]

> Max Dillon wrote:

> What is a heat pump water heater?

A water heater that is about 200% efficient.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down now mini-splits

[Rich Thomas]

I think it is 75ft per head unit.  The limiting factor is probably the 
amount of charge in the system and various losses from pumping stuff 
further.


--R

On 8/13/11 6:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

What is the longest run possible between inside unit and outside? I suppose if 
you increase the copper line diameter you could go at least 75 feet.

Max


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Re: [MBZ] OM617 crankshaft bolt

[Allan Streib]

Craig  writes:

>> My torque wrench only goes to 200 NM.  Should I get one that will go
>> higher or just go to 200 and finish with a breaker bar and guess?
>
> That spec is 199 - 243 ft-lbf. Since you have had problems with it
> before, I would not take the chance and guess. Can you rent a larger
> torque wrench anywhere? Maybe borrow/rent one from a semi-truck repair
> shop?

Autozone will loan me one that goes up to 250.  Torque indications at
the limit of the wrench tend to have a larger margin of error, but that
I'd think with the range of the spec I should be safe.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[G Mann]

It transfers the heat normally radiated from the condenser coil at your AC
system [the outside part of the unit, normally setting on the ground in a
split system] into the water heater via a "heating coil"  so your cold water
becomes the cooling agent instead of atomosphere.  Thus, you make warm water
instead of warmer air.

Same type of heat recovery can be used for ice maker, wine chiller, or any
other heat transfer type cooling scheme in common use today. All it takes is
$$.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Does it cool the interior of your house, or only pump heat from exterior
> into the water heater?
>
> Max
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>
> Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
> Max Dillon wrote:
> > What is a heat pump water heater?
>
> Reverse air conditioning, except instead of heating your house, it heats
> your
> water.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Dan Penoff]

If google the product name and "review" you'll fond a number of sites where 
actual owners from all over the US give their opinions.

I doubt it would produce enough cold air to be effective, but down here 
anything to take the edge off temperature-wise would be nice.

Between the tax credit and spiffs from the local utility, I can get the cost 
pretty close to a high end conventional water heater.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> That would be very cool, I wonder how cold it would make my garage here in 
> the South Carolina summer...
> 
> Max
> -- 
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 
> Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> http://www.geappliances.com/heat-pump-hot-water-heater
> 
> It dumps cold air into the room. If I had this in a garage it would be quite 
> nice.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> 
>> What is a heat pump water heater?
>> 
>> Max
>> -- 
>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>> 
>> LWB250  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been doing a fair amount of research on these lamps for a couple of 
>> weeks in anticipation of relamping all the fixtures in the house we are 
>> hoping to close on in a month or two.
>> 
>> Many of the newer homes down here like ours use a boatload of recessed 
>> lighting, which is not only inefficient in some respects, but generates a 
>> significant heat load. Add this to the work the AC has to do to keep the 
>> house cool, and you're looking at some significant savings by going to LED.
>> 
>> I like what I see so far in the PAR30 style lamps, but damn, they are 
>> expensive! I am figuring about $40-$45 per lamp right now, even if I buy 
>> them in quantity.
>> 
>> Much like CFLs, I have a lot of concerns about longevity. I was always 
>> diligent about keeping receipts for my CFLs after I had a rash of failures.
>> 
>> The light given off by the PAR30 lamps (equivalent to 65W floodlamps) is a 
>> nice soft white, although you can find different lamps with various light 
>> temperatures. I don't care about the dimmable part, as these are mostly task 
>> lighting in a kitchen area, so they will be either on or off.
>> 
>> Both of the major home centers (Lowes & Home Despot) have these on display 
>> and for purchase, so you can go in and see them in action, which I would 
>> encourage you to do if you haven't already.
>> 
>> On a related note, has anyone here got or seen one of the heat pump water 
>> heaters? I'm looking at those, too. The GE model looks pretty promising, 
>> with the tax credits and lower energy costs. They are most efficient in 
>> warmer climates, so they're even better down here
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _
> 
>> 
>> From: Craig 
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down
>> 
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:48:32 -0400 Allan Streib 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> A tear-down of Philips new dimmable 12.5W LED bulb. After my disastrous
>>> experience with CFLs I can only hope these are better, since the choice
>>> to use regular incandescents seem to have been legislated away.
>>> 
>>> http://www.edn.com/blog/PowerSource/40512-Remote_Phosphors_Philips_LED_bulb_Tear_down_Part_II.php
>> 
>> Thank you for the link. We are in the process of remodeling our kitchen
>> so I have been looking at information on LED lighting.
>> 
>> Do you have any more information on the subject?
>> 
>> 
>>> I'm stockpiling incandescents until the price drops however.
>> 
>> And, unfortunately, the price of incandescents is probably going up as
>> the quality goes down.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OM617 crankshaft bolt

[Craig]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:44:19 -0400 Allan Streib 
wrote:

> Book says to lube the crank bolt and torqe to 270 - 330 NM.  I had been
> thinking of using blue loc-tite on that bolt since it came loose once
> before, but guess not?

Blue Loctite, I'm fairly sure, won't work with lubed surfaces. The lube
allows increased longitudinal force on the bolt (greater clamping force)
for the same amount of torque.


> My torque wrench only goes to 200 NM.  Should I get one that will go
> higher or just go to 200 and finish with a breaker bar and guess?

That spec is 199 - 243 ft-lbf. Since you have had problems with it
before, I would not take the chance and guess. Can you rent a larger
torque wrench anywhere? Maybe borrow/rent one from a semi-truck repair
shop?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Max Dillon]

That would be very cool, I wonder how cold it would make my garage here in the 
South Carolina summer...

