Re: [MBZ] Nice W108 Rolling Chassis

2014-08-07 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes

You no read Ned's fun comparison?
In case you missed it:

I recently came across an enthusiast's article about the 1970 Mercedes
300SEL 6.3.
The numbers in the article sounded really familiar.  They were very close
to the numbers of my 2006 E320 CDI.  So I looked specs of both cars and
made this table:

Year ~1970~2006

Model 300SEL 6.3   E320 CDI

Curb wt4035 lb3835 lb

Wheel Base  112.8 in 112.4 in

Length   196.9 in 189.7 in

Width   71.3 in  71.3 in

Height 57.9 in   57.0 in

Engine  6.3 liter SI3.2 liter CI

Type  DOHC V8  DOHC I6 Turbo

Fuel  Gasoline Diesel

Power   250 hp201 hp

Torque 369 lb-ft   369 lb-ft

Transmission4–spd auto5-spd auto

0 to 60   6.5 sec   6.6 sec

¼ mile 15.1 sec   15.3 sec

Top Speed   137 mph  130 mph

Fuel Mileage   ~ 15.2 mpg  27 city / 37 hwy mpg

Hwy Range  410 mi on 27 gal740 mi on 20 gal

Base Price   $14,500$51,050


On 05/08/14 22:53, LarryT via Mercedes wrote:
someone should pick it up and save it! I wonder if a 5 cyl or V6 Turbo 
diesel would have enough power to make it practical? Then again, a 
modern Turbo diesel probably puts out as many HP as that 6 cyl 2.8L 
Gas engine, right?


Love those W108s -

Larry


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Re: [MBZ] How screwed am I?

2014-08-07 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes

Or SLS fluid.

Hendrik
who has a dripping tranny

On 06/08/14 12:46, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

If it's clear it is either brake fluid or MB antifreeze.


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


I noticed a long wet slick.  The fluid is clear and a bit slick.
Taste?  Coolant doesn't taste like oil.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] a picture for you

2014-08-07 Thread Archer75--- via Mercedes
This is the repair of a broken support for the air cleaner on an '83 
300D.  The rear attachment point of the three bolt bracket broke off.  
An extension was made out of 1/8 by 1 bar stock from Home Depot and 
its height adjusted with washers to match the oil drain pipe from the 
bottom pan.

It has worked well for about a year and 10,000 miles.

This is an experimental transmission to see if these Picasa photos will 
go through

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Re: [MBZ] a picture for you

2014-08-07 Thread Craig via Mercedes
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had nothing to do with Picasa) came through just fine.


Craig

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[MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill

2014-08-07 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Yep, 'nother one already.

THE RED HILL
By Wilton Strickland

   On the dirt road where we lived in 1941, '42 and '43 near Nashville, NC, 
was a small, red clay hill.  I think not only I, a boy of only 7 to 9 then, 
but the entire family dreaded having to travel this part of the dirt road 
from our house out to the paved road when it was wet.  The hill seemed quite 
steep to a little boy - it was especially steep and long after a little 
rain or snow.  Deep ruts of slippery, red clay made this part of the road 
especially hard to navigate, even for the most skillful and experienced 
driver.
   My brother, Carson, about 16 to 17, was usually our driver.  (Though 
Daddy had cars and drove during the teens and '20's, I never saw him drive. 
Carson or another brother was  always our family driver while I was a 
child.)  Carson would try to give the little '37 Ford a good running start 
before getting to the worst of the red mud and try to make it over the 
crest, slipping and sliding (sometimes violently) from one side to the other 
without going into the ditch.  The trick was to have just the right momentum 
to make it over the hill without having to apply so much power to cause the 
rear wheels to spin excessively sending the car out of control.
   Daddy always occupied the right, front seat and would sit way up on the 
edge of his seat, leaning forward, and holding onto the lower, under-edge of 
the instrument panel (dashboard, it was called then) as if to lighten 
the load and urge the car forward as we negotiated the red hill.  I don't 
know if it were a result of Carson's skillful driving, our good luck, Daddy's 
expert pull on the dashboard or our strong thoughts on the matter that got 
us over the red hill, but of the many times slipping and sliding from one 
side to the other, I remember going into the ditch only once.  Daddy or 
Carson got a neighbor with a pair of mules to pull the car back onto the 
road.
   On a Sunday afternoon in 1995, I took Mama for a short ride along the 
road that used to give us such trouble.  The black Mercedes SDL glided 
smoothly  quietly up the slight incline.
   I said to Mama, You feel that - 'you notice that - do you feel 
anything?

