Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Curly is really Loren, right? I haven't seen Curly expounding on the virtues of corn whiskey as a gasoline additive. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
OK Don via Mercedes wrote: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/the-10-least-reliable-cars/ss-BBezB2q#image=2 Well, that article ranks it as more reliable than a Dodge Dart, Ford Fiesta or Chevy Cruze Turbo. And far more reliable than the Jeep Cherokee, which has a reputation for serious reliability issues with its...wait for it...Bluetooth pairing! (I'd be a lot more upset if my brand new S-classe had active suspension problems than if my Jeep refused to stay interfaced with my phone) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Car Deal for Jaime
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Is bad reverse easily fixable? i.e., tranny is not necessarily buggered? If the adjusting screw on the reverse band (is this the same old 4 speed that's in my 300SD?) has come loose, it's a VERY easy fix. The normal wear mode is for the time to engage reverse to get longer, and longer, and longer until it doesn't engage, but I wouldn't expect that at less than 100k mi. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Car Deal for Jaime
I'll keep this in mind. I'd really like a 560SEL, actually. $1800 is still too much for a car that needs a trans (even if its just B2 piston) and stopped running. Fuel filters on these don't clog like he described, so its likely something else. I also wonder if those pictures are actually of this car. Too bad its white. The adjustable reverse band like on the W116 300SD is only on the 722.1 transmissions. Every two years or so I need to screw it back in on my 300SD. At some point I need to remove the kickdown solenoid and tighten it up better. Access is difficult. Jaime On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Here you go, Jaime - a fixer-upper at an Okie Acres price: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2135585-feeler-1991-560sel.html#post10017353 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
Its interesting how many are listed because of some infotainment problem (Navigation, bluetooth, etc). Seeing as the quality of these features for the US in the S class have been largely my responsibility over the last 4 years or so, I'm quite pleased :-) Jaime On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK Don via Mercedes wrote: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/the-10-least-reliable-cars/ss- BBezB2q#image=2 Well, that article ranks it as more reliable than a Dodge Dart, Ford Fiesta or Chevy Cruze Turbo. And far more reliable than the Jeep Cherokee, which has a reputation for serious reliability issues with its...wait for it...Bluetooth pairing! (I'd be a lot more upset if my brand new S-classe had active suspension problems than if my Jeep refused to stay interfaced with my phone) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - SAC ALERT DINING
That right there is why we beat the godless commies. Well, at least the rooshan version. I think Milt should re-enlist as Pootie is starting to become an annoyance again. --R On 11/21/14 1:11 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: SAC ALERT DINING - BATTLE OF THE FRENCH FRIES By Wilton Strickland The usual dining fare at Strategic Air Command (SAC) alert facilities was most often very good, possibly too good. The dining room was set up as a small cafeteria, with a short list of choices on the serving line: for example, for breakfast; cereal, scrambled eggs, grits, sausage, bacon, ham; for lunch and/or dinner, steak, hot dogs, hamburgers, cheeseburgers, baked potatoes, French fries, carrots, beans, corn, etc. One day in 1974 at Kincheloe AFB, MI, because I had not had breakfast, I was first in line for lunch. The airman/cook/server (his master sergeant supervisor leaning against the wall behind him watching and listening) on the serving line asked me what I would like to have. “A steak and French fries, please.” His reply, “Sir, you can’t have French fries with steak.” I asked, “Why not?” He replied, “Sir, if you want French fries, you’ll have to get a hamburger or a cheeseburger. If you want potato with steak, you’ll have to get a baked potato - French fries go with hamburger or cheeseburger; baked potato goes with steak.” I told him, “I don’t want a baked potato, I want French fries.” He put my steak back and started to put a hamburger on my plate. I reminded him that I had asked for a steak and, “I’m going to get some French fries with it.” He insisted, “The French fries go with the hamburger/cheeseburger; the baked potato goes with the steak.” Now, I began to lose my patience, “I’m a highly-trained professional whom Congress has entrusted with some of the nation’s topmost secrets. Our commanders have confined me here on alert ready to launch at a moment’s notice and strike targets in the Soviet Union with nuclear weapons, and you’re telling me I’m forbidden to have French fries with my steak? You put some French fries on that plate with a steak right NOW!” (Never before nor since have I ordered an enlistee in such a manner, and am embarrassed to have done so. I said it more so in protest of the dining facility’s policy and for the benefit of the master sergeant supervisor rather than so much to the young airman, who was merely following the sergeant’s instructions.) The server complied immediately, and I went on my way to enjoy the lunch of my choice. Henceforth, all diners at the alert facility had their choice of fries or baked potato. Many years later, after I had retired, I called a friend at The Pentagon who had witnessed the episode (in line behind me). He told me that the story of the “highly-trained professional who insisted on having French fries with his steak” was well known in the halls of that highest of US military headquarters. He said that he had related the story to the SECDEF and the Chiefs of Staff, all of whom had a good laugh over it. I would rather have been known there for having been an outstanding officer and warrior than to have been notorious for having won a silly battle over French fries, but we often have little control over what history records. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
You should remember that the normal Mercedes maintenance is considered a defect in these surveys. The normal auto buyer in the US thinks that brake pads should last at least 10 years, and changing oil is a biannual sort of thing. A Mercedes is unreliable if it requires service at 20,000 mile intervals, as they NEVER perform any routine maintenance. I've been seeing this for decades. Of course, the Mercedes will last them 30 years, but the typical buyer (most of them are leased now) is bored with the loss of absolute newness in a couple years and want's another one. That said, the newer models are NOT as rock solid as the older ones, excepting the rust issues with the ones made in the late 60's and early 70's with Russian high phosphate steel. Seen any W116s lately? New models have electronic problems, which appear to be getting worse, and suffer from much lower quality build (thank you Chrysler!) and I'm not sure what I'm going to replace my W124's with when they do wear out -- 250k on the TE and 410k on the 300D. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
Replace it with a w204 c class. Those are quite reliable from what I've been hearing. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You should remember that the normal Mercedes maintenance is considered a defect in these surveys. The normal auto buyer in the US thinks that brake pads should last at least 10 years, and changing oil is a biannual sort of thing. A Mercedes is unreliable if it requires service at 20,000 mile intervals, as they NEVER perform any routine maintenance. I've been seeing this for decades. Of course, the Mercedes will last them 30 years, but the typical buyer (most of them are leased now) is bored with the loss of absolute newness in a couple years and want's another one. That said, the newer models are NOT as rock solid as the older ones, excepting the rust issues with the ones made in the late 60's and early 70's with Russian high phosphate steel. Seen any W116s lately? New models have electronic problems, which appear to be getting worse, and suffer from much lower quality build (thank you Chrysler!) and I'm not sure what I'm going to replace my W124's with when they do wear out -- 250k on the TE and 410k on the 300D. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - SAC ALERT DINING
He's far from an annoyance - using 1930's Hitler tactics to expand his territory. He figures, Dolphie got away with it (Munich, etc), why can't I? So far, it's working as long as we merely wring our hands. Uh-oh! 'Leaning toward political! In trouble now. Wilt - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - SAC ALERT DINING That right there is why we beat the godless commies. Well, at least the rooshan version. I think Milt should re-enlist as Pootie is starting to become an annoyance again. --R On 11/21/14 1:11 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: SAC ALERT DINING - BATTLE OF THE FRENCH FRIES By Wilton Strickland The usual dining fare at Strategic Air Command (SAC) alert facilities was most often very good, possibly too good. The dining room was set up as a small cafeteria, with a short list of choices on the serving line: for example, for breakfast; cereal, scrambled eggs, grits, sausage, bacon, ham; for lunch and/or dinner, steak, hot dogs, hamburgers, cheeseburgers, baked potatoes, French fries, carrots, beans, corn, etc. One day in 1974 at Kincheloe AFB, MI, because I had not had breakfast, I was first in line for lunch. The airman/cook/server (his master sergeant supervisor leaning against the wall behind him watching and listening) on the serving line asked me what I would like to have. “A steak and French fries, please.” His reply, “Sir, you can’t have French fries with steak.” I asked, “Why not?” He replied, “Sir, if you want French fries, you’ll have to get a hamburger or a cheeseburger. If you want potato with steak, you’ll have to get a baked potato - French fries go with hamburger or cheeseburger; baked potato goes with steak.” I told him, “I don’t want a baked potato, I want French fries.” He put my steak back and started to put a hamburger on my plate. I reminded him that I had asked for a steak and, “I’m going to get some French fries with it.” He insisted, “The French fries go with the hamburger/cheeseburger; the baked potato goes with the steak.” Now, I began to lose my patience, “I’m a highly-trained professional whom Congress has entrusted with some of the nation’s topmost secrets. Our commanders have confined me here on alert ready to launch at a moment’s notice and strike targets in the Soviet Union with nuclear weapons, and you’re telling me I’m forbidden to have French fries with my steak? You put some French fries on that plate with a steak right NOW!” (Never before nor since have I ordered an enlistee in such a manner, and am embarrassed to have done so. I said it more so in protest of the dining facility’s policy and for the benefit of the master sergeant supervisor rather than so much to the young airman, who was merely following the sergeant’s instructions.) The server complied immediately, and I went on my way to enjoy the lunch of my choice. Henceforth, all diners at the alert facility had their choice of fries or baked potato. Many years later, after I had retired, I called a friend at The Pentagon who had witnessed the episode (in line behind me). He told me that the story of the “highly-trained professional who insisted on having French fries with his steak” was well known in the halls of that highest of US military headquarters. He said that he had related the story to the SECDEF and the Chiefs of Staff, all of whom had a good laugh over it. I would rather have been known there for having been an outstanding officer and warrior than to have been notorious for having won a silly battle over French fries, but we often have little control over what history records. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the
Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells
