Re: [MBZ] Front left ball joint - install

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Copy all.  Then you already know more than you need.

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> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Esh via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:04 PM
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> Cc: Michael Esh 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front left ball joint - install
> 
> I'm having someone do the entire job.
> 
> Michael Esh
> 231-894-5505
> 
> 
> > On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Michael: Do you plan to do this yourself, to hire someone to do it, or
> > a hybrid where you pay someone just to remove and press in the new
> > ball joints?
> >
> > I did this job myself on a 126 a few years ago (both sides).  The w123
> > front end is almost identical except where the guide (brake) rods met
the
> chassis.
> > The job requires at least two types of spreaders to pop the tapered
> > ball joint and tie rod shafts out of the knuckle (without damaging the
> boots).
> > As mentioned, you can beat the old ball joint out of the knuckle with
> > a largish (4+ lb) hammer with the knuckle held firmly in a vice.  But
> > you DO need a special tool to press the new BJ into the knuckle.  The
> > official MBZ tool for this is $300+.  There is another type of tool
> > that's about $100 that will do the job using a large (like 10-20 ton)
> > press.  That's why many folks take the knuckle to a pro to press in the
new
> parts.
> >
> > Disassembly to remove the knuckle took under an hour the second time
> > but it took a lot longer the first time when everything was tight and
> > slightly corroded. This also requires removing the wheel, Brake
> > caliper, and brake disk; so have new axle grease and grease seals on
hand.
> >
> > Some claim you can press in the new ball joint with a conventional "c-
> clamp"
> > ball joint tool by first removing the rubber boot and using the tool
> > "upside down".  Some say you can remove the old ball joint from the
> > knuckle with all the other parts still attached. I am skeptical of both
claims.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Michael Esh via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:52 AM
> >> To: Okie Benz 
> >> Cc: Michael Esh 
> >> Subject: [MBZ] Front left ball joint - install
> >>
> >> Can someone share or point me to a write up on the removal and
> > installation
> >> of the drivers side lower ball joint on a 1985 300D?
> >> I'm  trying out a new mechanic, the old one had a couple of strokes
> >> over
> > the
> >> last year and his kids are fighting over who and how to run the
business.
> > Not
> >> going well at this time.
> >>
> >> I ended buying the new Lemforder ball joint from  AutohausAZ for
> >> 32.36 including shipping. The only downside is it has taken 6 days to
get it.
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Michael Esh
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[MBZ] Sand blasting

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

By semi-trailer truck.  SWMBO got behind one, now the front of the '95 sedan is 
very pitted.  She did get the license plate number, we'll call the authorities 
tomorrow, but I'm not holding my breath.  I only have liability insurance, so 
we need to make the other party pay, if possible.
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Re: [MBZ] For Max

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Landed, I think.  SWMBO says there is a letter from you, but I haven't opened 
it yet.
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'95 E300

On June 8, 2016 2:28:03 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Eagle is off.
>
>Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I suppose that's possible, need to remove the starter to know for sure.
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'95 E300

On June 10, 2016 11:12:00 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Could impact have caused starter-to-flywheel alignment to shift
>slightly and 
>"jam" (prevent) rotation?
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
>To: "Mercedes" 
>Cc: "Max Dillon" 
>Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:33 PM
>Subject: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D
>
>
>> Tried tonight, failed.  Looks like the starter has failed.  Big
>click, 
>> battery cables get very warm so current is flowing, but the motor she
>
>> ain't turnin'.
>>
>> I turned the engine over by hand just fine, so the motor isn't
>seized.
>>
>> Tried tapping on the starter a bit with my breaker bar, no change. 
>Ran 
>> the gear shift up and down while holding the key in the crank
>position, 
>> the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
>>
>> Any other ideas?
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] template for Grant's popos to follow

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Because...  some would yell racism or sexism or genderism or white privilege if 
you voiced your observation?
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'95 E300

On June 10, 2016 10:54:28 PM EDT, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Both of the pass/cuts were Florida pickups, the bumper riders were a
>mix 
>but had one attribute in common that I shall not mention.
>
>--JC


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Re: [MBZ] OT a question

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Not to mention, great fiction!

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The chattering class is all atwitter over the Trump U deal, whatever it
> is, but don't seem to be following the Klinton Krime Family deal whereby a
> diploma mill paid him $16.5mil for 4 years of being a "chancellor" while
> his wife's outfit paid the diploma mill $55mil for her peeps to get
> "degrees."
>
> Great deal if you can get in on it.
>
> --JC
>
>
>
> On 6/10/16 7:57 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> so all the west coast and it seems a good part of the country is all
>> atwitter that this stanford kid got a light sentence.
>>
>> Meanwhile, a serial rapist walks free, delivering "speeches" so memorable
>> nobody records them, and rakes in millions for selling state secrets, with
>> his dear wifey, hands out millions of taxpayer dollars, of which about 30%
>> are paid to him, and outside of a couple guys on the radio, nothing is
>> said.  No demand that he be prosecuted from the "caring" public, no arrest,
>> nobody atwitter, only crickets.
>>
>> Double standard?  Hypocrites?  why the disparity?
>>
>> Meanwhile, another man who is accused of being a serial rapist faces
>> multiple trials.
>>
>> Double standard?  Hypocrites?  why the disparity?
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Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP this 115 looks like it just time warped out of the 70's

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Colorado beige/palomino.  Borderline stultifying color combination.

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:43 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

> Wilton needs it- NO sunroof! Is that an original color? The front bumper is
> drooping . . .
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > So am I. Would love a w115 300D
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > 1982 300CD
> > 1990 300D
> > Wickford RI
> > On Jun 10, 2016 10:09 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm broke
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Go for it kaleb. Looks sweet
> > > >
> > > > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > > > 1982 300CD
> > > > 1990 300D
> > > > Wickford RI
> > > > On Jun 10, 2016 8:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> It still even has the original Siggi Grimm dealer sticker on the
> back
> > > >> which was the Tulsa MB dealer up until 91 when they got bought out
> and
> > > >> changed names.  My 115 that was my grandmothers has the Siggi Grimm
> > > sticker
> > > >> on it as well.  I wonder what they want for it. Its even got leather
> > > which
> > > >> is really rare on a 115
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/331877848647?forcerrptr=true=item4d45761647:g:41UAAOSwMNxXWj7j=331877848647
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Re: [MBZ] fuel prices?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I paid $2.28 today in Rockville, MD.

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
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> I got 87 at $2.03 or $2.09 in Freedom dollars per Freedom Unit at a Flying
> J just before South of the Border (Pedro No Shoots Ze Bool!) this
> afternoon.  I forgot to see what dizzel was but it is a bit higher after
> being the same as benzin (which was lower) for awhile.  But they have gone
> up.
>
> SC has next to nothing gas tax, just across the border in the NC nanny
> state it is 20cents higher so I always fill up just before the border and
> it is enough to get me around the nanny state then back to civilization.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 6/10/16 12:43 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Are you seeing fuel prices jump down south?
>>
>> Our prices have gone up substantially in the past month or so.
>>
>> We were paying low $0.90's and now it is $1.189 per liter.
>>
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Could impact have caused starter-to-flywheel alignment to shift slightly and 
"jam" (prevent) rotation?


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes" 
Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:33 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D


Tried tonight, failed.  Looks like the starter has failed.  Big click, 
battery cables get very warm so current is flowing, but the motor she 
ain't turnin'.


I turned the engine over by hand just fine, so the motor isn't seized.

Tried tapping on the starter a bit with my breaker bar, no change.  Ran 
the gear shift up and down while holding the key in the crank position, 
the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.


Any other ideas?
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] template for Grant's popos to follow

[G Mann via Mercedes]

At this point.. I've pretty much convinced myself a second, rear facing
camera is going to happen..

Seems the idea of driving courtesy has become something that no longer
happens. Time to arm myself with something that records all the insanity,
just because.


Virus-free

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On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
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> Today I was driving on I-95 in SC and NC and there were 3 or 4 incidents
> where I am tooling along in the left lane at 75, passing a truck or
> something, and some car comes up VERY fast behind me and gets right on my
> bumper until I complete my pass and move over.  Also a couple where I have
> moved left to pass, one comes up fast behind me, switches to the right lane
> and passes me then cuts right () in front of me to pass the other
> vehicle too, speeds of 75-80.  That scared me more than the idiot riding my
> bumper as one small swipe on my RF fender would send us both cartwheeling
> and likely kill us and whoever else happens to be in the vicinity.  I had
> the cam running, I should probably download the trip just to have that to
> review.  That was some scary times.
>
> Both of the pass/cuts were Florida pickups, the bumper riders were a mix
> but had one attribute in common that I shall not mention.
>
> --JC
>
>
>
> On 6/10/16 7:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>>
>> http://whotv.com/2016/06/10/part-of-interstate-35-closed-for-serious-accident-in-ankeny/
>>
>> This happened this morning.  Very similar conditions it seems, to Grant's
>> perp.  Differences are that this one was on the interstate, and that the
>> perp had a long OWI record, and that one poor guy was killed.
>>
>> The list of charges is particularly interesting.   no info yet on if the
>> car rammed was going the speed limit.
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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Tell 'er I said, "ATTAGIRL!"

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Joel Cairo" 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise


Well yeah, but as an aspiring young doctor he needs to establish and keep 
up appearances.  Plus he has no interest in screwing around with cars, 
unfortunately.  He is driving the 98 DeVille now, which I offered back to 
the girl child, but she informed me she prefers to keep the 84 SD even 
with temperamental windows and no AC.  THAT is my girl!


--R


On 6/10/16 5:16 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

First tell him that any car he has to finance is out of his price range.

Then tell him to find a nice Volvo 240.
On Jun 10, 2016 8:07 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 


wrote:


i noticed that about the pathfinder too.  I am sure that sends a lot of
them into the ditches.  You don't want twitchy steering driving on ice 
or
snow.  I'll take a 110 or 111 for that.  with the right tars, they are 
rock

solid.

there are reasons why every time a little snow falls, the ditches are
filled with "SUV"s and a high number are upside down, on the side or
completely rolled over.  Operator error for sure, but twitchy steering 
is

certainly a contributing factor, along with tars, and design (short
wheelbase, high center of gravity and twitchy steering)

Rick Knoble via Mercedes 

June 10, 2016 at 9:19 AMvia Postbox <
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I didn't hate it. The Sante Fe had an adjustable
lumbar support, which made it WAY more pleasant
to drive for 14 hours.
Both cars were "twitchy", meaning they have fast steering ratios.
The Jeep had superior electronics, streaming bluetooth
in that car was very easy and worked exceptionally well.
The Hyundai was a little buggy, in that regard.

Rick
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Thanks.  He went to the local Carmax and looked at a variety of SUVs. 
He
rated them all on a list (how organized is that?) and liked the Hunda 
CRV
the best, but also liked the Nissan Pathfinder which is a bit larger 
and a

bit more $$.  I was suggesting the Nissan, just for the larger mass and
safety.  I saw a CRV yesterday morning, never paid much attention to 
them,

it was nice but looked small.  He looked at the hundays too, was not
totally impressed compared to the others.  I recall renting one some 
years

ago, thought it was OK too.  He also liked some Fords, interesting.