   She replied, No, I didn't feel anything.
   By then, we had crested the slight incline, and I stopped, eased back 
down the hill and tried it again.  Again, we glided smoothly and quietly 
up the hill.  Again, I asked Mama if she noticed anything; again, her reply 
was negative.
   Finally, I said to her, That's the point - we hardly notice anything, 
now.  Isn't it amazing the difference 50 or more years can make?
   Then I asked if she could remember that same hill on the family's '37 
Ford during or after some rainy weather in 1942 or '43?

   Oh, my, she replied, I certainly do!
   The hill under the Mercedes was almost nonexistent - hardly any hill 
at all.  The crest had been graded down and pulled into the valleys to each 
side of it.  We rolled easily, solidly and securely on asphalt pavement, 
with hardly a sound nor quiver from the vehicle and the road, quite a change 
from the same ride on the little Ford so many years before.
Whenever we forget to be thankful for improvements to our 
transportation system and too many other things in our lives that we take 
for granted, we should remember the red hills that have often impeded our 
way but have now been transformed by somebody's ingenuity, hard work, 
persistence and perseverance into hardly any hill at all.
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Re: [MBZ] Nice W108 Rolling Chassis

2014-08-07 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
I'd be tempted (seeing as I likely have one with a mangled and apparently 
rusted out body -- looks like trunk/rear floor pans are also rotted. )

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 On Aug 4, 2014, at 23:00, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 What?? Nobody has piped up with the OM conversion?
 You lot are getting sloppy.
 
 Hendrik
 who really really needs to get off the computer
 
 On 05/08/14 04:28, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 That is a steal.  Lots of good drive trains lying around.
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Just waiting for that small block Chebby:
 
 
 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2102545-fs-1969-280se-w108.html#post9687825
 
 Dan
 
 
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[MBZ] Tandem Pump

2014-08-07 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Tandem pump, 
anyone?http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Power-Steering-Pump-Assembly-Turbo-Diesel-Mercedes-W124-86-87-OM-603-/201139993677?_trksid=p2056016.l4276

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.   
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Re: [MBZ] Tandem Pump

2014-08-07 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Wasn't Max looking for one?

Wilt

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Subject: [MBZ] Tandem Pump


Tandem pump, 
anyone?http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Power-Steering-Pump-Assembly-Turbo-Diesel-Mercedes-W124-86-87-OM-603-/201139993677?_trksid=p2056016.l4276


Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Tandem Pump

2014-08-07 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Wilton.CRS has struck, thus the broadcast.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

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 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 14:29:39 -0400
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tandem Pump
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 Wasn't Max looking for one?
 
 Wilt
  
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Re: [MBZ] Tandem Pump

2014-08-07 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Tandem pump, 
anyone?http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Power-Steering-Pump-Assembly-Turbo-Diesel-Mercedes-W124-86-87-OM-603-/201139993677?_trksid=p2056016.l4276


I bet by now Max is willing to pay $104 for one.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill

2014-08-07 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I won't go into the detail that Wilton has but he made me recall our 
trials and tribulations with a  white hill.
We lived in a spot where one had to climb a fairly decent hill in order 
to drive out to the highway. It was fine in summer but come winter, it 
was a bit of  a beast to climb.
If the snow was deep it was trouble and if the snow was hard packed from 
travel it was also trouble as it would be slippery.
We would have to back up to the top of the other hill on the south end 
of the roadway (think down rather than up with it - if one was coming to 
us and by on the way to the highway, one would climb a long hill and 
then cross a short fairly level bit on the way by our yard on the way to 
the next hill going up some more) and make a run at the hill on the 
north side. Often we would have to back down and try again.
We were always concerned that there would be another vehicle coming the 
other way on either or both of the hills and they too would be trying to 
make it up so maybe not going all that fast but reluctant to brake to 
avoid us.
Tires were not as good then as now and rear wheel drive was generally 
not as good as many of the front drive cars today in snow.
My father never had a 4 wheel drive until near the end of his life and 
then it was not a daily driver but a 2 ton Dodge Power Wagon with dual 
wheels on the back.


