Re: [MBZ] Best aftermarket injector nozzles
I have adjusted the valves. I set the intakes for 0.005 instead of 0.004 because I didn't have the proper feeler gauge. None of them were particularly tight. It still idles rougher cold than I would like. The car seems to make good power even with a bit of blowby. I wonder about the valve guides. I did overheat it one time when my monovalve was leaking and it ran low on coolant. But that was at least 70,000 miles ago. I'll do a compression test and then maybe a leak down. Since the tranny change it also has this weird tap-tap-tapping sound every time the engine oscillates. Maybe it's an engine shock, but it sure sounds like it comes from the transmission. Maybe it's normal. I'll ask the Sun Valley guy. On the whole I am probably inventing problems, but I don't like to own stuff that isn't well maintained, and I have lived with the car long enough to know what it should sound like. So little changes get my attention. If it isn't going to be in excellent shape, it isn't staying in the driveway. I did break down and order the factory skid plate to catch the oil drip from where the air cleaner drain goes into the pan. Seems easier than fixing that leak. I suppose if the O-ring from the air cleaner into the drain tube is loose, the turbo can suck dirty air in there? What a system. Karl On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm having mine done since the car starts a little harder than it should, idles a little rough and gets a little worse mileage. It gets a little better with a tank of bio diesel. No setting valves on an OM601 if it were a 61x I'd start there. *Curt* Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android From:Karl Wittnebel atypical...@gmail.com Date:Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:04 PM Subject:Re: [MBZ] Best aftermarket injector nozzles I have a couple of questions: 1. How do you guys know it is time to rebuild your injectors? Is this just a seat of the pants type thing? Engine knock? Preventive at a certain mileage? Just doing it for fun? 2. If you are ordering new injectors, of whatever brand, is Mark just balancing the pop off pressures? Otherwise they should not need rebuilding, right? 3. Who is Mark, and where can I find him? 4. Off topic, but how can one check the flex plate in a 1985 w123 300tdt? It makes a rather annoying sound like someone hitting a steel plate with a small ball peen hammer at cold idle, about 1.5 times per second. The car idles around 900 or less I think. Noise comes out of transmission when I crawl under there. I have heard the bolts holding the torque converter can come loose and make that sound, but I cannot see them through the inspection hole. If it is not loose torque converter bolts then perhaps it is an injector. It seems to go away nearly completely by the time I finish my 7 mile urban commute each way. Thanks, Karl On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ahh good fun, I don't remember if I mentioned but I ordered Bosio, $118.60 for a set of 4. Since we're both using Mark for our rebuilder maybe we can get him to compare. Interestingly after you had recommended Mark I'd mentioned to a Peachparts member about needing injectors redone and he said oh theres a guy on Peachparts who turned out to be Mark... -Curt From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Best aftermarket injector nozzles Ordered the Monark nozzles today from Germany, $180 for six. I'm going to hold on to the old Bosch nozzles, look for another set at the knackers, between them I'll probably be able to put together a good set to have ready to rotate in after another couple hundred thousand miles. Going to do some before/after acceleration testing to establish a baseline for comparison. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___
Re: [MBZ] Best aftermarket injector nozzles
If you tap on the skid plate, does it sound familiar? The Hollywood rule is always appropriate: What have you done for (to) me lately? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Mercedes seat and Selling '83 300D
I need a biege or tan front seat for a 123 series Mercedes, or any other series if the seat is not any wider. I am going to put one in the Prius since Prius seats are not very well sprung and Prius has a bumpy ride. Also, I'm selling my '83 300D and will give list members first opportunity to buy it if any are interested. It's rough inside and out but it has many qualities not usually found in cars of its vintage such as no rust, a rebuilt front end, good used axles that were replaced because of leaking boots, new radiator a few years ago, fuel tank recently cleaned of fungus, new brake master cylinder, working A/C, etc. It has a very good engine that starts instantly with one turn of the key, a new chain, and a good transmission that has needed a B-2 piston for the 100K plus miles I've owned it. (It just turned 300K). A new differential comes with the car since the one in the car is noisy. I'm not sure what this car would be worth on the market. The finish is an intact oxidized blue, and if it where restored using Dans recommended methods,it would probably bring a higher price. Someone on the group said these cars were going for around $1500, so I'm guessing this one would be worth that much to someone who needed reliable daily transportation. Of course, I'll be asking more than that to begin with if I sell it on the open market. I've already gotten my money back from this car ten times over, so I'm not fussy about selling it for a reasonable price. (No, I won't sell it for $500. [:o) ). Gerry PS: Anyone interested please contact me off-list. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes seat and Selling '83 300D
Ack, you're killing me! I'd totally do that in the spring. Not buying another car for the winter... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes seat and Selling '83 300D
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Ack, you're killing me! I'd totally do that in the spring. Not buying another car for the winter... Maybe you and Angie could fly down to FL for Christmas or Thanksgiving? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - Shotguns
Got the FIL's shotgun yesterday. Winchester 370 single shot 12 gauge in nearly new condition. Took it to the local sporting clays range this morning with the youngest son and went through a box of shells and 25 clays on the trap range. A whopping $20, including the rental for the safety glasses (we forgot ours in our hurry to go...) Cheaper than a movie, louder, and lots more fun. Had fun, I actually hit five (he hit zero, which was a big boost to my ego as he has done much better than me in the past) and got a mildly sore shoulder out of it along with some quality time with the boy. We both enjoyed sporting clays in the past, and while this is a nice gun, I'm wondering what might be a decent quality (used) over and under 12ga shotgun for him? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Staplerfahrer Klaus -- Der erste Arbeitstag
Vat not to do as a Staplerfahrer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOHnSL7ZCg --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Staplerfahrer Klaus -- Der erste Arbeitstag
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Vat not to do as a Staplerfahrer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOHnSL7ZCg We can't have guys running around the factory like Staplefahrers with their heads cut off, now, can we? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
Be advised that an O/U is not going to be a cheap purchase for anything that is reasonable quality. Barrel alignment and rib attachment are both fussy bits of engineering and craftsmanship. Any corrective gunsmithing on a used O/U is going to be expensive. Although I am not much of a skilled shotgunner, I know people who are. People I have hunted with seem to favor the Beretta 686. A couple of these people could afford whatever they want, but have selected the 686 over more expensive arms. Another I hunted with (a native guide) up in Canada also used the 686. I am not being an Italian chauvinist here, as I would not favor any of Beretta's pistols given a choice. I have not been in the market for one of these, but I suspect that a good price for a good used sample would be in the $1,000.00 range (maybe more). A good place to check prices would be gunbroker.com. HTH Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:52 AM To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns Got the FIL's shotgun yesterday. Winchester 370 single shot 12 gauge in nearly new condition. Took it to the local sporting clays range this morning with the youngest son and went through a box of shells and 25 clays on the trap range. A whopping $20, including the rental for the safety glasses (we forgot ours in our hurry to go...) Cheaper than a movie, louder, and lots more fun. Had fun, I actually hit five (he hit zero, which was a big boost to my ego as he has done much better than me in the past) and got a mildly sore shoulder out of it along with some quality time with the boy. We both enjoyed sporting clays in the past, and while this is a nice gun, I'm wondering what might be a decent quality (used) over and under 12ga shotgun for him? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] FW: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo
