[MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Rick Hawkins Java

i wrote the wrong word here


So what kind of damage could be done to the pump?


i meant VALVE

i don't buy that about the bad spheres causing valve problems

but we shall see...

when i bought my car years ago, the spheres were bad and i didn't  
replace them for a month or two, i'm sure


then it was fine for a number of years


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins



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From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
Date: April 18, 2014 10:05:26 PM EDT
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] sls troubles 300td 1982
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Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

So what kind of damage could be done to the pump?
it's a pretty simple device  pounding around of the pistons or  
something
the lever is moved all the time when you drive around and hit  
bumps,  no matter how heavy or  light you use it, i would think

lack of the dampening action of the spheres?
i would think a hose would fail before the valve



It's the control valve that gets damaged by the pressure spikes.
When I bought my 2.3-16, it had dead spheres and a valve that  
wouldn't hold pressure. I got a used valve from somebody who  
downgraded to lowering springs, and new spheres. When those spheres  
died, I let the tire pressure down to 20 psi and drove it carefully  
6 miles to the cottage to store it. When I got there, the suspension  
was flat again, that 'gentle' drive to the lake killed the  
replacement control valve. IIRC, my W201 uses S123 spheres and S124  
control valve, and the 124 valve isn't rebuildable.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey

i don't buy that about the bad spheres causing valve problems


Pressure spikes.  Pretty nasty stuff.  Think hydroforming...

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Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-19 Thread rogerhga
Philip, 
As you said, I can only relate my personal experience with ethanol. And that 
is, my 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.9 liter magnum V8 does not like ethanol 
gas. It idles rougher and it gets about 2 mpg less. Again, this is my 
experience with a big engine. When I can find Marathon out in the country 
without ethanol, I fill up the truck and it's happy for awhile. Unfortunately, 
I live too close to Atlanta and the state requires the stations to sell ethanol 
added gas within what's considered the metro area. However, I've used it in my 
gas weed trimmer and 3 lawn mowers with no problems that I've noticed as it 
relates to small engines. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
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Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
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[MBZ] Used parts for those with newer Mercedes

2014-04-19 Thread Meade Dillon
Wish this place had more cars from 80's and early 90's.

Www.BavarianautoMart.com

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[MBZ] Was somebody looking for a military style Seiko 5?

2014-04-19 Thread Mitchell Haley, EA
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002SSUQFG


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Re: [MBZ] Was somebody looking for a military style Seiko 5?

2014-04-19 Thread Meade Dillon
I wonder if the second hand sweep is smooth, like a Rolex?  I like the
look.  Great price, $50 is hard to beat.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Used parts for those with newer Mercedes

2014-04-19 Thread Gary Hurst
in the old days, a junkyard would just keep what they had.  i remember the
old allen junkyard north of atlanta and how if you went back far enough,
the ford model As would start showing up.  the place was sold to the you
pull it outfit and now all that stuff is gone

today it seems as if no one wants to deal in anything other than fast
moving items


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 Www.BavarianautoMart.com

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Re: [MBZ] Was somebody looking for a military style Seiko 5?

2014-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley

Meade Dillon wrote:

I wonder if the second hand sweep is smooth, like a Rolex?  I like the
look.  Great price, $50 is hard to beat.


A modern Rolex is probably 8 beats per second, and I think a Seiko 5 is 6 beats.
I kind of want an older King Seiko or Grand Seiko Hi-beat (10 beats per second), 
but you won't find one in working order for $50.

http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4item=111329484607



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Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-19 Thread OK Don
I'm out of the country now, but will try to remember to look it up next
week.

On Friday, April 18, 2014, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don,

 Thanks for the tip about the testing kit. Where do you find them?

 Thanks,

 Grant..


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  I bought a testing kit that is an alcohol soluble dye. Put a drop in a
  sample of the gas, agitate, and see whether the sample has changed color
  and whether the drop is still the same size. I test the fuel perhaps
 every
  other month that goes into the Cessna from the usual station, and before
  pumping much from new stations.
 
  On Thursday, April 17, 2014, Kevin Allen Kraly 
  kevinpadd...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 
  wrote:
 
   How do you make sure that the gasoline that you're buying is not
   contaminated with ethanol?  The Toyota Sienna Minivan got a fillip of
   premium  today.  I read some time ago on this list that premium gas
 isn't
   blended.  I don't want  any gas containing ethanol
in the van  since it doesn't get driven much.
  
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Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley

OK Don wrote:

I'm out of the country now, but will try to remember to look it up next
week.


Anybody have it cheaper than $10.75 + $5 shipping per half ounce?
http://www.fuel-testers.com/quikcheck.html

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[MBZ] Counterfeit Oil Filters?

2014-04-19 Thread Dan Penoff
Wanted to follow up on my findings to-date:

Took Indian oil filter to the dealer yesterday.  Other than the hologram and 
source being indicated as Austria on the dealer part, the outside looked 
identical.

We compared the actual filters and found a few differences:

1.) Dealer part had Made in Austria stamped on it, along with a time/date 
stamp indicating when it was made.

Non-dealer part had Made in India by Kriloskar and no time/date stamp

2.) Heavy paper webbing that wraps around the outside of the filter pleats on 
the dealer filter came to within 1/2' of the metal filter ends.

Non-dealer part webbing was 1 from metal filter ends

3.) Dealer filter had an interior metal tube with a few holes in it.

Non-dealer filter had metal tube with many holes in it.

4.) Dealer filter had no visible materials inside of the filter

Non-dealer filter had glob of glue at top of filter inside where the pleat 
material met the top end cap.

5.) Pleats of filter material had the same count for both filters.


Based on the comparison I'm not putting any of these filters in my cars until I 
know more.  I contacted MBUSA since the dealer wasn't really interested in 
getting involved, which I can understand.  MBUSA has asked for one of the 
filters for inspection, which I will be sending them on Monday.