The rest of the road into our place was not so great either. It has been 
much improved during my lifetime but I remember it being not much more 
than a trail through the bush when I was a child. It has been 
straightened and flattened quite a bit and is now hard as it is an oiled 
surface. When I was young, I would have to get off and push my bike up 
the hills as I could not ride up them. I might have if I had a bike with 
more gears like today but I only had a basic bike with the coaster brakes.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Nice W108 Rolling Chassis

2014-08-07 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The hp number is a misprint -- the hp rating for my 72 4.5L is 232,  
I'd guess an engine 1/3 larger would have at least 1/3 more hp, so  
think 375, which is more like the reality.


Those cars were scary fast, and the engines were usually somewhat  
hotter than the actual rating would indicate.


Equivalent torque will give equivalent accelerations, so the times are  
about right.


The W109 is bigger though, in spite of having the same wheelbase and  
height.  Very little tumble-home and a bit fat grill up front!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill

2014-08-07 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've got a hill story too.

Headed into camp you could just drive up the camp road through the trees but 
for a bit more scenic trip you could break left just before going into the 
trees. Travel a little along the headland of the field and turn right, pass 
through a small stand of spruce and into another field which you could cross 
and catch back onto the camp road. 
The trip through the spruce stand is a pretty steep hill made worse by the 90 
degree right turn. To avoid the turn you could drive out into the field but the 
transition from field to headland is a helluva bump so you can't carry much 
speed.
In May 2013 we took a trip to camp where it rained 7 days out of 9. On day 7 
the ladies went shopping in town and called the men out for lunch. On our 
return dad was with me in the Ranger and Angie was driving my mom's Jeep. Angie 
and my mom were getting nervous of the deepening ruts in the soggy camp road so 
they decided to go through the field. Dad and I paused to watch and we saw the 
Jeep go up through the trees and then come back down the hill again with the 
brakes locked.

I decided we ought to make a try, the Ranger has a limited slip rear diff and 
is better offroad than my mom's stock Jeep Liberty. We went out into the field 
and I opted to carry much more speed than was sensible. Angie swears we caught 
a little air when we hit the bump at the end of the field and I kept hard on 
the throttle up through the spruces. We made it but only just, I knew the Jeep 
had no chance. With the windows down we could hear the Jeep but they never 
showed, then things got quiet. We walked back down to where Angie had slid the 
Jeep sideways into a spruce tree. Fortunately nothing was broken and I was able 
to back it down the hill and go up the camp road.

On day 9 when we left to go home the road had gotten so soft we watched the 
Jeep drag badly as we followed along behind. We knew that this was definitely 
out last trip out. That summer we had a guy come in with a dozer. He smoothed 
the ruts out and cut some drainage which should help. We've owned the camp 
since 2003 so having it repaired once every 10 years isn't so bad.

-Curt
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[MBZ] my off topic word for the day

2014-08-07 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
chromexcel

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Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill

2014-08-07 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
WILTON wrote:
 ...we
 should remember the red hills that have often impeded our way but have now
 been transformed by somebody's ingenuity, hard work, persistence and
 perseverance into hardly any hill at all.

I will argue au contraire.
The story you tell is part of the character build that you exhibit!
Ease does not create character as easily.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] my off topic word for the day

2014-08-07 Thread Tom Savage via Mercedes
Btw, have you contacted AE directly about your Globetrotters?

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Tandem Pump

2014-08-07 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Thanks for thinking of me Fred, but I'll pass.

The tandem pump I found/pulled at the yard in Richmond a few weeks back has
been installed for about 1500 miles now and doesn't leak a drop.  That pump
came from a '93 wagon.  $35 IIRC.

When I removed the original leaking pump from my '95 E300, I found that one
of the mounting tabs cast into the aluminum body was broken.  I saved the
piece and plan to repair with JB Weld.  I've got the MB rebuild kit for the
pump, so it will become the spare.  It's very hard to find a pump from a
E300 at a reasonable price.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] messed up trans electric socket

2014-08-07 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I'm secretly (well not so secretly anymore) lusting for a 2005 S500.  I
really like that body.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill

2014-08-07 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Well said.

Grant...


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
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 WILTON wrote:
  ...we
  should remember the red hills that have often impeded our way but have
 now
  been transformed by somebody's ingenuity, hard work, persistence and
  perseverance into hardly any hill at all.

