Re: [MBZ] bushings pliers

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

SOL or findanother source.

Or, do like I do and put them in the hard way.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 9:49 PM
What's it mean if KTC doesn't have any KTC-MBZ1062 pliers to sell?
https://shop.ktcautotools.com/products/10-transmission-bushings-repair-installer-plier


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Re: [MBZ] bushings pliers

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 15 May 2017 22:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> What's it mean if KTC doesn't have any KTC-MBZ1062 pliers to sell?
> https://shop.ktcautotools.com/products/10-transmission-bushings-repair-installer-plier

That the tremendous demand has out-stripped the factory's production
capabilities?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

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> On May 15, 2017 at 9:46 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That's one way to get more range from a pure electric.  Make it waterproof, 
> add a larger generator to recharge the car's batteries while pushing, maybe 
> you could sell that in hurricane country.

My first thought was to put a 2" hitch on it, with one of those cargo trays, 
and set a 11hp generator on the tray. Then I found out that you can't power up 
a modern EV and drive it if there's anything plugged into the charge jack. A 
pity, because a series hybrid would be the simplest way to extend the range.

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Re: [MBZ] bushings pliers

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What's it mean if KTC doesn't have any KTC-MBZ1062 pliers to sell?
https://shop.ktcautotools.com/products/10-transmission-bushings-repair-installer-plier

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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

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On Mon, 15 May 2017 20:57:37 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> at the point you add  and evil fossil fuel burning monster trailer, it 
> is no longer "pure  electric."

Which it never was, anyway ...


Craig

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[MBZ] bushings pliers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I am sure I have seen them cheaper.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Long-Transmission-Bushing-Repair-Pliers-Mercedes-BMW-Ford-/252939032824?hash=item3ae45758f8:g:e2oAAOSwAYtWQZJh



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[MBZ] people don't really buy these do they?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/252939123955?hash=item3ae458bcf3:g:BewAAOSwAANY8WGM=mtr


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[MBZ] Finny

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

This is like the one I used to have except mine was white, and had the 
proper seat covers.  Its a shame I got rid of it before doing anything 
with it.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-sedan-/172676811403?hash=item2834570a8b:g:ezsAAOSw~FJZEMLl=mtr



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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

at the point you add  and evil fossil fuel burning monster trailer, it 
is no longer "pure  electric."



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 8:46 PM
That's one way to get more range from a pure electric. Make it 
waterproof, add a larger generator to recharge the car's batteries 
while pushing, maybe you could sell that in hurricane country.


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[MBZ] I popped too many pills this weekend

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's one way to get more range from a pure electric.  Make it waterproof, add 
a larger generator to recharge the car's batteries while pushing, maybe you 
could sell that in hurricane country.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 15, 2017 9:33:04 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>When I was shopping for EVs last summer/fall, I actually gave serious
>consideration to buying a Ninja 250R (there was one on CL for a very
>good price), having a trail-a-bike style tow attachment shipped to the
>car dealer, and riding the Ninja to where the car was and paying a
>hitch shop to put a 2" hitch on the EV so I could push it home with the
>motorcycle. 
>
>http://insideevs.com/explained-mitsubishi-miev-range-extender-story/
>
>Mitch 
>
>
>> On May 15, 2017 at 4:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A power trailer for long trips. I remember seeing somewhere that
>somebody had done it I just can't recall where...
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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

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Or 750 anyway.

On May 15, 2017 4:47 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> But, is is in CA, and people in CA have more disposable income.
>
> THey'd have to spend another $1500 to get Dan's former  300D to CA.
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> May 15, 2017 at 3:41 PM
>> There’s obviously a bidding war going on here… That is NOT a $10k car.
>>
>> -D
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

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You dont need mbca to have a cars and coffee. A friend from england has a
run what you brung #oddsquad car event every wednesday and they get a lot
of nice iron. It is on instagram and maybe facebook and that is all the
publicity they need to keep it going.

On May 15, 2017 1:26 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I’ve railed about this enough times everyone knows where i stand on the
> club.  Pierre is the regional director now, but I don’t see him doing
> anything to change stuff that I know of.  Scott Sits, a long time MBCA guy
> and former regional director, made a real effort to get more car related
> events into the calendar, but the locals kept their thumb on his efforts
> and eventually ran him out.
>
> I would gladly go to a “Cars and Coffee” or a DIY event, even if it was
> populated with old farts.  Nothing remotely involving such an activity down
> here, never has been and probably never will be as long as the club
> governing members keep their wrinkly old hands on the chapter.
>
> As I said previously, they keep everything at one dealer that’s convenient
> to them, won’t go anywhere else in the area for meetings, and even refused
> a DIY event my dealer offered to sponsor gratis.
>
> They suck.
>
> -D
>
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Our local section is having a DIY at the Mercedes dealer in Tysons
> Corner this Saturday.  Hope they get a good showing from the hands-on old
> f*rts, I mean stalwarts.
> >
> > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > That’s my chapter.
> >
> > Want to have a car related event, like a coffee and cars or a track
> event?  Forget it.  Want to do wine and cheese or go antique shopping?
> You’re in.
> >
> > A total waste.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 15, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > I guess it was just a sample issue I saw but still looks like mostly
> tea and crumpets
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On May 15, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'm a member
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On May 15, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Anybody here still a member? I was for many years, but have not been
> in at least 10 years probably. I happened upon their website and noticed
> you can view issues of the Star online, so what is the point of paying? In
> looking at the current issue I see the president is Terry Kiwala. That's a
> blast from the past.
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

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> On May 15, 2017 at 12:39 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> +1   which is why i believe they should have a noisemaker.

Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkT8rZj8YH0

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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 8:19 PM
Not sure about the hybrids, but in a really efficient electric 
(SparkEV), a regenerative stop puts enough juice in the battery to get 
80% of the original kinetic energy from the drivetrain. I think 80% is 
very good, but you're still better off coasting to a stop than using 
engine braking.

Mitch.


And all completely neglecting the energy loss in extracting energy to 
generate the Lektricity, losses in generation, losses in transmission 
etc, to put the Lektrjuicity in the Spark EEV.

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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When I was shopping for EVs last summer/fall, I actually gave serious 
consideration to buying a Ninja 250R (there was one on CL for a very good 
price), having a trail-a-bike style tow attachment shipped to the car dealer, 
and riding the Ninja to where the car was and paying a hitch shop to put a 2" 
hitch on the EV so I could push it home with the motorcycle. 

http://insideevs.com/explained-mitsubishi-miev-range-extender-story/

Mitch 


> On May 15, 2017 at 4:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> A power trailer for long trips. I remember seeing somewhere that somebody had 
> done it I just can't recall where...

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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Really? That kind of proximity to the Mothership (for now) and you have a lame 
section?

Don't answer that - I don't want to put you on the spot.

And note the comment in the calendar about how as soon as business meetings are 
over they go to a local restaurant.

-D

> On May 15, 2017, at 9:06 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Your section has meetings?  Wow...
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> We discussed that some years back. Scott was all for it, but to be honest
>> I didn’t have the time to devote to it in order to make it successful.
>> 
>> As I’ve said before the existing chapter has a small core of devotees who
>> pretty much windmill through the board positions.  It’s a purely social
>> club for them and nothing else, for that matter, I would venture you could
>> change the marque and they wouldn’t care.  They hold meetings close to home
>> at Crown MB in St. Pete, which is nearly 90 minutes from my house, to which
>> I would gladly travel it there was some impetus to do so.  There are now
>> five dealers in our area, most if not all I would expect would welcome
>> having the club membership come by for whatever reason.  Suggestions that
>> we hold meetings in alternate locations were summarily dismissed, despite
>> the likelihood that doing so would increase membership, which was also
>> pointed out during the discussion.
>> 
>> Here are dealerships in a 50 mile radius from downtown Tampa:
>> 
>> https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/dealers/locator?
>> radius=25=true=byZip#!layout=/
>> dealers/locator=DEALERS=25&
>> expandRadius=false=byZip=33601
>> 
>> Section web site - note the events listed and how many of them are car
>> related….see any driving events or tech sessions?  Also note the age of the
>> members in the photos.  See any people who appear to be under 50?
>> 
>> https://tampabay.mbca.org
>> 
>> I rest my case.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 May 15, 2017 at 3:25 PM
 
 As I said previously, they keep everything at one dealer that’s
>> convenient to them, won’t go anywhere else in the area for meetings, and
>> even refused a DIY event my dealer offered to sponsor gratis.
 
 They suck.
 
 -D
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Finnie from The Land of Cheddar

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That would keep him busy a while.