I'm going to look at some of them around here, try to find a suthrun 
car
(a lot of them seem to be from NY for some reason, leases or rentals) 
to
avoid the road salt issue.  He will get his financing organized so we 
can

pull the trigger when I find something, he can come here and get it.

--R




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Rich inquires:

The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a 
little

car.


Thoughts?
I recently rented a Jeep Compass, and a Hyundai Santa Fe.

The Jeep was uncomfortable on a long trip.

The Hyundai was an exceptionally good appliance.
Quite comfortable. Great fuel mileage. I would
recommend it, if one is looking for a smaller SUV
type appliance.

Rick
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The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
car. He's OK with that.  Looking at Carmax just because I don't want to
deal with a stealer or CL.  Could maybe get an extended warranty.  The
local/nearby Carmaxes have a bunch of SUVs, the Nissans and hyundais 
look
all to be ex-rentals ("fleet").  Any thoughts on getting an ex-rental 
with
15-20k-ish miles? 2013-2015 so a year or 3 old with reasonable miles. 
He
kinda liked a RAV4 but they only had 2WD models, the others I looked at 
are

4WD.

The basic issue is he does not want to deal with a car except to drive
it, I'm thinking the 

Re: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Kaleb, that is worth a shot.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 10, 2016 10:40:38 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Try jumping the starter directly. If still no go replace it
>
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>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Tried tonight, failed.  Looks like the starter has failed.  Big
>click, battery cables get very warm so current is flowing, but the
>motor she ain't turnin'.
>> 
>> I turned the engine over by hand just fine, so the motor isn't
>seized.
>> 
>> Tried tapping on the starter a bit with my breaker bar, no change. 
>Ran the gear shift up and down while holding the key in the crank
>position, the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
>> 
>> Any other ideas?
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Re: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Your battery was removed and fully charged, in my garage.  Circumstances 
prevented me from taking that to the car, so I moved the battery from my wagon 
to the sedan, then back to my wagon which started just fine after trying to 
start the sedan.
-- 
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'95 E300

On June 10, 2016 10:47:05 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:
>'Don't know; never had that starter fail me - never any hesitation,
>well, 
>'cept with dead battery.
>Have ya tried jump with known good battery?  The car hasn't run (bat 
>charged) since 1200 Apr 30.
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
>To: "Mercedes" 
>Cc: "Max Dillon" 
>Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:33 PM
>Subject: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D
>
>
>> Tried tonight, failed.  Looks like the starter has failed.  Big
>click, 
>> battery cables get very warm so current is flowing, but the motor she
>
>> ain't turnin'.
>>
>> I turned the engine over by hand just fine, so the motor isn't
>seized.
>>
>> Tried tapping on the starter a bit with my breaker bar, no change. 
>Ran 
>> the gear shift up and down while holding the key in the crank
>position, 
>> the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>> -- 
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>> Charleston SC
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>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] template for Grant's popos to follow

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Today I was driving on I-95 in SC and NC and there were 3 or 4 incidents 
where I am tooling along in the left lane at 75, passing a truck or 
something, and some car comes up VERY fast behind me and gets right on 
my bumper until I complete my pass and move over.  Also a couple where I 
have moved left to pass, one comes up fast behind me, switches to the 
right lane and passes me then cuts right () in front of me to pass 
the other vehicle too, speeds of 75-80.  That scared me more than the 
idiot riding my bumper as one small swipe on my RF fender would send us 
both cartwheeling and likely kill us and whoever else happens to be in 
the vicinity.  I had the cam running, I should probably download the 
trip just to have that to review.  That was some scary times.


Both of the pass/cuts were Florida pickups, the bumper riders were a mix 
but had one attribute in common that I shall not mention.


--JC


On 6/10/16 7:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
http://whotv.com/2016/06/10/part-of-interstate-35-closed-for-serious-accident-in-ankeny/ 



This happened this morning.  Very similar conditions it seems, to 
Grant's perp.  Differences are that this one was on the interstate, 
and that the perp had a long OWI record, and that one poor guy was 
killed.


The list of charges is particularly interesting.   no info yet on if 
the car rammed was going the speed limit.


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Re: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Just re-read the OP.. "big click" would be solenoid, sending current to
starter motor.. so brush or brush holder out of position making ground
contact would fail to rotate motor..

Either way.. starter is coming out.. I'm guessing..

Sure is easier fixing your car setting at the computer.. hahaha..

HTH,
Grant...


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On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 7:47 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> 'Don't know; never had that starter fail me - never any hesitation, well,
> 'cept with dead battery.
> Have ya tried jump with known good battery?  The car hasn't run (bat
> charged) since 1200 Apr 30.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes" 
> Cc: "Max Dillon" 
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:33 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D
>
>
>
> Tried tonight, failed.  Looks like the starter has failed.  Big click,
>> battery cables get very warm so current is flowing, but the motor she ain't
>> turnin'.
>>
>> I turned the engine over by hand just fine, so the motor isn't seized.
>>
>> Tried tapping on the starter a bit with my breaker bar, no change.  Ran
>> the gear shift up and down while holding the key in the crank position, the
>> neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>> --
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>> Charleston SC
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>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT a question

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

The chattering class is all atwitter over the Trump U deal, whatever it 
is, but don't seem to be following the Klinton Krime Family deal whereby 
a diploma mill paid him $16.5mil for 4 years of being a "chancellor" 
while his wife's outfit paid the diploma mill $55mil for her peeps to 
get "degrees."


Great deal if you can get in on it.

--JC


On 6/10/16 7:57 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
so all the west coast and it seems a good part of the country is all 
atwitter that this stanford kid got a light sentence.


Meanwhile, a serial rapist walks free, delivering "speeches" so 
memorable nobody records them, and rakes in millions for selling state 
secrets, with his dear wifey, hands out millions of taxpayer dollars, 
of which about 30% are paid to him, and outside of a couple guys on 
the radio, nothing is said.  No demand that he be prosecuted from the 
"caring" public, no arrest, nobody atwitter, only crickets.


Double standard?  Hypocrites?  why the disparity?

Meanwhile, another man who is accused of being a serial rapist faces 
multiple trials.


Double standard?  Hypocrites?  why the disparity?

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Re: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Perhaps the force of impact caused the starter brush's to unseat, or the
brush holders to move enough to ground out. If that were the case,
energizing the starter would go directly to ground, make the cables hot
[quickly] and fail to rotate the starter..

Remove starter and open it to check brush status.. could be where the issue
lays..

Just a thought..


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> Try jumping the starter directly. If still no go replace it
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tried tonight, failed.  Looks like the starter has failed.  Big click,
> battery cables get very warm so current is flowing, but the motor she ain't
> turnin'.
> >
> > I turned the engine over by hand just fine, so the motor isn't seized.
> >
> > Tried tapping on the starter a bit with my breaker bar, no change.  Ran
> the gear shift up and down while holding the key in the crank position, the
> neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
> >
> > Any other ideas?
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Re: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Don't know; never had that starter fail me - never any hesitation, well, 
'cept with dead battery.
Have ya tried jump with known good battery?  The car hasn't run (bat 
charged) since 1200 Apr 30.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes" 
Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:33 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D


Tried tonight, failed.  Looks like the starter has failed.  Big click, 
battery cables get very warm so current is flowing, but the motor she 
ain't turnin'.


I turned the engine over by hand just fine, so the motor isn't seized.

Tried tapping on the starter a bit with my breaker bar, no change.  Ran 
the gear shift up and down while holding the key in the crank position, 
the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.


Any other ideas?
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Question about zinc oil additive.

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

THAT STUFF IS MADE FROM MEXICAN OIL!!

--JC


On 6/10/16 9:37 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

So what does this mean for using M1 in OM 617 & OM 602 engines. Kinda nice
to see an oil thread in the midst of political rants. I miss the old oil
threads.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jun 10, 2016 6:38 PM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Note that you MUST use approved oil in VW diesels, especially those with
unit injectors, as they have flat tappets.  If you don't, the cam lobes
wear, greatly reducing power.

I suspect they are high ZDDP oils.

This has been an issue with the performance crowd for a while, some older
american iron will eat a cam in a few thousand miles without the zinc.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP this 115 looks like it just time warped out of the 70's

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Wilton needs it- NO sunroof! Is that an original color? The front bumper is
drooping . . .

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> So am I. Would love a w115 300D
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
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> > >
> > > Go for it kaleb. Looks sweet
> > >
> > > Dwight Giles Jr.
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> > > Wickford RI
> > > On Jun 10, 2016 8:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
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> > >
> > >> It still even has the original Siggi Grimm dealer sticker on the back
> > >> which was the Tulsa MB dealer up until 91 when they got bought out and
> > >> changed names.  My 115 that was my grandmothers has the Siggi Grimm
> > sticker
> > >> on it as well.  I wonder what they want for it. Its even got leather
> > which
> > >> is really rare on a 115
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Well yeah, but as an aspiring young doctor he needs to establish and 
keep up appearances.  Plus he has no interest in screwing around with 
cars, unfortunately.  He is driving the 98 DeVille now, which I offered 
back to the girl child, but she informed me she prefers to keep the 84 
SD even with temperamental windows and no AC.  THAT is my girl!


--R


On 6/10/16 5:16 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

First tell him that any car he has to finance is out of his price range.

Then tell him to find a nice Volvo 240.
On Jun 10, 2016 8:07 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:


i noticed that about the pathfinder too.  I am sure that sends a lot of
them into the ditches.  You don't want twitchy steering driving on ice or
snow.  I'll take a 110 or 111 for that.  with the right tars, they are rock
solid.

there are reasons why every time a little snow falls, the ditches are
filled with "SUV"s and a high number are upside down, on the side or
completely rolled over.  Operator error for sure, but twitchy steering is
certainly a contributing factor, along with tars, and design (short
wheelbase, high center of gravity and twitchy steering)

Rick Knoble via Mercedes 

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I didn't hate it. The Sante Fe had an adjustable
lumbar support, which made it WAY more pleasant
to drive for 14 hours.
Both cars were "twitchy", meaning they have fast steering ratios.
The Jeep had superior electronics, streaming bluetooth
in that car was very easy and worked exceptionally well.
The Hyundai was a little buggy, in that regard.

Rick
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Thanks.  He went to the local Carmax and looked at a variety of SUVs.  He
rated them all on a list (how organized is that?) and liked the Hunda CRV
the best, but also liked the Nissan Pathfinder which is a bit larger and a
bit more $$.  I was suggesting the Nissan, just for the larger mass and
safety.  I saw a CRV yesterday morning, never paid much attention to them,
it was nice but looked small.  He looked at the hundays too, was not
totally impressed compared to the others.  I recall renting one some years
ago, thought it was OK too.  He also liked some Fords, interesting.

I'm going to look at some of them around here, try to find a suthrun car
(a lot of them seem to be from NY for some reason, leases or rentals) to
avoid the road salt issue.  He will get his financing organized so we can
pull the trigger when I find something, he can come here and get it.

--R




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Rich inquires:

The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD

given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
car.


Thoughts?
I recently rented a Jeep Compass, and a Hyundai Santa Fe.

The Jeep was uncomfortable on a long trip.

