Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Attaboy!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR

Sent from my cell   

> On Dec 3, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Had to move some furniture over to the house from the MIL’s this morning, 
> which took pretty much all morning.
> 
> Got home and installed the new right rear taillight lens and seal.  Easy 
> peasey.
> 
> Rolled the car out of the garage and ran it long enough to turn around and 
> pull into the garage nose first.  Popped the hood and changed out the 
> composite washer on the fuel filter bolt for the copper crush washer from the 
> dealer.  Went inside to do some other stuff.
> 
> Came back out about an hour later and pulled the valve cover.  Found another 
> broken rubber mount on the air cleaner, which I suspected as it was vibrating 
> more than I expected, and also noticed that the thermostat housing was 
> leaking at the joint between the cover and housing.  Not a surprise since the 
> thermostat seal was hard as a rock.  Something else to add to the Monday 
> morning parts order.
> 
> Got the valve cover off and started in on the valves with my regular 
> wrenches.  Dang it!  I wish I had kept the set of valve adjusting wrenches 
> that Russ Maki gave me when he sold his diesel. Poop.
> 
> So it’s off to Harbor Freight to drop $16 on a couple of sets of cheap Chinee 
> combination wrenches.  Stopped by the Ace to see if they had copper washers, 
> as the valve cover hold down studs/nuts had none, which explained why they 
> were leaking.  No joy there,, the majik drawers failed me.  Darn!
> 
> Got home, got out the torch and started heating.  Got a couple of 14mm 
> wrenches bent up close to correct and quenched them in a bucket of water.
> 
> Went back to the engine and found these did the trick. Not as nice as the 
> real thing, but definitely better than straight combination wrenches.  As 
> with other fasteners on the car, gorillas must have done the last valve 
> adjustment. Ugh.  All of the valves were really, really tight.  I doubt it 
> had been adjusted for a lot of miles based on what I found.  Valve cover 
> looked nice and clean, and the head looked good as far as a lack of crud.
> 
> Back rubber bumper on the air cleaner had sheared off.  Only the metal disc 
> and the cup were still there, and they weren’t budging.  I filled the cup 
> with Kroil and shot some underneath to hit the exposed threads.  Went back to 
> doing some other things and returned with a pair of channelocks about five 
> minutes later.  Remains of the bumper turned right out!  Kroil is magical 
> stuff, for sure.
> 
> Got everything buttoned back up and took it for a short test drive.  Found 
> that the copper crush washer on the fuel filter bolt seeps.  Dang it!
> 
> Kaleb!  Find me an 02 fuel filter housing, please! The later one with the two 
> O-rings on the hollow bolt.
> 
> With the filter seeping, the thermostat cover seeping and no washers on the 
> valve cover nuts/studs, I’m not going to drive it until I get everything to 
> seal it up well.  Despite the minor issues it runs well, even better than it 
> did.  I was surprised as I didn’t think a valve adjustment would make that 
> much difference.
> 
> Time to hit the shower and then let my back rest.  Hanging over that engine 
> adjusting valves is a real pain in the back…
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: OT Insurance

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Building and Zoning - what's that? We just do it here in the wild west . . .

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Question:  How did the owner of that garage get Building and Zoning to
> approve that structure?
> Inquiring minds want to know... Here, it would require a set of plans with
> Registered Civil Engineer stamp.
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes
> > My neighbors would love that garage. bigger than my whole lot.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > 1982 300CD
> > 2005 E320 4 matic
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2016 12:19 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > More proof that we were already the Greatest Country on Earth before
> > > someone claimed he would make us great (again).
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just put up a garage.
> > > > They aren't very expensive.
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[MBZ] AAA

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

After nearly 30 years of driving, after the blown up diff fiasco I 
finally took the plunge and signed up for the top level AAA membership 
which includes 5 tows per year, one of which can be 200 miles, rest are 
100 miles. I added my wife on as well for a total of 10.



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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Had to move some furniture over to the house from the MIL’s this morning, which 
took pretty much all morning.

Got home and installed the new right rear taillight lens and seal.  Easy peasey.

Rolled the car out of the garage and ran it long enough to turn around and pull 
into the garage nose first.  Popped the hood and changed out the composite 
washer on the fuel filter bolt for the copper crush washer from the dealer.  
Went inside to do some other stuff.

