Re: [MBZ] Strasfogel pepper jelly

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Best appreciated with creamy cheese (brue), grilled lamb chops. or roast
chicken.

On Dec 27, 2016 8:18 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> It is quite good!
>
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> > On Dec 27, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > Got a care package from Andrew today.
> >
> > Put some on a cracker to see what it's all about.
> >
> > Unique, not bad.
> >
> > Tastes like jam, with an afterburn.
> >
> > Thanks, Andrew.
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The macks are nothin compared to Warren Buffet's diesel engines.  Then 
there are the Alter Diesel engines on the rivers.


Most of the smoke I see these days comes from pretty new dogde or frod 
Diesel pickup trucks.  The kids put on straight pipes, chips and turn 
the pumps way up.  They are worse than semi tractors in the 1950s.  
There is probably more particulate and NOX coming out of fairly new 
pickups than all the VW diesels on the road.


I don't see shoveys butchered that way.  Either the scrap metal engine 
can't take it or the japanese engineers made it too difficult to bypass 
or trick the computer.


All of the pollution pales when compared to just one of mother nature's 
belches.   (volcano)


The earph heals.  albore thinks he is way more powerful than he is.  He 
is as insignificant as a mole on a flea's ear.   We are all 
insignificant compared to the powers of God, the earph, mother nature, 
or whoever you decide to worship.



Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 10:05 PM
Hard to fight back when it's obvious you wrote software to fake the 
testing, eh?


There was quite a bit of pushback on the regulations, but this is a 
case of wishes overtaking reality, I think.  There is severe pressure 
to eliminate diesels due to the particulates anyway (and they are bad, 
I agree), but the main source of diesel particulates is NOT 
automotive, it's heavy equipment an old trucks.  One of those ancient 
farm trucks with a MACK engine produces hundreds of times and much 
soot on a single gear shift than my Golf does in a month of driving.   
Even my old Volvo, notorious for smoke, wasn't that bad when it was 
running right.


Peter


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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Hard to fight back when it's obvious you wrote software to fake the  
testing, eh?


There was quite a bit of pushback on the regulations, but this is a  
case of wishes overtaking reality, I think.  There is severe pressure  
to eliminate diesels due to the particulates anyway (and they are bad,  
I agree), but the main source of diesel particulates is NOT  
automotive, it's heavy equipment an old trucks.  One of those ancient  
farm trucks with a MACK engine produces hundreds of times and much  
soot on a single gear shift than my Golf does in a month of driving.
Even my old Volvo, notorious for smoke, wasn't that bad when it was  
running right.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I was always under the impression that the diesel was really just a 4- 
bolt main version of the gas engine with a deeper casting on the  
bottom end, but I may be wrong.


Rear main wasn't adequate at all, the original was pretty much going  
to spin it sooner or later, and sooner was about 25,000 miles.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

That 350 Diesel was dying for a turbocharger and variable injection  
timing.  In fixed speed use (pumping stations, for example) it's a  
real workhorse, but in a car it was a serious dog.  Smoky, slow to  
accelerate, but fine once you got it going.


Between water damage to the IP from a non water trapping filter (how  
stupid can you get, eh?), abysmal diesel fuel quality (US diesel is  
generally pretty bad even today, but it was horrible then -- typical  
summer Cetane Index was barely 30 in good fuel) and the tendency of  
the rear main to spin every 30,000 miles or so, most people didn't  
drive it long enough for the heads to crack badly enough to pump  
coolant through the engine.


Crank was too light, bearings were too small, heads very poorly  
designed, fixed injection timing, someone should have finished the  
engineering before they sold it.


Once the beta testing got done, it turned into a decent engine,  
although I still think it has bearing problems -- GM is notorious for  
undersized bearings on cranks, too, and if the gas ones are marginal  
in width, the diesel will be severely undersized on the same cylinder  
spacing.


The bodies rotted away from the drive train on the ones that ran,  
though, I used to see one occasionally as recently as ten years ago.   
Sadly most of them weren't so good.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Free Chilton's Repair Manuals

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Does it tell em to go out and buy a real fuel filter and mount it 
properly, and plumb it properly?  If not, the info is flawed, like the 
GM system that is plumbed backwards to feed water into the injectors.



Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 8:04 PM
Yes has a section on diesel fuel system&  diesel emissions. Chilton's # 8215



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this Manfred's house in Florida?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yep!  that's it!


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Re: [MBZ] Free Chilton's Repair Manuals

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes has a section on diesel fuel system & diesel emissions. Chilton's # 8215

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4 matic
Wickford RI

On Dec 27, 2016 4:14 AM, "fmiser via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Dwight wrote:
>

Cleaning out the last bits of my automotive literature
> collection. Anyone  use a Chilton's Chevrolet? GMC Trucks?
> Covers Jimmys and Blazers; also Suburban.
> Free for shipping.
>

What years?  If newer than 1990 I have no use for them.

And I have one - 1980-1987.  The number on the spine is 8577.  I
don't need another one.  But if what you have is different, I'm
interested.

In another post I see you say it's 88-90.

Just the one, general manual?  Does it cover the diesel engine?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

It was/is about killing off any possible alternative to electric autos. 
‎Imagine the mileage achievable with a diesel electric hybrid Golf. It's about 
control. When all we have left is windmills and solar panels, you can only 
charge x days a month, etc. It's not about the environment. It's about control 
and consolidation of political power. 

Rick 


It was never about "clean air" it is all about extortion by runaway 
gummit goobers.

> Dimitri via Mercedes 
> December 27, 2016 at 6:50 PM
> I agree it's total bs. I mean lets get real here- the current vw 
> diesels don't smoke or stink. If they don't smoke or stink then they 
> are polluting a whole lot less than older diesels. And they get like 
> 45-50 mpg which means that less fuel gets consumed which means fewer 
> greenhouse gases get produced as compared with almost all gas and 
> probably most hybrid powered vehicles.
‎
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[MBZ] OT: Is this Manfred's house in Florida?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.2784813,-82.118928,270m/data=!3m1!1e3

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Re: [MBZ] Strasfogel pepper jelly

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

It is quite good!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Got a care package from Andrew today. 
> 
> Put some on a cracker to see what it's all about. 
> 
> Unique, not bad. 
> 
> Tastes like jam, with an afterburn. 
> 
> Thanks, Andrew. 
> 
> Mitch.
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[MBZ] Strasfogel pepper jelly

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Got a care package from Andrew today. 

Put some on a cracker to see what it's all about. 

Unique, not bad. 

Tastes like jam, with an afterburn. 

Thanks, Andrew. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Good point. 

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> On Dec 27, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If VW woulda had spine enough to stall until say march, 2017 or july, 2017, 
> for example, the whole deal might have been dropped, and exposed as the 
> extortion/fraud it is.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2016 at 6:42 PM
>> Yep
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It was never about "clean air" it is all about extortion by runaway 
gummit goobers.



Dimitri via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 6:50 PM
I agree it's total bs. I mean lets get real here- the current vw 
diesels don't smoke or stink. If they don't smoke or stink then they 
are polluting a whole lot less than older diesels. And they get like 
45-50 mpg which means that less fuel gets consumed which means fewer 
greenhouse gases get produced as compared with almost all gas and 
probably most hybrid powered vehicles.