The Hyundai was an exceptionally good appliance.
Quite comfortable. Great fuel mileage. I would
recommend it, if one is looking for a smaller SUV
type appliance.

Rick
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The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
car. He's OK with that.  Looking at Carmax just because I don't want to
deal with a stealer or CL.  Could maybe get an extended warranty.  The
local/nearby Carmaxes have a bunch of SUVs, the Nissans and hyundais look
all to be ex-rentals ("fleet").  Any thoughts on getting an ex-rental with
15-20k-ish miles? 2013-2015 so a year or 3 old with reasonable miles.  He
kinda liked a RAV4 but they only had 2WD models, the others I looked at are
4WD.

The basic issue is he does not want to deal with a car except to drive
it, I'm thinking the asian stuff is fairly reliable, relatively, and the
prices are in the $20k-$23k range which is doable.

Thoughts?  BTW he has my dad's old 98 Caddy DeVille that is running fine
but the electronic instrument cluster has gone mostly inop.  He got another
one off ebay which works but it has to be flashed 

Re: [MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Try jumping the starter directly. If still no go replace it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Tried tonight, failed.  Looks like the starter has failed.  Big click, 
> battery cables get very warm so current is flowing, but the motor she ain't 
> turnin'.
> 
> I turned the engine over by hand just fine, so the motor isn't seized.
> 
> Tried tapping on the starter a bit with my breaker bar, no change.  Ran the 
> gear shift up and down while holding the key in the crank position, the 
> neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
> 
> Any other ideas?
> -- 
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> Charleston SC
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> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] fuel prices?

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I got 87 at $2.03 or $2.09 in Freedom dollars per Freedom Unit at a 
Flying J just before South of the Border (Pedro No Shoots Ze Bool!) this 
afternoon.  I forgot to see what dizzel was but it is a bit higher after 
being the same as benzin (which was lower) for awhile.  But they have 
gone up.


SC has next to nothing gas tax, just across the border in the NC nanny 
state it is 20cents higher so I always fill up just before the border 
and it is enough to get me around the nanny state then back to civilization.


--R


On 6/10/16 12:43 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

Are you seeing fuel prices jump down south?

Our prices have gone up substantially in the past month or so.

We were paying low $0.90's and now it is $1.189 per liter.

RB


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[MBZ] Starting Wilton's wrecked 124 300D

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Tried tonight, failed.  Looks like the starter has failed.  Big click, battery 
cables get very warm so current is flowing, but the motor she ain't turnin'.

I turned the engine over by hand just fine, so the motor isn't seized.

Tried tapping on the starter a bit with my breaker bar, no change.  Ran the 
gear shift up and down while holding the key in the crank position, the neutral 
safety switch is operating correctly.

Any other ideas?
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] pioneer stereos

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I have my 1973 SX-727 which was one below the 828, top of the line at 
that point.  I think the 80- series was later?


Mine after a few years had an occasional staticy sound in one channel, 
shop never found out what it was back in like 79 or 80. I had it running 
a coupla years ago, and except for that it sounded great.


--R


On 6/10/16 11:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

SX-XXX series, like SX-780/880/980?

Those were nice. I had a 780 at one time, and whatever the top of the line was, 
1080?

Dan

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On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I picked up a 1971 vintage Pioneer receiver at a garage sale.  It turned out to 
be the top of the like in that era.  I found a guy in NY who repairs and cleans 
them.  Sent it off to him, and for $200 he replaced a bunch of components, (not 
just caps)  cleaned everything and has it working like new.  I think that old 
Pioneers are really nice.  They certainly are study as my original has been 
working 44 years.  I think I will send it in to him next year.

If anyone has a pioneer stereo you'd like renewed, I'd be glad to send you his 
contact info.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Burned burners

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I am in Chapel Liberhill for my nephews' HS graduation tomorrow. Big 
party at the house tonight, my sense was there were enough Bernie voters 
there to push him over the edge.  But, plenty of cobeers and Q so I was 
fine.


--R


On 6/10/16 11:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

New Wikipedia submission:

Bernie Voter: First loser. Practice loser. ie, Having had practice losing
already, when they shift to supporting Hillary, they will already have
experience losing and their sense of loss will be buffered when she also is
defeated.
See also: Liberal butthurt, Public victim politics, How to avoid reality,
Liberal Critical Thinking, and Blame Transfer.


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On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


If Bernie supporters thought about the situation, they'd realize  it was
rigged from the beginning to more or less force all the "stupordelegates"
to the korrupt klinton krime mob and make it intentionally impossible for
anyone but pillory to win.  Further thought would lead them to become
"never Klinton" voters.

Of course, for these folks, thought is an uncommon occurrence, amongst the
clouds of pakalolo smoke.  Unfortunately they are easily led by the nose by
the propaganda agencies, so they will never figger it out.




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Re: [MBZ] template for Grant's popos to follow

[G Mann via Mercedes]

My "incident" could have gone so much more badly, so quickly, had there
been oncoming traffic as I was driven across that lane.. It's humbling to
say the least.

Met with a law firm today that will be representing me, just to make sure
all the details are properly covered. It now appears the other driver has
been charged, the police report has not yet been released, which likely
translates to a possible criminal charge, since those kinds of reports take
longer, have to be reviewed by the County Prosecutors office.. etc etc..

To date, the response I've gotten from legal staff upon viewing the dash
cam video has been incredibly positive. The suggestion was made [Monday
Quarterback] that to really ice the cake, I could have swiveled the camera
around to my face and narrated the time, date, and pertinent details of the
incident. Then panned the crash scene, and the other car..

After thought.. Hope I never use that newly learned "skill" and there is no
"next time"..

I'm truly sorry for the individuals who were killed and injured in the
incident.. senseless ..


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On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> http://whotv.com/2016/06/10/part-of-interstate-35-closed-for-serious-accident-in-ankeny/
>
> This happened this morning.  Very similar conditions it seems, to Grant's
> perp.  Differences are that this one was on the interstate, and that the
> perp had a long OWI record, and that one poor guy was killed.
>
> The list of charges is particularly interesting.   no info yet on if the
> car rammed was going the speed limit.
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Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP this 115 looks like it just time warped out of the 70's

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

So am I. Would love a w115 300D

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jun 10, 2016 10:09 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm broke
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Go for it kaleb. Looks sweet
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > 1982 300CD
> > 1990 300D
> > Wickford RI
> > On Jun 10, 2016 8:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It still even has the original Siggi Grimm dealer sticker on the back
> >> which was the Tulsa MB dealer up until 91 when they got bought out and
> >> changed names.  My 115 that was my grandmothers has the Siggi Grimm
> sticker
> >> on it as well.  I wonder what they want for it. Its even got leather
> which
> >> is really rare on a 115
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/331877848647?forcerrptr=true=item4d45761647:g:41UAAOSwMNxXWj7j=331877848647
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Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP this 115 looks like it just time warped out of the 70's

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I'm broke

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Go for it kaleb. Looks sweet
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
> On Jun 10, 2016 8:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It still even has the original Siggi Grimm dealer sticker on the back
>> which was the Tulsa MB dealer up until 91 when they got bought out and
>> changed names.  My 115 that was my grandmothers has the Siggi Grimm sticker
>> on it as well.  I wonder what they want for it. Its even got leather which
>> is really rare on a 115
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/331877848647?forcerrptr=true=item4d45761647:g:41UAAOSwMNxXWj7j=331877848647
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Front left ball joint - install

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

I'm having someone do the entire job. 

Michael Esh
231-894-5505


> On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Michael: Do you plan to do this yourself, to hire someone to do it, or a
> hybrid where you pay someone just to remove and press in the new ball
> joints?
> 
> I did this job myself on a 126 a few years ago (both sides).  The w123 front
> end is almost identical except where the guide (brake) rods met the chassis.
> The job requires at least two types of spreaders to pop the tapered ball
> joint and tie rod shafts out of the knuckle (without damaging the boots).
> As mentioned, you can beat the old ball joint out of the knuckle with a
> largish (4+ lb) hammer with the knuckle held firmly in a vice.  But you DO
> need a special tool to press the new BJ into the knuckle.  The official MBZ
> tool for this is $300+.  There is another type of tool that's about $100
> that will do the job using a large (like 10-20 ton) press.  That's why many
> folks take the knuckle to a pro to press in the new parts.
> 
> Disassembly to remove the knuckle took under an hour the second time but it
> took a lot longer the first time when everything was tight and slightly
> corroded. This also requires removing the wheel, Brake caliper, and brake
> disk; so have new axle grease and grease seals on hand.
> 
> Some claim you can press in the new ball joint with a conventional "c-clamp"
> ball joint tool by first removing the rubber boot and using the tool "upside
> down".  Some say you can remove the old ball joint from the knuckle with all
> the other parts still attached. I am skeptical of both claims.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Michael Esh via Mercedes
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:52 AM
>> To: Okie Benz 
>> Cc: Michael Esh 
>> Subject: [MBZ] Front left ball joint - install
>> 
>> Can someone share or point me to a write up on the removal and
> installation
>> of the drivers side lower ball joint on a 1985 300D?
>> I'm  trying out a new mechanic, the old one had a couple of strokes over
> the
>> last year and his kids are fighting over who and how to run the business.
> Not
>> going well at this time.
>> 
>> I ended buying the new Lemforder ball joint from  AutohausAZ for 32.36
>> including shipping. The only downside is it has taken 6 days to get it.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Mike
>> 
>> Michael Esh
>> 231-894-5505
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] HOLY CRAP this 115 looks like it just time warped out of the 70's

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Go for it kaleb. Looks sweet

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jun 10, 2016 8:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It still even has the original Siggi Grimm dealer sticker on the back
> which was the Tulsa MB dealer up until 91 when they got bought out and
> changed names.  My 115 that was my grandmothers has the Siggi Grimm sticker
> on it as well.  I wonder what they want for it. Its even got leather which
> is really rare on a 115
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/331877848647?forcerrptr=true=item4d45761647:g:41UAAOSwMNxXWj7j=331877848647
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Re: [MBZ] Front left ball joint - install

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Michael: Do you plan to do this yourself, to hire someone to do it, or a
hybrid where you pay someone just to remove and press in the new ball
joints?

I did this job myself on a 126 a few years ago (both sides).  The w123 front
end is almost identical except where the guide (brake) rods met the chassis.
The job requires at least two types of spreaders to pop the tapered ball
joint and tie rod shafts out of the knuckle (without damaging the boots).
As mentioned, you can beat the old ball joint out of the knuckle with a
largish (4+ lb) hammer with the knuckle held firmly in a vice.  But you DO
need a special tool to press the new BJ into the knuckle.  The official MBZ
tool for this is $300+.  There is another type of tool that's about $100
that will do the job using a large (like 10-20 ton) press.  That's why many
folks take the knuckle to a pro to press in the new parts.

Disassembly to remove the knuckle took under an hour the second time but it
took a lot longer the first time when everything was tight and slightly
corroded. This also requires removing the wheel, Brake caliper, and brake
disk; so have new axle grease and grease seals on hand.

