Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque
OK Don wrote: IIRC, the V8 has more torque, which is what a truck needs. Fmiser wrote: Well, no. Not really. But sort of. Jim wrote: It's a good first approximation. Torque maps to acceleration, whereas horsepower maps to top speed. A 200HP 400#' engine will likely be _far_ more drivable than a 300HP 200#' engine, assuming equivalence in other broad parameters. (RPM range, reasonable number of gears, etc.) The physics principles say no - horsepower is horsepower. But - the perception of the person controlling the engine speed says Physics - go jump in a lake!. I suspect your definition of drivable is probably similar to mine - if high RPM (with high noise and high fuel use) is necessary to access the torque then it is less pleasant to drive. Thus if your 200 HP engine required high RPM to get it's 400 lbs-ft of torque but the 300 HP engine had it's 200 lbs-ft available from a low RPM I think we would consider the 300 HP more drivable. (I realize that with most modern internal combustion engines the scenario I just mentioned is unlikely). So with a suitable transmission, and a willingness to put the engine in the right RPM range, the 300 HP engine will out accelerate the 200 HP. Probably. Though torque curves, transmission ratios, RPM limits, etc. really muddle things. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque vs nuts
It's horses for courses, if you're likely to tow a lot and load the truck up then yeah a bigger more torquey engine would be the go but to add some perspective, modern Merc V6 engines produce more horsepower than the Euro version M100 but not as much torque. However if you do the occasional tow and load er up now and then, a smaller more efficient engine would be alright. Guess it also comes down to which is the better engine, no point cheaping out with the V6 if the V8 is a more reliable engine. How much extra do they want for a manly Diesel version, you could put vertical stacks on it and some air horns and hang out at truck stops. Oooh don't forget the balls out the back http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_nuts Hendrik who has a wimpy 4 banger ute, which needs a good tune up On 30/07/14 14:10, Fmiser via Mercedes wrote: OK Don wrote: IIRC, the V8 has more torque, which is what a truck needs. Fmiser wrote: Well, no. Not really. But sort of. Jim wrote: It's a good first approximation. Torque maps to acceleration, whereas horsepower maps to top speed. A 200HP 400#' engine will likely be _far_ more drivable than a 300HP 200#' engine, assuming equivalence in other broad parameters. (RPM range, reasonable number of gears, etc.) The physics principles say no - horsepower is horsepower. But - the perception of the person controlling the engine speed says Physics - go jump in a lake!. I suspect your definition of drivable is probably similar to mine - if high RPM (with high noise and high fuel use) is necessary to access the torque then it is less pleasant to drive. Thus if your 200 HP engine required high RPM to get it's 400 lbs-ft of torque but the 300 HP engine had it's 200 lbs-ft available from a low RPM I think we would consider the 300 HP more drivable. (I realize that with most modern internal combustion engines the scenario I just mentioned is unlikely). So with a suitable transmission, and a willingness to put the engine in the right RPM range, the 300 HP engine will out accelerate the 200 HP. Probably. Though torque curves, transmission ratios, RPM limits, etc. really muddle things. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque vs nuts
How much extra do they want for a manly Diesel version, you could put vertical stacks on it and some air horns and hang out at truck stops. Oooh don't forget the balls out the back http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_nuts Yes on the diesel. Last I looked it was about a $3k option up front, but around here you get it all back on resale. Hell no on those stupid stacks, merely an excellent way to convert a truck capable of hauling things into one that is not. Air horns very much yes, I've got a (broken) set on mine. Were great fun while they lasted. Ambivalent about the TruckNutz. I don't want 'em, no way, but I always wanted to see a studly cowgirl in a big truck have the opposite number on her ride. But I have an odd sense of humor, sometimes. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque
I suspect your definition of drivable is probably similar to mine Probably. I distinguish between drivable and race-able. If you have to downshift in order to accelerate, for _normal_ driving, that's bad. So with a suitable transmission, and a willingness to put the engine in the right RPM range, the 300 HP engine will out accelerate the 200 HP. Probably. Though torque curves, transmission ratios, RPM limits, etc. really muddle things. Yes. But you are going to have to use a racer mindset to do it. For drivability, IMHO, you want a system whose torque curve _rises_ as RPM falls, rather than drops off precipitously. Those tend to hold their speed when the load increases, like on small gradients. Sucks to have to drop a gear on a 0.1% grade. Peaky engines can win races, if they've got enough gears, but it's a lot of work to drive that sort of thing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] New W211
Well, I've placed a deposit on an '07 E320 Bluetec with a scant 36k miles. Car is in Oklahoma City and I have the logistics worked out to go fetch it, with the exception of talking Kaleb into buying my S420. Hint, hint. Free delivery... Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] New W211