Came back out about an hour later and pulled the valve cover.  Found another 
broken rubber mount on the air cleaner, which I suspected as it was vibrating 
more than I expected, and also noticed that the thermostat housing was leaking 
at the joint between the cover and housing.  Not a surprise since the 
thermostat seal was hard as a rock.  Something else to add to the Monday 
morning parts order.

Got the valve cover off and started in on the valves with my regular wrenches.  
Dang it!  I wish I had kept the set of valve adjusting wrenches that Russ Maki 
gave me when he sold his diesel. Poop.

So it’s off to Harbor Freight to drop $16 on a couple of sets of cheap Chinee 
combination wrenches.  Stopped by the Ace to see if they had copper washers, as 
the valve cover hold down studs/nuts had none, which explained why they were 
leaking.  No joy there,, the majik drawers failed me.  Darn!

Got home, got out the torch and started heating.  Got a couple of 14mm wrenches 
bent up close to correct and quenched them in a bucket of water.

Went back to the engine and found these did the trick. Not as nice as the real 
thing, but definitely better than straight combination wrenches.  As with other 
fasteners on the car, gorillas must have done the last valve adjustment. Ugh.  
All of the valves were really, really tight.  I doubt it had been adjusted for 
a lot of miles based on what I found.  Valve cover looked nice and clean, and 
the head looked good as far as a lack of crud.

Back rubber bumper on the air cleaner had sheared off.  Only the metal disc and 
the cup were still there, and they weren’t budging.  I filled the cup with 
Kroil and shot some underneath to hit the exposed threads.  Went back to doing 
some other things and returned with a pair of channelocks about five minutes 
later.  Remains of the bumper turned right out!  Kroil is magical stuff, for 
sure.

Got everything buttoned back up and took it for a short test drive.  Found that 
the copper crush washer on the fuel filter bolt seeps.  Dang it!

Kaleb!  Find me an 02 fuel filter housing, please! The later one with the two 
O-rings on the hollow bolt.

With the filter seeping, the thermostat cover seeping and no washers on the 
valve cover nuts/studs, I’m not going to drive it until I get everything to 
seal it up well.  Despite the minor issues it runs well, even better than it 
did.  I was surprised as I didn’t think a valve adjustment would make that much 
difference.

Time to hit the shower and then let my back rest.  Hanging over that engine 
adjusting valves is a real pain in the back…

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: OT Insurance

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

"here" being PRC or AZ.   In PRC, you can't take a wiz without a permit 
($$$) from some goober.



G Mann via Mercedes 
December 3, 2016 at 5:14 PM
Question: How did the owner of that garage get Building and Zoning to
approve that structure?
Inquiring minds want to know... Here, it would require a set of plans with
Registered Civil Engineer stamp.



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Re: [MBZ] Please don't waist my time

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sounds like a first class jerk.

On Dec 3, 2016 3:07 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Because his time is too valuable to be waisted messing with a camera and
> computer.
>
> Mitch
>
> > On December 3, 2016 at 2:44 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > If it is so great why only 2 photos?
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: OT Insurance

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Question:  How did the owner of that garage get Building and Zoning to
approve that structure?
Inquiring minds want to know... Here, it would require a set of plans with
Registered Civil Engineer stamp.

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes
> My neighbors would love that garage. bigger than my whole lot.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 2005 E320 4 matic
> Wickford RI
>
> On Dec 3, 2016 12:19 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > More proof that we were already the Greatest Country on Earth before
> > someone claimed he would make us great (again).
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just put up a garage.
> > > They aren't very expensive.
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Re: [MBZ] Brake Pads

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Post 123 are easier than earlier cars.

Curt

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  On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes wrote:   I can do pads on my driveway so it 
can't be all that challenging.