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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If VW woulda had spine enough to stall until say march, 2017 or july, 
2017, for example, the whole deal might have been dropped, and exposed 
as the extortion/fraud it is.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 6:42 PM
Yep

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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I agree it's total bs. I mean lets get real here- the current vw diesels don't 
smoke or stink. If they don't smoke or stink then they are polluting a whole 
lot less than older diesels. And they get like 45-50 mpg which means that less 
fuel gets consumed which means fewer greenhouse gases get produced as compared 
with almost all gas and probably most hybrid powered vehicles. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> the whole VW Diesel scam by the bumster extortion pollution association (EPA) 
> is much ado about nothing.
> 
> VW shoulda fought back, not just rolled over.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2016 at 6:25 PM
>> Yep, total piss ignorance.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2016 at 5:45 PM
>> "Adequate power for the consumer" is the phrase that pays. My '98 Jetta has 
>> 90hp and is totally adequate, I don't know how much lighter it is than a 
>> gen6 Jetta, considerably I suspect.
>> The "cheater diesels" are 142hp, they haven't said how much they were 
>> detuned during testing. Peter is right the amount they cheated is tiny, I 
>> heard it reported to be "statistically insignificant" and "far less than one 
>> power plant".
>> The repercussions of recalling/replacing all of those cars will cause far 
>> more emissions than just running them.
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Peter Frederick 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 1:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs
>> 
>> The cheat was to operate the engine so it passed the NOX and
>> particulate emissions standards ONLY when it was being tested -- when
>> not being tested, emissions were somewhat higher.  The 40X above the
>> limit is misleading, the limit for NOX is very low, so 40 time that
>> isn't much.
>> 
>> When the vehicle was not being tested, it ran higher emissions and
>> PROBABLY had more power.  It also used far less urea solution (the
>> supply is about a liter bottle, I think).  As I said, I don't think
>> those small diesels can meet the standard and have adequate power for
>> the consumer.  Big trucks meet the particulate standards by trapping
>> the soot and adding fuel and air to burn it out.
>> 
>> Peter
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>> December 27, 2016 at 12:06 PM
>> The cheat was to operate the engine so it passed the NOX and particulate 
>> emissions standards ONLY when it was being tested -- when not being tested, 
>> emissions were somewhat higher.  The 40X above the limit is misleading, the 
>> limit for NOX is very low, so 40 time that isn't much.
>> 
>> When the vehicle was not being tested, it ran higher emissions and PROBABLY 
>> had more power.  It also used far less urea solution (the supply is about a 
>> liter bottle, I think).  As I said, I don't think those small diesels can 
>> meet the standard and have adequate power for the consumer.  Big trucks meet 
>> the particulate standards by trapping the soot and adding fuel and air to 
>> burn it out.
>> 
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>> December 27, 2016 at 11:42 AM
>> I thought the cheat was to determine when emissions testing was in progress, 
>> and
>> reduce the maximum power during testing?
>> 
>> Are you saying that the cheat involved equipping the test cars with a tiny 
>> DEF
>> system?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep

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> On Dec 27, 2016, at 6:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> the whole VW Diesel scam by the bumster extortion pollution association (EPA) 
> is much ado about nothing.
> 
> VW shoulda fought back, not just rolled over.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2016 at 6:25 PM
>> Yep, total piss ignorance.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2016 at 5:45 PM
>> "Adequate power for the consumer" is the phrase that pays. My '98 Jetta has 
>> 90hp and is totally adequate, I don't know how much lighter it is than a 
>> gen6 Jetta, considerably I suspect.
>> The "cheater diesels" are 142hp, they haven't said how much they were 
>> detuned during testing. Peter is right the amount they cheated is tiny, I 
>> heard it reported to be "statistically insignificant" and "far less than one 
>> power plant".
>> The repercussions of recalling/replacing all of those cars will cause far 
>> more emissions than just running them.
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Peter Frederick 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 1:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs
>> 
>> The cheat was to operate the engine so it passed the NOX and
>> particulate emissions standards ONLY when it was being tested -- when
>> not being tested, emissions were somewhat higher.  The 40X above the
>> limit is misleading, the limit for NOX is very low, so 40 time that
>> isn't much.
>> 
>> When the vehicle was not being tested, it ran higher emissions and
>> PROBABLY had more power.  It also used far less urea solution (the
>> supply is about a liter bottle, I think).  As I said, I don't think
>> those small diesels can meet the standard and have adequate power for
>> the consumer.  Big trucks meet the particulate standards by trapping
>> the soot and adding fuel and air to burn it out.
>> 
>> Peter
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>> Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2016 at 12:06 PM
>> The cheat was to operate the engine so it passed the NOX and particulate 
>> emissions standards ONLY when it was being tested -- when not being tested, 
>> emissions were somewhat higher.  The 40X above the limit is misleading, the 
>> limit for NOX is very low, so 40 time that isn't much.
>> 
>> When the vehicle was not being tested, it ran higher emissions and PROBABLY 
>> had more power.  It also used far less urea solution (the supply is about a 
>> liter bottle, I think).  As I said, I don't think those small diesels can 
>> meet the standard and have adequate power for the consumer.  Big trucks meet 
>> the particulate standards by trapping the soot and adding fuel and air to 
>> burn it out.
>> 
>> Peter
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>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2016 at 11:42 AM
>> I thought the cheat was to determine when emissions testing was in progress, 
>> and
>> reduce the maximum power during testing?
>> 
>> Are you saying that the cheat involved equipping the test cars with a tiny 
>> DEF
>> system?
>> 
>> Mitch.
>> 
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>> Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2016 at 11:31 AM
>> VW cannot do that without adding a 5 gal tank for the urea, hence the 
>> failure to have a mechanical fix.
>> 
>> No place to put the tank.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

the whole VW Diesel scam by the bumster extortion pollution association 
(EPA) is much ado about nothing.


VW shoulda fought back, not just rolled over.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 6:25 PM
Yep, total piss ignorance.

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 5:45 PM
"Adequate power for the consumer" is the phrase that pays. My '98 
Jetta has 90hp and is totally adequate, I don't know how much lighter 
it is than a gen6 Jetta, considerably I suspect.
The "cheater diesels" are 142hp, they haven't said how much they were 
detuned during testing. Peter is right the amount they cheated is 
tiny, I heard it reported to be "statistically insignificant" and "far 
less than one power plant".
The repercussions of recalling/replacing all of those cars will cause 
far more emissions than just running them.

-Curt


From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Peter Frederick 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

The cheat was to operate the engine so it passed the NOX and
particulate emissions standards ONLY when it was being tested -- when
not being tested, emissions were somewhat higher.  The 40X above the
limit is misleading, the limit for NOX is very low, so 40 time that
isn't much.

When the vehicle was not being tested, it ran higher emissions and
PROBABLY had more power.  It also used far less urea solution (the
supply is about a liter bottle, I think).  As I said, I don't think
those small diesels can meet the standard and have adequate power for
the consumer.  Big trucks meet the particulate standards by trapping
the soot and adding fuel and air to burn it out.

Peter

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Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 12:06 PM
The cheat was to operate the engine so it passed the NOX and 
particulate emissions standards ONLY when it was being tested -- when 
not being tested, emissions were somewhat higher.  The 40X above the 
limit is misleading, the limit for NOX is very low, so 40 time that 
isn't much.


When the vehicle was not being tested, it ran higher emissions and 
PROBABLY had more power.  It also used far less urea solution (the 
supply is about a liter bottle, I think).  As I said, I don't think 
those small diesels can meet the standard and have adequate power for 
the consumer.  Big trucks meet the particulate standards by trapping 
the soot and adding fuel and air to burn it out.


Peter

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Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 11:42 AM
I thought the cheat was to determine when emissions testing was in 
progress, and

reduce the maximum power during testing?

Are you saying that the cheat involved equipping the test cars with a 
tiny DEF

system?

Mitch.


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Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 11:31 AM
VW cannot do that without adding a 5 gal tank for the urea, hence the 
failure to have a mechanical fix.


No place to put the tank.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

that is the GM line.  Either way, the olsmodissel (and caddydissel) was 
a POS and ruined the availability and image of Diesel engines for cars 
and pickups in the USA forever.


It just happened to be the same overall dimensions and bore and stroke 
as the vergasser, and was specifically designed to be made on the same 
line with the vergassers.  It was NOT a clean sheet of paper design.  
The design started with the 350 vergasser and went around the vergasser 
assembly line, procedures and dimensions.   The design ended on the 350 
assembly line when production of the oldsmodissel abortion began.


Whether you believe the GM line or not, it was a POS and will be 
remembered forever as the engine that ruined the potential of Diesel 
cars in the USA forever.