Well I am sure something can be arranged. I am right on the way to OKC. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Tom Savage via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I've placed a deposit on an '07 E320 Bluetec with a scant 36k miles. Car is in Oklahoma City and I have the logistics worked out to go fetch it, with the exception of talking Kaleb into buying my S420. Hint, hint. Free delivery... Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] New W211
Ps where are you buying it from? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Tom Savage via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I've placed a deposit on an '07 E320 Bluetec with a scant 36k miles. Car is in Oklahoma City and I have the logistics worked out to go fetch it, with the exception of talking Kaleb into buying my S420. Hint, hint. Free delivery... Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque - was: OT: How is this game played exactly?
Now, if I understand correctly, if my pickup has the required torque to pull the 4000 lb. trailer up Grapevine, and your lawn tractor doesn't, I'll be moving and you won't. With gearing both will do the job. I've been using the terms not in a physics sense, but more in a drivability sense. I assume the normal number of gears on vehicles designed for optimal driving up to and including freeway speeds. That narrows things down a lot. My truck is on the torquey side. Carrying its 3000# camper, I can go up mild grades, and even accelerate, in 5th gear. For steeper grades I have to drop to 4th, but having done so I can still maintain any freeway speed I like. I have run into exactly one hill where I have to drop to 3rd, with a top speed of 45 (?) MPH, and that's the grade climbing out of Jackson Hole, Wyo. If I had another gear, or maybe 50 more HP or so, I could probably maintain speed going up that too. It just doesn't quite have enough torque to maintain speed going up in 4th, so I end up in 3 at redline and only partial throttle, while everybody behind me curses my name all the way up. It's narrow, steep, and windy, and only two lanes. The newer trucks would eat my lunch, I think my truck was rated maybe 200HP/300#', I think they're currently pushing 300HP/600#', and have six gears not five. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] New W211
Tell us about your S420. Please. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 30, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Tom Savage via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I've placed a deposit on an '07 E320 Bluetec with a scant 36k miles. Car is in Oklahoma City and I have the logistics worked out to go fetch it, with the exception of talking Kaleb into buying my S420. Hint, hint. Free delivery... Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt
OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea I'm reminded of when the lunar colony revolted in the novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. They didn't have interplanetary weapons, but they had big engineless freight ships, they had a magnetic catapult that could hurl them beyond the moon's gravity, and they had lots of rock to fill them with. They could simply aim them to land on earth instead of going into harmless orbits. They announced the time and the locations of the first wave of rock-bombs. Thousands of idiots showed up to watch the impacts. The TV news idiots thought we'd been hit with nuclear weapons. Apparently they'd never heard what happens when meteors hit the earth. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt
I say we take off and nuke the whole site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. BTW those are called mass drivers and are great fun. I think Heinlein gave a brief explication of why the moon was a great place to base space exploration from, being mostly outside Earth's gravity well, having plenty of power and materials and advantageous launch conditions. One thing he sorta got wrong in the story was the limited supply of iron to work as the vessel for the rocks, you can just use a carriage sort of deal to bring the payload up to escape velocity, then capture and reuse the carriage (and reclaim some energy in the process). Or go capture a big nickel-iron asteroid and have plenty of magnetic stuff. --R On 7/30/14 10:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea I'm reminded of when the lunar colony revolted in the novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. They didn't have interplanetary weapons, but they had big engineless freight ships, they had a magnetic catapult that could hurl them beyond the moon's gravity, and they had lots of rock to fill them with. They could simply aim them to land on earth instead of going into harmless orbits. They announced the time and the locations of the first wave of rock-bombs. Thousands of idiots showed up to watch the impacts. The TV news idiots thought we'd been hit with nuclear weapons. Apparently they'd never heard what happens when meteors hit the earth. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] New W211
why not daewoo? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Tom Savage via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I've placed a deposit on an '07 E320 Bluetec with a scant 36k miles. Car is in Oklahoma City and I have the logistics worked out to go fetch it, with the exception of talking Kaleb into buying my S420. Hint, hint. Free delivery... Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque - was: OT: How is this game played exactly?
