[MBZ] OT-Boot Camp swap to Parallels

2012-02-21 Thread clay monroe
Picked up a Macbook today.  PO was of questionable mental capacity in my book.  
Why get a Macbook and then clobber up the thing by partitioning the vast 
majority with winblows in bootcamp, leaving a crippled partition for OSX?

Now I need to repartition the thing so I can use OSX, but I do not want to lose 
the winblows.  Need winblows so I can use the EPS and the manuals on CD.  
Anybody have good ideas?

Original 80 gig drive.  Bootcamp setup for 57GB, and 20GB for OSX.  Went into 
windows and shrank the footprint for that to 30gig, and now need to expand the 
boot partition in OSX.  Know I have to wipe the bootcamp, but how do I clone or 
get a viable iso?  How can I get it to load into parallels from either USB HD 
or ?  I could just winclone to the OSX partition, but there is no space.




clay 

1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers






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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread clay monroe
My guess would be shoo-goo and duct tape to patch the hole

clay

On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:55 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote:

 I have a friend who’s having an issue with her dearly beloved 1985 190E 2.3.  
 There’s a hole in the air intake hose which is throwing off the mixture.  Her 
 mechanic quoted hundreds of dollars to fix it, so she approached me today 
 asking if I would fix it for less.  I wanted to bounce this off you guys for 
 any gotchas before jumping in.  I haven’t looked it to see what has to be 
 removed to get to the offending hose.  It sounds like a challenge for me, and 
 an opportunity to make a few bucks to put into my own project 240D.  Anyone 
 BTDT?
 
 TIA,
 
 
 
 Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

2012-02-21 Thread Allan Streib
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes:

 Was this board more than one layer of circuitry like computer motherboards?
 If not, it was likely fixable in some manner.

With a dime-sized hole burned through it, doubtful.

-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

2012-02-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Allan Streib wrote:


With a dime-sized hole burned through it, doubtful.


If you knew where the missing traces went (doubtful without a schematic, it may 
have been possible to jumper them in with wires.




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Re: [MBZ] OT-Boot Camp swap to Parallels

2012-02-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Not sure how you could clone just the BC partition and restore it, as OSX does 
some majik to make it work.

How's about a totally clean install and then running a copy of Virtual Box for 
your Windoze environment?

Any time I get a new machine I do a total wipe and clean install. No telling 
what the PO had on it.

Worst case, you can check the torrent sites for an evaluation copy of any one 
of the popular repartitioning utilities.

Dan

On Feb 21, 2012, at 3:26 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Picked up a Macbook today.  PO was of questionable mental capacity in my 
 book.  Why get a Macbook and then clobber up the thing by partitioning the 
 vast majority with winblows in bootcamp, leaving a crippled partition for OSX?
 
 Now I need to repartition the thing so I can use OSX, but I do not want to 
 lose the winblows.  Need winblows so I can use the EPS and the manuals on CD. 
  Anybody have good ideas?
 
 Original 80 gig drive.  Bootcamp setup for 57GB, and 20GB for OSX.  Went into 
 windows and shrank the footprint for that to 30gig, and now need to expand 
 the boot partition in OSX.  Know I have to wipe the bootcamp, but how do I 
 clone or get a viable iso?  How can I get it to load into parallels from 
 either USB HD or ?  I could just winclone to the OSX partition, but there 
 is no space.
 
 
 
 
 clay 
 
 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s

2012-02-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Let me begin by stating unequivocally that I have absolutely no intention of 
purchasing any of these cars.

My observations were such that I was surprised by the number of them on the 
local market, and the prices they are selling at relative to their original 
cost.

I went back and checked, and while by no means is this statistically accurate, 
a casual look shows roughly 10% of the MBs in the local market right now are 
V12 models of some sort.

Considering that these were not a large part of the product line at any given 
time, I find it surprising that there are so many on the market.

Definitely not a good indicator.

Dan

On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:25 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Of course, this same argument could be use before the wife, to justify the
 acquisition of a third 600. ;-) hee hee.
 
 To be honest, while a 600 will never be a cheap car to run, I wouldn't be
 put off one, anymore than other car of similar complexity.  Also, I think
 it's true that when a car fails, you'll let all your friends, and pretty
 much anyone who will listen know about it.  But when a car functions as we
 all expect them to, no mention is ever made of it.  Human nature.
 
 All cars have their flaws and weaknesses.  A $200,000 car is no different,
 but when parts fail, expect to pay for those model specific parts, a price
 that is in line with a $200,000 car, not its depreciated price, whatever
 that may be.  You can pick up old 6.9s for a few thousand dollars, but no
 one expects to pay 240D prices for 6.9 engine parts.
 
 A 600 is a top of the line car, from a car company who's entry level models
 are quite expensive.  I wouldn't worry about a V12 going bang every time
 you drive it, but if that's something anyone would worry about, then it's
 probably not the right car for them.  If for no other reason than it would
 take away from the pleasure of owning it.  And as no one needs a V12,
 pleasure and pride of ownership are a big part of the experience.
 
 A bit of advise I always give to friends when thinking about buying an
 expensive car.  Don't drive what you think you can afford to drive.  Drive
 what you can afford to crash and blow up.  ;-)
 
 That's my take on big expensive cars anyway.  :-)
 
 Ed
 300E
 300E
 
 On 20 February 2012 23:27, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
 On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:52:38 -0500 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The old rule probably applies, as it does with most things.  If you have
 two of them, and therefore a supply of all the spares you'll ever need,
 it will probably never fail you.  The danger zone, is the time period
 between your purchase of the first 600, and waiting for the second
 spare one to come along. The first one will come easy, and all of a
 sudden, all those cheap 600 one the market you plan to buy as a spare,
 will be no where to be seen.  THAT's when your car will go boom, and
 you'll have to remortgage the house to fix it, or figure out how to
 stick an old diesel engine in it. hee hee.
 
 Of course, if there's a design flaw and certain expensive parts fail
 regularly, having only a second 600 as a parts supply would be
 insufficient, serving only to delay the time when you really need to pay
 the piper.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Could it be the hose between the fuel distributor and the intake?

I had to do one of these on either a 420 or 300E (I can't recall which one) and 
as I do recall it was labor intensive and a PITA for a very small piece of hose.

It's definitely within the DIY realm, just involves a lot of disassembly and 
reassembly as I recall.

The more I think about it, I am pretty sure the one I did was on a 420SEL...

Dan

On Feb 21, 2012, at 1:55 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:

 I have a friend who’s having an issue with her dearly beloved 1985 190E 2.3.  
 There’s a hole in the air intake hose which is throwing off the mixture.  Her 
 mechanic quoted hundreds of dollars to fix it, so she approached me today 
 asking if I would fix it for less.  I wanted to bounce this off you guys for 
 any gotchas before jumping in.  I haven’t looked it to see what has to be 
 removed to get to the offending hose.  It sounds like a challenge for me, and 
 an opportunity to make a few bucks to put into my own project 240D.  Anyone 
 BTDT?
 
 TIA,
 
 
 
 Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s

2012-02-21 Thread E M
I think there could be several reasons for this; but just my guess.

I find most top of the range models don't hold their value as well as the
more affordable models.  Also, these cars are bought new, by well off
people.  Most of those people remain well off, so when a new model comes
out, they buy it.  Once these cars are sold, it's often to people who want
one, but are unwilling to pay the big premium to drive it out of the
showroom (can't blame them).  They get several years of pretty trouble free
driving out of a newish car, but are wise enough to part with them before
they become a money pit, and then they go out and replace it with something
similar again, but newer.

As these cars change hands, the running costs go up, naturally, as the car
is getting older.  The cars are getting cheaper, and so these cars are now
finding their way into hands for even less money, but with greater running
costs.  (they start looking like a deal too good to pass up if you're a car
guy)  Throw in a bit of a squeeze with the economy, ever rising fuel
prices, and a few replacement parts that cost WHAT that you have to
justify to the wife, and once again, these cars are on the market, but now
for cheap, with some miles, and deferred maintenance, with the promise to
cost as much as the car is worth, to fix those little switches that don't
work, and other little things that should have been changed as part of
regular maintenance, but weren't.