That trim is all wrong.  Some kind of flaps glue on stuff, and missing 
the underdoor  trim makes it look really weird.



Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 5:52 PM
https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/6131850263.html

A project for Dan the Finnie Man.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Not sure about the hybrids, but in a really efficient electric (SparkEV), a 
regenerative stop puts enough juice in the battery to get 80% of the original 
kinetic energy from the drivetrain. I think 80% is very good, but you're still 
better off coasting to a stop than using engine braking. 
Mitch. 

> On May 15, 2017 at 7:05 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> In lala land, everything is 100% efficient
> 
> In the real world, in a hybrid, you have a gasoline engine that is ~30% 
> efficient, batteries are what? 80%, Lektrick motors, similar, Lektrick 
> controls, similar losses.  cumulative energy loss is not so pretty.

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Re: [MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, listed while high on cocaine.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Possible BATmobile?
Euro, low miles...
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

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Your section has meetings?  Wow...



On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We discussed that some years back. Scott was all for it, but to be honest
> I didn’t have the time to devote to it in order to make it successful.
>
> As I’ve said before the existing chapter has a small core of devotees who
> pretty much windmill through the board positions.  It’s a purely social
> club for them and nothing else, for that matter, I would venture you could
> change the marque and they wouldn’t care.  They hold meetings close to home
> at Crown MB in St. Pete, which is nearly 90 minutes from my house, to which
> I would gladly travel it there was some impetus to do so.  There are now
> five dealers in our area, most if not all I would expect would welcome
> having the club membership come by for whatever reason.  Suggestions that
> we hold meetings in alternate locations were summarily dismissed, despite
> the likelihood that doing so would increase membership, which was also
> pointed out during the discussion.
>
> Here are dealerships in a 50 mile radius from downtown Tampa:
>
> https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/dealers/locator?
> radius=25=true=byZip#!layout=/
> dealers/locator=DEALERS=25&
> expandRadius=false=byZip=33601
>
> Section web site - note the events listed and how many of them are car
> related….see any driving events or tech sessions?  Also note the age of the
> members in the photos.  See any people who appear to be under 50?
>
> https://tampabay.mbca.org
>
> I rest my case.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> May 15, 2017 at 3:25 PM
> >>
> >> As I said previously, they keep everything at one dealer that’s
> convenient to them, won’t go anywhere else in the area for meetings, and
> even refused a DIY event my dealer offered to sponsor gratis.
> >>
> >> They suck.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
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[MBZ] Don't Be An Athol,

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

…go pick up these parts!

https://worcester.craigslist.org/zip/6133249496.html

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We discussed that some years back. Scott was all for it, but to be honest I 
didn’t have the time to devote to it in order to make it successful.

As I’ve said before the existing chapter has a small core of devotees who 
pretty much windmill through the board positions.  It’s a purely social club 
for them and nothing else, for that matter, I would venture you could change 
the marque and they wouldn’t care.  They hold meetings close to home at Crown 
MB in St. Pete, which is nearly 90 minutes from my house, to which I would 
gladly travel it there was some impetus to do so.  There are now five dealers 
in our area, most if not all I would expect would welcome having the club 
membership come by for whatever reason.  Suggestions that we hold meetings in 
alternate locations were summarily dismissed, despite the likelihood that doing 
so would increase membership, which was also pointed out during the discussion.

Here are dealerships in a 50 mile radius from downtown Tampa:

https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/dealers/locator?radius=25=true=byZip#!layout=/dealers/locator=DEALERS=25=false=byZip=33601

Section web site - note the events listed and how many of them are car 
related….see any driving events or tech sessions?  Also note the age of the 
members in the photos.  See any people who appear to be under 50?

https://tampabay.mbca.org

I rest my case.

-D


> On May 15, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> May 15, 2017 at 3:25 PM
>> 
>> As I said previously, they keep everything at one dealer that’s convenient 
>> to them, won’t go anywhere else in the area for meetings, and even refused a 
>> DIY event my dealer offered to sponsor gratis.
>> 
>> They suck.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
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[MBZ] Euro 124 diesel, listed while high on cocaine.

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

1986 Mercedes 300D
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6131815752.html

via cPro for Craigslist
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[MBZ] 1991 Mercedes 300SE (GAS) $2900

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Looks pretty good and the price is fair, maybe poos can flip it for 6k on BAT

1991 Mercedes 300SE (GAS)
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6132453678.html

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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You are totally missing the point. Electric cars are new (again), so they
are cool and better than what is now old. Case closed. That's all there is
to it. New stuff creates more jobs while it's in the process of replacing
the old. (then there is a net loss of jobs due to the automation of
producing the new stuff, but we don't go there).

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In lala land, everything is 100% efficient
>
> In the real world, in a hybrid, you have a gasoline engine that is ~30%
> efficient, batteries are what? 80%, Lektrick motors, similar, Lektrick
> controls, similar losses.  cumulative energy loss is not so pretty.
>
> OK Don via Mercedes 
>> May 15, 2017 at 2:42 PM
>> We can burn the excess oil to produce electricity. The petroleum powered
>> generator feeding the motor/batteries would make long range electric
>> vehicles feasible (serial?).
>>
>>
>
>


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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[OK Don via Mercedes]

That's probably it:

*everything that you've been told is bad for you is in actuality, really
really GOOD for you. It's been shown time and again in the last 10 years .
. .*

*https://aleteia.org/2017/05/05/you-actually-would-die-without-your-coffee-research-says/*


On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Get checked out by your doc, maybe a blood sugar issue or something.  Not
> normal.  Maybe you need to drink more coffee?
>
> -
>
>
>


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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, we already knew he lives in lala land east.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM


Ooooh! Somebody has been drinking the Kool-Aide!

RB



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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

But, is is in CA, and people in CA have more disposable income.

THey'd have to spend another $1500 to get Dan's former  300D to CA.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 3:41 PM
There’s obviously a bidding war going on here… That is NOT a $10k car.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 3:35 PM
Most people live pretty boring lives and like it that way.
I was talking to a class a couple weeks ago about my loader adventure, 
and this was before I had done anything to it and I mentioned turkey 
hunting and the time Fred and Dwight and Dimitri and I put a head 
gasket in the 240D, on and on. The class was amazed, a big weekend for 
them is taking the dog for a walk and finding a new series on Netflix.

-Curt


And that pretty much sums up what is wrong with Merika.At least 
there are still a few who are not total couch potatoes.

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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Drink more coffee and get more sunlight.  5 cents please!  NEXT PATIENT

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> About a year ago
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 6:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Last time you have blood work and a physical?
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> No nothing like that. It's just lazy mostly, and if I don't get up and
> do
> >> something I have the haze.
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

About a year ago 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2017, at 6:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Last time you have blood work and a physical?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> No nothing like that. It's just lazy mostly, and if I don't get up and do
>> something I have the haze.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Get checked out by your doc, maybe a blood sugar issue or something.  Not
>>> normal.  Maybe you need to drink more coffee?
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I have my days when I really just don't have the energy or will to go
>> out
 and work on something and veg out in he house  and I feel like I am in a
 fog or something all day.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, so hurry up and sell some of your junk- err, cars

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sold $7400. Wow, the crack is still strong. You know this honey hole for
> people who pay way too much for cars will dry up one of these days.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Last time you have blood work and a physical?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No nothing like that. It's just lazy mostly, and if I don't get up and do
> something I have the haze.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Get checked out by your doc, maybe a blood sugar issue or something.  Not
> > normal.  Maybe you need to drink more coffee?
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have my days when I really just don't have the energy or will to go
> out
> >> and work on something and veg out in he house  and I feel like I am in a
> >> fog or something all day.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No nothing like that. It's just lazy mostly, and if I don't get up and do 
something I have the haze. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Get checked out by your doc, maybe a blood sugar issue or something.  Not
> normal.  Maybe you need to drink more coffee?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have my days when I really just don't have the energy or will to go out
>> and work on something and veg out in he house  and I feel like I am in a
>> fog or something all day.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I let my membership lapse years ago.  They used to have a somewhat active
forum, then they changed it to make it as bad as possible and nearly
impossible to use, and drove away most of the forum users.  That forum and
Marshall Booth were the only reasons I was a member.

Our local section would have a couple events every year, but usually they
were purely social.  I went to one, there was a really nice 126 parked by
the sign-in desk, I admired it and asked if it was a diesel.  The guy
behind the desk owned the car, when I mentioned a diesel engine he about
threw up on my shoes and went on a small tirade about how awful those
diesels were.  I was kinda shocked, realized that snobs were abounding, and
so I found the few members who actually turned their own wrenches and hung
with them.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Get checked out by your doc, maybe a blood sugar issue or something.  Not
normal.  Maybe you need to drink more coffee?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have my days when I really just don't have the energy or will to go out
> and work on something and veg out in he house  and I feel like I am in a
> fog or something all day.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In lala land, everything is 100% efficient

In the real world, in a hybrid, you have a gasoline engine that is ~30% 
efficient, batteries are what? 80%, Lektrick motors, similar, Lektrick 
controls, similar losses.  cumulative energy loss is not so pretty.