Let me suggest that your statement is more theoretical than practical. On the street, you want torque. If you are a Nascar racer on the track, you want horsepower. Randy On 29/07/2014 7:34 PM, Fmiser via Mercedes wrote: OK wrote: IIRC, the V8 has more torque, which is what a truck needs. Well, no. Not really. But sort of. Nothing against you Don, but this is a very common miss-perception. So I'm not picking on you - just using your comment as motivation to respond. *smiles* Torque is rotational force. There can be torque with no movement. Unless there is movement, no work is being done. If there is torque, and movement occurs - then work is being done. With a stopwatch (or calendar?) you can measure how fast the work is being done. This is horsepower [or watts]. If you have an engine with a fixed horsepower attached to a transmission (presuming an infinite ratio and lossless - which doesn't exist) the torque can be any value at all. For high torque, it will be moving slow - but for low torque it will be moving fast. If we don't change the diameter of the tire, the torque on the axle necessary to pull a 4000 lb [1800 kg] trailer up Grapevine out of Los Angeles is fixed. So if your your 400 hp pickup and my 7 hp garden tractor have the same size tire, the torque needed is the same. The difference is speed. Your pickup will get to the top a lot faster than my tractor because the axle can turn faster because your engine has more horsepower. So far it's very clear - but then reality rears it's ugly head. Transmissions have fixed ratios and losses. Engine ratings are for _maximum_ horsepower - but the actual horsepower and torque vary depending on speed. This makes it almost impossible to actually do an apples-to-apples comparison. Nevertheless, looking at the torque value is pretty meaningless. If you look at the torque values for various engine RPM, you can get a clue as to how usable the power is. If there is little torque at low RPM, then high RPM will be needed to get useable power. This makes it feel like the driver has to work the engine harder to get the job done. So - to repeat. Just a torque value is nearly meaningless. Torque at a particular RPM is useful - but that is by definition horsepower! -- Philip ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt
On 29/07/2014 8:23 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: I am thinking we should be more ecologically friendly in our munitions. Various sized gravel and stones at terminal velocity would be swift and have no lasting toxic effects. A day after the event, it is all good, twenty years on, no birth defects or cancer. On top of that, no bad PR from pix of naked girls running down the road after being napalmed. Even better, if the plane gets hit, nothing explodes prematurely, and the cost of munitions is dirt cheap clay One problem with that is that the enemy can gather them up and then throw them back at you. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
On 29/07/2014 8:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What countries is she passing through, to get where exactly? She who must be admired? Uh, did you really ask that question? So, let me see, if you were on the west coast of the USA and wanted to drive to Alaska, what countries do you think you would go through? Let me go on to suggest Canada. The 2 boarder crossings will be to leave the USA and go into Canada, and then to leave Canada and re-enter the USA. Unless she plans a significant detour and I doubt that is likely if she needs to do this in 5 days. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Somewhat like physics, geography doesn't, lie, though some try to stretch and bend/distort it, depending on the politics of the day.;) BTW, will she be able to see Russia? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? On 29/07/2014 8:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What countries is she passing through, to get where exactly? She who must be admired? Uh, did you really ask that question? So, let me see, if you were on the west coast of the USA and wanted to drive to Alaska, what countries do you think you would go through? Let me go on to suggest Canada. The 2 boarder crossings will be to leave the USA and go into Canada, and then to leave Canada and re-enter the USA. Unless she plans a significant detour and I doubt that is likely if she needs to do this in 5 days. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 05:12:43 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So with a suitable transmission, and a willingness to put the engine in the right RPM range, the 300 HP engine will out accelerate the 200 HP. Probably. Though torque curves, transmission ratios, RPM limits, etc. really muddle things. Yes. But you are going to have to use a racer mindset to do it. For drivability, IMHO, you want a system whose torque curve _rises_ as RPM falls, rather than drops off precipitously. Those tend to hold their speed when the load increases, like on small gradients. Sucks to have to drop a gear on a 0.1% grade. Peaky engines can win races, if they've got enough gears, but it's a lot of work to drive that sort of thing. Good explanation, Jim. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt
http://ottawa-rasc.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Odale-Articles-WestHawk On 30/07/2014 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea I'm reminded of when the lunar colony revolted in the novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. They didn't have interplanetary weapons, but they had big engineless freight ships, they had a magnetic catapult that could hurl them beyond the moon's gravity, and they had lots of rock to fill them with. They could simply aim them to land on earth instead of going into harmless orbits. They announced the time and the locations of the first wave of rock-bombs. Thousands of idiots showed up to watch the impacts. The TV news idiots thought we'd been hit with nuclear weapons. Apparently they'd never heard what happens when meteors hit the earth. Mitch. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT I am so angry
What car are you talking about? On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:10 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I got screwed over in March. Shop hosted a club event and I bit on their offer of reduced rates to have work done. The tech was not qualified to work on a D-jet system and buggered it up very well. It now stumbles and backfires as well as runs overly rich. It was having some minor backfiring before, but now it runs poorly. They write up this big list of all manner of work they can still do, and it comes to close to $10k. I talked to a few other members and they too got screwed over. My standard indy has been honest about how hard it is to work on getting the thing right. He is averse to throwing parts at it, which was what the other shop did. I took the SL to him to get the steering lock changed out with the fleabay one. Stealership did not get the new tumbler in over three months after I ordered it. I took the old one to a locksmith, who cut new code keys and cleaned the lock. I went back to my indy to get the lock changed out. It took him less than a half hour. Minimal charge is for half hour. I whip out my wallet, and he tells me to go home, it was on him. The ten minute fixes and fast hops on the lift normally get the same treatment clay On Jul 29, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: shops gouge you. depending on how busy they are and who he talks to, that same job is 400 instead of 1200. i guess the microecoomist calls this price discrimation. you get what you can and that is different from everyone there is someone who will do this job for less than half and do it well enough. he's just gotta go talk to people to find it On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The boy in DC has been driving the 98 Cad. Calls me the other day and says the brake light has come on, brakes are a bit mushy, so I tell him to take it to a shop. He does that today. They give him a quote of $703. I call and talk to the guy. $80 for rear pads (I put new ones on the front not that long ago, they are like $20 a set). $88x2 for rear rotors which may be sorta reasonable, fluid and flush for $139, and $227 for labor. Their labor rate was for 1.7hr. $48 for shop fees which includes rags and brake cleaner, a standard charge. Total BS. I guess that sorta adds up with taxes and such. Reluctantly after going over the fluid/flush number (how hard is that?) I tell them to go ahead since he needs the car and has no time to deal with this stuff and the car has not required a lot of work over the years, so whatever. So then they call him and say there is a problem with the a brake line leaking. I am thinking maybe a flex line. I call them back, the guy says a front hard line is cracked or something and is leaking, which is why the pedal was soft. I ask what that will cost, he tells me the total is now $1228. Over $500 to replace a hard line? WTF??? So I tell the guy that seems quite excessive, a line is maybe $30 and how long to replace it? $500 labor to replace a line? Then he tells me, well, you know, we have to do flairs, and those are hard to get right, then there is blahblahblah I tell him to move the car out, my son will come get it and take it somewhere else. Then he starts in, Well if you don't want quality work done that's your choice and I hang up. I am just so angry at these guys trying to screw over customers who are sorta over