 I will argue au contraire.
 The story you tell is part of the character build that you exhibit!
 Ease does not create character as easily.
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] Tandem Pump

2014-08-07 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks for thinking of me Fred, but I'll pass.

The tandem pump I found/pulled at the yard in Richmond a few weeks back has
been installed for about 1500 miles now and doesn't leak a drop.  That pump
came from a '93 wagon.  $35 IIRC.


So a gasser pump was a direct replacement?
You have a '87 diesel wagon, right?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Nice W108 Rolling Chassis

2014-08-07 Thread LarryT via Mercedes
i had a 73 (or maybe it was a 72?) - scary fast?   you bet!  mine would 
chirp the tires when it hit passing gear -   of course it only got 14-15 
mpg on its best day.   i would spend all day getting the ignition just 
right and still only got 14-15!


but on the open highway at 75 or more and it was like riding on air - 
the smoothest, yet firmest suspension i've ever know before or since.


I sold it for around $3k in 86 or 87 and have always regretted it - even 
though i still can't afford to put gas in it.   But I dearly loved 
driving that monster!   It always made me wonder what a pre-war 500K was 
like on the Autobahn  ...


Now, /thanks to one of you/, ;-) I can't stop thinking about that 
W108 roller and what it'd be like with a ~450HP crate engine and a 
modern 5 speed   Yeah, around $20K should cover the engine, tranny 
and engineering necessary


LarryT

On 8/7/2014 6:49 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
The hp number is a misprint -- the hp rating for my 72 4.5L is 232, 
I'd guess an engine 1/3 larger would have at least 1/3 more hp, so 
think 375, which is more like the reality.


Those cars were scary fast, and the engines were usually somewhat 
hotter than the actual rating would indicate.


Equivalent torque will give equivalent accelerations, so the times are 
about right.


The W109 is bigger though, in spite of having the same wheelbase and 
height.  Very little tumble-home and a bit fat grill up front!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Tandem Pump

2014-08-07 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

ATTABOY, Max.

Wilt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tandem Pump



Thanks for thinking of me Fred, but I'll pass.

The tandem pump I found/pulled at the yard in Richmond a few weeks back 
has
been installed for about 1500 miles now and doesn't leak a drop.  That 
pump

came from a '93 wagon.  $35 IIRC.

When I removed the original leaking pump from my '95 E300, I found that 
one

of the mounting tabs cast into the aluminum body was broken.  I saved the
piece and plan to repair with JB Weld.  I've got the MB rebuild kit for 
the

pump, so it will become the spare.  It's very hard to find a pump from a
E300 at a reasonable price.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill

2014-08-07 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
My hill story.

I grew up in kettle moraine hills in central Wisconsin, just a few miles
from the highest point in the state, Timm's Hill.  Our house was at the end
of a gravel road a little less than a mile long.  The drive was all hills
and turns, and many drivers ended up in the ditch, most in winter but some
when there was no snow.

Leaving highway 86, it is a ninety-degree turn onto our road. The first
hundred yards or so is a mild uphill, a long sweeping turn, with a steep
bank to one side, and trees on the other.

One summer day, a neighbor called for help pulling a stuck truck at their
place, several miles away.  We had only one four-wheel drive vehicle, a
rusted-out Willy's Jeep, circa 1945, with no brakes.  It was our winter
plow vehicle, and was reasonably safe to drive with a snow plow mounted
that you could drop and use as an anchor when you needed to stop.  It also
had a high-low range transfer case, so in low range with a little clutch
action and engine braking, it could be slowed considerably.

The decision was made to remove the plow, and I would drive the Jeep, while
Dad and my little brother would drive one of our other vehicles.  Last
crucial detail: the transfer case was worn out, so a big thick rubber band
was used to hold the lever in low range.

We set out, Dad in the lead, and just as we started down the last hill of
our road, which ended at the highway, the rubber band broke and Jeep was
free wheeling.  Gulp!  Try as I might, it would not go back into gear.

I tried to slalom in the loose gravel to kill speed, swerving back and
forth, but that wasn't too effective.  As I overtook Dad, I had to
straighten out.  I flew by him on the right, gathering speed toward that
T-intersection with the highway.  Thinking fast, I decided to use the ditch
on the right side of the road like a banked curve at the intersection with
the highway.