Lng one for sale Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:10:01 -0700 fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/4717892439.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNjc5MTI2N3i_Zmc-vVbafJgCnO2YtTLA4JhTnsP2qylH_KJ_Ir-yEt9DUnwb-UGI0rHJiZFR3Q ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler)
Last night while driving the 1983 300TD wagon I lost my power brakes. Panic ensued - briefly. They they came back after I pumped them a few times, then I lost them again several times on the course of a 7 mile trip. The brakes still worked (it wasn't the master cylinder) but required a lot of leg power. When I arrived at my destination the engine would not shut off with the key; I had to pop the hood and do it manually. Later on when I returned home, brakes behaved and everything was back to normal (engine shut off with the key). I did nothing else to the car. What could have caused this intermittent loss of function? I am pretty sure the problem will crop up again. Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] $75k Maybach
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maybach-57-Maybach-57-05-57-1-owner-california-car-serviced-navigation-distronic-rear-tables-/221582897570?forcerrptr=truehash=item33975eb1a2item=221582897570pt=US_Cars_Trucks --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FW: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo
Pretty much hideous, but I could see having it, and doing something vulgar with it. --R On 10/26/14 2:13 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Lng one for sale Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:10:01 -0700 fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/4717892439.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNjc5MTI2N3i_Zmc-vVbafJgCnO2YtTLA4JhTnsP2qylH_KJ_Ir-yEt9DUnwb-UGI0rHJiZFR3Q ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler)
Vac problem. Check all hoses and connectors for loose, cracked, kinked, whatever, or it might be time for a vac pump rebuild (though that would not likely be intermittent). --R On 10/26/14 2:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Last night while driving the 1983 300TD wagon I lost my power brakes. Panic ensued - briefly. They they came back after I pumped them a few times, then I lost them again several times on the course of a 7 mile trip. The brakes still worked (it wasn't the master cylinder) but required a lot of leg power. When I arrived at my destination the engine would not shut off with the key; I had to pop the hood and do it manually. Later on when I returned home, brakes behaved and everything was back to normal (engine shut off with the key). I did nothing else to the car. What could have caused this intermittent loss of function? I am pretty sure the problem will crop up again. Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FW: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo
With it or in it? On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Pretty much hideous, but I could see having it, and doing something vulgar with it. --R On 10/26/14 2:13 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Lng one for sale Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:10:01 -0700 fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/4717892439.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNjc5MTI2N3i_Zmc- vVbafJgCnO2YtTLA4JhTnsP2qylH_KJ_Ir-yEt9DUnwb-UGI0rHJiZFR3Q ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler)
Were the doors locked during the issue? I've seen lots of cases where door lock actuators only leak in one state or the other. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
I shoot trap and skeet so I understand your enjoyment.. ;)) A good day of shooting.. ATTABOY! I suggest you may want to look into 20 gage rather than 12 gage. Less recoil, and for trap or skeet range plenty of shot down range to break clay. The right gun is the one that fits you. I am very satisfied with the over/under guns I have for breaking clay or hunting birds. As a type, they work well for me, perhaps will for you also. I suggest you also take a look at pump actions. Entry price will be lower, and they will serve you well for the purpose. Shot guns are a lot like golf clubs. Many are sold because it's the gun, not the shooting skills that make the owner miss, so you may take advantage of local gun shows to have a look at what is available. [Depending on what gun shows may be in your local area, presume you don't live in Chicago or DC. ;)) ] Hope this helps, Grant... On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Got the FIL's shotgun yesterday. Winchester 370 single shot 12 gauge in nearly new condition. Took it to the local sporting clays range this morning with the youngest son and went through a box of shells and 25 clays on the trap range. A whopping $20, including the rental for the safety glasses (we forgot ours in our hurry to go...) Cheaper than a movie, louder, and lots more fun. Had fun, I actually hit five (he hit zero, which was a big boost to my ego as he has done much better than me in the past) and got a mildly sore shoulder out of it along with some quality time with the boy. We both enjoyed sporting clays in the past, and while this is a nice gun, I'm wondering what might be a decent quality (used) over and under 12ga shotgun for him? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler)
Door locks were unaffected. On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Were the doors locked during the issue? I've seen lots of cases where door lock actuators only leak in one state or the other. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
I've shot a lot of trap but no skeet or sporting clays. For trap a 20ga is a significant disadvantage, that said I've shot a lot with a 16ga but I like being different. Otherwise I agree with Grant completely, a good gun shop can help fit your shotgun to you. Prices are all over the map, you should be able to find a cheap over under gun that will shoot relatively well for a couple hundred bucks. At the high end, recently my Dad was trying out a $40,000 trap gun (I forget the brand) to replace his $10,000 Valmet. I like his Valmet and shoot well with it but I can't possibly justify buying it from him. Also remember a heavier gun will beat your shoulder less... -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns I shoot trap and skeet so I understand your enjoyment.. ;)) A good day of shooting.. ATTABOY! I suggest you may want to look into 20 gage rather than 12 gage. Less recoil, and for trap or skeet range plenty of shot down range to break clay. The right gun is the one that fits you. I am very satisfied with the over/under guns I have for breaking clay or hunting birds. As a type, they work well for me, perhaps will for you also. I suggest you also take a look at pump actions. Entry price will be lower, and they will serve you well for the purpose. Shot guns are a lot like golf clubs. Many are sold because it's the gun, not the shooting skills that make the owner miss, so you may take advantage of local gun shows to have a look at what is available. [Depending on what gun shows may be in your local area, presume you don't live in Chicago or DC. ;)) ] Hope this helps, Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FW: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo
I'd prefer one of those 240D limos. On Oct 26, 2014 2:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: With it or in it? On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Pretty much hideous, but I could see having it, and doing something vulgar with it. --R On 10/26/14 2:13 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Lng one for sale Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:10:01 -0700 fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/4717892439.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNjc5MTI2N3i_Zmc- vVbafJgCnO2YtTLA4JhTnsP2qylH_KJ_Ir-yEt9DUnwb-UGI0rHJiZFR3Q ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler)
Thats not what I asked you. You could have a door actuator that only leaks when locked or unlocked, change the state, the leak goes away and the brakes and shutoff work. The first real troubleshooting step is to figure out what the other components of the failure are. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler) Door locks were unaffected. On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Were the doors locked during the issue? I've seen lots of cases where door lock actuators only leak in one state or the other. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler)