a barrel. The brake line thing is probably BS too but what are you gonna do? My wife had a patient who worked for a dealer as a mech, and then for an indy, he would tell her these stories about how they would find problems and jack the prices up, then do nothing to the car but charge for it. He said it was just standard behavior on all these guys he had ever run across. He finally quit and does work for people on the side, cash, and said he was making OK money and happy he was doing the right thing. So anyway I told him to go find a Sears or a Midas or something to do the brake job, how hard can that be and it won't be anywhere near $1200. I know, Midas and Sears, but Hell I could ship my tools and fly up there and still be like $800 ahead. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:54 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Somewhat like physics, geography doesn't, lie, though some try to stretch and bend/distort it, depending on the politics of the day.;) BTW, will she be able to see Russia? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? On 29/07/2014 8:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What countries is she passing through, to get where exactly? She who must be admired? Uh, did you really ask that question? So, let me see, if you were on the west coast of the USA and wanted to drive to Alaska, what countries do you think you would go through? Let me go on to suggest Canada. The 2 boarder crossings will be to leave the USA and go into Canada, and then to leave Canada and re-enter the USA. Unless she plans a significant detour and I doubt that is likely if she needs to do this in 5 days. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
In the winter you can... Dan there's a beautiful woman behind every tree on Adak Sent from my iPad On Jul 30, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:54 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Somewhat like physics, geography doesn't, lie, though some try to stretch and bend/distort it, depending on the politics of the day.;) BTW, will she be able to see Russia? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly? On 29/07/2014 8:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What countries is she passing through, to get where exactly? She who must be admired? Uh, did you really ask that question? So, let me see, if you were on the west coast of the USA and wanted to drive to Alaska, what countries do you think you would go through? Let me go on to suggest Canada. The 2 boarder crossings will be to leave the USA and go into Canada, and then to leave Canada and re-enter the USA. Unless she plans a significant detour and I doubt that is likely if she needs to do this in 5 days. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
Was Palin's bridge to nowhere going to Russia? Didn't it get built? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
That belonged to the state senator, Ted something. Dan On Jul 30, 2014, at 12:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Was Palin's bridge to nowhere going to Russia? Didn't it get built? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
It was Tina Fey, a comedian on Saturday Night Live, when portraying Palin (and they look remarkable similar) said, I can see Russia Unfortunately those who do not like Palin erroneously attribute this quote to her to make her appear stupid. (There might be other evidence for that, but not this particular meme) The Bridge to Nowhere was the work of the Senator Stevens from AL who got indicted on corruption and such, got defeated, then it was dismissed for prosecutorial misconduct, then he died in a plane crash. Palin was apparently for it before she was against it, but it did not get built. Keep your facts organized, your opinions disorganized. Merka! --R On 7/30/14 12:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Was Palin's bridge to nowhere going to Russia? Didn't it get built? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
You can see Russia from a few select locations, islands, of course, that belong to the US. Dan On Jul 30, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It was Tina Fey, a comedian on Saturday Night Live, when portraying Palin (and they look remarkable similar) said, I can see Russia Unfortunately those who do not like Palin erroneously attribute this quote to her to make her appear stupid. (There might be other evidence for that, but not this particular meme) The Bridge to Nowhere was the work of the Senator Stevens from AL who got indicted on corruption and such, got defeated, then it was dismissed for prosecutorial misconduct, then he died in a plane crash. Palin was apparently for it before she was against it, but it did not get built. Keep your facts organized, your opinions disorganized. Merka! --R On 7/30/14 12:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Was Palin's bridge to nowhere going to Russia? Didn't it get built? On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: LOL! Even if you can see Russia I doubt you can drive there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt
Your thought about fighting with rocks reminds me of the kinetic energy weapon that was supposedly developed during the cold war by Russia .. I think it was called Stalins Hammer [could be wrong on that] ... I've heard that USA also played with them.. but very little has been disclosed [always a sign that something really did happen with a government program]. The principle design feature is dropping a titanium [or depleted uranium or some magic dense material] pole from space with guidance fins. The device accelerates to an entry contact speed of something on the order of 60,000 MPH and imparts impact energy on the 5 mega ton range, with no fallout, but maximum penetration. The other major design element of this device is there is zero launch signature, such as you have with an ICBM. Time to Deliver impact anywhere in the world from launch is published as 4 minutes. Improved death through improved technology... as always.. http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/rods-from-god-a-terrifying-space-weapon.html On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea I'm reminded of when the lunar colony revolted in the novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. They didn't have interplanetary weapons, but they had big engineless freight ships, they had a magnetic catapult that could hurl them beyond the moon's gravity, and they had lots of rock to fill them with. They could simply aim them to land on earth instead of going into harmless orbits. They announced the time and the locations of the first wave of rock-bombs. Thousands of idiots showed up to watch the impacts. The TV news idiots thought we'd been hit with nuclear weapons. Apparently they'd never heard what happens when meteors hit the earth. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt
Also known as the clean or neutron bomb IIRC. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Your thought about fighting with rocks reminds me of the kinetic energy weapon that was supposedly developed during the cold war by Russia .. I think it was called Stalins Hammer [could be wrong on that] ... I've heard that USA also played with them.. but very little has been disclosed [always a sign that something really did happen with a government program]. The principle design feature is dropping a titanium [or depleted uranium or some magic dense material] pole from space with guidance fins. The device accelerates to an entry contact speed of something on the order of 60,000 MPH and imparts impact energy on the 5 mega ton range, with no fallout, but maximum penetration. The other major design element of this device is there is zero launch signature, such as you have with an ICBM. Time to Deliver impact anywhere in the world from launch is published as 4 minutes. Improved death through improved technology... as always.. http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/rods-from-god-a-terrifying-space-weapon.html On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There is a reason why bombs are shaped the way they are with fins on the back end - they tend to land where you aimed them better than random shaped objects. It doesn't help much if your non-toxic bombs don't hit the target. Otherwise, I like your idea I'm reminded of when the lunar colony revolted in the novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. They didn't have interplanetary weapons, but they had big engineless freight ships, they had a magnetic catapult that could hurl them beyond the moon's gravity, and they had lots of rock to fill them with. They could simply aim them to land on earth instead of going into harmless orbits. They announced the time and the locations of the first wave of rock-bombs. Thousands of idiots showed up to watch the impacts. The TV news idiots thought we'd been hit with nuclear weapons. Apparently they'd never heard what happens when meteors hit the earth. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: How is this game played exactly?
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:19:30 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You can see Russia from a few select locations, islands, of course, that belong to the US. Maybe Big Diomede Island in the Bering Strait. Nikolskoye Kamchatka Krai and the small island to its southeast are too far from Attu Island to be seen. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque - was: OT: How is this game played exactly?