Suffice to say at this point I would not be putting any Indian made MB filters 
in my cars.  It's simply not worth save a couple of bucks to take the risk.

More as I know it,

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
So I went to a dealership for a Club High Mileage event and had an array of
seasoned techs work on my suspension problem.  :)

The consensus was that the bouncy rear end was NOT related to the air cells
(spheres), since they are new.

We lowered the ride height by adjusting the rear valve linkage, from 16 to
a litle over 14 as measured from the center of the rear wheel hub to the
wheel arch.  Then we lowered the car to the floor and ran the engine while
a couple burly techs sat on the deck with the tailgate raised. The level of
the rear dropped down, but after 5 minutes there was no perceptible rise.
We put it back on the lift and inspected the rear struts, which were German
OEM and quite clean (e.g., not original to the car).  The springs measured
17mm in diameter, but the correct OEM springs are supposed to be only
15.95, so obviously these are replacement springs.  Could these incorrect
springs be the source of my problem?  Or is there more likely to be a
problem with the rear suspension valve?  SLS fluid is recirculating
normally and there are no leaks in the system, but the failure of the rear
end to rebound while under load may suggest a problem with the valve.

Thoughts anyone?


On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 i don't buy that about the bad spheres causing valve problems


 Pressure spikes.  Pretty nasty stuff.  Think hydroforming...

 -- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] Testing times

2014-04-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
What is that supposed to mean?


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 If you didn't buy it at the apple store, you are supposed to use it. :-)

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  Hey speaking of Apple, how to I find a compatible printer driver for a
  Canon Pixma MP 780?  The computer does NOT recognixe this when I connect
 it
  to my IMac.  :((
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Counterfeit Oil Filters?

2014-04-19 Thread Craig
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:31:28 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Wanted to follow up on my findings to-date:

Thank you, Dan, for doing the research and letting us know about it.


 Suffice to say at this point I would not be putting any Indian made MB
 filters in my cars.  It's simply not worth save a couple of bucks to
 take the risk.

Thank you also for telling us about your conclusion.


 More as I know it,

Great.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Dan Penoff
Andrew,

From my experience with SLS, I believe that you've got leveling valve issues.

Here's my logic:

If changing the leveling valve settings causes the suspension height to change, 
the struts must be good.  If by some chance they were bad, it wouldn't raise at 
all, assuming the seals on the pistons were bad, which is the only part inside 
of them.

From what you describe the inly possible variable is the leveling valve.

Rebuild/replace the leveling valve.

Dan



On Apr 19, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 So I went to a dealership for a Club High Mileage event and had an array of
 seasoned techs work on my suspension problem.  :)
 
 The consensus was that the bouncy rear end was NOT related to the air cells
 (spheres), since they are new.
 
 We lowered the ride height by adjusting the rear valve linkage, from 16 to
 a litle over 14 as measured from the center of the rear wheel hub to the
 wheel arch.  Then we lowered the car to the floor and ran the engine while
 a couple burly techs sat on the deck with the tailgate raised. The level of
 the rear dropped down, but after 5 minutes there was no perceptible rise.
 We put it back on the lift and inspected the rear struts, which were German
 OEM and quite clean (e.g., not original to the car).  The springs measured
 17mm in diameter, but the correct OEM springs are supposed to be only
 15.95, so obviously these are replacement springs.  Could these incorrect
 springs be the source of my problem?  Or is there more likely to be a
 problem with the rear suspension valve?  SLS fluid is recirculating
 normally and there are no leaks in the system, but the failure of the rear
 end to rebound while under load may suggest a problem with the valve.
 
 Thoughts anyone?
 
 
 On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
 
 i don't buy that about the bad spheres causing valve problems
 
 
 Pressure spikes.  Pretty nasty stuff.  Think hydroforming...
 
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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Maybe the pump is not providing enough pressure.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 19, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 Andrew,
 
 From my experience with SLS, I believe that you've got leveling valve issues.
 
 Here's my logic:
 
 If changing the leveling valve settings causes the suspension height to 
 change, the struts must be good.  If by some chance they were bad, it 
 wouldn't raise at all, assuming the seals on the pistons were bad, which is 
 the only part inside of them.
 
 From what you describe the inly possible variable is the leveling valve.
 
 Rebuild/replace the leveling valve.
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 On Apr 19, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 
 So I went to a dealership for a Club High Mileage event and had an array of
 seasoned techs work on my suspension problem.  :)
 
 The consensus was that the bouncy rear end was NOT related to the air cells
 (spheres), since they are new.
 
 We lowered the ride height by adjusting the rear valve linkage, from 16 to
 a litle over 14 as measured from the center of the rear wheel hub to the
 wheel arch.  Then we lowered the car to the floor and ran the engine while
 a couple burly techs sat on the deck with the tailgate raised. The level of
 the rear dropped down, but after 5 minutes there was no perceptible rise.
 We put it back on the lift and inspected the rear struts, which were German
 OEM and quite clean (e.g., not original to the car).  The springs measured
 17mm in diameter, but the correct OEM springs are supposed to be only
 15.95, so obviously these are replacement springs.  Could these incorrect
 springs be the source of my problem?  Or is there more likely to be a
 problem with the rear suspension valve?  SLS fluid is recirculating
 normally and there are no leaks in the system, but the failure of the rear
 end to rebound while under load may suggest a problem with the valve.
 
 Thoughts anyone?
 
 
 On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
 
 i don't buy that about the bad spheres causing valve problems
 
 Pressure spikes.  Pretty nasty stuff.  Think hydroforming...
 
 -- Jim
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Hendrik, why is it that you don't write with an Aussie accent?


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

 What about unprocessed junk?

 Hendrik
 who is catless

 On 18/04/14 06:04, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 As opposed to processed junk.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

 As opposed to fake fish?

