Re: [MBZ] OT Re: Subject: Re: N assault
One day I want to attend that event. How do I get invited? Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 16, 2014 12:21 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I belong to a group here that meets about 2 times a year... Just for you.. a video of a meet last spring... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA8I5ADd4Mk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] The Mercedes S550 Plug-In Hybrid Has An Eco-Friendly Foot Massager
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[MBZ] At least one good choice
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Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice
They forgot to mention that the 350 is a rodbender and that the Miata is just a worthless tin can. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/the-ultimate-two-car-garage-for-10k-1634932769 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice
What he said. My exact thoughts when reading this. I figured their W126 choice would be a 560. Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:20 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They forgot to mention that the 350 is a rodbender and that the Miata is just a worthless tin can. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/the-ultimate-two-car-garage-for-10k-1634932769 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice
Nay my friend the early Miata is a British sports car you can drive without having to stop and pick the electrons off the road to keep it running. They fit like a glove and zip right along, a worthy partner to a 126 although he's picked the wrong 126... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice They forgot to mention that the 350 is a rodbender and that the Miata is just a worthless tin can. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/the-ultimate-two-car-garage-for-10k-1634932769 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice
But if you're over six feet in height you can't fit in a Miata. Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nay my friend the early Miata is a British sports car you can drive without having to stop and pick the electrons off the road to keep it running. They fit like a glove and zip right along, a worthy partner to a 126 although he's picked the wrong 126... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice They forgot to mention that the 350 is a rodbender and that the Miata is just a worthless tin can. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/the-ultimate-two-car-garage-for-10k-1634932769 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice
I'd take the 126 oil burner over the gasser, and I don't have the over-size personal problem so I'll fit the Miata just fine. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice
I will admit I never drove one with the top up but I don't remember having the top of the windshield getting into my line of sight. Not for everybody I'm sure but very fun little cars. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice But if you're over six feet in height you can't fit in a Miata. Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nay my friend the early Miata is a British sports car you can drive without having to stop and pick the electrons off the road to keep it running. They fit like a glove and zip right along, a worthy partner to a 126 although he's picked the wrong 126... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice They forgot to mention that the 350 is a rodbender and that the Miata is just a worthless tin can. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/the-ultimate-two-car-garage-for-10k-1634932769 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice
You should donate it to jabba Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My son wants to give me his Miata but there's no room for it in the garage. Maybe if I surplus one of my wagons... On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I will admit I never drove one with the top up but I don't remember having the top of the windshield getting into my line of sight. Not for everybody I'm sure but very fun little cars. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice But if you're over six feet in height you can't fit in a Miata. Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nay my friend the early Miata is a British sports car you can drive without having to stop and pick the electrons off the road to keep it running. They fit like a glove and zip right along, a worthy partner to a 126 although he's picked the wrong 126... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice They forgot to mention that the 350 is a rodbender and that the Miata is just a worthless tin can. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/the-ultimate-two-car-garage-for-10k-1634932769 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner
Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice
My son wants to give me his Miata but there's no room for it in the garage. Maybe if I surplus one of my wagons... On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I will admit I never drove one with the top up but I don't remember having the top of the windshield getting into my line of sight. Not for everybody I'm sure but very fun little cars. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice But if you're over six feet in height you can't fit in a Miata. Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nay my friend the early Miata is a British sports car you can drive without having to stop and pick the electrons off the road to keep it running. They fit like a glove and zip right along, a worthy partner to a 126 although he's picked the wrong 126... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice They forgot to mention that the 350 is a rodbender and that the Miata is just a worthless tin can. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/the-ultimate-two-car-garage-for-10k-1634932769 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice
