Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-14 Thread Max Dillon
Go to hardware store, buy 240v male and female plugs, cut off European plugs 
and replace, -OR- cut off European plugs and hard wire appliance to transformer.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

Philip wrote:
 But - if it _is_ ground, much better than cutting it off would
 be to tie it to the ground of the outlet that the transformer is
 getting it's power from.

Both Swiss  Italy outlet  plug are 3-prong but different geometry.
Swiss center pin is offset from the outside pins whereas Italy plug is
3-prongs in line so geometry requires removal of center pin to fit in
to swiss outlet, and wire to center pin at outlet if that type of tie
is needed.
I should think that since it is a ground pin, not unlike 110v ground
pin which we oftentimes use adapter to delete, pin removal shouldn't
hurt liklihood of smoke escape?
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation

2012-11-14 Thread Max Dillon
Awesome.  May be before you moved here, but a group of folks was able to stop 
the Port from expanding on Daniel Island.  Maybe you should look up some of 
those folk, learn their methods.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

Went to the City Council meeting this evening to agitate regarding the 
roads business going on here.  Got interviewed by a comely young Ch 2 
newsbabe (who is from Houston) to be on TV this evening.  It might have

made the 5PM show, will probably be on at 11 too so will have to watch 
her shortly.  I was first to address City Council this evening during 
Public Participation time, got the crowd cheering, which caused
hizzoner 
to nearly have apoplexy and read the riot act to the assembled
multitude.

Also got a call to be on some local agitation cable show tomorrow,
going 
mano y mano with a County Councilman who do love to hear hissef talk. 
I 
think it will likely be an unfair contest but I will try not to make
him 
look too bad.

I love America!

--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation

2012-11-14 Thread Max Dillon
How many votes to replace a county councilman?  That is the key metric.  
Threaten their job, they will pay attention.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

We turned out over 50 people on a rainy evening, about 40 of us spoke 
against it.  Our FB page has over 4200 likes -- theirs has 1000.

--R

On 11/13/12 10:48 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
 Post the interviews and speechifying on youtube to fire up your base.
  :)

 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 Went to the City Council meeting this evening to agitate regarding
the roads
 business going on here.  Got interviewed by a comely young Ch 2
newsbabe
 (who is from Houston) to be on TV this evening.  It might have made
the 5PM
 show, will probably be on at 11 too so will have to watch her
shortly.  I
 was first to address City Council this evening during Public
Participation
 time, got the crowd cheering, which caused hizzoner to nearly have
apoplexy
 and read the riot act to the assembled multitude.

 Also got a call to be on some local agitation cable show tomorrow,
going
 mano y mano with a County Councilman who do love to hear hissef
talk.  I
 think it will likely be an unfair contest but I will try not to make
him
 look too bad.

 I love America!

 --R


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Re: [MBZ] Injection Pump Timing by millivolt method

2012-11-14 Thread Max Dillon
Factory.  Last year of the 124 line got the next generation engine, which was 
used until 1999 or so.  Non-turbo in my car, was turbo variant in later years.
-- 
Max Dillon
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'87 300TD

Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

On Nov 13, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
wrote:

 Car is a 124 sedan with OM606 engine


Huh? 602? 603? Engine swap?

Rick
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-14 Thread WILTON

Yep.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators


Go to hardware store, buy 240v male and female plugs, cut off European 
plugs and replace, -OR- cut off European plugs and hard wire appliance to 
transformer.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:


Philip wrote:

But - if it _is_ ground, much better than cutting it off would
be to tie it to the ground of the outlet that the transformer is
getting it's power from.


Both Swiss  Italy outlet  plug are 3-prong but different geometry.
Swiss center pin is offset from the outside pins whereas Italy plug is
3-prongs in line so geometry requires removal of center pin to fit in
to swiss outlet, and wire to center pin at outlet if that type of tie
is needed.
I should think that since it is a ground pin, not unlike 110v ground
pin which we oftentimes use adapter to delete, pin removal shouldn't
hurt liklihood of smoke escape?
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation

2012-11-14 Thread WILTON
ATTABOY, Rich!  'Sounds like best show in town.  'May wanta call in national 
TV.;)


Wilton

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From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation


Went to the City Council meeting this evening to agitate regarding the 
roads business going on here.  Got interviewed by a comely young Ch 2 
newsbabe (who is from Houston) to be on TV this evening.  It might have 
made the 5PM show, will probably be on at 11 too so will have to watch 
her shortly.  I was first to address City Council this evening during 
Public Participation time, got the crowd cheering, which caused hizzoner 
to nearly have apoplexy and read the riot act to the assembled multitude.


Also got a call to be on some local agitation cable show tomorrow, going 
mano y mano with a County Councilman who do love to hear hissef talk.  I 
think it will likely be an unfair contest but I will try not to make him 
look too bad.


I love America!

--R


Go Rich!

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Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-14 Thread Craig
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:45:44 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
wrote:

 Go to hardware store, buy 240v male and female plugs, cut off European
 plugs and replace, -OR- cut off European plugs and hard wire appliance
 to transformer.

And use a GFCI receptacle! Code nowadays says all kitchen receptacles
must be GFCI protected. We solved the problem in our recent kitchen
remodel by using GFCI breakers.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-14 Thread WILTON

'Zackly.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators



On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:45:44 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
wrote:


Go to hardware store, buy 240v male and female plugs, cut off European
plugs and replace, -OR- cut off European plugs and hard wire appliance
to transformer.


And use a GFCI receptacle! Code nowadays says all kitchen receptacles
must be GFCI protected. We solved the problem in our recent kitchen
remodel by using GFCI breakers.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20 states

2012-11-14 Thread andrew strasfogel
We need to lose the stated topic ASAP lest we veer off into non-diesel
irrelevance

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:09 AM, TE ban...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 LOL, you did read C140 right? That's the nicest thing I own.

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
 Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:34 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: White House deluged with secession petitions from 20
 states

 Was that you driving the Bentley CGT a coupla years ago that passed me on
 River Rd going 80 or so?  Who I caught up with on the Connector later a
 little while later, and passed?  And who I saw at the Verizon store a week
 or so later and gave a talking-to to?  And who shortly thereafter clipped a
 mailbox on Kiawah leaving a Bentley mirror in the road?

 --R

 On 11/13/12 12:50 PM, TE wrote:
 Not to mention, flying down
 River Rd at 80mph in the C140 will be impossible.




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Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation

2012-11-14 Thread Dan Penoff
Best show in town?

We have that going with the honorary consul and David Petreaus down here.

You couldn't write a story like this. It's simply classic

Dan

On Nov 14, 2012, at 10:07 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 ATTABOY, Rich!  'Sounds like best show in town.  'May wanta call in national 
 TV.;)
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation
 
 
 Went to the City Council meeting this evening to agitate regarding the 
 roads business going on here.  Got interviewed by a comely young Ch 2 
 newsbabe (who is from Houston) to be on TV this evening.  It might have 
 made the 5PM show, will probably be on at 11 too so will have to watch 
 her shortly.  I was first to address City Council this evening during 
 Public Participation time, got the crowd cheering, which caused hizzoner 
 to nearly have apoplexy and read the riot act to the assembled multitude.
 
 Also got a call to be on some local agitation cable show tomorrow, going 
 mano y mano with a County Councilman who do love to hear hissef talk.  I 
 think it will likely be an unfair contest but I will try not to make him 
 look too bad.
 