You obviously have an intermittent vacuum problem of some sort. It could be in the plumbing or other (non brake) systems, which is easy to check: cap off everything except the brake vacuum booster and see if the problem persists. Of course the locks, HVAC, engine shut-off, etc won't work until you reconnect them. Some systems (locks and HVAC, I think) have their own vacuum storage tanks with check valves so they still work (for a time) after the main vacuum is depleted. My 79 TD had a similar problem which turned out to be the actual vacuum booster on the master brake cylinder. You can also connect a vacuum gauge (with a long hose) to one of the vacuum Ts under the hood and observe the vacuum as you drive. A bad vacuum pump will show as low vacuum or slow vacuum build-up. A bad booster will show as a sudden vacuum drop when the brake pedal is pressed but quick vacuum recovery after the pedal is released. Because your problem is intermittent, I assume you don't have a constantly leaking brake vacuum booster. I think you can also test the booster by seeing how many brake applications you can do after the engine is stopped with a normal vacuum reading. It should be more than one, I think. By the way, replacing the booster isn't a bad job but you do need to work under the dash, as I recall. I used a rebuilt booster from FLAPS and it still worked when I sold the car, years later. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler) Last night while driving the 1983 300TD wagon I lost my power brakes. Panic ensued - briefly. They they came back after I pumped them a few times, then I lost them again several times on the course of a 7 mile trip. The brakes still worked (it wasn't the master cylinder) but required a lot of leg power. When I arrived at my destination the engine would not shut off with the key; I had to pop the hood and do it manually. Later on when I returned home, brakes behaved and everything was back to normal (engine shut off with the key). I did nothing else to the car. What could have caused this intermittent loss of function? I am pretty sure the problem will crop up again. Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler)
Forgot to mention that the door locks work perfectly and that the loss of brake assist occurred with the locks open (I never lock the doors while driving). This morning I inspected all the rubber connectors leading from/to the brake booster. All are in good shape, although two of those short rubber hose connectors were not completely snugged up to the fittings. I pushed them in all the way, and am hoping this will solve my problem. If not, could someone who has BTDT please let me know if the brake booster itself fails gradually/sporadically or does it crash in one fell swoop? On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: You obviously have an intermittent vacuum problem of some sort. It could be in the plumbing or other (non brake) systems, which is easy to check: cap off everything except the brake vacuum booster and see if the problem persists. Of course the locks, HVAC, engine shut-off, etc won't work until you reconnect them. Some systems (locks and HVAC, I think) have their own vacuum storage tanks with check valves so they still work (for a time) after the main vacuum is depleted. My 79 TD had a similar problem which turned out to be the actual vacuum booster on the master brake cylinder. You can also connect a vacuum gauge (with a long hose) to one of the vacuum Ts under the hood and observe the vacuum as you drive. A bad vacuum pump will show as low vacuum or slow vacuum build-up. A bad booster will show as a sudden vacuum drop when the brake pedal is pressed but quick vacuum recovery after the pedal is released. Because your problem is intermittent, I assume you don't have a constantly leaking brake vacuum booster. I think you can also test the booster by seeing how many brake applications you can do after the engine is stopped with a normal vacuum reading. It should be more than one, I think. By the way, replacing the booster isn't a bad job but you do need to work under the dash, as I recall. I used a rebuilt booster from FLAPS and it still worked when I sold the car, years later. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler) Last night while driving the 1983 300TD wagon I lost my power brakes. Panic ensued - briefly. They they came back after I pumped them a few times, then I lost them again several times on the course of a 7 mile trip. The brakes still worked (it wasn't the master cylinder) but required a lot of leg power. When I arrived at my destination the engine would not shut off with the key; I had to pop the hood and do it manually. Later on when I returned home, brakes behaved and everything was back to normal (engine shut off with the key). I did nothing else to the car. What could have caused this intermittent loss of function? I am pretty sure the problem will crop up again. Andrew 1983 and 1985 300TDs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
I'd stick with 12 gage as long as the gun fits the shooter. Everything is harder to find and often more expensive in 20 gage. Lower recoil target shells are readily available in 12 gage. I think a pump gun is more versatile (and less expensive) than a side-by-side or over-under configuration. As others have mentioned, a basic pump gun (e.g. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series) can be had for a few hundred dollars, new. But the sky is the limit in fancy guns. My neighbor (competes at Nationals) has guns costing over $10K. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 2:55 PM To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns I shoot trap and skeet so I understand your enjoyment.. ;)) A good day of shooting.. ATTABOY! I suggest you may want to look into 20 gage rather than 12 gage. Less recoil, and for trap or skeet range plenty of shot down range to break clay. The right gun is the one that fits you. I am very satisfied with the over/under guns I have for breaking clay or hunting birds. As a type, they work well for me, perhaps will for you also. I suggest you also take a look at pump actions. Entry price will be lower, and they will serve you well for the purpose. Shot guns are a lot like golf clubs. Many are sold because it's the gun, not the shooting skills that make the owner miss, so you may take advantage of local gun shows to have a look at what is available. [Depending on what gun shows may be in your local area, presume you don't live in Chicago or DC. ;)) ] Hope this helps, Grant... On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Got the FIL's shotgun yesterday. Winchester 370 single shot 12 gauge in nearly new condition. Took it to the local sporting clays range this morning with the youngest son and went through a box of shells and 25 clays on the trap range. A whopping $20, including the rental for the safety glasses (we forgot ours in our hurry to go...) Cheaper than a movie, louder, and lots more fun. Had fun, I actually hit five (he hit zero, which was a big boost to my ego as he has done much better than me in the past) and got a mildly sore shoulder out of it along with some quality time with the boy. We both enjoyed sporting clays in the past, and while this is a nice gun, I'm wondering what might be a decent quality (used) over and under 12ga shotgun for him? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler)
Thats not what I asked you. You could have a door actuator that only leaks when locked or unlocked, change the state, the leak goes away and the brakes and shutoff work. All the vacuum accessories are fed through restrictive orifices molded in to the main hose, so that even if you leave the taps completely open the brakes should work fine, if everything else is up to spec. This is not an accident. Vacuum pump, cracked feed hose, brake booster. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 intermittent loss of power braking (today's puzzler)
Bad brake boosters can be intermittent for a while, but eventually give out completely. I split the diaphragm on one in Canada, and only discovered it was bad when the car stalled every time I stepped on the brake and I heard a hissing sound from under the dash. If you don't have a MitiVac hand pump, get one. connect to the vac system via one of the side branches and attempt to pump down the booster by hand. It will take forever, but you must be able to pull and hold a vacuum. Might be faster if you cap all the side connection to test, as there are several vac reservoirs that can leak (climate control and lock system under the front fender, some models have a tank in the back bumper too, if i remember correctly). If you can pump it down and it holds, your issues are elsewhere. If it will not pump down, disconnect and plug the line at the brake booster and see if the main like and check valves in the pump hold. If they do, re-connect at the booster and disconnect and plug the line at the pump. If it will not pump down, the line or booster is bad. You should be aware that the main line is known to crack at the fitting in the middle, and you must replace it (parts not sold separately). A crack can leak big sometimes and very little at other, depending on engine vibration and so forth. And vacuum pumps do fail. The piston type on the ON617 is very robust, but occasionally a check valve will fail or the seal on the piston will leak. Older models had rubber diaphragms and always failed sooner or later. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FW: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo
I like the w115 euro limos. All class:) Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd prefer one of those 240D limos. On Oct 26, 2014 2:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: With it or in it? On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Pretty much hideous, but I could see having it, and doing something vulgar with it. --R On 10/26/14 2:13 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Lng one for sale Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:10:01 -0700 fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/4717892439.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNjc5MTI2N3i_Zmc- vVbafJgCnO2YtTLA4JhTnsP2qylH_KJ_Ir-yEt9DUnwb-UGI0rHJiZFR3Q ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
I'm going to look at the Mossberg 500 All Purpose and see how that might work out. The range has rental guns, too, so that might be a good chance to try a few different things out to see what would be best. One of my former business partners is a hard core grouse hunter - he takes off for a hunt in North Dakota every year for two weeks. He has a very expensive over/under 12 gauge shotgun made in England that was $8,000 he uses. We got to shoot it on a regular basis, and while it was nice, it did the same thing a much less expensive shotgun did Thanks to all for the info and suggestions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd stick with 12 gage as long as the gun fits the shooter. Everything is harder to find and often more expensive in 20 gage. Lower recoil target shells are readily available in 12 gage. I think a pump gun is more versatile (and less expensive) than a side-by-side or over-under configuration. As others have mentioned, a basic pump gun (e.g. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series) can be had for a few hundred dollars, new. But the sky is the limit in fancy guns. My neighbor (competes at Nationals) has guns costing over $10K. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
I've got a Mossberg 500 and they're great guns, you can make them into anything. I've got a standard field barrel with replaceable chokes and a cylinder bore slug barrel for deer hunting. They make a high comb trap stock and a high rib trap barrel to go with it but for somebody who only shoots a box of shells every year or two a regular field grade gun will be completely fine. I mentioned the other day that dad and I used to shoot a lot, at one point we were shooting 200 rounds (thats 8 rounds of trap at 25 shots each) a week just of shotgun. Once I shot 8 rounds of trap in a row only taking breaks for more shells and a quick sip of water while the trap machine was being reloaded. After that I about fell down... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns I'm going to look at the Mossberg 500 All Purpose and see how that might work out. The range has rental guns, too, so that might be a good chance to try a few different things out to see what would be best. One of my former business partners is a hard core grouse hunter - he takes off for a hunt in North Dakota every year for two weeks. He has a very expensive over/under 12 gauge shotgun made in England that was $8,000 he uses. We got to shoot it on a regular basis, and while it was nice, it did the same thing a much less expensive shotgun did Thanks to all for the info and suggestions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd stick with 12 gage as long as the gun fits the shooter. Everything is harder to find and often more expensive in 20 gage. Lower recoil target shells are readily available in 12 gage. I think a pump gun is more versatile (and less expensive) than a side-by-side or over-under configuration. As others have mentioned, a basic pump gun (e.g. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series) can be had for a few hundred dollars, new. But the sky is the limit in fancy guns. My neighbor (competes at Nationals) has guns costing over $10K. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
On a related aspect to all this -- my FIL shot traps or skeets or whatever for a long time. When he got to where he could not shoot any more (he had really bad juvenile rheumatoid arthritis for most of his life, it finally got too hard to hold the gun and he wanted safety above all), so he passed 2 of his guns on to us. One is a Browning Citori and one I think is a Beretta, both very nice guns he had for a long time. I'll have to get them out and see exactly what they are. He shortened up the stocks on them so he could use them better given his arthritis, which pretty much makes them useless to anyone over about 12yo. I have long arms so I would want a longer than stock stock, or put one of those rubber ends on to extend a stock stock a bit. I was thinking to redo the stocks somehow, either make new extensions (walnut, which I have) or just buy some new ones to put on them. They still make these guns so would it be easiest to contact the factory and see what they could do? I would suppose a gun smith would do pretty much what I would do wood-wise for some big money, and I am a fairly good woodworker, so I could do a decent job on it myself but it would be a fair amount of work. I could go to a gun shop and take some measurements and photos and such to get it right. --R On 10/26/14 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm going to look at the Mossberg 500 All Purpose and see how that might work out. The range has rental guns, too, so that might be a good chance to try a few different things out to see what would be best. One of my former business partners is a hard core grouse hunter - he takes off for a hunt in North Dakota every year for two weeks. He has a very expensive over/under 12 gauge shotgun made in England that was $8,000 he uses. We got to shoot it on a regular basis, and while it was nice, it did the same thing a much less expensive shotgun did Thanks to all for the info and suggestions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd stick with 12 gage as long as the gun fits the shooter. Everything is harder to find and often more expensive in 20 gage. Lower recoil target shells are readily available in 12 gage. I think a pump gun is more versatile (and less expensive) than a side-by-side or over-under configuration. As others have mentioned, a basic pump gun (e.g. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series) can be had for a few hundred dollars, new. But the sky is the limit in fancy guns. My neighbor (competes at Nationals) has guns costing over $10K. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
There are loads of companies that make replacement stocks. My dad has one he likes which I can check on if you want. Boyds maybe? There are some which offer rough blanks that you can finish as you want. A good option if the stock is only 2-3 too short is to get an adjustable butt pad, unfortunately I can't think of the name of the common high end one for trap shooters. Normally when installing one you cut a couple inches off the stock since its a couple inches long. A good gun shop that caters to trap shooters can help measure out what you want for a stock. Rifle shops won't know as much about it. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns On a related aspect to all this -- my FIL shot traps or skeets or whatever for a long time. When he got to where he could not shoot any more (he had really bad juvenile rheumatoid arthritis for most of his life, it finally got too hard to hold the gun and he wanted safety above all), so he passed 2 of his guns on to us. One is a Browning Citori and one I think is a Beretta, both very nice guns he had for a long time. I'll have to get them out and see exactly what they are. He shortened up the stocks on them so he could use them better given his arthritis, which pretty much makes them useless to anyone over about 12yo. I have long arms so I would want a longer than stock stock, or put one of those rubber ends on to extend a stock stock a bit. I was thinking to redo the stocks somehow, either make new extensions (walnut, which I have) or just buy some new ones to put on them. They still make these guns so would it be easiest to contact the factory and see what they could do? I would suppose a gun smith would do pretty much what I would do wood-wise for some big money, and I am a fairly good woodworker, so I could do a decent job on it myself but it would be a fair amount of work. I could go to a gun shop and take some measurements and photos and such to get it right. --R On 10/26/14 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm going to look at the Mossberg 500 All Purpose and see how that might work out. The range has rental guns, too, so that might be a good chance to try a few different things out to see what would be best. One of my former business partners is a hard core grouse hunter - he takes off for a hunt in North Dakota every year for two weeks. He has a very expensive over/under 12 gauge shotgun made in England that was $8,000 he uses. We got to shoot it on a regular basis, and while it was nice, it did the same thing a much less expensive shotgun did Thanks to all for the info and suggestions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd stick with 12 gage as long as the gun fits the shooter. Everything is harder to find and often more expensive in 20 gage. Lower recoil target shells are readily available in 12 gage. I think a pump gun is more versatile (and less expensive) than a side-by-side or over-under configuration. As others have mentioned, a basic pump gun (e.g. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series) can be had for a few hundred dollars, new. But the sky is the limit in fancy guns. My neighbor (competes at Nationals) has guns costing over $10K. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best aftermarket injector nozzles
No the skidplate is has not arrived yet. It basically sounds like tapping on a bell housing with a small hammer. Worse when the car is cold and pointing downhill. Almost certainly coming from the torque converter or immediately adjacent within the housing. I will see if I can shoot a video. Thanks, Karl On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com wrote: If you tap on the skid plate, does it sound familiar? The Hollywood rule is always appropriate: What have you done for (to) me lately? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
Thanks for the info. The problem is that he cut the stocks down pretty far and then had the pads put on so a longer pad would be like half the length of the whole stock, and would probably not work too well and would look weird. I'll have to look into it, let me know if you find out the place your dad uses. I'll do the googles and see what I can find. --R On 10/26/14 7:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: There are loads of companies that make replacement stocks. My dad has one he likes which I can check on if you want. Boyds maybe? There are some which offer rough blanks that you can finish as you want. A good option if the stock is only 2-3 too short is to get an adjustable butt pad, unfortunately I can't think of the name of the common high end one for trap shooters. Normally when installing one you cut a couple inches off the stock since its a couple inches long. A good gun shop that caters to trap shooters can help measure out what you want for a stock. Rifle shops won't know as much about it. -Curt *From:* Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* mercedes@okiebenz.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns On a related aspect to all this -- my FIL shot traps or skeets or whatever for a long time. When he got to where he could not shoot any more (he had really bad juvenile rheumatoid arthritis for most of his life, it finally got too hard to hold the gun and he wanted safety above all), so he passed 2 of his guns on to us. One is a Browning Citori and one I think is a Beretta, both very nice guns he had for a long time. I'll have to get them out and see exactly what they are. He shortened up the stocks on them so he could use them better given his arthritis, which pretty much makes them useless to anyone over about 12yo. I have long arms so I would want a longer than stock stock, or put one of those rubber ends on to extend a stock stock a bit. I was thinking to redo the stocks somehow, either make new extensions (walnut, which I have) or just buy some new ones to put on them. They still make these guns so would it be easiest to contact the factory and see what they could do? I would suppose a gun smith would do pretty much what I would do wood-wise for some big money, and I am a fairly good woodworker, so I could do a decent job on it myself but it would be a fair amount of work. I could go to a gun shop and take some measurements and photos and such to get it right. --R On 10/26/14 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm going to look at the Mossberg 500 All Purpose and see how that might work out. The range has rental guns, too, so that might be a good chance to try a few different things out to see what would be best. One of my former business partners is a hard core grouse hunter - he takes off for a hunt in North Dakota every year for two weeks. He has a very expensive over/under 12 gauge shotgun made in England that was $8,000 he uses. We got to shoot it on a regular basis, and while it was nice, it did the same thing a much less expensive shotgun did Thanks to all for the info and suggestions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd stick with 12 gage as long as the gun fits the shooter. Everything is harder to find and often more expensive in 20 gage. Lower recoil target shells are readily available in 12 gage. I think a pump gun is more versatile (and less expensive) than a side-by-side or over-under configuration. As others have mentioned, a basic pump gun (e.g. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series) can be had for a few hundred dollars, new. But the sky is the limit in fancy guns. My neighbor (competes at Nationals) has guns costing over $10K. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
Has there been a run on shotguns yet, in preparation for the coming ebola apocalypse? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
I'm reasonably sure its: http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/ Sadly it looks like they sell mostly rifle stocks. Google should be able to find you a stock for most any common gun. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns Thanks for the info. The problem is that he cut the stocks down pretty far and then had the pads put on so a longer pad would be like half the length of the whole stock, and would probably not work too well and would look weird. I'll have to look into it, let me know if you find out the place your dad uses. I'll do the googles and see what I can find. --R On 10/26/14 7:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: There are loads of companies that make replacement stocks. My dad has one he likes which I can check on if you want. Boyds maybe? There are some which offer rough blanks that you can finish as you want. A good option if the stock is only 2-3 too short is to get an adjustable butt pad, unfortunately I can't think of the name of the common high end one for trap shooters. Normally when installing one you cut a couple inches off the stock since its a couple inches long. A good gun shop that caters to trap shooters can help measure out what you want for a stock. Rifle shops won't know as much about it. -Curt *From:* Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* mercedes@okiebenz.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns On a related aspect to all this -- my FIL shot traps or skeets or whatever for a long time. When he got to where he could not shoot any more (he had really bad juvenile rheumatoid arthritis for most of his life, it finally got too hard to hold the gun and he wanted safety above all), so he passed 2 of his guns on to us. One is a Browning Citori and one I think is a Beretta, both very nice guns he had for a long time. I'll have to get them out and see exactly what they are. He shortened up the stocks on them so he could use them better given his arthritis, which pretty much makes them useless to anyone over about 12yo. I have long arms so I would want a longer than stock stock, or put one of those rubber ends on to extend a stock stock a bit. I was thinking to redo the stocks somehow, either make new extensions (walnut, which I have) or just buy some new ones to put on them. They still make these guns so would it be easiest to contact the factory and see what they could do? I would suppose a gun smith would do pretty much what I would do wood-wise for some big money, and I am a fairly good woodworker, so I could do a decent job on it myself but it would be a fair amount of work. I could go to a gun shop and take some measurements and photos and such to get it right. --R On 10/26/14 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm going to look at the Mossberg 500 All Purpose and see how that might work out. The range has rental guns, too, so that might be a good chance to try a few different things out to see what would be best. One of my former business partners is a hard core grouse hunter - he takes off for a hunt in North Dakota every year for two weeks. He has a very expensive over/under 12 gauge shotgun made in England that was $8,000 he uses. We got to shoot it on a regular basis, and while it was nice, it did the same thing a much less expensive shotgun did Thanks to all for the info and suggestions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd stick with 12 gage as long as the gun fits the shooter. Everything is harder to find and often more expensive in 20 gage. Lower recoil target shells are readily available in 12 gage. I think a pump gun is more versatile (and less expensive) than a side-by-side or over-under configuration. As others have mentioned, a basic pump gun (e.g. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series) can be had for a few hundred dollars, new. But the sky is the limit in fancy guns. My neighbor (competes at Nationals) has guns costing over $10K. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ To search list