As a proud Boilermaker I need to share this story. I had a roommate for awhile who was studying animal science or something, wanted to be a vet. Anyway, one Saturday morning he comes home from some class or something and asks if I want to make $20 for a couple hours of work. Sure, that's good money. Then he tells me we need to round up some sheep and put them in various pens, something to do with some study someone was doing at one of the farms. I thought about it a bit, figured sheep were fairly docile and stupid so how hard could it be. So I go out to the farm and meet him, some grad student there shows us this pen of maybe 40 sheep with tags on them, and where the particular ones needed to go into these pens. No problem. So we start in on grabbing sheep and trying to direct them into the pens. 3 things became rapidly apparent. First there is no good place to grab a sheep even though they had not been sheared, they have oil in their wool that is sorta slippery and greasy. Second, they were big and fairly strong and don't want to do anything you want them to do. Third, they are fast when they run away and fight hard when you do catch them. So this ends up taking maybe 4 hours, the girl gives us our $20. Beer money for the weekend. I go get in the car, and after driving for a few minutes I realize I stink bad. Like REALLY bad. And the stank is getting in my car. So all windows down, that moderates it a bit. I get back to the apartment and get to thinking that if I go in and leave my clothes there I will stink the place up. So I run in and grab some other clothes and go down to the laundry room, shuck my clothes and throw them into the washer, then go back to take a shower, which required copious quantities of soap and hot water and shampoo, etc. About the time I finish the roommate comes home, he is stinking too. So I tell him to do what I did, he starts arguing with me about it, does not see what the issue is. Being that he was a farm kid I get that, but I tell him he did not need to be stinking up the apartment. he finally relents and takes his stuff down to the laundry too. I think we had to run the clothes through 2 or 3 times. Some time later I go meet my girlfriend to go out for supper or whatever, we're sitting around and she starts sniffing and going, eww what stinks. So I say, ewe are right, it's ewe! She says. Me? No way! And I say, na it's not ewe, its me! so then the pun sorta loses it's relevance and I explain the whole sheep thing, which then deteriorates into feigned jealousy about my interest in sheep etc. such that later I had to prove my interest not in sheep but in her, at which point I shall end this story. --R On 11/21/14 5:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I worked on several biogas projects through Purdue University in the late 70s/early 80s based at total confinement hog farms in the Lafayette, IN area. The smallest had roughly 2,000 head under one roof and it generated more than enough biogas to provide heat and power a standby generator. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - SAC ALERT DINING
I suspect the response is much more what do I do to stop someone who is obviously a lunatic and has a large stockpile of nuclear weapons he might well use. No easy answers, like usual. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Best wire for accordion joints at doors
Thanks Mitch, I think this silicone covered fine-strand wire is exactly what I'm looking for. Now to find a color selection at reasonable cost... On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: There's some very soft stuff sold for R/C models, like 400-600 strands with hi temp silicone insulation. I wouldn't know where to get it in industrial quantities. http://www.hobbypeople.net/index.php/deans-12-gauge-wet-noodle-wire-2ft-randb.html http://store.robobugs.net/index.php?main_page=pageid=4 ___ -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
and I'm not sure what I'm going to replace my W124's with when they do wear out -- 250k on the TE and 410k on the 300D. Peter I figured that out just before I tried to sell the 240D. As I get older, chances are that the range I travel from home base is likely to get smaller. (assuming a normal progression) Therefore, a 240D becomes the ideal transportation for a less than 200 mile range. (not that they are not capable of a 2000 or 3000 range, but 5 or 6 cyl Diesels are more comfortable for those trips.) So, the last car I drive will likely be a 240D, and that is why I have 2 in ready reserve state. 240Ds also store well. they can sit for a year or 2 at a time, then start up and go as if you only ran them yesterday. (provided you maintain the battery and keep the bugs out of the fuel.) My replacement for 124s and 126s will be the 123.123.10 Or maybe if I get feeble, a 123. 123.12 for gassers, most 'merkun cars/vans are adequate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - SAC ALERT DINING
I can think of one easy answer: resume installing the defensive anti-ballistic missile system that Bush started. Putin hates that... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Nov 22, 2014 10:18 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect the response is much more what do I do to stop someone who is obviously a lunatic and has a large stockpile of nuclear weapons he might well use. No easy answers, like usual. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Bio gas from pistachio shells
Hee. For that matter, most farm animals smell, no matter what they are…. I was always amazed at these total confinement places. The one we did the most work with was an operation called “Tip Top Pigs” in Remington, IN, I believe, that was run by a father and a couple of his sons. They also raised corn (popcorn) on the 600 or so acres that they owned as well. This is an area where popcorn is the primary row crop for most large farm operations - Orville Redenbacher used to be a county agent in this area. The place was surgically clean, and if we had to go into the building where the controls for our equipment were located, we had to shower and wear a bunny suit. If we had a cold or were sick there was no entry. The building where the pigs/hogs were located was this huge “U” shaped place, where the sows with their piglets were located at one end, and as the pigs grew they progressed down to through the building until they were ready for market at the far end. Every couple of weeks they would move the pigs down to the next area in the building, which took the better part of a day to do with two people. Feeding was automated with an overhead auger system and slots or drops where the proper amount of feed was released into troughs for each area based on the size of the pig in that area. For the time it was pretty sophisticated, I thought. There were people from Purdue out there regularly, although we didn’t interact with them much. About the only time they got involved with us is when we worked on converting the generators over from LP to methane. That wasn’t a big deal for us as we worked with all sorts of dry fuel systems, but they were pretty new to it so there was some back and forth over system design and tuning. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As a proud Boilermaker I need to share this story. I had a roommate for awhile who was studying animal science or something, wanted to be a vet. Anyway, one Saturday morning he comes home from some class or something and asks if I want to make $20 for a couple hours of work. Sure, that's good money. Then he tells me we need to round up some sheep and put them in various pens, something to do with some study someone was doing at one of the farms. I thought about it a bit, figured sheep were fairly docile and stupid so how hard could it be. So I go out to the farm and meet him, some grad student there shows us this pen of maybe 40 sheep with tags on them, and where the particular ones needed to go into these pens. No problem. So we start in on grabbing sheep and trying to direct them into the pens. 3 things became rapidly apparent. First there is no good place to grab a sheep even though they had not been sheared, they have oil in their wool that is sorta slippery and greasy. Second, they were big and fairly strong and don't want to do anything you want them to do. Third, they are fast when they run away and fight hard when you do catch them. So this ends up taking maybe 4 hours, the girl gives us our $20. Beer money for the weekend. I go get in the car, and after driving for a few minutes I realize I stink bad. Like REALLY bad. And the stank is getting in my car. So all windows down, that moderates it a bit. I get back to the apartment and get to thinking that if I go in and leave my clothes there I will stink the place up. So I run in and grab some other clothes and go down to the laundry room, shuck my clothes and throw them into the washer, then go back to take a shower, which required copious quantities of soap and hot water and shampoo, etc. About the time I finish the roommate comes home, he is stinking too. So I tell him to do what I did, he starts arguing with me about it, does not see what the issue is. Being that he was a farm kid I get that, but I tell him he did not need to be stinking up the apartment. he finally relents and takes his stuff down to the laundry too. I think we had to run the clothes through 2 or 3 times. Some time later I go meet my girlfriend to go out for supper or whatever, we're sitting around and she starts sniffing and going, eww what stinks. So I say, ewe are right, it's ewe! She says. Me? No way! And I say, na it's not ewe, its me! so then the pun sorta loses it's relevance and I explain the whole sheep thing, which then deteriorates into feigned jealousy about my interest in sheep etc. such that later I had to prove my interest not in sheep but in her, at which point I shall end this story. --R On 11/21/14 5:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I worked on several biogas projects through Purdue University in the late 70s/early 80s based at total confinement hog farms in the Lafayette, IN area. The smallest had roughly 2,000 head under one roof and it generated more than enough biogas to
Re: [MBZ] Best wire for accordion joints at doors
On November 22, 2014 at 10:36 AM Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Mitch, I think this silicone covered fine-strand wire is exactly what I'm looking for. Now to find a color selection at reasonable cost... This may well be a primary source, but I don't know if they want to deal with individuals. http://www.calmont.com/?pgid=34 Wouldn't it be great to get 100' of 14 or 16ga in ten different colors, and then split it up so that ten different people get 10' of each color? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Another non-political B-52 tale - SAC ALERT DINING
R. Reagan figured out how to cage the bear. It can be done again. It just takes someone with a spine. Someone more spineless than jimmy Cahtah will be chased and/or eaten by the bear. I can think of one easy answer: resume installing the defensive anti-ballistic missile system that Bush started. Putin hates that... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Nov 22, 2014 10:18 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I suspect the response is much more what do I do to stop someone who is obviously a lunatic and has a large stockpile of nuclear weapons he might well use. No easy answers, like usual. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
The W140 is a pretty reliable chassis, especially if you go for the post “facelift” models of 1996 and later. The electronics are solid and the body/chassis/engine are robust and easy to service. I was pretty reluctant to take one on, but now that I have two with several years and miles under my belt, I’m pretty comfortable with them. Both have been very reliable cars and relatively trouble free considering they both now have over 265k on each. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: and I'm not sure what I'm going to replace my W124's with when they do wear out -- 250k on the TE and 410k on the 300D. Peter I figured that out just before I tried to sell the 240D. As I get older, chances are that the range I travel from home base is likely to get smaller. (assuming a normal progression) Therefore, a 240D becomes the ideal transportation for a less than 200 mile range. (not that they are not capable of a 2000 or 3000 range, but 5 or 6 cyl Diesels are more comfortable for those trips.) So, the last car I drive will likely be a 240D, and that is why I have 2 in ready reserve state. 240Ds also store well. they can sit for a year or 2 at a time, then start up and go as if you only ran them yesterday. (provided you maintain the battery and keep the bugs out of the fuel.) My replacement for 124s and 126s will be the 123.123.10 Or maybe if I get feeble, a 123. 123.12 for gassers, most 'merkun cars/vans are adequate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
The W140 is a pretty reliable chassis, especially if you go for the post facelift models of 1996 and later. The electronics are solid and the body/chassis/engine are robust and easy to service. I was pretty reluctant to take one on, but now that I have two with several years and miles under my belt, I'm pretty comfortable with them. Both have been very reliable cars and relatively trouble free considering they both now have over 265k on each. Dan But those are both smelly gassers aren't they? (Real Mercedes run on Diesel Fuel) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300 cd for parts available for sale
