Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Fmiser via Mercedes wrote:


That's fine on paper - but the EPA is making it really difficult to
get _any_ new generators built.  Around here they have been trying
to add base-load capacity but either can't or
can't-because-it's-to-expensive.


And that's why many utilities will pay you money to get an Energy Star 
refrigerator.
What struck me as funny 20 years ago was that Consumers here in Michigan was 
implementing conservation programs (they weren't yet desperate enough to pay you 
to conserve) and Illinois Power was mailing out 8w night lights to all their 
customers. Consumers was trying to avoid summer brownouts from undercapacity, IP 
was trying to increase base load so they could generate more of their power at 
their base load cost.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] Paint Sources

2014-08-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Anyone have suggestions for rattle can paint suppliers for factory color paints?

I was just looking at Tower Paints last night, and boy, is their paint 
expensive!  Like nearly $35/can shipped.  Ouch!

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Paint Sources

2014-08-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
My local Car Quest loaded me a can last year for the Ranger. Matches perfectly, 
cost maybe $25. Tower doesn't seem out of line.

I see that is Australia they have can fill stations in auto parts stores that 
are self service.

Curt

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 On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Anyone have suggestions for rattle can paint suppliers for factory color 
 paints?
 
 I was just looking at Tower Paints last night, and boy, is their paint 
 expensive!  Like nearly $35/can shipped.  Ouch!
 
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] Wow now this is nice but the guy is on crack

2014-08-12 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Yes, he'll never get that price, AC doesn't blow ICE COLD and it doesn't
get 40 mpg.  He didn't even mention that it can be converted to run on free
used fryer oil!!!

Guy obviously doesn't have a clue...

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
(tongue in cheek)
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Re: [MBZ] Paint Sources

2014-08-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I knew it wouldn't be cheap, and it's been a while since I bought some, too.

I need to do a bumper cover, so I might buy two cans. That would make it a 
little cheaper per unit.  I like the quality of Tower's stuff, too.

Thanks,

Dan

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 On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 My local Car Quest loaded me a can last year for the Ranger. Matches 
 perfectly, cost maybe $25. Tower doesn't seem out of line.
 
 I see that is Australia they have can fill stations in auto parts stores that 
 are self service.
 
 Curt
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Anyone have suggestions for rattle can paint suppliers for factory color 
 paints?
 
 I was just looking at Tower Paints last night, and boy, is their paint 
 expensive!  Like nearly $35/can shipped.  Ouch!
 
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] Paint Sources

2014-08-12 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Can you buy a regular can of some size and just use a little HVLP sprayer?

--R


On 8/12/14 9:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I knew it wouldn't be cheap, and it's been a while since I bought some, too.

I need to do a bumper cover, so I might buy two cans. That would make it a 
little cheaper per unit.  I like the quality of Tower's stuff, too.

Thanks,

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

My local Car Quest loaded me a can last year for the Ranger. Matches perfectly, 
cost maybe $25. Tower doesn't seem out of line.

I see that is Australia they have can fill stations in auto parts stores that 
are self service.

Curt

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

Anyone have suggestions for rattle can paint suppliers for factory color paints?

I was just looking at Tower Paints last night, and boy, is their paint 
expensive!  Like nearly $35/can shipped.  Ouch!

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 11/08/2014 6:21 PM, Tim Crone via Mercedes wrote:

On Aug 11, 2014 2:22 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

I think there was also a state rebate of some sort that was a matter of

controversy, in addition to the fed rebate.

My manager just leased a Leaf for $278/month, with a $2000 down payment
(paid in trade).  He is very happy with it.  No extra rebates in NC, that's
the actual price.

My wife just got a Ford CMax with a plug, but we have nowhere to plug it
in.  She occasionally can charge at work.  The car is nice - I drove it ten
hours over the weekend, average 42.2 mpg - and while it's not Benz
comfortable it is a lot better than the van.  The front and rear sensors
are good, acceleration and breaking are right, seats and moon roof are
pleasant.  The nav computer is terrible: Microsoft Sync is unusable, the
navigation is flaky, the terrestrial radio doesn't work reliably, satellite
radio goes in and out all the time.  I connected my phone over Bluetooth
(that part works) and I was able to ignore the rest of the deficiencies:
classic problem of great hardware, lousy software.

I have no idea how much she is paying on the car, but probably a lot more
than the Leaf, which is similarly appointed.

Best,
Tim
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42 mpg does not sound all that marvelous.
Curt is doing better with his Jetta.