 I love America!
 
 --R
 
 Go Rich!
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation

2012-11-14 Thread WILTON
Yeah, isn't that a hoot?  Trying to claim diplomatic immunity?  What a bunch 
of bullcrap!


Wilton

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From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation



Best show in town?

We have that going with the honorary consul and David Petreaus down 
here.


You couldn't write a story like this. It's simply classic

Dan

On Nov 14, 2012, at 10:07 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

ATTABOY, Rich!  'Sounds like best show in town.  'May wanta call in 
national TV.;)


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation


Went to the City Council meeting this evening to agitate regarding the 
 roads business going on here.  Got interviewed by a comely young Ch 2 
 newsbabe (who is from Houston) to be on TV this evening.  It might 
have made the 5PM show, will probably be on at 11 too so will have to 
watch her shortly.  I was first to address City Council this evening 
during Public Participation time, got the crowd cheering, which caused 
hizzoner to nearly have apoplexy and read the riot act to the 
assembled multitude.


Also got a call to be on some local agitation cable show tomorrow, 
going mano y mano with a County Councilman who do love to hear hissef 
talk.  I think it will likely be an unfair contest but I will try not 
to make him look too bad.


I love America!

--R


Go Rich!

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Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-14 Thread Craig
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:52:28 -0500 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I just put about 20 GFCI and AFCI breakers in my new panel, them thangs 
 are pricey!

Indeed, a lot more than normal breakers.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Local Agitation

2012-11-14 Thread Rich Thomas
So this morning I went on the local cable show, my counterpart was a 
City Councilman who is apparently anointed to be the next mayor after 
the current emperor (a 40-yr man).  The guy who does the show asked him 
questions like, Tell us how great shrimp and grits are in the gorgeous 
city of Charleston that needs this road right damn now! Questions for 
me were like when are all you people going to stop kicking puppies, 
cute little fuzzy puppies that only want your love, and get out of the 
way of progress?


It will be on the comscat cable (which I don't have) on Sat, it will be 
this guy's last actual show as comscat is shutting down the local access 
programming and going all-infomercial.  Saving a $ donchaknow.  The 
producer, who I gathered did not particularly like this guy (a hot-shot 
criminal defense lawyer in town), said I did a good job.  I could see 
him yelling at the lawyer while I was speaking, I think for treating me 
poorly with his questions.  After about the third one I finally caught 
on to his deal and pushed back a bit.  He is going to send me a DVD.


My Cith Hall interview was apparently on the 6PM news last night, my 
buddy said it was good.  I was not on the 11, boo, so did not get to see 
my amazing performance.


Oh, and they voted for the thing, it was a done deal, now we are on to 
the County again, and lawyers guns and money are lined up.


--R
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Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-14 Thread WILTON
You know, don't you, that a GFCI receptacle provides the same protection for 
itself and all other receptacles downstream from it on same circuit at 
fraction of cost of breaker in panel?


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators


I just put about 20 GFCI and AFCI breakers in my new panel, them thangs are 
pricey!


--R

On 11/14/12 10:38 AM, WILTON wrote:

'Zackly.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators


On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:45:44 -0500 Max Dillon 
meadedil...@bellsouth.net

wrote:


Go to hardware store, buy 240v male and female plugs, cut off European
plugs and replace, -OR- cut off European plugs and hard wire appliance
to transformer.


And use a GFCI receptacle! Code nowadays says all kitchen receptacles
must be GFCI protected. We solved the problem in our recent kitchen
remodel by using GFCI breakers.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-14 Thread Tim C
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have heard the wallymart straight talk is a good deal.  I just wonder
 about service coverage.


With Straight Talk you choose either ATT or T-Mobile as your base network.
 You can voice roam to the other, but it is not technically supported - in
other words they might turn that off.  There is no data roaming, from what
I understand, though SWMBO is not a heavy data user.

You can buy normal phones on Straight Talk that are CDMA (i.e. no SIM, no
worky in Europey), I know nothing about those other than they are slightly
cheaper and run on Sprint, so I would not buy one*.

Big disadvantage of prepaid is the up-front cost of the phone, you are
basically buying a computer with a fancy radio and touchscreen at retail
price so it can be quite expensive.  Google's $300 Nexus 4 was a low price,
but average smartphones would be around $500, give or take, new, less
30-40% on Craigslist.  ALSO NOTE if your prepaid account goes inactive you
will lose your phone number.  Look at Google Voice to get a permanent
number to forward, but your caller ID will be wrong and it is another level
of indirection.


 He is mostly interested in unlimited text/data so he can use it for
 internet access/entertainment as well as a communication device for calls
 back home.  Limited calling minutes aren't much of an issue with Sprints
 450 minute plan as cel to cel and after 7pm to 7am are unlimited.  That is
 $69.99/month.  Everything else including roaming on other networks is also
 included.


T-Mobile's 100-minute, 5GB data plan ($30) is the best price if you don't
average more than 250 minutes per month ($0.10/min overage).  If you have
an Android phone (possibly also iPhone?) there are apps to use data for
calls, if that's an issue.  5GB is pretty much unlimited, in my experience,
and I think they just downgrade you to 3G rates if you go over.

Postpaid Sprint and T-Mobile offer unlimited data, VZ and ATT do not.  In
my experience the connection rates on Sprint have become very poor since
they got the iPhone - I often see rates in the 50-80Kbps range now.  That
could be regional.  T-Mobile offers HSPA+ rates up to 42Mbps which should
be a much better experience, but I think the initial cost for phones is
higher.


 Is roaming included in the prepaids?  Do they have the same coverage as
 contract phones?  I have been told that they don't and that in rural area
 they don't work as well.  Is there any truth to that?


Generally no, yes but of course without roaming, and sort of.  It isn't so
much rural as region - I get horrible Sprint service in DC and VA, for
example, but I get service fine in the empty forests around NC.  Meanwhile
a friend couldn't get Verizon at his new house south of Raleigh.  The
northern SC coast has strange T-Mobile coverage.  Moral of the story is
that there are pockets everywhere, so it is worth going to the places where
you will be and borrowing someone's phone - no one network has universal
coverage, especially indoors.  Also, not to be ignored, phone hardware is
really significant to receiving a signal - Samsung is the worst I've had,
Motorola is the best, but I don't know how if that holds true across
product lines.

* I have recently had to force roaming [to Verizon] at home just to get a
Sprint signal, I assume it's because of their LTE conversion since I used
to get good signal with this same phone in the same place.  Because of that
I would not buy a Sprint-based prepaid phone if I expected to keep it for a
while.

You can always dial '911' in the US from an inactive phone, so you can just
keep a charged battery and a phone from another network in the trunk if
that's a concern.

As you can see from Mitch's response, voice-only prepaid plans are priced
much more competitively, so your son might give some thought as to whether
he could survive without data.  I use Google Maps too much, but a lot of my
iPhone-toting peers are always in WiFi range and navigation doesn't matter
to them.

Best,
Tim
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[MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread WILTON
Whatcha think the odds are that we (US taxpayers) paid for at least some of 
Broadwell's trips to and stay in Afghanistan?   Army reservist - military 
aircraft, etc.  Knowing how the system can be worked, I'd put some money on 
it.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread Rich Thomas

ya think?