Paatz? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 1985 300 cd for parts available for sale Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:16:10 -0800 fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 1985 300 cd for parts available for sale http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/4770790905.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18xNjcxMTE2N2uXYFZh7E9_QeKVVZdxgZAaVwX9OlP2k7p_qVWpkjGAwJj1B_S9ifM3FMwvrmok5Q ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Car Deal for Jaime
I have/still have my 89 560sel. It's a sad case really. So many years ago it started leaking tranny fluid real bad from the rear pump. I replaced it but must not have got it in right because the speedo now does not work. I let the car sit and finally it would not start because the fuel pumps froze up. I then drained the tank and pulled the pumps. A few months ago I put in new pumps but have not put fuel in it to see if it would start. So in the mean time of sitting the clear coat on the roof is fubar now. It was a very nice car with only 130k miles on it. That aside I always keep my eye out for a decent 91 560sel. I want a 91 because it is the last and most refined year of the 126, you can hook a cd changer up to the radio, and they even have traction control available although it is very rare to see. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll keep this in mind. I'd really like a 560SEL, actually. $1800 is still too much for a car that needs a trans (even if its just B2 piston) and stopped running. Fuel filters on these don't clog like he described, so its likely something else. I also wonder if those pictures are actually of this car. Too bad its white. The adjustable reverse band like on the W116 300SD is only on the 722.1 transmissions. Every two years or so I need to screw it back in on my 300SD. At some point I need to remove the kickdown solenoid and tighten it up better. Access is difficult. Jaime On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Here you go, Jaime - a fixer-upper at an Okie Acres price: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2135585-feeler-1991-560sel.html#post10017353 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Kaleb C. Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars Curly is really Loren, right? Yes. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Generators
At the new Okie acres rancho costa plenty were the nearest neighbor is a mile away, we are all electric with heat pump but do have a fireplace insert that I am unsure of if it was properly installed. Anyway I think I need to get some sort of generator in case the power goes out this winter. Would like to find a big used generator that will run the whole house. Any ideas what too look for? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Run up and buy Jim Cathey's monster. It'd do the job... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Oh, poos, what about these? http://tulsa.craigslist.org/tls/4694058809.html http://tulsa.craigslist.org/rvs/4770449634.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Car Deal for Jaime
Bad slipping or no first with massive flare into second. 3 4 and reverse are normal. Or so says an old download from some old MB web site. MBZ.org Probably no one here would remember that one. ;-) Manfred Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 17:05:53 -0500 From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com I think that only reverse gear is the classic symptom of a failed B2 piston. Max Dillon, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Transmission additive
Went to Walmart yesterday to pick up some oil. Walking around I saw Zmax transmission treatment. Since my transmission has been reluctant to downshift into first when it is hot out, (not a problem right now any more), I got a little 6 Oz. bottle and put it in when I got to the parking lot. Figure it couldn't hurt too much. Lo and behold after about 5 miles or so of in town driving I notice that the transmission seems to be a bit quieter. Nah couldn't be, just subjective hope that the stuff did some good. By the time I got home 20 min. later, after a bit of fast driving I noticed that it did indeed seem to be quieter and also seemed to shift better up and down. Was it worth the $10? I'll let you know next summer when it gets hot. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
On November 22, 2014 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: At the new Okie acres rancho costa plenty were the nearest neighbor is a mile away, we are all electric with heat pump If truly all electric and not dual fuel, the fun parts are: 1. It might take a lot of generator to start the heat pump. 2. There's no reasonably sized generator that's likely to be able to run the resistance heat strips that supplement the heat pump in cold weather. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Transmission additive
My '96 Dakota had a spell where it wouldn't shift up from first, I put a quart of the Lucas transmission fixer stuff in there and after running it around a little and letting it sit overnight it got better enough to be driveable (run up the rpms, drop into neutral, back to drive and it would shift). After a couple days of driving it was mostly back to normal. I had the trans fluid changed with M1 and it was fine for another 50,000 miles or so until I got rid of the truck. My theory is the valves get varnish or crud on them and don't work right, some high detergent mystery goop gets the crud off and can restore operation. That said I still prefer a manual trans. -Curtwith only 1 of 3 vehicles possessing a manual trans. From: MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] Transmission additive Went to Walmart yesterday to pick up some oil. Walking around I saw Zmax transmission treatment. Since my transmission has been reluctant to downshift into first when it is hot out, (not a problem right now any more), I got a little 6 Oz. bottle and put it in when I got to the parking lot. Figure it couldn't hurt too much. Lo and behold after about 5 miles or so of in town driving I notice that the transmission seems to be a bit quieter. Nah couldn't be, just subjective hope that the stuff did some good. By the time I got home 20 min. later, after a bit of fast driving I noticed that it did indeed seem to be quieter and also seemed to shift better up and down. Was it worth the $10? I'll let you know next summer when it gets hot. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 08:22:05 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Its interesting how many are listed because of some infotainment problem (Navigation, bluetooth, etc). Seeing as the quality of these features for the US in the S class have been largely my responsibility over the last 4 years or so, I'm quite pleased :-) Congratulations! Way to go! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Mitch is right, a real wood burning stove would be a better backup choice. Actually if you could find a source for coal a coal burning stove is a good backup choice. Coal is relatively reasonably priced (around $310 a ton bagged in my area) and stores really well, its just rock after all. The stove can also burn wood so if you get some wood for free or cheap you can use that too. I've come very close to replacing my wood stove with a coal stove recently... -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators On November 22, 2014 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: At the new Okie acres rancho costa plenty were the nearest neighbor is a mile away, we are all electric with heat pump If truly all electric and not dual fuel, the fun parts are: 1. It might take a lot of generator to start the heat pump. 2. There's no reasonably sized generator that's likely to be able to run the resistance heat strips that supplement the heat pump in cold weather. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
I'm in a similar situation, although my neighbors are closer, and have been thinking I need a generator. Perhaps the most pressing need is to be able to run the electric winch that opens the hangar door. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If truly all electric and not dual fuel, the fun parts are: 1. It might take a lot of generator to start the heat pump. I did find out that there are soft start kits for heat pumps that reduce the surge load on startup. 2. There's no reasonably sized generator that's likely to be able to run the resistance heat strips that supplement the heat pump in cold weather. I can pull a disconnect plug in the closet and shut off power to the heat strips. The geothermal heat pump rarely uses them anyway. Kaleb would likely stay above freezing with his heat pump at least with out the heat strips. I still haven't been able to decide which circuits need to be powered (wife says all of them), and get sticker shock when I see the total cost with switch-over boxes, the generator, installation costs, etc. So far (knocking on wood), power has been more reliable out here in the country than it was when we lived in town. OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 14 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Yea, if the power is out and a herd of walkers is coming you will want to be able to get the plane out to get out of dodge. A friend of mine found a generator that is on a platform type deal and you hook it up to your tractor pto, it will run his whole house with hot tub, all the neighbors house if he wanted. I would not mind something like that. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:36 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm in a similar situation, although my neighbors are closer, and have been thinking I need a generator. Perhaps the most pressing need is to be able to run the electric winch that opens the hangar door. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If truly all electric and not dual fuel, the fun parts are: 1. It might take a lot of generator to start the heat pump. I did find out that there are soft start kits for heat pumps that reduce the surge load on startup. 2. There's no reasonably sized generator that's likely to be able to run the resistance heat strips that supplement the heat pump in cold weather. I can pull a disconnect plug in the closet and shut off power to the heat strips. The geothermal heat pump rarely uses them anyway. Kaleb would likely stay above freezing with his heat pump at least with out the heat strips. I still haven't been able to decide which circuits need to be powered (wife says all of them), and get sticker shock when I see the total cost with switch-over boxes, the generator, installation costs, etc. So far (knocking on wood), power has been more reliable out here in the country than it was when we lived in town. OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 14 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Well heck look at this http://m.harborfreight.com/16000-watts-max-15000-watts-rated-tractor-driven-pto-generator-65309.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yea, if the power is out and a herd of walkers is coming you will want to be able to get the plane out to get out of dodge. A friend of mine found a generator that is on a platform type deal and you hook it up to your tractor pto, it will run his whole house with hot tub, all the neighbors house if he wanted. I would not mind something like that. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:36 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm in a similar situation, although my neighbors are closer, and have been thinking I need a generator. Perhaps the most pressing need is to be able to run the electric winch that opens the hangar door. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If truly all electric and not dual fuel, the fun parts are: 1. It might take a lot of generator to start the heat pump. I did find out that there are soft start kits for heat pumps that reduce the surge load on startup. 2. There's no reasonably sized generator that's likely to be able to run the resistance heat strips that supplement the heat pump in cold weather. I can pull a disconnect plug in the closet and shut off power to the heat strips. The geothermal heat pump rarely uses them anyway. Kaleb would likely stay above freezing with his heat pump at least with out the heat strips. I still haven't been able to decide which circuits need to be powered (wife says all of them), and get sticker shock when I see the total cost with switch-over boxes, the generator, installation costs, etc. So far (knocking on wood), power has been more reliable out here in the country than it was when we lived in town. OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 14 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