Which is what pleases me about the 6spd in the F150 (and some Chevys too) which gives a nice low first and a good high 6th. -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: OK Don okd...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque - was: OT: How is this game played exactly? On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:42:06 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK Phillip - thanks for the clear explanation! Now, if I understand correctly, if my pickup has the required torque to pull the 4000 lb. trailer up Grapevine, and your lawn tractor doesn't, I'll be moving and you won't. So torque does matter, but more HP with the required torque means the work gets performed faster. Insufficient torque means no work is done. No, lower torque means the work is done more slowly. With the right gearing, tires, and weight, a lawn tractor motor can move an 80,000 pound semi trailer up the Grapevine, just like a 1500 HP semi tractor. Except slower. If Curt wants to haul a load of gravel to camp, he'll need a minimum amount of torque to accomplish the job, regardless of how fast it gets done. Did I get it right? Ummm ... no, not quite. You forgot about the requisite gearing. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque vs nuts
No diesels in half ton Fords. Dodge is the only one that does that and it only comes in the fully tarted $50,000 monster... I'm back to looking at used trucks, I can't believe I'd never looked at Autotrader before. Turns out a Toyota dealership I pass every day has a couple trucks I'm interested in for around half what I would have paid for a new one. -Curt From: Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque vs nuts It's horses for courses, if you're likely to tow a lot and load the truck up then yeah a bigger more torquey engine would be the go but to add some perspective, modern Merc V6 engines produce more horsepower than the Euro version M100 but not as much torque. However if you do the occasional tow and load er up now and then, a smaller more efficient engine would be alright. Guess it also comes down to which is the better engine, no point cheaping out with the V6 if the V8 is a more reliable engine. How much extra do they want for a manly Diesel version, you could put vertical stacks on it and some air horns and hang out at truck stops. Oooh don't forget the balls out the back http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_nuts Hendrik who has a wimpy 4 banger ute, which needs a good tune up On 30/07/14 14:10, Fmiser via Mercedes wrote: OK Don wrote: IIRC, the V8 has more torque, which is what a truck needs. Fmiser wrote: Well, no. Not really. But sort of. Jim wrote: It's a good first approximation. Torque maps to acceleration, whereas horsepower maps to top speed. A 200HP 400#' engine will likely be _far_ more drivable than a 300HP 200#' engine, assuming equivalence in other broad parameters. (RPM range, reasonable number of gears, etc.) The physics principles say no - horsepower is horsepower. But - the perception of the person controlling the engine speed says Physics - go jump in a lake!. I suspect your definition of drivable is probably similar to mine - if high RPM (with high noise and high fuel use) is necessary to access the torque then it is less pleasant to drive. Thus if your 200 HP engine required high RPM to get it's 400 lbs-ft of torque but the 300 HP engine had it's 200 lbs-ft available from a low RPM I think we would consider the 300 HP more drivable. (I realize that with most modern internal combustion engines the scenario I just mentioned is unlikely). So with a suitable transmission, and a willingness to put the engine in the right RPM range, the 300 HP engine will out accelerate the 200 HP. Probably. Though torque curves, transmission ratios, RPM limits, etc. really muddle things. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK Don
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:18:19 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We are using ATLink WIFI - they have towers in Edmond and Guthrie. It's line-of-site WIFI to an antenna on the hangar roof. Are you close to Nowata, or on the other side of the airport? Something like ATLink might be a possibility - it's less expensive than satellite. I ran across a new (to me, at least) Internet connection scheme recently. The first thing I saw was a sale, now ended, on NeweggFlash at http://www.neweggflash.com/Product/33-409-002?utm_source=NEEmail051514utm_medium=Indexutm_campaign=Photonnm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL051514cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL051514-_-EMC-051514-Index-_-MECH-_-Photon-LB1Emarkgl=1 The website for the people that run it is at http://www.freedompop.com/ From the bottom of that page (yes, the bottom, don't ask me why), FreedomPop is the nation's first wireless Internet provider committed to delivering 100% FREE 4G mobile broadband Internet access. FreedomPop's partnered with leading wholesale 4G Wimax and 4G LTE mobile broadband networks to deliver the fastest high speed Internet available and offer the flexibility of wireless Internet. Replace your at home DSL and cable broadband Internet service today and enjoy the speed, mobility and low cost of FreedomPop's 4G wireless broadband Internet service. What do you guys think? Is it just a substitute for getting Internet access from your 4G phone? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK Don
I *think* the one I'd use is the Straight Talk one though, its similar money and they don't spam the crap out of your email. I was also very unhappy with how un-straightforward Freedom Pop's website is. Looks like they're hiding stuff. -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: OK Don okd...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK Don On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:18:19 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We are using ATLink WIFI - they have towers in Edmond and Guthrie. It's line-of-site WIFI to an antenna on the hangar roof. Are you close to Nowata, or on the other side of the airport? Something like ATLink might be a possibility - it's less expensive than satellite. I ran across a new (to me, at least) Internet connection scheme recently. The first thing I saw was a sale, now ended, on NeweggFlash at http://www.neweggflash.com/Product/33-409-002?utm_source=NEEmail051514utm_medium=Indexutm_campaign=Photonnm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL051514cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL051514-_-EMC-051514-Index-_-MECH-_-Photon-LB1Emarkgl=1 The website for the people that run it is at http://www.freedompop.com/ From the bottom of that page (yes, the bottom, don't ask me why), FreedomPop is the nation's first wireless Internet provider committed to delivering 100% FREE 4G mobile broadband Internet access. FreedomPop's partnered with leading wholesale 4G Wimax and 4G LTE mobile broadband networks to deliver the fastest high speed Internet available and offer the flexibility of wireless Internet. Replace your at home DSL and cable broadband Internet service today and enjoy the speed, mobility and low cost of FreedomPop's 4G wireless broadband Internet service. What do you guys think? Is it just a substitute for getting Internet access from your 4G phone? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque - was: OT: How is this game played exactly?