I find this is kind of the route big BMWs take too.  These cars were
designed to be owned by rich guys, and maintained with an open chequebook.

I'm glad this happens in ways, as it allows car guys like us to buy a V12
if we want.  We just have to be smart when making a choice, and leave a
good chunk of cash off to the side to keep it serviced as it deserves to
be.  I think they are really great cars!  :-)

Ed
300E
On 21 February 2012 08:06, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Let me begin by stating unequivocally that I have absolutely no intention
 of purchasing any of these cars.

 My observations were such that I was surprised by the number of them on
 the local market, and the prices they are selling at relative to their
 original cost.

 I went back and checked, and while by no means is this statistically
 accurate, a casual look shows roughly 10% of the MBs in the local market
 right now are V12 models of some sort.

 Considering that these were not a large part of the product line at any
 given time, I find it surprising that there are so many on the market.

 Definitely not a good indicator.

 Dan

 On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:25 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

  Of course, this same argument could be use before the wife, to justify
 the
  acquisition of a third 600. ;-) hee hee.
 
  To be honest, while a 600 will never be a cheap car to run, I wouldn't be
  put off one, anymore than other car of similar complexity.  Also, I think
  it's true that when a car fails, you'll let all your friends, and pretty
  much anyone who will listen know about it.  But when a car functions as
 we
  all expect them to, no mention is ever made of it.  Human nature.
 
  All cars have their flaws and weaknesses.  A $200,000 car is no
 different,
  but when parts fail, expect to pay for those model specific parts, a
 price
  that is in line with a $200,000 car, not its depreciated price, whatever
  that may be.  You can pick up old 6.9s for a few thousand dollars, but no
  one expects to pay 240D prices for 6.9 engine parts.
 
  A 600 is a top of the line car, from a car company who's entry level
 models
  are quite expensive.  I wouldn't worry about a V12 going bang every time
  you drive it, but if that's something anyone would worry about, then it's
  probably not the right car for them.  If for no other reason than it
 would
  take away from the pleasure of owning it.  And as no one needs a V12,
  pleasure and pride of ownership are a big part of the experience.
 
  A bit of advise I always give to friends when thinking about buying an
  expensive car.  Don't drive what you think you can afford to drive.
  Drive
  what you can afford to crash and blow up.  ;-)
 
  That's my take on big expensive cars anyway.  :-)
 
  Ed
  300E
  300E
 
  On 20 February 2012 23:27, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
  On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:52:38 -0500 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The old rule probably applies, as it does with most things.  If you
 have
  two of them, and therefore a supply of all the spares you'll ever need,
  it will probably never fail you.  The danger zone, is the time period
  between your purchase of the first 600, and waiting for the second
  spare one to come along. The first one will come easy, and all of a
  sudden, all those cheap 600 one the market you plan to buy as a spare,
  will be no where to be seen.  THAT's when your car will go boom, and
  you'll have to remortgage the house to fix it, or figure out how to
  stick an old diesel engine in it. hee hee.
 
  Of 

Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s

2012-02-21 Thread G Mann
It's the bad economy. Hard time have come for the rich. They have had to
fire the drivers and door openers, valet service has cut back due to fancy
food places being almost unoccupied. The list goes on but it's
indicative of the times we live in. In the 30's you could pick up luxury
cars for scrap prices because the bankers who drove them were out of
business. Large expensive car companies went out of business about year 4
of the great depression , we are coming on to year 5 of the new greater
depression so dumping the luxury car is on schedule.

Another 4 years of Chains we can bleed in anyone?

Grant...

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Let me begin by stating unequivocally that I have absolutely no intention
 of purchasing any of these cars.

 My observations were such that I was surprised by the number of them on
 the local market, and the prices they are selling at relative to their
 original cost.

 I went back and checked, and while by no means is this statistically
 accurate, a casual look shows roughly 10% of the MBs in the local market
 right now are V12 models of some sort.

 Considering that these were not a large part of the product line at any
 given time, I find it surprising that there are so many on the market.

 Definitely not a good indicator.

 Dan

 On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:25 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

  Of course, this same argument could be use before the wife, to justify
 the
  acquisition of a third 600. ;-) hee hee.
 
  To be honest, while a 600 will never be a cheap car to run, I wouldn't be
  put off one, anymore than other car of similar complexity.  Also, I think
  it's true that when a car fails, you'll let all your friends, and pretty
  much anyone who will listen know about it.  But when a car functions as
 we
  all expect them to, no mention is ever made of it.  Human nature.
 
  All cars have their flaws and weaknesses.  A $200,000 car is no
 different,
  but when parts fail, expect to pay for those model specific parts, a
 price
  that is in line with a $200,000 car, not its depreciated price, whatever
  that may be.  You can pick up old 6.9s for a few thousand dollars, but no
  one expects to pay 240D prices for 6.9 engine parts.
 
  A 600 is a top of the line car, from a car company who's entry level
 models
  are quite expensive.  I wouldn't worry about a V12 going bang every time
  you drive it, but if that's something anyone would worry about, then it's
  probably not the right car for them.  If for no other reason than it
 would
  take away from the pleasure of owning it.  And as no one needs a V12,
  pleasure and pride of ownership are a big part of the experience.
 
  A bit of advise I always give to friends when thinking about buying an
  expensive car.  Don't drive what you think you can afford to drive.
  Drive
  what you can afford to crash and blow up.  ;-)
 
  That's my take on big expensive cars anyway.  :-)
 
  Ed
  300E
  300E
 
  On 20 February 2012 23:27, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
  On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:52:38 -0500 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The old rule probably applies, as it does with most things.  If you
 have
  two of them, and therefore a supply of all the spares you'll ever need,
  it will probably never fail you.  The danger zone, is the time period
  between your purchase of the first 600, and waiting for the second
  spare one to come along. The first one will come easy, and all of a
  sudden, all those cheap 600 one the market you plan to buy as a spare,
  will be no where to be seen.  THAT's when your car will go boom, and
  you'll have to remortgage the house to fix it, or figure out how to
  stick an old diesel engine in it. hee hee.
 
  Of course, if there's a design flaw and certain expensive parts fail
  regularly, having only a second 600 as a parts supply would be
  insufficient, serving only to delay the time when you really need to pay
  the piper.
 
 
  Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s

2012-02-21 Thread Dieselhead


Great analysis Ed.  That has been true for years.  There is a 
technology break between 126 and 140 that is significant.  126 has a 
lot in common with all the post 1959 S class, and even with all 
post-1961 MB cars  (1962 in the NA market)  The 140 has more in 
common with the 1995 and later cars.  A similar technology break was 
made with the 1959 introduction of the 111/112 chassis, and two years 
later for the 110.  Those cars were radically different than the 
pontons and earlier.


The 126, and its technologically similar products 
(107/110/111/112/113/114/115/116/123/124/126) are relatively 
inexpensive to maintain.  The 140 tried to be more like the 20 years 
out of production 600, but in a much smaller chassis.  It was a full 
jump into the world of electronics, and high priced window switches, 
bulletproof glass, etc. with M100 type prices for parts.


The 210 is a transition model, without all the most expensive 
hang-ons that the 140 got.  210 still shows it linage, with many 
parts interchangeable with the 124.


Compared to a 140, a 126 is reliable and inexpensive to keep on the 
road.  It was never aimed at the 600 market.







I think there could be several reasons for this; but just my guess.

I find most top of the range models don't hold their value as well as the
more affordable models.  Also, these cars are bought new, by well off
people.  Most of those people remain well off, so when a new model comes
out, they buy it.  Once these cars are sold, it's often to people who want
one, but are unwilling to pay the big premium to drive it out of the
showroom (can't blame them).  They get several years of pretty trouble free
driving out of a newish car, but are wise enough to part with them before
they become a money pit, and then they go out and replace it with something
similar again, but newer.

As these cars change hands, the running costs go up, naturally, as the car
is getting older.  The cars are getting cheaper, and so these cars are now
finding their way into hands for even less money, but with greater running
costs.  (they start looking like a deal too good to pass up if you're a car
guy)  Throw in a bit of a squeeze with the economy, ever rising fuel
prices, and a few replacement parts that cost WHAT that you have to
justify to the wife, and once again, these cars are on the market, but now
for cheap, with some miles, and deferred maintenance, with the promise to
cost as much as the car is worth, to fix those little switches that don't
work, and other little things that should have been changed as part of
regular maintenance, but weren't.