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I don’t cheap out on stuff like brakes, but in this case the boy
> sourced them.  I gave him the requisite warning but he’s an adult now, so
> he knows better, of course.
>
> Akebonos for me.  Shop around and you can find some good deals on them.  I
> got a full set (both axles) for the SL500 from Amazon, as they had the best
> price.
>
> You can get Jurids or Pagids for probably around $40/axle, maybe even from
> the dealer, but you get the dust.
>
> No rocket science here, just drive the pins out, compress the pistons with
> a set of channelocks or vice grips using the old pads, blow or rinse
> everything off well, grease the edges of the new pads and use the majik MB
> antisqueal brake paste on the backs of the pads, slip them in with a set of
> new wear sensors, drive the pins back in and button up.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> > On Dec 3, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, no being chintzy on brake parts.
> > Now, having never done the brakes on anything newer than a W123, is there
> > any operating experience anyone can pass along regarding doing brakes on
> a
> > W210?
> >
> > Donkey Shirts.
> >
> > Bob R
>
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[MBZ] NYC uses MBs as Police cars

[OK Don via Mercedes]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/nyregion/expanding-smart-car-fleet-new-york-police-just-got-more-adorable.html?_r=0

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Re: [MBZ] Other parts on parts.com [was: Re: W123 OE Taillight]

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

What we have here, is FAILURE of Max to read curly's email...
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'95 E300

On December 3, 2016 1:21:46 AM EST, Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 00:10:46 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> What we have here, is FAILURE to scroll all the way down Craig's
>> email
>
>I was looking at new parts on parts.com. Curley is suggesting I look
>for
>used parts on car-part.com, which should be much cheaper.
>
>
>> Sale prices are a little higher, over $1400...  per trailing arm.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On December 2, 2016 9:37:04 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> >Try car-part.com  Probably you can get one there for about $25 +
>> >shipping.
>> >
>> >> Craig via Mercedes 
>> >> December 2, 2016 at 7:29 PM
>> >> On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 19:48:57 -0500 Dan--- via Mercedes
>> >>
>> >> Dan, you inspired me to look on parts.com for a replacement for
>the
>> >rear
>> >> trailing arm that broke on our 240D/3.0. I found them!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>>
>>https://parts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.PartInfo=1263503305=90668=579178%3D-LOWER-CNTRL-ARM
>> >>
>> >> Genuine Factory Mercedes-Benz OEM Part - 1984 Mercedes-Benz 300D
>> >> - Base L5 3.0 Liter DIESEL Lower cntrl arm- Rear Suspension -
>> >> CONTROL ARM 1263503305
>> >> MSRP: $1,990.00
>> >> Sale Price: $1,404.20
>> >> --
>> >>
>>
>>https://parts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.PartInfo=1263503205=90668=579178%3D-LOWER-CNTRL-ARM
>> >>
>> >> Genuine Factory Mercedes-Benz OEM Part - 1984 Mercedes-Benz 300D
>> >> - Base L5 3.0 Liter DIESEL Lower cntrl arm- Rear Suspension -
>> >> CONTROL ARM 1263503205
>> >> MSRP $2,020.00
>> >> Sale Price: $1,427.80
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think I won't be buying them from parts.com ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Craig
>
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[MBZ] Antilock warning light

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Anti-lock yellow light came on in the 300D the other day, changed the  
master cylinder today because I was having to pump up the brakes -- it  
has 400,000 miles or so on it.  Used the one from the wrecked car.


Anyway, the anti-lock light comes on when the car moves, so I assume I  
have a bad wheel sensor.  Any reasonable way to tell which one?


Peter

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[MBZ] Nice photo set

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Maybe one of these is like Dan's former W123?

http://www.flickriver.com/groups/1494567@N20/pool/random/

mao

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Re: [MBZ] Please don't waist my time

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Because his time is too valuable to be waisted messing with a camera and
computer.

Mitch

> On December 3, 2016 at 2:44 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> If it is so great why only 2 photos?

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[MBZ] Transmission function

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Yes... each of us have already seen this, years ago, but... it is fun.

https://biggeekdad.com/2010/11/turbo-encabulator/#.WDI2XJVAfy8.email

mao

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Re: [MBZ] Please don't waist my time

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If it is so great why only 2 photos?

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> On Dec 3, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Daniel Penoff via Mercedes 
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> 
> Right in my neighborhood.  Price might be a little optimistic, but it looks 
> nice.
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5903817887.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Please don't waist my time

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, if the evapectomy is done, that should add $3000 or so to the 
value.  At a stealer, the evapectomy would probably run close to his 
selling price, and then the monkey would probably screw up some things 
in assembly.  (ACC, wiring,... )


the waist vs waste could be autocorrect gone wild.