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
Yes, for sure the pumps will be very serviceable and a lot cheaper than an O/U. I believe the Mossberg is ok, but have a strong prejudice in favor of the Rem. 870. It's the preferred shotgun among the LE people, whose lives depend on reliable performance. I would take a look at both. A possible source of a bargain in a 12 ga. pump is an older gun that only takes 2 3/4 shells. This is no handicap for a trap or skeet shooter, and possibly a really good $ savings. Hunters will want a gun with at least 3 chambers. I have a Browning BPS with 3 1/2 chambers. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 3:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns I'm going to look at the Mossberg 500 All Purpose and see how that might work out. The range has rental guns, too, so that might be a good chance to try a few different things out to see what would be best. One of my former business partners is a hard core grouse hunter - he takes off for a hunt in North Dakota every year for two weeks. He has a very expensive over/under 12 gauge shotgun made in England that was $8,000 he uses. We got to shoot it on a regular basis, and while it was nice, it did the same thing a much less expensive shotgun did Thanks to all for the info and suggestions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd stick with 12 gage as long as the gun fits the shooter. Everything is harder to find and often more expensive in 20 gage. Lower recoil target shells are readily available in 12 gage. I think a pump gun is more versatile (and less expensive) than a side-by-side or over-under configuration. As others have mentioned, a basic pump gun (e.g. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series) can be had for a few hundred dollars, new. But the sky is the limit in fancy guns. My neighbor (competes at Nationals) has guns costing over $10K. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
Rich: The expensive and tricky part of a gunstock is where it is inletted for the barrel and receiver. A good woodworker should be able to glue and dowel, biscuit or screw a piece of walnut on to the existing cut-off stock and shape it to the right fit. It may not be as pretty as a complete new stock, but should be perfectly functional. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns Thanks for the info. The problem is that he cut the stocks down pretty far and then had the pads put on so a longer pad would be like half the length of the whole stock, and would probably not work too well and would look weird. I'll have to look into it, let me know if you find out the place your dad uses. I'll do the googles and see what I can find. --R On 10/26/14 7:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: There are loads of companies that make replacement stocks. My dad has one he likes which I can check on if you want. Boyds maybe? There are some which offer rough blanks that you can finish as you want. A good option if the stock is only 2-3 too short is to get an adjustable butt pad, unfortunately I can't think of the name of the common high end one for trap shooters. Normally when installing one you cut a couple inches off the stock since its a couple inches long. A good gun shop that caters to trap shooters can help measure out what you want for a stock. Rifle shops won't know as much about it. -Curt *From:* Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* mercedes@okiebenz.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns On a related aspect to all this -- my FIL shot traps or skeets or whatever for a long time. When he got to where he could not shoot any more (he had really bad juvenile rheumatoid arthritis for most of his life, it finally got too hard to hold the gun and he wanted safety above all), so he passed 2 of his guns on to us. One is a Browning Citori and one I think is a Beretta, both very nice guns he had for a long time. I'll have to get them out and see exactly what they are. He shortened up the stocks on them so he could use them better given his arthritis, which pretty much makes them useless to anyone over about 12yo. I have long arms so I would want a longer than stock stock, or put one of those rubber ends on to extend a stock stock a bit. I was thinking to redo the stocks somehow, either make new extensions (walnut, which I have) or just buy some new ones to put on them. They still make these guns so would it be easiest to contact the factory and see what they could do? I would suppose a gun smith would do pretty much what I would do wood-wise for some big money, and I am a fairly good woodworker, so I could do a decent job on it myself but it would be a fair amount of work. I could go to a gun shop and take some measurements and photos and such to get it right. --R On 10/26/14 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm going to look at the Mossberg 500 All Purpose and see how that might work out. The range has rental guns, too, so that might be a good chance to try a few different things out to see what would be best. One of my former business partners is a hard core grouse hunter - he takes off for a hunt in North Dakota every year for two weeks. He has a very expensive over/under 12 gauge shotgun made in England that was $8,000 he uses. We got to shoot it on a regular basis, and while it was nice, it did the same thing a much less expensive shotgun did Thanks to all for the info and suggestions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd stick with 12 gage as long as the gun fits the shooter. Everything is harder to find and often more expensive in 20 gage. Lower recoil target shells are readily available in 12 gage. I think a pump gun is more versatile (and less expensive) than a side-by-side or over-under configuration. As others have mentioned, a basic pump gun (e.g. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series) can be had for a few hundred dollars, new. But the sky is the limit in fancy guns. My neighbor (competes at Nationals) has guns costing over $10K. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com http://www.okiebenz.com/ To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
Oooh, one to watch out for on buying older guns if you're thinking to shoot trap or skeet is an Ithaca, they used kind of a strange under loading system which is a PITA to use when loading only one shell like in trap. It can be done but its frustrating... -Curt From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Dan Penoff' d...@penoff.com; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns Yes, for sure the pumps will be very serviceable and a lot cheaper than an O/U. I believe the Mossberg is ok, but have a strong prejudice in favor of the Rem. 870. It's the preferred shotgun among the LE people, whose lives depend on reliable performance. I would take a look at both. A possible source of a bargain in a 12 ga. pump is an older gun that only takes 2 3/4 shells. This is no handicap for a trap or skeet shooter, and possibly a really good $ savings. Hunters will want a gun with at least 3 chambers. I have a Browning BPS with 3 1/2 chambers. Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FW: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo
I have never seen one of those. On Oct 26, 2014 6:14 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I like the w115 euro limos. All class:) Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd prefer one of those 240D limos. On Oct 26, 2014 2:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: With it or in it? On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Pretty much hideous, but I could see having it, and doing something vulgar with it. --R On 10/26/14 2:13 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Lng one for sale Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:10:01 -0700 fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/4717892439.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNjc5MTI2N3i_Zmc- vVbafJgCnO2YtTLA4JhTnsP2qylH_KJ_Ir-yEt9DUnwb-UGI0rHJiZFR3Q ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