Max
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Dan Penoff  wrote:

http://www.geappliances.com/heat-pump-hot-water-heater

It dumps cold air into the room. If I had this in a garage it would be quite 
nice.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> What is a heat pump water heater?
> 
> Max
> -- 
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 
> LWB250  wrote:
> 
> I have been doing a fair amount of research on these lamps for a couple of 
> weeks in anticipation of relamping all the fixtures in the house we are 
> hoping to close on in a month or two.
> 
> Many of the newer homes down here like ours use a boatload of recessed 
> lighting, which is not only inefficient in some respects, but generates a 
> significant heat load. Add this to the work the AC has to do to keep the 
> house cool, and you're looking at some significant savings by going to LED.
> 
> I like what I see so far in the PAR30 style lamps, but damn, they are 
> expensive! I am figuring about $40-$45 per lamp right now, even if I buy them 
> in quantity.
> 
> Much like CFLs, I have a lot of concerns about longevity. I was always 
> diligent about keeping receipts for my CFLs after I had a rash of failures.
> 
> The light given off by the PAR30 lamps (equivalent to 65W floodlamps) is a 
> nice soft white, although you can find different lamps with various light 
> temperatures. I don't care about the dimmable part, as these are mostly task 
> lighting in a kitchen area, so they will be either on or off.
> 
> Both of the major home centers (Lowes & Home Despot) have these on display 
> and for purchase, so you can go in and see them in action, which I would 
> encourage you to do if you haven't already.
> 
> On a related note, has anyone here got or seen one of the heat pump water 
> heaters? I'm looking at those, too. The GE model looks pretty promising, with 
> the tax credits and lower energy costs. They are most efficient in warmer 
> climates, so they're even better down here
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>_

> 
> From: Craig 
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down
> 
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:48:32 -0400 Allan Streib 
> wrote:
> 
>> A tear-down of Philips new dimmable 12.5W LED bulb. After my disastrous
>> experience with CFLs I can only hope these are better, since the choice
>> to use regular incandescents seem to have been legislated away.
>> 
>> http://www.edn.com/blog/PowerSource/40512-Remote_Phosphors_Philips_LED_bulb_Tear_down_Part_II.php
> 
> Thank you for the link. We are in the process of remodeling our kitchen
> so I have been looking at information on LED lighting.
> 
> Do you have any more information on the subject?
> 
> 
>> I'm stockpiling incandescents until the price drops however.
> 
> And, unfortunately, the price of incandescents is probably going up as
> the quality goes down.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down now mini-splits

[Max Dillon]

What is the longest run possible between inside unit and outside? I suppose if 
you increase the copper line diameter you could go at least 75 feet.

Max
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Rich Thomas  wrote:

There are a bunch of manufacturers, I think I am going with an LG unit, 
36k BTU and 4 head units (2x 9k and 2x 12k). Cost for that package will 
be about $4k (probably will be more by the time I get around to buying 
and installing it -- sh*t it has already gone up!!!). 
http://www.goductless.com/LG-Air-conditioner-Ductless-Mini-Split-Heat-Pumps-p/11436.htm

Fairly easy to put in, you need to run the refrigerant lines, a power 
line to the compressor, power/comm lines to each head unit from the 
compressor, and a drain for each head unit. Then pull a vac on the head 
lines and open up the lines to each unit, charge is in the compressor. 
These are popular in Europe and I am seeing lots more of them around. 
Compact, quiet, and very efficient. I have seen lots of LG units now 
that I am tuned to look at them.

I have a project blog, I post pics and updates as I get things done. 
marshhouseaddition.blogspot,com

--R

On 8/13/11 4:48 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> Rich Thomas writes:
>
>> I am going to be putting in a mini-split heat pump in the new
>> addition, that thing could have a tap for a water heater easy enough.
> Please post updates. I'm considering converting to like that if/when we
> need major central HVAC repair. Seems like a good way to have zone
> heating/AC control in every room.
>
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Dan Penoff]

http://www.geappliances.com/heat-pump-hot-water-heater

It dumps cold air into the room. If I had this in a garage it would be quite 
nice.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> What is a heat pump water heater?
> 
> Max
> -- 
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> 
> LWB250  wrote:
> 
> I have been doing a fair amount of research on these lamps for a couple of 
> weeks in anticipation of relamping all the fixtures in the house we are 
> hoping to close on in a month or two.
> 
> Many of the newer homes down here like ours use a boatload of recessed 
> lighting, which is not only inefficient in some respects, but generates a 
> significant heat load.  Add this to the work the AC has to do to keep the 
> house cool, and you're looking at some significant savings by going to LED.
> 
> I like what I see so far in the PAR30 style lamps, but damn, they are 
> expensive!  I am figuring about $40-$45 per lamp right now, even if I buy 
> them in quantity.
> 
> Much like CFLs, I have a lot of concerns about longevity.  I was always 
> diligent about keeping receipts for my CFLs after I had a rash of failures.
> 
> The light given off by the PAR30 lamps (equivalent to 65W floodlamps) is a 
> nice soft white, although you can find different lamps with various light 
> temperatures.  I don't care about the dimmable part, as these are mostly task 
> lighting in a kitchen area, so they will be either on or off.
> 
> Both of the major home centers (Lowes & Home Despot) have these on display 
> and for purchase, so you can go in and see them in action, which I would 
> encourage you to do if you haven't already.
> 
> On a related note, has anyone here got or seen one of the heat pump water 
> heaters?  I'm looking at those, too.  The GE model looks pretty promising, 
> with the tax credits and lower energy costs.  They are most efficient in 
> warmer climates, so they're even better down here
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> _
> 
> From: Craig 
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down
> 
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:48:32 -0400 Allan Streib 
> wrote:
> 
>> A tear-down of Philips new dimmable 12.5W LED bulb.  After my disastrous
>> experience with CFLs I can only hope these are better, since the choice
>> to use regular incandescents seem to have been legislated away.
>> 
>> http://www.edn.com/blog/PowerSource/40512-Remote_Phosphors_Philips_LED_bulb_Tear_down_Part_II.php
> 
> Thank you for the link. We are in the process of remodeling our kitchen
> so I have been looking at information on LED lighting.
> 
> Do you have any more information on the subject?
> 
> 
>> I'm stockpiling incandescents until the price drops however.
> 
> And, unfortunately, the price of incandescents is probably going up as
> the quality goes down.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Max Dillon]