VW and the bummster extortion polution association (EPA) ring put the 
icing on diesels in this country for the next 40 years.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 6:24 PM
Yes you are right on about the 5.7. I think the belief that the 5.7 
diesel was just a converted gas engine was because it was the same 
size and similar block to the 350. It was never converted it was 
always a diesel


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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep, total piss ignorance.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> "Adequate power for the consumer" is the phrase that pays. My '98 Jetta has 
> 90hp and is totally adequate, I don't know how much lighter it is than a gen6 
> Jetta, considerably I suspect.
> The "cheater diesels" are 142hp, they haven't said how much they were detuned 
> during testing. Peter is right the amount they cheated is tiny, I heard it 
> reported to be "statistically insignificant" and "far less than one power 
> plant".
> The repercussions of recalling/replacing all of those cars will cause far 
> more emissions than just running them.
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Peter Frederick 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 1:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs
> 
> The cheat was to operate the engine so it passed the NOX and  
> particulate emissions standards ONLY when it was being tested -- when  
> not being tested, emissions were somewhat higher.  The 40X above the  
> limit is misleading, the limit for NOX is very low, so 40 time that  
> isn't much.
> 
> When the vehicle was not being tested, it ran higher emissions and  
> PROBABLY had more power.  It also used far less urea solution (the  
> supply is about a liter bottle, I think).  As I said, I don't think  
> those small diesels can meet the standard and have adequate power for  
> the consumer.  Big trucks meet the particulate standards by trapping  
> the soot and adding fuel and air to burn it out.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes you are right on about the 5.7. I think the belief that the 5.7 diesel was 
just a converted gas engine was because it was the same size and similar block 
to the 350. It was never converted it was always a diesel

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On Dec 27, 2016, at 4:19 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Larry wrote:
> 
>> Man, we diesel enthusiast just can;t get a break, 1st, back in
>> the 70's, GM tried to use gas V8 cranks which broke too soon,
>> now,
> 
> Not true.  It was engineered as a diesel, but the bore and stroke
> dimensions were the same as the gasoline engine so both could be
> machined on the same line.  That diesel block and crank are
> sought-after items for high-power gasoline builds.
> 
> The early engines had problems - including the lack of a water
> separator for the fuel.  It was typical of GM at the time, put the
> car on the market before it was really done in engineering and let
> the early customers be "beta-testers".  After the bugs were worked
> out, the 5.7L diesel really was pretty good.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

"Adequate power for the consumer" is the phrase that pays. My '98 Jetta has 
90hp and is totally adequate, I don't know how much lighter it is than a gen6 
Jetta, considerably I suspect.
The "cheater diesels" are 142hp, they haven't said how much they were detuned 
during testing. Peter is right the amount they cheated is tiny, I heard it 
reported to be "statistically insignificant" and "far less than one power 
plant".
The repercussions of recalling/replacing all of those cars will cause far more 
emissions than just running them.
-Curt


  From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Peter Frederick 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs
   
The cheat was to operate the engine so it passed the NOX and  
particulate emissions standards ONLY when it was being tested -- when  
not being tested, emissions were somewhat higher.  The 40X above the  
limit is misleading, the limit for NOX is very low, so 40 time that  
isn't much.

When the vehicle was not being tested, it ran higher emissions and  
PROBABLY had more power.  It also used far less urea solution (the  
supply is about a liter bottle, I think).  As I said, I don't think  
those small diesels can meet the standard and have adequate power for  
the consumer.  Big trucks meet the particulate standards by trapping  
the soot and adding fuel and air to burn it out.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

gpupdate is the command line utility to force the GP update.  I think it 
is gpupdate /all to update all policies.



fmiser via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 4:19 PM

> > Ed wrote:
> >
> > While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7,
> > and as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress
> > on forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.



> fmiser wrote:
>
> How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
> know I will need to someday...



Ed wrote:



You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy
update. Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick
Google can get you the instructions, will track them down later
if you need me to do so.


Okay, I'll look into it.  Thanks!

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Ed Booher via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 1:53 PM
You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy update.
Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick Google can get you
the instructions, will track them down later if you need me to do so.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:03 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 




fmiser via Mercedes 
December 21, 2016 at 3:03 PM

Ed wrote:



While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and
as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on
forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.


How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
know I will need to someday...

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Ed Booher via Mercedes 
December 20, 2016 at 12:19 PM
While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and as an OS is
fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on forcing the thing out of
auto-update mode. I have come home to one system running 10 that was doing
a compile, only to find out it had failed because the system had rebooted
right in the middle of a job. A POS system with a non-profit I help out at
once couldn't do work for an hour and a half as it booted, said it needed
updates, then forcibly rebooted without any concern to the business it 
just

took down. Microsoft has gone the wrong direction on this one, and has
forgotten that this system is *my* system. I do not lease it from
Microsoft, I do not have a Desktop as a Service. I have systems I need to
run when I have work I need to do.

Application wise, however, I haven't found anything third-party that
refuses to run outright. To the underlying software it isn't that 
different

from 8, relatively speaking, so if it runs on 8 it should run on 10. My
game system is currently running 10.

EdB

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Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 19, 2016 at 11:39 AM
I know many of you folks are against anything from MS but, it one has 
to use Windows, is it now a good idea to change over to Windows 10 
from Windows 7?


Any real reason not to do so now?

RB


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Re: [MBZ] In praise of ATE brakes

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Used to use!  My 124 has Girlings on the front and you have to take the 
whole caliper out to change pads.   Muey Stupido!



fmiser via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 4:18 PM

Curley wrote:



All these other crap brands you have to take off the frickin
calipers. Mooey stupido!


Single piston vs dual piston that MB uses.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Ed wrote:
> >
> > While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7,
> > and as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress
> > on forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.



> fmiser wrote:
>
> How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
> know I will need to someday...



Ed wrote:



You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy
update. Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick
Google can get you the instructions, will track them down later
if you need me to do so.


Okay, I'll look into it.  Thanks!

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Re: [MBZ] In praise of ATE brakes

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Curley wrote:



All these other crap brands you have to take off the frickin
calipers. Mooey stupido!


Single piston vs dual piston that MB uses.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Larry wrote:



Man, we diesel enthusiast just can;t get a break, 1st, back in
the 70's, GM tried to use gas V8 cranks which broke too soon,
now,


Not true.  It was engineered as a diesel, but the bore and stroke
dimensions were the same as the gasoline engine so both could be
machined on the same line.  That diesel block and crank are
sought-after items for high-power gasoline builds.

The early engines had problems - including the lack of a water
separator for the fuel.  It was typical of GM at the time, put the
car on the market before it was really done in engineering and let
the early customers be "beta-testers".  After the bugs were worked
out, the 5.7L diesel really was pretty good.


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Re: [MBZ] 18V dewalt batteries REVIVING

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I liked converting to LiPO cells the best - - then the welding one.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Which one did you like best?  I thought the FCAW one was the most
> creative.  I guess I didn't understand the one where the guy hooked up 3
> 18V batteries.  I thought he was using one battery to zap the other 3, but
> he was actually trying to apply 54V to one dead battery.   After I watched
> the welder one, then I figged out i had the concept backwards.
>
> OK Don via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2016 at 2:39 PM
>> Cool find - thanks for sharing.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>
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Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nobody commented or added/edited my MB Diesel slow start/no start 
troubleshooting list.


Should it be in the form of a flow chart?  I don't believe everyone 
liked it as posted.


Should there be assumptions stated first?

I figured checking for +12V at the GP first might be controversial.

I know details need to be added for newbies.

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[MBZ] booster pack test

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Caution, don't try to use these to start your Diesel in cold weather.  
THey will fail.  They might start your vergassers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW0f-cH0eDc  (X rated language)

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Re: [MBZ] 18V dewalt batteries REVIVING

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Which one did you like best?  I thought the FCAW one was the most 
creative.  I guess I didn't understand the one where the guy hooked up 3 
18V batteries.  I thought he was using one battery to zap the other 3, 
but he was actually trying to apply 54V to one dead battery.   After I 
watched the welder one, then I figged out i had the concept backwards.



OK Don via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 2:39 PM
Cool find - thanks for sharing.

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Re: [MBZ] 18V dewalt batteries REVIVING

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Cool find - thanks for sharing.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> This is the video with the "How to" revive  dead nicads with a cheepchinee
> programmable charger.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FORZQtnNz8  (bosch)
>
>
> Same guy converting Bosch drill to Li ion:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W3-M50uE8w
>
> Zapping nicads to revive:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5k0ljHLF58
> Gotta love this one!   WELDING nicads
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh9FsEWvMoQ
>
> Installing new batteries in a dewalt case.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAzLpS1b5L8
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Or, since it is a mainly "offline" computer/operation, just make a VM 
with XP.  it is stable and won't restart when $micro$haft$$$ tells it to.



Ed Booher via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 1:53 PM
You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy update.
Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick Google can get you
the instructions, will track them down later if you need me to do so.



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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 133, Issue 179

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Cool!  I had not seen that modification to Dr. Porche's work before.


MG via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 1:06 PM
I like this one better.

Manfred



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think I figured out how to turn off the auto update in Win7 as this 
morning it was annoying me to download something and restart it.  I'm 
guessing that is a daily occurrence, which if left in auto would trash 
any open apps and work.