Kleb They're junk. You could sell them to me for $500 /Kleb Really. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On a related aspect to all this -- my FIL shot traps or skeets or whatever for a long time. When he got to where he could not shoot any more (he had really bad juvenile rheumatoid arthritis for most of his life, it finally got too hard to hold the gun and he wanted safety above all), so he passed 2 of his guns on to us. One is a Browning Citori and one I think is a Beretta, both very nice guns he had for a long time. I'll have to get them out and see exactly what they are. He shortened up the stocks on them so he could use them better given his arthritis, which pretty much makes them useless to anyone over about 12yo. I have long arms so I would want a longer than stock stock, or put one of those rubber ends on to extend a stock stock a bit. I was thinking to redo the stocks somehow, either make new extensions (walnut, which I have) or just buy some new ones to put on them. They still make these guns so would it be easiest to contact the factory and see what they could do? I would suppose a gun smith would do pretty much what I would do wood-wise for some big money, and I am a fairly good woodworker, so I could do a decent job on it myself but it would be a fair amount of work. I could go to a gun shop and take some measurements and photos and such to get it right. --R On 10/26/14 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm going to look at the Mossberg 500 All Purpose and see how that might work out. The range has rental guns, too, so that might be a good chance to try a few different things out to see what would be best. One of my former business partners is a hard core grouse hunter - he takes off for a hunt in North Dakota every year for two weeks. He has a very expensive over/under 12 gauge shotgun made in England that was $8,000 he uses. We got to shoot it on a regular basis, and while it was nice, it did the same thing a much less expensive shotgun did Thanks to all for the info and suggestions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd stick with 12 gage as long as the gun fits the shooter. Everything is harder to find and often more expensive in 20 gage. Lower recoil target shells are readily available in 12 gage. I think a pump gun is more versatile (and less expensive) than a side-by-side or over-under configuration. As others have mentioned, a basic pump gun (e.g. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series) can be had for a few hundred dollars, new. But the sky is the limit in fancy guns. My neighbor (competes at Nationals) has guns costing over $10K. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] FW: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo
The factory did long wheelbase versions of the W115, W123 and possibly the W108, I think. Mostly for commercial (taxi) service. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have never seen one of those. On Oct 26, 2014 6:14 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I like the w115 euro limos. All class:) Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'd prefer one of those 240D limos. On Oct 26, 2014 2:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: With it or in it? On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Pretty much hideous, but I could see having it, and doing something vulgar with it. --R On 10/26/14 2:13 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Lng one for sale Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:10:01 -0700 fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 1987 Mercedes Benz 560 Limo http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/4717892439.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNjc5MTI2N3i_Zmc- vVbafJgCnO2YtTLA4JhTnsP2qylH_KJ_Ir-yEt9DUnwb-UGI0rHJiZFR3Q ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
I second the advice from brother Grant - the best shotgun is one that fits. It will feel good, point naturally, and won't beat you up with recoil. The recoil thing is very important. It is easy to develop a flinch from recoil that will ruin enjoyment and performance. Once started flinching it is hard to stop. IMHO the gas-operated semiautomactics, like the Remington 1100, are the best choice for the novice clay target shooter. They are not a big investment and this sort of gun will allow a person to shoot a lot, which is the way to build competence. Then maybe move to a special purpose heavy and expensive over and under if clay shooting turns out to be one's sport of choice. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Freedom is the consciousness of necessity. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
If you want to give the (clay) pigeon a sporting chance, use a single shot 410. I used to be better than my buddies using 12 and 20 ga pumps and semi-autos with my 410. Now, that's not saying a lot, since non of us were good . . . . Otherwise, I like my Winchster model 50 semi-auto shotgun (pre-'64) for shooting clay birds. On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:32 PM, David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I second the advice from brother Grant - the best shotgun is one that fits. It will feel good, point naturally, and won't beat you up with recoil. The recoil thing is very important. It is easy to develop a flinch from recoil that will ruin enjoyment and performance. Once started flinching it is hard to stop. IMHO the gas-operated semiautomactics, like the Remington 1100, are the best choice for the novice clay target shooter. They are not a big investment and this sort of gun will allow a person to shoot a lot, which is the way to build competence. Then maybe move to a special purpose heavy and expensive over and under if clay shooting turns out to be one's sport of choice. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
You're confusing Ebol-ee with the zombie virus --R (sent from my miniPad) On Oct 26, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Has there been a run on shotguns yet, in preparation for the coming ebola apocalypse? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
Second the .410. Problem is, they are expensive shells. as are 16 and 20 ga. for trap, 12 is best, because they are cheap and easy to reload. reloading components are cheaper too. In HS, I shot a lot of trap, and had a win 1200 pump with vetilated rib barrel. I know, everyone poo-poos the 1200, but mine worked flawlessly. Even the 12 ga powder is cheaper. I was looking at some old powder cans I stored some brass in. One was marked $2.95 and another was $3.25. Those were the days. $6 for a case of 10 boxes of .22 LR back then too. For accuracy, i'll pick a singe shot .410 every time. For Dan. I'd suggest the Remington 870 for new or used, or a Win, Rem, or Browning semi-auto, or a single shot. Since the range has rentals, rent all they have until you decide what fits. If you want to give the (clay) pigeon a sporting chance, use a single shot 410. I used to be better than my buddies using 12 and 20 ga pumps and semi-autos with my 410. Now, that's not saying a lot, since non of us were good . . . . Otherwise, I like my Winchster model 50 semi-auto shotgun (pre-'64) for shooting clay birds. On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:32 PM, David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I second the advice from brother Grant - the best shotgun is one that fits. It will feel good, point naturally, and won't beat you up with recoil. The recoil thing is very important. It is easy to develop a flinch from recoil that will ruin enjoyment and performance. Once started flinching it is hard to stop. IMHO the gas-operated semiautomactics, like the Remington 1100, are the best choice for the novice clay target shooter. They are not a big investment and this sort of gun will allow a person to shoot a lot, which is the way to build competence. Then maybe move to a special purpose heavy and expensive over and under if clay shooting turns out to be one's sport of choice. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