Looking at that woman's picture I can't help but think somehow I know 
her or have met her but cannot recall for certain.  Maybe I saw her on 
TV at some point or something and it lodged in my cabeza but I just 
cannot shake this feeling I know her somehow.


Meanwhile, these other babes look like that kardashian creature: 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2232634/Paula-Broadwell-photos-David-Petraeus-mistress-discovered-lying-low-DC.html?ICO=most_read_module


Ya gotta love the Brits, they do love them a good sexy-time scandal!

--R

On 11/14/12 3:59 PM, WILTON wrote:

Whatcha think the odds are that we (US taxpayers) paid for at least some of Broadwell's trips to 
and stay in Afghanistan?   Army reservist - military aircraft, etc.  Knowing how the 
system can be worked, I'd put some money on it.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT - dark day down under?

2012-11-14 Thread Hendrik Fay
Yeah well, have gone blind. Fay is reading out the emails and doing the 
typing.
Seriously though, down here we only got a very partial eclipse, had a 
bit of a look with the welding helmet but was not very exciting.


Hendrik
who is not much of a star gazer

On 14/11/12 14:54, OK Don wrote:

Hendrik - how was the eclipse viewing?





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Re: [MBZ] Trip Preparation includes buying a few dogs

2012-11-14 Thread Hendrik Fay

Yeah great hot dogs but you need at least three to feed a man.

Hendrik
who is now lusting after a genuine Chicago hot dog

On 14/11/12 20:44, Hendrik  Fay wrote:
The Aussies loved Gene  Jude's and would recommend the place to any 
visitor - domestic or international - who is visiting Chi Town.


Thanks for the experience Mao.





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Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-14 Thread Mitch Haley

Rich Thomas wrote:
I just put about 20 GFCI and AFCI breakers in my new panel, them thangs 
are pricey!


Ground faults are pricey, arc faults are wicked expensive.
I can't wait until they get automatic sprinkler systems in the residential 
building codes, that'll make costs go up even more.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-14 Thread Randy Bennell

On 14/11/2012 5:16 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:
I just put about 20 GFCI and AFCI breakers in my new panel, them 
thangs are pricey!


Ground faults are pricey, arc faults are wicked expensive.
I can't wait until they get automatic sprinkler systems in the 
residential building codes, that'll make costs go up even more.


Mitch.

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How about conduit? My recollection, is that when we visited with my 
wife's uncle and family in a suburb of Chicago in about 1974, he was 
quite proud of the fact that he had just installed AC in their home.
All of the wiring had to be in conduit. Talk about a benefit to the 
electrician's union. He had done it himself though.



I think that was on Indiana Street in  Park Forest south of Rte 30N.
We were on our way to visit her grand parents in Ashland Ohio. They are 
both gone now.

Long time ago - 38 years. Her uncle Jim has been dead for years now too.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread Peter Frederick
I'm far more concerned about a naturalized citizen with a long family  
history of erratic behavior and mountains of debt.


Human frailty is normal, but I smell a rat in Florida.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread Craig
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:01:25 -0600 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 I'm far more concerned about a naturalized citizen with a long family  
 history of erratic behavior and mountains of debt.
 
 Human frailty is normal, but I smell a rat in Florida.

Diversion to take attention off Benghazi?

Impeccable timing to win re-election and then throw him under the bus?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread Peter Frederick
No, just an ordinary rat.  Or should I say rabid social climber with  
minimal or no moral sense.


Not to say that screwing the subject of a biography is exactly less  
than sleazy.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread Craig
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:15:21 -0600 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 No, just an ordinary rat.  Or should I say rabid social climber with  
 minimal or no moral sense.
 
 Not to say that screwing the subject of a biography is exactly less  
 than sleazy.

So you are referring to Broadwell herself. I thought you were referring
to someone else. I didn't know she was naturalized, nor that she had a
long family history of erratic behavior and mountains of debt.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-14 Thread Michael Canfield
Thanks everyone.  He ended.up with a Boost Mobile phone.  It is an Android
called a Kyocera Hydro.  Supposed to be waterproof and seemed sort of
sturdy.  Price is $55 per month for unlimited everything with data
throttling after 2gb or something.  He will set it up to be taken out of
his account every month and after 18 months of current payments the price
will be down to $40 per month.  The phone was $99 so worth it to give it a
try for a few months and see how it works.

Thanks again, Mike
On Nov 14, 2012 2:30 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I have heard the wallymart straight talk is a good deal.  I just wonder
  about service coverage.
 

 With Straight Talk you choose either ATT or T-Mobile as your base network.
  You can voice roam to the other, but it is not technically supported - in
 other words they might turn that off.  There is no data roaming, from what
 I understand, though SWMBO is not a heavy data user.

 You can buy normal phones on Straight Talk that are CDMA (i.e. no SIM, no
 worky in Europey), I know nothing about those other than they are slightly
 cheaper and run on Sprint, so I would not buy one*.

 Big disadvantage of prepaid is the up-front cost of the phone, you are
 basically buying a computer with a fancy radio and touchscreen at retail
 price so it can be quite expensive.  Google's $300 Nexus 4 was a low price,
 but average smartphones would be around $500, give or take, new, less
 30-40% on Craigslist.  ALSO NOTE if your prepaid account goes inactive you
 will lose your phone number.  Look at Google Voice to get a permanent
 number to forward, but your caller ID will be wrong and it is another level
 of indirection.


  He is mostly interested in unlimited text/data so he can use it for
  internet access/entertainment as well as a communication device for calls
  back home.  Limited calling minutes aren't much of an issue with Sprints
  450 minute plan as cel to cel and after 7pm to 7am are unlimited.  That
 is
  $69.99/month.  Everything else including roaming on other networks is
 also
  included.
 

 T-Mobile's 100-minute, 5GB data plan ($30) is the best price if you don't
 average more than 250 minutes per month ($0.10/min overage).  If you have
 an Android phone (possibly also iPhone?) there are apps to use data for
 calls, if that's an issue.  5GB is pretty much unlimited, in my experience,
 and I think they just downgrade you to 3G rates if you go over.

 Postpaid Sprint and T-Mobile offer unlimited data, VZ and ATT do not.  In
 my experience the connection rates on Sprint have become very poor since
 they got the iPhone - I often see rates in the 50-80Kbps range now.  That
 could be regional.  T-Mobile offers HSPA+ rates up to 42Mbps which should
 be a much better experience, but I think the initial cost for phones is
 higher.


  Is roaming included in the prepaids?  Do they have the same coverage as
  contract phones?  I have been told that they don't and that in rural area
  they don't work as well.  Is there any truth to that?
 

 Generally no, yes but of course without roaming, and sort of.  It isn't so
 much rural as region - I get horrible Sprint service in DC and VA, for
 example, but I get service fine in the empty forests around NC.  Meanwhile
 a friend couldn't get Verizon at his new house south of Raleigh.  The
 northern SC coast has strange T-Mobile coverage.  Moral of the story is
 that there are pockets everywhere, so it is worth going to the places where
 you will be and borrowing someone's phone - no one network has universal
 coverage, especially indoors.  Also, not to be ignored, phone hardware is
 really significant to receiving a signal - Samsung is the worst I've had,
 Motorola is the best, but I don't know how if that holds true across
 product lines.

 * I have recently had to force roaming [to Verizon] at home just to get a
 Sprint signal, I assume it's because of their LTE conversion since I used
 to get good signal with this same phone in the same place.  Because of that
 I would not buy a Sprint-based prepaid phone if I expected to keep it for a
 while.