Some claim you can press in the new ball joint with a conventional "c-clamp"
ball joint tool by first removing the rubber boot and using the tool "upside
down".  Some say you can remove the old ball joint from the knuckle with all
the other parts still attached. I am skeptical of both claims.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Esh via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 7:52 AM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Michael Esh 
> Subject: [MBZ] Front left ball joint - install
> 
> Can someone share or point me to a write up on the removal and
installation
> of the drivers side lower ball joint on a 1985 300D?
> I'm  trying out a new mechanic, the old one had a couple of strokes over
the
> last year and his kids are fighting over who and how to run the business.
Not
> going well at this time.
> 
> I ended buying the new Lemforder ball joint from  AutohausAZ for 32.36
> including shipping. The only downside is it has taken 6 days to get it.
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike
> 
> Michael Esh
> 231-894-5505
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Question about zinc oil additive.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

So what does this mean for using M1 in OM 617 & OM 602 engines. Kinda nice
to see an oil thread in the midst of political rants. I miss the old oil
threads.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jun 10, 2016 6:38 PM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Note that you MUST use approved oil in VW diesels, especially those with
unit injectors, as they have flat tappets.  If you don't, the cam lobes
wear, greatly reducing power.

I suspect they are high ZDDP oils.

This has been an issue with the performance crowd for a while, some older
american iron will eat a cam in a few thousand miles without the zinc.

Peter


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[MBZ] cheap? 300D NA parts car in CA

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SD/301980539686?

Says SD, but is a 123, not 116

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[MBZ] HOLY CRAP this 115 looks like it just time warped out of the 70's

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It still even has the original Siggi Grimm dealer sticker on the back 
which was the Tulsa MB dealer up until 91 when they got bought out and 
changed names.  My 115 that was my grandmothers has the Siggi Grimm 
sticker on it as well.  I wonder what they want for it. Its even got 
leather which is really rare on a 115


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/331877848647?forcerrptr=true=item4d45761647:g:41UAAOSwMNxXWj7j=331877848647

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Re: [MBZ] OT a question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> so all the west coast and it seems a good part of the country is all atwitter 
> that this stanford kid got a light sentence.
> 
> Meanwhile, a serial rapist walks free, delivering "speeches" so memorable 
> nobody records them, and rakes in millions for selling state secrets, with 
> his dear wifey, hands out millions of taxpayer dollars, of which about 30% 
> are paid to him, and outside of a couple guys on the radio, nothing is said.  
> No demand that he be prosecuted from the "caring" public, no arrest, nobody 
> atwitter, only crickets.
> 
> Double standard?  Hypocrites?  why the disparity?
> 
> Meanwhile, another man who is accused of being a serial rapist faces multiple 
> trials.
> 
> Double standard?  Hypocrites?  why the disparity?
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[MBZ] OT a question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

so all the west coast and it seems a good part of the country is all 
atwitter that this stanford kid got a light sentence.


Meanwhile, a serial rapist walks free, delivering "speeches" so 
memorable nobody records them, and rakes in millions for selling state 
secrets, with his dear wifey, hands out millions of taxpayer dollars, of 
which about 30% are paid to him, and outside of a couple guys on the 
radio, nothing is said.  No demand that he be prosecuted from the 
"caring" public, no arrest, nobody atwitter, only crickets.


Double standard?  Hypocrites?  why the disparity?

Meanwhile, another man who is accused of being a serial rapist faces 
multiple trials.


Double standard?  Hypocrites?  why the disparity?

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[MBZ] template for Grant's popos to follow

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

http://whotv.com/2016/06/10/part-of-interstate-35-closed-for-serious-accident-in-ankeny/

This happened this morning.  Very similar conditions it seems, to 
Grant's perp.  Differences are that this one was on the interstate, and 
that the perp had a long OWI record, and that one poor guy was killed.


The list of charges is particularly interesting.   no info yet on if the 
car rammed was going the speed limit.


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Re: [MBZ] 300TD TRAVELS UPDATE

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:22:11 -0500 Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes
 wrote:

> http://www.nwtfc.com/treks/1992/1992_trek.htm
> 
> 68k miles
> 
> rear twin bed floor plan  26 feet
> 
> the 240d of motor homes
> 
> supposed to be underpowered like an isuzu npr

And 15 miles/gallon! That's what our Chevy van does!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Lizards

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 11:26:59 -0400 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I remember when one of my daughters was 7 she came inside with a 
> lizard hanging from each ear. She had caught them and induced 
> them to bite her ears for ear rings. She was so proud of herself. 
> Somewhere we still have the picture I took of her.

That would be cute to see.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Question about zinc oil additive.

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Note that you MUST use approved oil in VW diesels, especially those  
with unit injectors, as they have flat tappets.  If you don't, the cam  
lobes wear, greatly reducing power.


I suspect they are high ZDDP oils.

This has been an issue with the performance crowd for a while, some  
older american iron will eat a cam in a few thousand miles without the  
zinc.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Scott wrote:
> ...They build wealth, demand their children get educated, and send their 
> grandkids to Stanford.

I gotta see evidence for this concept.  I realize I have been fed the
same idiocy, but... I wonder.
I believe most immigrants of history had to come with some significant
coin.  Travel across the pond does not just happen.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Burned burners

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

The new political machinery needs to employ millenials en masse.
The boomers on the airwaves today are the largest failure.
Boomers only spit out what they have been taught.
Millenials also spit out what they have been taught but they need to
be groomed to leading positions.
Millenials need to be apprenticed to leadership media positions.
Dump the old broads on tv and radio.
Greed by working boomers needs to stop.
Sure, freedom or liberty to work, but no thought to millenials pulling shots?
Boomers - retire, already.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

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On 10/06/2016 4:16 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

First tell him that any car he has to finance is out of his price range.

Then tell him to find a nice Volvo 240.


Which are just a bit slower than a 240D with an automatic.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

First tell him that any car he has to finance is out of his price range.

Then tell him to find a nice Volvo 240.
On Jun 10, 2016 8:07 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> i noticed that about the pathfinder too.  I am sure that sends a lot of
> them into the ditches.  You don't want twitchy steering driving on ice or
> snow.  I'll take a 110 or 111 for that.  with the right tars, they are rock
> solid.
>
> there are reasons why every time a little snow falls, the ditches are
> filled with "SUV"s and a high number are upside down, on the side or
> completely rolled over.  Operator error for sure, but twitchy steering is
> certainly a contributing factor, along with tars, and design (short
> wheelbase, high center of gravity and twitchy steering)
>
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>> June 10, 2016 at 9:19 AMvia Postbox <
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>>
>> I didn't hate it. The Sante Fe had an adjustable
>> lumbar support, which made it WAY more pleasant
>> to drive for 14 hours.
>> Both cars were "twitchy", meaning they have fast steering ratios.
>> The Jeep had superior electronics, streaming bluetooth
>> in that car was very easy and worked exceptionally well.
>> The Hyundai was a little buggy, in that regard.
>>
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>> Thanks.  He went to the local Carmax and looked at a variety of SUVs.  He
>> rated them all on a list (how organized is that?) and liked the Hunda CRV
>> the best, but also liked the Nissan Pathfinder which is a bit larger and a
>> bit more $$.  I was suggesting the Nissan, just for the larger mass and
>> safety.  I saw a CRV yesterday morning, never paid much attention to them,
>> it was nice but looked small.  He looked at the hundays too, was not
>> totally impressed compared to the others.  I recall renting one some years
>> ago, thought it was OK too.  He also liked some Fords, interesting.
>>
>> I'm going to look at some of them around here, try to find a suthrun car
>> (a lot of them seem to be from NY for some reason, leases or rentals) to
>> avoid the road salt issue.  He will get his financing organized so we can
>> pull the trigger when I find something, he can come here and get it.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Rich inquires:
>>
>> The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
>>> given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
>>> car.
>>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> I recently rented a Jeep Compass, and a Hyundai Santa Fe.
>>
>> The Jeep was uncomfortable on a long trip.
>>
>> The Hyundai was an exceptionally good appliance.
>> Quite comfortable. Great fuel mileage. I would
>> recommend it, if one is looking for a smaller SUV
>> type appliance.
>>
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>> The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
>> given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
>> car. He's OK with that.  Looking at Carmax just because I don't want to
>> deal with a stealer or CL.  Could maybe get an extended warranty.  The
>> local/nearby Carmaxes have a bunch of SUVs, the Nissans and hyundais look
>> all to be ex-rentals ("fleet").  Any thoughts on getting an ex-rental with
>> 15-20k-ish miles? 2013-2015 so a year or 3 old with reasonable miles.  He
>> kinda liked a RAV4 but they only had 2WD models, the others I looked at are
>> 4WD.
>>
>> The basic issue is he does not want to deal with a car except to drive
>> it, I'm thinking the asian stuff is fairly reliable, relatively, and the
>> prices are in the $20k-$23k range which is doable.
>>
>> Thoughts?  BTW he has my dad's old 98 Caddy DeVille that is running fine
>> but the electronic instrument cluster has gone mostly inop.  He got another
>> one off ebay which works but it has to be flashed to match the car's
>> computer or something, and that costs like $800-$900 by the time it is
>> pulled, flashed, 

Re: [MBZ] Mexicans

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

"deceptive, yet obviously self-serving" accounting from the "most open 
and transparent" dictator in Mercun history?  Surely not!


()


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 3:14 PMvia Postbox 





Saying it doesn't make it true.

http://immigrationreform.com/2012/08/30/facts-dispel-myth-that-obama-has-increased-deportations/

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 5, 2016 at 12:07 PMvia Postbox 

Obama is the deportingest president ever but everybody seems to say he 
doesn't care about illegal immigration. Can somebody explain to me how 
those two ideas fit together? How can he at the same time deport more 
illegals than any president ever, thus pissing off the hispanics, but 
also somehow support illegal immigration, thus pissing off basically 
everybody else?


-Curt

From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
To: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
Cc: Rick Knoble 
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mexicans


It doesn't matter. The rule of law no longer exists. For that matter, 
the USA as many of us remember growing up in, no longer exists.


Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Rick
Meteor 2016
"Just get it over with"

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It doesn't matter. The rule of law no longer exists. For that matter, 
the USA as many of us remember growing up in, no longer exists.


Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Rick
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"Just get it over with"

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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

does the jack actually work to break a bead?  I watched a London 
Barrister break down a tyre and change it pretty much bare handed in 
1968.  It was probably a 13" tyre and it was a radial, but having helped 
to break down truck and tractor tires, I was impressed that a guy in a 
suit could change a tyre over there.


I have successfully broken down tires on steel wheel with a 2x12 and the 
tractor.  Lay the 2x on the tire and back over it with the tractor rear 
tire.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 2:33 PMvia Postbox 





Bead breaker?

I thought that's why Mercedes thoughtfully provided those hand cranked 
jacks with every car.


Mitch.

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June 9, 2016 at 1:53 PMvia Postbox 



Break the bead. Clean the bead seat on the rim and the bead on the
tire. Reseat.

Hard to do without a bead breaker, so you might not be able to do
it yourself.

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Max Dillon via Mercedes 
June 8, 2016 at 5:58 PMvia Postbox 


Can I fix this at home? Slow air leak from between the tire and the rim.