 Hendrik
 whose cat only ate whiskas cat food, both dry and tinned

  On 17/04/14 09:08, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 How about some real fish.



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Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-19 Thread Curt Raymond
I think tanks that are protected do better than those left out. Lately I've 
taken to covering the gas caps on the snowmobiles with a rubber glove. Older 
snowmobile gas caps often have a vented gauge which allows water infiltration 
even (especially?) when the sled is covered with a tarp. The rubber glove 
allows for some excess space should the tank pressurize in the warm but doesn't 
allow water in. That seems to have helped me a lot.

My Dad leaves all his equipment out all the time, he's basically lazy about 
putting stuff away. He sees many carb problems...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 23:21:26 -0500
From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Message-ID: 20140418232126.0c1e0...@jasper.condray.lan
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

 arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
 
 Here's a better explanation of the test suggested previously
 which is simply based on the affinity of alcohol for water; no
 complex chemistry involved.

Thanks!  This one makes sense.

 Therefore, any deviation in the water line indicates the presence
 of ethanol and should serve as a basis for rejecting the fuel.

I'm going to speak up again.

For nearly 30 years I have been using ethanol blend gasoline
[petrol].  I began seeking it out and have used it almost
exclusively for 25 years.  I tried it way back then and discovered
the carburetor maintenance on my cars went _way_ down with the
blend.  Since then, I have used it for cars, lawn mowers,
chainsaws, line trimmers, etc.  Some of the mowers have repeatedly
sat for 6 to 8 months with fuel in the tank.  I often mix a
stabilizer (Stabil initially, more recently Sea Foam) with the two
stroke - but not always.

In those 25 years I cannot blame the fuel for even one problem with
any of the engines.  Zero.

Yet there are a lot of people who claim lots of problems caused by
ethanol.  I don't understand why my experience is _so_ different.

All these tales of woe are making me nervous - yet my experiences
suggest I should keep doing what I have been.

--  Philip,  puzzled.
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Re: [MBZ] Testing apple times

2014-04-19 Thread Curt Raymond
Hmm, I wonder if I can clean the print head on my Epson that way. I've been 
buying aftermarket ink off Amazon and after sitting a year or so it now refuses 
to print some of the colors. I ran so many cleaning cycles it ran out the 
cartridges and I got fed up. There are times when it'd be nice to have a 
working printer...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:46:59 +0930
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing apple times
Message-ID: 5351dc9b.6010...@gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Ha ha +1 for that one. Wonder how they feel about me buying a screen for 
an iphoney off ebay
Speaking of printers, the other day I had job that involved taking a 
load of stuff to the rubbish dump. In amongst all the crap was a HP 
printer, which looked OK so I took it home.
Fired it up and all the lights where on but the paper was not feeding 
properly, so I pulled it apart and some kid must dropped a safety pin in 
there. Right O now the paper was feeding properly but nothing was being 
printed, hmmn me thinks, the cartridges must have dried out, a quick 
search indicates that standing them in hot water may clean em out.
So I give that a whirl and sure enough we have printing but it's still 
not 100% but I am just keeping it as a spare for now.

Hendrik
who hates to throw stuff out unless it is totally beyond any use whatsoever
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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread David Bruckmann
It pounds the base pressure and overpressure relief valves and their springs 
into oblivion. 

It will eventually also cause strut seal failure, lower balljoint failure, and 
top strut bushing failure.  

 On Apr 19, 2014, Rick Hawkins wrote:

 i don't buy that about the bad spheres causing valve problems

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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food

2014-04-19 Thread John Reames
Like the BARF diet? ;) (bones and raw food... Ground up perhaps?)

(The marrow in the bones is probably good for them...)

--
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On Apr 18, 2014, at 22:59, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

 What about unprocessed junk?
 
 Hendrik
 who is catless
 
 On 18/04/14 06:04, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 As opposed to processed junk.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 17, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As opposed to fake fish?
 
 Hendrik
 whose cat only ate whiskas cat food, both dry and tinned
 
 On 17/04/14 09:08, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 How about some real fish.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol

2014-04-19 Thread Curt Raymond
Have you done a tune-up on it? Replaced the fuel filter?

I had a '96 Dodge Dakota with the magnum 5.2l v8 and I never detected any 
issues running with ethanol fuel.

My guess is your truck has a marginally dirty fuel system which the ethanol is 
gradually scrubbing into the injectors. I'd further guess that if you filled it 
with ethanol fuel and ran it hard enough and long enough (might take a couple 
thousand hard miles) you'd either get past the problem or plug the fuel filter.

Unfortunately if your pickup is like my Dakota the filter is in the tank and is 
somewhat of a bear to replace.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 12:34:27 + (UTC)
From: roger...@comcast.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ULSD now Ethanol
Message-ID:
    1254472027.29354809.1397910867599.javamail.r...@comcast.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Philip, 
As you said, I can only relate my personal experience with ethanol. And that 
is, my 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.9 liter magnum V8 does not like ethanol 
gas. It idles rougher and it gets about 2 mpg less. Again, this is my 
experience with a big engine. When I can find Marathon out in the country 
without ethanol, I fill up the truck and it's happy for awhile. Unfortunately, 
I live too close to Atlanta and the state requires the stations to sell ethanol 
added gas within what's considered the metro area. However, I've used it in my 
gas weed trimmer and 3 lawn mowers with no problems that I've noticed as it 
relates to small engines. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 
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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread David Bruckmann
Sounds like they further misadjusted the linkage. The valve is working if they 
were able to influence the resting height. The system's operation is clearly 
described in 32-501. 