15,000 watts = 20hp. Make sure your tractor has the ooomph for it. Also remember we're looking at a Harbor Freight tool with more than one moving part. It'll be loud and flimsy... -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators Well heck look at this http://m.harborfreight.com/16000-watts-max-15000-watts-rated-tractor-driven-pto-generator-65309.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yea, if the power is out and a herd of walkers is coming you will want to be able to get the plane out to get out of dodge. A friend of mine found a generator that is on a platform type deal and you hook it up to your tractor pto, it will run his whole house with hot tub, all the neighbors house if he wanted. I would not mind something like that. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:36 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm in a similar situation, although my neighbors are closer, and have been thinking I need a generator. Perhaps the most pressing need is to be able to run the electric winch that opens the hangar door. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If truly all electric and not dual fuel, the fun parts are: 1. It might take a lot of generator to start the heat pump. I did find out that there are soft start kits for heat pumps that reduce the surge load on startup. 2. There's no reasonably sized generator that's likely to be able to run the resistance heat strips that supplement the heat pump in cold weather. I can pull a disconnect plug in the closet and shut off power to the heat strips. The geothermal heat pump rarely uses them anyway. Kaleb would likely stay above freezing with his heat pump at least with out the heat strips. I still haven't been able to decide which circuits need to be powered (wife says all of them), and get sticker shock when I see the total cost with switch-over boxes, the generator, installation costs, etc. So far (knocking on wood), power has been more reliable out here in the country than it was when we lived in town. OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 14 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Do NOT buy a PTO driven generator. I won’t go into details, suffice to say you would regret it. You need to do a load survey first, then decide whether or not you want to power the whole house or just critical loads. It’s more expensive to power the whole house, but installation is a lot cheaper. Typical suburban home would need a 20kW unit to power it 100%, and that’s assuming it’s got AC. You can PM me if you have questions. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 15,000 watts = 20hp. Make sure your tractor has the ooomph for it. Also remember we're looking at a Harbor Freight tool with more than one moving part. It'll be loud and flimsy... -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators Well heck look at this http://m.harborfreight.com/16000-watts-max-15000-watts-rated-tractor-driven-pto-generator-65309.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yea, if the power is out and a herd of walkers is coming you will want to be able to get the plane out to get out of dodge. A friend of mine found a generator that is on a platform type deal and you hook it up to your tractor pto, it will run his whole house with hot tub, all the neighbors house if he wanted. I would not mind something like that. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 12:36 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm in a similar situation, although my neighbors are closer, and have been thinking I need a generator. Perhaps the most pressing need is to be able to run the electric winch that opens the hangar door. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If truly all electric and not dual fuel, the fun parts are: 1. It might take a lot of generator to start the heat pump. I did find out that there are soft start kits for heat pumps that reduce the surge load on startup. 2. There's no reasonably sized generator that's likely to be able to run the resistance heat strips that supplement the heat pump in cold weather. I can pull a disconnect plug in the closet and shut off power to the heat strips. The geothermal heat pump rarely uses them anyway. Kaleb would likely stay above freezing with his heat pump at least with out the heat strips. I still haven't been able to decide which circuits need to be powered (wife says all of them), and get sticker shock when I see the total cost with switch-over boxes, the generator, installation costs, etc. So far (knocking on wood), power has been more reliable out here in the country than it was when we lived in town. OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 14 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of
Re: [MBZ] S Class in top ten least reliable cars
They are, but since the diesel W140s have been less than reliable with the engine choice they offered, there’s something to be said for vergassers in this case. Don’t think there are very many W140 oil burners that have 270k on their clocks with the original engines. Fuel is cheaper, too. And mine don’t smell. At least I’ve never smelled them. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The W140 is a pretty reliable chassis, especially if you go for the post facelift models of 1996 and later. The electronics are solid and the body/chassis/engine are robust and easy to service. I was pretty reluctant to take one on, but now that I have two with several years and miles under my belt, I'm pretty comfortable with them. Both have been very reliable cars and relatively trouble free considering they both now have over 265k on each. Dan But those are both smelly gassers aren't they? (Real Mercedes run on Diesel Fuel) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
If your new Casa De Striplin is indeed all electric (no natural gas incoming at all), and you want an automatic system, a propane powered generator would seem the way to go. The tank is big and ugly though... It makes sense to have no natural gas, since OK has been earthquake prone of late. Gasoline-powered or diesel powered would work, but you would have to refuel often if the power was out for more than a few hours. I also don't know of any automatic systems that are gasoline or diesel. I am sure Dan P has a more knowledgeable opinion. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Self Driving Cars
I need a password to BRAKE? What? No! STOP! Aaaargh! Welcome to the age of the self-crashing car http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/22/i_need_a_password_to_brake_what_no_stop_rgh/ CAUTION! VULGAR LANGUAGE! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:15:39 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do NOT buy a PTO driven generator. I won’t go into details, suffice to say you would regret it. How about the details, for those who want to know? Is it lack of fuel efficiency of the prime mover? Power loss in lots of meshing gear sets? ? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Difficulty regulating speed (frequency) during operation, exposed drive elements (PTO shaft, couplings) and the need to properly anchor or secure the unit. Not to mention the hassle of setting it up, connecting it, etc. PTO sets are fine for those rare times when you need power somewhere out on the back 40. Think of what a hassle it would be when an outage occurs and you have to go out to the shop/barn, set up the generator, couple it to the tractor’s PTO, start up the tractor, set the speed, connect wires/cables, etc. Major PITA IMHO. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:15:39 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do NOT buy a PTO driven generator. I won’t go into details, suffice to say you would regret it. How about the details, for those who want to know? Is it lack of fuel efficiency of the prime mover? Power loss in lots of meshing gear sets? ? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 15:36:43 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Difficulty regulating speed (frequency) during operation, exposed drive elements (PTO shaft, couplings) and the need to properly anchor or secure the unit. Not to mention the hassle of setting it up, connecting it, etc. PTO sets are fine for those rare times when you need power somewhere out on the back 40. Think of what a hassle it would be when an outage occurs and you have to go out to the shop/barn, set up the generator, couple it to the tractor’s PTO, start up the tractor, set the speed, connect wires/cables, etc. Major PITA IMHO. It certainly is a lot more difficult than an auto-start generator, that's for sure! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Yes no gas maybe propane. I would prefer a diesel unit I guess, for sure not gas as it gets stale. My shop has 2 big heaters that are gas or propane powered but are not hooked up. Maybe I should buy a tank and have it filled and could run a line out to the shop and run that and the generator. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If your new Casa De Striplin is indeed all electric (no natural gas incoming at all), and you want an automatic system, a propane powered generator would seem the way to go. The tank is big and ugly though... It makes sense to have no natural gas, since OK has been earthquake prone of late. Gasoline-powered or diesel powered would work, but you would have to refuel often if the power was out for more than a few hours. I also don't know of any automatic systems that are gasoline or diesel. I am sure Dan P has a more knowledgeable opinion. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Yea it would he a hassle but they are a lot cheaper it seems like since you don't have to buy the motor Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Difficulty regulating speed (frequency) during operation, exposed drive elements (PTO shaft, couplings) and the need to properly anchor or secure the unit. Not to mention the hassle of setting it up, connecting it, etc. PTO sets are fine for those rare times when you need power somewhere out on the back 40. Think of what a hassle it would be when an outage occurs and you have to go out to the shop/barn, set up the generator, couple it to the tractor’s PTO, start up the tractor, set the speed, connect wires/cables, etc. Major PITA IMHO. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:15:39 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do NOT buy a PTO driven generator. I won’t go into details, suffice to say you would regret it. How about the details, for those who want to know? Is it lack of fuel efficiency of the prime mover? Power loss in lots of meshing gear sets? ? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Jetta will drive me to drink
The '98 Jetta TDI uses a plastic molded harness for the glow plugs. Its connectors plug into a big round multi connector thing and removing them is a PITA. Last spring when I replaced the harness I couldn't get the round connector thing apart so I took the internet's advice and spliced the wires. All summer I've had intermittent glow plug harness faults so I figured one of my splices probably isn't great. I didn't have heat shrink splices so I used regular splices and filled the ends with RTV. They look redneck but ought to be water tight but apparently aren't getting the job done so today I picked up some real heat shrink splices and cut one of the old ones out. Big mistake, VW didn't leave a centimeter of slack in there and now the wire is too short to get the splice tool in there. Finally after about 2 hours of farting around I got the round connector apart and got the wire sitting up in the air where I could use a pencil torch to solder to it. I soldered a 4 jumper on it so I could get the glow plug harness onto that. Covered both joints with heat shrink. I'm inside warming up for a minute before I go reset the CEL (check engine light) with my laptop and see if I cut the splice that was the problem. If not I think I'll get an OBDII adapter for my phone and I'll just reset the CEL when it comes back on. Its been about once a month all summer... Car starts perfectly even now as it gets colder so I'm confident the glow plugs are actually doing their thing. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
How much do you want to spend? Diesel will cost more up front but will last much longer and hold its value. Propane will be cheaper, lighter, and have a shorter life. Not a big deal when it comes to a standby generator, but something to consider. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes no gas maybe propane. I would prefer a diesel unit I guess, for sure not gas as it gets stale. My shop has 2 big heaters that are gas or propane powered but are not hooked up. Maybe I should buy a tank and have it filled and could run a line out to the shop and run that and the generator. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