--FT


On 12/27/16 2:53 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy update.
Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick Google can get you
the instructions, will track them down later if you need me to do so.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:03 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:


Ed wrote:
While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and

as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on
forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.


How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
know I will need to someday...


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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Worse part is, one of the Linux distros, might be Ubuntu, can't remember
right now, has announced they are going to do the same to their desktop
version of their distro. Auto update and reboot. Yay!

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Ed Booher  wrote:

> You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy update.
> Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick Google can get you
> the instructions, will track them down later if you need me to do so.
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:03 PM, fmiser via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Ed wrote:
>>>
>>
>> While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and
>>> as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on
>>> forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.
>>>
>>
>> How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
>> know I will need to someday...
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Windows?

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

You have to both make a registry edit, and force a global policy update.
Microsoft is serious about updating *their* OS. A quick Google can get you
the instructions, will track them down later if you need me to do so.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:03 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Ed wrote:
>>
>
> While the *use* of Windows 10 isn't that different from 7, and
>> as an OS is fairly stable and complete, I have to stress on
>> forcing the thing out of auto-update mode.
>>
>
> How did you accomplish this?  I am not yet using Win10 - but I
> know I will need to someday...
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Re: [MBZ] 124 HEADLIGHT WIRES

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On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 11:19:18 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> NO!  OE bubs only!
> 
> I don't like relays in headlight circuit.  Single point of failure.
> Now there are 4 points of failure so you generally end up with 4/4 or
> 3/4 of the possible light available.  If a relay fails, it is lights
> out.

If you headlight dimmer switch or the light switch on the dash fail, it's
also lights out -- there are two points of single point of failure from
the factory.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 133, Issue 179

[MG via Mercedes]

I like this one better.

Manfred



Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 11:46:58 -0600
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs
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where there is a will, there is a way.  Bluejuice headliner?

There was "no place" to put a wood gas generator either

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Re: [MBZ] In praise of ATE brakes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Other than screwing in the calipers the brakes on an A4 Golf are super easy. 
Grease the pins, mine is the only car I've ever seen stuck pins on...
Curt

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  On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Peter Frederick via 
Mercedes wrote:   Gotta do the brakes on the Golf this 
week, same deal on the rear  
brakes (it's the screw type parking brake that causes the issue, but  
you don't have the drum brake parking brake to deal with).

Not really looking forward to it, but it's gotta be done.

First major thing on the Golf since I got almost two years ago.  Will  
need a timing belt soon, but that won't be done by me, I think.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 124 HEADLIGHT WIRES

[MG via Mercedes]

That is why, if you do it right you have 4 relays. The individual 
wires to the headlights each go to a relay that switches the 
power from the original wire to power from the battery to each 
individual filament of headlight bulb using heavier wire which 
will better carry the amps actually required by the filament. So 
bottom line still the same reliability or better because now the 
fuse in the fuse panel doesn't have to carry anywhere near as 
much power. Also leaves more reserve in the original main fuse 
panel to battery wires to handle other needs (keeps them cooler).
Though I will admit you do now have an extra failure point at 
each relay but given the gains everywhere else and the 
reliability of relays in general I feel that is more then made up 
for.


Manfred



Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 11:19:18 -0600
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>


NO!  OE bubs only!

I don't like relays in headlight circuit.  Single point of failure.  Now 
there are 4 points of failure so you generally end up with 4/4 or 3/4 of 
the possible light available.  If a relay fails, it is lights out.



MG via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 8:58 AM
Sounds like it's time to make a heavy duty wire set with relays. use 
the original wires to run the relays and a new feed from the battery 
for power. Try some 12 gauge and your headlights should be a bit 
brighter. Been meaning to do that for a few years now.


You aren't by any chance running a set of those rally bulbs are you? :-)

Manfred






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I would think they could if VW were to enable the "limp while emissions testing"
mode to operate full time, but I don't know the terms of the settlement. 
I get the idea they'd be pretty slow if they had to be driven like that. 
Mitch.



On December 27, 2016 at 11:21 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes
 wrote:


That's a shame.  I would live with the problem if it were me.

Can the affected diesels be sold on the used market?

LarryT


On 12/27/2016 11:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Vw will no longer be selling diesels in the US.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes
 wrote:

Speaking of the VW magic with software, I wonder if new diesels will be
impossible to buy?  I was in the market about a year ago when this was
still in court and the saleslady said they weren't allowed to sell new
Diesels.  I assume they are selling them again?

Man, we diesel enthusiast just can;t get a break, 1st, back in the 70's, GM
tried to use gas V8 cranks which broke too soon, now, VW has put another
nail into the casket!

I wonder if new cars will be offered with diesels as they were in the past?

LarryT



On 12/26/2016 9:59 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
Yup the guy is a dirtbag alright. VW should disqualify him from the
buyback. period.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 23, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

I don't care if stripping the car meets the letter of the buyback it's a
dirtbag move and dirtbag that do it shouldn't get the full buyback price.
Everybody knows what the buyback means, some people are trying to do
better than a fair deal and that's not right.
Curt

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  On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Mitch Haley via
Mercedes wrote:
  
http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-refuses-to-buy-back-the-stripped-out-car-rig-1790345158

Joe just told me over the phone that a mere hour before his appointment
at the
VW dealership, a representative for the company? who most likely saw
yesterday?s
story on Jalopnik?called and told him his buyback appointment had been
postponed. (We have reached out to Volkswagen directly about this matter
and
will update if we hear anything.)

Joe says the rep told him that the reason for the delay is that VW
believes
stripping the car ?wasn?t in the spirit of the buyback.?

But as for the actual letter of the buyback, as Joe points out, the FTC
Consent
Order specifies only that to be eligible cars have to be ?operable,? a
term the
document defines clearly as ?can be driven under its own 2.0- liter TDI
engine
power.?

Joe says his car drives just fine.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The cheat was to operate the engine so it passed the NOX and  
particulate emissions standards ONLY when it was being tested -- when  
not being tested, emissions were somewhat higher.  The 40X above the  
limit is misleading, the limit for NOX is very low, so 40 time that  
isn't much.


When the vehicle was not being tested, it ran higher emissions and  
PROBABLY had more power.  It also used far less urea solution (the  
supply is about a liter bottle, I think).  As I said, I don't think  
those small diesels can meet the standard and have adequate power for  
the consumer.  Big trucks meet the particulate standards by trapping  
the soot and adding fuel and air to burn it out.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

where there is a will, there is a way.  Bluejuice headliner?

There was "no place" to put a wood gas generator either


Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 11:31 AM
VW cannot do that without adding a 5 gal tank for the urea, hence the 
failure to have a mechanical fix.


No place to put the tank.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I thought the cheat was to determine when emissions testing was in progress, and
reduce the maximum power during testing?

Are you saying that the cheat involved equipping the test cars with a tiny DEF
system?

Mitch.

> On December 27, 2016 at 12:31 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> VW cannot do that without adding a 5 gal tank for the urea, hence the  
> failure to have a mechanical fix.
> 
> No place to put the tank.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

VW cannot do that without adding a 5 gal tank for the urea, hence the  
failure to have a mechanical fix.


No place to put the tank.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The emissions standards for diesel cars in the US is probably  
impossible to meet for small engines, and VW chose to cheat rather  
than use known technology (BlueTec) to avoid using large amounts of  
urea solution to manage the nitrogen oxides.  Probably can not afford  
to develop the cars now, after all the fines and lost business.  Too  
bad, they are nice cars.


The real solution of the nitrogen oxides problem is to build cities  
that can efficiently use mass transit, but the world dismantled that  
system starting in the 50's, and we have 60 years of "transportation  
issues" to deal with.  Everyone driving their own transit device means  
way too much nitrogen oxide emissions as electrics just won't do the  
job (ever) and internal combustion engines always produce large  
amounts of nitrogen oxides.  High thermal efficiency engines  
inherently produce large amounts of NOX because the air they operate  
on is 80% nitrogen -- the absolute worst offenders are jet engines,  
just not a grade level.


Suburban and ex-urban living is not possible as currently built using  
mass transit, gonna take a huge investment in new housing and business  
relocation to fix it.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I would think they could if VW were to enable the "limp while emissions testing"
mode to operate full time, but I don't know the terms of the settlement. 
I get the idea they'd be pretty slow if they had to be driven like that. 
Mitch.