It should be adjusted so that the unloaded vehicle's resting height is 
determined only by the base pressure. The height control valve should only 
activate if the rear end is deflected significantly (a couple of inches). But 
if they've overadjusted the lever, it may not be activating when load is added 
to the car. When moving the height control lever (disconnected from the torsion 
bar linkage), you can feel the point at which the base pressure circuit takes 
over from the height control circuit. There's a very subtle notch feeling as 
the height control lever strikes the filling ball valve. 

Remember there are two separate control modes: the base pressure circuit (when 
functioning correctly) completely overrides the height control lever in the 
downwards direction after a certain point. You can put the lever all the way to 
the drain position and the car will not fall below normal resting height. The 
base pressure circuit actually moves the ball valve out of range for the 
control lever to prevent loss of base pressure. 

We are talking about adjustments of a few millimetres here. This is not 
something that should be done by people who haven't read 32-501. 

D. 


 On Apr 19, 2014, at 11:39, Andrew wrote:

 So I went to a dealership for a Club High Mileage event and had an array of
 seasoned techs work on my suspension problem.  :)
 
 The consensus was that the bouncy rear end was NOT related to the air cells
 (spheres), since they are new.
 
 We lowered the ride height by adjusting the rear valve linkage, from 16 to
 a litle over 14 as measured from the center of the rear wheel hub to the
 wheel arch.
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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Rich Thomas
One thing also to look at it, and I presume your mechs did this, is the 
condition of the plastic bushings on the turnbuckle linkage.  If those 
are not solid or are missing it will not allow the system to function 
properly.  Have you ascertained if the pump is actually pumping 
pressurized fluid into the system?


--R


On 4/19/14 4:24 PM, David Bruckmann wrote:

Sounds like they further misadjusted the linkage. The valve is working if they 
were able to influence the resting height. The system's operation is clearly 
described in 32-501.

It should be adjusted so that the unloaded vehicle's resting height is 
determined only by the base pressure. The height control valve should only 
activate if the rear end is deflected significantly (a couple of inches). But 
if they've overadjusted the lever, it may not be activating when load is added 
to the car. When moving the height control lever (disconnected from the torsion 
bar linkage), you can feel the point at which the base pressure circuit takes 
over from the height control circuit. There's a very subtle notch feeling as 
the height control lever strikes the filling ball valve.

Remember there are two separate control modes: the base pressure circuit (when 
functioning correctly) completely overrides the height control lever in the 
downwards direction after a certain point. You can put the lever all the way to 
the drain position and the car will not fall below normal resting height. The 
base pressure circuit actually moves the ball valve out of range for the 
control lever to prevent loss of base pressure.

We are talking about adjustments of a few millimetres here. This is not 
something that should be done by people who haven't read 32-501.

D.



On Apr 19, 2014, at 11:39, Andrew wrote:
So I went to a dealership for a Club High Mileage event and had an array of
seasoned techs work on my suspension problem.  :)

The consensus was that the bouncy rear end was NOT related to the air cells
(spheres), since they are new.

We lowered the ride height by adjusting the rear valve linkage, from 16 to
a litle over 14 as measured from the center of the rear wheel hub to the
wheel arch.

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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley

David Bruckmann wrote:
Sounds like they further misadjusted the linkage. The valve is working if they were able to influence the resting height. The system's operation is clearly described in 32-501. 

It should be adjusted so that the unloaded vehicle's resting height is determined only by the base pressure. The height control valve should only activate if the rear end is deflected significantly (a couple of inches). But if they've overadjusted the lever, it may not be activating when load is added to the car. When moving the height control lever (disconnected from the torsion bar linkage), you can feel the point at which the base pressure circuit takes over from the height control circuit. There's a very subtle notch feeling as the height control lever strikes the filling ball valve. 

Remember there are two separate control modes: the base pressure circuit (when functioning correctly) completely overrides the height control lever in the downwards direction after a certain point. You can put the lever all the way to the drain position and the car will not fall below normal resting height. The base pressure circuit actually moves the ball valve out of range for the control lever to prevent loss of base pressure. 

We are talking about adjustments of a few millimetres here. This is not something that should be done by people who haven't read 32-501. 

D. 


Could the problem be that it was too high with (wrong) springs and base 
pressure, so they adjusted it to drain and it lowered but then wouldn't pump up?


Andrew, has this car been bouncing like a pogo stick since you got it, or is 
that a recent development?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC

2014-04-19 Thread Dan Penoff
Isn't someone on the list a resident of this area?

There's what appears to be a really nice 300TD for sale there with a manny 
tranny.

Dan 
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Re: [MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC

2014-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I am not local, does that help?

Sent from my iPhone

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 Isn't someone on the list a resident of this area?
 
 There's what appears to be a really nice 300TD for sale there with a manny 
 tranny.
 
 Dan 
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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Since I installed new spheres it rides less harshly.  I don't notice
excessive bounciness, but it fails the bounce test at rest (won't recover
quickly enough after pressure is applied to the rear bumper).

David:  Are you saying that all components are sound, and that applying
32-501 will solve my problem?


On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 David Bruckmann wrote:

 Sounds like they further misadjusted the linkage. The valve is working if
 they were able to influence the resting height. The system's operation is
 clearly described in 32-501.
 It should be adjusted so that the unloaded vehicle's resting height is
 determined only by the base pressure. The height control valve should only
 activate if the rear end is deflected significantly (a couple of inches).
 But if they've overadjusted the lever, it may not be activating when load
 is added to the car. When moving the height control lever (disconnected
 from the torsion bar linkage), you can feel the point at which the base
 pressure circuit takes over from the height control circuit. There's a very
 subtle notch feeling as the height control lever strikes the filling ball
 valve.
 Remember there are two separate control modes: the base pressure circuit
 (when functioning correctly) completely overrides the height control lever
 in the downwards direction after a certain point. You can put the lever all
 the way to the drain position and the car will not fall below normal
 resting height. The base pressure circuit actually moves the ball valve out
 of range for the control lever to prevent loss of base pressure.
 We are talking about adjustments of a few millimetres here. This is not
 something that should be done by people who haven't read 32-501.
 D.