I think the later ones harmed the look, they got a little bigger and lost the pop up headlights. It makes the car look front heavy, the earlier ones are more balanced. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice My son wants to give me his Miata but there's no room for it in the garage. Maybe if I surplus one of my wagons... On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I will admit I never drove one with the top up but I don't remember having the top of the windshield getting into my line of sight. Not for everybody I'm sure but very fun little cars. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice But if you're over six feet in height you can't fit in a Miata. Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nay my friend the early Miata is a British sports car you can drive without having to stop and pick the electrons off the road to keep it running. They fit like a glove and zip right along, a worthy partner to a 126 although he's picked the wrong 126... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice They forgot to mention that the 350 is a rodbender and that the Miata is just a worthless tin can. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/the-ultimate-two-car-garage-for-10k-1634932769 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Just to clarify, an AR-15 is often defined as a carbine, a short-barreled rifle. AT On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:00 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Re: Subject: Re: N assault Date: September 15, 2014 8:53:55 PM PDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com And why are you stirring up emotions about this? This list has argued the point many times about weapon classification and usually it ends up in a somewhat heated debate. The article http://www.wral.com/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-vance-county-break-in/13638825/ states a AR-15 rifle was used, which would suggest a full size weapon. It may well have been a carbine version but we don't know that for sure. Hendrik who owns no weapons be they for assault or defence, hmmnh perhaps in this case they could have called it a defence rifle, perhaps retreat rifle On 16/09/14 10:48, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Carbine? No no no, he used an ASSAULT RIFLE!!! If your local media had correctly identified the AR-15 as an ASSAULT RIFLE, Al Sharpton and CNN and all the rest could have breathlessly reported and agitated and stirred up the righteous we know better than you crowd, and distracted us all from the ballooning federal debt and the miserable economy and the creeping inflation of our fiat currency... Just think of the blue-state fund-raising opportunities that were missed! Max Dillon, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
I echo what Hendrik wrote. Where's the Mercedes content? On Sep 16, 2014 11:54 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just to clarify, an AR-15 is often defined as a carbine, a short-barreled rifle. AT On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:00 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Re: Subject: Re: N assault Date: September 15, 2014 8:53:55 PM PDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com And why are you stirring up emotions about this? This list has argued the point many times about weapon classification and usually it ends up in a somewhat heated debate. The article http://www.wral.com/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-vance-county-break-in/13638825/ states a AR-15 rifle was used, which would suggest a full size weapon. It may well have been a carbine version but we don't know that for sure. Hendrik who owns no weapons be they for assault or defence, hmmnh perhaps in this case they could have called it a defence rifle, perhaps retreat rifle On 16/09/14 10:48, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Carbine? No no no, he used an ASSAULT RIFLE!!! If your local media had correctly identified the AR-15 as an ASSAULT RIFLE, Al Sharpton and CNN and all the rest could have breathlessly reported and agitated and stirred up the righteous we know better than you crowd, and distracted us all from the ballooning federal debt and the miserable economy and the creeping inflation of our fiat currency... Just think of the blue-state fund-raising opportunities that were missed! Max Dillon, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] BMW435ix picked up in Germany
Engineer friend just picked up a BMW435ix in Germany. Here are his emails about the car, Germany, etc. in no particular order: I picked up my BMW today in Munich, but my plans were thwarted when they told me going out the door not to let the revs get above 4500 for the first 1200 miles, and worse yet, don't go over 105 mph during that period, eiither. I took it out on the autobahn on the way back to Augsburg, and the thing cruised at 100 mph easily enough, but I was disappointed when an Audi passed me going at least 30 mph faster than I was and I couldn't follow him. ... They'll take anything; dollars euros, rubles, you name it. For some reason that I don't understand, the same BMW costs twice as much in Germany as it does in the states. Germans see me driving around in my humble little 435ix and they think I'm rich or something. .. It's 435ix, which has a 300 hp turbocharged six and an eight speed automatic. This is my first automatic since 1976, and I regretted ordering it that way, but the automatics are so sophisticated these days that they actually shift faster than the manuals, and I have paddle shifters on the wheel with sport mode that I can't use for 1200 miles because it shifts around 7000. I neglected to check the RPMs at 100mph in eighth, but I think it was only about 3500. The chip limits the top speed to about 150. .. BMW doesn't put you up in a hotel, but Mercedes doesn't give you a 7% discount for factory pick-up. I got a full tank of gas, which is great, since premium is about $10 a gallon here. The instructions said that it would be delivered practically empty due to factory safety regulations, so that was a pleasant surprise. .. BMW gave me a cheat sheet showing speed limits in various countries in kph, but they told me not to go over 105 mph. The speedometer has both scales. One strange sight was the delivery room, where they go through a minor ceremony where they hand over the car. The Munich factory builds 3-series sedans, wagons, and 4-series coupes, but they hand over X-3s and X-5s, which are imported from South Carolina. These are given to German customers, since they won't let Americans pick up American built cars in Germany. The 3-series are built in several other factories around the world. BMW is building a factory in Mexico. There is no way in hell that I would plunk down that kind of money for a Mexican car. ... Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