Daniel Penoff via Mercedes 
December 3, 2016 at 12:43 PM
Right in my neighborhood. Price might be a little optimistic, but it 
looks nice.


http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5903817887.html

Dan
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[MBZ] Please don't waist my time

[Daniel Penoff via Mercedes]

Right in my neighborhood.  Price might be a little optimistic, but it looks 
nice.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5903817887.html

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: OT Insurance

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes
My neighbors would love that garage. bigger than my whole lot.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4 matic
Wickford RI

On Dec 3, 2016 12:19 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> More proof that we were already the Greatest Country on Earth before
> someone claimed he would make us great (again).
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
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Re: [MBZ] Brake Pads

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I can do pads on my driveway so it can't be all that challenging.

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I don’t cheap out on stuff like brakes, but in this case the boy
> sourced them.  I gave him the requisite warning but he’s an adult now, so
> he knows better, of course.
>
> Akebonos for me.  Shop around and you can find some good deals on them.  I
> got a full set (both axles) for the SL500 from Amazon, as they had the best
> price.
>
> You can get Jurids or Pagids for probably around $40/axle, maybe even from
> the dealer, but you get the dust.
>
> No rocket science here, just drive the pins out, compress the pistons with
> a set of channelocks or vice grips using the old pads, blow or rinse
> everything off well, grease the edges of the new pads and use the majik MB
> antisqueal brake paste on the backs of the pads, slip them in with a set of
> new wear sensors, drive the pins back in and button up.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> > On Dec 3, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, no being chintzy on brake parts.
> > Now, having never done the brakes on anything newer than a W123, is there
> > any operating experience anyone can pass along regarding doing brakes on
> a
> > W210?
> >
> > Donkey Shirts.
> >
> > Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: OT Insurance

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

More proof that we were already the Greatest Country on Earth before
someone claimed he would make us great (again).

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> They aren't very expensive.
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Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to save this Oh Jamie!

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It might just need some TLC

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> Eh, looks like a disaster.
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>
> > It is NOT green
> >
> > http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/5836156680.html
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Re: [MBZ] Brake Pads

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I don’t cheap out on stuff like brakes, but in this case the boy sourced 
them.  I gave him the requisite warning but he’s an adult now, so he knows 
better, of course.

Akebonos for me.  Shop around and you can find some good deals on them.  I got 
a full set (both axles) for the SL500 from Amazon, as they had the best price.

You can get Jurids or Pagids for probably around $40/axle, maybe even from the 
dealer, but you get the dust.

No rocket science here, just drive the pins out, compress the pistons with a 
set of channelocks or vice grips using the old pads, blow or rinse everything 
off well, grease the edges of the new pads and use the majik MB antisqueal 
brake paste on the backs of the pads, slip them in with a set of new wear 
sensors, drive the pins back in and button up.

Dan



> On Dec 3, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, no being chintzy on brake parts.
> Now, having never done the brakes on anything newer than a W123, is there
> any operating experience anyone can pass along regarding doing brakes on a
> W210?
> 
> Donkey Shirts.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No plane, Manfred, eye in the sky.

I did some checking and that’s LandSat 8 imagery.  Roughly 570 miles up.

Dan


> On Dec 3, 2016, at 8:04 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yep. That's the place alright. I was drilling holes in the beams so that I 
> could put rebar through them to lift and plant them in the concrete. I 
> remember hearing the plane fly over and stood up to look at it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I simply don't know how to respond

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh my lord, they seem to have ruined a very valuable car. What do those go for 
when not hacked up like this one? 

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> On Dec 3, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/5902453770.html
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[MBZ] I simply don't know how to respond

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/5902453770.html

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] W123 OE Taillight

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Lens was drop shipped from Lokey MB to me in the MB box, still sealed with the 
foil hologram stickers.  I was stunned when I saw it because I immediately knew 
it was an OE lens.  I’m tempted to check with my dealer parts guy to see what’s 
up.  I guess it could be distressed inventory, especially if it’s too old for 
stock rotation. However, by the time you factor in the profit for both the 
seller and the dealer, the cost couldn’t be more than about $30.

If I wasn’t cutting back a bit on expenditures right now I would buy the left 
one so I have a matching set of new lenses.  Maybe after the holidays if it’s 
still there.