I find this is kind of the route big BMWs take too.  These cars were
designed to be owned by rich guys, and maintained with an open chequebook.

I'm glad this happens in ways, as it allows car guys like us to buy a V12
if we want.  We just have to be smart when making a choice, and leave a
good chunk of cash off to the side to keep it serviced as it deserves to
be.  I think they are really great cars!  :-)

Ed
300E


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Re: [MBZ] Wood keeps falling off W123 dash

2012-02-21 Thread Dave Cavner
I guess I'm not picturing your problem correctly. My wood curves up at the 
edges and pulls away from the flat metal piece with the nubs. I removed the 
wood from metal with a razor to be able to keep it perfectly flat, under 
weights, between 2 pieces of MDF. I was most afraid of cracking the varnish but 
it seems okay - time will tell if it re-warps. I'm assuming it will. 
Reattaching the wood to metal with the silicone was trivial. It's flatter than 
it was but I'm learning to live with the defects - if I obsessed over every 
little niggle I'd have no spare time.

Dave

On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:39 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 The wood is perfect yet slightly warped and I don't want to risk
 damaging the finish.  These are some great suggestions, but I like
 most the idea of scoring the nubs with a razor.  On my 1985 300TD, the
 PO used the thick double-sides foam tape to glue the wood on, and when
 I needed to remove the piece to swap the ACC module i practically had
 to use a crowbar to get it off!  This of course trashed the wood
 (which had no metal  backing anyway) but as I packrat spare W23 parts
 I had a wood piece waiting just for this occasion.
 
 On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Dave Cavner w123wa...@gmail.com wrote:
 I believe on a W123 wagon, the wood is attached to a metal piece which then 
 plugs into the dash with 4 nubs.  The wood in question typically curves up 
 at the edges while the metal piece remains flat. I've pulled it off the 
 metal backing and let it sit under weight for a few weeks with a bit of 
 success. Perhaps steam would help even more?
 
 If this is what you are talking about, re-gluing it to the metal should be 
 fine. It's still removable. My personal archives have a recommendation for 
 3M weather striping adhesive following the directions to the letter (glue 
 both items to be bonded and wait).
 
 My neighbor is a lifelong glass installer - he recommended a clear silicone 
 which I've had great success with. CR Laurence Silicone Sealant #33S. He's 
 used it with glass inserts on warped kitchen doors and it will straighten 
 them back to square. He also uses it to hang vanity wall mirrors - the stuff 
 is super strong but doesn't bleed through the mirror backing. I love 
 watching him put down a bead around a window perimeter - the finished job 
 looks like a machine did the work. He's tried lots of caulk in his 30+ years 
 and this is the only stuff he uses anymore. I'm a convert.
 
 Dave
 
 
 On Feb 20, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
 On Feb 20, 2012 5:16 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 The ACC wood veneer surrounding the ACC module on her 1985 300CD keeps
 falling off whenever we go over a bump because the zebrano is ever so
 slightly warped.  I realize I can't un-warp it, bur is there a clever
 way to maybe add a little something to the holes on the plastic piece
 where the wood snaps into place so as to make it fit more snugly?


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[MBZ] Spam from trainpain2...@yahoo.com

2012-02-21 Thread Rich Thomas
The last couple of days I have received spam though okiebenz from a 
couple of different people, this the latest one.  Anyone else getting 
this stuff?


--R

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trainpain2...@yahoo.com

Good evening!
http://avayenoor.com/httphome-income-at2410.php?jluprofID=7



 Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:12:15
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Re: [MBZ] Wood keeps falling off W123 dash

2012-02-21 Thread Michael Canfield
The wood around the ACC controls is on a piece of metal.  As the wood warps
over time it bends the metal making it so the tabs that stick in the
plastic don't all stick in their holes at the same time.  Makes it so the
piece falls off every now and then.

Mike
On Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM, Dave Cavner w123wa...@gmail.com wrote:

 I guess I'm not picturing your problem correctly. My wood curves up at the
 edges and pulls away from the flat metal piece with the nubs. I removed the
 wood from metal with a razor to be able to keep it perfectly flat, under
 weights, between 2 pieces of MDF. I was most afraid of cracking the varnish
 but it seems okay - time will tell if it re-warps. I'm assuming it will.
 Reattaching the wood to metal with the silicone was trivial. It's flatter
 than it was but I'm learning to live with the defects - if I obsessed over
 every little niggle I'd have no spare time.

 Dave

 On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:39 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

  The wood is perfect yet slightly warped and I don't want to risk
  damaging the finish.  These are some great suggestions, but I like
  most the idea of scoring the nubs with a razor.  On my 1985 300TD, the
  PO used the thick double-sides foam tape to glue the wood on, and when
  I needed to remove the piece to swap the ACC module i practically had
  to use a crowbar to get it off!  This of course trashed the wood
  (which had no metal  backing anyway) but as I packrat spare W23 parts
  I had a wood piece waiting just for this occasion.
 
  On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Dave Cavner w123wa...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I believe on a W123 wagon, the wood is attached to a metal piece which
 then plugs into the dash with 4 nubs.  The wood in question typically
 curves up at the edges while the metal piece remains flat. I've pulled it
 off the metal backing and let it sit under weight for a few weeks with a
 bit of success. Perhaps steam would help even more?
 
  If this is what you are talking about, re-gluing it to the metal should
 be fine. It's still removable. My personal archives have a recommendation
 for 3M weather striping adhesive following the directions to the letter
 (glue both items to be bonded and wait).
 
  My neighbor is a lifelong glass installer - he recommended a clear
 silicone which I've had great success with. CR Laurence Silicone Sealant
 #33S. He's used it with glass inserts on warped kitchen doors and it will
 straighten them back to square. He also uses it to hang vanity wall mirrors
 - the stuff is super strong but doesn't bleed through the mirror backing. I
 love watching him put down a bead around a window perimeter - the finished
 job looks like a machine did the work. He's tried lots of caulk in his 30+
 years and this is the only stuff he uses anymore. I'm a convert.
 
  Dave
 
 
  On Feb 20, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 
  On Feb 20, 2012 5:16 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  The ACC wood veneer surrounding the ACC module on her 1985 300CD keeps
  falling off whenever we go over a bump because the zebrano is ever so
  slightly warped.  I realize I can't un-warp it, bur is there a clever
  way to maybe add a little something to the holes on the plastic piece
  where the wood snaps into place so as to make it fit more snugly?


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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread Curt Raymond
You and I are of one mind on this, Marshall and my Indy are of the other where 
you replace only the parts which have failed when they fail.

I figure the hoses are all about the same age...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:37:38 -0500
From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question
Message-ID:
canth8rxsdetwozxeqnq80d_g+3ippufkawpgy_mhz0j91q+...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

I'd find out exactly what has the hole in it, and get a quote from Rusty
for a new part/s.  Doesn't sound like changing an air hose would be a big
deal.  If you have to reset the mixture and stuff, that's something others
on the list would have to offer pointers on.

If it's a car she loves, and sounds like it is, she should maybe think
about changing several of the other hoses if they are original.  Sometimes
it's best just to change all those things at once.  I did a lot of the
rubber hoses at once on the 300E, and Rusty charged me about the same for 6
hoses, or less, than the dealer wanted for one.  Cheap insurance, and being
an '85, there are probably lots of rubber and plastic bits that are now
quite fragile.  And, if you have to remove old brittle parts to get to the
part you need, you run the risk of damaging them.  Might just as well
reassemble with new fresh parts that you, and she can trust.

All it takes is a small leak in an old dry coolant hose to leave you
stranded.  Ask me how I know.  hee hee.

Ed
300E

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread Curt Raymond
I was thinking that too but then got thinking about the damage a piece of duct 
tape sucked into the engine would cause. So maybe a piece of hardware cloth 
(which is like small hole chicken wire), then duct tape and shoe goo?