One of my favorite skeet guns is a Baretta 686 , in 12 gage, with barrel inserts that let me shoot 28 gage, 16 gage, 20 gage, and 410 gage. Both the original barrel [12 gage] and the inserts have screw in chokes that let me tune the gun to the load and the competition. Regardless of the gage, I am shooting the same gun which is fine tune fitted to my personal grip and stance. I went pretty heavy into the shooting budget to build the setup, as you may imagine. But then.. I did give up whiskey and women.. ;)) If you do regular skeet shooting, you burn up a lot of ammo so it makes sense to own a good quality reload setup. Shot shells can be safely reloaded several times, and component costs, although increased, still make economic sense. One thing I do is reduce load both shot and powder charge for skeet from standard loads. It cuts down on the shoulder trama after a 50 round competition and it cuts the powder and shot cost considerably.. If you choose to do that, just pattern the gun with your load so you know the shot spread at skeet yardage. It's a whole different game than hunting where you may be late on a bird rise and have to take a really long shot. Rule in shooting skeet is the more you shoot, the better you get, the better you get the more fun it is. Find a good shooting instructor early to break bad habits and build good ones and it will be well invested time and money. Mercedes content: The new Mercedes bus will have a reloading bench and a gun locker for the skeet guns. I plan to use it to attend various skeet shooting events around the country. May as well travel in comfort.;)) Grant... On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Second the .410. Problem is, they are expensive shells. as are 16 and 20 ga. for trap, 12 is best, because they are cheap and easy to reload. reloading components are cheaper too. In HS, I shot a lot of trap, and had a win 1200 pump with vetilated rib barrel. I know, everyone poo-poos the 1200, but mine worked flawlessly. Even the 12 ga powder is cheaper. I was looking at some old powder cans I stored some brass in. One was marked $2.95 and another was $3.25. Those were the days. $6 for a case of 10 boxes of .22 LR back then too. For accuracy, i'll pick a singe shot .410 every time. For Dan. I'd suggest the Remington 870 for new or used, or a Win, Rem, or Browning semi-auto, or a single shot. Since the range has rentals, rent all they have until you decide what fits. If you want to give the (clay) pigeon a sporting chance, use a single shot 410. I used to be better than my buddies using 12 and 20 ga pumps and semi-autos with my 410. Now, that's not saying a lot, since non of us were good . . . . Otherwise, I like my Winchster model 50 semi-auto shotgun (pre-'64) for shooting clay birds. On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:32 PM, David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I second the advice from brother Grant - the best shotgun is one that fits. It will feel good, point naturally, and won't beat you up with recoil. The recoil thing is very important. It is easy to develop a flinch from recoil that will ruin enjoyment and performance. Once started flinching it is hard to stop. IMHO the gas-operated semiautomactics, like the Remington 1100, are the best choice for the novice clay target shooter. They are not a big investment and this sort of gun will allow a person to shoot a lot, which is the way to build competence. Then maybe move to a special purpose heavy and expensive over and under if clay shooting turns out to be one's sport of choice. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 21:28:44 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Kleb They're junk. You could sell them to me for $500 /Kleb So now Kaleb is an HTML tag?! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
IIRC theres a kind of sporting clays that is only .410. For trap you're at a huge disadvantage and as somebody else mentioned it'd get spendy quick. That said Dad got a case of .410 in #9s for $20 at a Rod Gun club auction. He's got a little single barrel New England arms .410 that we call The Harvester for all the critters its shot. I've shot a bunch of partridge with it plus nuisance squirrels, porcupines, groundhogs etc. Its never let me down and is nice and small to carry. I wish it had real sights, it'd make a decent deer gun (with slugs of course) at short ranges. -Curt From: OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: David Kristin Gilmore dandkgilm...@frontier.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns If you want to give the (clay) pigeon a sporting chance, use a single shot 410. I used to be better than my buddies using 12 and 20 ga pumps and semi-autos with my 410. Now, that's not saying a lot, since non of us were good . . . . Otherwise, I like my Winchster model 50 semi-auto shotgun (pre-'64) for shooting clay birds. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:39:58 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Once I shot 8 rounds of trap in a row only taking breaks for more shells and a quick sip of water while the trap machine was being reloaded. After that I about fell down... My dad used to tell the story of an incident of when he was a boy (about 10, I'd guess, so that would be about 1933 in Minneapolis). Another boy got into his (that boy's) father's gun collection and brought out to the several boys milling about down the street from his house a 10 gauge, double-barrel, double trigger shotgun. He asked how to shoot it. Offering helpful advice, the group told him to put fingers on both triggers and then press one and then the other. The lad did just that. The first shot knocked him off his feet and onto his back. As his shoulders hit the dirt, the second shot went off driving the shotgun into his shoulder, which was now backed up by dirt. After awhile, the poor fellow scraped himself off the ground and lumbered away with the shotgun. He never did say what happened after that ... And then there was the story of my grandfather growing up in Maine, who with his buddies made a crossbow with Model T springs and a projectile from a couple of Model T valve stems welded together! They finished their creation, cocked it, loaded a projectile, angled it upwards, and let it fly! The projectile disappeared from sight leaving them wondering what had become of it. They found out a few days later from a picture in the newspaper. The projectile had flown a distance, crashed through someone's window, and embedded itself in a Ming table. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
Boys will be boys. I grew up with full access to the family machine shop, which was equipped to build just about anything. Being inventive, I came up with the idea to make a carbide cannon.. carbide being an easy source of acetylene gas, which delivers excellent explosive energy. A few days later out rolled a cannon made from triple wall steam pipe, with the bore just the right size to accept beer cans poured full of concrete. The charge size was set by the amount of room from the breech end to the back of the beer can, so it wasn't long till all the boys around my age in the community were involved in cannon shots. We started small. Our goal was to splash a shot into the pond down range about 2000 ft. so we started walking beer cans out while playing with elevation and shot gas charge size.. Naturally.. being boys, we used good judgement [right?] and soon the goal became how far can this thing shoot... About evening time, on the third day of shooting ... the distance money shot came about and we really let it go for broke... Shortly my neighbor arrived in his pickup truck.. shall we say... very upset? His dairy farm was 1 1/4 miles away and we had managed to deliver the concrete filled beer can through the roof of his milking barn.. with a barn full on cows, at milking time... [can you start counting how many bad decisions it took to do that?] The only really good news was, no one was killed, no animals were injured... The next day, my father cut the cannon up and delivered it to the scrap yard..while I was at school.. I never saw it again.. All members of the cannon shooting club were given the task of rebuilding the neighbors barn.. and buying the materials to do the job, with a strict time schedule. Which we did. On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:39:58 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Once I shot 8 rounds of trap in a row only taking breaks for more shells and a quick sip of water while the trap machine was being reloaded. After that I about fell down... My dad used to tell the story of an incident of when he was a boy (about 10, I'd guess, so that would be about 1933 in Minneapolis). Another boy got into his (that boy's) father's gun collection and brought out to the several boys milling about down the street from his house a 10 gauge, double-barrel, double trigger shotgun. He asked how to shoot it. Offering helpful advice, the group told him to put fingers on both triggers and then press one and then the other. The lad did just that. The first shot knocked him off his feet and onto his back. As his shoulders hit the dirt, the second shot went off driving the shotgun into his shoulder, which was now backed up by dirt. After awhile, the poor fellow scraped himself off the ground and lumbered away with the shotgun. He never did say what happened after that ... And then there was the story of my grandfather growing up in Maine, who with his buddies made a crossbow with Model T springs and a projectile from a couple of Model T valve stems welded together! They finished their creation, cocked it, loaded a projectile, angled it upwards, and let it fly! The projectile disappeared from sight leaving them wondering what had become of it. They found out a few days later from a picture in the newspaper. The projectile had flown a distance, crashed through someone's window, and embedded itself in a Ming table. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