And we all know that old 240D's are routinely advertised to do at least 
40 mpg.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 11/08/2014 6:40 PM, Fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Curt Raymond wrote:

At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car.

Randy wrote:

If, all of you folks down south of the border were to get
electric vehicles, your electric grid would not be able to handle
the load.

Maybe.  But if the recharge is set to occur over-night, that is
when the power plants would like a bit more load to even out the
demand compared to daytime use.

--  Philip

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But, you will all have to shut down the AC at night.
You won't like that.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


Let us hope, that over time, solar and wind generation becomes a whole 
lot cheaper.

So far, it makes very little sense so far as I can see.
One has to consider it pretty much experimental.
Manitoba Hydro invested in wind farms but the cost of production is 
silly compared to the hydro elecrtric generation.


Randy

On 11/08/2014 7:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Its not like everybody could run out and buy a new car tomorrow anyway. As load 
ramps up our electric utilities will be forced to add line capacity. Around 
here theres a LOT of solar coming in which will reduce the load on the heavy 
wire grid by making neighborhoods more self sufficient. Within a block of my 
house I bet theres 2-3 killowatts of solar. Within 10 miles of where I sit 
theres 4.5 megawatts of windpower.

During the day you produce solar which powers Northfield mountain to pump water 
from the Connecticut river up into a huge lake where the took the top off the 
mountain. At night the water flows back down and makes electricity. Essentially 
a huge battery...

-Curt



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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege
  


Curt Raymond wrote:

At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car.

Randy wrote:

If, all of you folks down south of the border were to get




electric vehicles, your electric grid would not be able to handle
the load.

Maybe.  But if the recharge is set to occur over-night, that is
when the power plants would like a bit more load to even out the
demand compared to daytime use.

--  Philip





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 12/08/2014 6:35 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Fmiser via Mercedes wrote:


That's fine on paper - but the EPA is making it really difficult to
get _any_ new generators built.  Around here they have been trying
to add base-load capacity but either can't or
can't-because-it's-to-expensive.


And that's why many utilities will pay you money to get an Energy Star 
refrigerator.
What struck me as funny 20 years ago was that Consumers here in 
Michigan was implementing conservation programs (they weren't yet 
desperate enough to pay you to conserve) and Illinois Power was 
mailing out 8w night lights to all their customers. Consumers was 
trying to avoid summer brownouts from undercapacity, IP was trying to 
increase base load so they could generate more of their power at their 
base load cost.


Mitch.

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Sadly, the new energy efficient refrigerator is likely not much better 
than junk.
We have a beer fridge in the basement  ( in a lovely avocado green 
color )that is chugging away 41 years after we acquired it. It has a 
couple of issues but still keeps things nice and cold.
The main refrigerator in the kitchen has been replaced 3 or 4 times and 
the current one will likely give up before the old one does.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:




42 mpg does not sound all that marvelous.
Curt is doing better with his Jetta.


And Curt didn't put $2000 down when he bought the Jetta, although I think he has 
more than $2k in it now.


At the very least, when mentioning lease payments you need to amortize the 
upfront cost. $278/mo for 36 months plus $2k up front is really $334 a month.
On a 24 month lease it's $361. If you total the car during the first month, it's 
only $2278 per month.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Paint Sources

2014-08-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Try www.paintscratch.com  I ordered from them a couple years ago and IIRC
it was $19.95/can.


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Can you buy a regular can of some size and just use a little HVLP sprayer?

 --R



 On 8/12/14 9:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

 I knew it wouldn't be cheap, and it's been a while since I bought some,
 too.

 I need to do a bumper cover, so I might buy two cans. That would make it
 a little cheaper per unit.  I like the quality of Tower's stuff, too.

 Thanks,

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

  On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 My local Car Quest loaded me a can last year for the Ranger. Matches
 perfectly, cost maybe $25. Tower doesn't seem out of line.

 I see that is Australia they have can fill stations in auto parts stores
 that are self service.

 Curt

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Anyone have suggestions for rattle can paint suppliers for factory
 color paints?

 I was just looking at Tower Paints last night, and boy, is their paint
 expensive!  Like nearly $35/can shipped.  Ouch!

 Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Any old (or new) TDI ought to do better. I've seen the CMax, they're ugly and 
little. For the money a Passat is a much better deal. I've heard ads on the 
radio espousing the 180 something combined system HP. The 7th generation Golf 
that was recently released sports 150hp and over 250 lb/ft of torque. Should be 
much more fun to drive while getting better fuel economy.

When we went to Michigan we averaged 47mpg running fast and loaded heavy. 
Summer commuting has earned me more like 52mpg average with some tanks at 55mpg.