In the end it depends on what the leak really is and what the price of a proper 
repair is.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:28:10 -0800
From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question
Message-ID: d737d4f7-0646-4c35-9855-af3d906b2...@comcast.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

My guess would be shoo-goo and duct tape to patch the hole

clay

On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:55 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote:

 I have a friend who?s having an issue with her dearly beloved 1985 190E 2.3.  
 There?s a hole in the air intake hose which is throwing off the mixture.  Her 
 mechanic quoted hundreds of dollars to fix it, so she approached me today 
 asking if I would fix it for less.  I wanted to bounce this off you guys for 
 any gotchas before jumping in.  I haven?t looked it to see what has to be 
 removed to get to the offending hose.  It sounds like a challenge for me, and 
 an opportunity to make a few bucks to put into my own project 240D.  Anyone 
 BTDT?
 
 TIA,
 
 
 
 Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

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Re: [MBZ] Spam from trainpain2...@yahoo.com

2012-02-21 Thread TE
Yea I've been getting a ton lately too. I can't help but think it's due to
spambots trolling the mail archives.

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:17 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Spam from trainpain2...@yahoo.com

The last couple of days I have received spam though okiebenz from a couple
of different people, this the latest one.  Anyone else getting this stuff?

--R

On 2/21/12 11:12 AM, M G wrote:

trainpain2...@yahoo.com
 Good evening!
 http://avayenoor.com/httphome-income-at2410.php?jluprofID=7



  Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:12:15 __ But when he 
 finally came I mistook the Duke of Newcastle for Albert Edward. (c) 
 Palldin vladivostokin

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Re: [MBZ] OT-Boot Camp swap to Parallels

2012-02-21 Thread Fmiser
 clay monroe wrote:

 Now I need to repartition the thing so I can use OSX, but I do
 not want to lose the winblows.  Need winblows so I can use the
 EPS and the manuals on CD.  Anybody have good ideas?

Virtualbox.

Or VMWare.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread E M
The problem with changing parts only after they fail, is that they never
fail in your driveway.  It's always far from home, at the worst possible
time.  You can then add the cost of a tow to the repair bill too, not to
mention the stress of being stranded.

Any part can fail without warning, but preventative maintenance goes a long
way in eliminating a lot of failures that put cars on the side of the
road.

And, if you do snap a piece of plastic or rubber while working on your
friends car (easy to do), even if she's a good friend, she'll probably
blame you, before she'll blame the 27 year old bit of dried out old rubber
or plastic. hee hee.  If one piece broke, then others of similar material
and age aren't far behind.

Ed
300E

On 21 February 2012 11:26, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 You and I are of one mind on this, Marshall and my Indy are of the other
 where you replace only the parts which have failed when they fail.

 I figure the hoses are all about the same age...

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:37:38 -0500
 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question
 Message-ID:
canth8rxsdetwozxeqnq80d_g+3ippufkawpgy_mhz0j91q+...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

 I'd find out exactly what has the hole in it, and get a quote from Rusty
 for a new part/s.  Doesn't sound like changing an air hose would be a big
 deal.  If you have to reset the mixture and stuff, that's something others
 on the list would have to offer pointers on.

 If it's a car she loves, and sounds like it is, she should maybe think
 about changing several of the other hoses if they are original.  Sometimes
 it's best just to change all those things at once.  I did a lot of the
 rubber hoses at once on the 300E, and Rusty charged me about the same for 6
 hoses, or less, than the dealer wanted for one.  Cheap insurance, and being
 an '85, there are probably lots of rubber and plastic bits that are now
 quite fragile.  And, if you have to remove old brittle parts to get to the
 part you need, you run the risk of damaging them.  Might just as well
 reassemble with new fresh parts that you, and she can trust.

 All it takes is a small leak in an old dry coolant hose to leave you
 stranded.  Ask me how I know.  hee hee.

 Ed
 300E

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread WILTON

Another law of nature:  Stuff always happens at the most inopportune time.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question



The problem with changing parts only after they fail, is that they never
fail in your driveway.  It's always far from home, at the worst possible
time.  You can then add the cost of a tow to the repair bill too, not to
mention the stress of being stranded.

Any part can fail without warning, but preventative maintenance goes a 
long

way in eliminating a lot of failures that put cars on the side of the
road.

And, if you do snap a piece of plastic or rubber while working on your
friends car (easy to do), even if she's a good friend, she'll probably
blame you, before she'll blame the 27 year old bit of dried out old rubber
or plastic. hee hee.  If one piece broke, then others of similar material
and age aren't far behind.

Ed
300E

On 21 February 2012 11:26, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:


You and I are of one mind on this, Marshall and my Indy are of the other
where you replace only the parts which have failed when they fail.

I figure the hoses are all about the same age...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:37:38 -0500
From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question
Message-ID:
   canth8rxsdetwozxeqnq80d_g+3ippufkawpgy_mhz0j91q+...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

I'd find out exactly what has the hole in it, and get a quote from Rusty
for a new part/s.  Doesn't sound like changing an air hose would be a big
deal.  If you have to reset the mixture and stuff, that's something 
others

on the list would have to offer pointers on.

If it's a car she loves, and sounds like it is, she should maybe think
about changing several of the other hoses if they are original. 
Sometimes

it's best just to change all those things at once.  I did a lot of the
rubber hoses at once on the 300E, and Rusty charged me about the same for 
6
hoses, or less, than the dealer wanted for one.  Cheap insurance, and 
being

an '85, there are probably lots of rubber and plastic bits that are now
quite fragile.  And, if you have to remove old brittle parts to get to 
the

part you need, you run the risk of damaging them.  Might just as well
reassemble with new fresh parts that you, and she can trust.

All it takes is a small leak in an old dry coolant hose to leave you
stranded.  Ask me how I know.  hee hee.

Ed
300E

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Re: [MBZ] OT-Boot Camp swap to Parallels

2012-02-21 Thread Brian Toscano
You could use disk utility in Mac OS X to resize the partition.

If it won't let you, then you could clone the existing Mac OS X partition
to the free space between the existing partition windows and Mac OS X
partition, blow away the existing Mac OS X partition, and resize the newer
one to the rest of the disk space. (depending on how the partitioning was
done).

If you have an 80GB drive I imagine this is an older laptop, now sure how
well virtualization would work.  It is XP ?

It is possible to use Vmware Fusion to migrate the Boot Camp windows to a
virtual machine.  In which case you could dedicate the entire drive to Mac
OS X and the VM of Windows just sits as files on your Mac partition.



On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

  clay monroe wrote:

  Now I need to repartition the thing so I can use OSX, but I do
  not want to lose the winblows.  Need winblows so I can use the
  EPS and the manuals on CD.  Anybody have good ideas?

 Virtualbox.

 Or VMWare.

 --Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT-Boot Camp swap to Parallels

2012-02-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Dan Penoff wrote:

Not sure how you could clone just the BC partition and restore it, as OSX does 
some majik to make it work.

How's about a totally clean install and then running a copy of Virtual Box for 
your Windoze environment?



I'd back up the windows activation key and then do a clean install.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spam from trainpain2...@yahoo.com

2012-02-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Rich Thomas wrote:
The last couple of days I have received spam though okiebenz from a 
couple of different people, this the latest one.  Anyone else getting 
this stuff?


I just got the one purporting to be from Manfred.
Hey Manfred, have you been infected or just spoofed?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spam from trainpain2...@yahoo.com

2012-02-21 Thread Mitch Haley

TE wrote:

Yea I've been getting a ton lately too. I can't help but think it's due to
spambots trolling the mail archives.


You need a password to get into Banned Archive, should Kleb do that to the other 
lists?


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Re: [MBZ] OT-Boot Camp swap to Parallels

2012-02-21 Thread clay monroe
If I had the evil Redmond OS, I would not have the issue.  Not worth wasting 
cash to beg a license for the joy of using their bloatware.  Windorks is on 
there and I just need to keep what is there.  I have SL and can do that 
install, but need to pop winblows onto the VM.

Which repartitioning eval would you recommend?

clay

On Feb 21, 2012, at 5:01 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 Not sure how you could clone just the BC partition and restore it, as OSX 
 does some majik to make it work.
 
 How's about a totally clean install and then running a copy of Virtual Box 
 for your Windoze environment?
 
 Any time I get a new machine I do a total wipe and clean install. No telling 
 what the PO had on it.
 