Dan


> On Dec 3, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They appear to be legit prices...  I'm curious to see what I can get them
> for.  I might have a buy a few sets!
> 
> These are exactly the kind of thing that will be $500 each (like W126
> tails) in a few years.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: OT Insurance

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Jetta is exhausting

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> On December 3, 2016 at 9:40 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> My buddy had a Citation back in graduate school -- rusted like crazy.   
> Biggest problems were the standard GM "cheap it till it hurts and take  
> off 10%" stuff, bad plastic, instrument clusters that fell apart, poor  
> quality parts that fail too soon.

I drove pizzas in mine, got in it 50-100x a day tracking salty slush in the
winter, replaced the driver side floor with plywood around 1987 or so. No other
rust worth mentioning, in ten years in Michigan, which is a lot more than I can
say for my 1975 Honda or my 1977 Saab. Passenger side of the floor was mint when
I pulled the carpet and front seat out to bolt the plywood in. My fuel gauge
died around 180k, but for the first six months it would come back briefly if I
pounded my fist on the dash. After that I just gassed it up every 300 miles
without fail. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to save this Oh Jamie!

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Eh, looks like a disaster.

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> It is NOT green
>
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Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to save this Oh Jamie!

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have seen this car for sale before. I don't know if it's the same seller or 
somebody else bought it and is selling it. It seems higher this time than last 
time. 

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> On Dec 3, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I saw one of those in a high-end used car shop in Lexington MA once that not 
> too old, if I recall it was priced close to $60k at the time?  Would that be 
> about right?  It was a lot, however much it was.  That car would probably be 
> worth it, Kleb could go get it.
> 
> --R
> 
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 OE Taillight

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That is surprising since the 126 was produced much longer than the 123

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> On Dec 3, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They appear to be legit prices...  I'm curious to see what I can get them
> for.  I might have a buy a few sets!
> 
> These are exactly the kind of thing that will be $500 each (like W126
> tails) in a few years.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Lens.
>> 
>> 123 820 32 66 about $150 list.
>> 
>> http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/__/LENS/7427753/1238203266.html
>> 
>> I paid $69.00.
>> 
>> Oh my gosh, they only want $48.00 for the left lens!
>> 
>> https://parts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.sectionSearch=2;
>> vehicleid=90668=ELECTRICAL=REAR%20LAMPS&
>> subgroup=TAIL%20LAMPS=Lens=Mercedes-Benz
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is it just the lens or the entire tail light?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 2, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
 
 Got the taillight from Parts.com tonight.
 
 Mercedes box with the little silver hologram deals on it. Open it up,
>> it's the real deal!
 
 Not bad. A $150 factory part for $68.00.  Somebody must have screwed up
>> somewhere
 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Green

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Yes. Is anybody near it that can check it out for me?

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> On Dec 2, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
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> Are you drooling yet?
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Oh my god that is an extremely rare interior color. Holy crap.
>> 
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>> > On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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>> > All it takes is a few turns of a transmission adjustment wrench to cure
>> > those shifting irregularities.
>> >
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>> >
>> >> You know you want it Kaleb.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/172429484074?redirect=mobile
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Jetta is exhausting

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

My buddy had a Citation back in graduate school -- rusted like crazy.   
Biggest problems were the standard GM "cheap it till it hurts and take  
off 10%" stuff, bad plastic, instrument clusters that fell apart, poor  
quality parts that fail too soon.


Not a bad design as cars go, just executed in GM fashion.  Would have  
been a better car if designed by an integrated team and built with  
good parts


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I will beg to differ with you.  It will rapidly oxidize in, say, a large 
balloon to which a length of jetex fuse has been attached, thence the 
whole affair released to float into the sky.


Not that I have any direct experience in that regard... nor in the 
reactionary home production of H->2 using commonly available household 
items...


--FT


On 12/2/16 4:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

H is not "explosive"  It does, however, burn rapidly.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 2:52 PM
This is the non--explosive isotope of H2, distilled in Norway from ultra
pure fjord waters.

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 2:43 PM
These guys are apparently gonna put up sun catchers and make the 
basic matter of the universe from water or something.  I'm not sure 
of the whackonomics of that, and hauling H->2 around the country to 
truck stops, and putting in big Dewars everywhere the trucks might 
want to go.  I wonder if they will use the H->2 trucks to haul the 
H->2?  But I like their thinking.