OK Don via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 2:42 PM
We can burn the excess oil to produce electricity. The petroleum powered
generator feeding the motor/batteries would make long range electric
vehicles feasible (serial?).



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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 3:25 PM

As I said previously, they keep everything at one dealer that’s 
convenient to them, won’t go anywhere else in the area for meetings, 
and even refused a DIY event my dealer offered to sponsor gratis.


They suck.

-D



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[MBZ] What tool for removing AC service valve core?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Dieselvolk,

A few weeks ago someone suggested this tool for removing the AC low
pressure service valve core so that I could install a new core.  The tool
doesn't work for my '95 E300 Diesel.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KITSMI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8=1

The working end of the tool does not fit over the needle in the middle of
the valve core, and there doesn't appear to be any raised part of the core
below the needle that a tool like this could turn.

How do I replace this valve?
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 2:55 PM
Solar and wind are growing almost exponentially. Cheaper than new coal.

with gazillions of taxpayer money to subsudize them.

How come the wogers of the world are dead set against any goobermnt 
support of ethanol, but 100% ignore the huge subsidies for oil, solar, 
wind, etc.?



Life in lala land is wunnerful, wunnerful!
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

if you want other kinds or articles, write them and send them in.  They 
have had a few articles about fin cars over the years.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 2:50 PM
I guess it was just a sample issue I saw but still looks like mostly 
tea and crumpets


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Re: [MBZ] Finnie from The Land of Cheddar

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

All the color and gloss of an unglazed brick...
Mitch. 
> On May 15, 2017 at 6:52 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/6131850263.html
>

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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Been a member 40 some years.  Last time I tried to find an article 
online to pass on to y'all, there was nothing there.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 2:22 PM
Anybody here still a member? I was for many years, but have not been 
in at least 10 years probably. I happened upon their website and 
noticed you can view issues of the Star online, so what is the point 
of paying? In looking at the current issue I see the president is 
Terry Kiwala. That's a blast from the past.


Sent from my iPhone



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[MBZ] Finnie from The Land of Cheddar

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/6131850263.html

A project for Dan the Finnie Man.

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have my days when I really just don't have the energy or will to go out and 
work on something and veg out in he house  and I feel like I am in a fog or 
something all day. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You know, that is interesting.  I really can't sit without doing something 
> (even at the computer...) so if I have the TV on in the evenings I am 
> reading.  i can't imagine sitting and watching football or golf all afternoon 
> long on a Saturday or Sunday.  I have too many projects I want to do.  I 
> really think a lot of people are really boring, they do not have 
> inquisitiveness or get enjoyment out of making or doing something (even 
> making your yard look nice on a weekend) to have an accomplishment.  I find 
> too that my friends are totally amazed I work on a car, or build something, 
> or make something.  I get it, but I don't understand it.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 5/15/17 4:35 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> Most people live pretty boring lives and like it that way.
>> 
>> I was talking to a class a couple weeks ago about my loader adventure, and 
>> this was before I had done anything to it and I mentioned turkey hunting and 
>> the time Fred and Dwight and Dimitri and I put a head gasket in the 240D, on 
>> and on. The class was amazed, a big weekend for them is taking the dog for a 
>> walk and finding a new series on Netflix.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> *To:* mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> *Cc:* Floyd Thursby 
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 4:30 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] Mbca
>> 
>> There was a Cadillac club in Houston, I went once and took my 76 Eldo.
>> It's kinda rough but ran well and was fun.  They were a bunch of old
>> farts sitting around drinking coffee and talking about pretty much
>> nothing, certainly not much to do with Cadillacs.  They spent just a few
>> minutes looking at the cars, most of them were not anything particularly
>> special, there were a few maybe 60s and 70s that were nice enough, but I
>> don't think many of the OFs had actually done much on them.  I was kinda
>> hoping to get knowledge of repairs or parts sources or something kinda
>> car-related, much like all you loosers provide, but it was just sitting
>> around drinking coffee.  I realized after I got home my dad would have
>> enjoyed it, kinda like the excitement of the living roof sofa ride of a
>> Cadillac going down the road.  That's what the OFs reminded me of, about
>> as exciting as the living room sofa.
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

When I do things on the weekend like most people do, such as Netflix, or going 
shopping or to a movie or something, I feel like I am wasting a day.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Most people live pretty boring lives and like it that way.
> I was talking to a class a couple weeks ago about my loader adventure, and 
> this was before I had done anything to it and I mentioned turkey hunting and 
> the time Fred and Dwight and Dimitri and I put a head gasket in the 240D, on 
> and on. The class was amazed, a big weekend for them is taking the dog for a 
> walk and finding a new series on Netflix.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mbca
> 
> There was a Cadillac club in Houston, I went once and took my 76 Eldo.  
> It's kinda rough but ran well and was fun.  They were a bunch of old 
> farts sitting around drinking coffee and talking about pretty much 
> nothing, certainly not much to do with Cadillacs.  They spent just a few 
> minutes looking at the cars, most of them were not anything particularly 
> special, there were a few maybe 60s and 70s that were nice enough, but I 
> don't think many of the OFs had actually done much on them.  I was kinda 
> hoping to get knowledge of repairs or parts sources or something kinda 
> car-related, much like all you loosers provide, but it was just sitting 
> around drinking coffee.  I realized after I got home my dad would have 
> enjoyed it, kinda like the excitement of the living roof sofa ride of a 
> Cadillac going down the road.  That's what the OFs reminded me of, about 
> as exciting as the living room sofa.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 5/15/17 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> That’s my chapter.
>> 
>> Want to have a car related event, like a coffee and cars or a track event?  
>> Forget it.  Want to do wine and cheese or go antique shopping?  You’re in.
>> 
>> A total waste.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess it was just a sample issue I saw but still looks like mostly tea 
>>> and crumpets
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 15, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 I'm a member
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On May 15, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anybody here still a member? I was for many years, but have not been in 
> at least 10 years probably. I happened upon their website and noticed you 
> can view issues of the Star online, so what is the point of paying? In 
> looking at the current issue I see the president is Terry Kiwala. That's 
> a blast from the past.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Sold $7400. Wow, the crack is still strong. You know this honey hole for people 
who pay way too much for cars will dry up one of these days.

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> On May 15, 2017, at 3:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> $6700?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On May 15, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> With 33 minutes left we're over $5k.
>> 
>> I am hereby extending a second guess to one and all.  My new prediction is
>> $7100..
>> 
>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hasn't budged yet.  The tension is building...
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 $5500.
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Wonder if there will be a flurry of bids as the auction nears its end.
> Anybody wanting to hazard a guess?  I'm thinking $3750 by closing, with
 the
> reserve not met.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

One of my British coworkers was bemoaning spending £1000 getting the brakes 
redone, I casually mentioned I need to do the fronts on the Golf, I did the 
rears last year. He was astonished.
I didn't run his nose in it by telling him I'll be into it about $500 and I did 
the calipers in the rear...

Curt

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  On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes wrote:   You know, that is interesting.  I 
really can't sit without doing 
something (even at the computer...) so if I have the TV on in the 
evenings I am reading.  i can't imagine sitting and watching football or 
golf all afternoon long on a Saturday or Sunday.  I have too many 
projects I want to do.  I really think a lot of people are really 
boring, they do not have inquisitiveness or get enjoyment out of making 
or doing something (even making your yard look nice on a weekend) to 
have an accomplishment.  I find too that my friends are totally amazed I 
work on a car, or build something, or make something.  I get it, but I 
don't understand it.

--FT


On 5/15/17 4:35 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Most people live pretty boring lives and like it that way.
>
> I was talking to a class a couple weeks ago about my loader adventure, 
> and this was before I had done anything to it and I mentioned turkey 
> hunting and the time Fred and Dwight and Dimitri and I put a head 
> gasket in the 240D, on and on. The class was amazed, a big weekend for 
> them is taking the dog for a walk and finding a new series on Netflix.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> 
> *From:* Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> *To:* mercedes@okiebenz.com
> *Cc:* Floyd Thursby 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 4:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] Mbca
>
> There was a Cadillac club in Houston, I went once and took my 76 Eldo.
> It's kinda rough but ran well and was fun.  They were a bunch of old
> farts sitting around drinking coffee and talking about pretty much
> nothing, certainly not much to do with Cadillacs.  They spent just a few
> minutes looking at the cars, most of them were not anything particularly
> special, there were a few maybe 60s and 70s that were nice enough, but I
> don't think many of the OFs had actually done much on them.  I was kinda
> hoping to get knowledge of repairs or parts sources or something kinda
> car-related, much like all you loosers provide, but it was just sitting
> around drinking coffee.  I realized after I got home my dad would have
> enjoyed it, kinda like the excitement of the living roof sofa ride of a
> Cadillac going down the road.  That's what the OFs reminded me of, about
> as exciting as the living room sofa.