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Re: [MBZ] Mexicans

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On June 5, 2016 at 1:07 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  wrote:Obama is the deportingest president everSaying it doesn't make it true. http://immigrationreform.com/2012/08/30/facts-dispel-myth-that-obama-has-increased-deportations/
 

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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

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Ahh!  Now I see

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Max
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On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> put tire under jack and hook  nose of the jack under something solid and
> crank away.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 10/06/2016 2:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> OK I'll bite.  How could the jack be used as a bead breaker?
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bead breaker?
>>>
>>> I thought that's why Mercedes thoughtfully provided those hand cranked
>>> jacks with every car.
>>>
>>> Mitch.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

put tire under jack and hook  nose of the jack under something solid and 
crank away.


RB

On 10/06/2016 2:56 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

OK I'll bite.  How could the jack be used as a bead breaker?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Bead breaker?

I thought that's why Mercedes thoughtfully provided those hand cranked
jacks with every car.

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

OK I'll bite.  How could the jack be used as a bead breaker?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bead breaker?
>
> I thought that's why Mercedes thoughtfully provided those hand cranked
> jacks with every car.
>
> Mitch.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] fuel prices?

[clay via Mercedes]

We had a little train fire when one of the Bakken haulers fell over with 100 
cars of crude.  That got all manner of enviro nerds in a twist, so our fuel 
went up to over  $3/gal


clay

On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> Dissel went form 1.39 to 2.39-245 over the past 5-6 months.
> 
> Crude went from 26 to 40ish, so some price changes are to be expected.  
> However, as usual, when the crude closes, up, the price of fuel at the pump 
> jumps immediately.  when crude closes down, nothing happens until long after 
> the lower priced fuel has been delivered to the pumps.  We saw jumps up of 
> 20-30¢ at a time.  it goes down a couple pennies at a time.
> 
> Right now, about 2.25 for both E10 benzin and Dissel.
> 
> Y'all in Canada are always getting ripped.  Y'all have all that oil shale, 
> but don't seem to see benefits at the pump.
>> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> June 10, 2016 at 11:43 AMvia Postbox 
>> 
>> Are you seeing fuel prices jump down south?
>> 
>> Our prices have gone up substantially in the past month or so.
>> 
>> We were paying low $0.90's and now it is $1.189 per liter.
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

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On June 9, 2016 at 2:53 PM fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:Break the bead. Clean the bead seat on the rim and the bead on thetire. Reseat.Hard to do without a bead breaker, so you might not be able to doit yourself.Bead breaker?I thought that's why Mercedes thoughtfully provided those hand cranked jacks with every car. Mitch.
 

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Re: [MBZ] 300TD TRAVELS UPDATE

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Friend has a 40' diesel pusher with a 8 point something Cummins turbo 
diesel.

He gets about 10 mpg while pulling a small car at highway speeds.

RB

On 10/06/2016 1:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Cool, I would like to find one

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 10, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
 wrote:

FOLKS

I BOUGHT THE isuzu powered 26 foot safari trek for $1500

we dragged it off of the property with a chain and i got it running

it runs and drives well and i am living in it in red level al

i still need tires and need to get the charging system working and i need to 
find a driver

like this

http://www.nwtfc.com/treks/1992/1992_trek.htm

68k miles

rear twin bed floor plan  26 feet

the 240d of motor homes

supposed to be underpowered like an isuzu npr

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] Lizards

[clay via Mercedes]

Get a python.  That will take care of mice pretty good.  Leaping lizards as well

clay

On Jun 9, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> I was not too worried about it, just want to figure out how he got in so I 
> can stop mice from getting in.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We have a bunch of those too.  I occasionally find them in the house mostly 
>> dead as I think the bug spray gets them.  They are mostly harmless and will 
>> actually eat bugs they might find, so I wouldn't get too worried about them. 
>>  The dogs love them outside, the lizards keep them entertained.
>> 
>> I got a pic a coupla weeks ago of two of them "wrestling."
>> 
>> --JC
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/9/16 5:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Well at one point he went down the garbage disposal. I would have turned 
>>> that sucker on if it was me.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 We have lizards all over the place outside.  We refer to them as “lanai 
 sushi” as the cat enjoys playing with, then consuming them.
 
 BTW, don’t eat the green ones, they’re not ripe.
 
 Dan
 
 
> On Jun 9, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I have seen mice in the house before but today I spotted a lizard sitting 
> on the kitchen counter. Huh? He ran behind the stove before I could get 
> him. Just now he was spotted under a clear lid in the sink. The 18 year 
> old was recruited to get rid of him. He grabbed him by the tail which 
> then fell off so he dropped the lizard. He got him again and got him out 
> of the door. Not sure how the heck he got in the house.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Burned burners

[clay via Mercedes]

Local State Research University has found a marked increase in students seeking 
STEM degrees to the point that humanities A & S Dean is worried that some 
programs will suffer.  Most of the degree seekers are asian, while the pale 
people are after the touchy feely diploma.  Asians are paying out of state fees 
in the mid five figure ranges while the white kids are low five figure and most 
likely to be pulling espresso drinks after waltzing past the podium.  

As for employment opportunities, the white kids from LSRU will not be working 
for the mega tech giants in town.  Those complexes hire brains from out of 
area, because we produce idiots, no employees.




clay 

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On Jun 9, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> I guess I agree and disagree. 
> Psycho-babble has its place but a psychology degree is a low-wage earner one. 
> Forcing colleges to come up with a cost/benefit ratio for career paths to 
> show to prospective students would go a long way.
> The ones on tv that complain about high student loans are usually kids that 
> went to private school and got a degree in humanities.
> State schools, like the place I went, have improved the quality of life a lot 
> from the old days but are still a long way from the giant private schools. 
> When I started school at Fitchburg a friend as at BU. All my teachers were 
> real actual professors, quite a few Doctors too. Most of his instructors were 
> grad students. He was paying $20,000 MORE a year just in tuition than I was 
> paying for tuition, fees and room and board and I was on the expensive (19 
> meals a week) food program.
> When I paid off my student loans the guy in the cube next to me had 5 years 
> left to go at twice my payment. He'd gone to Emerson at the same time as I 
> had, had the same basic degree I had and was working the same job for the 
> same pay as I was...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Burned burners
> 
> This is also true.  I worked my way through kolledge.  I used my $400 
> student loan to buy a pioneer stereo and a drum set.  I still have both.
> 
> but most people never use the kollege education at work. The exceptions 
> are math, sciences (hard sciences, real science, as opposed to the 
> sociology, psychology, edubabble, etc.) and engineering and technology 
> areas.  The fraud still exists in the form of exorbitant fees, and in 
> the form of worthless degrees, like genderstudies, ethnic studies, etc.
> 
> The majority of kids in kollege now believe they are owed higher ed and 
> a high llifestyle.  The rush around campuses is to build the most fancy, 
> most expensive student dwellings.  The on-campus housing is following 
> the same path.  single rooms, big pools and rec halls, and all kinds of 
> other BS.  A far cry from the dorms of the 70s and before.
> 
>> OK Don via Mercedes 
>> June 9, 2016 at 2:15 PMvia Postbox 
>> 
>> Taking on the student loan debt is a choice, it's not the only way to pay
>> for school. For instance, the students can work . . . as a lot of us did,
>> and my kids did.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 09/06/2016 7:48 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Has anyone tried this tire changer?
http://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-69686.html


Flimsy.  Bends easily.  _Slightly_ better than having no
tool at all.

-- Jim


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May be different quality items of similar design out there.
I have never thought of the one I have as flimsy and it has not bent but 
it was not from HF - just looks similar to the HF model.
There is also a heavier duty model available that will do larger tires. 
Not sure if it will do smaller tires like utility trailer etc.


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Re: [MBZ] 300TD TRAVELS UPDATE

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Sounds like you got a good deal!  What is the condition of the interior?
Pix?

I've been toying with the idea of buying a travel trailer to do some car
camping.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> FOLKS
>
> I BOUGHT THE isuzu powered 26 foot safari trek for $1500
>
> we dragged it off of the property with a chain and i got it running
>
> it runs and drives well and i am living in it in red level al
>
> i still need tires and need to get the charging system working and i need
> to find a driver
>
> like this
>
> http://www.nwtfc.com/treks/1992/1992_trek.htm
>
> 68k miles
>
> rear twin bed floor plan  26 feet
>
> the 240d of motor homes
>
> supposed to be underpowered like an isuzu npr
>
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

After what G.Mann said about it versus Northern Tool, I'm going to look at the 
NT one first. 
Sounds like you might be able to use a manual bead-breaker along with the HF 
machine. I had one years ago which worked well on the old bias ply tires. Not 
sure how well it would work on the current tires however. This is what mine was 
like:

https://1stwebsales.com/portable-tire-changer-changing-machine-car-truck-motorcycle-manual-bead-breaker.html?utm_source=bing_medium=cpc_campaign=Shopping%2520Ads(BSC)_term=1101700102899_content=All%2520Products

After breaking both beads, we would take two tire irons and remove the tire 
from the rim, Then use a rubber mallet to mount the new tire.
Gerry
~

> That is what I have. It works OK but the bead breaking is a 
> chore. You also need to bolt it onto the floor or you won't be 
> able to do much with it.
> Manfred
> >   
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:47:30 -0400
> > From: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
> 
> > 
> > Has anyone tried this tire changer?
> > 
> > http://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-69686.html
> > 
> > Gerry
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD TRAVELS UPDATE

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Cool, I would like to find one

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> On Jun 10, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> FOLKS
> 
> I BOUGHT THE isuzu powered 26 foot safari trek for $1500
> 
> we dragged it off of the property with a chain and i got it running
> 
> it runs and drives well and i am living in it in red level al
> 
> i still need tires and need to get the charging system working and i need to 
> find a driver
> 
> like this
> 
> http://www.nwtfc.com/treks/1992/1992_trek.htm
> 
> 68k miles
> 
> rear twin bed floor plan  26 feet
> 
> the 240d of motor homes
> 
> supposed to be underpowered like an isuzu npr
> 
> thanks,
> 
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD TRAVELS UPDATE

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You are only about 115 miles from Mobile.

Congrats, I think


Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 12:22 PMvia Postbox 


FOLKS

I BOUGHT THE isuzu powered 26 foot safari trek for $1500

we dragged it off of the property with a chain and i got it running

it runs and drives well and i am living in it in red level al

i still need tires and need to get the charging system working and i 
need to find a driver


like this

http://www.nwtfc.com/treks/1992/1992_trek.htm

68k miles

rear twin bed floor plan 26 feet

the 240d of motor homes

supposed to be underpowered like an isuzu npr

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins


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[MBZ] 300TD TRAVELS UPDATE

[Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes]

FOLKS

I BOUGHT THE isuzu powered 26 foot safari trek for $1500

we dragged it off of the property with a chain and i got it running

it runs and drives well and i am living in it in red level al

i still need tires and need to get the charging system working and i need to 
find a driver

like this

http://www.nwtfc.com/treks/1992/1992_trek.htm

68k miles

rear twin bed floor plan  26 feet

the 240d of motor homes

supposed to be underpowered like an isuzu npr

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] fuel prices?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It has been going up around here. Diesel was down to 1.49 or lower and is now 
2.09 most places others are 2.29. Can be found for 1.89 at a couple of places 
like SAMs where I just filled up.