 Could the problem be that it was too high with (wrong) springs and base
 pressure, so they adjusted it to drain and it lowered but then wouldn't
 pump up?

 Andrew, has this car been bouncing like a pogo stick since you got it, or
 is that a recent development?
 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey

If the springs are too stiff the suspension will ride too high,
and you'll never get the system adjusted into the proper range.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC

2014-04-19 Thread WILTON

Tim Crone lives in Chapel Hill.

Wilton

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Isn't someone on the list a resident of this area?

There's what appears to be a really nice 300TD for sale there with a manny 
tranny.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Since I installed new spheres it rides less harshly.  I don't notice
excessive bounciness, but it fails the bounce test at rest (won't recover
quickly enough after pressure is applied to the rear bumper).



Well, if it drives OK with the new spheres, I suppose you could put the old ones 
back on and redo the 'safety test' (see, no more boingboing) and then put the 
new ones back on.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC

2014-04-19 Thread Dan Penoff
Thanks, Wilton.

Dan


On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:49 PM, WILTON wrote:

 Tim Crone lives in Chapel Hill.
 
 Wilton
 
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 Isn't someone on the list a resident of this area?
 
 There's what appears to be a really nice 300TD for sale there with a manny 
 tranny.
 
 Dan
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[MBZ] Cuban Missile Crisis - Wilton?

2014-04-19 Thread Dan Penoff
I have been listening to Robert Caro's fourth book on Lyndon Johnson's life, 
which in this volume covers the mid 50s through the end of his presidency.  
Pretty interesting stuff for a very scary period of time.

While listening to the portion that covered the Cuban Missile Crisis, I was 
wondering if Wilton was doing his B-52 stuff at the time and would be 
interested to hear his experiences, if he can divulge them.

Wilton?



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[MBZ] W116 motor mounts, is there a left and a right?

2014-04-19 Thread Allan Streib
I have a couple of motor mounts that I bought from Rusty quite a while
back and am thinking tomorrow I might finally get around to installing
them. I don't recall if there is a left and a right they look pretty
much the same but have slightly different numbers, 123 241 3013 and 123
241 2713. Anyone have a description for those?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Cuban Missile Crisis - Wilton?

2014-04-19 Thread Mountain Man
Dan wrote:
 ...Pretty interesting stuff for a very scary period of time.

My friend escaped from Poland in 1981 and recently mentioned the scary
time that could have been the big one in 1983 - in Poland.  What was
that?  Nothing comes to mind.  The push back against socialism in
Poland was evidently bloodless, but the scary bit happened shortly
after that revolution but I did not ask what that scary bit was?  My
friend indicates it could have been huge.
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Cuban Missile Crisis - Wilton?

2014-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley

Mountain Man wrote:

Dan wrote:

...Pretty interesting stuff for a very scary period of time.


My friend escaped from Poland in 1981 and recently mentioned the scary
time that could have been the big one in 1983 - in Poland.  What was
that? 


Solidarność was founded in 1980.
From 1981-1983, they had martial law to suppress it.
It was banned outright in late 1982.
Reagan had economic sanctions against Poland about then.
Perhaps it came to a head in 1983?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Solidarity#Martial_law_.281981.E2.80.9383.29

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Re: [MBZ] W116 motor mounts, is there a left and a right?

2014-04-19 Thread Frederick Moir
Allan.
From the EPC
123 241 30 13 Left mount for a W116.120
123 241 27 13 Right mount for a W116.120
 
Fred Moir 
Lynn MA 
Diesel preferred.



 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 7:44 PM
Subject: [MBZ] W116 motor mounts, is there a left and a right?
 

I have a couple of motor mounts that I bought from Rusty quite a while
back and am thinking tomorrow I might finally get around to installing
them. I don't recall if there is a left and a right they look pretty
much the same but have slightly different numbers, 123 241 3013 and 123
241 2713. Anyone have a description for those?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Cuban Missile Crisis - Wilton?

2014-04-19 Thread Mountain Man
Mitch wrote:
 Perhaps it came to a head in 1983?

I remember names such as Gdansk shipyard and Lec Walensa but nothing
else - hey, I was busy doing dollar stuff and having babies.
mao

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[MBZ] mile high club high mileage at the stealer sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Rick Hawkins Java

Folks

It sounds like the dealer folks were a bit baffled by the sls system

is it circulating hydraulic fluid?

did you open the bleeder valve in the control valve  when opened  
the suspension should drop


on my 82 300td altho the ride is terrible and the car sinks at rest,  
the system maintains ride height when weight is added (such as a  
trailer!)


i'm considering doing oil analysis to my hydraulic fluid to see if  
it's contaminated with oil from the engine via entry from a bad seal  
at the back of the hydraulic pump (it's black)


this is all such a joy

i now have gallons of sls fluid and new ebay spheres for $175 or so  
per pair


i may go on and rebuild the pump seals (i have a spare pump out of the  
car that i could service)


old mercedes cars are not cheap to maintain even if the labor is free!!

i'm hesitant to remove the sls valve because the fittings are prone to  
stripping (the aluminum body threads)


These are my saturday evening sls thoughts


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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[MBZ] Plastic Grid source

2014-04-19 Thread Mountain Man
Can someone help me find plastic grid for use as drain under espresso
cup - see pictures at ebay item 231187400598
See the black grid - I should think this might be similar to garden
supply shelving?
Does anyone have source for this type of grid / mesh?
How about suggestion of search name to use?
It is probably 120mm x 120mm and grid is 10mm X 10mm and 10mm thick -
something similar to whatmight be a drain grid under a planter pot,
perhaps?
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] W116 motor mounts, is there a left and a right?