This is like one of those cliques you see at parties where three guys are engaged in animated conversation to the exclusion of everyone else, on a nerdy topic of no interest to the rest of the gathering. I feel like telling them to take it outside. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I echo what Hendrik wrote. Where's the Mercedes content? On Sep 16, 2014 11:54 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just to clarify, an AR-15 is often defined as a carbine, a short-barreled rifle. AT On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:00 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Re: Subject: Re: N assault Date: September 15, 2014 8:53:55 PM PDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com And why are you stirring up emotions about this? This list has argued the point many times about weapon classification and usually it ends up in a somewhat heated debate. The article http://www.wral.com/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-vance-county-break-in/13638825/ states a AR-15 rifle was used, which would suggest a full size weapon. It may well have been a carbine version but we don't know that for sure. Hendrik who owns no weapons be they for assault or defence, hmmnh perhaps in this case they could have called it a defence rifle, perhaps retreat rifle On 16/09/14 10:48, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Carbine? No no no, he used an ASSAULT RIFLE!!! If your local media had correctly identified the AR-15 as an ASSAULT RIFLE, Al Sharpton and CNN and all the rest could have breathlessly reported and agitated and stirred up the righteous we know better than you crowd, and distracted us all from the ballooning federal debt and the miserable economy and the creeping inflation of our fiat currency... Just think of the blue-state fund-raising opportunities that were missed! Max Dillon, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
The negative effect on Mercedes is pretty foolish... at least in suggesting that Chrysler had their hand at engineering Mercedes. But Chrysler received a large amount of Mercedes technology in many forms. Interior controls, suspension, transmissions, even entire car platforms (The crossfire was based on the old R170 SLK , which came out around the same time as the R171). Its pretty obvious if you sit in a Chrysler 300, for example. Jaime On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It seems most are of the opinion that when DBAG bought Chrysler, it had a negative effect on MB autos. Do you think the reverse is true? Were Chrysler products improved in the early 2000's because of there association with Daimler? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
That is one visually impressive car, although I've never sat in one. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The negative effect on Mercedes is pretty foolish... at least in suggesting that Chrysler had their hand at engineering Mercedes. But Chrysler received a large amount of Mercedes technology in many forms. Interior controls, suspension, transmissions, even entire car platforms (The crossfire was based on the old R170 SLK , which came out around the same time as the R171). Its pretty obvious if you sit in a Chrysler 300, for example. Jaime On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It seems most are of the opinion that when DBAG bought Chrysler, it had a negative effect on MB autos. Do you think the reverse is true? Were Chrysler products improved in the early 2000's because of there association with Daimler? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] At least one good choice
On 16/09/2014 8:20 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: They forgot to mention that the 350 is a rodbender and that the Miata is just a worthless tin can. And, a very small tin can at that. One parks beside me at the office some of the time. It looks miniscule beside my F150. I don't think I would like to be in it in an accident with a truck. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
I'm not trying to stifle discussion but this topic has been gone over many a times. And I don't think there is anything new to throw in the mix. Whether an AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle or carbine is neither here nor there, I suppose they come in both full length and shortened versions? Sure the pro-gun mob prefer the term carbine and anti-gun crowd prefer assault rifle. Regarding our laws in Oz, I have said it many a times, if it gets that bad that I feel I need a weapon to defend myself against the crazies, I will move somewhere better. And just to remind you all, it's not illegal to own a firearm in Oz but you need to have a good reason to own one and home defence is not a suitable reason. As I have said before, I feel good that there are stringent controls in place, so not just any numpty can buy a weapon to shove in his missus face and make him feel like a big man. Or pull the trigger in a moment of depression. http://www.news.com.au/national/lockhart-shooting-wagga-wagga-community-reeling-after-hunt-family-tragedy/story-fncynjr2-1227053811861 Hendrik who is going for an job interview this morning On 17/09/14 03:05, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: This is like one of those cliques you see at parties where three guys are engaged in animated conversation to the exclusion of everyone else, on a nerdy topic of no interest to the rest of the gathering. I feel like telling them to take it outside. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I echo what Hendrik wrote. Where's the Mercedes content? On Sep 16, 2014 11:54 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just to clarify, an AR-15 is often defined as a carbine, a short-barreled rifle. AT On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:00 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Re: Subject: Re: N assault Date: September 15, 2014 8:53:55 PM PDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com And why are you stirring up emotions about this? This list has argued the point many times about weapon classification and usually it ends up in a somewhat heated debate. The article http://www.wral.com/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-vance-county-break-in/13638825/ states a AR-15 rifle was used, which would suggest a full size weapon. It may well have been a carbine version but we don't know that for sure. Hendrik who owns no weapons be they for assault or defence, hmmnh perhaps in this case they could have called it a defence rifle, perhaps retreat rifle On 16/09/14 10:48, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Carbine? No no no, he used an ASSAULT RIFLE!!! If your local media had correctly identified the AR-15 as an ASSAULT RIFLE, Al Sharpton and CNN and all the rest could have breathlessly reported and agitated and stirred up the righteous we know better than you crowd, and distracted us all from the ballooning federal debt and the miserable economy and the creeping inflation of our fiat currency... Just think of the blue-state fund-raising opportunities that were missed! Max Dillon, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Re: Subject: Re: N assaulting
Actually the term 'assault rifle' was derived from the Nazi Germany term 'sturmgewehr' meaning storming rifle and has since been universally applied to the group of weapons that are not full size rifles or sub-machine guns/machine pistol. Although by the time the MP-44 came along, Nazi Germany was not doing a hell of a lot of storming anything and it was mainly used in defence. Sure it's more of a nickname than an actual military term, I don't think any army in the world calls their weapons 'assault rifle' in official lingo.who lives in a civilized country Hendrik who lives in a civilized country On 16/09/14 13:51, G Mann wrote: Excellent point Hendrik, calling them defense rifles [American spelling] rather than assault weapons. The term assault rifle is one manufactured by the largely anti-self defense crowd to do exactly what you speak to, stir up emotion, and draw attention away from the useful effect of being able to defend ones self. That was used to full effect in Australia to the point where personal ownership of the means to defend yourself has been removed. To us Yanks, the Land Down Under is now the land of the unarmed victim but then.. we've always been a scruffy lot.. albeit well armed.. I belong to a group here that meets about 2 times a year... Just for you.. a video of a meet last spring... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA8I5ADd4Mk It takes a bit to load because it's a long video.. Thought you might enjoy watching .. Big boys... bit toys... Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT more ebay crazies
Further in the series of whacky things on ebay I present this gem http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Barn-Find-amongst-Vincent-Brough-Superior-Norton-BSA-etc-/321525047161 I suppose now that ebay lets you list stuff for free we will see more of this sort of thing. Hendrik who has some real stuff on ebay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
Thanks Jaime. That's kinda what I thought. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 2:47 PM To: Rick Knoble; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Jaime Kopchinski Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daimler The negative effect on Mercedes is pretty foolish... at least in suggesting that Chrysler had their hand at engineering Mercedes. But Chrysler received a large amount of Mercedes technology in many forms. Interior controls, suspension, transmissions, even entire car platforms (The crossfire was based on the old R170 SLK , which came out around the same time as the R171). Its pretty obvious if you sit in a Chrysler 300, for example. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap into Mercedes from Chrysler. The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in failure. And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
I AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and is just political rants of any persuasion. I joined this list in 2002 for Mercedes content. Rant off. Dwight Giles 90 300D,82 300 CD. (In the old days we always put our cars in the signature) On Sep 16, 2014 6:42 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not trying to stifle discussion but this topic has been gone over many a times. And I don't think there is anything new to throw in the mix. Whether an AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle or carbine is neither here nor there, I suppose they come in both full length and shortened versions? Sure the pro-gun mob prefer the term carbine and anti-gun crowd prefer assault rifle. Regarding our laws in Oz, I have said it many a times, if it gets that bad that I feel I need a weapon to defend myself against the crazies, I will move somewhere better. And just to remind you all, it's not illegal to own a firearm in Oz but you need to have a good reason to own one and home defence is not a suitable reason. As I have said before, I feel good that there are stringent controls in place, so not just any numpty can buy a weapon to shove in his missus face and make him feel like a big man. Or pull the trigger in a moment of depression. http://www.news.com.au/national/lockhart-shooting- wagga-wagga-community-reeling-after-hunt-family-tragedy/ story-fncynjr2-1227053811861 Hendrik who is going for an job interview this morning On 17/09/14 03:05, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: This is like one of those cliques you see at parties where three guys are engaged in animated conversation to the exclusion of everyone else, on a nerdy topic of no interest to the rest of the gathering. I feel like telling them to take it outside. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I echo what Hendrik wrote. Where's the Mercedes content? On Sep 16, 2014 11:54 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just to clarify, an AR-15 is often defined as a carbine, a short-barreled rifle. AT On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:00 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Re: Subject: Re: N assault Date: September 15, 2014 8:53:55 PM PDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com And why are you stirring up emotions about this? This list has argued the point many times about weapon classification and usually it ends up in a somewhat heated debate. The article http://www.wral.com/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-vance- county-break-in/13638825/ states a AR-15 rifle was used, which would suggest a full size weapon. It may well have been a carbine version but we don't know that for sure. Hendrik who owns no weapons be they for assault or defence, hmmnh perhaps in this case they could have called it a defence rifle, perhaps retreat rifle On 16/09/14 10:48, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Carbine? No no no, he used an ASSAULT RIFLE!!! If your local media had correctly identified the AR-15 as an ASSAULT RIFLE, Al Sharpton and CNN and all the rest could have breathlessly reported and agitated and stirred up the righteous we know better than you crowd, and distracted us all from the ballooning federal debt and the miserable economy and the creeping inflation of our fiat currency... Just think of the blue-state fund-raising opportunities that were missed! Max Dillon, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . . On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap into Mercedes from Chrysler. The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in failure. And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of. Peter -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
I feel strongly both ways because I can quickly delete posts that don't interest me. I just wish everyone took the effort to make the subject lines were reliable and descriptive. Unfortunately, you can't fix the subject line in a reply without breaking the thread. -Original Message- From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:23 PM I AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and is just political rants of any persuasion. I joined this list in 2002 for Mercedes content. Rant off. Dwight Giles 90 300D,82 300 CD. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
Ha, good response. As much as we'd like them to put 240D's back into production and sell them for $18,000, I don't think its going to happen. Jaime On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . . On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap into Mercedes from Chrysler. The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in failure. And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of. Peter -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
yes, that is exactly what it is, don, and not a conspiracy of chrysler gizmoization, probably engineered by obama and the illuminati jaime once brought a benz engineer to my pool and he explained it to me On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . . On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap into Mercedes from Chrysler. The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in failure. And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of. Peter -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
and the amzing thing is that for all the talk of people wanting that here, you'd hardly sell any if you did On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ha, good response. As much as we'd like them to put 240D's back into production and sell them for $18,000, I don't think its going to happen. Jaime On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . . On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap into Mercedes from Chrysler. The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in failure. And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of. Peter -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Original Message From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:23 PM To: Hendrik and Fay; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dwight Giles Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 I AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and is just political rants of any persuasion. I joined this list in 2002 for Mercedes content. Rant off. While not car related, I do enjoy occasional apple tree discussions, woodworking discussions, tractor discussions, generator discussions, etc. There is a vast wealth of knowledge here on this list and to limit the topics to Mercedes only would be stifling to the transference of intelligence and information to all. I could live without the occasional political tripe, but I overlook it, because of the abundance of good intellectual conversation on other subjects. I need to finish cleaning out my garage, so I can work on these old Mercedes, and buy some parts from Jabba. (MB content.) Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Wiper parking