 You can always dial '911' in the US from an inactive phone, so you can just
 keep a charged battery and a phone from another network in the trunk if
 that's a concern.

 As you can see from Mitch's response, voice-only prepaid plans are priced
 much more competitively, so your son might give some thought as to whether
 he could survive without data.  I use Google Maps too much, but a lot of my
 iPhone-toting peers are always in WiFi range and navigation doesn't matter
 to them.

 Best,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread WILTON
Working the system reminds me:  In 1978 I was Base Civil Engineer at 
Sondrestrom, Greenland.  My biggest project for that summer was to remove 
ten 1942 GM Diesel generators in the base main power plant and replace them 
with nine, larger White (I think - can't remember for sure the make of the 
replacement units) Diesel units.  The replacement units had been brought out 
of Vietnam year before and had spent several years on a dock at  Port 
Hueneme, CA.  Brilliant plan when they were sent to Greenland in summer of 
'77 was to simply remove old gennies and replace them with the newer 
ones.  In early spring of '78, my Danish civilian contractor chief engineer 
came to me one day with SHOCKING news and photos of rampant, MAJOR RUST 
inside the new engines.  We suddenly had to initiate a project to 
COMPLETELY rebuild the nine new ones in house.  I had 4 master Diesel 
mechanics brought in from the States and 4 from Denmark (all civilians). 
Project was moving along fairly well, 'cept we kept finding more parts that 
we had to order.  It was absolutely imperative that I get a certain number 
of the new units on line by 1 Oct, higher number by 1 Nov, all by 1 Dec, 
etc., in order to make it through next winter.  Ordering and receiving parts 
via the usual, normal supply system was unacceptable.  I could not wait 6 to 
8 weeks for a certain part.  I needed it the day we learned that we needed 
it.  I called The General at HQ in Colorado Springs and told 'im that in 
order for me to get the necessary number of new generators installed and 
on line in time, I needed to be able to call a supplier/manufacturer in the 
States, have them deliver the part(s) to McGuire AFB, NJ, the next day so 
that an AF C-141 could bring them up to me on one of their 3/week trips 
northbound.  Another part of my request was to make available to me $100k in 
a slush fund to use at my discretion to accomplish the mission - order the 
necessary parts in a timely manner, etc.  He at first was shocked that I had 
the gall to ask for such, and that it was impossible, had never been done, 
etc.  I insisted, though, and asked for any other suggestions that he may 
have to get the needed parts in a timely manner and get the required units 
on line by the winter deadline.  He paused for a minute and said, I think 
you're right, but I wanta send Col Wha'sisname up to confirm the details.  I 
reminded 'im that a 141 was coming north from McGuire the next day, it would 
help if he were on it.  General assured me that he was gonna call Col 
Wha'sisname immediately and get 'im on the way.  ('Sorry to take so long 
getting to the point, but it's coming, it's coming.)


Next afternoon, Col Wha'sisname showed up; we met for an hour or so; I 
convinced 'im that I really did need what I asked for; and we quickly worked 
out the details; he called General from my office to tell 'im that my 
request was legit, and he jumped back on the 141 to continue his trip north 
to Thule.  'Turns out, (and I didn't learn it until several weeks later) Col 
Wha'sisname had suddenly found a way to work the system - 'shacked up with 
his Danish girlfriend for 2 or 3 days/nights at Thule.  I really didn't need 
the Col, 'cept to satisfy General's doubt.  If that's what it took, of 
course, that's OK, but Col Wha'sisname had no interest at all in my project 
or its deadline, he just wanted to get to Thule to shack-up with girlfriend.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell



ya think?

Looking at that woman's picture I can't help but think somehow I know her 
or have met her but cannot recall for certain.  Maybe I saw her on TV at 
some point or something and it lodged in my cabeza but I just cannot shake 
this feeling I know her somehow.


Meanwhile, these other babes look like that kardashian creature: 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2232634/Paula-Broadwell-photos-David-Petraeus-mistress-discovered-lying-low-DC.html?ICO=most_read_module


Ya gotta love the Brits, they do love them a good sexy-time scandal!

--R

On 11/14/12 3:59 PM, WILTON wrote:
Whatcha think the odds are that we (US taxpayers) paid for at least some 
of Broadwell's trips to and stay in Afghanistan?   Army reservist - 
military aircraft, etc.  Knowing how the system can be worked, I'd 
put some money on it.


Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-14 Thread WILTON
How does a Pvt. handle all of that on $78 per month - oh, I guess pay's gone 
up a little since my E-1 days.  ;)

(And rightly so, of course, after all, It's been only nearly 56 years.)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s



Thanks everyone.  He ended.up with a Boost Mobile phone.  It is an Android
called a Kyocera Hydro.  Supposed to be waterproof and seemed sort of
sturdy.  Price is $55 per month for unlimited everything with data
throttling after 2gb or something.  He will set it up to be taken out of
his account every month and after 18 months of current payments the price
will be down to $40 per month.  The phone was $99 so worth it to give it a
try for a few months and see how it works.

Thanks again, Mike
On Nov 14, 2012 2:30 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:


On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I have heard the wallymart straight talk is a good deal.  I just wonder
 about service coverage.


With Straight Talk you choose either ATT or T-Mobile as your base 
network.
 You can voice roam to the other, but it is not technically supported - 
in
other words they might turn that off.  There is no data roaming, from 
what

I understand, though SWMBO is not a heavy data user.

You can buy normal phones on Straight Talk that are CDMA (i.e. no SIM, 
no
worky in Europey), I know nothing about those other than they are 
slightly

cheaper and run on Sprint, so I would not buy one*.

Big disadvantage of prepaid is the up-front cost of the phone, you are
basically buying a computer with a fancy radio and touchscreen at retail
price so it can be quite expensive.  Google's $300 Nexus 4 was a low 
price,

but average smartphones would be around $500, give or take, new, less
30-40% on Craigslist.  ALSO NOTE if your prepaid account goes inactive 
you

will lose your phone number.  Look at Google Voice to get a permanent
number to forward, but your caller ID will be wrong and it is another 
level

of indirection.


 He is mostly interested in unlimited text/data so he can use it for
 internet access/entertainment as well as a communication device for 
 calls
 back home.  Limited calling minutes aren't much of an issue with 
 Sprints

 450 minute plan as cel to cel and after 7pm to 7am are unlimited.  That
is
 $69.99/month.  Everything else including roaming on other networks is
also
 included.


T-Mobile's 100-minute, 5GB data plan ($30) is the best price if you don't
average more than 250 minutes per month ($0.10/min overage).  If you have
an Android phone (possibly also iPhone?) there are apps to use data for
calls, if that's an issue.  5GB is pretty much unlimited, in my 
experience,

and I think they just downgrade you to 3G rates if you go over.

Postpaid Sprint and T-Mobile offer unlimited data, VZ and ATT do not. 
In

my experience the connection rates on Sprint have become very poor since
they got the iPhone - I often see rates in the 50-80Kbps range now.  That
could be regional.  T-Mobile offers HSPA+ rates up to 42Mbps which should
be a much better experience, but I think the initial cost for phones is
higher.


 Is roaming included in the prepaids?  Do they have the same coverage as
 contract phones?  I have been told that they don't and that in rural 
 area

 they don't work as well.  Is there any truth to that?