 Worst case, you can check the torrent sites for an evaluation copy of any 
 one of the popular repartitioning utilities.
 
 Dan
 
 On Feb 21, 2012, at 3:26 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Picked up a Macbook today.  PO was of questionable mental capacity in my 
 book.  Why get a Macbook and then clobber up the thing by partitioning the 
 vast majority with winblows in bootcamp, leaving a crippled partition for 
 OSX?
 
 Now I need to repartition the thing so I can use OSX, but I do not want to 
 lose the winblows.  Need winblows so I can use the EPS and the manuals on 
 CD.  Anybody have good ideas?
 
 Original 80 gig drive.  Bootcamp setup for 57GB, and 20GB for OSX.  Went 
 into windows and shrank the footprint for that to 30gig, and now need to 
 expand the boot partition in OSX.  Know I have to wipe the bootcamp, but how 
 do I clone or get a viable iso?  How can I get it to load into parallels 
 from either USB HD or ?  I could just winclone to the OSX partition, but 
 there is no space.
 
 
 
 
 clay 
 
 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread E M
So true!  Unchecked rad hoses (and most other things) tend to let go, far
from home, on a dark unlit, seldom traveled road late at night.  Of course
it's raining, and you forgot your umbrella, as you realize your cell phone
battery is flat too.  When the tow truck driver eventually shows up, he
does a quick evaluation of your predicament, and the grin on his face lets
you know, this one's going to cost you!!  hee hee.

Ed
300E

On 21 February 2012 13:10, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Another law of nature:  Stuff always happens at the most inopportune
 time.

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com

 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:00 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question


  The problem with changing parts only after they fail, is that they never
 fail in your driveway.  It's always far from home, at the worst possible
 time.  You can then add the cost of a tow to the repair bill too, not to
 mention the stress of being stranded.

 Any part can fail without warning, but preventative maintenance goes a
 long
 way in eliminating a lot of failures that put cars on the side of the
 road.

 And, if you do snap a piece of plastic or rubber while working on your
 friends car (easy to do), even if she's a good friend, she'll probably
 blame you, before she'll blame the 27 year old bit of dried out old rubber
 or plastic. hee hee.  If one piece broke, then others of similar material
 and age aren't far behind.

 Ed
 300E

 On 21 February 2012 11:26, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  You and I are of one mind on this, Marshall and my Indy are of the other
 where you replace only the parts which have failed when they fail.

 I figure the hoses are all about the same age...

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:37:38 -0500
 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question
 Message-ID:
   CANth8RXSDeTwoZxEqNQ80D_G+**3iPpUFKAwpgy_mHz0j91q+iGA@**
 mail.gmail.comcanth8rxsdetwozxeqnq80d_g%2b3ippufkawpgy_mhz0j91q%2b...@mail.gmail.com
 
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

 I'd find out exactly what has the hole in it, and get a quote from Rusty
 for a new part/s.  Doesn't sound like changing an air hose would be a big
 deal.  If you have to reset the mixture and stuff, that's something
 others
 on the list would have to offer pointers on.

 If it's a car she loves, and sounds like it is, she should maybe think
 about changing several of the other hoses if they are original. Sometimes
 it's best just to change all those things at once.  I did a lot of the
 rubber hoses at once on the 300E, and Rusty charged me about the same
 for 6
 hoses, or less, than the dealer wanted for one.  Cheap insurance, and
 being
 an '85, there are probably lots of rubber and plastic bits that are now
 quite fragile.  And, if you have to remove old brittle parts to get to
 the
 part you need, you run the risk of damaging them.  Might just as well
 reassemble with new fresh parts that you, and she can trust.

 All it takes is a small leak in an old dry coolant hose to leave you
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Re: [MBZ] OT-Boot Camp swap to Parallels

2012-02-21 Thread clay monroe
Win7 is sitting on 57gb of the drive.  I squished it to 32 in windows, so that 
windows sees itself as occupying less space.  Can not get it into the meager 
6gb of free space in the OSX partition as virtual machine.  Still takes up 
space.

Disk tools does not allow resizing BC partitions, so I have to use BC to make 
the change.  Wipe the BC partition and restore into VM on the now single 
partition OSX SL would be my choice.  Not able to find a way to make that 
transfer yet.

I did have one of those bright flashes of insight as I fell asleep though.  I 
could pull the drive from the macbook, install it in my mac pro, and then mess 
about, since it will not the a running boot drive, but just another drive.  I 
have more than enough space on internal drives to make a disk image.  Then I 
could resize the 80gb to all mac, and recover the dmg to a parallels VM.  Sound 
right, or have I missed something?

clay


On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:

 You could use disk utility in Mac OS X to resize the partition.
 
 If it won't let you, then you could clone the existing Mac OS X partition
 to the free space between the existing partition windows and Mac OS X
 partition, blow away the existing Mac OS X partition, and resize the newer
 one to the rest of the disk space. (depending on how the partitioning was
 done).
 
 If you have an 80GB drive I imagine this is an older laptop, now sure how
 well virtualization would work.  It is XP ?
 
 It is possible to use Vmware Fusion to migrate the Boot Camp windows to a
 virtual machine.  In which case you could dedicate the entire drive to Mac
 OS X and the VM of Windows just sits as files on your Mac partition.
 
 
 
 On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 clay monroe wrote:
 
 Now I need to repartition the thing so I can use OSX, but I do
 not want to lose the winblows.  Need winblows so I can use the
 EPS and the manuals on CD.  Anybody have good ideas?
 
 Virtualbox.
 
 Or VMWare.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT-Boot Camp swap to Parallels

2012-02-21 Thread clay monroe
Do not have windows disk.  Only have Cd drive in the macbook, so would need to 
install from another source.  Maybe torrent version of the DVD as iso or dmg.

clay

On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

 Dan Penoff wrote:
 Not sure how you could clone just the BC partition and restore it, as OSX 
 does some majik to make it work.
 How's about a totally clean install and then running a copy of Virtual Box 
 for your Windoze environment?
 
 
 I'd back up the windows activation key and then do a clean install.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT-Boot Camp swap to Parallels

2012-02-21 Thread Brian Toscano
I wouldn't bother with the dmg file.  Let vmware do the conversion of Boot
Camp.


On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Do not have windows disk.  Only have Cd drive in the macbook, so would
 need to install from another source.  Maybe torrent version of the DVD as
 iso or dmg.

 clay

 On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

  Dan Penoff wrote:
  Not sure how you could clone just the BC partition and restore it, as
 OSX does some majik to make it work.
  How's about a totally clean install and then running a copy of Virtual
 Box for your Windoze environment?
 
 
  I'd back up the windows activation key and then do a clean install.
 
  Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Spam from trainpain2...@yahoo.com

2012-02-21 Thread Rick Knoble
On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Hey Manfred, have you been infected or just spoofed?



Looking at the To line, his account appears to have been hacked. Some dirt 
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a java script bug. 
That is the second one from him, I think. It was Glenn before. 
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread Curt Raymond
Which is why when one glowplug fails I replace them all...

Marshall hated that.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:10:37 -0500
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question
Message-ID: CCF9ADDE0EF3474E8551567BBCC054E6@wiltonPC
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
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Another law of nature:  Stuff always happens at the most inopportune time.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread Fmiser
 Curt Raymond wrote:

 Which is why when one glowplug fails I replace them all...
 
 Marshall hated that.

About 2 weeks ago I had one glowplug fail.  So I pulled a used
spare I had and installed it.  A week later, 120 miles from
home on a cold evening, the other 4 plugs failed.  Yup - I'm
with Curt on this one.  I have new plugs on the list to order
from Q, but hadn't placed the order yet 'cause I wanted to
figure out where the coolant is leaking to determine if I need a
new water pump, so replacing one plug was to be a temporary
situation.

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread E M
Seems a logical course of action to me.  I do the same with bulbs.  If one
goes, I change both sides.  If your hands are already dirty, might as well
do the job right.  ;-)

Ed
300E

On 21 February 2012 13:55, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Which is why when one glowplug fails I replace them all...

 Marshall hated that.

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:10:37 -0500
 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question
 Message-ID: CCF9ADDE0EF3474E8551567BBCC054E6@wiltonPC
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
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 Another law of nature:  Stuff always happens at the most inopportune
 time.

 Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Me too. One headlamp goes out, they both get replaced.

Cheap insurance.

Dan

On Feb 21, 2012, at 4:17 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Seems a logical course of action to me.  I do the same with bulbs.  If one
 goes, I change both sides.  If your hands are already dirty, might as well
 do the job right.  ;-)
 
 Ed
 300E
 
 On 21 February 2012 13:55, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Which is why when one glowplug fails I replace them all...
 
 Marshall hated that.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:10:37 -0500
 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question
 Message-ID: CCF9ADDE0EF3474E8551567BBCC054E6@wiltonPC
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
   reply-type=original
 
 Another law of nature:  Stuff always happens at the most inopportune
 time.
 
 Wilton
 
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Re: [MBZ] Spam from trainpain2...@yahoo.com

2012-02-21 Thread glenn brown

Although I haven't received spam from this bozo yet, I occasionally get spam 
which I've attributed to the bozos out there who mine different lists and, 
since I'm only subscribed to this list, I have to assume this is where they've 
obtained my Email address.  Odd thing, they all seem to be coming from 
@yahoo.com but one can only block individual accounts.
 
G. M. Brown
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread G Mann
Failure is by definition, when a part has reached the end of it's useful
life, not when it breaks and falls off or explodes.

Rubber parts, plastic parts, hoses, belts, brake fluid and tires all have a
time life. The issue is always how to recognize what the time life is for
the specific component... it may look good but it is officially broken
due to time, cycles, or some other type of measure.

Grant...


On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 You and I are of one mind on this, Marshall and my Indy are of the other
 where you replace only the parts which have failed when they fail.

 I figure the hoses are all about the same age...

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:37:38 -0500
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

 I'd find out exactly what has the hole in it, and get a quote from Rusty
 for a new part/s.  Doesn't sound like changing an air hose would be a big
 deal.  If you have to reset the mixture and stuff, that's something others
 on the list would have to offer pointers on.

 If it's a car she loves, and sounds like it is, she should maybe think
 about changing several of the other hoses if they are original.  Sometimes
 it's best just to change all those things at once.  I did a lot of the
 rubber hoses at once on the 300E, and Rusty charged me about the same for 6
 hoses, or less, than the dealer wanted for one.  Cheap insurance, and being
 an '85, there are probably lots of rubber and plastic bits that are now
 quite fragile.  And, if you have to remove old brittle parts to get to the
 part you need, you run the risk of damaging them.  Might just as well
 reassemble with new fresh parts that you, and she can trust.

 All it takes is a small leak in an old dry coolant hose to leave you
 stranded.  Ask me how I know.  hee hee.

 Ed
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[MBZ] Nother 107

2012-02-21 Thread clay monroe
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/2859781555.html

Mexican dealer lot.  This thing is a turd.  Rusted up on all panels, leaks in 
the trunk and cabin, engine was steam cleaned, but connections are missing and 
rust on what should be painted parts.  Took the little boy with me, since he 
was out of school.  He was helpful, but we both figure the thing is worth $1500


clay 

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Re: [MBZ] Nother 107

2012-02-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Bad enough it's already been deleted from CL.

Dan

On Feb 21, 2012, at 6:50 PM, clay monroe wrote:

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/2859781555.html
 
 Mexican dealer lot.  This thing is a turd.  Rusted up on all panels, leaks in 
 the trunk and cabin, engine was steam cleaned, but connections are missing 
 and rust on what should be painted parts.  Took the little boy with me, since 
 he was out of school.  He was helpful, but we both figure the thing is worth 
 $1500
 
 
 clay 
 
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 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Nother 107

2012-02-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Dan Penoff wrote:

Bad enough it's already been deleted from CL.


Deleted by author, does that mean he sold it?

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread Dieselhead

What do I have to do to get you to send me the old GPs?



Which is why when one glowplug fails I replace them all...

Marshall hated that.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s

2012-02-21 Thread Mountain Man
Grant wrote:
 Large expensive car companies went out of business about year 4
 of the great depression , we are coming on to year 5 of the new greater
 depression so dumping the luxury car is on schedule.

 Another 4 years of Chains we can bleed in anyone?

The brainwashers are out indoctrinating us that Detroit bailout has
saved a national treasure - GM making highest earnings ever.  I'm
waiting for the elephant in the room to be seen.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Dang this looks nice

2012-02-21 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Have you checked out parts prices for these recently?  Motor mounts,
suspension stuff, etc... all really expensive now.  For genuine, of
course... the chinese stuff is still dirt cheap.

Jaime


On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 A little too expensive

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yep, I'd jump on that!
 
  Jaime
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:
 
 
  http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/2862027151.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] Spam from trainpain2...@yahoo.com

2012-02-21 Thread Rolf

Headers show it came from yahoo servers with DKIM. Hacked account.

Interestingly enough my nieces yahoo was compromised as well within the 
last week. Makes me wonder if they have bigger issues with authentication.


-Rolf

On 2/21/2012 1:53 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net  wrote:


Hey Manfred, have you been infected or just spoofed?



Looking at the To line, his account appears to have been hacked. Some dirt 
bag guessed his password or he clicked on a bad link in web based mail and got a java 
script bug.
That is the second one from him, I think. It was Glenn before.
Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Nother 107

2012-02-21 Thread Rolf

For a reasonable price you can get some quality down here

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2863345166.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2851745222.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2788719362.html
http://bham.craigslist.org/ctd/2858264965.html

On 2/21/2012 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Dan Penoff wrote:

Bad enough it's already been deleted from CL.


Deleted by author, does that mean he sold it?

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Re: [MBZ] Nother 107

2012-02-21 Thread clay monroe
Not sold.  I was there four hours ago.  The mexican on the lot was thinking it 
had been on CL for three weeks. I have been eyeing this since November, but do 
not want an SLC.  Boy and I were pointing out the rust all over and told him it 
was only worth $1500.  I had seen the car three years ago when the car lived a 
half mile away and had been stored in a garage for five years. Was a bit less 
rusty back then.


clay 

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1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
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 Dan Penoff wrote:
 Bad enough it's already been deleted from CL.
 
 Deleted by author, does that mean he sold it?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Nother 107

2012-02-21 Thread clay monroe
Ok

Who wants to drive one out to Seattle?

clay

On Feb 21, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Rolf wrote:

 For a reasonable price you can get some quality down here
 
 http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2863345166.html
 http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2851745222.html
 http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2788719362.html
 http://bham.craigslist.org/ctd/2858264965.html
 
 On 2/21/2012 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
 Dan Penoff wrote:
 Bad enough it's already been deleted from CL.
 
 Deleted by author, does that mean he sold it?
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread Curt Raymond
Marshall had lots of cars and I don't think he did his own work, or if he did 
he must have had a nice warm garage.

The one time I failed to replace all 4 I ended up doing it at 0F, outside, at 
night, with my wife holding a flashlight. NOT a mistake I'll want to do again.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:02:31 -0600
From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question
Message-ID: 20120221140231.e436bc95.fmi...@gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

 Curt Raymond wrote:

 Which is why when one glowplug fails I replace them all...
 
 Marshall hated that.

About 2 weeks ago I had one glowplug fail.  So I pulled a used
spare I had and installed it.  A week later, 120 miles from
home on a cold evening, the other 4 plugs failed.  Yup - I'm
with Curt on this one.  I have new plugs on the list to order
from Q, but hadn't placed the order yet 'cause I wanted to
figure out where the coolant is leaking to determine if I need a
new water pump, so replacing one plug was to be a temporary
situation.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Nother 107

2012-02-21 Thread Mitch Haley

clay monroe wrote:

Ok

Who wants to drive one out to Seattle?


You?

SEA   8:00am ATL  5:14pm1 Stop  Layover:
Milwaukee (MKE)
0h 32m
$219
per person
includes taxes  fees


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Re: [MBZ] Nother 107

2012-02-21 Thread Rolf
$1K to ship.
-- 
please excuse the delay in response, I had to wait for the tape to rewind on my 
commodore 64.

clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

Ok

Who wants to drive one out to Seattle?

clay

On Feb 21, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Rolf wrote:

 For a reasonable price you can get some quality down here
 
 http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2863345166.html
 http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2851745222.html
 http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2788719362.html
 http://bham.craigslist.org/ctd/2858264965.html
 
 On 2/21/2012 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
 Dan Penoff wrote:
 Bad enough it's already been deleted from CL.
 