> On December 27, 2016 at 11:21 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's a shame.  I would live with the problem if it were me.
> 
> Can the affected diesels be sold on the used market?
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
> On 12/27/2016 11:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Vw will no longer be selling diesels in the US.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Speaking of the VW magic with software, I wonder if new diesels will be
> >> impossible to buy?  I was in the market about a year ago when this was
> >> still in court and the saleslady said they weren't allowed to sell new
> >> Diesels.  I assume they are selling them again?
> >>
> >> Man, we diesel enthusiast just can;t get a break, 1st, back in the 70's, GM
> >> tried to use gas V8 cranks which broke too soon, now, VW has put another
> >> nail into the casket!
> >>
> >> I wonder if new cars will be offered with diesels as they were in the past?
> >>
> >> LarryT
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 12/26/2016 9:59 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Yup the guy is a dirtbag alright. VW should disqualify him from the
> >>> buyback. period.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Dec 23, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>   wrote:
> 
>  I don't care if stripping the car meets the letter of the buyback it's a
>  dirtbag move and dirtbag that do it shouldn't get the full buyback price.
>  Everybody knows what the buyback means, some people are trying to do
>  better than a fair deal and that's not right.
>  Curt
> 
>  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>    On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Mitch Haley via
>  Mercedes wrote:
>    
>  http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-refuses-to-buy-back-the-stripped-out-car-rig-1790345158
> 
>  Joe just told me over the phone that a mere hour before his appointment
>  at the
>  VW dealership, a representative for the company— who most likely saw
>  yesterday’s
>  story on Jalopnik—called and told him his buyback appointment had been
>  postponed. (We have reached out to Volkswagen directly about this matter
>  and
>  will update if we hear anything.)
> 
>  Joe says the rep told him that the reason for the delay is that VW
>  believes
>  stripping the car “wasn’t in the spirit of the buyback.”
> 
>  But as for the actual letter of the buyback, as Joe points out, the FTC
>  Consent
>  Order specifies only that to be eligible cars have to be “operable,” a
>  term the
>  document defines clearly as “can be driven under its own 2.0- liter TDI
>  engine
>  power.”
> 
>  Joe says his car drives just fine.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 HEADLIGHT WIRES

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

NO!  OE bubs only!

I don't like relays in headlight circuit.  Single point of failure.  Now 
there are 4 points of failure so you generally end up with 4/4 or 3/4 of 
the possible light available.  If a relay fails, it is lights out.



MG via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 8:58 AM
Sounds like it's time to make a heavy duty wire set with relays. use 
the original wires to run the relays and a new feed from the battery 
for power. Try some 12 gauge and your headlights should be a bit 
brighter. Been meaning to do that for a few years now.


You aren't by any chance running a set of those rally bulbs are you? :-)

Manfred




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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Not if they are sold back to vw

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's a shame.  I would live with the problem if it were me.
> 
> Can the affected diesels be sold on the used market?
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 12/27/2016 11:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Vw will no longer be selling diesels in the US.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Speaking of the VW magic with software, I wonder if new diesels will be 
>>> impossible to buy?  I was in the market about a year ago when this was 
>>> still in court and the saleslady said they weren't allowed to sell new 
>>> Diesels.  I assume they are selling them again?
>>> 
>>> Man, we diesel enthusiast just can;t get a break, 1st, back in the 70's, GM 
>>> tried to use gas V8 cranks which broke too soon, now, VW has put another 
>>> nail into the casket!
>>> 
>>> I wonder if new cars will be offered with diesels as they were in the past?
>>> 
>>> LarryT
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12/26/2016 9:59 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
 Yup the guy is a dirtbag alright. VW should disqualify him from the 
 buyback. period.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 23, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't care if stripping the car meets the letter of the buyback it's a 
> dirtbag move and dirtbag that do it shouldn't get the full buyback price. 
> Everybody knows what the buyback means, some people are trying to do 
> better than a fair deal and that's not right.
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>  On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Mitch Haley via 
> Mercedes wrote:   
> http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-refuses-to-buy-back-the-stripped-out-car-rig-1790345158
> 
> Joe just told me over the phone that a mere hour before his appointment 
> at the
> VW dealership, a representative for the company— who most likely saw 
> yesterday’s
> story on Jalopnik—called and told him his buyback appointment had been
> postponed. (We have reached out to Volkswagen directly about this matter 
> and
> will update if we hear anything.)
> 
> Joe says the rep told him that the reason for the delay is that VW 
> believes
> stripping the car “wasn’t in the spirit of the buyback.”
> 
> But as for the actual letter of the buyback, as Joe points out, the FTC 
> Consent
> Order specifies only that to be eligible cars have to be “operable,” a 
> term the
> document defines clearly as “can be driven under its own 2.0- liter TDI 
> engine
> power.”
> 
> Joe says his car drives just fine.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

That's a shame.  I would live with the problem if it were me.

Can the affected diesels be sold on the used market?

LarryT


On 12/27/2016 11:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Vw will no longer be selling diesels in the US.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Speaking of the VW magic with software, I wonder if new diesels will be 
impossible to buy?  I was in the market about a year ago when this was still in 
court and the saleslady said they weren't allowed to sell new Diesels.  I 
assume they are selling them again?

Man, we diesel enthusiast just can;t get a break, 1st, back in the 70's, GM 
tried to use gas V8 cranks which broke too soon, now, VW has put another nail 
into the casket!

I wonder if new cars will be offered with diesels as they were in the past?

LarryT



On 12/26/2016 9:59 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
Yup the guy is a dirtbag alright. VW should disqualify him from the buyback. 
period.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 23, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

I don't care if stripping the car meets the letter of the buyback it's a 
dirtbag move and dirtbag that do it shouldn't get the full buyback price. 
Everybody knows what the buyback means, some people are trying to do better 
than a fair deal and that's not right.
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

  On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Mitch Haley via 
Mercedes wrote:   
http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-refuses-to-buy-back-the-stripped-out-car-rig-1790345158

Joe just told me over the phone that a mere hour before his appointment at the
VW dealership, a representative for the company— who most likely saw yesterday’s
story on Jalopnik—called and told him his buyback appointment had been
postponed. (We have reached out to Volkswagen directly about this matter and
will update if we hear anything.)

Joe says the rep told him that the reason for the delay is that VW believes
stripping the car “wasn’t in the spirit of the buyback.”

But as for the actual letter of the buyback, as Joe points out, the FTC Consent
Order specifies only that to be eligible cars have to be “operable,” a term the
document defines clearly as “can be driven under its own 2.0- liter TDI engine
power.”

Joe says his car drives just fine.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 HEADLIGHT WIRES

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Thanks!  Very well explained.  I now understand...

LarryT


On 12/27/2016 9:26 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 06:31:01 -0500 Larry Turner via Mercedes
 wrote:


Speaking of Deoxit, is that a replacement for Dielectric Grease, or
should both be used, or just one.  I have both, and usually put a thin
layer of Dielectric on all connections.  I guess I am saying I need to
know what situation calls for Deoxit and when should I use Dielectric?

DeoxIT is to remove oxidation.

Dielectric grease is to keep contaminates out of connections.

Use DeoxIT if your connections are not being made well, attaching and
removing the plug several times. Then use dielectric grease to keep the
connections good.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Vw will no longer be selling diesels in the US.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of the VW magic with software, I wonder if new diesels will be 
> impossible to buy?  I was in the market about a year ago when this was still 
> in court and the saleslady said they weren't allowed to sell new Diesels.  I 
> assume they are selling them again?
> 
> Man, we diesel enthusiast just can;t get a break, 1st, back in the 70's, GM 
> tried to use gas V8 cranks which broke too soon, now, VW has put another nail 
> into the casket!
> 
> I wonder if new cars will be offered with diesels as they were in the past?
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 12/26/2016 9:59 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yup the guy is a dirtbag alright. VW should disqualify him from the buyback. 
>> period.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't care if stripping the car meets the letter of the buyback it's a 
>>> dirtbag move and dirtbag that do it shouldn't get the full buyback price. 
>>> Everybody knows what the buyback means, some people are trying to do better 
>>> than a fair deal and that's not right.
>>> Curt
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> 
>>>  On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Mitch Haley via 
>>> Mercedes wrote:   
>>> http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-refuses-to-buy-back-the-stripped-out-car-rig-1790345158
>>> 
>>> Joe just told me over the phone that a mere hour before his appointment at 
>>> the
>>> VW dealership, a representative for the company— who most likely saw 
>>> yesterday’s
>>> story on Jalopnik—called and told him his buyback appointment had been
>>> postponed. (We have reached out to Volkswagen directly about this matter and
>>> will update if we hear anything.)
>>> 
>>> Joe says the rep told him that the reason for the delay is that VW believes
>>> stripping the car “wasn’t in the spirit of the buyback.”
>>> 
>>> But as for the actual letter of the buyback, as Joe points out, the FTC 
>>> Consent
>>> Order specifies only that to be eligible cars have to be “operable,” a term 
>>> the
>>> document defines clearly as “can be driven under its own 2.0- liter TDI 
>>> engine
>>> power.”
>>> 
>>> Joe says his car drives just fine.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

No problem,  Found one at BAP-Geon that'll be here tomorrow.  It's also 
$100 less that the MB dealer.