And Hindenberg

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Curley McLain 
December 2, 2016 at 2:25 PM
It is amply available all over the Earph.   It only takes a little 
electrojuicity to produce H.  Up to this point, anyone who has done 
that small scale has had a visit from MIB in scheawz burbans who tell 
them stop or else.   Jim was not intimidated.  Unfortunately the MIB 
paid off.  I have personally met and talked to 2 other people who 
were intimidated.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 2, 2016 at 1:40 PM
Yabbut where does all the hydrogen come from cheaply and dependably 
and in

enough quantity to make it work? Frack on federal land, break the H2
molecules off the natural gas? Imported from China? George Soros has cut
a side deal with Trump for importing H2 from Russia, as long as H-> 
stays

out Trumps bidness?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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December 2, 2016 at 1:34 PM
Jim Ettaro would be proud.  (RIP)  They may have silenced him, but 
they can't silence the economic viability of h 2 pow wer.





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Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to save this Oh Jamie!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I saw one of those in a high-end used car shop in Lexington MA once that 
not too old, if I recall it was priced close to $60k at the time?  Would 
that be about right?  It was a lot, however much it was.  That car would 
probably be worth it, Kleb could go get it.


--R

On 12/2/16 11:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

It is NOT green

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/5836156680.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Jetta is exhausting

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A straight pipe conversion is common on the Gen 3 Jetta. I'm not willing to 
invest that kind of money in a heap like mine. ;)
I had a Citation one summer. I got it for free for having done a "tune up" (new 
plugs) on it some time earlier. Mine was like an '82 or '83, had a terrible 
3spd slushbox that finally quit all over the road in front of my parent's 
house. The red stain was there for a long time. That car was awful but had 
lived under extremely challenging circumstances for 10 years or more. I did a 
"tune up" with all junkyard parts, redid all 4 brakes again with junkyard 
parts, drove it something like 10,000 miles on basically no money. I think I 
might have even used junkyard oil. The one thing I never touched was the 
transmission...
-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The Jetta is exhausting
   
My Citation had a pellet filled catalyst, which was a pretty effective muffler. 
When the muffler disappeared (I loaned the car to my brother for a day, he gave
it back with the parking brake on and the muffler knocked off), it wasn't
objectionably loud, so I paid a muffler shop $12 + 8 installation for a custom
straight pipe to replace the muffler and tail pipe. 
Went another 40,000 miles or so with just the converter for muffling. Got 38mpg
on a backroads commute, don't remember seeing mpg that high when it had a
muffler on it. 

It was a very early Citation 5 door, made Feb '79 I believe, went over 200,000
miles before I broke a shift fork and scrapped it in 1989, never had more cargo
space in a car until my S210 wagon. People say the FWD X body cars were junk,
but I beg to differ. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 OE Taillight

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

They appear to be legit prices...  I'm curious to see what I can get them
for.  I might have a buy a few sets!

These are exactly the kind of thing that will be $500 each (like W126
tails) in a few years.

Jaime


On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Lens.
>
> 123 820 32 66 about $150 list.
>
> http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/__/LENS/7427753/1238203266.html
>
> I paid $69.00.
>
> Oh my gosh, they only want $48.00 for the left lens!
>
> https://parts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.sectionSearch=2;
> vehicleid=90668=ELECTRICAL=REAR%20LAMPS&
> subgroup=TAIL%20LAMPS=Lens=Mercedes-Benz
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Dec 2, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is it just the lens or the entire tail light?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 2, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Got the taillight from Parts.com tonight.
> >>
> >> Mercedes box with the little silver hologram deals on it. Open it up,
> it's the real deal!
> >>
> >> Not bad. A $150 factory part for $68.00.  Somebody must have screwed up
> somewhere
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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

Yep. That's the place alright. I was drilling holes in the beams 
so that I could put rebar through them to lift and plant them in 
the concrete. I remember hearing the plane fly over and stood up 
to look at it.


Manfred


Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 18:45:57 -0700
From: Craig 

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 09:44:39 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

The Dome is right there to the west of the runway nearer to the 
north end then the south.


I saw that. It is very visible on the satellite picture.



If the picture you see has some long poles sitting near it on the edge
of the runway laying E-W then look real close at the E end of the poles
and you can see a shadow of me standing there.


Yup, as shown in the attached picture.