That sounds like an efficient way to do it, wonder why it is not more common?

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WILTON  wrote:

'Can use heat from refrig/freezer to heat water, too.

Wilton

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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down


> Max Dillon wrote:
>> What is a heat pump water heater?
>
> Reverse air conditioning, except instead of heating your house, it heats 
> your water.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Max Dillon]

Does it cool the interior of your house, or only pump heat from exterior into 
the water heater?

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Mitch Haley  wrote:

Max Dillon wrote:
> What is a heat pump water heater?

Reverse air conditioning, except instead of heating your house, it heats your 
water.

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Re: [MBZ] OM617 crankshaft bolt

[Allan Streib]

Allan Streib  writes:

> Now, any tips on R/R of the front crank seal?  I have a new seal and
> spacer from Rusty.  Should it just pry out or do I need some kind of
> puller?

Well it does pry out easily enough.  I am glad Rusty sent a new spacer,
the one that was there was cracked in two places!

Progressing now in installing new spacer, seal, and the balancing disc.
I've heard it's a bit fiddly to get the disc on the crank with the pin
slots lined up just right.

Book says to lube the crank bolt and torqe to 270 - 330 NM.  I had been
thinking of using blue loc-tite on that bolt since it came loose once
before, but guess not?

My torque wrench only goes to 200 NM.  Should I get one that will go
higher or just go to 200 and finish with a breaker bar and guess?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down now mini-splits

[Rich Thomas]

There are a bunch of manufacturers, I think I am going with an LG unit, 
36k BTU and 4 head units (2x 9k and 2x 12k).  Cost for that package will 
be about $4k (probably will be more by the time I get around to buying 
and installing it -- sh*t it has already gone up!!!).  
http://www.goductless.com/LG-Air-conditioner-Ductless-Mini-Split-Heat-Pumps-p/11436.htm


Fairly easy to put in, you need to run the refrigerant lines, a power 
line to the compressor, power/comm lines to each head unit from the 
compressor, and a drain for each head unit.  Then pull a vac on the head 
lines and open up the lines to each unit, charge is in the compressor.  
These are popular in Europe and I am seeing lots more of them around.  
Compact, quiet, and very efficient.  I have seen lots of LG units now 
that I am tuned to look at them.


I have a project blog, I post pics and updates as I get things done.  
marshhouseaddition.blogspot,com


--R

On 8/13/11 4:48 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Rich Thomas  writes:


I am going to be putting in a mini-split heat pump in the new
addition, that thing could have a tap for a water heater easy enough.

Please post updates.  I'm considering converting to like that if/when we
need major central HVAC repair.  Seems like a good way to have zone
heating/AC control in every room.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] OM617 crankshaft bolt

[Allan Streib]

Well I got the stub of the crank bolt out today, finally.  I think my
left-hand drill bit had dulled to the point of ineffectiveness, so I
switched to a right-hand bit and the stub immediately turned in.  I
jammed a screwdriver into the drilled-out center of the stub and was
able to back it all the way out.  I then ran a tap into the crank bore
to clear/straighten the threads.  I tried the new bolt and it turned in
smoothly with no snags so I'm hoping I'm good to go there.

Now, any tips on R/R of the front crank seal?  I have a new seal and
spacer from Rusty.  Should it just pry out or do I need some kind of
puller?

Allan

Allan Streib  writes:

> Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Great bushing idea!
>>
>> If memory serves, the bore is 1/2 to 1" deeper than the bolt.  You
>> WILL know when you are through.  Are you using a left hand drill?
>
> Note: subject corrected... crankshaft bolt not cam.
>
> Yes, I am using a left hand bit.  I was hoping it would turn out the
> stub but so far has not.
>
> I also picked up a 18mm x 1.5 tap so I can chase the threads once I'm
> done.
>
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Allan Streib]

Rich Thomas  writes:

> I am going to be putting in a mini-split heat pump in the new
> addition, that thing could have a tap for a water heater easy enough.

Please post updates.  I'm considering converting to like that if/when we
need major central HVAC repair.  Seems like a good way to have zone
heating/AC control in every room.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W124 front seats for a change

[Allan Streib]

Alex Chamberlain  writes:

> Further, I have always taken any late-model car sold at auction to be
> ipso facto garbage.  If it weren't, it would have been traded in at a
> new-car dealer and put on their lot directly.