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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It's reality in my area, every third house has PV now, ten years ago there was 
zero...

C

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  On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes wrote:   On 15/05/2017 2:55 PM, Andrew 
Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Solar and wind are growing almost exponentially.  Cheaper than new coal.
>

Ooooh! Somebody has been drinking the Kool-Aide!

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You know, that is interesting.  I really can't sit without doing 
something (even at the computer...) so if I have the TV on in the 
evenings I am reading.  i can't imagine sitting and watching football or 
golf all afternoon long on a Saturday or Sunday.  I have too many 
projects I want to do.  I really think a lot of people are really 
boring, they do not have inquisitiveness or get enjoyment out of making 
or doing something (even making your yard look nice on a weekend) to 
have an accomplishment.  I find too that my friends are totally amazed I 
work on a car, or build something, or make something.  I get it, but I 
don't understand it.


--FT


On 5/15/17 4:35 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Most people live pretty boring lives and like it that way.

I was talking to a class a couple weeks ago about my loader adventure, 
and this was before I had done anything to it and I mentioned turkey 
hunting and the time Fred and Dwight and Dimitri and I put a head 
gasket in the 240D, on and on. The class was amazed, a big weekend for 
them is taking the dog for a walk and finding a new series on Netflix.


-Curt



*From:* Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
*To:* mercedes@okiebenz.com
*Cc:* Floyd Thursby 
*Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 4:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MBZ] Mbca

There was a Cadillac club in Houston, I went once and took my 76 Eldo.
It's kinda rough but ran well and was fun.  They were a bunch of old
farts sitting around drinking coffee and talking about pretty much
nothing, certainly not much to do with Cadillacs.  They spent just a few
minutes looking at the cars, most of them were not anything particularly
special, there were a few maybe 60s and 70s that were nice enough, but I
don't think many of the OFs had actually done much on them.  I was kinda
hoping to get knowledge of repairs or parts sources or something kinda
car-related, much like all you loosers provide, but it was just sitting
around drinking coffee.  I realized after I got home my dad would have
enjoyed it, kinda like the excitement of the living roof sofa ride of a
Cadillac going down the road.  That's what the OFs reminded me of, about
as exciting as the living room sofa.


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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Where are the lights?

[MG via Mercedes]

Then you have overlooked something somewhere. Check the ground 
from the plug to the body ground and make sure you have power in 
the plug. Or bring it down here and I'll take a look at it. ;-)


clay via Mercedes wrote:
I have done the bypass and nothing.  




On May 14, 2017, at 7:19 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:

Bypass the rheostat. Even the full power dash lights are not bright enough to 
really see the instruments in the dark. Then if the light at the ends of the 
fiber optics don't work you may need to change the bulb where they all come 
together.

clay via Mercedes wrote:

I am having trouble getting the bulbs to behave in the cluster on Allen.
The things have never responded to the rheostat when I turned the headlights 
on.  The rest of the stuff is also not really making photons.  The fiber optic 
stuff does not seem to make light on the cluster, but the radio and ashtray 
light up.
I pulled the cluster a few days ago and gave it a test.  The rheostat is not 
working, as the spring unrolled and did not make decent contact anyway.  I used 
the multimeter to chase things.  Used 12v to see where electrons flowed.  They 
seemed to flow enough between ground and spots on the rheostat.  They flow 
across the ground strap on the cluster.  They flow well enough to put power to 
the ground and apply to the the spot on the board at the bulbs both light up.  
But, I can not figure out where the electrons are falling off.
Anybody ever have this happen? 


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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Somebody has been listening to fake news on the Trump network.

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> On 15/05/2017 2:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Solar and wind are growing almost exponentially.  Cheaper than new coal.
>>
>>
> Ooooh! Somebody has been drinking the Kool-Aide!
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This is the new cool thing to do.  It used to be making your own biodiesel
in the back yard.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:45 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I have a friend who has an early electric converted Miata with lead acid
> batteries. He's now looking for the batteries, charging, management, etc.
> stuff from a wrecked Prius or something to put in his Miata.
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > wrote:
>
> > I have been fascinated by people refurbishing the Prius' battery packs.
> > While you have to be pretty detail oriented to be successful at it, it's
> > well within the realm of a competent DIY'er.
> >
> > With a marginal battery pack their values seem to be pretty low, making
> > the acquisition costs somewhat reasonable with the costs to refurb
> > batteries.
> >
> > So who is going to become the list EV bottom feeder?
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On May 15, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Uhh I suspect that many, if not the majority of people have two cars
> > that the bank owns...With an electric car you'd almost certainly lease,
> if
> > you think about how far electric cars have come in the last 5 years it'd
> be
> > silly to buy one, the next generation which includes the cheap Tesla and
> > the Chevy Bolt are looking to be much better than the previous. I'll also
> > note how surprised (and pleased) I am to see Chevy out in front on this.
> > They really stumbled on the hybrid game coming late to the party with a
> car
> > that was poorly named that nobody understands. I know a couple people
> that
> > own a Volt and love them.
> > > We probably will look at an electric car for Angie in the future
> > depending on where my job prospects take us. For now its been more cost
> > effective for us to troll the bottom end of the diesel car market. Mostly
> > haven't done it because her car is really my backup car and because an
> > electric doesn't fit my commute. Also we don't have 220v in the garage
> > which would limit us to the slw 110v charger. I want 220v in the
> garage
> > for a better welder and compressor anyway, its already in the long term
> > plan.
> > > The Golf is absolutely not a smelly diesel, it does belch a little
> black
> > smoke on startup but once the turbo is spinning and the cat is warm it
> > makes kind of a pleasant odor very unlike a gas car or older diesel.
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> > > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
> > >
> > > for most folks, the "second car" is not a $$$,$$$ Lektrick, but it is
> > the old car that was replaced when a new car was acquired.  few people
> can
> > afford $400/500/mo car payments x 2.  Lektrick does not make economic
> sense
> > unless you do over 90% of driving within a 20  mile radius, as you say.
> If
> > it makes so much sense for SWMBO to drive one, why don't you have one
> > already in place of making her put up with a stinky, smelly old cheap
> > Diesel?   We already know the answer:  It is $!
> > >
> > >
> > >   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  May 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM  In a 2 car
> > household there is great opportunity for an electric car. Again using us
> as
> > an example an electric car doesn't fit my 120 mile round trip commute
> well
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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I predicted $7100 and the final (winning) bid was $7400.

There were 23 bids.



On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There’s obviously a bidding war going on here…  That is NOT a $10k car.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > $7000 ???
> >
> > My car was a far better deal.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On May 15, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I clicked the link just in time for a 19 second countdown. Somebody
> made a bid and it jumped back to 2:00. Must be hell watching it if you're a
> bidder, especially if you really want the car but have an appointment for
> something...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:18 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today
> >>
> >> Whoever bid $5005 may have called the bluff of other insane potential
> >> bidders.  Only 10 minutes left.
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> $6700?
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>
>  On May 15, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  With 33 minutes left we're over $5k.
> 
>  I am hereby extending a second guess to one and all.  My new
> prediction
> >>> is
>  $7100..
> 
>  On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> >>> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> 
> > Hasn't budged yet.  The tension is building...
> >
> > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> $5500.
> >>
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wonder if there will be a flurry of bids as the auction nears its
> end.
> >>> Anybody wanting to hazard a guess?  I'm thinking $3750 by closing,
> >>> with
> >> the
> >>> reserve not met.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 15/05/2017 2:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Solar and wind are growing almost exponentially.  Cheaper than new coal.



Ooooh! Somebody has been drinking the Kool-Aide!