LarryT


On 12/27/2016 8:05 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I don't have any spares.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 27, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Kaleb, do you have any replacement GP Relays?  and access to 2 or 3 day 
shipping?

LarryT



On 12/26/2016 2:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Turn key on, go to engine compartment, wait for a minute and you will hear glow 
plug relay kick off. Very simple. If you have fuel bubbling out of the loose 
lines this is not your problem. Start by seeing if glow plug relay is clicking 
on and off. If not, replace it.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 26, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

While waiting for my wife to get home I thought I'd try bleeding the fuel lines but 
it's going to have to wait for my wife to get here.  I loosened all 5 and cranked 
it over &  I have fuel leaking through the loose fittings but cannot tell if it 
is flowing or bubbling, so I'm not sure the air is all out.

My disability makes it too hard for me to move from the ignition switch to the 
engine to check the GP's.I'm just not fast enough anymore.  ;-(

BTW - I recall the relay being on the Leading side of the Left Front Inner 
Fender - is that right, just behind the ABS unit?  There is a nut on the 
inboard side and another on the outboard side, right?

There's one more thing nagging at me - when cranking I noticed it seemed to be 
spinning over very freely!  Scary feeling I must admit.I hope I don't have 
any broken rings or burned valves!  But I come back to the MPG's which I 
checked at every fill up and I have been getting a solid 30MPG +/- 2 mpg's - 
that's been checked for as long as we have owned it - roughly 10 years.   I'm 
saying my prayer it's not the engine.   Otherwise I might have to accept 
Dwight's $500 offer!

Thanks for the help gang!

LarryT






On 12/26/2016 10:50 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
Thanks Curley!!



On 12/26/2016 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Basics:

0. put the charger on the battery to recharge/maintain it during a lot of 
cranking.

1.  Crack the fuel line(s) then crank to make sure you have fuel delivery.  
About 720º degrees rotation  on the crank should be enough.  If you need to 
bleed the system, more cranking is needed.

2.  If fuel is being delivered to the nozzles, Then proceed to electrical checks

3.  Key on to glow position, check for 12V at each GP.  Be careful not to short 
the probe to ground.  You may need a couple of glow cycles to complete this.  A 
helper to turn the key to glow/off makes it easier.

4.  Pull off the cover from the GP relay, pull the plug to the GPs.  If 0V on 
step 3, turn key go to glow and check for 12V on the relay at the terminals for 
the GP wires.  If 0V, replace fuses first, if present.  Otherwise, replace GP 
relay.
(a further test is possible to make sure the key is delivering juice to the 
relay to turn  on the relay.  Consult wiring diagram for this info)  If a fuse 
is present, it is generally a fuse problem.  if a new fuse does not fix it, and 
GP, GP wires are good, it is almost always a bad relay.

5.  If all used relay pins are delivering 12V to the wiring harness to the GPs, 
turn the multimeter to the lowest ohm reading you have. check meter for zero.  
If you can't get 0, offet your reading by the static amount.  Check the used 
sockets in the plug on the GP harness between one socket and ground. Book value 
is 1.4 ohms.  0 ohms is a open plug, replace it. over 1.7 ohms os a bad plug, 
replace it, if you are sure your meter is reading correctly.  It takes a good 
meter to read 1.4 ohms.   with a cheap ($10 HF) meter it is 0 or infinity, so 
if you get something near 0 ohms, you assume it is good; infinity indicates it 
is an open circuit, replace the plug.  GPs usually fail open.  A GP with say 
2.4 ohms reading is on its way out and needs to be replaced.  2.4 is about as 
high as I have seen.  I have seen meters that consistently read 1.7 on good or 
new GPs, so you have to learn your meter's idiosyncrasies, unless you have a 
very expensive ($500+) meter.


You guys edit this to make this an all purpose troubleshooting formula for non 
start or slow start Diesels.

Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 26, 2016 at 8:42 AM
No. i probably didn't explain the chronology very well.

1,. Tried to start it - had to crank excessively to get it to finally start - .

2.  After excessive cranking it started running very rough - exactly like it 
would be when 1 or 2 GPs go dead..  (After your question about the dash light I 
recalled it being illuminated while the car was running.)

3. During this start up episode I noticed lots of white smoke from the exhaust 
pipe.

4 Since I had 5 new GPs on the shelf I jumped in to R the GP 

Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Speaking of the VW magic with software, I wonder if new diesels will be 
impossible to buy?  I was in the market about a year ago when this was 
still in court and the saleslady said they weren't allowed to sell new 
Diesels.  I assume they are selling them again?


Man, we diesel enthusiast just can;t get a break, 1st, back in the 70's, 
GM tried to use gas V8 cranks which broke too soon, now, VW has put 
another nail into the casket!


I wonder if new cars will be offered with diesels as they were in the past?

LarryT


On 12/26/2016 9:59 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:

Yup the guy is a dirtbag alright. VW should disqualify him from the buyback. 
period.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 23, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

I don't care if stripping the car meets the letter of the buyback it's a 
dirtbag move and dirtbag that do it shouldn't get the full buyback price. 
Everybody knows what the buyback means, some people are trying to do better 
than a fair deal and that's not right.
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

  On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Mitch Haley via 
Mercedes wrote:   
http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-refuses-to-buy-back-the-stripped-out-car-rig-1790345158

Joe just told me over the phone that a mere hour before his appointment at the
VW dealership, a representative for the company— who most likely saw yesterday’s
story on Jalopnik—called and told him his buyback appointment had been
postponed. (We have reached out to Volkswagen directly about this matter and
will update if we hear anything.)

Joe says the rep told him that the reason for the delay is that VW believes
stripping the car “wasn’t in the spirit of the buyback.”

But as for the actual letter of the buyback, as Joe points out, the FTC Consent
Order specifies only that to be eligible cars have to be “operable,” a term the
document defines clearly as “can be driven under its own 2.0- liter TDI engine
power.”

Joe says his car drives just fine.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 HEADLIGHT WIRES

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Eh, I'd not bother with all that, just get a set of Euro headlights.   
Not too bad if you get the Chinese ones, although Hella's are better  
if you can find them.


Beat the h..l out of the DOT originals and don't pull any more  
current.  If I keep either of the W124s much longer I will get a set  
for them, had them on the wrecked 300d and loved them.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 124 HEADLIGHT WIRES

[MG via Mercedes]

Sounds like it's time to make a heavy duty wire set with relays. 
use the original wires to run the relays and a new feed from the 
battery for power. Try some 12 gauge and your headlights should 
be a bit brighter. Been meaning to do that for a few years now.


You aren't by any chance running a set of those rally bulbs are 
you? :-)


Manfred



Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 22:58:45 -0600
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>


About a year ago, I salvaged new wires out of a junker to replace the 
melted plug on the right headlight of the 124 300D (1987)  Now, the 
"new" wire is burned again. I know this is a common problem, but has 
anyone found other solutions for a more permanent fix.  I know herr 
Stern will sell high watt lights, relays, wires, plugs, etc for whatever 
the going price is ($500 or $600)  I don't want to spend that much money 
on what now is a $1000 car.  I don't even want to spend the $100 or so 
on the new wire and plug from MB when I can find used ones for much less.


In the meantime, I salvaged another wire from a busted up light, and a 
rt and left headlight assembly; rt with a very old headlight door and 
left with no headlight door.  So, I have options.  wire or whole assembly.


Would it do any good to also replace the bulb?  Last year I believe I 
reused the same bulb.  At any rate, it was a used bub, not a new one.   
MY thinking is new bub=shiny pins .: less resistance .: less heat buildup.


and a shot of deoxit while plugging and unplugging the old bub...before 
installing with a new bub.