-Curt



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To: Tim Crone bb...@crone.us; Mercedes Discussion List 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege
 

On 11/08/2014 6:21 PM, Tim Crone via Mercedes wrote:
 On Aug 11, 2014 2:22 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 I think there was also a state rebate of some sort that was a matter of
 controversy, in addition to the fed rebate.

 My manager just leased a Leaf for $278/month, with a $2000 down payment
 (paid in trade).  He is very happy with it.  No extra rebates in NC, that's
 the actual price.

 My wife just got a Ford CMax with a plug, but we have nowhere to plug it
 in.  She occasionally can charge at work.  The car is nice - I drove it ten
 hours over the weekend, average 42.2 mpg - and while it's not Benz
 comfortable it is a lot better than the van.  The front and rear sensors
 are good, acceleration and breaking are right, seats and moon roof are
 pleasant.  The nav computer is terrible: Microsoft Sync is unusable, the
 navigation is flaky, the terrestrial radio doesn't work reliably, satellite
 radio goes in and out all the time.  I connected my phone over Bluetooth
 (that part works) and I was able to ignore the rest of the deficiencies:
 classic problem of great hardware, lousy software.

 I have no idea how much she is paying on the car, but probably a lot more
 than the Leaf, which is similarly appointed.

 Best,
 Tim
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42 mpg does not sound all that marvelous.
Curt is doing better with his Jetta.

And we all know that old 240D's are routinely advertised to do at least 
40 mpg.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
We almost never run our AC at night, especially this year when it hasn't been 
that hot. I sneer at those who complain of the heat when they make fun of the 
cold in winter. I'll take the cold any day.

-Curt



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To: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege
 

On 11/08/2014 6:40 PM, Fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
 Curt Raymond wrote:

 At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
 him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car.
 Randy wrote:

 If, all of you folks down south of the border were to get
 electric vehicles, your electric grid would not be able to handle
 the load.
 Maybe.  But if the recharge is set to occur over-night, that is
 when the power plants would like a bit more load to even out the
 demand compared to daytime use.

 --  Philip

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But, you will all have to shut down the AC at night.
You won't like that.




Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I bet I don't have more than $2500 in it, $300 is tires and another $400 for 
timing belt/water pump which is just maintenance...

-Curt



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Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege
 

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:


 42 mpg does not sound all that marvelous.
 Curt is doing better with his Jetta.

And Curt didn't put $2000 down when he bought the Jetta, although I think he 
has 
more than $2k in it now.

At the very least, when mentioning lease payments you need to amortize the 
upfront cost. $278/mo for 36 months plus $2k up front is really $334 a month.
On a 24 month lease it's $361. If you total the car during the first month, 
it's 
only $2278 per month.

Mitch.




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[MBZ] Subject: Paint Sources

2014-08-12 Thread Bob via Mercedes
Anyone have suggestions for rattle can paint suppliers for factory color  
paints?
 
 I got my 904 [Midnight Blur] from:  
http://microfinish.com/contact.asp
 
Bob
 '83 240 d
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:44:12 -0500 Fmiser via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 And there is the issue with solar - and wind.  It can never be a
 significant fraction of the base load generators because it isn't
 dependable.  Nor can it be used for on-demand peak load.

Any electrical power grid MUST have non-solar, non-wind resources
available to immediately cover what wind and/or solar provide or it will
be unstable and will crash.

Consider an area that is using 400 megawatts, 100 megawatts of which are
supplied by wind and/or solar. What happens when, on a timescale on the
order of 30 seconds, the wind stops blowing and/or the sun is obscured by
a cloud? If the system has only 300 megawatts of base capacity, from where
will the other 100 megawatts come? If it doesn't come from somewhere, the
grid will collapse, leaving everyone with nothing, or 100 megawatts of
demand will have to be shed (meaning a total blackout for those users).


 Using a mechanical battery is a really good way to make average capacity
 meet unpredictable demand, but EPA gets their grubby fingers into
 that pot too.  I think they were reason a system like that in south
 central Missouri was _not_ repaired.

Yes, an energy storage system will solve the intermittency problems with
wind and solar. Many different types have been proposed.

Suitable only for small applications are flywheels and lifted weights
(5 kWh is stored in a 5 ton weight lifted just over a quarter of a mile).

Utility-scale systems involving pumped water (as someone else mentioned)
use very large quantities of water.

There has been research into utility-scale storage batteries. These
typically involve noxious chemicals being pumped through the systems.

There has also been research in direct conversion of water into hydrogen
and oxygen by sunlight.