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> On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> 
> Are you seeing fuel prices jump down south?
> 
> Our prices have gone up substantially in the past month or so.
> 
> We were paying low $0.90's and now it is $1.189 per liter.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] pioneer stereos

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I need to find somebody who can repair the receiver out of an rca console 
stereo, probably needs new transistors

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> On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I picked up a 1971 vintage Pioneer receiver at a garage sale.  It turned out 
> to be the top of the like in that era.  I found a guy in NY who repairs and 
> cleans them.  Sent it off to him, and for $200 he replaced a bunch of 
> components, (not just caps)  cleaned everything and has it working like new.  
> I think that old Pioneers are really nice.  They certainly are study as my 
> original has been working 44 years.  I think I will send it in to him next 
> year.
> 
> If anyone has a pioneer stereo you'd like renewed, I'd be glad to send you 
> his contact info.
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Re: [MBZ] fuel prices?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dissel went form 1.39 to 2.39-245 over the past 5-6 months.

Crude went from 26 to 40ish, so some price changes are to be expected.  
However, as usual, when the crude closes, up, the price of fuel at the 
pump jumps immediately.  when crude closes down, nothing happens until 
long after the lower priced fuel has been delivered to the pumps.  We 
saw jumps up of 20-30¢ at a time.  it goes down a couple pennies at a time.


Right now, about 2.25 for both E10 benzin and Dissel.

Y'all in Canada are always getting ripped.  Y'all have all that oil 
shale, but don't seem to see benefits at the pump.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 11:43 AMvia Postbox 


Are you seeing fuel prices jump down south?

Our prices have gone up substantially in the past month or so.

We were paying low $0.90's and now it is $1.189 per liter.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] pioneer stereos

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

The SPEC-1, SPEC-2 was the stuff when I was a kid. A buddy had 
one right in the late seventies. Another friend had a very high end 
Macintosh (no, not the iCrap) that was incredible. 

Rick

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[MBZ] fuel prices?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Are you seeing fuel prices jump down south?

Our prices have gone up substantially in the past month or so.

We were paying low $0.90's and now it is $1.189 per liter.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Burned burners

[G Mann via Mercedes]

New Wikipedia submission:

Bernie Voter: First loser. Practice loser. ie, Having had practice losing
already, when they shift to supporting Hillary, they will already have
experience losing and their sense of loss will be buffered when she also is
defeated.
See also: Liberal butthurt, Public victim politics, How to avoid reality,
Liberal Critical Thinking, and Blame Transfer.


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On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> If Bernie supporters thought about the situation, they'd realize  it was
> rigged from the beginning to more or less force all the "stupordelegates"
> to the korrupt klinton krime mob and make it intentionally impossible for
> anyone but pillory to win.  Further thought would lead them to become
> "never Klinton" voters.
>
> Of course, for these folks, thought is an uncommon occurrence, amongst the
> clouds of pakalolo smoke.  Unfortunately they are easily led by the nose by
> the propaganda agencies, so they will never figger it out.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Burned burners

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If Bernie supporters thought about the situation, they'd realize  it was 
rigged from the beginning to more or less force all the 
"stupordelegates" to the korrupt klinton krime mob and make it 
intentionally impossible for anyone but pillory to win.  Further thought 
would lead them to become "never Klinton" voters.


Of course, for these folks, thought is an uncommon occurrence, amongst 
the clouds of pakalolo smoke.  Unfortunately they are easily led by the 
nose by the propaganda agencies, so they will never figger it out.




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Re: [MBZ] pioneer stereos

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes, I nave been looking (not very hard) for a SX626, or SX636 or one 
model up or down for years off and on.  I have SX626 and SX2500.  The 
SX2500 was a LOT of money in 1971  (in the $500 to $1000 range, receiver 
only)  A SX-2500 setup, with a turntable, speakers and maybe a tape deck 
would be well over $1000 at the time (when most of us were paid $2.00 an 
hour)  My stereo was worth about 150 hours of work, before taxes.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 10:24 AMvia Postbox 


SX-XXX series, like SX-780/880/980?

Those were nice. I had a 780 at one time, and whatever the top of the 
line was, 1080?


Dan

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Re: [MBZ] pioneer stereos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

SX-XXX series, like SX-780/880/980?

Those were nice. I had a 780 at one time, and whatever the top of the line was, 
1080?

Dan

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> On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> 
> I picked up a 1971 vintage Pioneer receiver at a garage sale.  It turned out 
> to be the top of the like in that era.  I found a guy in NY who repairs and 
> cleans them.  Sent it off to him, and for $200 he replaced a bunch of 
> components, (not just caps)  cleaned everything and has it working like new.  
> I think that old Pioneers are really nice.  They certainly are study as my 
> original has been working 44 years.  I think I will send it in to him next 
> year.
> 
> If anyone has a pioneer stereo you'd like renewed, I'd be glad to send you 
> his contact info.
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Re: [MBZ] Lizards

[MG via Mercedes]

I remember when one of my daughters was 7 she came inside with a 
lizard hanging from each ear. She had caught them and induced 
them to bite her ears for ear rings. She was so proud of herself. 
Somewhere we still have the picture I took of her.


Manfred


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We have lizards all over the place outside.  We refer to them as ?lanai sushi? 
as the cat enjoys playing with, then consuming them.

BTW, don?t eat the green ones, they?re not ripe.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

[MG via Mercedes]

That is what I have. It works OK but the bead breaking is a 
chore. You also need to bolt it onto the floor or you won't be 
able to do much with it.


Manfred
  


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Has anyone tried this tire changer?

http://www.harborfreight.com/manual-tire-changer-69686.html

Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Burned burners

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, a Mercedes Benz IS still a Mercedes Benz.  even if it IS 30, 40, 
or 50 years old.  BTW, my 200D turned 50 last fall.  The 240Ds are 
"only" 35 and 36.  A well maintained Mercedes will always turn heads to 
some extent.  Even the rustbucket SDL (Al Capone)  gets some respect.  
Especially when I mention half a million miles.


A 230SL would be over 50.  a 250SL is ~50 and a 280 SL (113) is 
approaching 50.  the 107 design is approaching 50 also.



MG via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 10:10 AMvia Postbox 


My daughter got that once from her ex boyfriend's mother.
I had given her the 81 300SD and the first time she drove it over to 
his parent's house was the first time his mother ever came out to meet 
her, exclaiming all the while about her nice Mercedes. The lady got 
pop-eyed when she found out I had just given it to my daughter and 
just about fell over when my daughter modestly mentioned that it 
didn't mean much to me since I had 4 others.


I understand that she bugged her husband for quite some time after 
that to get her a Mercedes also. I have had a lots of laughs over that 
one ever since.


Manfred



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[MBZ] pioneer stereos

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I picked up a 1971 vintage Pioneer receiver at a garage sale.  It turned 
out to be the top of the like in that era.  I found a guy in NY who 
repairs and cleans them.  Sent it off to him, and for $200 he replaced a 
bunch of components, (not just caps)  cleaned everything and has it 
working like new.  I think that old Pioneers are really nice.  They 
certainly are study as my original has been working 44 years.  I think I 
will send it in to him next year.


If anyone has a pioneer stereo you'd like renewed, I'd be glad to send 
you his contact info.


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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

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On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:53:44 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Craig,
> 
> They are one of the few places that I regularly will take our cars for
> work that I can't or don't want to do myself.  Absolutely the best
> customer service (honest, up-front with all the options, always offer
> choices to save money, very few mistakes in 16 years).
> 
> However, I will not buy new tires locally until the price difference vs.
> online goes down.  I'll take them the tires for installation and for an
> alignment, but they'll only get that part of the work.  Their selection
> is also rather limited.

Oh, OK.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Burned burners

[MG via Mercedes]

My daughter got that once from her ex boyfriend's mother.
I had given her the 81 300SD and the first time she drove it over 
to his parent's house was the first time his mother ever came out 
to meet her, exclaiming all the while about her nice Mercedes. 
The lady got pop-eyed when she found out I had just given it to 
my daughter and just about fell over when my daughter modestly 
mentioned that it didn't mean much to me since I had 4 others.


I understand that she bugged her husband for quite some time 
after that to get her a Mercedes also. I have had a lots of 
laughs over that one ever since.


Manfred




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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 21:15:47 + (UTC)
From: Curt Raymond 

Agreed.
I only got the "high falutin Mercedes owner" thing once. Friends of my parents happened 
to come over while we were visiting and were very impressed with my '83 240D. I pointed out it had 
a quarter million miles, peeling clearcoat, significant rust and an unsettling tendency to eat 
alternators to which he replied "but its a Mercedes!"
-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

i noticed that about the pathfinder too.  I am sure that sends a lot of 
them into the ditches.  You don't want twitchy steering driving on ice 
or snow.  I'll take a 110 or 111 for that.  with the right tars, they 
are rock solid.


there are reasons why every time a little snow falls, the ditches are 
filled with "SUV"s and a high number are upside down, on the side or 
completely rolled over.  Operator error for sure, but twitchy steering 
is certainly a contributing factor, along with tars, and design (short 
wheelbase, high center of gravity and twitchy steering)



Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 9:19 AMvia Postbox 



I didn't hate it. The Sante Fe had an adjustable
lumbar support, which made it WAY more pleasant
to drive for 14 hours.
Both cars were "twitchy", meaning they have fast steering ratios.
The Jeep had superior electronics, streaming bluetooth
in that car was very easy and worked exceptionally well.
The Hyundai was a little buggy, in that regard.

Rick
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Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 8:47 AMvia Postbox 

Thanks.  He went to the local Carmax and looked at a variety of SUVs.  
He rated them all on a list (how organized is that?) and liked the 
Hunda CRV the best, but also liked the Nissan Pathfinder which is a 
bit larger and a bit more $$.  I was suggesting the Nissan, just for 
the larger mass and safety.  I saw a CRV yesterday morning, never paid 
much attention to them, it was nice but looked small.  He looked at 
the hundays too, was not totally impressed compared to the others.  I 
recall renting one some years ago, thought it was OK too.  He also 
liked some Fords, interesting.


I'm going to look at some of them around here, try to find a suthrun 
car (a lot of them seem to be from NY for some reason, leases or 
rentals) to avoid the road salt issue.  He will get his financing 
organized so we can pull the trigger when I find something, he can 
come here and get it.


--R




Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 8:37 AMvia Postbox 


Rich inquires:


The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
car.



Thoughts?


I recently rented a Jeep Compass, and a Hyundai Santa Fe.

The Jeep was uncomfortable on a long trip.

The Hyundai was an exceptionally good appliance.
Quite comfortable. Great fuel mileage. I would
recommend it, if one is looking for a smaller SUV
type appliance.

Rick
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Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 6, 2016 at 2:40 PMvia Postbox 

The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD 
given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a 
little car. He's OK with that.  Looking at Carmax just because I don't 
want to deal with a stealer or CL.  Could maybe get an extended 
warranty.  The local/nearby Carmaxes have a bunch of SUVs, the Nissans 
and hyundais look all to be ex-rentals ("fleet").  Any thoughts on 
getting an ex-rental with 15-20k-ish miles? 2013-2015 so a year or 3 
old with reasonable miles.  He kinda liked a RAV4 but they only had 
2WD models, the others I looked at are 4WD.