Any ideas?


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Re: [MBZ] 18V dewalt batteries

[MG via Mercedes]

Oh yeah. I meant to reply to this before.

If you want to get real gung ho you could try the newest thing. 
Super Capacitors. Some people are playing with them even up to 
putting sets of them in place of a car battery. They have a bunch 
of stuff on youtube about them. Even stuff on how to make your own.


What a way to get zapped!

Manfred

Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 23:40:29 + (UTC)
From: Curt Raymond 


I've played with NiMH AA and AAA batteries. The thing to look for 
is ULD (ultra low discharge) which you'll find in all eneloops 
and the Amazon basics all the best of which are made in Japan. 
Can't help you with anything else. I looked into replacing the 
cells in my 24v impact wrench but found mixed info...


Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 124 HEADLIGHT WIRES

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 06:31:01 -0500 Larry Turner via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Speaking of Deoxit, is that a replacement for Dielectric Grease, or 
> should both be used, or just one.  I have both, and usually put a thin 
> layer of Dielectric on all connections.  I guess I am saying I need to 
> know what situation calls for Deoxit and when should I use Dielectric?

DeoxIT is to remove oxidation.

Dielectric grease is to keep contaminates out of connections.

Use DeoxIT if your connections are not being made well, attaching and
removing the plug several times. Then use dielectric grease to keep the
connections good.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 124 HEADLIGHT WIRES

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

looks like o'really? has one for 9007 bubs.

And Larry found them at German Auto Parts.

Thanks

Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 8:17 AM
FLAPS I think.  Been a while.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] 124 HEADLIGHT WIRES

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

FLAPS I think.  Been a while.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Make sure you match the part number.  (or superceded P/N)  I know they 
make relays for 4 cyl that only have 4 pins coming out for the GP plug.  
They all use the 6 pin plug, but there are 4 and 6, and I am guessing 5 
pin relays.  You should be able to use a 6 pin relay, but a 4 pin won't 
light up all 5 GPs.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 7:05 AM
I don't have any spares.

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Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 27, 2016 at 6:55 AM
Kaleb, do you have any replacement GP Relays?  and access to 2 or 3 
day shipping?


LarryT




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Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 26, 2016 at 12:46 PM
While waiting for my wife to get home I thought I'd try bleeding the 
fuel lines but it's going to have to wait for my wife to get here.  I 
loosened all 5 and cranked it over &  I have fuel leaking through the 
loose fittings but cannot tell if it is flowing or bubbling, so I'm 
not sure the air is all out.


My disability makes it too hard for me to move from the ignition 
switch to the engine to check the GP's.I'm just not fast enough 
anymore.  ;-(


BTW - I recall the relay being on the Leading side of the Left Front 
Inner Fender - is that right, just behind the ABS unit?  There is a 
nut on the inboard side and another on the outboard side, right?


There's one more thing nagging at me - when cranking I noticed it 
seemed to be spinning over very freely!  Scary feeling I must 
admit.I hope I don't have any broken rings or burned valves!  But 
I come back to the MPG's which I checked at every fill up and I have 
been getting a solid 30MPG +/- 2 mpg's - that's been checked for as 
long as we have owned it - roughly 10 years.   I'm saying my prayer 
it's not the engine.   Otherwise I might have to accept Dwight's $500 
offer!


Thanks for the help gang!

LarryT







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December 26, 2016 at 9:50 AM
Thanks Curley!!




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Curley McLain 
December 26, 2016 at 9:21 AM
Basics:

0. put the charger on the battery to recharge/maintain it during a lot 
of cranking.


1.  Crack the fuel line(s) then crank to make sure you have fuel 
delivery.  About 720º degrees rotation  on the crank should be 
enough.  If you need to bleed the system, more cranking is needed.


2.  If fuel is being delivered to the nozzles, Then proceed to 
electrical checks


3.  Key on to glow position, check for 12V at each GP.  Be careful not 
to short the probe to ground.  You may need a couple of glow cycles to 
complete this.  A helper to turn the key to glow/off makes it easier.


4.  Pull off the cover from the GP relay, pull the plug to the GPs.  
If 0V on step 3, turn key go to glow and check for 12V on the relay at 
the terminals for the GP wires.  If 0V, replace fuses first, if 
present.  Otherwise, replace GP relay.
(a further test is possible to make sure the key is delivering juice 
to the relay to turn  on the relay.  Consult wiring diagram for this 
info)  If a fuse is present, it is generally a fuse problem.  if a new 
fuse does not fix it, and GP, GP wires are good, it is almost always a 
bad relay.


5.  If all used relay pins are delivering 12V to the wiring harness to 
the GPs, turn the multimeter to the lowest ohm reading you have. check 
meter for zero.  If you can't get 0, offet your reading by the static 
amount.  Check the used sockets in the plug on the GP harness between 
one socket and ground.  Book value is 1.4 ohms.  0 ohms is a open 
plug, replace it.  over 1.7 ohms os a bad plug, replace it, if you are 
sure your meter is reading correctly.  It takes a good meter to read 
1.4 ohms.   with a cheap ($10 HF) meter it is 0 or infinity, so if you 
get something near 0 ohms, you assume it is good; infinity indicates 
it is an open circuit, replace the plug.  GPs usually fail open.  A GP 
with say 2.4 ohms reading is on its way out and needs to be replaced.  
2.4 is about as high as I have 

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I don't have any spares. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, do you have any replacement GP Relays?  and access to 2 or 3 day 
> shipping?
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 12/26/2016 2:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Turn key on, go to engine compartment, wait for a minute and you will hear 
>> glow plug relay kick off. Very simple. If you have fuel bubbling out of the 
>> loose lines this is not your problem. Start by seeing if glow plug relay is 
>> clicking on and off. If not, replace it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> While waiting for my wife to get home I thought I'd try bleeding the fuel 
>>> lines but it's going to have to wait for my wife to get here.  I loosened 
>>> all 5 and cranked it over &  I have fuel leaking through the loose fittings 
>>> but cannot tell if it is flowing or bubbling, so I'm not sure the air is 
>>> all out.
>>> 
>>> My disability makes it too hard for me to move from the ignition switch to 
>>> the engine to check the GP's.I'm just not fast enough anymore.  ;-(
>>> 
>>> BTW - I recall the relay being on the Leading side of the Left Front Inner 
>>> Fender - is that right, just behind the ABS unit?  There is a nut on the 
>>> inboard side and another on the outboard side, right?
>>> 
>>> There's one more thing nagging at me - when cranking I noticed it seemed to 
>>> be spinning over very freely!  Scary feeling I must admit.I hope I 
>>> don't have any broken rings or burned valves!  But I come back to the MPG's 
>>> which I checked at every fill up and I have been getting a solid 30MPG +/- 
>>> 2 mpg's - that's been checked for as long as we have owned it - roughly 10 
>>> years.   I'm saying my prayer it's not the engine.   Otherwise I might have 
>>> to accept Dwight's $500 offer!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the help gang!
>>> 
>>> LarryT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12/26/2016 10:50 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
 Thanks Curley!!
 
 
> On 12/26/2016 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> Basics:
> 
> 0. put the charger on the battery to recharge/maintain it during a lot of 
> cranking.
> 
> 1.  Crack the fuel line(s) then crank to make sure you have fuel 
> delivery.  About 720º degrees rotation  on the crank should be enough.  
> If you need to bleed the system, more cranking is needed.
> 
> 2.  If fuel is being delivered to the nozzles, Then proceed to electrical 
> checks
> 
> 3.  Key on to glow position, check for 12V at each GP.  Be careful not to 
> short the probe to ground.  You may need a couple of glow cycles to 
> complete this.  A helper to turn the key to glow/off makes it easier.
> 
> 4.  Pull off the cover from the GP relay, pull the plug to the GPs.  If 
> 0V on step 3, turn key go to glow and check for 12V on the relay at the 
> terminals for the GP wires.  If 0V, replace fuses first, if present.  
> Otherwise, replace GP relay.
> (a further test is possible to make sure the key is delivering juice to 
> the relay to turn  on the relay.  Consult wiring diagram for this info)  
> If a fuse is present, it is generally a fuse problem.  if a new fuse does 
> not fix it, and GP, GP wires are good, it is almost always a bad relay.
> 
> 5.  If all used relay pins are delivering 12V to the wiring harness to 
> the GPs, turn the multimeter to the lowest ohm reading you have. check 
> meter for zero.  If you can't get 0, offet your reading by the static 
> amount.  Check the used sockets in the plug on the GP harness between one 
> socket and ground. Book value is 1.4 ohms.  0 ohms is a open plug, 
> replace it. over 1.7 ohms os a bad plug, replace it, if you are sure your 
> meter is reading correctly.  It takes a good meter to read 1.4 ohms.   
> with a cheap ($10 HF) meter it is 0 or infinity, so if you get something 
> near 0 ohms, you assume it is good; infinity indicates it is an open 
> circuit, replace the plug.  GPs usually fail open.  A GP with say 2.4 
> ohms reading is on its way out and needs to be replaced.  2.4 is about as 
> high as I have seen.  I have seen meters that consistently read 1.7 on 
> good or new GPs, so you have to learn your meter's idiosyncrasies, unless 
> you have a very expensive ($500+) meter.
> 
> 
> You guys edit this to make this an all purpose troubleshooting formula 
> for non start or slow start Diesels.
>> Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>> December 26, 2016 at 8:42 AM
>> No. i probably didn't explain the chronology very well.
>> 
>> 1,. Tried to start it - had to crank excessively to get it to finally 
>> start - .
>> 
>> 2.  After excessive cranking it started 