 Deleted by author, does that mean he sold it?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Dang this looks nice

2012-02-21 Thread OK Don
A - I doubt that he gets that much for it, and B - the heater fan is not
likely to function.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 A little too expensive

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  Yep, I'd jump on that!
 
  Jaime
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
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  http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/2862027151.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread Dieselhead

That does not get you any brownie points for sure.



Marshall had lots of cars and I don't think he did his own work, or 
if he did he must have had a nice warm garage.


The one time I failed to replace all 4 I ended up doing it at 0F, 
outside, at night, with my wife holding a flashlight. NOT a mistake 
I'll want to do again.


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question

2012-02-21 Thread OK Don
I had to fix the M117 in tghe '78 450SLC when it refused to start. I found
so many hard, cracked, loose rubber parts in the intake/fuel system that I
was surprised it ran as long as it did. Replacing ALL the rubber in the
fuel/intake system was not a trivial job, and one peice of three ended
molded rubber was well over $100 from the stealer.I'd assume that all the
rubber bits need to be replaced for the engine to run properly, and that
you will cause leaks if not destroy parts on disassembly.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Marshall had lots of cars and I don't think he did his own work, or if he
 did he must have had a nice warm garage.

 The one time I failed to replace all 4 I ended up doing it at 0F, outside,
 at night, with my wife holding a flashlight. NOT a mistake I'll want to do
 again.

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:02:31 -0600
 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 190E 2.3 question
 Message-ID: 20120221140231.e436bc95.fmi...@gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

  Curt Raymond wrote:

  Which is why when one glowplug fails I replace them all...
 
  Marshall hated that.

 About 2 weeks ago I had one glowplug fail.  So I pulled a used
 spare I had and installed it.  A week later, 120 miles from
 home on a cold evening, the other 4 plugs failed.  Yup - I'm
 with Curt on this one.  I have new plugs on the list to order
 from Q, but hadn't placed the order yet 'cause I wanted to
 figure out where the coolant is leaking to determine if I need a
 new water pump, so replacing one plug was to be a temporary
 situation.

 --   Philip

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[MBZ] Sealed transmissions?

2012-02-21 Thread Mitch Haley

I think I'm probably buying a 1999 E320 tomorrow.

The seller says his mechanic just told him it needs a transmission service for 
$275, which sounds like a filter and fluid change. Seller thinks it's not a good 
idea to head out on a 1000 mile road trip with it as is.


What years were afflicted with the sealed transmission, no dipstick, and no 
recommended service interval?


Even if the filter is somewhat plugged or the fluid is bad, is there anything 
about a 15 hour freeway drive that would cause damage, or if it's running OK 
when I start out it should still be OK when I get home?


I'd rather deal with the fluid and filter when I get home, especially if the 
mechanic in question might be hooking it up to a flushing machine right before I 
leave if I have the seller get it serviced.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Low Oil Pressure

2012-02-21 Thread Jim Cathey

410 pass is closed, you will have to do 12 or 90.


Even 90 was closed this morning, we had to go 'round by 12.  Urk.
Shoulda just waited, but there were no guarantees.


No hard top, so no defog issue.


Aurora had lotsa hard tops when I was last there.  Didn't
want any more!  I've even got an extra one, I bought it
for the glass.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Sealed transmissions?

2012-02-21 Thread Dave Walton
My 99E300 has no dipstick or torque converter drain plug. 

I change the transmission fluid whenever I do an oil change. 

Many shops will charge you for a flush and just do a fluid change. 

-Dave Walton

On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 I think I'm probably buying a 1999 E320 tomorrow.
 
 The seller says his mechanic just told him it needs a transmission service 
 for $275, which sounds like a filter and fluid change. Seller thinks it's not 
 a good idea to head out on a 1000 mile road trip with it as is.
 
 What years were afflicted with the sealed transmission, no dipstick, and no 
 recommended service interval?
 
 Even if the filter is somewhat plugged or the fluid is bad, is there anything 
 about a 15 hour freeway drive that would cause damage, or if it's running OK 
 when I start out it should still be OK when I get home?
 
 I'd rather deal with the fluid and filter when I get home, especially if the 
 mechanic in question might be hooking it up to a flushing machine right 
 before I leave if I have the seller get it serviced.
 
 Mitch.
 
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[MBZ] Monovalve

2012-02-21 Thread Jim Cathey

On our road trip Friday the car started cooling off on the
freeway, but warmed just fine when we got off.

Yes, it is the monovalve insert.  It has a clearly-visible
tear in it.  Would have been nice to have determined this
a few days _before_ a long trip!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Sealed transmissions?

2012-02-21 Thread Dave Walton
I forgot to mention - toss some small neodymium magnets in the pan when you 
change the filter. I also put a few along the intake on the filter. Next time 
you pull the pan they will be covered with black goo. Wipe them clean and put 
them back in place. 

When I get a car with a neglected transmission that has a drain plug on the 
torque converter, I will go through a couple fluid changes using Walmart cheap 
transmission fluid until it comes out clean. Then I do a fill with M-1 ATF. 

-Dave Walton

On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 I think I'm probably buying a 1999 E320 tomorrow.
 
 The seller says his mechanic just told him it needs a transmission service 
 for $275, which sounds like a filter and fluid change. Seller thinks it's not 
 a good idea to head out on a 1000 mile road trip with it as is.
 
 What years were afflicted with the sealed transmission, no dipstick, and no 
 recommended service interval?
 
 Even if the filter is somewhat plugged or the fluid is bad, is there anything 
 about a 15 hour freeway drive that would cause damage, or if it's running OK 
 when I start out it should still be OK when I get home?
 
 I'd rather deal with the fluid and filter when I get home, especially if the 
 mechanic in question might be hooking it up to a flushing machine right 
 before I leave if I have the seller get it serviced.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Sealed transmissions?

2012-02-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Dave Walton wrote:
My 99E300 has no dipstick or torque converter drain plug. 

I change the transmission fluid whenever I do an oil change. 


You do a lot of ATF changes, or not many oil changes?

What do you use, the 722.6 stuff, the 722.9 stuff, or ATF+4?

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Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s

2012-02-21 Thread Fred Moir

Mao, et al.
The only time the elephant is noticed is right before it lifts its' tail.
Incoming!

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 2/21/2012 8:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

Grant wrote:
   

Large expensive car companies went out of business about year 4
of the great depression , we are coming on to year 5 of the new greater
depression so dumping the luxury car is on schedule.

Another 4 years of Chains we can bleed in anyone?
 

The brainwashers are out indoctrinating us that Detroit bailout has
saved a national treasure - GM making highest earnings ever.  I'm
waiting for the elephant in the room to be seen.
mao
   


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Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s

2012-02-21 Thread Rich Thomas

GM does not have to pay any taxes for 10 years.  That sorta helps.

--R

On 2/21/12 8:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

Grant wrote:

Large expensive car companies went out of business about year 4
of the great depression , we are coming on to year 5 of the new greater
depression so dumping the luxury car is on schedule.

Another 4 years of Chains we can bleed in anyone?

The brainwashers are out indoctrinating us that Detroit bailout has
saved a national treasure - GM making highest earnings ever.  I'm
waiting for the elephant in the room to be seen.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Sealed transmissions?

2012-02-21 Thread Thomas Savage

On 2/21/2012 9:07 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

I think I'm probably buying a 1999 E320 tomorrow.

The seller says his mechanic just told him it needs a transmission
service for $275, which sounds like a filter and fluid change. Seller
thinks it's not a good idea to head out on a 1000 mile road trip with it
as is.

What years were afflicted with the sealed transmission, no dipstick, and
no recommended service interval?

Even if the filter is somewhat plugged or the fluid is bad, is there
anything about a 15 hour freeway drive that would cause damage, or if
it's running OK when I start out it should still be OK when I get home?

I'd rather deal with the fluid and filter when I get home, especially if
the mechanic in question might be hooking it up to a flushing machine
right before I leave if I have the seller get it serviced.