2014-04-19 Thread Allan Streib
Great, thank you!

Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com writes:

 Allan.
 From the EPC
 123 241 30 13 Left mount for a W116.120
 123 241 27 13 Right mount for a W116.120
  
 Fred Moir 
 Lynn MA 
 Diesel preferred.

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[MBZ] stupid question

2014-04-19 Thread Rick Hawkins Java

are 123 300d and 300td back doors the same or different

specifically will a sedan door fit a wagon or not

rear door, driver's side USA
thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC

2014-04-19 Thread Rich Thomas
My wife's sister lives in CH but she is sitting here next to me under a big 
poodle.  Daughter is in Gboro, driving an SD down here tomorrow 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Apr 19, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

Thanks, Wilton.

Dan


 On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:49 PM, WILTON wrote:
 
 Tim Crone lives in Chapel Hill.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Banned List 
 ban...@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:09 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC
 
 
 Isn't someone on the list a resident of this area?
 
 There's what appears to be a really nice 300TD for sale there with a manny 
 tranny.
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
I tossed the old spheres 3 years ago


On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 Since I installed new spheres it rides less harshly.  I don't notice
 excessive bounciness, but it fails the bounce test at rest (won't recover
 quickly enough after pressure is applied to the rear bumper).


 Well, if it drives OK with the new spheres, I suppose you could put the
 old ones back on and redo the 'safety test' (see, no more boingboing) and
 then put the new ones back on.


 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] stupid question

2014-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
They are very different

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 19, 2014, at 8:01 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote:
 
 are 123 300d and 300td back doors the same or different
 
 specifically will a sedan door fit a wagon or not
 
 rear door, driver's side USA
 thanks,
 
 xx rick
 Rick Hawkins
 
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Re: [MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC

2014-04-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Is poodle a local tree or a hairdo?


On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 My wife's sister lives in CH but she is sitting here next to me under a
 big poodle.  Daughter is in Gboro, driving an SD down here tomorrow

 --R (sent from my miniPad)

 On Apr 19, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Thanks, Wilton.

 Dan


  On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:49 PM, WILTON wrote:
 
  Tim Crone lives in Chapel Hill.
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
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  Subject: [MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC
 
 
  Isn't someone on the list a resident of this area?
 
  There's what appears to be a really nice 300TD for sale there with a
 manny tranny.
 
  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] mile high club high mileage at the stealer sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Thanks, Rich.  I guess I can stop feeling sorry for myself.. My sls fluid
is clear s H2O.


On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote:

 Folks

 It sounds like the dealer folks were a bit baffled by the sls system

 is it circulating hydraulic fluid?

 did you open the bleeder valve in the control valve  when opened the
 suspension should drop

 on my 82 300td altho the ride is terrible and the car sinks at rest, the
 system maintains ride height when weight is added (such as a trailer!)

 i'm considering doing oil analysis to my hydraulic fluid to see if it's
 contaminated with oil from the engine via entry from a bad seal at the back
 of the hydraulic pump (it's black)

 this is all such a joy

 i now have gallons of sls fluid and new ebay spheres for $175 or so per
 pair

 i may go on and rebuild the pump seals (i have a spare pump out of the car
 that i could service)

 old mercedes cars are not cheap to maintain even if the labor is free!!

 i'm hesitant to remove the sls valve because the fittings are prone to
 stripping (the aluminum body threads)

 These are my saturday evening sls thoughts


 thanks,

 xx rick
 Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] Testing times

2014-04-19 Thread OK Don
It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek jab at Apple, and should have read
you are not supposed to use it.

On Saturday, April 19, 2014, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:

 What is that supposed to mean?


 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 7:49 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com javascript:;
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  If you didn't buy it at the apple store, you are supposed to use it. :-)
 
  On Friday, April 18, 2014, Andrew Strasfogel 
  astrasfo...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 
  wrote:
 
   Hey speaking of Apple, how to I find a compatible printer driver for a
   Canon Pixma MP 780?  The computer does NOT recognixe this when I
 connect
  it
   to my IMac.  :((
  
  
  
  
   On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:14 AM, Meade Dillon 
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  javascript:;
   wrote:
  
Ha!
   
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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[MBZ] Donald Snooks Beemer

2014-04-19 Thread Rick Knoble
 ‎He posted to FB a little bit ago that he bought it back...You might get a second chance to buy it, when he sells it again Mitch. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

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Re: [MBZ] Donald Snooks Beemer

2014-04-19 Thread Dan Penoff
Probably has 300k on it now

Dan

Sent from my iPad

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 ‎He posted to FB a little bit ago that he bought it back...
 
 You might get a second chance to buy it, when he sells it again Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Testing apple car

2014-04-19 Thread Hendrik and Fay
If apple made an iCar the bonnet would require a special tool to open 
and if you did manage to open the hood to replace the battery, it would 
void your warranty.


Hendrik
who  is playing games on an ipad but has not opened it up yet

On 20/04/14 11:22, OK Don wrote:

It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek jab at Apple, and should have read
you are not supposed to use it.

On Saturday, April 19, 2014, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:


What is that supposed to mean?






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Re: [MBZ] Cat Food arrest

2014-04-19 Thread Hendrik and Fay

Because if I did, the list police would throw me in jail.

Hendrik
who hears the sirens now

On 20/04/14 04:23, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Hendrik, why is it that you don't write with an Aussie accent?





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Re: [MBZ] 300td sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I tossed the old spheres 3 years ago


I changed mine 8 years ago, so mine were probably recycled long ago too.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] grid

2014-04-19 Thread Rick Hawkins Java

how about some grid like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plastic-Replacement-Grid-for-15-Drip-Tray-Draft-Beer-Tray-Prevent-Splashing-/280928527836?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4168a525dc


thanks,

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[MBZ] sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Rick Hawkins Java
OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can  
adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the  
neutral position if that's where you want it


does that make sense

springs at rest, adjust rod
thanks,

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Re: [MBZ] Cuban Missile Crisis - Wilton?