Not always, e.g. a dealer may already have a surplus of that model on
the used lot and not want to hold any more in inventory.  But in general
I think you are right.  I once asked a local used car dealer what they
actually did to their vehicles once they arrived from auction, i.e. did
they change fluids, do any kind of inspection, etc. and to my surprise
he was honest and said they don't do anything except wash them and put
them on the lot.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W124 front seats for a change

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Exactly there are brokers/wholesalers that buy cars at auction and sell to 
dealers, they find cars for dealers who do not have time to do their own buying

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> Understand that he was also at the auction to buy cars for commercial buyers,
>> and these are issues relevant to them as customers. They want iron they can
>> move, not something that will sit on the lot for months.
> 
> So is that an actual occupation?  "Auto broker"?  Someone who goes to
> auctions, buys cars, resells them to dealers for their used lots, and
> takes a cut?   The only people I've ever met who called themselves
> "auto brokers" were just used-car salesmen putting on airs.  Same with
> "wholesaler."  One guy ran an operation selling auction finds out of a
> dank disused underground parking lot with a grubby office attached.
> "I don't have a fancy showroom, so I can sell you cars at wholesale
> prices!"  Yeah, right.  Tell me another one.
> 
> Further, I have always taken any late-model car sold at auction to be
> ipso facto garbage.  If it weren't, it would have been traded in at a
> new-car dealer and put on their lot directly.  I have looked at a lot
> of cars at high-end used-car dealers and almost every one has been a
> well-polished turd---i.e., mechanically or structurally subpar, but
> detailed within an inch of its life to give you the impression that
> the previous owners spared no expense taking care of it.
> 
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Tim C]

A lot of the geothermal heat pumps have water-heating built in or as an add-on.

On the topic of the subject, I have had very good success with
Philips-brand CFLs from Sam's Club, for both quality and longevity.  I
have not had good success with
store-brand/bottom-end/boxes-that-advertise-greenness CFLs.

Glad to hear LEDs are improving, I still have a soft spot for CREE.

Best,
-Tim

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:
> I have seen those advertised but it is unclear if the heat exchanger is
> located inside or outside the house.  If it is inside I suppose it would be
> good in the summer, but in the winter you are using your furnace (or
> whatever) to heat your water.
>
> I am going to be putting in a mini-split heat pump in the new addition, that
> thing could have a tap for a water heater easy enough.
>
> --R
>
> On 8/13/11 3:24 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>>
>> Max Dillon wrote:
>>>
>>> What is a heat pump water heater?
>>
>> Reverse air conditioning, except instead of heating your house, it heats
>> your water.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Rich Thomas]

I have seen those advertised but it is unclear if the heat exchanger is 
located inside or outside the house.  If it is inside I suppose it would 
be good in the summer, but in the winter you are using your furnace (or 
whatever) to heat your water.


I am going to be putting in a mini-split heat pump in the new addition, 
that thing could have a tap for a water heater easy enough.


--R

On 8/13/11 3:24 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Max Dillon wrote:

What is a heat pump water heater?


Reverse air conditioning, except instead of heating your house, it 
heats your water.


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Re: [MBZ] W124 front seats for a change

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> Understand that he was also at the auction to buy cars for commercial buyers,
> and these are issues relevant to them as customers. They want iron they can
> move, not something that will sit on the lot for months.

So is that an actual occupation?  "Auto broker"?  Someone who goes to
auctions, buys cars, resells them to dealers for their used lots, and
takes a cut?   The only people I've ever met who called themselves
"auto brokers" were just used-car salesmen putting on airs.  Same with
"wholesaler."  One guy ran an operation selling auction finds out of a
dank disused underground parking lot with a grubby office attached.
"I don't have a fancy showroom, so I can sell you cars at wholesale
prices!"  Yeah, right.  Tell me another one.

Further, I have always taken any late-model car sold at auction to be
ipso facto garbage.  If it weren't, it would have been traded in at a
new-car dealer and put on their lot directly.  I have looked at a lot
of cars at high-end used-car dealers and almost every one has been a
well-polished turd---i.e., mechanically or structurally subpar, but
detailed within an inch of its life to give you the impression that
the previous owners spared no expense taking care of it.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[WILTON]

'Can use heat from refrig/freezer to heat water, too.

Wilton

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Max Dillon wrote:

What is a heat pump water heater?


Reverse air conditioning, except instead of heating your house, it heats 
your water.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Mitch Haley]

Max Dillon wrote:

What is a heat pump water heater?


Reverse air conditioning, except instead of heating your house, it heats your 
water.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Allan Streib]

Max Dillon  writes:

> What is a heat pump water heater?

Not sure but I do remember that at the first place I worked (McDonalds)
they used the waste heat from the ice maker and drink chiller condensors
to make hot water.  That was back in the 1980s, so it must have been
more about the actual economics than the "green-ness" of the idea.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Max Dillon]

What is a heat pump water heater?

Max
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LWB250  wrote:

I have been doing a fair amount of research on these lamps for a couple of 
weeks in anticipation of relamping all the fixtures in the house we are hoping 
to close on in a month or two.

Many of the newer homes down here like ours use a boatload of recessed 
lighting, which is not only inefficient in some respects, but generates a 
significant heat load.  Add this to the work the AC has to do to keep the house 
cool, and you're looking at some significant savings by going to LED.

I like what I see so far in the PAR30 style lamps, but damn, they are 
expensive!  I am figuring about $40-$45 per lamp right now, even if I buy them 
in quantity.

Much like CFLs, I have a lot of concerns about longevity.  I was always 
diligent about keeping receipts for my CFLs after I had a rash of failures.

The light given off by the PAR30 lamps (equivalent to 65W floodlamps) is a nice 
soft white, although you can find different lamps with various light 
temperatures.  I don't care about the dimmable part, as these are mostly task 
lighting in a kitchen area, so they will be either on or off.