I hadn't thought of it before but I suspect Dan is right that the tractor's governor will be rough for what you want, it'll probably overshoot as you add demand and your cycles will vary, could be hard on sensitive electronic equipment. Do you still have any diesel vehicles? I'm thinking if you did a diesel generator would be the way to go. Diesel stores well and if you had a couple diesel cars or trucks hanging around that you could siphon out of thats good reserve capacity. I stayed at a friend's camp a couple weeks ago, they've got a small gas generator wired so they can start it from inside the camp. When getting ready to wash dishes you hit the start button, it automatically runs the pump in the well which fills the pressure tank and then on to the hot water heater which is on the second floor by the shower (naturally right?). They generally fill the tank before a meal so the water is hot to wash dishes after eating. Back up power is all about what you're willing to live with. If you want to heat an all electric house with it you're going to need a helluva lot of generator. A gas fired heater would be a lot less money for the same job. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators Yea it would he a hassle but they are a lot cheaper it seems like since you don't have to buy the motor Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Difficulty regulating speed (frequency) during operation, exposed drive elements (PTO shaft, couplings) and the need to properly anchor or secure the unit. Not to mention the hassle of setting it up, connecting it, etc. PTO sets are fine for those rare times when you need power somewhere out on the back 40. Think of what a hassle it would be when an outage occurs and you have to go out to the shop/barn, set up the generator, couple it to the tractor’s PTO, start up the tractor, set the speed, connect wires/cables, etc. Major PITA IMHO. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:15:39 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do NOT buy a PTO driven generator. I won’t go into details, suffice to say you would regret it. How about the details, for those who want to know? Is it lack of fuel efficiency of the prime mover? Power loss in lots of meshing gear sets? ? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Generators
The idea of using a hybrids generator-battery as a ups is interesting since you save the cost, depreciation, maintainence, and other problems of a standard UPS. I haven't looked extensively on the net, but here are a couple of websites that might provide a few ideas: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Toyota-Prius-As-a-Backup-Generator As you will see, this one may be questionable, but it's still intriguing. http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Toyota-Prius-As-a-Backup-Generator You could do this with many cars. http://priusgen.sandbox.org/?hm http://thegreenenergy.blogspot.com/2011/07/using-hybrid-vehicle-as-generator.html There are numerous other pertinent websites if you click: prius used as generator on www.bing.com Kaleb could probably find a reasonably priced Prius or Volt since he's in the car business, and doing so would get him into the next big thing in cars: hybrids. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yes no gas maybe propane. I would prefer a diesel unit I guess, for sure not gas as it gets stale. My shop has 2 big heaters that are gas or propane powered but are not hooked up. Maybe I should buy a tank and have it filled and could run a line out to the shop and run that and the generator. You could put a 'tank wanted' ad on CL, or you could look for a tank reconditioner. There's a place about 70 miles from me that sells refurbished 330 gallon for $420 or 500 gallon for $530. Then you either buy a stationary backup generator or buy a portable and convert it to propane. Or you try to buy an old 6 cylinder diesel genset for scrap metal prices, but that can entail quite a project sometimes, remember the Cathey adventure with his propane powered Hercules? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Here is that HF one in action http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LaoaeG16ldw Ideally I would just want one of those self contained automatic generac units I guess, want to spend as little as possible up front. Those all seem to be propane or natural gas, so I would Have to go propane. Being a diesel guy I would rather have that though. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How much do you want to spend? Diesel will cost more up front but will last much longer and hold its value. Propane will be cheaper, lighter, and have a shorter life. Not a big deal when it comes to a standby generator, but something to consider. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes no gas maybe propane. I would prefer a diesel unit I guess, for sure not gas as it gets stale. My shop has 2 big heaters that are gas or propane powered but are not hooked up. Maybe I should buy a tank and have it filled and could run a line out to the shop and run that and the generator. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Propane is north of $2.30 / gallon here. It is far cheaper to heat a house with electricity than propane now. The last time I ran the numbers, propane was the most expensive way to run a generator per hour, with gas and Diesel being close to the same - before the recent fall in gas prices. I prefer Diesel, but am trucking ans storing gas for the plane, so will probably go with gas. a 55 gallon barrel, 60 gals in the plane and 25 (?) in the truck should be enough to last a while, even powering the whole house. I wonder if a 300D could power the PTO generator via a rear wheel and the cruise control for rpm regulation? On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How much do you want to spend? Diesel will cost more up front but will last much longer and hold its value. Propane will be cheaper, lighter, and have a shorter life. Not a big deal when it comes to a standby generator, but something to consider. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Propane is north of $2.30 / gallon here. It is far cheaper to heat a house with electricity than propane now. Your electricity is much cheaper than mine, or you're talking about heat pumps, not resistance heat? For me, with propane at $2.08 after tax, and electric at $0.141 after tax, a 92% efficient electric water heater costs about the same to run as a 56% efficient propane water heater. When comparing a 95% propane furnace to a 100% electric heating strip, there's no comparison, propane wins hands down. OTOH, at any temp where my heat pump has a coefficient of performance of 2 or greater, it handily beats the propane furnace. When gasoline was $4 a gallon and diesel was $4.20, propane was the hands down winner for generator fuel under heavy load. At lighter loads, diesel might still have won. Gas is $2.80 here this week, which is a bit better than $2.08 propane. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Here is how I see it: 1.) Go with one of the self contained Generac propane units. Relatively inexpensive, fairly reliable, cheap to operate and can be run off the same tank your shop heaters run off of. Probably cost you $3k-$5k total when complete, depending on the size. 2.) Buy a used diesel standby set with an automatic transfer switch. If there’s no tank, buy a sub base tank for it or have one made. You can probably find a good used take out with a few hundred hours on it that will easily power the whole house for $5k if you’re patient and do some of the work yourself. Pros/Cons: The Generac will be cheap and easy, however, it won’t run your whole house. That means you’ll have to split the critical loads out from your main panel. If you can’t do this yourself legally, it’s going to cost you some bucks with an electrician (which I highly recommend!) The Generac will be quieter than a diesel. A diesel set will cost more up front, but you can probably find a good take out unit form a municipality that’s been well maintained for the total cost of the Generac install. With this you will probably get a larger unit capable f carrying the whole house. If you’re really lucky and get a transfer switch out of the deal, you could potentially locate the generator away from the house (near the shop) to cut down on the noise. A whole house installation will be cheaper from an electrical standpoint, as you’ll only need to break the incoming feed and not split out critical loads. At my former Florida house I had a 20kW propane powered Kohler that used a Ford LSG 423 engine in a steel enclosure (not sound attenuated.) It was four feet from the side of my house and maybe 8-10 feet from the property line where there was a six foot dog eared wood fence. My next door neighbor could barely hear it, in fact, he didn’t even know I had it until I showed it to him one day. My AC unit was as loud as the generator. This was a whole house generator that carried literally everything in the house, including AC. It would probably cost about $10k-$12k today, maybe more, plus the installation. I did my own installation with the exception of the final electrical (connecting to the transfer switch) because that required a permit. I had the builder hand the switch and wire it as part of the home construction, so the only thing additional I paid for was the conduit and cable out to the generator (which I installed after the fact.) Propane was supplied by a 200 gallon underground tank, which also supplied household appliances and pool/spa heater. The only time we really needed it was when there were a series of three hurricanes that were near-misses on us in the mid 2000s. We had part of a day and nigh where power was interrupted, There were a number of other minor outages over the years, but that was the big one. Generator ran and didn’t miss a lick the whole time. A coupe of years before that we had a distribution transformer fail in the neighborhood, and the whole place went dark except for us. People started calling and asking if our power was out. “No, we’re doing just fine. No outage here” I told them. It was only later that everyone discovered we had a generator. During the hurricanes we offered to rent extension cords out at $100/day. grin Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Here is that HF one in action http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LaoaeG16ldw Ideally I would just want one of those self contained automatic generac units I guess, want to spend as little as possible up front. Those all seem to be propane or natural gas, so I would Have to go propane. Being a diesel guy I would rather have that though. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How much do you want to spend? Diesel will cost more up front but will last much longer and hold its value. Propane will be cheaper, lighter, and have a shorter life. Not a big deal when it comes to a standby generator, but something to consider. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes no gas maybe propane. I would prefer a diesel unit I guess, for sure not gas as it gets stale. My shop has 2 big heaters that are gas or propane powered but are not hooked up. Maybe I should buy a tank and have it filled and could run a line out to the shop and run that and the generator. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Difficulty regulating speed (frequency) during operation, exposed drive elements (PTO shaft, couplings) and the need to properly anchor or secure the unit. Not to mention the hassle of setting it up, connecting it, etc. PTO sets are fine for those rare times when you need power somewhere out on the back 40. Think of what a hassle it would be when an outage occurs and you have to go out to the shop/barn, set up the generator, couple it to the tractor's PTO, start up the tractor, set the speed, connect wires/cables, etc. Major PITA IMHO. Dan Most tractors built after 1960 have a mark on the tach for PTO. All have a governor that is intended to keep the engine RPM constant under varying loads. THat is a common/necessary function of tractors. Constant RPM: Set it to PTO speed, DONE Safety-PTO: Most post 1960 tractors are mounted and dismounted in front of the rear tire, not over the PTO. Not a problem with a LITTLE common sense. I'd guess Kaleb might connect the generator to the flywheel of an OM615 or an OM616, then all the tractor related issues are GONE. Mounting/tiedown: Kaleb's HF unit was a 3 point hitch mount. Hook it up. Done All minor hassles. That said, i'd opt for a Winpower PTO generator from a farm sale over the HF unit. HF unit is likely to fail when needed most. Winpower has a reputation for being reliable. Most winpower units were on a trailer and do not need to me tied down. Option: Some tractors have a forward facing mid PTO. You could mount the generator under there and have it ready at all times. Just start the tractor, move it to where you need electrojuicity, park the tractor and engage the mid PTO. Done, and it is also portable. For rare times when electric is needed, a PTO generator may be sufficient. However, for heating the Okie acres mansion without electrojuicity, a propane backup furnace or a wood/coal stove may be better options, as previously mentioned. Option: Many miller portable welders double as a generator. You could have a Benzomino with the welder in back and have portable welding and generator, and be able to drive it to Maine when needed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