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I have a friend who has an early electric converted Miata with lead acid
batteries. He's now looking for the batteries, charging, management, etc.
stuff from a wrecked Prius or something to put in his Miata.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> I have been fascinated by people refurbishing the Prius' battery packs.
> While you have to be pretty detail oriented to be successful at it, it's
> well within the realm of a competent DIY'er.
>
> With a marginal battery pack their values seem to be pretty low, making
> the acquisition costs somewhat reasonable with the costs to refurb
> batteries.
>
> So who is going to become the list EV bottom feeder?
>
> -D
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Uhh I suspect that many, if not the majority of people have two cars
> that the bank owns...With an electric car you'd almost certainly lease, if
> you think about how far electric cars have come in the last 5 years it'd be
> silly to buy one, the next generation which includes the cheap Tesla and
> the Chevy Bolt are looking to be much better than the previous. I'll also
> note how surprised (and pleased) I am to see Chevy out in front on this.
> They really stumbled on the hybrid game coming late to the party with a car
> that was poorly named that nobody understands. I know a couple people that
> own a Volt and love them.
> > We probably will look at an electric car for Angie in the future
> depending on where my job prospects take us. For now its been more cost
> effective for us to troll the bottom end of the diesel car market. Mostly
> haven't done it because her car is really my backup car and because an
> electric doesn't fit my commute. Also we don't have 220v in the garage
> which would limit us to the slw 110v charger. I want 220v in the garage
> for a better welder and compressor anyway, its already in the long term
> plan.
> > The Golf is absolutely not a smelly diesel, it does belch a little black
> smoke on startup but once the turbo is spinning and the cat is warm it
> makes kind of a pleasant odor very unlike a gas car or older diesel.
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
> >
> > for most folks, the "second car" is not a $$$,$$$ Lektrick, but it is
> the old car that was replaced when a new car was acquired.  few people can
> afford $400/500/mo car payments x 2.  Lektrick does not make economic sense
> unless you do over 90% of driving within a 20  mile radius, as you say.  If
> it makes so much sense for SWMBO to drive one, why don't you have one
> already in place of making her put up with a stinky, smelly old cheap
> Diesel?   We already know the answer:  It is $!
> >
> >
> >   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  May 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM  In a 2 car
> household there is great opportunity for an electric car. Again using us as
> an example an electric car doesn't fit my 120 mile round trip commute well
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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There’s obviously a bidding war going on here…  That is NOT a $10k car.

-D


> On May 15, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> $7000 ???
> 
> My car was a far better deal.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On May 15, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I clicked the link just in time for a 19 second countdown. Somebody made a 
>> bid and it jumped back to 2:00. Must be hell watching it if you're a bidder, 
>> especially if you really want the car but have an appointment for 
>> something...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today
>> 
>> Whoever bid $5005 may have called the bluff of other insane potential
>> bidders.  Only 10 minutes left.
>> 
>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> $6700?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 15, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 With 33 minutes left we're over $5k.
 
 I am hereby extending a second guess to one and all.  My new prediction
>>> is
 $7100..
 
 On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
>>> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
> Hasn't budged yet.  The tension is building...
> 
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> $5500.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Wonder if there will be a flurry of bids as the auction nears its end.
>>> Anybody wanting to hazard a guess?  I'm thinking $3750 by closing,
>>> with
>> the
>>> reserve not met.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a green euro 240d?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

And I've had as many broken manual windows as electric ones that needed to
be fixed. If it moves, it will break.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 14 May 2017 15:39:33 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > 1983 Mercedes 240D Diesel Sedan - 4 Speed
> > http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/6130476146.html
>
> "Manual sunroof and manual door locks, meaning less hassles."
>
> Someone hasn't fixed the vacuum locks ...
>
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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

$7000 ???

My car was a far better deal.

-D


> On May 15, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I clicked the link just in time for a 19 second countdown. Somebody made a 
> bid and it jumped back to 2:00. Must be hell watching it if you're a bidder, 
> especially if you really want the car but have an appointment for something...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today
> 
> Whoever bid $5005 may have called the bluff of other insane potential
> bidders.  Only 10 minutes left.
> 
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> $6700?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> With 33 minutes left we're over $5k.
>>> 
>>> I am hereby extending a second guess to one and all.  My new prediction
>> is
>>> $7100..
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
>> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hasn't budged yet.  The tension is building...
 
 On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> $5500.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Wonder if there will be a flurry of bids as the auction nears its end.
>> Anybody wanting to hazard a guess?  I'm thinking $3750 by closing,
>> with
> the
>> reserve not met.
>> 
>> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-300d-turbo/
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Most people live pretty boring lives and like it that way.
I was talking to a class a couple weeks ago about my loader adventure, and this 
was before I had done anything to it and I mentioned turkey hunting and the 
time Fred and Dwight and Dimitri and I put a head gasket in the 240D, on and 
on. The class was amazed, a big weekend for them is taking the dog for a walk 
and finding a new series on Netflix.
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mbca
   
There was a Cadillac club in Houston, I went once and took my 76 Eldo.  
It's kinda rough but ran well and was fun.  They were a bunch of old 
farts sitting around drinking coffee and talking about pretty much 
nothing, certainly not much to do with Cadillacs.  They spent just a few 
minutes looking at the cars, most of them were not anything particularly 
special, there were a few maybe 60s and 70s that were nice enough, but I 
don't think many of the OFs had actually done much on them.  I was kinda 
hoping to get knowledge of repairs or parts sources or something kinda 
car-related, much like all you loosers provide, but it was just sitting 
around drinking coffee.  I realized after I got home my dad would have 
enjoyed it, kinda like the excitement of the living roof sofa ride of a 
Cadillac going down the road.  That's what the OFs reminded me of, about 
as exciting as the living room sofa.

--FT


On 5/15/17 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> That’s my chapter.
>
> Want to have a car related event, like a coffee and cars or a track event?  
> Forget it.  Want to do wine and cheese or go antique shopping?  You’re in.
>
> A total waste.
>
> -D
>
>
>
>> On May 15, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I guess it was just a sample issue I saw but still looks like mostly tea and 
>> crumpets
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm a member
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On May 15, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:

 Anybody here still a member? I was for many years, but have not been in at 
 least 10 years probably. I happened upon their website and noticed you can 
 view issues of the Star online, so what is the point of paying? In looking 
 at the current issue I see the president is Terry Kiwala. That's a blast 
 from the past.

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[MBZ] crash stuff

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

who was looking for crash info?  This is not really data, just some 
actual crashes in the lab


https://gizmodo.com/why-spacex-wont-be-landing-its-rocket-tonight-1795224269


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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I clicked the link just in time for a 19 second countdown. Somebody made a bid 
and it jumped back to 2:00. Must be hell watching it if you're a bidder, 
especially if you really want the car but have an appointment for something...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today
   
Whoever bid $5005 may have called the bluff of other insane potential
bidders.  Only 10 minutes left.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> $6700?
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > With 33 minutes left we're over $5k.
> >
> > I am hereby extending a second guess to one and all.  My new prediction
> is
> > $7100..
> >
> > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hasn't budged yet.  The tension is building...
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> $5500.
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Max
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Wonder if there will be a flurry of bids as the auction nears its end.
>  Anybody wanting to hazard a guess?  I'm thinking $3750 by closing,
> with
> >>> the
>  reserve not met.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A power trailer for long trips. I remember seeing somewhere that somebody had 
done it I just can't recall where...
-Curt

  From: OK Don via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:42 PM
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We can burn the excess oil to produce electricity. The petroleum powered
generator feeding the motor/batteries would make long range electric
vehicles feasible (serial?).

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> Both countries are heavily investing in solar and wind powered generation.
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Rght!
> >
> > And pray tell, exactly WHERE  are all the new coal fired generating
> plants
> > being built?
> >
> > There is NO free lunch
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Representatives from oil and auto companies say that as millions in
> China
> >> and India switch to electric cars, demand for gasoline will decrease.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

There was a Cadillac club in Houston, I went once and took my 76 Eldo.  
It's kinda rough but ran well and was fun.  They were a bunch of old 
farts sitting around drinking coffee and talking about pretty much 
nothing, certainly not much to do with Cadillacs.  They spent just a few 
minutes looking at the cars, most of them were not anything particularly 
special, there were a few maybe 60s and 70s that were nice enough, but I 
don't think many of the OFs had actually done much on them.  I was kinda 
hoping to get knowledge of repairs or parts sources or something kinda 
car-related, much like all you loosers provide, but it was just sitting 
around drinking coffee.  I realized after I got home my dad would have 
enjoyed it, kinda like the excitement of the living roof sofa ride of a 
Cadillac going down the road.  That's what the OFs reminded me of, about 
as exciting as the living room sofa.


--FT


On 5/15/17 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That’s my chapter.

Want to have a car related event, like a coffee and cars or a track event?  
Forget it.  Want to do wine and cheese or go antique shopping?  You’re in.

A total waste.