Both of the major home centers (Lowes & Home Despot) have these on display and 
for purchase, so you can go in and see them in action, which I would encourage 
you to do if you haven't already.

On a related note, has anyone here got or seen one of the heat pump water 
heaters?  I'm looking at those, too.  The GE model looks pretty promising, with 
the tax credits and lower energy costs.  They are most efficient in warmer 
climates, so they're even better down here

Dan



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From: Craig 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:48:32 -0400 Allan Streib 
wrote:

> A tear-down of Philips new dimmable 12.5W LED bulb.  After my disastrous
> experience with CFLs I can only hope these are better, since the choice
> to use regular incandescents seem to have been legislated away.
> 
> http://www.edn.com/blog/PowerSource/40512-Remote_Phosphors_Philips_LED_bulb_Tear_down_Part_II.php

Thank you for the link. We are in the process of remodeling our kitchen
so I have been looking at information on LED lighting.

Do you have any more information on the subject?


> I'm stockpiling incandescents until the price drops however.

And, unfortunately, the price of incandescents is probably going up as
the quality goes down.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Removing snapped manifold bolts from 603.

[Max Dillon]

Rolf, you asked about oil jets for piston cooling in the NA Om606. The 
"Introduction to service" book says it does. I finally had time to look at the 
book today.

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Rolf  wrote:

I was more successful! I used the Irwin extractor and a right angle 
chuck adapter from harbor freight. The back one I had to do blind but 
managed to get it right on in the middle.

-Rolf

On 8/12/2011 5:34 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
> Drill and use an extractor, the broken ones on our two 603's have come 
> out easily once the head is off.
>
> Quite an exercise to attempt with the head on the engine with the 
> engine in the car -- didn't work!
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 124 timing case

[Max Dillon]

They do, but they are not blocked, easy to access.

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Mitch Haley  wrote:

Max Dillon wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that step won't apply, the idea there is too loosen the oil 
> pan so there is room to get the case out.

The front pan bolts don't go into the timing case?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[LWB250]

I have been doing a fair amount of research on these lamps for a couple of 
weeks in anticipation of relamping all the fixtures in the house we are hoping 
to close on in a month or two.

Many of the newer homes down here like ours use a boatload of recessed 
lighting, which is not only inefficient in some respects, but generates a 
significant heat load.  Add this to the work the AC has to do to keep the house 
cool, and you're looking at some significant savings by going to LED.

I like what I see so far in the PAR30 style lamps, but damn, they are 
expensive!  I am figuring about $40-$45 per lamp right now, even if I buy them 
in quantity.

Much like CFLs, I have a lot of concerns about longevity.  I was always 
diligent about keeping receipts for my CFLs after I had a rash of failures.

The light given off by the PAR30 lamps (equivalent to 65W floodlamps) is a nice 
soft white, although you can find different lamps with various light 
temperatures.  I don't care about the dimmable part, as these are mostly task 
lighting in a kitchen area, so they will be either on or off.

Both of the major home centers (Lowes & Home Despot) have these on display and 
for purchase, so you can go in and see them in action, which I would encourage 
you to do if you haven't already.

On a related note, has anyone here got or seen one of the heat pump water 
heaters?  I'm looking at those, too.  The GE model looks pretty promising, with 
the tax credits and lower energy costs.  They are most efficient in warmer 
climates, so they're even better down here

Dan




From: Craig 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:48:32 -0400 Allan Streib 
wrote:

> A tear-down of Philips new dimmable 12.5W LED bulb.  After my disastrous
> experience with CFLs I can only hope these are better, since the choice
> to use regular incandescents seem to have been legislated away.
> 
> http://www.edn.com/blog/PowerSource/40512-Remote_Phosphors_Philips_LED_bulb_Tear_down_Part_II.php

Thank you for the link. We are in the process of remodeling our kitchen
so I have been looking at information on LED lighting.

Do you have any more information on the subject?


> I'm stockpiling incandescents until the price drops however.

And, unfortunately, the price of incandescents is probably going up as
the quality goes down.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Removing snapped manifold bolts from 603.

[Rolf]

I was more successful! I used the Irwin extractor and a right angle 
chuck adapter from harbor freight. The back one I had to do blind but 
managed to get it right on in the middle.


-Rolf

On 8/12/2011 5:34 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
Drill and use an extractor, the broken ones on our two 603's have come 
out easily once the head is off.


Quite an exercise to attempt with the head on the engine with the 
engine in the car -- didn't work!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 124 timing case

[Mitch Haley]

Max Dillon wrote:

I'm pretty sure that step won't apply, the idea there is too loosen the oil pan 
so there is room to get the case out.


The front pan bolts don't go into the timing case?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 timing case

[Max Dillon]

Well, the rail has some play at the top, so I'm convinced that the right
thing to do is replace it.  Failure of this rail would probably destroy the
engine.

Does anyone have the locking tool for the starter ring gear?  I need that to
secure the crankshaft so I can remove the crank balancer.  Tightening torque
on that beast is 200Nm plus a 90 degree turn.  I suppose it is not too
expensive to buy, looks like a little piece of metal that bolts into the
starter hole once the starter is pulled.  Maybe I can fashion something...