Generally no, yes but of course without roaming, and sort of.  It isn't 
so

much rural as region - I get horrible Sprint service in DC and VA, for
example, but I get service fine in the empty forests around NC. 
Meanwhile

a friend couldn't get Verizon at his new house south of Raleigh.  The
northern SC coast has strange T-Mobile coverage.  Moral of the story is
that there are pockets everywhere, so it is worth going to the places 
where

you will be and borrowing someone's phone - no one network has universal
coverage, especially indoors.  Also, not to be ignored, phone hardware is
really significant to receiving a signal - Samsung is the worst I've had,
Motorola is the best, but I don't know how if that holds true across
product lines.

* I have recently had to force roaming [to Verizon] at home just to get a
Sprint signal, I assume it's because of their LTE conversion since I used
to get good signal with this same phone in the same place.  Because of 
that
I would not buy a Sprint-based prepaid phone if I expected to keep it for 
a

while.

You can always dial '911' in the US from an inactive phone, so you can 
just

keep a charged battery and a phone from another network in the trunk if
that's a concern.

As you can see from Mitch's response, voice-only prepaid plans are priced
much more competitively, so your son might give some thought as to 
whether
he could survive without data.  I use Google Maps too much, but a lot of 
my
iPhone-toting peers are always in WiFi 

Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-14 Thread Michael Canfield
Lol.  I think it's around $600 a month now.  Not too shabby for a single
guy with included room and board.

Mike
On Nov 14, 2012 7:52 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 How does a Pvt. handle all of that on $78 per month - oh, I guess pay's
 gone up a little since my E-1 days.  ;)
 (And rightly so, of course, after all, It's been only nearly 56 years.)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com
 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s


  Thanks everyone.  He ended.up with a Boost Mobile phone.  It is an Android
 called a Kyocera Hydro.  Supposed to be waterproof and seemed sort of
 sturdy.  Price is $55 per month for unlimited everything with data
 throttling after 2gb or something.  He will set it up to be taken out of
 his account every month and after 18 months of current payments the price
 will be down to $40 per month.  The phone was $99 so worth it to give it a
 try for a few months and see how it works.

 Thanks again, Mike
 On Nov 14, 2012 2:30 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

  On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I have heard the wallymart straight talk is a good deal.  I just wonder
  about service coverage.
 

 With Straight Talk you choose either ATT or T-Mobile as your base
 network.
  You can voice roam to the other, but it is not technically supported -
 in
 other words they might turn that off.  There is no data roaming, from
 what
 I understand, though SWMBO is not a heavy data user.

 You can buy normal phones on Straight Talk that are CDMA (i.e. no SIM,
 no
 worky in Europey), I know nothing about those other than they are
 slightly
 cheaper and run on Sprint, so I would not buy one*.

 Big disadvantage of prepaid is the up-front cost of the phone, you are
 basically buying a computer with a fancy radio and touchscreen at retail
 price so it can be quite expensive.  Google's $300 Nexus 4 was a low
 price,
 but average smartphones would be around $500, give or take, new, less
 30-40% on Craigslist.  ALSO NOTE if your prepaid account goes inactive
 you
 will lose your phone number.  Look at Google Voice to get a permanent
 number to forward, but your caller ID will be wrong and it is another
 level
 of indirection.


  He is mostly interested in unlimited text/data so he can use it for
  internet access/entertainment as well as a communication device for 
 calls
  back home.  Limited calling minutes aren't much of an issue with 
 Sprints
  450 minute plan as cel to cel and after 7pm to 7am are unlimited.  That
 is
  $69.99/month.  Everything else including roaming on other networks is
 also
  included.
 

 T-Mobile's 100-minute, 5GB data plan ($30) is the best price if you don't
 average more than 250 minutes per month ($0.10/min overage).  If you have
 an Android phone (possibly also iPhone?) there are apps to use data for
 calls, if that's an issue.  5GB is pretty much unlimited, in my
 experience,
 and I think they just downgrade you to 3G rates if you go over.

 Postpaid Sprint and T-Mobile offer unlimited data, VZ and ATT do not. In
 my experience the connection rates on Sprint have become very poor since
 they got the iPhone - I often see rates in the 50-80Kbps range now.  That
 could be regional.  T-Mobile offers HSPA+ rates up to 42Mbps which should
 be a much better experience, but I think the initial cost for phones is
 higher.


  Is roaming included in the prepaids?  Do they have the same coverage as
  contract phones?  I have been told that they don't and that in rural 
 area
  they don't work as well.  Is there any truth to that?
 

 Generally no, yes but of course without roaming, and sort of.  It isn't
 so
 much rural as region - I get horrible Sprint service in DC and VA, for
 example, but I get service fine in the empty forests around NC. Meanwhile
 a friend couldn't get Verizon at his new house south of Raleigh.  The
 northern SC coast has strange T-Mobile coverage.  Moral of the story is
 that there are pockets everywhere, so it is worth going to the places
 where
 you will be and borrowing someone's phone - no one network has universal
 coverage, especially indoors.  Also, not to be ignored, phone hardware is
 really significant to receiving a signal - Samsung is the worst I've had,
 Motorola is the best, but I don't know how if that holds true across
 product lines.

 * I have recently had to force roaming [to Verizon] at home just to get a
 Sprint signal, I assume it's because of their LTE conversion since I used
 to get good signal with this same phone in the same place.  Because of
 that
 I would not buy a Sprint-based prepaid phone if I expected to keep it
 for a
 while.

 You can always dial '911' in the US from an inactive phone, so you can
 just
 keep a charged battery and a phone from another network in the trunk if
 that's a concern.

 As you can see from Mitch's 

Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell cold cold war

2012-11-14 Thread Hendrik Fay

I'll be the first to say it: attaboy Wilton
Although I would suspect that Danish girlfriend was most likely KGB spy. 
Who most probably learned all about you and the new gennies.

I would think that the KGB most likely had you on file Wilton.

Hendrik
who is probably not on KGB file

On 15/11/12 11:13, WILTON wrote:



Next afternoon, Col Wha'sisname showed up; we met for an hour or so; I 
convinced 'im that I really did need what I asked for; and we quickly 
worked out the details; he called General from my office to tell 'im 
that my request was legit, and he jumped back on the 141 to continue 
his trip north to Thule.  'Turns out, (and I didn't learn it until 
several weeks later) Col Wha'sisname had suddenly found a way to 
work the system - 'shacked up with his Danish girlfriend for 2 or 3 
days/nights at Thule.  I really didn't need the Col, 'cept to satisfy 
General's doubt.  If that's what it took, of course, that's OK, but 
Col Wha'sisname had no interest at all in my project or its deadline, 
he just wanted to get to Thule to shack-up with girlfriend.


Wilton







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Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread Peter Frederick

Jill Kelley.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-14 Thread WILTON
3 1/2 years later, when I was commissioned and started flying, my total 
suddenly went to $585 - I was RICH - well, I felt damned good, anyway.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s



Lol.  I think it's around $600 a month now.  Not too shabby for a single
guy with included room and board.

Mike
On Nov 14, 2012 7:52 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


How does a Pvt. handle all of that on $78 per month - oh, I guess pay's
gone up a little since my E-1 days.  ;)
(And rightly so, of course, after all, It's been only nearly 56 years.)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Michael Canfield 
slozuk...@gmail.com


To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s


 Thanks everyone.  He ended.up with a Boost Mobile phone.  It is an 
Android

called a Kyocera Hydro.  Supposed to be waterproof and seemed sort of
sturdy.  Price is $55 per month for unlimited everything with data
throttling after 2gb or something.  He will set it up to be taken out of
his account every month and after 18 months of current payments the 
price
will be down to $40 per month.  The phone was $99 so worth it to give it 
a

try for a few months and see how it works.