-D




On May 15, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I guess it was just a sample issue I saw but still looks like mostly tea and 
crumpets

Sent from my iPhone


On May 15, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  wrote:

I'm a member

Sent from my iPhone


On May 15, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Anybody here still a member? I was for many years, but have not been in at 
least 10 years probably. I happened upon their website and noticed you can view 
issues of the Star online, so what is the point of paying? In looking at the 
current issue I see the president is Terry Kiwala. That's a blast from the past.

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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve railed about this enough times everyone knows where i stand on the club.  
Pierre is the regional director now, but I don’t see him doing anything to 
change stuff that I know of.  Scott Sits, a long time MBCA guy and former 
regional director, made a real effort to get more car related events into the 
calendar, but the locals kept their thumb on his efforts and eventually ran him 
out.

I would gladly go to a “Cars and Coffee” or a DIY event, even if it was 
populated with old farts.  Nothing remotely involving such an activity down 
here, never has been and probably never will be as long as the club governing 
members keep their wrinkly old hands on the chapter.

As I said previously, they keep everything at one dealer that’s convenient to 
them, won’t go anywhere else in the area for meetings, and even refused a DIY 
event my dealer offered to sponsor gratis.

They suck.

-D




> On May 15, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Our local section is having a DIY at the Mercedes dealer in Tysons Corner 
> this Saturday.  Hope they get a good showing from the hands-on old f*rts, I 
> mean stalwarts.
> 
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> That’s my chapter.
> 
> Want to have a car related event, like a coffee and cars or a track event?  
> Forget it.  Want to do wine and cheese or go antique shopping?  You’re in.
> 
> A total waste.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> > On May 15, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> > > wrote:
> >
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> >
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> >>> at least 10 years probably. I happened upon their website and noticed you 
> >>> can view issues of the Star online, so what is the point of paying? In 
> >>> looking at the current issue I see the president is Terry Kiwala. That's 
> >>> a blast from the past.
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Our local section is having a DIY at the Mercedes dealer in Tysons Corner
this Saturday.  Hope they get a good showing from the hands-on old f*rts, I
mean stalwarts.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s my chapter.
>
> Want to have a car related event, like a coffee and cars or a track
> event?  Forget it.  Want to do wine and cheese or go antique shopping?
> You’re in.
>
> A total waste.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I guess it was just a sample issue I saw but still looks like mostly tea
> and crumpets
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 15, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm a member
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> >>> On May 15, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
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> in at least 10 years probably. I happened upon their website and noticed
> you can view issues of the Star online, so what is the point of paying? In
> looking at the current issue I see the president is Terry Kiwala. That's a
> blast from the past.
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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Whoever bid $5005 may have called the bluff of other insane potential
bidders.  Only 10 minutes left.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> $6700?
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > With 33 minutes left we're over $5k.
> >
> > I am hereby extending a second guess to one and all.  My new prediction
> is
> > $7100..
> >
> > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hasn't budged yet.  The tension is building...
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> $5500.
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Max
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Wonder if there will be a flurry of bids as the auction nears its end.
>  Anybody wanting to hazard a guess?  I'm thinking $3750 by closing,
> with
> >>> the
>  reserve not met.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

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That’s my chapter.

Want to have a car related event, like a coffee and cars or a track event?  
Forget it.  Want to do wine and cheese or go antique shopping?  You’re in.

A total waste.

-D



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> 
> I guess it was just a sample issue I saw but still looks like mostly tea and 
> crumpets 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 15, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm a member 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anybody here still a member? I was for many years, but have not been in at 
>>> least 10 years probably. I happened upon their website and noticed you can 
>>> view issues of the Star online, so what is the point of paying? In looking 
>>> at the current issue I see the president is Terry Kiwala. That's a blast 
>>> from the past. 
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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

$6700?

-D


> On May 15, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> With 33 minutes left we're over $5k.
> 
> I am hereby extending a second guess to one and all.  My new prediction is
> $7100..
> 
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hasn't budged yet.  The tension is building...
>> 
>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> $5500.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Wonder if there will be a flurry of bids as the auction nears its end.
 Anybody wanting to hazard a guess?  I'm thinking $3750 by closing, with
>>> the
 reserve not met.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

With 33 minutes left we're over $5k.

I am hereby extending a second guess to one and all.  My new prediction is
$7100..

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Hasn't budged yet.  The tension is building...
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> $5500.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Wonder if there will be a flurry of bids as the auction nears its end.
>> > Anybody wanting to hazard a guess?  I'm thinking $3750 by closing, with
>> the
>> > reserve not met.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

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Yeah, provided you curl that pinkie.

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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

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Solar and wind are growing almost exponentially.  Cheaper than new coal.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 3:42 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
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> We can burn the excess oil to produce electricity. The petroleum powered
> generator feeding the motor/batteries would make long range electric
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>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> > > Rght!
> > >
> > > And pray tell, exactly WHERE  are all the new coal fired generating
> > plants
> > > being built?
> > >
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> > >
> > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

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I guess it was just a sample issue I saw but still looks like mostly tea and 
crumpets 

Sent from my iPhone

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>> least 10 years probably. I happened upon their website and noticed you can 
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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

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We can burn the excess oil to produce electricity. The petroleum powered
generator feeding the motor/batteries would make long range electric
vehicles feasible (serial?).

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Both countries are heavily investing in solar and wind powered generation.
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> > Rght!
> >
> > And pray tell, exactly WHERE  are all the new coal fired generating
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> >
> > There is NO free lunch
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
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> >> and India switch to electric cars, demand for gasoline will decrease.
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want a green euro 240d?

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> 
> 
> 1983 Mercedes 240D Diesel Sedan - 4 Speed
> http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/6130476146.html

"Manual sunroof and manual door locks, meaning less hassles."

Someone hasn't fixed the vacuum locks ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mbca

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I'm a member 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anybody here still a member? I was for many years, but have not been in at 
> least 10 years probably. I happened upon their website and noticed you can 
> view issues of the Star online, so what is the point of paying? In looking at 
> the current issue I see the president is Terry Kiwala. That's a blast from 
> the past. 
> 
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[MBZ] Mbca

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Anybody here still a member? I was for many years, but have not been in at 
least 10 years probably. I happened upon their website and noticed you can view 
issues of the Star online, so what is the point of paying? In looking at the 
current issue I see the president is Terry Kiwala. That's a blast from the 
past. 

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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Very nice!

RB

On 15/05/2017 1:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Balboa 20 (twenty feet long) sail boat, made in about 1973.  Has a swing
keel so it can be easily put onto a boat trailer.  Sailing on Charleston
harbor is such a joy, no better way to spend a summer day in my opinion.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


What sort of boat do you tow?



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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Balboa 20 (twenty feet long) sail boat, made in about 1973.  Has a swing
keel so it can be easily put onto a boat trailer.  Sailing on Charleston
harbor is such a joy, no better way to spend a summer day in my opinion.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What sort of boat do you tow?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

What sort of boat do you tow?

RB

On 15/05/2017 11:47 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Pretty much yes, in my Wagon.  Carries me to/from work, carries the family
on vacation, tows the boat.  Plenty of room to load up SWMBO, SWMBette, 2x
cats, a couple suitcases, and tow the boat behind during evacuation.

Distance is not the issue, it is time.  Just getting from Chucktown to
Columbia (about 110 miles) can take 12-24 hours, due to the unbelievable
traffic jam.  That's mostly spent at idle, AC blasting, waiting for the
line of cars to move.  I would imagine that an electric car would require 3
to 5 or more recharges in order to do that.

Yes, one generally has at least a few days warning, but that can happen
several times each summer (once we had EIGHT such warnings in a summer).
Jumping in the car and evacuating BEFORE the roads get clogged up into a
huge mess means that you'd probably be evacuating several times each
summer.  Not very realistic.

And yes, last I checked, folks died here in Chucktown when Floyd (the
hurricane) paid a visit, just like they died in N'olans (Bush's fault in
case anyone forgot).

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Again, you've got one car that fits all your needs?

How far do you bug out when a hurricane comes through? Don't you have days
of warning?

Lots of people don't have a car at all, they don't seem to just die.




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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Florida is majorly messed up when it comes to energy and utilities.

Until recently in Florida the only entities that could "sell" power were the 
utilities. This was how they squashed any attempts at net metering.  This has 
since been changed as of the election last year when an amendment to the state 
constitution was ratified by the voters, effectively ending the utilities' 
choke hold on the control of electrical power in the state.

They're still trying to screw us, the most recent effort being a bill that 
would have allowed them to charge rate payers for exploratory energy 
development efforts, whether or not they yielded results. In other words, rate 
payers would be on the hook for the cost to do exploratory drilling outside of 
Florida. If the efforts were unsuccessful, the rate payers would eat the costs.