Stored hydrogen would be the energy storage system. It could later be
used to generate electricity with fuel cells or by burning in a turbine
or reciprocating engine, leveling the supply of solar or wind energy and
making a source that plays well with the electrical grid.


 Still, every Watt generated some way other than fossil fuel is one
 Watt less that must come from fossil fuel.

True.

The U.S., however, is the Saudi Arabia of coal. The technology to clean
stack emissions can be applied with less difficulty than that for energy
storage systems other than coal. Were it not for the political
environment that hysterically and falsely labels CO2 as a pollutant, this
would be the way to go while the other systems are being developed on
utility scales.

We do need something to meet demand now or our economy will fall apart.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


Good thing that you did the timing belt.
My son's shop has a Golf TDI in right now for work.
The owner blew the belt and damaged the engine which of course is an 
interference engine.

They pulled the engine and sent it out for work.
Now it is back and back in the car and they have not been able to get it 
to run.

My son is not working on it. One of the other fellows is.
My son says it has compression until the oil pressure comes up and then 
it loses compression.
They suspect that it does not have the right lifters in it and that when 
the oil pressure pumps up, the lifters are holding valves open.
If so, a problem created by the engine builders but downloaded onto the 
poor mechanics who re-installed it and are now trying to diagnose what 
is wrong.


Randy


 On 12/08/2014 11:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I bet I don't have more than $2500 in it, $300 is tires and another $400 for 
timing belt/water pump which is just maintenance...

-Curt



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege
  


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:


42 mpg does not sound all that marvelous.
Curt is doing better with his Jetta.

And Curt didn't put $2000 down when he bought the Jetta, although I think he has
more than $2k in it now.

At the very least, when mentioning lease payments you need to amortize the
upfront cost. $278/mo for 36 months plus $2k up front is really $334 a month.
On a 24 month lease it's $361. If you total the car during the first month, it's
only $2278 per month.

Mitch.








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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I agree but unfortunately the anti-alternative crew has always managed to use 
the argument that solar and wind can't replace fossil fuels which is 
completely true but misses the point entirely. Coal is beautiful in that it can 
also produce synthetic oil and gasoline. We should be working hard to make 
solar and wind produce as much electricity as possible and then use 
hydrocarbons to make up the demand load and for motor fuels where electricity 
doesn't make much sense. A blended approach would be sustainable for years and 
years into the future but it doesn't make for much of a sound bite.

Conservation doesn't make for much of a sound bite either but the offgrid crowd 
used to figure that $1 spent on electricity conservation was worth $10 in 
electricity production. Since solar is half price now its probably only $5 but 
still well worth it.

For us this has been a great summer for electricity conservation, we've only 
run the AC maybe a dozen days this year and have been drying almost all our 
laundry on the line so our electricity usage is staying under 300KWH/mo. I also 
replaced our last 100w incandescent bulb in the garage with a compact 
fluorescent. In the house I've started changing out older dimming CF bulbs with 
LEDs. I think the garage is going to get LEDs sooner rather than later since 
they aren't affected by the cold.

-Curt



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To: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege
 

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:44:12 -0500 Fmiser via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 And there is the issue with solar - and wind.  It can never be a
 significant fraction of the base load generators because it isn't
 dependable.  Nor can it be used for on-demand peak load.

Any electrical power grid MUST have non-solar, non-wind resources
available to immediately cover what wind and/or solar provide or it will
be unstable and will crash.

Consider an area that is using 400 megawatts, 100 megawatts of which are
supplied by wind and/or solar. What happens when, on a timescale on the
order of 30 seconds, the wind stops blowing and/or the sun is obscured by
a cloud? If the system has only 300 megawatts of base capacity, from where
will the other 100 megawatts come? If it doesn't come from somewhere, the
grid will collapse, leaving everyone with nothing, or 100 megawatts of
demand will have to be shed (meaning a total blackout for those users).


 Using a mechanical battery is a really good way to make average capacity
 meet unpredictable demand, but EPA gets their grubby fingers into
 that pot too.  I think they were reason a system like that in south
 central Missouri was _not_ repaired.

Yes, an energy storage system will solve the intermittency problems with
wind and solar. Many different types have been proposed.

Suitable only for small applications are flywheels and lifted weights
(5 kWh is stored in a 5 ton weight lifted just over a quarter of a mile).

Utility-scale systems involving pumped water (as someone else mentioned)
use very large quantities of water.

There has been research into utility-scale storage batteries. These
typically involve noxious chemicals being pumped through the systems.