If I had a pto generator I would just hook it up to the john Deere and be done with it Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Propane is north of $2.30 / gallon here. It is far cheaper to heat a house with electricity than propane now. The last time I ran the numbers, propane was the most expensive way to run a generator per hour, with gas and Diesel being close to the same - before the recent fall in gas prices. I prefer Diesel, but am trucking ans storing gas for the plane, so will probably go with gas. a 55 gallon barrel, 60 gals in the plane and 25 (?) in the truck should be enough to last a while, even powering the whole house. I wonder if a 300D could power the PTO generator via a rear wheel and the cruise control for rpm regulation? On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How much do you want to spend? Diesel will cost more up front but will last much longer and hold its value. Propane will be cheaper, lighter, and have a shorter life. Not a big deal when it comes to a standby generator, but something to consider. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta will drive me to drink
ATTABOY! 'Hope the rest of it goes well. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:53 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Jetta will drive me to drink The '98 Jetta TDI uses a plastic molded harness for the glow plugs. Its connectors plug into a big round multi connector thing and removing them is a PITA. Last spring when I replaced the harness I couldn't get the round connector thing apart so I took the internet's advice and spliced the wires. All summer I've had intermittent glow plug harness faults so I figured one of my splices probably isn't great. I didn't have heat shrink splices so I used regular splices and filled the ends with RTV. They look redneck but ought to be water tight but apparently aren't getting the job done so today I picked up some real heat shrink splices and cut one of the old ones out. Big mistake, VW didn't leave a centimeter of slack in there and now the wire is too short to get the splice tool in there. Finally after about 2 hours of farting around I got the round connector apart and got the wire sitting up in the air where I could use a pencil torch to solder to it. I soldered a 4 jumper on it so I could get the glow plug harness onto that. Covered both joints with heat shrink. I'm inside warming up for a minute before I go reset the CEL (check engine light) with my laptop and see if I cut the splice that was the problem. If not I think I'll get an OBDII adapter for my phone and I'll just reset the CEL when it comes back on. Its been about once a month all summer... Car starts perfectly even now as it gets colder so I'm confident the glow plugs are actually doing their thing. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta will drive me to drink
Maybe you need to adapt a MB gp wiring system. Or as the car talk guys used to say use black electrical tape- to put over the CEL. On Nov 22, 2014 4:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The '98 Jetta TDI uses a plastic molded harness for the glow plugs. Its connectors plug into a big round multi connector thing and removing them is a PITA. Last spring when I replaced the harness I couldn't get the round connector thing apart so I took the internet's advice and spliced the wires. All summer I've had intermittent glow plug harness faults so I figured one of my splices probably isn't great. I didn't have heat shrink splices so I used regular splices and filled the ends with RTV. They look redneck but ought to be water tight but apparently aren't getting the job done so today I picked up some real heat shrink splices and cut one of the old ones out. Big mistake, VW didn't leave a centimeter of slack in there and now the wire is too short to get the splice tool in there. Finally after about 2 hours of farting around I got the round connector apart and got the wire sitting up in the air where I could use a pencil torch to solder to it. I soldered a 4 jumper on it so I could get the glow plug harness onto that. Covered both joints with heat shrink. I'm inside warming up for a minute before I go reset the CEL (check engine light) with my laptop and see if I cut the splice that was the problem. If not I think I'll get an OBDII adapter for my phone and I'll just reset the CEL when it comes back on. Its been about once a month all summer... Car starts perfectly even now as it gets colder so I'm confident the glow plugs are actually doing their thing. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
My tractor just has a rear pto and it does have tach for pto speed. Only thing to worry about is having it out running and somebody comes along and drives it off or something. So would a 15k me enough to run a whole house or do you need 20k or bigger? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Difficulty regulating speed (frequency) during operation, exposed drive elements (PTO shaft, couplings) and the need to properly anchor or secure the unit. Not to mention the hassle of setting it up, connecting it, etc. PTO sets are fine for those rare times when you need power somewhere out on the back 40. Think of what a hassle it would be when an outage occurs and you have to go out to the shop/barn, set up the generator, couple it to the tractor's PTO, start up the tractor, set the speed, connect wires/cables, etc. Major PITA IMHO. Dan Most tractors built after 1960 have a mark on the tach for PTO. All have a governor that is intended to keep the engine RPM constant under varying loads. THat is a common/necessary function of tractors. Constant RPM: Set it to PTO speed, DONE Safety-PTO: Most post 1960 tractors are mounted and dismounted in front of the rear tire, not over the PTO. Not a problem with a LITTLE common sense. I'd guess Kaleb might connect the generator to the flywheel of an OM615 or an OM616, then all the tractor related issues are GONE. Mounting/tiedown: Kaleb's HF unit was a 3 point hitch mount. Hook it up. Done All minor hassles. That said, i'd opt for a Winpower PTO generator from a farm sale over the HF unit. HF unit is likely to fail when needed most. Winpower has a reputation for being reliable. Most winpower units were on a trailer and do not need to me tied down. Option: Some tractors have a forward facing mid PTO. You could mount the generator under there and have it ready at all times. Just start the tractor, move it to where you need electrojuicity, park the tractor and engage the mid PTO. Done, and it is also portable. For rare times when electric is needed, a PTO generator may be sufficient. However, for heating the Okie acres mansion without electrojuicity, a propane backup furnace or a wood/coal stove may be better options, as previously mentioned. Option: Many miller portable welders double as a generator. You could have a Benzomino with the welder in back and have portable welding and generator, and be able to drive it to Maine when needed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] How about this
Diesel Generator http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4726486027.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Diesel Generator http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4726486027.html I don't know, it's only 0.2 MW. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Planning on powering the whole neighborhood? You’ll need a BIG air compressor, too, as that big black hose on the right is an air line for the starter (air starter). No air or large storage tank full of air and no start. Unusual for a unit of this size. The problem you will run into with the larger commercial stuff is finding a unit that can be reconnected to 120/240 V single phase. Most 12 lead generators can be, but they lose roughly 1/3 of their rated output at single phase ratings due to losses. That’s not a bad thing, but if you buy a three phase 15kW unit, you’ll only end up with maybe 10kW when you reconnect it for single phase operation. If you’re patient you should be able to find a decent gas unit below 50kW for under $5k, or even less depending on size. Again, a lot of these are take-outs from municipalities that are upgrading or renovating. They will have been well maintained and have low (under 500) hours on them depending on the age. And old isn’t bad here - think about a 240D versus a W140. Controls and other bits are much simpler and easier to repair/replace. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Diesel Generator http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4726486027.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Can’t say. I would need to see a list of your electrical loads. Sort of like asking a doctor to diagnose you over the phone…. Generac and Kohler both have sizing calculators on their web sites. You can plug your numbers into these and get an idea of what you would need kW-wise: http://www.kohlergenerators.com/home-generators/selector#your-home http://www.kohlergenerators.com/home-generators/selector#your-home http://www.generac.com/for-homeowners/home-backup-power/build-your-generator http://www.generac.com/for-homeowners/home-backup-power/build-your-generator I did both, and the Kohler site said I needed 8kW for a whole house unit, while Generac said 12kW-14kW. I think Kohler is on crack, as it is highly unlikely an 8kW generator is going to start my 3.5 ton AC unit. The 14kW Generac WITH a transfer switch is $3500 out the door. That’s pretty darned cheap, IMHO. While everyone in the commercial generator business has looked down their noses at Generac over the years, they have gotten the consumer grade stuff nailed down better than anyone else in the business, and it’s really a good product from my experience. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My tractor just has a rear pto and it does have tach for pto speed. Only thing to worry about is having it out running and somebody comes along and drives it off or something. So would a 15k me enough to run a whole house or do you need 20k or bigger? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Difficulty regulating speed (frequency) during operation, exposed drive elements (PTO shaft, couplings) and the need to properly anchor or secure the unit. Not to mention the hassle of setting it up, connecting it, etc. PTO sets are fine for those rare times when you need power somewhere out on the back 40. Think of what a hassle it would be when an outage occurs and you have to go out to the shop/barn, set up the generator, couple it to the tractor's PTO, start up the tractor, set the speed, connect wires/cables, etc. Major PITA IMHO. Dan Most tractors built after 1960 have a mark on the tach for PTO. All have a governor that is intended to keep the engine RPM constant under varying loads. THat is a common/necessary function of tractors. Constant RPM: Set it to PTO speed, DONE Safety-PTO: Most post 1960 tractors are mounted and dismounted in front of the rear tire, not over the PTO. Not a problem with a LITTLE common sense. I'd guess Kaleb might connect the generator to the flywheel of an OM615 or an OM616, then all the tractor related issues are GONE. Mounting/tiedown: Kaleb's HF unit was a 3 point hitch mount. Hook it up. Done All minor hassles. That said, i'd opt for a Winpower PTO generator from a farm sale over the HF unit. HF unit is likely to fail when needed most. Winpower has a reputation for being reliable. Most winpower units were on a trailer and do not need to me tied down. Option: Some tractors have a forward facing mid PTO. You could mount the generator under there and have it ready at all times. Just start the tractor, move it to where you need electrojuicity, park the tractor and engage the mid PTO. Done, and it is also portable. For rare times when electric is needed, a PTO generator may be sufficient. However, for heating the Okie acres mansion without electrojuicity, a propane backup furnace or a wood/coal stove may be better options, as previously mentioned. Option: Many miller portable welders double as a generator. You could have a Benzomino with the welder in back and have portable welding and generator, and be able to drive it to Maine when needed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Go big or go home... as the saying goes... Perfect size to run a circus midway... should only cost you about 6 to 10 gallons of fuel per hour at full load... Picking the right size generator requires taking a serious look at your actual electrical usage and needs, then work backwards to select a generator that fills those needs with some room for growth.. My pick was diesel simply because diesel will store for longer period without becoming unusable. 