-Max

>Brothers,
>
>I'm considering pulling off the timing case cover on my '87 wagon so 
>that I can
>replace the chain guides.  Anyone BTDT?  How tough is it to pull off the
>crankshaft damper?  What sealant do I use to put it all back together?  Any
>hints/tips/gotchas to be aware off?  I know that Dave M. did this 
>job once long
>ago, and I recall that he really didn't enjoy it very much at all.
>
>The upper guide which I've already loosened has a small hole indicating it
is
>getting brittle, and the guide that the chain tensioner pushes on seems to
be
>cocked and not contacting with the tensioner squarely, so I suspect it has
>started failing and I really should replace it as long as I'm this 
>far into the
>process.
>
>
>  Very respectfully,
>/s/
>Max Dillon
>'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
>'95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties)
>'73 Balboa 20 (High & dry until the head is back on)
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Re: [MBZ] 14" hubcap

[Fmiser]

> Dieselhead wrote:

> Anybody got a spare 14" hubcap for 123 etc.?  I'd really like
> to find one that is Midnight blue.  Thanks.

Can't help with the Midnight blue - but I'm sure I have a one I
can spare.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 124 timing case

[Max Dillon]

I'm pretty sure that step won't apply, the idea there is too loosen the oil pan 
so there is room to get the case out. I have the head off, plenty of room for 
the case to come up and off.

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Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

You should be able to put a block under the pan and jack up the 
engine. I am not convinced that this is the ONLY way to get those 
bolts out either. But you can tell when you crawl under and look.


>Well, I do have a really nice hoist that a friend loaned me. My 
>work for the day is set. I'm going to take a really hard look to 
>make sure this banana rail needs replacing or not.
>
>Max
>
>Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>That is 01-210. You lift up the front of the engine to get out the
>>pan bolts that go into the chain cover.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Craig]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:48:32 -0400 Allan Streib 
wrote:

> A tear-down of Philips new dimmable 12.5W LED bulb.  After my disastrous
> experience with CFLs I can only hope these are better, since the choice
> to use regular incandescents seem to have been legislated away.
> 
> http://www.edn.com/blog/PowerSource/40512-Remote_Phosphors_Philips_LED_bulb_Tear_down_Part_II.php

Thank you for the link. We are in the process of remodeling our kitchen
so I have been looking at information on LED lighting.

Do you have any more information on the subject?

 
> I'm stockpiling incandescents until the price drops however.

And, unfortunately, the price of incandescents is probably going up as
the quality goes down.


Craig

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[MBZ] The Decline and Fall of Western Civilization

[Rich Thomas]

yo.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2025575/Kanye-West-Jay-Z-destroy-Maybach-Otis-music-video.html

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Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed

[Bill Ringgold]

Yes, I know that, but the
difference in what I hoped would be
getting the car within a few hours
for more money and a further delay
seemed a warranted tradeoff.  I'm
going up to chat with them tomorrow
and will be taking your info.
Bill R 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320
transmission needed

I have EVERYTHING, not just what is
listed on my web site. Give me any
part number and I sell at a
discount.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320
transmission needed

Thanks - I have a call into Rusty
on that.  I figured he was lower on
the one part needed, but while I
was on the phone with the shop I
put in the part number and he
doesn't have it listed.
I'll ask them to check the spring
and also to contact Sun Valley.
On the positive side, my S420 is
tooling along beautifully.  Just
got back from a trip to Union City,
GA with it, and even with 5 in the
car all seemed in comfort and a
good ride.  I did pick up a lightly
used set of 18" Michelins that are
the correct size for the car, and
as soon as the baby ones that are
on it wear out I'll put them on.
Still prefer 16's, but I think the
ride will be good with the correct
tires for the rims/car.   
Thanks - Bill R 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320
transmission needed

Your best bet is a rebuilt from
Rusty.

Before you give up on the "old"
trans., call Sun Valley Mercedes 
Dismantlers, Sun Valley, CA and
describe the symptoms and attempted

cures.  They are the best trans
diagnosticians in this hemisphere. 
Rusty is the best source for a
rebuilt trans.  They are rebuilt by

Sun Valley.

>Not a good day.  The transmission
>on our 1997 LWB S320 has gone to
>limp mode - stuck in 2nd gear.
>Trusted local transmission shop
has
>tried working with it and replaced
>a cracked piece, but it is not
>responding.
>Rebuilt is way many $$$ [@ $5K],
>does anyone know of a relatively
>low mileage transmission for sale?
>
>92k mile one on eBay is $1,095.
>That is the most promising thus
>far.  
>Thanks - Bill R
>
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Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Never heard that one, worth a try though

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On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> Ok so they replaced the plate, did they reset the computer? A regular obd 
>> tool won't cut it.
> 
> Will this do it?
> 
> From Benzworld:
> 
> Have you tried the "FREE" method?? (ie. Resetting the Tranny Computer??)
> 
> Turn key to position "2"
> Hold gas pedal to floor for 5 seconds
> Release and turn key to position "0" but DON"T TAKE THE KEY OUT!!
> Wait a minimum of 2 minutes during this time DON"T TOUCH ANYTHING, and Don't 
> open the doors,etc...
> Now you're reset...
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[MBZ] OT: LED bulb tear-down

[Allan Streib]

A tear-down of Philips new dimmable 12.5W LED bulb.  After my disastrous
experience with CFLs I can only hope these are better, since the choice
to use regular incandescents seem to have been legislated away.

http://www.edn.com/blog/PowerSource/40512-Remote_Phosphors_Philips_LED_bulb_Tear_down_Part_II.php

I'm stockpiling incandescents until the price drops however.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 14" hubcap

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:
Anybody got a spare 14" hubcap for 123 etc.?  I'd really like to find 
one that is Midnight blue.  Thanks.


I think two of these might be that color:
http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/2537783505.html

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Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Ok so they replaced the plate, did they reset the computer? A regular obd tool 
won't cut it.


Will this do it?

From Benzworld:

Have you tried the "FREE" method?? (ie. Resetting the Tranny Computer??)