There has also been research in direct conversion of water into hydrogen
and oxygen by sunlight.

Stored hydrogen would be the energy storage system. It could later be
used to generate electricity with fuel cells or by burning in a turbine
or reciprocating engine, leveling the supply of solar or wind energy and
making a source that plays well with the electrical grid.


 Still, every Watt generated some way other than fossil fuel is one
 Watt less that must come from fossil fuel.

True.

The U.S., however, is the Saudi Arabia of coal. The technology to clean
stack emissions can be applied with less difficulty than that for energy
storage systems other than coal. Were it not for the political
environment that hysterically and falsely labels CO2 as a pollutant, this
would be the way to go while the other systems are being developed on
utility scales.

We do need something to meet demand now or our economy will fall apart.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Paint Sources

2014-08-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

towerpaint.com

Wilt

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Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:44 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Paint Sources



Anyone have suggestions for rattle can paint suppliers for factory color
paints?

I got my 904 [Midnight Blur] from:
http://microfinish.com/contact.asp

Bob
'83 240 d
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Paint Sources

2014-08-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Tower was the company I referenced in my original post

Thanks,

Dan

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 towerpaint.com
 
 Wilt
 
 - Original Message - From: Bob via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:44 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Paint Sources
 
 
 Anyone have suggestions for rattle can paint suppliers for factory color
 paints?
 
 I got my 904 [Midnight Blur] from:
 http://microfinish.com/contact.asp
 
 Bob
 '83 240 d
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Paint Sources

2014-08-12 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Yes, I noticed, but he asked again.  ;)

Wilton

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Tower was the company I referenced in my original post

Thanks,

Dan

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towerpaint.com

Wilt

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Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:44 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Paint Sources



Anyone have suggestions for rattle can paint suppliers for factory color
paints?

I got my 904 [Midnight Blur] from:
http://microfinish.com/contact.asp

Bob
'83 240 d
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
And the have ICE COLD AIR, too!

Dan bugs on the back window

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 42 mpg does not sound all that marvelous.
 Curt is doing better with his Jetta.
 
 And we all know that old 240D's are routinely advertised to do at least 40 
 mpg.
 
 Randy
 
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[MBZ] 1965-67 250S Part

2014-08-12 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Hello all,

I am need of a ’65-67 (not ’68) power steering pump bracket.  It can come from 
either a 250S or 280S but not an SE.

Thanks,,

Jon



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[MBZ] Trigger points WTB

2014-08-12 Thread clay via Mercedes
Went to the Show and Shine this past weekend and the consensus was that I need 
a newer trigger point to get the 450SL running better.  I know it is a long 
shot, but anybody have a spare they can part with that will fit a 1974 SL born 
12/73?   Not the ones from a 108 or earliest 107, the one that came with the 
116 and later 107

clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Trigger points WTB

2014-08-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

what happened with the oil/coolant leak??

Randy

On 12/08/2014 3:05 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

Went to the Show and Shine this past weekend and the consensus was that I need 
a newer trigger point to get the 450SL running better.  I know it is a long 
shot, but anybody have a spare they can part with that will fit a 1974 SL born 
12/73?   Not the ones from a 108 or earliest 107, the one that came with the 
116 and later 107

clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers












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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread LarryT via Mercedes

I'd like to see nuclear construction get started again

LarryT

On 8/12/2014 11:13 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:


Let us hope, that over time, solar and wind generation becomes a whole 
lot cheaper.

So far, it makes very little sense so far as I can see.
One has to consider it pretty much experimental.
Manitoba Hydro invested in wind farms but the cost of production is 
silly compared to the hydro elecrtric generation.


Randy

On 11/08/2014 7:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
Its not like everybody could run out and buy a new car tomorrow 
anyway. As load ramps up our electric utilities will be forced to add 
line capacity. Around here theres a LOT of solar coming in which will 
reduce the load on the heavy wire grid by making neighborhoods more 
self sufficient. Within a block of my house I bet theres 2-3 
killowatts of solar. Within 10 miles of where I sit theres 4.5 
megawatts of windpower.


During the day you produce solar which powers Northfield mountain to 
pump water from the Connecticut river up into a huge lake where the 
took the top off the mountain. At night the water flows back down and 
makes electricity. Essentially a huge battery...


-Curt



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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege


Curt Raymond wrote:

At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car.

Randy wrote:

If, all of you folks down south of the border were to get




electric vehicles, your electric grid would not be able to handle
the load.

Maybe.  But if the recharge is set to occur over-night, that is
when the power plants would like a bit more load to even out the
demand compared to daytime use.