Thanks again, Mike
On Nov 14, 2012 2:30 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com

wrote:

 I have heard the wallymart straight talk is a good deal.  I just 
 wonder

 about service coverage.


With Straight Talk you choose either ATT or T-Mobile as your base
network.
 You can voice roam to the other, but it is not technically supported -
in
other words they might turn that off.  There is no data roaming, from
what
I understand, though SWMBO is not a heavy data user.

You can buy normal phones on Straight Talk that are CDMA (i.e. no 
SIM,

no
worky in Europey), I know nothing about those other than they are
slightly
cheaper and run on Sprint, so I would not buy one*.

Big disadvantage of prepaid is the up-front cost of the phone, you are
basically buying a computer with a fancy radio and touchscreen at 
retail

price so it can be quite expensive.  Google's $300 Nexus 4 was a low
price,
but average smartphones would be around $500, give or take, new, less
30-40% on Craigslist.  ALSO NOTE if your prepaid account goes inactive
you
will lose your phone number.  Look at Google Voice to get a permanent
number to forward, but your caller ID will be wrong and it is another
level
of indirection.


 He is mostly interested in unlimited text/data so he can use it for
 internet access/entertainment as well as a communication device for 
calls
 back home.  Limited calling minutes aren't much of an issue with 
Sprints
 450 minute plan as cel to cel and after 7pm to 7am are unlimited. 
 That

is
 $69.99/month.  Everything else including roaming on other networks is
also
 included.


T-Mobile's 100-minute, 5GB data plan ($30) is the best price if you 
don't
average more than 250 minutes per month ($0.10/min overage).  If you 
have

an Android phone (possibly also iPhone?) there are apps to use data for
calls, if that's an issue.  5GB is pretty much unlimited, in my
experience,
and I think they just downgrade you to 3G rates if you go over.

Postpaid Sprint and T-Mobile offer unlimited data, VZ and ATT do not. 
In
my experience the connection rates on Sprint have become very poor 
since
they got the iPhone - I often see rates in the 50-80Kbps range now. 
That
could be regional.  T-Mobile offers HSPA+ rates up to 42Mbps which 
should

be a much better experience, but I think the initial cost for phones is
higher.


 Is roaming included in the prepaids?  Do they have the same coverage 
 as
 contract phones?  I have been told that they don't and that in rural 
  

area
 they don't work as well.  Is there any truth to that?


Generally no, yes but of course without roaming, and sort of.  It isn't
so
much rural as region - I get horrible Sprint service in DC and VA, for
example, but I get service fine in the empty forests around NC. 
Meanwhile

a friend couldn't get Verizon at his new house south of Raleigh.  The
northern SC coast has strange T-Mobile coverage.  Moral of the story is
that there are pockets everywhere, so it is worth going to the places
where
you will be and borrowing someone's phone - no one network has 
universal
coverage, especially indoors.  Also, not to be ignored, phone hardware 
is
really significant to receiving a signal - Samsung is the worst I've 
had,

Motorola is the best, but I don't know how if that holds true across
product lines.

* I have recently had to force roaming [to Verizon] at home just to get 
a
Sprint signal, I assume it's because of their LTE conversion since I 
used

to get good signal with this same phone in the same 

Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell cold cold war

2012-11-14 Thread WILTON
I'm sure they did, but not likely as a civil engineer but as a 
nuclear-qualified B-52 guy.

BTW, I met the girlfriend a few months later - I'll hafta say, Worthy.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell cold cold war



I'll be the first to say it: attaboy Wilton
Although I would suspect that Danish girlfriend was most likely KGB spy. 
Who most probably learned all about you and the new gennies.

I would think that the KGB most likely had you on file Wilton.

Hendrik
who is probably not on KGB file

On 15/11/12 11:13, WILTON wrote:



Next afternoon, Col Wha'sisname showed up; we met for an hour or so; I 
convinced 'im that I really did need what I asked for; and we quickly 
worked out the details; he called General from my office to tell 'im that 
my request was legit, and he jumped back on the 141 to continue his trip 
north to Thule.  'Turns out, (and I didn't learn it until several weeks 
later) Col Wha'sisname had suddenly found a way to work the system - 
'shacked up with his Danish girlfriend for 2 or 3 days/nights at Thule. 
I really didn't need the Col, 'cept to satisfy General's doubt.  If 
that's what it took, of course, that's OK, but Col Wha'sisname had no 
interest at all in my project or its deadline, he just wanted to get to 
Thule to shack-up with girlfriend.


Wilton







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Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-14 Thread Michael Canfield
Cody feels VERY rich right now being his first real job and all.

Mike
On Nov 14, 2012 7:58 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 3 1/2 years later, when I was commissioned and started flying, my total
 suddenly went to $585 - I was RICH - well, I felt damned good, anyway.

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com
 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s


  Lol.  I think it's around $600 a month now.  Not too shabby for a single
 guy with included room and board.

 Mike
 On Nov 14, 2012 7:52 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  How does a Pvt. handle all of that on $78 per month - oh, I guess pay's
 gone up a little since my E-1 days.  ;)
 (And rightly so, of course, after all, It's been only nearly 56 years.)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Michael Canfield 
 slozuk...@gmail.com
 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s


  Thanks everyone.  He ended.up with a Boost Mobile phone.  It is an
 Android

 called a Kyocera Hydro.  Supposed to be waterproof and seemed sort of
 sturdy.  Price is $55 per month for unlimited everything with data
 throttling after 2gb or something.  He will set it up to be taken out of
 his account every month and after 18 months of current payments the
 price
 will be down to $40 per month.  The phone was $99 so worth it to give
 it a
 try for a few months and see how it works.

 Thanks again, Mike
 On Nov 14, 2012 2:30 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

  On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com

 wrote:

  I have heard the wallymart straight talk is a good deal.  I just 
 wonder
  about service coverage.
 

 With Straight Talk you choose either ATT or T-Mobile as your base
 network.
  You can voice roam to the other, but it is not technically supported -
 in
 other words they might turn that off.  There is no data roaming, from
 what
 I understand, though SWMBO is not a heavy data user.

 You can buy normal phones on Straight Talk that are CDMA (i.e. no
 SIM,
 no
 worky in Europey), I know nothing about those other than they are
 slightly
 cheaper and run on Sprint, so I would not buy one*.

 Big disadvantage of prepaid is the up-front cost of the phone, you are
 basically buying a computer with a fancy radio and touchscreen at
 retail
 price so it can be quite expensive.  Google's $300 Nexus 4 was a low
 price,
 but average smartphones would be around $500, give or take, new, less
 30-40% on Craigslist.  ALSO NOTE if your prepaid account goes inactive
 you
 will lose your phone number.  Look at Google Voice to get a permanent
 number to forward, but your caller ID will be wrong and it is another
 level
 of indirection.


  He is mostly interested in unlimited text/data so he can use it for
  internet access/entertainment as well as a communication device for 
 calls
  back home.  Limited calling minutes aren't much of an issue with 
 Sprints
  450 minute plan as cel to cel and after 7pm to 7am are unlimited. 
 That
 is
  $69.99/month.  Everything else including roaming on other networks is
 also
  included.
 