The basic issue is he does not want to deal with a car except to drive 
it, I'm thinking the asian stuff is fairly reliable, relatively, and 
the prices are in the $20k-$23k range which is doable.


Thoughts?  BTW he has my dad's old 98 Caddy DeVille that is running 
fine but the electronic instrument cluster has gone mostly inop.  He 
got another one off ebay which works but it has to be flashed to match 
the car's computer or something, and that costs like $800-$900 by the 
time it is pulled, flashed, organized somehow, then reinstalled.  He 
can't get it inspected in nannyland without doing that, I can't see 
putting that kind of $$ into an 18yo car, I could probably sell it 
here and get something for it or give it to the girl again.




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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

the difference between first gen CRV and the current one is staggering.  
FIrst gen was a japanese mini SUV. (or was that micro?)  current ones 
are what I'd call full size.


Same with the toada RAV.  (its direct competitor)  The current on is the 
same hight  and width as dogde Grand Caravan, and only 5-6" shorter.  It 
is no where near as usable.  For all that mass, I'd buy the GC in a 
heartbeat!


Current pathfinder is huge.  pretty close to full size pickup based SUV 
thing.  Original was based on datsun (mini) pickup.



Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 8:47 AMvia Postbox 

Thanks.  He went to the local Carmax and looked at a variety of SUVs.  
He rated them all on a list (how organized is that?) and liked the 
Hunda CRV the best, but also liked the Nissan Pathfinder which is a 
bit larger and a bit more $$.  I was suggesting the Nissan, just for 
the larger mass and safety.  I saw a CRV yesterday morning, never paid 
much attention to them, it was nice but looked small.  He looked at 
the hundays too, was not totally impressed compared to the others.  I 
recall renting one some years ago, thought it was OK too.  He also 
liked some Fords, interesting.


I'm going to look at some of them around here, try to find a suthrun 
car (a lot of them seem to be from NY for some reason, leases or 
rentals) to avoid the road salt issue.  He will get his financing 
organized so we can pull the trigger when I find something, he can 
come here and get it.


--R




Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 8:37 AMvia Postbox 


Rich inquires:


The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
car.



Thoughts?


I recently rented a Jeep Compass, and a Hyundai Santa Fe.

The Jeep was uncomfortable on a long trip.

The Hyundai was an exceptionally good appliance.
Quite comfortable. Great fuel mileage. I would
recommend it, if one is looking for a smaller SUV
type appliance.

Rick
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Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 6, 2016 at 2:40 PMvia Postbox 

The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD 
given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a 
little car. He's OK with that.  Looking at Carmax just because I don't 
want to deal with a stealer or CL.  Could maybe get an extended 
warranty.  The local/nearby Carmaxes have a bunch of SUVs, the Nissans 
and hyundais look all to be ex-rentals ("fleet").  Any thoughts on 
getting an ex-rental with 15-20k-ish miles? 2013-2015 so a year or 3 
old with reasonable miles.  He kinda liked a RAV4 but they only had 
2WD models, the others I looked at are 4WD.


The basic issue is he does not want to deal with a car except to drive 
it, I'm thinking the asian stuff is fairly reliable, relatively, and 
the prices are in the $20k-$23k range which is doable.


Thoughts?  BTW he has my dad's old 98 Caddy DeVille that is running 
fine but the electronic instrument cluster has gone mostly inop.  He 
got another one off ebay which works but it has to be flashed to match 
the car's computer or something, and that costs like $800-$900 by the 
time it is pulled, flashed, organized somehow, then reinstalled.  He 
can't get it inspected in nannyland without doing that, I can't see 
putting that kind of $$ into an 18yo car, I could probably sell it 
here and get something for it or give it to the girl again.




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Re: [MBZ] Question about zinc oil additive.

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Curley sez:

>So that includes the VW engines and their asian knock-offs. ...along
>with pretty much all engines designed before 1990

Yup. They are leaving us Luddites behind.

Rick



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Re: [MBZ] start saving your quarters

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Real friends don't need to be impressed with your personal awsome-ness.

At this price.. it is the automotive equal to a Lady GaGa meat dress...

But.. hey.. it's YOUR soap and your shower... scrub anything you want as
long as you want ...


Virus-free

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> You'll need a million of them
>
>
> http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/mercedes-will-sell-the-g500-4x4-in-america-after-all-1781652150
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Re: [MBZ] Question about zinc oil additive.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

So that includes the VW engines and their asian knock-offs. ...along 
with pretty much all engines designed before 1990



Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 8:29 AMvia Postbox 



Yes.

Most "modern" engines are now roller tappet, meaning the
friction face of the tappet is, in fact a rolling cylinder, on bearings
or bushings. In a flat tappet engine, the only protection the
hardened face of the camshaft has is the oil film.

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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Thnks.

Wilt

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Happy Birthday Wilton
May You have Many More

Russ

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'Found the check for mounting:  26 May 2010!  Yep, time does go fast - 
'nother birthday tomorrow, too!


Wilton





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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

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I don't know about the current models, but a few years back I seriously 
considered the Ford Escape as a lower end SUV vehicle for the wife.  It's a 
combo Mazda/Ford, and we have always had really good experiences with both.

Dan

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> On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  He went to the local Carmax and looked at a variety of SUVs.  He 
> rated them all on a list (how organized is that?) and liked the Hunda CRV the 
> best, but also liked the Nissan Pathfinder which is a bit larger and a bit 
> more $$.  I was suggesting the Nissan, just for the larger mass and safety.  
> I saw a CRV yesterday morning, never paid much attention to them, it was nice 
> but looked small.  He looked at the hundays too, was not totally impressed 
> compared to the others.  I recall renting one some years ago, thought it was 
> OK too.  He also liked some Fords, interesting.
> 
> I'm going to look at some of them around here, try to find a suthrun car (a 
> lot of them seem to be from NY for some reason, leases or rentals) to avoid 
> the road salt issue.  He will get his financing organized so we can pull the 
> trigger when I find something, he can come here and get it.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
>> On 6/10/16 9:37 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Rich inquires:
>> 
>>> The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
>>> given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
>>> car.
>>> Thoughts?
>> I recently rented a Jeep Compass, and a Hyundai Santa Fe.
>> 
>> The Jeep was uncomfortable on a long trip.
>> 
>> The Hyundai was an exceptionally good appliance.
>> Quite comfortable. Great fuel mileage. I would
>> recommend it, if one is looking for a smaller SUV
>> type appliance.
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

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Curt replied:

>I'm surprised Rick hated the Compass

I didn't hate it. The Sante Fe had an adjustable
lumbar support, which made it WAY more pleasant 
to drive for 14 hours. 
Both cars were "twitchy", meaning they have fast steering ratios. 
The Jeep had superior electronics, streaming bluetooth 
in that car was very easy and worked exceptionally well.
The Hyundai was a little buggy, in that regard.

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Re: [MBZ] Water leak fixed

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Did you see this link?

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM


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On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
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> I couldn't see any
>
> --JC
>
>
> On 6/8/16 10:35 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiosity, could you only see the pix in that folder, or did
>> your also see the pix of me dressed in the banana suit?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We drove a Nissan Xterra when we were shopping 2 years ago, I liked it a lot 
but ended up figuring the utility of a pickup was worth it. The Xterra has real 
offroad cred too.
A friend had a second gen Kia Sportage that was quite a nice car.
I'm surprised Rick hated the Compass, I had one as a rental once (might have 
been a Patriot, same car) and thought it was a pretty good car. It was just a 
car though...
Honestly very few people really need an SUV, with all the airbags and side 
impact protection etc, even a cheap hootpy is pretty safe these days. Gone are 
the days of cars that just fold up and kill the occupants in an accident. The 
cars still fold up but the point is to absorb the impact in the car rather than 
the passengers.
-Curt
  From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
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Cc: Joel Cairo 
 Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise
   
Thanks.  He went to the local Carmax and looked at a variety of SUVs.  
He rated them all on a list (how organized is that?) and liked the Hunda 
CRV the best, but also liked the Nissan Pathfinder which is a bit larger 
and a bit more $$.  I was suggesting the Nissan, just for the larger 
mass and safety.  I saw a CRV yesterday morning, never paid much 
attention to them, it was nice but looked small.  He looked at the 
hundays too, was not totally impressed compared to the others.  I recall 
renting one some years ago, thought it was OK too.  He also liked some 
Fords, interesting.

I'm going to look at some of them around here, try to find a suthrun car 
(a lot of them seem to be from NY for some reason, leases or rentals) to 
avoid the road salt issue.  He will get his financing organized so we 
can pull the trigger when I find something, he can come here and get it.

--R


On 6/10/16 9:37 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Rich inquires:
>
>> The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
>> given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
>> car.
>> Thoughts?
> I recently rented a Jeep Compass, and a Hyundai Santa Fe.
>
> The Jeep was uncomfortable on a long trip.
>
> The Hyundai was an exceptionally good appliance.
> Quite comfortable. Great fuel mileage. I would
> recommend it, if one is looking for a smaller SUV
> type appliance.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The CVT is just a snowmobile transmission, I had a Nissan Juke with one and it 
drove just like a snowmobile. I looked it up, belt drive...
I suspect the belt would be the limiting factor and a lot of stop and go 
driving would burn the belt. *Should* be easy to replace, probably isn't though.
-Curt

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 Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise
   
I think the Nissan's have a CVT, which has a very poor history of quality
problems.  Avoid the CVT if you can.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  He went to the local Carmax and looked at a variety of SUVs.  He
> rated them all on a list (how organized is that?) and liked the Hunda CRV
> the best, but also liked the Nissan Pathfinder which is a bit larger and a
> bit more $$.  I was suggesting the Nissan, just for the larger mass and
> safety.  I saw a CRV yesterday morning, never paid much attention to them,
> it was nice but looked small.  He looked at the hundays too, was not
> totally impressed compared to the others.  I recall renting one some years
> ago, thought it was OK too.  He also liked some Fords, interesting.
>
> I'm going to look at some of them around here, try to find a suthrun car
> (a lot of them seem to be from NY for some reason, leases or rentals) to
> avoid the road salt issue.  He will get his financing organized so we can
> pull the trigger when I find something, he can come here and get it.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 6/10/16 9:37 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Rich inquires:
>>
>> The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
>>> given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
>>> car.
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>> I recently rented a Jeep Compass, and a Hyundai Santa Fe.
>>
>> The Jeep was uncomfortable on a long trip.
>>
>> The Hyundai was an exceptionally good appliance.
>> Quite comfortable. Great fuel mileage. I would
>> recommend it, if one is looking for a smaller SUV
>> type appliance.
>>
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I think the Nissan's have a CVT, which has a very poor history of quality
problems.  Avoid the CVT if you can.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  He went to the local Carmax and looked at a variety of SUVs.  He
> rated them all on a list (how organized is that?) and liked the Hunda CRV
> the best, but also liked the Nissan Pathfinder which is a bit larger and a
> bit more $$.  I was suggesting the Nissan, just for the larger mass and
> safety.  I saw a CRV yesterday morning, never paid much attention to them,
> it was nice but looked small.  He looked at the hundays too, was not
> totally impressed compared to the others.  I recall renting one some years
> ago, thought it was OK too.  He also liked some Fords, interesting.
>
> I'm going to look at some of them around here, try to find a suthrun car
> (a lot of them seem to be from NY for some reason, leases or rentals) to
> avoid the road salt issue.  He will get his financing organized so we can
> pull the trigger when I find something, he can come here and get it.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 6/10/16 9:37 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Rich inquires:
>>
>> The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
>>> given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
>>> car.
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>> I recently rented a Jeep Compass, and a Hyundai Santa Fe.
>>
>> The Jeep was uncomfortable on a long trip.
>>
>> The Hyundai was an exceptionally good appliance.
>> Quite comfortable. Great fuel mileage. I would
>> recommend it, if one is looking for a smaller SUV
>> type appliance.
>>
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Craig,

They are one of the few places that I regularly will take our cars for work
that I can't or don't want to do myself.  Absolutely the best customer
service (honest, up-front with all the options, always offer choices to
save money, very few mistakes in 16 years).