Wouldn't you know it, as I sped up to the highway, there was a loaded
logging truck, stacked high with trees, passing from left to right.  If I'd
gone straight through the intersection, he would have creamed me.  I turned
hard right, into the ditch alongside our gravel road, which immediately
banked right to run parallel with the highway.  The Jeep made the turn
without flipping, and I ended up running right down the shoulder, right
next to that logging truck, maybe five feet between us.   I coasted to a
stop,  put the Jeep in gear and shut it off, got out and was just so happy
to be alive...

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill

2014-08-07 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
True, but as the character was abuilding, I surely wished for the build to 
be a little easier.  I doubt that I ever wished for a harder build to get 
more character.


Wilton


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Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill



Well said.

Grant...


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


WILTON wrote:
 ...we
 should remember the red hills that have often impeded our way but 
 have

now
 been transformed by somebody's ingenuity, hard work, persistence and
 perseverance into hardly any hill at all.

I will argue au contraire.
The story you tell is part of the character build that you exhibit!
Ease does not create character as easily.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill

2014-08-07 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

The decision was made to remove the plow,


And _that_ was the only mistake made that day.
That wasn't a plow, that was the brakes.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill

2014-08-07 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

'Nother ATTABOY!

Wilt

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Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill



My hill story.

I grew up in kettle moraine hills in central Wisconsin, just a few miles
from the highest point in the state, Timm's Hill.  Our house was at the 
end

of a gravel road a little less than a mile long.  The drive was all hills
and turns, and many drivers ended up in the ditch, most in winter but some
when there was no snow.

Leaving highway 86, it is a ninety-degree turn onto our road. The first
hundred yards or so is a mild uphill, a long sweeping turn, with a steep
bank to one side, and trees on the other.

One summer day, a neighbor called for help pulling a stuck truck at their
place, several miles away.  We had only one four-wheel drive vehicle, a
rusted-out Willy's Jeep, circa 1945, with no brakes.  It was our winter
plow vehicle, and was reasonably safe to drive with a snow plow mounted
that you could drop and use as an anchor when you needed to stop.  It also
had a high-low range transfer case, so in low range with a little clutch
action and engine braking, it could be slowed considerably.

The decision was made to remove the plow, and I would drive the Jeep, 
while

Dad and my little brother would drive one of our other vehicles.  Last
crucial detail: the transfer case was worn out, so a big thick rubber band
was used to hold the lever in low range.

We set out, Dad in the lead, and just as we started down the last hill of
our road, which ended at the highway, the rubber band broke and Jeep was
free wheeling.  Gulp!  Try as I might, it would not go back into gear.

I tried to slalom in the loose gravel to kill speed, swerving back and
forth, but that wasn't too effective.  As I overtook Dad, I had to
straighten out.  I flew by him on the right, gathering speed toward that
T-intersection with the highway.  Thinking fast, I decided to use the 
ditch

on the right side of the road like a banked curve at the intersection with
the highway.

Wouldn't you know it, as I sped up to the highway, there was a loaded
logging truck, stacked high with trees, passing from left to right.  If 
I'd
gone straight through the intersection, he would have creamed me.  I 
turned

hard right, into the ditch alongside our gravel road, which immediately
banked right to run parallel with the highway.  The Jeep made the turn
without flipping, and I ended up running right down the shoulder, right
next to that logging truck, maybe five feet between us.   I coasted to a
stop,  put the Jeep in gear and shut it off, got out and was just so happy
to be alive...

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill

2014-08-07 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Bad judgment (bad decisions) build experience.  Experience builds good
judgment...

The trick is too live through the experience!

Growing up in the country with a father who was _always_ looking for
adventure, I can think of more than a few times when one of my siblings or
I could have been maimed or killed.  Thank God we made it, a few scars,
broken bone or two, but lots of great memories, and eventually if not good
judgment, at least better judgment.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Aug 7, 2014 11:22 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 The decision was made to remove the plow,


 And _that_ was the only mistake made that day.
 That wasn't a plow, that was the brakes.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - 'Nother boys tale - The Red Hill

2014-08-07 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
No seat belts in your Jeep either, I'll bet!

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Aug 7, 2014 11:23 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote:

 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

 My hill story.


 And I thought driving a 1960's Jeep with a weak driver's door latch and a
broken door check strap (or maybe there was no door check, anyway it folded
flat against the fender so I'd have to stop and get out to retrieve the
door) was bad enough when I was a teen.

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