If the trans won't survive a 1000 mile drive without changing the fluid, 
a fluid change won't help - it needs a new transmission.  If the trans 
is healthy now, it should be healthy in 1000 miles.


From what I gather, there was a rolling phase out of the torque 
convertor drain plug.  You might get lucky.  You'll also need a locking 
pin for the dipstick tube cap and a $$$ dipstick.  (I can lend you mine 
if you like).


$275 sounds cheap for a proper trans service.  OE ATF 134 lists for like 
$25 a liter (x8), plus filter and labor.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s

2012-02-21 Thread G Mann
Elephant:  A mouse built under government contract with government
supervision using only government approved parts build by plants from each
congressional district.

Grant...

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Grant wrote:
  Large expensive car companies went out of business about year 4
  of the great depression , we are coming on to year 5 of the new
 greater
  depression so dumping the luxury car is on schedule.
 
  Another 4 years of Chains we can bleed in anyone?

 The brainwashers are out indoctrinating us that Detroit bailout has
 saved a national treasure - GM making highest earnings ever.  I'm
 waiting for the elephant in the room to be seen.
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] Nother 107

2012-02-21 Thread clay monroe
I am on small animal watch until the summer, when I can foist him off on boy 
scouts and mission trips.  I could drive I-10 all the way to LA and head north 
on I-5, but the California passes are a bit rough this time of year.

Alaska flies non-stop to MIA or whorelando, One poke in the privates is all I 
am willing to submit to in a given year.

clay

On Feb 21, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

 clay monroe wrote:
 Ok
 Who wants to drive one out to Seattle?
 
 You?
 
 SEA   8:00am   ATL  5:14pm1 Stop  Layover:
 Milwaukee (MKE)
 0h 32m
 $219
 per person
 includes taxes  fees
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s

2012-02-21 Thread Dieselhead





Mao, et al.
The only time the elephant is noticed is right before it lifts its' tail.
Incoming!

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


 The brainwashers are out indoctrinating us that Detroit bailout has
saved a national treasure - GM making highest earnings ever.  I'm
waiting for the elephant in the room to be seen.
mao



Not many people left in this country notice, even when the elephant, 
or in this case, jackass, lifts its tail.  They just get covered in 
the excrement, and don't even notice.


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Re: [MBZ] Low Oil Pressure

2012-02-21 Thread clay monroe
Aurora is a joy to shop.  Guess I could drop a bundle there for a top, but I am 
cheep, and not likely to part with cash when shoo-goo will do the job.  Maybe I 
invest in a 3-D printer and make one on myself.

clay

On Feb 21, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 410 pass is closed, you will have to do 12 or 90.
 
 Even 90 was closed this morning, we had to go 'round by 12.  Urk.
 Shoulda just waited, but there were no guarantees.
 
 No hard top, so no defog issue.
 
 Aurora had lotsa hard tops when I was last there.  Didn't
 want any more!  I've even got an extra one, I bought it
 for the glass.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Sealed transmissions?

2012-02-21 Thread clay monroe
Dave,

Would those be quick changes, or extended run before fluid renewal?

clay



On Feb 21, 2012, at 7:22 PM, Dave Walton wrote:

 I forgot to mention - toss some small neodymium magnets in the pan when you 
 change the filter. I also put a few along the intake on the filter. Next time 
 you pull the pan they will be covered with black goo. Wipe them clean and put 
 them back in place. 
 
 When I get a car with a neglected transmission that has a drain plug on the 
 torque converter, I will go through a couple fluid changes using Walmart 
 cheap transmission fluid until it comes out clean. Then I do a fill with M-1 
 ATF. 
 
 -Dave Walton
 
 On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 
 I think I'm probably buying a 1999 E320 tomorrow.
 
 The seller says his mechanic just told him it needs a transmission service 
 for $275, which sounds like a filter and fluid change. Seller thinks it's 
 not a good idea to head out on a 1000 mile road trip with it as is.
 
 What years were afflicted with the sealed transmission, no dipstick, and no 
 recommended service interval?
 
 Even if the filter is somewhat plugged or the fluid is bad, is there 
 anything about a 15 hour freeway drive that would cause damage, or if it's 
 running OK when I start out it should still be OK when I get home?
 
 I'd rather deal with the fluid and filter when I get home, especially if the 
 mechanic in question might be hooking it up to a flushing machine right 
 before I leave if I have the seller get it serviced.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Sealed transmissions?

2012-02-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Thomas Savage wrote:
If the trans won't survive a 1000 mile drive without changing the fluid, 
a fluid change won't help - it needs a new transmission.  If the trans 
is healthy now, it should be healthy in 1000 miles.


That's about what I figured. Mechanic may have just been saying 'it's due for a 
service'. I'll ask the seller for the mechanic's phone number before I paypal 
the deposit, just to be sure.


 From what I gather, there was a rolling phase out of the torque 
convertor drain plug.  You might get lucky.  You'll also need a locking 
pin for the dipstick tube cap and a $$$ dipstick.  (I can lend you mine 
if you like).


It has a regular fill tube, that you can just fill from above with a funnel, 
right?
And you get the $2 clip to seal it back up when you're done?

Can you measure your special tool for me?
I'll make my own with a chunk of stainless cable.




$275 sounds cheap for a proper trans service.  OE ATF 134 lists for like 
$25 a liter (x8), plus filter and labor.


Looks like Bimby gets $14 a liter online pricing. Probably less on the phone.

I'm tempted to get a couple of clips and head out to the airport.
Pick up a couple of gallons of DEX III, line wrenches a funnel and some hose 
when I get there, pump the old stuff through the cooling line, pour in the new 
stuff, drive it 1000 miles and then put a filter and Febi stuff in it when I get 
home.


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Re: [MBZ] Sealed transmissions?

2012-02-21 Thread Dieselhead
Don't have experience with sealed AT, but I think Tom's analysis is 
right.  Drive it home, gather up what you need, then change it there.




On 2/21/2012 9:07 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

I think I'm probably buying a 1999 E320 tomorrow.

The seller says his mechanic just told him it needs a transmission
service for $275, which sounds like a filter and fluid change. Seller
thinks it's not a good idea to head out on a 1000 mile road trip with it
as is.

What years were afflicted with the sealed transmission, no dipstick, and
no recommended service interval?

Even if the filter is somewhat plugged or the fluid is bad, is there
anything about a 15 hour freeway drive that would cause damage, or if
it's running OK when I start out it should still be OK when I get home?

I'd rather deal with the fluid and filter when I get home, especially if
the mechanic in question might be hooking it up to a flushing machine
right before I leave if I have the seller get it serviced.


If the trans won't survive a 1000 mile drive without changing the 
fluid, a fluid change won't help - it needs a new transmission.  If 
the trans is healthy now, it should be healthy in 1000 miles.


From what I gather, there was a rolling phase out of the torque 
convertor drain plug.  You might get lucky.  You'll also need a 
locking pin for the dipstick tube cap and a $$$ dipstick.  (I can 
lend you mine if you like).


$275 sounds cheap for a proper trans service.  OE ATF 134 lists for 
like $25 a liter (x8), plus filter and labor.


Tom


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Re: [MBZ] dipstick shop tool

2012-02-21 Thread RELNGSON
 Can you measure your special tool for me? I'll make my own with a 
 chunk of stainless cable...
 
Won't work. I have one (120 589 06 21 00) and it's called Test Dipstick, 
Oil Level, Engines 103.943 /984 /985 , 104 , 111 , 119 , 120 , 137 , 603.913 
/963 /97 , 604 ,   605 , 606,   611 , 612 , 613 , 628.

It's about 33 inches long with two groups of number graduations, upper and 
lower ends. Using it in my 2001 C320's 3.2 V-6, about 1/3 of it stuck out 
the top of the tube when it was bottomed out. To use it you must have the data 
page for your specific engine. After measuring the level, you compare it to 
the printed table on the page for the oil quantity.

If you have friends at a dealer, the tech's laptop can print it out and 
that's how I got the data sheet for mine.

Google that part number for further info.

RLE
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[MBZ] The German/a video

2012-02-21 Thread RELNGSON
http://player.vimeo.com/video/31202906?autoplay=1

RLE
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