Hardly an equitable arrangement for the rate payers. Nice if you're a 
stockholder, however 

-D

> On May 15, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just pump your PV power into the grid all day when the grid needs power the 
> most. Suck back off the grid at night when demand is lowest...
> If you can get net metering and get paid demand rate during the day when 
> rates are highest and then only pay slack rate at night you could come out 
> ahead.
> It just occured to me, one of the ways the utilities screw people with PV 
> arrays is they pay only wholesale rates to buy power off your array but 
> charge full residential rates when you use energy of the grid. They claim all 
> suppliers get paid the same rate. It seems like the counter argument to this 
> is that if I'm a wholesale supplier I should also be considered a wholesale 
> customer...
> Actually the prime way some utilities get to screw with people is that they 
> don't pay anything when you're spinning the meter backward. That way if you 
> end up with net production the utility gets it for free. One of them, I think 
> it was in Florida, claimed it wasn't possible to meter and pay people for net 
> production even though in other parts of the country, New England for 
> instance, its the standard.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
> 
> To me, an EV would make the most sense if you own a dedicated bank of solar 
> panels you could use to charge a spare battery(ies) during the day, then swap 
> out at night.  Does such a vehicle exist yet?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Just pump your PV power into the grid all day when the grid needs power the 
most. Suck back off the grid at night when demand is lowest...
If you can get net metering and get paid demand rate during the day when rates 
are highest and then only pay slack rate at night you could come out ahead.
It just occured to me, one of the ways the utilities screw people with PV 
arrays is they pay only wholesale rates to buy power off your array but charge 
full residential rates when you use energy of the grid. They claim all 
suppliers get paid the same rate. It seems like the counter argument to this is 
that if I'm a wholesale supplier I should also be considered a wholesale 
customer...
Actually the prime way some utilities get to screw with people is that they 
don't pay anything when you're spinning the meter backward. That way if you end 
up with net production the utility gets it for free. One of them, I think it 
was in Florida, claimed it wasn't possible to meter and pay people for net 
production even though in other parts of the country, New England for instance, 
its the standard.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
   
To me, an EV would make the most sense if you own a dedicated bank of solar 
panels you could use to charge a spare battery(ies) during the day, then swap 
out at night.  Does such a vehicle exist yet?
   
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

To me, an EV would make the most sense if you own a dedicated bank of solar
panels you could use to charge a spare battery(ies) during the day, then
swap out at night.  Does such a vehicle exist yet?

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Uhh I suspect that many, if not the majority of people have two cars that
> the bank owns...With an electric car you'd almost certainly lease, if you
> think about how far electric cars have come in the last 5 years it'd be
> silly to buy one, the next generation which includes the cheap Tesla and
> the Chevy Bolt are looking to be much better than the previous. I'll also
> note how surprised (and pleased) I am to see Chevy out in front on this.
> They really stumbled on the hybrid game coming late to the party with a car
> that was poorly named that nobody understands. I know a couple people that
> own a Volt and love them.
> We probably will look at an electric car for Angie in the future depending
> on where my job prospects take us. For now its been more cost effective for
> us to troll the bottom end of the diesel car market. Mostly haven't done it
> because her car is really my backup car and because an electric doesn't fit
> my commute. Also we don't have 220v in the garage which would limit us to
> the slw 110v charger. I want 220v in the garage for a better welder and
> compressor anyway, its already in the long term plan.
> The Golf is absolutely not a smelly diesel, it does belch a little black
> smoke on startup but once the turbo is spinning and the cat is warm it
> makes kind of a pleasant odor very unlike a gas car or older diesel.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
>
> for most folks, the "second car" is not a $$$,$$$ Lektrick, but it is the
> old car that was replaced when a new car was acquired.  few people can
> afford $400/500/mo car payments x 2.  Lektrick does not make economic sense
> unless you do over 90% of driving within a 20  mile radius, as you say.  If
> it makes so much sense for SWMBO to drive one, why don't you have one
> already in place of making her put up with a stinky, smelly old cheap
> Diesel?   We already know the answer:  It is $!
>
>
>Curt Raymond via Mercedes  May 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM  In a 2 car
> household there is great opportunity for an electric car. Again using us as
> an example an electric car doesn't fit my 120 mile round trip
> commute well (a Tesla would but not on the affordability front) but it does
> for my wife. In a bug-out situation we could of course revert to the more
> practical choice.
> What I don't understand about the whole thing is that the "electric cars
> aren't good" crowd seems to always rely on the "it doesn't work in every
> situation" argument which is clearly bogus thinking. An MB sedan is a
> lovely car but I can't put half a cord of firewood in it while towing my
> loader on a trailer behind it. You use the right machine for the job at
> hand...
> -Curt
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Still cheap - clean CA 300D auction ending today

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Hasn't budged yet.  The tension is building...

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> $5500.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Wonder if there will be a flurry of bids as the auction nears its end.
> > Anybody wanting to hazard a guess?  I'm thinking $3750 by closing, with
> the
> > reserve not met.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet mother of god this is the car I have been looking for

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

An attractive shade of green would be my first color choice, followed by a
few attractive shades of yellow that aren't too wishy-washy.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well back then I was switching cars once a year or sooner. By the time I
> was 18 I had already had 5 cars, in 2 years. So I guess it was more than
> once a year. I loved that 240d I just had cadd back then. Now days I still
> get lots of cars but don't sell them that often.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 12:14 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Really? I thought your first car was green - that's why you're lusting
> > after another of those ugly cars . . .
> >
> > Now think back, why did you get rid of that first automatic 240D car?
> Hmmm
> > . . . and how long will you be happy with  another one?
> >
> > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I will keep an eye on it and see how it goes. It's probably going to
> sell
> >> for more than I am willing to go. For comparison purposes I paid $5500
> in
> >> 91 for my first car which is identical to this one.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On May 15, 2017, at 4:16 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> But the seat would be trashed by the time you pick it up.
> >>>
> >>> I'm about an hour and a half away. Same for just about everyone else
> >> down here except for King John if you can find him. He's pretty close.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On May 15, 2017, at 12:58 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  I know a guy in Winter Haven, about an hour's drive away...
> 
> 
>  On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > My friend just left Lady Lake yesterday, got here in Michigan this
> > afternoon.
> > Oh, well, Orlando and Tampa airports aren't too far away, maybe Dan
> can
> > drive you there.
> >
> > Mitch.
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> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
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> who
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> > for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet mother of god this is the car I have been looking for

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well back then I was switching cars once a year or sooner. By the time I was 18 
I had already had 5 cars, in 2 years. So I guess it was more than once a year. 
I loved that 240d I just had cadd back then. Now days I still get lots of cars 
but don't sell them that often. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2017, at 12:14 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Really? I thought your first car was green - that's why you're lusting
> after another of those ugly cars . . .
> 
> Now think back, why did you get rid of that first automatic 240D car? Hmmm
> . . . and how long will you be happy with  another one?
> 
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I will keep an eye on it and see how it goes. It's probably going to sell
>> for more than I am willing to go. For comparison purposes I paid $5500 in
>> 91 for my first car which is identical to this one.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 4:16 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But the seat would be trashed by the time you pick it up.
>>> 
>>> I'm about an hour and a half away. Same for just about everyone else
>> down here except for King John if you can find him. He's pretty close.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On May 15, 2017, at 12:58 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I know a guy in Winter Haven, about an hour's drive away...
 
 
 On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> 
> My friend just left Lady Lake yesterday, got here in Michigan this
> afternoon.
> Oh, well, Orlando and Tampa airports aren't too far away, maybe Dan can
> drive you there.
> 
> Mitch.
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> 
> -- 
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> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Asian perspective on EVs and demand for gasoline

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Both countries are heavily investing in solar and wind powered generation.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Rght!
>
> And pray tell, exactly WHERE  are all the new coal fired generating plants
> being built?
>
> There is NO free lunch
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Representatives from oil and auto companies say that as millions in China
>> and India switch to electric cars, demand for gasoline will decrease.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet mother of god this is the car I have been looking for

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Really? I thought your first car was green - that's why you're lusting
after another of those ugly cars . . .

Now think back, why did you get rid of that first automatic 240D car? Hmmm
. . . and how long will you be happy with  another one?

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I will keep an eye on it and see how it goes. It's probably going to sell
> for more than I am willing to go. For comparison purposes I paid $5500 in
> 91 for my first car which is identical to this one.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 4:16 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > But the seat would be trashed by the time you pick it up.
> >
> > I'm about an hour and a half away. Same for just about everyone else
> down here except for King John if you can find him. He's pretty close.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On May 15, 2017, at 12:58 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I know a guy in Winter Haven, about an hour's drive away...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] O/T: Innovations, Old and New

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Well, it sounded like a cross between an organ and a group of strings -
like an organ, there is only one volume level. I'd guess that it is played
like an organ.