--  Philip





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 12/08/2014 3:30 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote:

I'd like to see nuclear construction get started again

LarryT



Yeah, with some cut price offshore contractors and maybe that cement 
from China that they used in that bridge on the west coast.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes

On 8/11/2014 9:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

(snip)

A buddy does have a nice Porsche 944 Turbo for sale that is sorely tempting
me though . . . . .

 Ah these are lovely cars, perfectly balanced.  They have humbled many a 
911.  Lots of mods available and websites run by enthusiasts.

 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV


 A partisan cannot be an honest man.


 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
No Randy, more like the French model, using a proven standardized design
capable of efficiently and safely providing decades of power.  If we also
followed their example and re-processed our fuel rods, the  radioactive
waste left after 20 years of generating power for a family of four would
fit in a coke can.

Here's the best part: no CO2!!!

Compared to coal, which not only releases tons of CO2 into the air, but
also TONS of radioactive uranium and thorium, nuclear power is the only
viable answer for those truly concerned about the environment.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Aug 12, 2014 4:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 On 12/08/2014 3:30 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote:

 I'd like to see nuclear construction get started again

 LarryT


 Yeah, with some cut price offshore contractors and maybe that cement from
China that they used in that bridge on the west coast.

 Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Well, one can hope, but my fear is that we get the Chinese concrete, so 
that some MBA business character can cut costs and award himself a big 
bonus at year end.


Randy

On 12/08/2014 5:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

No Randy, more like the French model, using a proven standardized design
capable of efficiently and safely providing decades of power.  If we also
followed their example and re-processed our fuel rods, the  radioactive
waste left after 20 years of generating power for a family of four would
fit in a coke can.

Here's the best part: no CO2!!!

Compared to coal, which not only releases tons of CO2 into the air, but
also TONS of radioactive uranium and thorium, nuclear power is the only
viable answer for those truly concerned about the environment.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Aug 12, 2014 4:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

On 12/08/2014 3:30 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote:

I'd like to see nuclear construction get started again

LarryT


Yeah, with some cut price offshore contractors and maybe that cement from

China that they used in that bridge on the west coast.

Randy







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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Archer75--- via Mercedes
Exactly, and continuous critical oversight so long as private industry 
is owning and running the plants.  Here's an example of what can happen 
when a power companies bottom line overrules all else:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/energy/progress-energy-warned-itself-not-to-self-manage-crystal-river-nuclear/1205579
Gerry

On 8/12/2014 6:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

No Randy, more like the French model, using a proven standardized design
capable of efficiently and safely providing decades of power.  If we also
followed their example and re-processed our fuel rods, the  radioactive
waste left after 20 years of generating power for a family of four would
fit in a coke can.

Here's the best part: no CO2!!!

Compared to coal, which not only releases tons of CO2 into the air, but
also TONS of radioactive uranium and thorium, nuclear power is the only
viable answer for those truly concerned about the environment.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Aug 12, 2014 4:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

On 12/08/2014 3:30 PM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote:

I'd like to see nuclear construction get started again

LarryT


Yeah, with some cut price offshore contractors and maybe that cement from

China that they used in that bridge on the west coast.

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Craig wrote:
 Any electrical power grid MUST have non-solar, non-wind resources
 available to immediately cover what wind and/or solar provide or it will
 be unstable and will crash.
...
 We do need something to meet demand now or our economy will fall apart.


Planning and design is a mess today because engineers have a closed
mind about load and supply.
If the load is too great? - change the demand.  We can live with less.
mao

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[MBZ] W114/W115 front brake interchange

2014-08-12 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
Gang

My 1970 220 (115010) needs front rotors and calipers. It is an early car 
(66138) that uses the same calipers etc as were used on 108 and early 115 cars. 
Later W115 and most W114 used vented discs and bigger calipers which 
interchange to R107/W123/W126.

Does anyone happen to know if there are significant changes that would require 
me to use an updated knuckle and steering arm in order to fit the new rotors 
and calipers? EPC isn't totally clear on this point, but it seems to indicate 
that a bunch of stuff has to change if I stray from the original configuration, 
possibly including the knuckle itself.

I'm not hell bent on having vented discs, but it is getting tough (and 
expensive) to find calipers and even discs for the older config.

D.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Archer75--- via Mercedes
Timing belts is the reason I don't like a number of cars with 
interference engines, and the reason I do like the Prius' which all have 
timing chains.