Craig
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 01:48:09 +
From: Rick Knoble 
To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal
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?Dan ponders :


?So I?m wondering how difficult replacing >the shaft seal on one of these could 
be.?


?Century Bob sez on the 10PA the seal goes in from behind, so the compressor 
has to be disassembled. He says that at about 1:14 in the second video. This 
guy is frickin' good.?

?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD5lLC5v6PE=em

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MangGmPZc6g=em

Rick

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:51:28 -0600
From: Peter Frederick 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal
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I've done two.

Clean the compressor very well, the last thing you want is grit in the  
seals.


Not a bad job.

Compressor has to come out, so replace all the o-rings including the  
four under the top plate.


The new seal will leak a little until it runs in completely, but I've  
never had an issue with them after that.


Peter



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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 21:06:07 -0500
From: Dan Penoff 
To: Mercedes List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal
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Thanks, Rick and Peter.

Just got done watching Bob?s videos on resealing.  Looks pretty straightforward 
and not difficult at all.  I ordered a resealing kit with the shaft protector 
on eBay for about $23 just now, so I?ll probably take this on next week.

Any reason why one couldn?t use compressor oil rather than mineral oil for 
reassembly?

Also, I assume there are charts somewhere that will give the amount of oil to 
fill the compressor with before reinstalling it?  I?ll do some Googling?.

Dan

 

On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I've done two.

Clean the compressor very well, the last thing you want is grit in the seals.

Not a bad job.

Compressor has to come out, so replace all the o-rings including the four under 
the top plate.

The new seal will leak a little until it runs in completely, but I've never had 
an issue with them after that.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Jetta is exhausting

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

My Citation had a pellet filled catalyst, which was a pretty effective muffler. 
When the muffler disappeared (I loaned the car to my brother for a day, he gave
it back with the parking brake on and the muffler knocked off), it wasn't
objectionably loud, so I paid a muffler shop $12 + 8 installation for a custom
straight pipe to replace the muffler and tail pipe. 
Went another 40,000 miles or so with just the converter for muffling. Got 38mpg
on a backroads commute, don't remember seeing mpg that high when it had a
muffler on it. 

It was a very early Citation 5 door, made Feb '79 I believe, went over 200,000
miles before I broke a shift fork and scrapped it in 1989, never had more cargo
space in a car until my S210 wagon. People say the FWD X body cars were junk,
but I beg to differ. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Brake Pads

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Yes, no being chintzy on brake parts.
Now, having never done the brakes on anything newer than a W123, is there
any operating experience anyone can pass along regarding doing brakes on a
W210?

Donkey Shirts.

Bob R



On Dec 2, 2016 1:05 PM, "Dwight Giles via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Well my father taught me years,ago never to go cheap on brake parts so I
> agree.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 2005 E320 4 matic
> Wickford RI
>
> On Dec 2, 2016 2:25 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes"  >
> wrote:
>
> > Akebono then, if you can afford the cost and they make pads for your car.
> > I've got them on all my cars now, love 'em!
> >
> > I've both put them on new rotors, and put them on used rotors, no issue.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm a fan of no dust
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] W123 OE Taillight

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

That’s a score!  I did the same when my rear bumper on the 2002 4Runner rusted 
through.  I went on line and some dealer in Arkansas had one in stock and 
wanted to get rid of it.  I think I paid $280 for the 3-piece bumper.

I’m going to look for some turn signal lenses.

Jon


> On Dec 2, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Lens.
> 
> 123 820 32 66 about $150 list.
> 
> http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/__/LENS/7427753/1238203266.html
> 
> I paid $69.00.
> 
> Oh my gosh, they only want $48.00 for the left lens!
> 
> https://parts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.sectionSearch=2=90668=ELECTRICAL=REAR%20LAMPS=TAIL%20LAMPS=Lens=Mercedes-Benz
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is it just the lens or the entire tail light?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Got the taillight from Parts.com tonight.
>>> 
>>> Mercedes box with the little silver hologram deals on it. Open it up, it's 
>>> the real deal!
>>> 
>>> Not bad. A $150 factory part for $68.00.  Somebody must have screwed up 
>>> somewhere
>>> 
>>> Dan 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to save this Oh Jamie!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

He forgot to say 15" Bundts are missing.
Mitch. 

> On December 2, 2016 at 11:54 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes
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> It is NOT green
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