3 months storage and gas will be quite stale and you will have running / starting problems.. Also a water cooled diesel, running at 1800 RPM will last much longer, be less irritating to have in the background, and if the bottom drops out of fuel supply, it will run on vegetable oil, or even used engine oil, worst case.. I have two.. one 7.5 KW and one 10 KW.. both diesel.. It's what worked for me. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Diesel Generator http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4726486027.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Hahaha, this was a joke btw Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Diesel Generator http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4726486027.html I don't know, it's only 0.2 MW. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Maybe I missed it but what size should I need to run the whole house? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Planning on powering the whole neighborhood? You’ll need a BIG air compressor, too, as that big black hose on the right is an air line for the starter (air starter). No air or large storage tank full of air and no start. Unusual for a unit of this size. The problem you will run into with the larger commercial stuff is finding a unit that can be reconnected to 120/240 V single phase. Most 12 lead generators can be, but they lose roughly 1/3 of their rated output at single phase ratings due to losses. That’s not a bad thing, but if you buy a three phase 15kW unit, you’ll only end up with maybe 10kW when you reconnect it for single phase operation. If you’re patient you should be able to find a decent gas unit below 50kW for under $5k, or even less depending on size. Again, a lot of these are take-outs from municipalities that are upgrading or renovating. They will have been well maintained and have low (under 500) hours on them depending on the age. And old isn’t bad here - think about a 240D versus a W140. Controls and other bits are much simpler and easier to repair/replace. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Diesel Generator http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4726486027.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Car Deal for Jaime
Hmmm. Is that a thing with the early turbo engines or what's the deal. I've had a lot of non-turbo MBs with 722.1 transmissions putting lots of miles on them and never had to do anything. What's the symptom of it needing adjustment? Long wait times to engage reverse? At 3:36 PM + 11/22/14, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: The adjustable reverse band like on the W116 300SD is only on the 722.1 transmissions. Every two years or so I need to screw it back in on my 300SD. At some point I need to remove the kickdown solenoid and tighten it up better. Access is difficult. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
So I have a heat pump that so far aux heat strips have not had to kick in, need to check and see how big the unit is. Got a deep freeze, refrigerator, hot tub (optional), dish washer, washer and drier, big screen, 3 other tvs, computer equipment. I will try out their calculators. I see lowes for example has both Koehler and generac on their website, is one better than the other? In fact I think they also had Briggs and Stratton listed also. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Can’t say. I would need to see a list of your electrical loads. Sort of like asking a doctor to diagnose you over the phone…. Generac and Kohler both have sizing calculators on their web sites. You can plug your numbers into these and get an idea of what you would need kW-wise: http://www.kohlergenerators.com/home-generators/selector#your-home http://www.kohlergenerators.com/home-generators/selector#your-home http://www.generac.com/for-homeowners/home-backup-power/build-your-generator http://www.generac.com/for-homeowners/home-backup-power/build-your-generator I did both, and the Kohler site said I needed 8kW for a whole house unit, while Generac said 12kW-14kW. I think Kohler is on crack, as it is highly unlikely an 8kW generator is going to start my 3.5 ton AC unit. The 14kW Generac WITH a transfer switch is $3500 out the door. That’s pretty darned cheap, IMHO. While everyone in the commercial generator business has looked down their noses at Generac over the years, they have gotten the consumer grade stuff nailed down better than anyone else in the business, and it’s really a good product from my experience. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My tractor just has a rear pto and it does have tach for pto speed. Only thing to worry about is having it out running and somebody comes along and drives it off or something. So would a 15k me enough to run a whole house or do you need 20k or bigger? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Difficulty regulating speed (frequency) during operation, exposed drive elements (PTO shaft, couplings) and the need to properly anchor or secure the unit. Not to mention the hassle of setting it up, connecting it, etc. PTO sets are fine for those rare times when you need power somewhere out on the back 40. Think of what a hassle it would be when an outage occurs and you have to go out to the shop/barn, set up the generator, couple it to the tractor's PTO, start up the tractor, set the speed, connect wires/cables, etc. Major PITA IMHO. Dan Most tractors built after 1960 have a mark on the ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Maybe I missed it but what size should I need to run the whole house? It needs to start the heat pump with a few other loads going, unless you plan on running it part time. If you only run it when needed, you can start the generator, start the heat pump, let the well pump refill the tank, then turn on some lights and refrigerator/freezer...then shut it all down when the heat pump catches up. My parents don't have any HVAC compressors, but they have an electric range. One burner would bring their old 11hp Coleman to its knees. All power failure cooking there is limited to microwave, coffee pot, and gas grill. They have a 7kW Generac now and I have their 1985 vintage Coleman, which runs my water heater at 7/8 throttle but with voltage and hz a bit low. I can run everything but the water heater and heat pump with the Coleman at light throttle (I never tried to run the heat pump on home generated power, the propane furnace is cheaper to run). Remember Cathey's all electric house, complete with resistance heat? He got that big Hercules so that he could heat with the generator, and then found out it cost a fortune in propane to run the generator with the heat on. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Some systems, like an UPS requires 60HZ +_- 3 Hz. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators My tractor just has a rear pto and it does have tach for pto speed. Only thing to worry about is having it out running and somebody comes along and drives it off or something. So would a 15k me enough to run a whole house or do you need 20k or bigger? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Difficulty regulating speed (frequency) during operation, exposed drive elements (PTO shaft, couplings) and the need to properly anchor or secure the unit. Not to mention the hassle of setting it up, connecting it, etc. PTO sets are fine for those rare times when you need power somewhere out on the back 40. Think of what a hassle it would be when an outage occurs and you have to go out to the shop/barn, set up the generator, couple it to the tractor's PTO, start up the tractor, set the speed, connect wires/cables, etc. Major PITA IMHO. Dan Most tractors built after 1960 have a mark on the tach for PTO. All have a governor that is intended to keep the engine RPM constant under varying loads. THat is a common/necessary function of tractors. Constant RPM: Set it to PTO speed, DONE Safety-PTO: Most post 1960 tractors are mounted and dismounted in front of the rear tire, not over the PTO. Not a problem with a LITTLE common sense. I'd guess Kaleb might connect the generator to the flywheel of an OM615 or an OM616, then all the tractor related issues are GONE. Mounting/tiedown: Kaleb's HF unit was a 3 point hitch mount. Hook it up. Done All minor hassles. That said, i'd opt for a Winpower PTO generator from a farm sale over the HF unit. HF unit is likely to fail when needed most. Winpower has a reputation for being reliable. Most winpower units were on a trailer and do not need to me tied down. Option: Some tractors have a forward facing mid PTO. You could mount the generator under there and have it ready at all times. Just start the tractor, move it to where you need electrojuicity, park the tractor and engage the mid PTO. Done, and it is also portable. For rare times when electric is needed, a PTO generator may be sufficient. However, for heating the Okie acres mansion without electrojuicity, a propane backup furnace or a wood/coal stove may be better options, as previously mentioned. Option: Many miller portable welders double as a generator. You could have a Benzomino with the welder in back and have portable welding and generator, and be able to drive it to Maine when needed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
My standby generator is 15KW and it runs everything except the heat pumps. But my stove is LP as is the generator. IMO, fuel choice should be the first decision. Liquid fuels are a problem unless you already have a large Diesel storage system. Gasoline is the worst: you can't store it and you can't get it when needed most. LP does not go bad so you can store hundreds of gallons (underground if you prefer) indefinitely. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators My tractor just has a rear pto and it does have tach for pto speed. Only thing to worry about is having it out running and somebody comes along and drives it off or something. So would a 15k me enough to run a whole house or do you need 20k or bigger? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Difficulty regulating speed (frequency) during operation, exposed drive elements (PTO shaft, couplings) and the need to properly anchor or secure the unit. Not to mention the hassle of setting it up, connecting it, etc. PTO sets are fine for those rare times when you need power somewhere out on the back 40. Think of what a hassle it would be when an outage occurs and you have to go out to the shop/barn, set up the generator, couple it to the tractor's PTO, start up the tractor, set the speed, connect wires/cables, etc. Major PITA IMHO. Dan Most tractors built after 1960 have a mark on the tach for PTO. All have a governor that is intended to keep the engine RPM constant under varying loads. THat is a common/necessary function of tractors. Constant RPM: Set it to PTO speed, DONE Safety-PTO: Most post 1960 tractors are mounted and dismounted in front of the rear tire, not over the PTO. Not a problem with a LITTLE common sense. I'd guess Kaleb might connect the generator to the flywheel of an OM615 or an OM616, then all the tractor related issues are GONE. Mounting/tiedown: Kaleb's HF unit was a 3 point hitch mount. Hook it up. Done All minor hassles. That said, i'd opt for a Winpower PTO generator from a farm sale over the HF unit. HF unit is likely to fail when needed most. Winpower has a reputation for being reliable. Most winpower units were on a trailer and do not need to me tied down. Option: Some tractors have a forward facing mid PTO. You could mount the generator under there and have it ready at all times. Just start the tractor, move it to where you need electrojuicity, park the tractor and engage the mid PTO. Done, and it is also portable. For rare times when electric is needed, a PTO generator may be sufficient. However, for heating the Okie acres mansion without electrojuicity, a propane backup furnace or a wood/coal stove may be better options, as previously mentioned. Option: Many miller portable welders double as a generator. You could have a Benzomino with the welder in back and have portable welding and generator, and be able to drive it to Maine when needed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
On November 22, 2014 at 9:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Generac. Kohler has never had their sh*t together for consumer grade stuff, and will charge you an arm and a leg to work on it. You’ll get more for your money with Generac, and it’s proven good stuff. I'm thinking the price is slightly high on this one, and wondering how old it is: http://tulsa.craigslist.org/for/4728355414.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Transmission additive