Gerry

On 8/12/2014 12:54 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:


Good thing that you did the timing belt.
My son's shop has a Golf TDI in right now for work.
The owner blew the belt and damaged the engine which of course is an 
interference engine.

They pulled the engine and sent it out for work.
Now it is back and back in the car and they have not been able to get 
it to run.

My son is not working on it. One of the other fellows is.
My son says it has compression until the oil pressure comes up and 
then it loses compression.
They suspect that it does not have the right lifters in it and that 
when the oil pressure pumps up, the lifters are holding valves open.
If so, a problem created by the engine builders but downloaded onto 
the poor mechanics who re-installed it and are now trying to diagnose 
what is wrong.


Randy


 On 12/08/2014 11:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
I bet I don't have more than $2500 in it, $300 is tires and another 
$400 for timing belt/water pump which is just maintenance...


-Curt



  From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca; Mercedes Discussion List 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:


42 mpg does not sound all that marvelous.
Curt is doing better with his Jetta.
And Curt didn't put $2000 down when he bought the Jetta, although I 
think he has

more than $2k in it now.

At the very least, when mentioning lease payments you need to 
amortize the
upfront cost. $278/mo for 36 months plus $2k up front is really $334 
a month.
On a 24 month lease it's $361. If you total the car during the first 
month, it's

only $2278 per month.

Mitch.








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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
I'm really loving my smart ForTwo ED.  It's solid and fun.

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 On Aug 11, 2014, at 13:06, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked him into letting 
 us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car. I know you old bastards all hate 
 anything new and different but you need to go out and try one.
 Yes its small but the seating area is about the same as my Jetta.
 No its not tinny or cheap feeling.
 Yes its VERY quiet.
 Its not slow, about the same as my Jetta.
 100 mile rated range, the kid at the dealership has one and says 80 is more 
 likely. I enjoyed watching the range meter count up while coasting. We went 6 
 miles on 3 miles of capacity.
 
 If I could get my employer to put in a charging station I'd seriously 
 consider one...
 
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W114/W115 front brake interchange

2014-08-12 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
Hi David,
Im not sure if they're the same, but I did buy new front calipers for a
W108 (70 280SE) for a reasonable price earlier this year.  I think I bought
genuine Mercedes.  They were cheaper than I expected.

Jaime



On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Gang

 My 1970 220 (115010) needs front rotors and calipers. It is an early car
 (66138) that uses the same calipers etc as were used on 108 and early 115
 cars. Later W115 and most W114 used vented discs and bigger calipers which
 interchange to R107/W123/W126.

 Does anyone happen to know if there are significant changes that would
 require me to use an updated knuckle and steering arm in order to fit the
 new rotors and calipers? EPC isn't totally clear on this point, but it
 seems to indicate that a bunch of stuff has to change if I stray from the
 original configuration, possibly including the knuckle itself.

 I'm not hell bent on having vented discs, but it is getting tough (and
 expensive) to find calipers and even discs for the older config.

 D.

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[MBZ] LastPass collapses

2014-08-12 Thread Archer75--- via Mercedes
*Updated* Popular password management service LastPass went on the blink 
today, leaving users locked out of their accounts.


/Reg/ reader Tim Stephenson, head of IT at Liftshare, told us that the 
firm’s employees had experienced timeouts trying to access the site, 
browser plugins weren’t responding and users couldn’t authenticate 
themselves or access their credentialssnip

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/12/lastpass_outage/

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
John wrote:
 I'm really loving my smart ForTwo ED.  It's solid and fun.

Maybe someday it will turn into W123 status and I can enjoy the drive also.
mao

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[MBZ] OT - Dis-Assemble kitchen blender

2014-08-12 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
The thing is under warranty and a new jar is on its way, but DIY makes
me want to take the jar apart.  Maybe figure out why ours failed so
early in its life.  We got this recently from my son and seems to be a
nice USA made blender - blendtec.
So... has anyone taken the jar apart?  Or, is anyone better at finding
online resource to do this?
This guy at youtube used brute force which I would like to bypass if possible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mim9wXAQAh0
Anyone?
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Dis-Assemble kitchen blender

2014-08-12 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
correct link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThBsMT_PBrM
mao

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Re: [MBZ] DIY impulse counter

2014-08-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Max,

Attached is a PDF that coves all of the different diagnostic connectors and 
their pinouts.

This should be helpful in identifying things.

Dan

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On Aug 11, 2014, at 7:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

 Thanks Craig,
 
 Fuse holder, pack of five fuses, two banana plugs, pack of four SPST
 momentary switches (only single packs were too large), LED with built-in
 resistor: it all adds up quickly...
 