The wiper on the kids 93 300 was getting stuck and blew fuse. Pulled it out lubed it and it made no difference. Mathis wiper was a little different than others I have seen almost like it was aftermarket or something. It also was not parking when switch turned off and I don't think intermittent was working either. Put one in I had laying around and it did not work at all, motor dead I guess. Pulled one from a car and put it on and it works fine but still does not part or intermittent not working. What controls that? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
Times change, cars change. If Mercedes would build a 240D in this day and age it would become the laughing stock of auto manufacturers. However, something in the spirit of a 240D might work. Simple, really well built and economical. Volkswagen kind of does it with the Jetta diesel. Why can't Mercedes do it with a C class or CLA or B? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: and the amzing thing is that for all the talk of people wanting that here, you'd hardly sell any if you did On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ha, good response. As much as we'd like them to put 240D's back into production and sell them for $18,000, I don't think its going to happen. Jaime On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . . On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap into Mercedes from Chrysler. The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in failure. And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of. Peter -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
I guess I should be more specific more permissive. I would like to stop what you call political tripe not apple trees or BMW. Yes I can delete IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. DAN- Mr moderator What do you say? On Sep 16, 2014 10:05 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:23 PM To: Hendrik and Fay; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dwight Giles Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 I AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and is just political rants of any persuasion. I joined this list in 2002 for Mercedes content. Rant off. While not car related, I do enjoy occasional apple tree discussions, woodworking discussions, tractor discussions, generator discussions, etc. There is a vast wealth of knowledge here on this list and to limit the topics to Mercedes only would be stifling to the transference of intelligence and information to all. I could live without the occasional political tripe, but I overlook it, because of the abundance of good intellectual conversation on other subjects. I need to finish cleaning out my garage, so I can work on these old Mercedes, and buy some parts from Jabba. (MB content.) Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
What Dimitri said! On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Times change, cars change. If Mercedes would build a 240D in this day and age it would become the laughing stock of auto manufacturers. However, something in the spirit of a 240D might work. Simple, really well built and economical. Volkswagen kind of does it with the Jetta diesel. Why can't Mercedes do it with a C class or CLA or B? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: and the amzing thing is that for all the talk of people wanting that here, you'd hardly sell any if you did On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ha, good response. As much as we'd like them to put 240D's back into production and sell them for $18,000, I don't think its going to happen. Jaime On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . . On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap into Mercedes from Chrysler. The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in failure. And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of. Peter -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Tripe. I love that word. On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I guess I should be more specific more permissive. I would like to stop what you call political tripe not apple trees or BMW. Yes I can delete IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. DAN- Mr moderator What do you say? On Sep 16, 2014 10:05 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:23 PM To: Hendrik and Fay; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dwight Giles Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 I AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and is just political rants of any persuasion. I joined this list in 2002 for Mercedes content. Rant off. While not car related, I do enjoy occasional apple tree discussions, woodworking discussions, tractor discussions, generator discussions, etc. There is a vast wealth of knowledge here on this list and to limit the topics to Mercedes only would be stifling to the transference of intelligence and information to all. I could live without the occasional political tripe, but I overlook it, because of the abundance of good intellectual conversation on other subjects. I need to finish cleaning out my garage, so I can work on these old Mercedes, and buy some parts from Jabba. (MB content.) Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:15 PM To: Gary Hurst; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daimler Times change, cars change. If Mercedes would build a 240D in this day and age it would become the laughing stock of auto manufacturers. However, something in the spirit of a 240D might work. Simple, really well built and economical. Volkswagen kind of does it with the Jetta diesel. Why can't Mercedes do it with a C class or CLA or B? They could do it with the E250 and I would not complain one bit. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