However, I will not buy new tires locally until the price difference vs.
online goes down.  I'll take them the tires for installation and for an
alignment, but they'll only get that part of the work.  Their selection is
also rather limited.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Jun 2016 18:45:42 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > When I picked up the tire, the tech said he had removed the tire,
> > cleaned rim, cleaned a barcode from the bead of the tire in the area
> > that I had observed the leak, and no more leak when he put it back
> > together.  No charge!
>
> Now that´s a good shop!
>
> Keep them in mind when you need to buy tires.
>
>
> Craig
>
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[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Thanks.  He went to the local Carmax and looked at a variety of SUVs.  
He rated them all on a list (how organized is that?) and liked the Hunda 
CRV the best, but also liked the Nissan Pathfinder which is a bit larger 
and a bit more $$.  I was suggesting the Nissan, just for the larger 
mass and safety.  I saw a CRV yesterday morning, never paid much 
attention to them, it was nice but looked small.  He looked at the 
hundays too, was not totally impressed compared to the others.  I recall 
renting one some years ago, thought it was OK too.  He also liked some 
Fords, interesting.


I'm going to look at some of them around here, try to find a suthrun car 
(a lot of them seem to be from NY for some reason, leases or rentals) to 
avoid the road salt issue.  He will get his financing organized so we 
can pull the trigger when I find something, he can come here and get it.


--R


On 6/10/16 9:37 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Rich inquires:


The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
car.
Thoughts?

I recently rented a Jeep Compass, and a Hyundai Santa Fe.

The Jeep was uncomfortable on a long trip.

The Hyundai was an exceptionally good appliance.
Quite comfortable. Great fuel mileage. I would
recommend it, if one is looking for a smaller SUV
type appliance.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT knead sum advise

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Rich inquires:

>The boy wants a "new" car.  I'm thinking a small-mid-sized SUV A/4WD
>given he is in a northern climate and it would be roomier than a little
>car. 

>Thoughts? 

I recently rented a Jeep Compass, and a Hyundai Santa Fe.

The Jeep was uncomfortable on a long trip.

The Hyundai was an exceptionally good appliance.
Quite comfortable. Great fuel mileage. I would 
recommend it, if one is looking for a smaller SUV
type appliance.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Question about zinc oil additive.

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Curley inquires:

>Would OM60x engines be considered flat tappet? 

Yes.

Most "modern" engines are now roller tappet, meaning the
friction face of the tappet is, in fact a rolling cylinder, on bearings
or bushings. In a flat tappet engine, the only protection the 
hardened face of the camshaft has is the oil film.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Wow - who knew.  Certainly not I.

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> Andy sez:
>
> >NSFW?
>
> Not Safe For Work.
>
> A link not to be opened and viewed on a screen at work, where your
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> could look over your shoulder and see it.
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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Andy sez:

>NSFW?

Not Safe For Work.

A link not to be opened and viewed on a screen at work, where your
web surfing can be monitored, or someone who could be offended
could look over your shoulder and see it.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Question about zinc oil additive.

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

From: Mercedes  on behalf of jerryh--- via 
Mercedes 

>1. Was zinc phased out of motor oil, and , if so, when was it eliminated?

Reduced. No clue. Probably 2007

>2. Was it reduced/eliminated from diesel rated oil?

Reduced

>3. Is there a way to know from the writing on the can how much zinc it 
>contains?

No. 

>4. Is there a way to determine from markings on the can the age of a given can 
>of oil?

Rating. Older oil will have a different grade than current oil. Dollar General
or some such store was in some hoopla over selling oil rated for cars built 
before
1988.

>5. Does canned/bottled engine oil have a shelf life?

Probably

>6. Should a container of older motor oil be shaken to mix the ingredients 
>before being poured?

Couldn't hurt

>7. Would cans of "STP" additive from the seventies and eighties contain zinc?

No.

>8. Is the "zinc" issue one I even  need to be concerned about?

Yes.

>9. Would an old (70's era) can of racing motor oil contain a greater amount of 
>zinc?

Yes. So do current racing oils

>!0. Might this topic have already been discussed in a previous thread?

Years ago. I would assume any credible oil manufacturer will be able 
to provide ZDDP information on their website(s).

https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-specs-guide-2016.pdf

www.opelclub.com/ZDDP2.pdf

I imagine there are discussions over at Bobistheoilguy.com

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

NSFW?

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Russ Williams via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Happy Birthday Wilton
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> On Thu,6/9/16 08:18, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
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>> 'Found the check for mounting:  26 May 2010!  Yep, time does go fast -
>> 'nother birthday tomorrow, too!
>>
>> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Front left ball joint - install

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I've not yet done ball joints on a 123.  the shape is similar to a 126.  
on the 126, you can whack the ball joint out with a MFH (2-4 lb hammer)  
On the 126, you have to take off the caliper, the hub, the disk rotor, 
and UCA to free the wheel carrier.  then you put the carrier in a vise, 
knock out the old ball joint and use the MB special tool to press in the 
new one.  Because it goes in at an angle, the MB special tool makes it 
easy.  If you can get the front end up high enough (like on a lift) you 
can beat out the old BJ on the car.  in that case, you could probably 
use a BFH, (10 lb) but it is probably a 2 person operation. (one to hold 
the drift pin or ball peen hammer.)  On the 126, I was able to borrow 
the special tool from Q, and that made the installation slick and easy.


When you have the carrier loose, it may be better/easier/cheaper than 
buying or making a special tool to take it to a front end shop and let 
them press in the new ball joints.  I've done that for ball joints, 
wheel bearings, the 124 LCA outer bushing etc.



Michael Esh via Mercedes 
June 10, 2016 at 7:49 AMvia Postbox 


Thanks Joel.

Michael Esh
231-894-5505



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Re: [MBZ] Question about zinc oil additive.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't think so, hydraulic lifters and all...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Question about zinc oil additive.
   
Would OM60x engines be considered flat tappet?  the top of the surface the cam 
rides on is flat.  On the OM 621, 616 and 617 there is a curved follower


   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  June 10, 2016 at 7:17 AM via Postbox  Well 
debated all across the interwebs, lots of reading there.
In short: ZDDP Zinc-dialkyl-dithiophosphate, has been reduced (not eliminated) 
from most (not all) motor oils to keep it from clogging catalytic converters. 
This started around (from memory) 2010 so oil before that should have higher 
ZDDP levels.
The engines this most seems to affect are flat tappet cams where the ZDDP 
creates a friction barrier. Most diesel oils have relatively high ZDDP levels 
but AFAIK this shouldn't really have any effect on at least the 123 and later 
cars anyway.If you're really worried about it Amsoil sells a whole line of high 
ZDDP oil for performance engines.
-Curt

 From: jerryh--- via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: jer...@san.rr.com
 Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 12:08 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Question about zinc oil additive.
 


It is my understanding that the EPA at some point  mandated that  a mixture of 
zinc and phosphorus known as  ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithio Phosphate) be reduced 
or  eliminated as an additive from  motor oils because it is damaging to 
catalytic converters. I am interested in this issue because I have older cars 
(1960 Olds 1991 Volvo) with the original gasoline engines, and I have a number 
of older quarts of motor oil. I have a couple of questions about this:

1. Was zinc phased out of motor oil, and , if so, when was it eliminated?

2. Was it reduced/eliminated from diesel rated oil?

3. Is there a way to know from the writing on the can how much zinc it contains?

4. Is there a way to determine from markings on the can the age of a given can 
of oil?

5. Does canned/bottled engine oil have a shelf life?

6. Should a container of older motor oil be shaken to mix the ingredients 
before being poured?

7. Would cans of "STP" additive from the seventies and eighties contain zinc?

8. Is the "zinc" issue one I even  need to be concerned about?

9. Would an old (70's era) can of racing motor oil contain a greater amount of 
zinc?

!0. Might this topic have already been discussed in a previous thread?

Jerry

82 240D
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   jerryh--- via Mercedes  June 9, 2016 at 11:08 PM via Postbox  
It is my understanding that the EPA at some point mandated that a mixture of 
zinc and phosphorus known as ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithio Phosphate) be reduced or 
eliminated as an additive from motor oils because it is damaging to catalytic 
converters. I am interested in this issue because I have older cars (1960 Olds 
1991 Volvo) with the original gasoline engines, and I have a number of older 
quarts of motor oil. I have a couple of questions about this:

1. Was zinc phased out of motor oil, and , if so, when was it eliminated?

2. Was it reduced/eliminated from diesel rated oil?

3. Is there a way to know from the writing on the can how much zinc it contains?

4. Is there a way to determine from markings on the can the age of a given can 
of oil?

5. Does canned/bottled engine oil have a shelf life?

6. Should a container of older motor oil be shaken to mix the ingredients 
before being poured?

7. Would cans of "STP" additive from the seventies and eighties contain zinc?

8. Is the "zinc" issue one I even need to be concerned about?

9. Would an old (70's era) can of racing motor oil contain a greater amount of 
zinc?

!0. Might this topic have already been discussed in a previous thread?

Jerry

82 240D
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Re: [MBZ] Front left ball joint - install

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

By "arm" I mean the steering knuckle the BJ is pressed into.

--JC


On 6/10/16 8:49 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks Joel.

Michael Esh
231-894-5505



On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
wrote:

When I had my TD done years ago, the old mech put the round end of a ball peen 
hammer on the bottom of the BJ (arm clamped in a big vise) and whacked it a 
coupla times with another BFH, which popped it right out. Crude but effective.  
On the SD I think the mech had some kind of press, or maybe whacked it too, I 
don't remember.

On both the cars the mech used the proper MB press to slide in the new BJs.  On 
the TD, Rusty had sent me some crap POS, the flange broke when he was trying to 
press it in.  Then he replaced it with a Lemforder and it pressed right in 
easypeasy.  Others have bodged up a press using a generic HF press but there is 
a bit of an angle that makes the MB press easier to use.

--JC



On 6/10/16 7:52 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:
Can someone share or point me to a write up on the removal and installation of 
the drivers side lower ball joint on a 1985 300D?
I'm  trying out a new mechanic, the old one had a couple of strokes over the 
last year and his kids are fighting over who and how to run the business. Not 
going well at this time.

I ended buying the new Lemforder ball joint from  AutohausAZ for 32.36 
including shipping. The only downside is it has taken 6 days to get it.
Thanks in advance,
Mike

Michael Esh
231-894-5505


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