2014-04-19 Thread WILTON

Well, there's not much to tell, but here it is.

In late October 1962, I was about to finish the flying phase of B-52 Combat 
Crew Training School (CCTS) at Walker AFB, Roswell, NM.  I had flown my last 
training mission and went to the base the following morning to plan for my 
final check ride (performance evaluation flight), which was scheduled for 
the next day.  As I parked my car, I noticed much more activity than usual. 
Entering the building, I was surprised to see all of the instructors wearing 
side arms and flight suits.  When I inquired about all the activity, my 
instructor told me about the President's speech of the previous day and that 
all of the instructors were on alert.  The Cuban Missile Crisis was on - I 
had missed news about it the previous day because of my long flight.  The 
instructors told us students to be at a meeting at the Officers Club at 1300 
(1:00 PM).
At 1300, the school commandant informed us, The school is closed; go to 
your home bases immediately.  Several of my classmates who had been on B-47 
crews went back to their old units and went on alert with B-47's, some of 
which dispersed to municipal airports or remote sites out in the desert.  My 
wife, Alice, the children and I left New Mexico early the next morning.  My 
home base was to be Robins AFB, GA, but my B-52G unit there was temporarily 
at Loring AFB, ME, because of runway repairs at Robins.  Not knowing if I 
may have to go on to Loring soon after arriving at Robins, I drove Alice and 
the children on to her parents' home near Nashville, NC, before I went to 
Robins.
The administrators at Robins were not very concerned about my going on to 
Loring - 'told me to get the family settled, etc.  The following weekend, I 
drove back to NC and took Alice and the children back down to Robins.  There 
we bought a house and moved in.  On base I did lieutenant gofer jobs. 
'Drove down to McCoy AFB, FL, for a two-week airborne guided missile course; 
'even flew as a passenger aboard an Air Force C-54 to deliver top secret 
emergency war order materials to a planning officer in our unit at Loring. 
In December, a couple of other trainees I drove back to California to attend 
another two-week guided missile course.  By January, the rest of my unit had 
returned to Robins, and by mid-January, I finally started flying B-52 
training missions again - I had not been in the airplane for at least 2½ 
months; needless to say, I was really rusty and did not perform very 
impressively on these first few missions.  I passed a check ride, anyway, 
was declared combat- ready and started pulling ground alert duty about 
mid-February '63.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:15 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Cuban Missile Crisis - Wilton?


I have been listening to Robert Caro's fourth book on Lyndon Johnson's 
life, which in this volume covers the mid 50s through the end of his 
presidency.  Pretty interesting stuff for a very scary period of time.


While listening to the portion that covered the Cuban Missile Crisis, I 
was wondering if Wilton was doing his B-52 stuff at the time and would be 
interested to hear his experiences, if he can divulge them.


Wilton?



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Re: [MBZ] sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley

Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust 
the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral 
position if that's where you want it




I'd still like to know what makes Andy's wagon go boing, boing, boing.
Would having too high a spring rate on the steel springs cause it to be 
oversprung and underdamped to the point where it would fail a does it bounce 
more than twice? test?


More to the point of passing safety inspection, does it get better or worse with 
ten bags of softener salt in the back?

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] grid

2014-04-19 Thread Rick Knoble
Or this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321378831193?redirect=mobile

http://m.ebay.com/itm/321378831193?nav=SEARCH

Rick
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Subject: [MBZ] grid


how about some grid like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plastic-Replacement-Grid-for-15-Drip-Tray-Draft-Beer-Tray-Prevent-Splashing-/280928527836?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4168a525dc


thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Craig
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 23:28:54 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 More to the point of passing safety inspection, does it get better or
 worse with ten bags of softener salt in the back?

Now that would be a simple fix for the inspection. It could be simulated
without buying the salt by having one or more persons sit in the back.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC

2014-04-19 Thread Meade Dillon
Let me put it this way.  These poodles get excited about hunting cats about
10x what wakes you up each day.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 19, 2014 9:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is poodle a local tree or a hairdo?


 On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  My wife's sister lives in CH but she is sitting here next to me under a
  big poodle.  Daughter is in Gboro, driving an SD down here tomorrow
 
  --R (sent from my miniPad)
 
  On Apr 19, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
  Thanks, Wilton.
 
  Dan
 
 
   On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:49 PM, WILTON wrote:
  
   Tim Crone lives in Chapel Hill.
  
   Wilton
  
   - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
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   Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:09 PM
   Subject: [MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC
  
  
   Isn't someone on the list a resident of this area?
  
   There's what appears to be a really nice 300TD for sale there with a
  manny tranny.
  
   Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC

2014-04-19 Thread astrasfogel
 LOL!
--

Saturday, 19 April 2014, 11:59PM -0400 from Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com:
Let me put it this way.  These poodles get excited about hunting cats about
10x what wakes you up each day.
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 19, 2014 9:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  astrasfo...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Is poodle a local tree or a hairdo?


 On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Rich Thomas 
  richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:

  My wife's sister lives in CH but she is sitting here next to me under a
  big poodle.  Daughter is in Gboro, driving an SD down here tomorrow
 
  --R (sent from my miniPad)
 
  On Apr 19, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff  d...@penoff.com  wrote:
 
  Thanks, Wilton.
 
  Dan
 
 
   On Apr 19, 2014, at 5:49 PM, WILTON wrote:
  
   Tim Crone lives in Chapel Hill.
  
   Wilton
  
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   Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:09 PM
   Subject: [MBZ] Chapel Hill, NC
  
  
   Isn't someone on the list a resident of this area?
  
   There's what appears to be a really nice 300TD for sale there with a
  manny tranny.
  