Turn key to position "2"
Hold gas pedal to floor for 5 seconds
Release and turn key to position "0" but DON"T TAKE THE KEY OUT!!
Wait a minimum of 2 minutes during this time DON"T TOUCH ANYTHING, and Don't 
open the doors,etc...

Now you're reset...

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Re: [MBZ] 124 timing case

[Dieselhead]

You should be able to put a block under the pan and jack up the 
engine.  I am not convinced that this is the ONLY way to get those 
bolts out either.  But you can tell when you crawl under and look.



Well, I do have a really nice hoist that a friend loaned me.  My 
work for the day is set.  I'm going to take a really hard look to 
make sure this banana rail needs replacing or not.


Max

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


That is 01-210.  You lift up the front of the engine to get out the
pan bolts that go into the chain cover.



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Re: [MBZ] 14" hubcap

[WILTON]

WOW!  What luck!

Wilton

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 14" hubcap



On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:28:55 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Anybody got a spare 14" hubcap for 123 etc.?  I'd really like to find
one that is Midnight blue.  Thanks.



This one is even the right color.

http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/for/2505146404.html


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 14" hubcap

[Craig]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:28:55 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anybody got a spare 14" hubcap for 123 etc.?  I'd really like to find 
> one that is Midnight blue.  Thanks.


This one is even the right color.

http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/for/2505146404.html


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 14" hubcap

[WILTON]

I "knew" that, if I were to keep them long enough, somebody would finally 
want one.  'Had 5 or 6 extras 'til about 5 years ago; 'tried to get somebody 
to take 'em; nobody wanted them; 'finally laid 'em out by the street; 'gone 
within an hour.  When I got the ivory '81 300D eleven years ago, I painted 4 
wheel covers with the appropriate spray paint from Tower Paint.  'Had no 
problem, whatever, masking the star with help of an exacto knife, a compass 
and a straightedge, for a very professional-looking paint job.


Wilton

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:28 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 14" hubcap


Anybody got a spare 14" hubcap for 123 etc.?  I'd really like to find one 
that is Midnight blue.  Thanks.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 timing case

[Max Dillon]

Well, I do have a really nice hoist that a friend loaned me.  My work for the 
day is set.  I'm going to take a really hard look to make sure this banana rail 
needs replacing or not.

Max

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>That is 01-210.  You lift up the front of the engine to get out the 
>pan bolts that go into the chain cover.
>

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[MBZ] 14" hubcap

[Dieselhead]

Anybody got a spare 14" hubcap for 123 etc.?  I'd really like to find 
one that is Midnight blue.  Thanks.


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Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed

[Jaime Kopchinski]

I'm a firm believer in that, but that guy had some REALLY expensive tools.
 Everything was Hazet, Stahlwille, etc.

Jaime


On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> He also said that a trans swap would cost him $5000.  I'll stick with Rusty
> if I ever need a trans.  But when you evaluate tools VS cost of paying
> someone for the work, using stealership or higher prices can justify fancy
> tools.
>
> Looks like his garage is bigger than most people's house.
>
>
>  WHOA... with the amount of money this guy has spent on tools, he could
>> have
>> stocked several new transmissions just in case.  Wow!
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin > >wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  
>>> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210-e-class/1474216-**
>>>
>>> photo-diy-722-6-conductor-plate.html>> benzworld.org/forums/w210-e-**class/1474216-photo-diy-722-6-**
>>> conductor-plate.html
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed

[Dieselhead]

He also said that a trans swap would cost him $5000.  I'll stick with 
Rusty if I ever need a trans.  But when you evaluate tools VS cost of 
paying someone for the work, using stealership or higher prices can 
justify fancy tools.


Looks like his garage is bigger than most people's house.



WHOA... with the amount of money this guy has spent on tools, he could have
stocked several new transmissions just in case.  Wow!

Jaime


On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


 http://www.benzworld.org/**forums/w210-e-class/1474216-**

photo-diy-722-6-conductor-**plate.html



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Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed

[buymbparts]

I have EVERYTHING, not just what is listed on my web site. Give me any part 
number and I sell at a discount.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed

Thanks - I have a call into Rusty
on that.  I figured he was lower on
the one part needed, but while I
was on the phone with the shop I
put in the part number and he
doesn't have it listed.
I'll ask them to check the spring
and also to contact Sun Valley.
On the positive side, my S420 is
tooling along beautifully.  Just
got back from a trip to Union City,
GA with it, and even with 5 in the
car all seemed in comfort and a
good ride.  I did pick up a lightly
used set of 18" Michelins that are
the correct size for the car, and
as soon as the baby ones that are
on it wear out I'll put them on.
Still prefer 16's, but I think the
ride will be good with the correct
tires for the rims/car.   
Thanks - Bill R 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320
transmission needed

Your best bet is a rebuilt from
Rusty.

Before you give up on the "old"
trans., call Sun Valley Mercedes 
Dismantlers, Sun Valley, CA and
describe the symptoms and attempted

cures.  They are the best trans
diagnosticians in this hemisphere. 
Rusty is the best source for a
rebuilt trans.  They are rebuilt by

Sun Valley.

>Not a good day.  The transmission
>on our 1997 LWB S320 has gone to
>limp mode - stuck in 2nd gear.
>Trusted local transmission shop
has
>tried working with it and replaced
>a cracked piece, but it is not
>responding.
>Rebuilt is way many $$$ [@ $5K],
>does anyone know of a relatively
>low mileage transmission for sale?
>
>92k mile one on eBay is $1,095.
>That is the most promising thus
>far.  
>Thanks - Bill R
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 timing case

[Dieselhead]

That is 01-210.  You lift up the front of the engine to get out the 
pan bolts that go into the chain cover.