Re: [MBZ] 124 HEADLIGHT WIRES

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

while searching for a replacement GP Relay, I came across these 
Headlight Connector repair kits - no idea of the quality = 
http://www.germanautoparts.com/Mercedes/1991/3309/7/17187/0



On 12/27/2016 12:04 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
Yes, don't use the OEM sockets, buy a replacement, they are both 
common and cheap.  They are much heavier than the OEM and the wires 
are as well.


Did that on the "new" 300D, had been replaced but twisted together and 
not soldered, so they got hot and burned the wires again.


The factory ones are too light, for some reason.  Usually Benz is 
pretty good with electricals.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Kaleb, do you have any replacement GP Relays?  and access to 2 or 3 day 
shipping?


LarryT


On 12/26/2016 2:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Turn key on, go to engine compartment, wait for a minute and you will hear glow 
plug relay kick off. Very simple. If you have fuel bubbling out of the loose 
lines this is not your problem. Start by seeing if glow plug relay is clicking 
on and off. If not, replace it.

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On Dec 26, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

While waiting for my wife to get home I thought I'd try bleeding the fuel lines but 
it's going to have to wait for my wife to get here.  I loosened all 5 and cranked 
it over &  I have fuel leaking through the loose fittings but cannot tell if it 
is flowing or bubbling, so I'm not sure the air is all out.

My disability makes it too hard for me to move from the ignition switch to the 
engine to check the GP's.I'm just not fast enough anymore.  ;-(

BTW - I recall the relay being on the Leading side of the Left Front Inner 
Fender - is that right, just behind the ABS unit?  There is a nut on the 
inboard side and another on the outboard side, right?

There's one more thing nagging at me - when cranking I noticed it seemed to be 
spinning over very freely!  Scary feeling I must admit.I hope I don't have 
any broken rings or burned valves!  But I come back to the MPG's which I 
checked at every fill up and I have been getting a solid 30MPG +/- 2 mpg's - 
that's been checked for as long as we have owned it - roughly 10 years.   I'm 
saying my prayer it's not the engine.   Otherwise I might have to accept 
Dwight's $500 offer!

Thanks for the help gang!

LarryT






On 12/26/2016 10:50 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
Thanks Curley!!



On 12/26/2016 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Basics:

0. put the charger on the battery to recharge/maintain it during a lot of 
cranking.

1.  Crack the fuel line(s) then crank to make sure you have fuel delivery.  
About 720º degrees rotation  on the crank should be enough.  If you need to 
bleed the system, more cranking is needed.

2.  If fuel is being delivered to the nozzles, Then proceed to electrical checks

3.  Key on to glow position, check for 12V at each GP.  Be careful not to short 
the probe to ground.  You may need a couple of glow cycles to complete this.  A 
helper to turn the key to glow/off makes it easier.

4.  Pull off the cover from the GP relay, pull the plug to the GPs.  If 0V on 
step 3, turn key go to glow and check for 12V on the relay at the terminals for 
the GP wires.  If 0V, replace fuses first, if present.  Otherwise, replace GP 
relay.
(a further test is possible to make sure the key is delivering juice to the 
relay to turn  on the relay.  Consult wiring diagram for this info)  If a fuse 
is present, it is generally a fuse problem.  if a new fuse does not fix it, and 
GP, GP wires are good, it is almost always a bad relay.

5.  If all used relay pins are delivering 12V to the wiring harness to the GPs, 
turn the multimeter to the lowest ohm reading you have. check meter for zero.  
If you can't get 0, offet your reading by the static amount.  Check the used 
sockets in the plug on the GP harness between one socket and ground. Book value 
is 1.4 ohms.  0 ohms is a open plug, replace it. over 1.7 ohms os a bad plug, 
replace it, if you are sure your meter is reading correctly.  It takes a good 
meter to read 1.4 ohms.   with a cheap ($10 HF) meter it is 0 or infinity, so 
if you get something near 0 ohms, you assume it is good; infinity indicates it 
is an open circuit, replace the plug.  GPs usually fail open.  A GP with say 
2.4 ohms reading is on its way out and needs to be replaced.  2.4 is about as 
high as I have seen.  I have seen meters that consistently read 1.7 on good or 
new GPs, so you have to learn your meter's idiosyncrasies, unless you have a 
very expensive ($500+) meter.


You guys edit this to make this an all purpose troubleshooting formula for non 
start or slow start Diesels.

Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 26, 2016 at 8:42 AM
No. i probably didn't explain the chronology very well.

1,. Tried to start it - had to crank excessively to get it to finally start - .

2.  After excessive cranking it started running very rough - exactly like it 
would be when 1 or 2 GPs go dead..  (After your question about the dash light I 
recalled it being illuminated while the car was running.)

3. During this start up episode I noticed lots of white smoke from the exhaust 
pipe.

4 Since I had 5 new GPs on the shelf I jumped in to R the GP probably 
too quickly.

5 After replacing the GPs I tried to start it and it just cranked over.   Since 
I had removed the fuel lines to get access to the GPs, I failed to bleed them 
after re-installation.

6 My next step will be to bleed the air from the fuel lines then try to start 
it once more.

7. I will do 

Re: [MBZ] 124 HEADLIGHT WIRES

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Speaking of Deoxit, is that a replacement for Dielectric Grease, or 
should both be used, or just one.  I have both, and usually put a thin 
layer of Dielectric on all connections.  I guess I am saying I need to 
know what situation calls for Deoxit and when should I use Dielectric?


Thanks,

LarryT  (sorry for the long winded question) ;-)


On 12/26/2016 11:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
About a year ago, I salvaged new wires out of a junker to replace the 
melted plug on the right headlight of the 124 300D (1987)  Now, the 
"new" wire is burned again. I know this is a common problem, but has 
anyone found other solutions for a more permanent fix.  I know herr 
Stern will sell high watt lights, relays, wires, plugs, etc for 
whatever the going price is ($500 or $600)  I don't want to spend that 
much money on what now is a $1000 car.  I don't even want to spend the 
$100 or so on the new wire and plug fromth  MB when I can find used 
ones for much less.


In the meantime, I salvaged another wire from a busted up light, and a 
rt and left headlight assembly; rt with a very old headlight door and 
left with no headlight door.  So, I have options.  wire or whole 
assembly.


Would it do any good to also replace the bulb?  Last year I believe I 
reused the same bulb.  At any rate, it was a used bub, not a new 
one.   MY thinking is new bub=shiny pins .: less resistance .: less 
heat buildup.


and a shot of deoxit while plugging and unplugging the old 
bub...before installing with a new bub.


Any ideas?

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Re: [MBZ] Free Chilton's Repair Manuals

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Dwight wrote:



Cleaning out the last bits of my automotive literature
collection. Anyone  use a Chilton's Chevrolet? GMC Trucks?
Covers Jimmys and Blazers; also Suburban.
Free for shipping.


What years?  If newer than 1990 I have no use for them.

And I have one - 1980-1987.  The number on the spine is 8577.  I
don't need another one.  But if what you have is different, I'm
interested.

In another post I see you say it's 88-90.

Just the one, general manual?  Does it cover the diesel engine?

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