Yeah I did that also with this same transmission about 3 years ago when I first took it out of an SD that had been sitting in a junkyard for about 4 years. It was slipping real bad in all the gears. After the Lucas and about 100 miles of driving it started to get better to the point where finally after a year of easy driving it didn't slip any more at all. Then just this last summer the problem with sometimes not going all the way to first at a stop when it got hot. It always had the whine in high gear which was cut I would say in half with the addition of the Zmax. Lucas promises to make the seals pliable again and so improve the shifting. Zmax on the other hand doesn't do anything for the seals just treats the metal bearing and gear surfaces. It probably also will improve the valvebody shifting movement. Manfred Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:33:15 + (UTC) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com My '96 Dakota had a spell where it wouldn't shift up from first, I put a quart of the Lucas transmission fixer stuff in there and after running it around a little and letting it sit overnight it got better enough to be driveable (run up the rpms, drop into neutral, back to drive and it would shift). After a couple days of driving it was mostly back to normal. I had the trans fluid changed with M1 and it was fine for another 50,000 miles or so until I got rid of the truck. My theory is the valves get varnish or crud on them and don't work right, some high detergent mystery goop gets the crud off and can restore operation. That said I still prefer a manual trans. -Curtwith only 1 of 3 vehicles possessing a manual trans. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Price is pretty much on the number. It’s an older system from the mid to late 1990s, but it’s got the 1.5l Mitsubishi, which isn’t a bad thing, but parts can be an issue for these. I had a 25kW version of this model at my house in Indianapolis. Ran everything in a 4000 square foot house, including the 4 ton AC unit, using natural gas. I got it for nothing. The coil in the ignition system had failed, and Generac only imported the whole distributor ($1600). Seems that Mitsubishi never imported this engine into the US, so they had no parts for it, nor could they get them. Customer was the owner of a $3M house it was in, and they wanted a new unit rather than pay several thousand to repair a unit that was already 405 years old. I got it for nothing. I got a hold of John Green in Ozzieland, who set me up with an automotive electrical guy he uses. The engines are quite common Down Under, so he had no problem getting the coil for me (it was a coil that was integrated into the bottom of the distributor, so it was unique and not something you could jury rig to make it work.) Under $40 US total, shipped from Australia to Indianapolis. My partners were amazed and a little pissed when they found out what it took me to put the fix to it. Too bad they weren’t enterprising enough to figure it out themselves. I sold it for $3500 the day I put it up on CL in the spring of 2010. I wasn’t about to leave it in the house, as it added nothing to the value when we put the place on the market. Dan On Nov 22, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On November 22, 2014 at 9:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Generac. Kohler has never had their sh*t together for consumer grade stuff, and will charge you an arm and a leg to work on it. You’ll get more for your money with Generac, and it’s proven good stuff. I'm thinking the price is slightly high on this one, and wondering how old it is: http://tulsa.craigslist.org/for/4728355414.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
I would prefer diesel because I could get a big tank and fill it with red diesel and also run the cars and tractor off it, but they are too expensive upfront Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: My standby generator is 15KW and it runs everything except the heat pumps. But my stove is LP as is the generator. IMO, fuel choice should be the first decision. Liquid fuels are a problem unless you already have a large Diesel storage system. Gasoline is the worst: you can't store it and you can't get it when needed most. LP does not go bad so you can store hundreds of gallons (underground if you prefer) indefinitely. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators My tractor just has a rear pto and it does have tach for pto speed. Only thing to worry about is having it out running and somebody comes along and drives it off or something. So would a 15k me enough to run a whole house or do you need 20k or bigger? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Difficulty regulating speed (frequency) during operation, exposed drive elements (PTO shaft, couplings) and the need to properly anchor or secure the unit. Not to mention the hassle of setting it up, connecting it, etc. PTO sets are fine for those rare times when you need power somewhere out on the back 40. Think of what a hassle it would be when an outage occurs and you have to go out to the shop/barn, set up the generator, couple it to the tractor's PTO, start up the tractor, set the speed, connect wires/cables, etc. Major PITA IMHO. Dan Most tractors built after 1960 have a mark on the tach for PTO. All have a governor that is intended to keep the engine RPM constant under varying loads. THat is a common/necessary function of tractors. Constant RPM: Set it to PTO speed, DONE Safety-PTO: Most post 1960 tractors are mounted and dismounted in front of the rear tire, not over the PTO. Not a problem with a LITTLE common sense. I'd guess Kaleb might connect the generator to the flywheel of an OM615 or an OM616, then all the tractor related issues are GONE. Mounting/tiedown: Kaleb's HF unit was a 3 point hitch mount. Hook it up. Done All minor hassles. That said, i'd opt for a Winpower PTO generator from a farm sale over the HF unit. HF unit is likely to fail when needed most. Winpower has a reputation for being reliable. Most winpower units were on a trailer and do not need to me tied down. Option: Some tractors have a forward facing mid PTO. You could mount the generator under there and have it ready at all times. Just start the tractor, move it to where you need electrojuicity, park the tractor and engage the mid PTO. Done, and it is also portable. For rare times when electric is needed, a PTO generator may be sufficient. However, for heating the Okie acres mansion without electrojuicity, a propane backup furnace or a wood/coal stove may be better options, as previously mentioned. Option: Many miller portable welders double as a generator. You could have a Benzomino with the welder in back and have portable welding and generator, and be able to drive it to Maine when needed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1985 300 cd for parts available for sale
I could always use some pieces from a blue interior On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Paatz? Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. From: ro...@craigslist.org To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: 1985 300 cd for parts available for sale Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:16:10 -0800 fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist: 1985 300 cd for parts available for sale http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/4770790905.html If you don't want to receive email-a-friend messages, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18xNjcxMTE2N2uXYFZh7E9_QeKVVZdxgZAaVwX9OlP2k7p_qVWpkjGAwJj1B_S9ifM3FMwvrmok5Q ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Generac also suggested the 22k for our house. http://www.generac.com/all-products/generators/home-backup-generators/guardian-series/22kw-6551-whole-house-switch I looked up the differences between the fixed Guardian LP 16KW vs. the portable 17.5KW units, and the cost of running the propane vs the gasoline models is about even (when gas is $3.30/gal). The difference is the 500 gal (400 usable) propane tank runs the generator for 7.7 days vs. 1.8 days for the gas model - with the built-in 16 gal tank and my 55 gallon barrel! Both come to about a months worth of electric bill per day to run - that's expensive energy! However, when you don't even have water without it, it might be something that needs to be done. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Kohler says I need 20k and generac says 22k Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: So I have a heat pump that so far aux heat strips have not had to kick in, need to check and see how big the unit is. Got a deep freeze, refrigerator, hot tub (optional), dish washer, washer and drier, big screen, 3 other tvs, computer equipment. I will try out their calculators. I see lowes for example has both Koehler and generac on their website, is one better than the other? In fact I think they also had Briggs and Stratton listed also. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
So, how close would a cruise control in a W123 300D or 240D come to governing the engine speed for a generator? Any guesses? On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Some systems, like an UPS requires 60HZ +_- 3 Hz. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
I can't speak to Kaleb's winters, but heat pumps are little better than resistive heat below 35 degrees (F) unless it's the new invertor type. A supplemental LP heater (like a fireplace insert, direct vent fireplace, etc.) will deliver a lot more heat per gallon than running an LP generator to run a heat pump. No-vent gas logs really deliver a lot of heat (damper closed) but don't look realistic and put H2O and CO2 in the house. Direct vent fireplaces are less efficient but look realistic and put nothing in the house. Of course there are all manner of LP space heaters. My current setup has about a dozen breakers outside under the meter and a subpanel inside. The generator transfer switch powers everything on the subpanel. Several large loads (heat pumps and air handlers/emergency heat) are fed only by utility power through the breakers at the meter (e.g. not through the transfer switch). If we had more frequent outages, I'd move one HVAC condenser and the associated air handler blower to the subpanel (for summer cooling) and move the water heater to be a utility-only feed. All emergency heat would remain on utility power only. The direct-vent fireplace does a good job heating the ground floor. My 2005-vintage Generac 15KV generator doesn't provide the best frequency control and most of my cheaper UPS systems switch to battery even when the generator is running. I recently bought a reconditioned APC Smart UPS-1000VA (http://excessups.com/) which I hope will at least charge the battery on generator power even if the frequency is off a tad. I haven't tested that yet. All LP appliances are fed from one 500 gallon underground tank (which can only be filled to 80% i.e. 400 gal). Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:40 PM Cc: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators I would prefer diesel because I could get a big tank and fill it with red diesel and also run the cars and tractor off it, but they are too expensive upfront Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Remember Cathey's all electric house, complete with resistance heat? He got that big Hercules so that he could heat with the generator, and then found out it cost a fortune in propane to run the generator with the heat on. Never hooked it up all the way, can only get maybe 30A out of it as cabled. (45kW, good for about 26kW wired zig-zag single-phase.) Herc takes 3gal/hr, at light loads. Have only run it when we want hot water. Woodstoves do for heat, no problem. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
lose roughly 1/3 of their rated output at single phase ratings due to losses. Not losses, as such, just an inability to harness all the available energy when using only one phase to load it. Essentially you combine two windings into one, losing the 1/3 that way. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 19:56:30 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Maybe I missed it but what size should I need to run the whole house? Didn't you say you had run the calculators at the two websites and one told you 20 kW and the other 22 kW? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] U.S. Car: euro bumper
Will a euro rear bumper match up with the mounting bolts on my 1984 300D? (320,000 miles) My current bumper is getting ready to fall off due to corrosion of the shock supports and I am having a hard time finding a replacement locally. Thanks, Mike Michael E. Esh 231 286 2344 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
I think the CC would probably work. But there's only one way to find out for sure! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Generators
Any mechanical throttle setting device will work. The governor is designed to maintain constant RPM CC should work, but adds un-needed complexity. I think the CC would probably work. But there's only one way to find out for sure! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