There is a procedure on the 124 CD, it calls for lifting the engine 
with a hoist at one point. I hope this doesn't turn into a nightmare.


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Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

I looked at the 05 section (timing chain) at DaveM's site. it sounds
like the lower pin is fixed and you pull the banana rail off the pin
after you take off the chain case. (01-210) Funny thing, under the
124/OM603, there is no 01-210. I found it under the 126 section.
Sounds like a good day's project. Good Luck!



My paper copy of the parts manual shows the pin as a separate part,
but in the picture it's different from the pins for the upper rail
which have the threaded hole for the extractor.

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Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, the book is likely to be right, since I never changed one on an
OM60x. On everything else, the pin is exposed.



That's good news if there is a pin to pull, service manual says to
remove the cover but I'll take a look to see if I can find a pin.

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Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

You should be able to replace the banana rail (that the tensioner
pushes on) from the outside. Pull the pin, pull out the old. Put
the new one in and replace the pin.



Brothers,

I'm considering pulling off the timing case cover on my '87 wagon so
that I can
replace the chain guides. Anyone BTDT? How tough is it to pull off the
crankshaft damper? What sealant do I use to put it all back together? Any
hints/tips/gotchas to be aware off? I know that Dave M. did this
job once long
ago, and I recall that he really didn't enjoy it very much at all.

The upper guide which I've already loosened has a small hole
indicating it is
getting brittle, and the guide that the chain tensioner pushes on
seems to be
cocked and not contacting with the tensioner squarely, so I suspect it has
started failing and I really should replace it as long as I'm this
far into the
process.


 Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
'95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties)
'73 Balboa 20 (High & dry until the head is back on)
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed

[Jaime Kopchinski]

WHOA... with the amount of money this guy has spent on tools, he could have
stocked several new transmissions just in case.  Wow!

Jaime


On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
> http://www.benzworld.org/**forums/w210-e-class/1474216-**
> photo-diy-722-6-conductor-**plate.html
>
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Re: [MBZ] E300 fuel consumption and fuel filters

[Max Dillon]

I've probably done about 8 or 10 long highway trips, so I know that 31 is about 
average. 

Max
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Curt Raymond  wrote:

Can't really compare any 2 tanks anyway, theres just too many variables.
How much before data do you have? I feel comfortable making a mileage statement 
after 4 tanks.

And considering that I feel comfortable saying my '84 190D 2.2l auto averages 
~37mpg. My '85 190D 2.2l 5spd averaged 38mpg over 90,000 miles so I think its 
fair to say (since my '84 has around half the mileage of the '85) that the auto 
costs you around 1mpg... ;)

-Curt

Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:22:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Max Dillon 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] E300 fuel consumption and fuel filters
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Dieselvolk,

A few weeks ago I made a trip to DC and back. Usually on that trip I get about
31 or 32 mpg, but this time I only got 27.4 mpg on the way up, and before that
I'd noticed that the fuel consumption around town had increased. Decided to
test the theory about filters, and changed both the main filter and the
pre-filter before my return trip. Mileage did improve to 30.1 mpg on the way
home. Can that be attributed to the fuel filter? Don't know, need more data,
comparing mileage from just two tanks of fuel from different stations is not
valid due to possible differences in the fuel. 


Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
'95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties)
'73 Balboa 20 (High & dry until the head is back on)
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] 124 timing case

[Max Dillon]

There is a procedure on the 124 CD, it calls for lifting the engine with a 
hoist at one point. I hope this doesn't turn into a nightmare.

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Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

I looked at the 05 section (timing chain) at DaveM's site. it sounds 
like the lower pin is fixed and you pull the banana rail off the pin 
after you take off the chain case. (01-210) Funny thing, under the 
124/OM603, there is no 01-210. I found it under the 126 section. 
Sounds like a good day's project. Good Luck!


>My paper copy of the parts manual shows the pin as a separate part, 
>but in the picture it's different from the pins for the upper rail 
>which have the threaded hole for the extractor.
>
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>Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Well, the book is likely to be right, since I never changed one on an
>OM60x. On everything else, the pin is exposed.
>
>
>>That's good news if there is a pin to pull, service manual says to
>>remove the cover but I'll take a look to see if I can find a pin.
>>
>>Max
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>>Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>You should be able to replace the banana rail (that the tensioner
>>pushes on) from the outside. Pull the pin, pull out the old. Put
>>the new one in and replace the pin.
>>
>>
>>>Brothers,
>>>
>>>I'm considering pulling off the timing case cover on my '87 wagon so
>>>that I can
>>>replace the chain guides. Anyone BTDT? How tough is it to pull off the
>>>crankshaft damper? What sealant do I use to put it all back together? Any
>>>hints/tips/gotchas to be aware off? I know that Dave M. did this
>>>job once long
>>>ago, and I recall that he really didn't enjoy it very much at all.
>>>
>>>The upper guide which I've already loosened has a small hole 
>>>indicating it is
>>>getting brittle, and the guide that the chain tensioner pushes on 
>>>seems to be
>>>cocked and not contacting with the tensioner squarely, so I suspect it has
>>>started failing and I really should replace it as long as I'm this
>>>far into the
>>>process.
>>>
>>>
>>> Very respectfully,
>>>/s/
>>>Max Dillon
>>>'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
>>>'95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties)
>>>'73 Balboa 20 (High & dry until the head is back on)
>>>Charleston SC
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