 PBU Ground: thanks for addressing that, I was worried that a bad ground
 might be contributing to some strange behavior.  Last week the blower
 stopped and started on its own several times, and I'm still concerned that
 the AC compressor is cutting out when it shouldn't.
 
 Max Dillon,
 Charleston SC
 
 On Aug 11, 2014 6:23 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
 On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:04:51 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I made this yesterday (Sunday) to check for malfunction codes for the
 ACC II in my '95 E300.
 
 Good job, it looks like a useful tool.
 
 
 No malfunction codes (one flash) but the LED would glow dimly when it
 was supposed to be off.  I'm wondering if the PBU ground is
 weak/corroded?
 
 No, the LED glowing dimly indicates some leakage in the PBU from the
 point where J2 is connected to ground.
 
 
 Attached is a schematic I found on peach parts, which lists the radio
 shack part numbers.  I substituted almost all, including a combination
 LED / resistor set up for 12 vdc.  Probably about $20 in parts plus an
 empty pill container.  The container fits in you hand nicely so the
 button can be operated with your thumb.
 
 $20! What in the world cost that much?!
 
 
 I should have dug through my parts bin, I've got some stuff that would
 have worked fine, but would not have made a nice neat package like this.
 
 You could have used a wire-leaded LED and put it inside the pill bottle.
 The only things that need to be outside the bottle are the button of the
 pushbutton switch and the wire leads.
 
 
 Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilege

2014-08-12 Thread Archer75--- via Mercedes
The BMW Isetta, a little smaller than the Smart For Two, was lots of fun 
in the '50s and '60s.  It would probably have been more popular and more 
widely sold with a bigger engine.  One was hit from behind at an 
intersection and went airborne; landed across the street  on the 
sidewalk.  Minor injuries to the driver IIRC.

Gerry

On 8/12/2014 9:01 PM, John Reames via Mercedes wrote:

I'm really loving my smart ForTwo ED.  It's solid and fun.

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On Aug 11, 2014, at 13:06, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked him into letting 
us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car. I know you old bastards all hate 
anything new and different but you need to go out and try one.
Yes its small but the seating area is about the same as my Jetta.
No its not tinny or cheap feeling.
Yes its VERY quiet.
Its not slow, about the same as my Jetta.
100 mile rated range, the kid at the dealership has one and says 80 is more 
likely. I enjoyed watching the range meter count up while coasting. We went 6 
miles on 3 miles of capacity.

If I could get my employer to put in a charging station I'd seriously consider 
one...

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W114/W115 front brake interchange

2014-08-12 Thread Archer75--- via Mercedes

Hey Gary,
If you look up Davids brake parts, how about looking up mine for an '83 
240D front calipers, rotors, and hoses; and also the B-2 kit for an '83 
300D.  Also the prices.

Thanks, Gerry

On 8/12/2014 8:47 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:

Gang
My 1970 220 (115010) needs front rotors and calipers. It is an early car 
(66138) that uses the same calipers etc as were used on 108 and early 115 cars. 
Later W115 and most W114 used vented discs and bigger calipers which 
interchange to R107/W123/W126.

Does anyone happen to know if there are significant changes that would require 
me to use an updated knuckle and steering arm in order to fit the new rotors 
and calipers? EPC isn't totally clear on this point, but it seems to indicate 
that a bunch of stuff has to change if I stray from the original configuration, 
possibly including the knuckle itself.

I'm not hell bent on having vented discs, but it is getting tough (and 
expensive) to find calipers and even discs for the older config.

D.

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Re: [MBZ] W114/W115 front brake interchange

2014-08-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:47:56 -0700 David Bruckmann via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Gang
 
 My 1970 220 (115010) needs front rotors and calipers. It is an early
 car (66138) that uses the same calipers etc as were used on 108 and
 early 115 cars. Later W115 and most W114 used vented discs and bigger
 calipers which interchange to R107/W123/W126.

I had a 1972 220D/8 (115110-10-225256) and do not recall the disks being
vented. I do think they were solid.


 Does anyone happen to know if there are significant changes that would
 require me to use an updated knuckle and steering arm in order to fit
 the new rotors and calipers?

Sorry, I don't.


 EPC isn't totally clear on this point, but it seems to indicate that a
 bunch of stuff has to change if I stray from the original
 configuration, possibly including the knuckle itself.

You could go to a pick-and-pull, or maybe Kaleb and get a disk and
caliper of the type to which you want to go -- they don't even have to
work -- and see if they fit before you invest in a set of four good ones.


Craig

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