I chose the F150 over the Chevy based first on the space behind the seat (basic, small cab) - lots in the Ford, NONE in the Chevy, and a bit more load/towing capacity. Really, it was the space behind the seat that made the difference to us. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Which is what pleases me about the 6spd in the F150 (and some Chevys too) which gives a nice low first and a good high 6th. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Cyberdyne S-class
http://jalopnik.com/this-simple-hack-lets-your-mercedes-s-class-become-semi-1612959314/all --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:32:47 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Also known as the clean or neutron bomb IIRC. No, that's something entirely different. Craig On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Your thought about fighting with rocks reminds me of the kinetic energy weapon that was supposedly developed during the cold war by Russia .. I think it was called Stalins Hammer [could be wrong on that] ... I've heard that USA also played with them.. but very little has been disclosed [always a sign that something really did happen with a government program]. The principle design feature is dropping a titanium [or depleted uranium or some magic dense material] pole from space with guidance fins. The device accelerates to an entry contact speed of something on the order of 60,000 MPH and imparts impact energy on the 5 mega ton range, with no fallout, but maximum penetration. The other major design element of this device is there is zero launch signature, such as you have with an ICBM. Time to Deliver impact anywhere in the world from launch is published as 4 minutes. Improved death through improved technology... as always.. http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/rods-from-god-a-terrifying-space-weapon.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Horse power vs. torque - was: OT: How is this game played exactly?
Did you look at the back seat area in the Supercrew? It is huge both with the seat down and with it folded up. Randy On 30/07/2014 3:14 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: I chose the F150 over the Chevy based first on the space behind the seat (basic, small cab) - lots in the Ford, NONE in the Chevy, and a bit more load/towing capacity. Really, it was the space behind the seat that made the difference to us. On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Which is what pleases me about the 6spd in the F150 (and some Chevys too) which gives a nice low first and a good high 6th. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This One's For Wilt
Grant wrote: ...kinetic energy weapon... The new class of Navy carrier has kinetic energy weaponry. Someone here put the link up a month back. The carrier is solar powered and other fascinating stuff. Someone that knows military junque - please correct me. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Rock Auto Closeouts for W124
Here is an example of the emails I get from Rock Auto for close out parts: http://www.rockauto.com/RSS/vehiclefeeds.php?carcode=1193925m=wcl=enhtml=true Yeah, some of it is crap, but there are occasional diamonds in there, like the TRW ball joints, for example. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Oz Merc truck
http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/338/b/5/mad_max_4_fury_road_mercedes_benz_tanker_1_by_maltian-d6wqe0j.jpg Hendrik who has been to Silverton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Oz Merc truck
Looks like a veggie oil conversion for Wachsmuth's Mothra. Dan On Jul 30, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/338/b/5/mad_max_4_fury_road_mercedes_benz_tanker_1_by_maltian-d6wqe0j.jpg Hendrik who has been to Silverton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Number 4 4 sale
http://starmotorsny.com/1964-300se/ Hendrik whose Benz is not quite that black ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