 T-Mobile's 100-minute, 5GB data plan ($30) is the best price if you
 don't
 average more than 250 minutes per month ($0.10/min overage).  If you
 have
 an Android phone (possibly also iPhone?) there are apps to use data for
 calls, if that's an issue.  5GB is pretty much unlimited, in my
 experience,
 and I think they just downgrade you to 3G rates if you go over.

 Postpaid Sprint and T-Mobile offer unlimited data, VZ and ATT do not.
 In
 my experience the connection rates on Sprint have become very poor
 since
 they got the iPhone - I often see rates in the 50-80Kbps range now.
 That
 could be regional.  T-Mobile offers HSPA+ rates up to 42Mbps which
 should
 be a much better experience, but I think the initial cost for phones is
 higher.


  Is roaming included in the prepaids?  Do they have the same coverage
  as
  contract phones?  I have been told that they don't and that in rural
   
 area
  they don't work as well.  Is there any truth to that?
 

 Generally no, yes but of course without roaming, and sort of.  It isn't
 so
 much rural as region - I get horrible Sprint service in DC and VA, for
 example, but I get service fine in the empty forests around NC.
 Meanwhile
 a friend couldn't get Verizon at his new house south of Raleigh.  The
 northern SC coast has strange T-Mobile coverage.  Moral of the story is
 that there are pockets everywhere, so it is worth going to the places
 where
 you will be and borrowing someone's phone - no one network has
 universal
 coverage, especially indoors.  Also, not to be ignored, phone hardware
 is
 really significant to receiving a signal - Samsung is the worst I've
 had,
 Motorola is the best, but I don't know how if that holds true across
 

Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-14 Thread WILTON

I certainly wish him well.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s



Cody feels VERY rich right now being his first real job and all.

Mike
On Nov 14, 2012 7:58 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


3 1/2 years later, when I was commissioned and started flying, my total
suddenly went to $585 - I was RICH - well, I felt damned good, anyway.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Michael Canfield 
slozuk...@gmail.com


To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s


 Lol.  I think it's around $600 a month now.  Not too shabby for a single

guy with included room and board.

Mike
On Nov 14, 2012 7:52 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 How does a Pvt. handle all of that on $78 per month - oh, I guess pay's

gone up a little since my E-1 days.  ;)
(And rightly so, of course, after all, It's been only nearly 56 years.)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Michael Canfield 
slozuk...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s


 Thanks everyone.  He ended.up with a Boost Mobile phone.  It is an
Android


called a Kyocera Hydro.  Supposed to be waterproof and seemed sort of
sturdy.  Price is $55 per month for unlimited everything with data
throttling after 2gb or something.  He will set it up to be taken out 
of

his account every month and after 18 months of current payments the
price
will be down to $40 per month.  The phone was $99 so worth it to give
it a
try for a few months and see how it works.

Thanks again, Mike
On Nov 14, 2012 2:30 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Michael Canfield 
slozuk...@gmail.com



wrote:

 I have heard the wallymart straight talk is a good deal.  I just 
wonder
 about service coverage.


With Straight Talk you choose either ATT or T-Mobile as your base
network.
 You can voice roam to the other, but it is not technically 
supported -

in
other words they might turn that off.  There is no data roaming, from
what
I understand, though SWMBO is not a heavy data user.

You can buy normal phones on Straight Talk that are CDMA (i.e. no
SIM,
no
worky in Europey), I know nothing about those other than they are
slightly
cheaper and run on Sprint, so I would not buy one*.

Big disadvantage of prepaid is the up-front cost of the phone, you 
are

basically buying a computer with a fancy radio and touchscreen at
retail
price so it can be quite expensive.  Google's $300 Nexus 4 was a low
price,
but average smartphones would be around $500, give or take, new, less
30-40% on Craigslist.  ALSO NOTE if your prepaid account goes 
inactive

you
will lose your phone number.  Look at Google Voice to get a permanent
number to forward, but your caller ID will be wrong and it is another
level
of indirection.


 He is mostly interested in unlimited text/data so he can use it for
 internet access/entertainment as well as a communication device for 
  

calls
 back home.  Limited calling minutes aren't much of an issue with 
Sprints
 450 minute plan as cel to cel and after 7pm to 7am are unlimited. 
That
is
 $69.99/month.  Everything else including roaming on other networks 
 is

also
 included.


T-Mobile's 100-minute, 5GB data plan ($30) is the best price if you
don't
average more than 250 minutes per month ($0.10/min overage).  If you
have
an Android phone (possibly also iPhone?) there are apps to use data 
for

calls, if that's an issue.  5GB is pretty much unlimited, in my
experience,
and I think they just downgrade you to 3G rates if you go over.

Postpaid Sprint and T-Mobile offer unlimited data, VZ and ATT do 
not.

In
my experience the connection rates on Sprint have become very poor
since
they got the iPhone - I often see rates in the 50-80Kbps range now.
That
could be regional.  T-Mobile offers HSPA+ rates up to 42Mbps which
should
be a much better experience, but I think the initial cost for phones 
is

higher.


 Is roaming included in the prepaids?  Do they have the same 
 coverage

 as
 contract phones?  I have been told that they don't and that in 
 rural

  
area
 they don't work as well.  Is there any truth to that?


Generally no, yes but of course without roaming, and sort of.  It 
isn't

so
much rural as region - I get horrible Sprint service in DC and VA, 
for

example, but I get service fine in the empty forests around NC.
Meanwhile
a friend couldn't get Verizon at his new house south of Raleigh.  The
northern SC coast has strange T-Mobile coverage.  Moral of the story 
is

that there are pockets everywhere, so it is worth going to the places
where
you will be and borrowing someone's phone - no one network has
universal
coverage, especially indoors.  Also, not to 

Re: [MBZ] was] 240V now Generators

2012-11-14 Thread John Reames
Iirc, Anne arundel county MD requires them. 2 water meters anyone?

--
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jream...@verizon.net
Home: +14106646986
Mobile: +14437915905

On Nov 14, 2012, at 18:16, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Rich Thomas wrote:
 I just put about 20 GFCI and AFCI breakers in my new panel, them thangs are 
 pricey!
 
 Ground faults are pricey, arc faults are wicked expensive.
 I can't wait until they get automatic sprinkler systems in the residential 
 building codes, that'll make costs go up even more.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] was] 240V was Generators NOW fire suppression

2012-11-14 Thread Rich Thomas
I got to agitating about our local fire district here, and learned a bit 
about residential sprinkler systems.  The fire chief asserted that a 
system costs $2-$4/ft2, which on top of say $200+/ft2 for the kinds of 
houses around here is not too shabby.  The kicker is that high-end 
houses here probably go closer to $300-$400/ft2 (or more!), and have 
hurricane windows, Hardy siding, and metal roofs.  Fire chief says 
unless there is clearly someone inside who needs to be saved, his guys 
will watch the house burn, protect neighboring properties.  They are not 
able to penetrate that kind of construction, so rather than risk his 
guys they will just keep it under control while it burns.  He asserts 
the fire suppression will deal with the internal fires so that is why 
you need it -- to save yo own selfs and your house.