i think i said something like that initially sometimes i wonder if i really am the great communicator On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What Dimitri said! On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:15 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Times change, cars change. If Mercedes would build a 240D in this day and age it would become the laughing stock of auto manufacturers. However, something in the spirit of a 240D might work. Simple, really well built and economical. Volkswagen kind of does it with the Jetta diesel. Why can't Mercedes do it with a C class or CLA or B? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: and the amzing thing is that for all the talk of people wanting that here, you'd hardly sell any if you did On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ha, good response. As much as we'd like them to put 240D's back into production and sell them for $18,000, I don't think its going to happen. Jaime On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . . On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect there was considerable leakage of junk gizmo flashy crap into Mercedes from Chrysler. The new cars are NOT like the old ones, rather tinny, full of electronic toys of dubious utility and designed in failure. And they are UGLY and very hard to see out of. Peter -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
my kid loves tripe and eats it by the pound On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Tripe. I love that word. On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I guess I should be more specific more permissive. I would like to stop what you call political tripe not apple trees or BMW. Yes I can delete IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. DAN- Mr moderator What do you say? On Sep 16, 2014 10:05 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:23 PM To: Hendrik and Fay; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dwight Giles Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 I AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and is just political rants of any persuasion. I joined this list in 2002 for Mercedes content. Rant off. While not car related, I do enjoy occasional apple tree discussions, woodworking discussions, tractor discussions, generator discussions, etc. There is a vast wealth of knowledge here on this list and to limit the topics to Mercedes only would be stifling to the transference of intelligence and information to all. I could live without the occasional political tripe, but I overlook it, because of the abundance of good intellectual conversation on other subjects. I need to finish cleaning out my garage, so I can work on these old Mercedes, and buy some parts from Jabba. (MB content.) Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] FW: Daimler
I stand by my whimsey. D. Sayers. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:25:18 -0500 To: psf...@earthlink.net; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daimler From: mercedes@okiebenz.com I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Proper Subjects [was: Re: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71]
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:41:14 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I feel strongly both ways because I can quickly delete posts that don't interest me. I just wish everyone took the effort to make the subject lines were reliable and descriptive. Unfortunately, you can't fix the subject line in a reply without breaking the thread. Sure you can; I just did. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wiper parking
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:08:58 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Pulled one from a car and put it on and it works fine but still does not part I presume you mean, park. That, I would think, should be controlled by the wiper motor assembly. or intermittent not working. What controls that? Likewise, I think the intermittent is controlled by something other than the wiper motor assembly. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FW: Daimler
he played for the bears, right? On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I stand by my whimsey. D. Sayers. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:25:18 -0500 To: psf...@earthlink.net; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daimler From: mercedes@okiebenz.com I suspect that is the result of market research and actual customer preferences. I don't think that this group represents the average new MB buyer. We are indeed, a relatively odd lot . . . . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FW: Daimler
Gary.Saints, I'd think. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 22:58:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Daimler From: jabbahur...@gmail.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com he played for the bears, right? On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I stand by my whimsey. D. Sayers. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
If I had to choose between tripe and beef liver I would really stress out. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: my kid loves tripe and eats it by the pound On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Tripe. I love that word. On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I guess I should be more specific more permissive. I would like to stop what you call political tripe not apple trees or BMW. Yes I can delete IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. DAN- Mr moderator What do you say? On Sep 16, 2014 10:05 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:23 PM To: Hendrik and Fay; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dwight Giles Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 I AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and is just political rants of any persuasion. I joined this list in 2002 for Mercedes content. Rant off. While not car related, I do enjoy occasional apple tree discussions, woodworking discussions, tractor discussions, generator discussions, etc. There is a vast wealth of knowledge here on this list and to limit the topics to Mercedes only would be stifling to the transference of intelligence and information to all. I could live without the occasional political tripe, but I overlook it, because of the abundance of good intellectual conversation on other subjects. I need to finish cleaning out my garage, so I can work on these old Mercedes, and buy some parts from Jabba. (MB content.) Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle. As Andrew so aptly put it: ... a nerdy topic... which contrary to Andrew's analysis (...of no interest to the rest of the gathering.) is obviously of interest to many of the members of this list, with only a relatively few either uninterested or upset by mentioning weapons. Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their time. I have a (Canadian) friend who happens to be an engineer who works for the Mercedes truck division who, though not a gun owner, has confessed an obsession with the mechanical perfection of the M1911. This list thrives on nerdy O/T discussions! I think the M4 is the carbine version of the M-16. I am unsure what is the designation of the civilian equivalent. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Giles via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Rick Knoble Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 I guess I should be more specific more permissive. I would like to stop what you call political tripe not apple trees or BMW. Yes I can delete IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. DAN- Mr moderator What do you say? On Sep 16, 2014 10:05 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:23 PM To: Hendrik and Fay; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Dwight Giles Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 I AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and is just political rants of any persuasion. I joined this list in 2002 for Mercedes content. Rant off. While not car related, I do enjoy occasional apple tree discussions, woodworking discussions, tractor discussions, generator discussions, etc. There is a vast wealth of knowledge here on this list and to limit the topics to Mercedes only would be stifling to the transference of intelligence and information to all. I could live without the occasional political tripe, but I overlook it, because of the abundance of good intellectual conversation on other subjects. I need to finish cleaning out my garage, so I can work on these old Mercedes, and buy some parts from Jabba. (MB content.) Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fw: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
Original Message From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Reply To: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 Actually, the discussion was mainly about nomenclature of an AR-15, and whether it is properly called a carbine, a rifle, or an assault rifle. Actually, firearms are much closer to Mercedes content than are apple trees; since they are both the pinnacle of mechanical technology of their time. I'm not opposed to discussing hardware, be it small arms, watches, washing machines, iPhone, or Mercedes. Just don't mix in emotion, and or politics. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71 OT no Merc content whatsoever
It's just the nature of the beast, often times a thread will diverge and end up being not even close to the original topic but as long as it is fun and civil, who cares. It is not like you have to sift through a couple of hundred messages every day, these old school email based discussion lists where never meant for hundreds of people, perhaps dozens. Perhaps in a a perfect world, there would be perfect discussion lists but I figure, given how much it costs to be a part of this list, you sort of have to put up with a few issues. There is lots of stuff discussed here that I have little interest in but someone else may be highly interested, to be sure some of the stuff I post is probably of little interest to some here but perhaps someone will listen to my crap. As has been said before, I we tighten up the rules regarding what can and can't be discussed/asked here, we will have close to zero messages, cause people take the safe route and not ask, for fear of offending someone. Hendrik who is dribbling again On 17/09/14 11:47, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: I guess I should be more specific more permissive. I would like to stop what you call political tripe not apple trees or BMW. Yes I can delete IF listers use correct headings. My question is why should I have to. DAN- Mr moderator What do you say? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT Beef liver (was Re: Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71)
Recipes? What is your preferred caliber for harvesting cows? Calves? Max Dillon, Charleston SC Pushing it again, lighten up people! On Sep 17, 2014 12:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If I had to choose between tripe and beef liver I would really stress out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler basics
Ahh yes the old 'lets turn back time' thread, we want a simple car for simple folk, lets build the 123 in India or somewhere. Problem is modern engines are complex and need to be to meet emissions, sure manual gearbox technology has not changed much, neither have brakes and suspensions, if you just want the basics. These days you probably can't order a manual Merc in the US or Oz unless it is a commercial vehicle? Daimler would probably love to sell you a simple and reliable 240D style car for lots of dollars but people want gadgets and these gadgets need electronics. The tronics need to be fed. Hendrik who has a few complex system in the Merc but relatively simple to fix On 17/09/14 12:00, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:15 PM To: Gary Hurst; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daimler Times change, cars change. If Mercedes would build a 240D in this day and age it would become the laughing stock of auto manufacturers. However, something in the spirit of a 240D might work. Simple, really well built and economical. Volkswagen kind of does it with the Jetta diesel. Why can't Mercedes do it with a C class or CLA or B? They could do it with the E250 and I would not complain one bit. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