   Dan
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Re: [MBZ] grid

2014-04-19 Thread astrasfogel
 Now I want one too,
--

Saturday, 19 April 2014, 11:52PM -0400 from Rick Knoble 
rickkno...@hotmail.com:
Or this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321378831193?redirect=mobile
http://m.ebay.com/itm/321378831193?nav=SEARCH
Rick
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From: Rick Hawkins Java
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 10:18 PM
To:  mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] grid
how about some grid like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plastic-Replacement-Grid-for-15-Drip-Tray-Draft-Beer-Tray-Prevent-Splashing-/280928527836?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4168a525dc
thanks,
xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread astrasfogel
 That I can try on my own - great idea.
--

Saturday, 19 April 2014, 11:28PM -0400 from Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net:
Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
 OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust
 the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral
 position if that's where you want it

I'd still like to know what makes Andy's wagon go boing, boing, boing.
Would having too high a spring rate on the steel springs cause it to be
oversprung and underdamped to the point where it would fail a does it bounce
more than twice? test?
More to the point of passing safety inspection, does it get better or worse with
ten bags of softener salt in the back?
Mitch
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Re: [MBZ] Testing apple times

2014-04-19 Thread Peter Frederick
Here are some tips for cleaning Epson printer heads (I've done more  
than a few, just finished up reviving an old R800 head for use in an  
R2880).


First, the dye inks do NOT dry out in the printer.  They become very  
viscous, but do not dry.  Pigment inks do indeed dry down, but are  
readily resuspended.


Second, cleaning cycles are only good for removing air, they will NOT  
fix plugs, and paradoxically, make things worse by applying a vacuum  
to the whole head.  When the head is moved off the seal, gumming ink  
results in a vacuum still inside, and air is sucked up from the  
bottom, preventing the ink from being fired.


Third, the clogs from sitting unused are almost always ink collecting  
on the bottom of the head and plugging the nozzles.  You can suck in  
through the print head forever, and if you don't remove the collected  
grunge it will not print.  It DOES drip ink all over, but the droplets  
will not fire onto the paper.


To clean one in this condition:

Install cartridges filled with ink -- aftermarkets with third party  
ink is a best choice, you may use quite a bit and Epson cartridges are  
expensive for cleaning.  If you want, once you get it cleared out you  
can switch back.


Turn the printer on and press the ink cartridge button.  Once the  
carriage parks in the cartridge replacement station, unplug the  
printer WITHOUT turning it off.  This leaves the carriage free to move  
by hand.


Fold a paper towel to fit in the channel the printhead travels in over  
the paper.  It needs to be thick enough to actually touch the  
prinheatd but thin enough to push the printhead over.  Saturate the  
paper towel with Windex or other spray glass cleaner.  I'm not sure I  
would use 409, it might be too strong.  Lay the towel in the channel  
and wipe the printhead over it.  Likely it will instantly turn black  
with gummy ink.  Remove the towel and replace with a fresh one,  
adjusting thickness as necessary to gently wipe the bottom of the  
printhead until you get obvious traces of the correct ink colors.


Get a spray bottle of windex or other glass cleaner and carefully fill  
the sponge and seal of the cartridge cappping station.  Use a dry  
paper towel to blot up the dissolved ink until the station is mostly  
clean.  Wipe down the rubber seal, make sure it is not gummy with  
dried ink.


Fill the sponge in the capping station with Windex and push the  
carriage over it.  Briefly plug the printer in until the carriage  
drops onto the seal and unplug it again.  You don't want the pump to  
suck the Windex out, you want to soak the bottom of the head.  Leave  
it at least a couple hours.  Overnight is better.


Next day plug the printer in and turn it on.  It should do a quick  
cleaning cycle.  Print a nozzle check.  If you are really lucky, you  
will get at least most of the nozzles firing.  Ignore the fact that  
the ink colors are likely wrong, you have been mixing the ink with  
cleaner and it will wick up into the nozzle chambers randomly.


If you have a decent number of clear nozzles, print a purge page  
(marruttusa.com has a selection).  By the end of the page, you should  
be able to tell if you have decent ink flow or not.  Drips of ink onto  
the page means you have Windex in the nozzles, it causes ink  to  
leak.  This is not a big issue a this point.


Print another nozzle check. Should be better.  If not, do a clean  
cycle but unplug the printer when the wiper blade is up -- it's beside  
the capping station, watch for the printer to flip it up to wipe the  
printhead.  Crap built up on the wiper simply plugs the nozzles by  
wiping gummy dried ink into them, hardly a way to clear them.  Wipe it  
down with windex, make sure it's quite clean.


Plug it back in and do one clean cycle, then print a nozzle check.   
With some luck, a dye printer will be working pretty well by now.   
Pigment printers require more work, usually.


If a couple cycles of soaking and printing purge pages doesn't do the  
trick, you will have to find some syringes and plastic tubing that  
will fit over the spikes the cartridges connect to on the printhead.   
push the ink button and unplug the printer when the carriage is free.   
Remove the cartridges, and fold up a dry paper towel to fit under the  
printhead.  Heat some windex in the microwave -- you can add some  
glycerin if you have it to raise the viscocity, it helps later -- and  
fill a syringe with the hot windex and attach some tubing to allow you  
to connect to the spike.  Push the tubing over the spike for whatever  
color isn't working right, and move the carriage over the dry paper  
towel.  GENTLY press on the syringe plunger to force hot windex  
through the printhead.  If it won't move under gentle pressure, pull  
back on the syringe to suck the gummy ink up out of the printhead.   
Don't pull too hard, you don't want to blow any seals.  You may have  
to repeat the pull, release, press, release, pull, etc 

Re: [MBZ] sls troubles

2014-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey
OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can 
adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the 
neutral position if that's where you want it


Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so
that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops.

-- Jim



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