He also explained that due to modern materials and interior decorating 
and furniture (amount and materials) and such, the flashover time now 
for a fire is measured in a few minutes; whereas, some years back it 
could be 10-15min or more, so that the FD had some chance of saving the 
structure if they got the call soon enough.  (and back then the 
construction was much less repulsive to their efforts)  Today, pretty 
much watch it burn if it is inside and fully involved.


About the only thing his guys have control over is response time from 
getting the alarm to reaching the structure, and that is further 
mitigated by how far is the station, road conditions, property 
conditions (driveway too narrow, trees, etc.), water availability, and 
lots of other factors they don't really have much control over.  Our 
local guys, even in a fairly rural area, do a pretty good job, ahead of 
national averages.  It basically boils down to how fast they roll their 
trucks, the rest is conditional.


All quite interesting. I am impressed by just how into it the 
firefighters are.  Almost to the point of being creepy.  A buddy of mine 
is a fire commissioner, and he tells me some of the inside stuff.


--R

On 11/14/12 8:18 PM, John Reames wrote:

Iirc, Anne arundel county MD requires them. 2 water meters anyone?

--
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jream...@verizon.net
Home: +14106646986
Mobile: +14437915905

On Nov 14, 2012, at 18:16, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:


Rich Thomas wrote:

I just put about 20 GFCI and AFCI breakers in my new panel, them thangs are 
pricey!

Ground faults are pricey, arc faults are wicked expensive.
I can't wait until they get automatic sprinkler systems in the residential 
building codes, that'll make costs go up even more.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] was] 240V was Generators NOW fire suppression

2012-11-14 Thread Dan Penoff
We seriously considered a residential (fire) sprinkler system in the house we 
built in Wisconsin.  It was surprisingly inexpensive relative to the total cost 
of the house.  Since the house was a saltbox, the incorporation of the system 
would have been pretty straightforward, which also helped in keeping the cost 
reasonable.

Ultimately, we looked at the savings as far as insurance and the amortization 
of the additional construction costs, and it just didn't make sense 
financially.  Had we taken a more abstract approach in considering the 
likelihood of a fire occurring and how the system would have mitigated it, we 
might have done it.

I would still seriously consider it if I built again (which is highly unlikely.)

Dan


On Nov 14, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

 I got to agitating about our local fire district here, and learned a bit 
 about residential sprinkler systems.  The fire chief asserted that a system 
 costs $2-$4/ft2, which on top of say $200+/ft2 for the kinds of houses around 
 here is not too shabby.  The kicker is that high-end houses here probably go 
 closer to $300-$400/ft2 (or more!), and have hurricane windows, Hardy siding, 
 and metal roofs.  Fire chief says unless there is clearly someone inside who 
 needs to be saved, his guys will watch the house burn, protect neighboring 
 properties.  They are not able to penetrate that kind of construction, so 
 rather than risk his guys they will just keep it under control while it 
 burns.  He asserts the fire suppression will deal with the internal fires so 
 that is why you need it -- to save yo own selfs and your house.
 
 He also explained that due to modern materials and interior decorating and 
 furniture (amount and materials) and such, the flashover time now for a fire 
 is measured in a few minutes; whereas, some years back it could be 10-15min 
 or more, so that the FD had some chance of saving the structure if they got 
 the call soon enough.  (and back then the construction was much less 
 repulsive to their efforts)  Today, pretty much watch it burn if it is inside 
 and fully involved.
 
 About the only thing his guys have control over is response time from getting 
 the alarm to reaching the structure, and that is further mitigated by how far 
 is the station, road conditions, property conditions (driveway too narrow, 
 trees, etc.), water availability, and lots of other factors they don't really 
 have much control over.  Our local guys, even in a fairly rural area, do a 
 pretty good job, ahead of national averages.  It basically boils down to how 
 fast they roll their trucks, the rest is conditional.
 
 All quite interesting. I am impressed by just how into it the firefighters 
 are.  Almost to the point of being creepy.  A buddy of mine is a fire 
 commissioner, and he tells me some of the inside stuff.
 
 --R
 


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[MBZ] source for new fenders for '84 300D

2012-11-14 Thread G. M. Brown

Anyone on the list have a source for new fenders for my '84 300D other than GA 
or the Classic Center?
TIA
 
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC   
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread clay monroe
Odd timing, seeing how the FBI knew about this back in the summer.  Held off 
until the election is over for the feces to impact the rotors.  A week before 
and the whitehouse would have a lame duck.

clay


On Nov 14, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

 No, just an ordinary rat.  Or should I say rabid social climber with minimal 
 or no moral sense.
 
 Not to say that screwing the subject of a biography is exactly less than 
 sleazy.
 
 Peter
 
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Re: [MBZ] source for new fenders for '84 300D

2012-11-14 Thread Rich Thomas

You want new or acceptable?

The knacker down the road has a bunch of 123s, some local with decent 
bodywork.


--R

On 11/14/12 9:19 PM, G. M. Brown wrote:

Anyone on the list have a source for new fenders for my '84 300D other than GA 
or the Classic Center?
TIA
  
G. M. Brown

Brevard, NC 
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Re: [MBZ] source for new fenders for '84 300D

2012-11-14 Thread Dieselhead

Uh, Rusty?



Anyone on the list have a source for new fenders for my '84 300D 
other than GA or the Classic Center?

TIA

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC


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Re: [MBZ] Military Cel Phone ???'s

2012-11-14 Thread Rich Thomas
This might be of interest 
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/11/hands-on-nexus-7-with-mobile-data


Tablet with cell data capability, wonder how hard it would be to hack 
voice on it (direct not skype)


--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread Craig
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:14:03 -0800 clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
wrote:

 Odd timing, seeing how the FBI knew about this back in the summer.
 Held off until the election is over for the feces to impact the
 rotors.  A week before and the whitehouse would have a lame duck.

Yeah. Strange, isn't it?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - NAS Suggestions

2012-11-14 Thread Scott Ritchey
I've been very pleased with my (2-slot) Synology unit.  The Synology
software is great (very GUI).  I also have a 5-slot Thecus unit: cool
hardware but crappy software.  They are all Lynux but you actually need to
get into the Lynux to do much (like a web site) on the Thecus box.

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Dan Penoff
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:17 PM
To: Mercedes List; Banned List
Subject: [MBZ] OT - NAS Suggestions

I have just about arrived at the point of running my Drobo FS over with a
large piece of construction equipment.

With this in mind, I am looking for suggestions for a network attached
storage solution.

I need something with at least four 3.5 bays, gigabyte ethernet, and
anything else is icing on the NAS cake.

I would prefer something that does not have a proprietary OS or internals -
I want a straight RAID solution.

TIA,

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread Dieselhead

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:14:03 -0800 clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
wrote:


 Odd timing, seeing how the FBI knew about this back in the summer.
 Held off until the election is over for the feces to impact the
 rotors.  A week before and the whitehouse would have a lame duck.


Yeah. Strange, isn't it?

Craig


Mayhaps last summer o bummer didn't need a distraction from his incompetence

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Broadwell

2012-11-14 Thread Rick Knoble
On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:34 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 Yeah. Strange, isn't it?


I think we will be seeing more strange things in the near future. I think the 
muck raking is just beginning. I would imagine there to be secret dossiers on 
every member of the  BHO cabinet and all czars, including BHO himself. It is 
probably best if you are the POTUS, not to urinate in the Wheaties of the 
intelligence community. I think a certain president in the early '60's found 
that out the hard way. 

Rick
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