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> The Da Vinci machine sounds like an organ.
>
> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 9:32 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Both of them are very cool - thanks for sharing!
> >
> > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Listers:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A couple of interesting developments:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://aleteia.org/2017/05/12/after-500-years-leonardo-
> > > da-vincis-music-machine-is-brought-to-life/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://phys.org/news/2017-03-patents-waterlike-polymer-
> > > high-temperature-ceramics.html#nRlv
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
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> > for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> What I don't understand about the whole thing is that
> the "electric cars aren't good" crowd seems to always rely on
> the "it doesn't work in every situation" argument which is
> clearly bogus thinking. An MB sedan is a lovely car but I can't
> put half a cord of firewood in it while towing my loader on a
> trailer behind it. You use the right machine for the job at
> hand... 

True.

But the pro-electric crowd is touting "electric for everything" -
so is guilty of the same error.

I very much do NOT live in a city - but I can't think of anyone I
know personally that would be able to only have electric cars and
not also have to noticeable change their lifestyle.  

However, many could benefit from including an electric.  But that
means multiple cars.  Believe it or not, not everyone has a yard
full of cars. *grin*

And from what I can tell, a well used electric is not a bargain as
it is ripe for an expensive battery replacement.  A 10-15 year old
liquid fuel car is much cheaper than new and still can have a lot
of life left.  I don't see that economic model working for
electrics...

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Re: [MBZ] mechanic or knacker in greenville SC

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes. T-boned caving passenger doors in, but drives. Only 74k miles! I will
probably just put it on a truck.

Thanks,
Karl

On May 15, 2017 8:49 AM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I don't.  Is this a Benz?  My daughter in Spartanburg (not far away) could
> ask the Benz indy she has been talking to recently.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 5/15/17 7:01 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Anybody know a mechanic in Greenville SC who could pull a motor and ship
>> it
>> to me?
>>
>> On May 14, 2017 2:07 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, it IS 117 years old!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb
>> Striplin via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 2:05 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin
>> Subject: [MBZ] Worth at least $17k on BAT
>>
>>
>>
>> old mercedes
>> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6122017157.html
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Lektrick cahs in hurricanes Was: Bad news for Dan

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A dead car is a dead car, how would  a dead electric car be worse?
The devastated parts of New Orleans that will never come back probably 
shouldn't have been built on in the first place. Anywhere built below sea level 
is going to flood and its going to flood repeatedly no matter what we do. We 
can stay water for awhile but its not a long term solution.
My point was that by Max's reasoning everybody without a car dies in a flood 
and that is obviously not true. I know I'm not going to change anybody's mind 
about this so we'll just wait 10 years and see how many electric cars there 
are. Considering that 10 years ago I almost never saw an electric car outside 
of events specifically for them and today I see one pretty much every week I 
expect in 10 years for them to be fairly common, maybe 20-25% of the total 
fleet.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:55 PM
 Subject: Lektrick cahs in hurricanes Was: Bad news for Dan
   
There are families of 1,245 people who (officially) died in hurricane 
Katrina and subsequent floods who would argue with you.    At that, 
Katrina was only the third deadliest United States hurricane.  Overall, 
it was a much bigger deal than the collapse of the WTC buildings.

People evacuated to as far as 1000  miles away  or more, and here, 1000 
miles away, we had significant rain and wind from the remains of 
Katrina.  I would take my rusty SDL 100 times over a Lektrick car in 
the event of being in the way of the next big hurricane.  You don't 
understand the amount of traffic needed to evacuate.  They made 4 land 
roads one way and still the traffic jams caused significant delays, 
accidents and surely deaths not attributed to the hurricane.

Now, 11 years after, most of the area devastated by katrina is still 
barren.  We are talk about probably 97% still not rebuilt.

In an evacuation even, when the battery is dry, you would be on foot, a 
hobo or hobo family, caught in days of torrential rains.  You could 
probably sirvive that, but how many of your neighbors could.

During the katrina evac, filling stations quickly ran out of gas, and 
cars ran out of gas on the road and blocked traffic.  Lektrik cars would 
be far worse.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Lots of people don't have a car at all, they don't seem to just die.
> -Curt



   
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Re: [MBZ] Dan - OM606 IP o-ring part #s??

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Nope. IP was replaced a few thousand miles ago, as were injectors and all the 
related lines. There is a return line that's wet so I'm replacing that, but 
nothing else.  No need to touch any of that stuff.

-D

> On May 15, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK thanks, I guess I thought you were going to replace all the o-rings on
> the fuel injection pump fuel line connections when you had the manifold off.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I was getting all of the breather hoses and fittings.  If you want that
>> list I'll post it.
>> 
>> You can look up stuff here:
>> 
>> http://mb-teilekatalog.info/
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dan,
>>> 
>>> Mind sharing the part numbers for all those OM606 IP fuel lines?
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Martha Report - Day 2

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmmm, might be the case. I never had that problem with the 220D or the
240D. I made sure the pipes were aligned without stress and that all the
hangers were as designed.

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> I find that on the older 4 cyl dissels, if I don't use a bandaid, the new
> pipe breaks anyway.  So, when crockauto replaced the new middle pipe  for
> the 240D, THIS time, I cut it off and put a bandaid between it and the
> front pipe.  This will absorb a lot of the vibration and make the second
> new one last more than 1000 miles.
>
> If the 240D had a piece of flex in the front pipe like the OM603 300D, I
> would not need the bandaid.
>
> The 124 and 126 are the only ones I have had that DID NOT need a bandaid.
>
>> OK Don via Mercedes 
>> May 14, 2017 at 8:53 PM
>> I've never had those work very well or for long. The goop just makes it
>> harder to fix correctly (new metal, welding) later. Do it right the first
>> time and you'll have no regrets
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[MBZ] Lektrick cahs in hurricanes Was: Bad news for Dan

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

There are families of 1,245 people who (officially) died in hurricane 
Katrina and subsequent floods who would argue with you.At that, 
Katrina was only the third deadliest United States hurricane.  Overall, 
it was a much bigger deal than the collapse of the WTC buildings.


People evacuated to as far as 1000  miles away  or more, and here, 1000 
miles away, we had significant rain and wind from the remains of 
Katrina.   I would take my rusty SDL 100 times over a Lektrick car in 
the event of being in the way of the next big hurricane.  You don't 
understand the amount of traffic needed to evacuate.  They made 4 land 
roads one way and still the traffic jams caused significant delays, 
accidents and surely deaths not attributed to the hurricane.


Now, 11 years after, most of the area devastated by katrina is still 
barren.  We are talk about probably 97% still not rebuilt.


In an evacuation even, when the battery is dry, you would be on foot, a 
hobo or hobo family, caught in days of torrential rains.  You could 
probably sirvive that, but how many of your neighbors could.


During the katrina evac, filling stations quickly ran out of gas, and 
cars ran out of gas on the road and blocked traffic.  Lektrik cars would 
be far worse.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Lots of people don't have a car at all, they don't seem to just die.
-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I have been fascinated by people refurbishing the Prius' battery packs. While 
you have to be pretty detail oriented to be successful at it, it's well within 
the realm of a competent DIY'er.

With a marginal battery pack their values seem to be pretty low, making the 
acquisition costs somewhat reasonable with the costs to refurb batteries.

So who is going to become the list EV bottom feeder?

-D

> On May 15, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Uhh I suspect that many, if not the majority of people have two cars that the 
> bank owns...With an electric car you'd almost certainly lease, if you think 
> about how far electric cars have come in the last 5 years it'd be silly to 
> buy one, the next generation which includes the cheap Tesla and the Chevy 
> Bolt are looking to be much better than the previous. I'll also note how 
> surprised (and pleased) I am to see Chevy out in front on this. They really 
> stumbled on the hybrid game coming late to the party with a car that was 
> poorly named that nobody understands. I know a couple people that own a Volt 
> and love them.
> We probably will look at an electric car for Angie in the future depending on 
> where my job prospects take us. For now its been more cost effective for us 
> to troll the bottom end of the diesel car market. Mostly haven't done it 
> because her car is really my backup car and because an electric doesn't fit 
> my commute. Also we don't have 220v in the garage which would limit us to the 
> slw 110v charger. I want 220v in the garage for a better welder and 
> compressor anyway, its already in the long term plan.
> The Golf is absolutely not a smelly diesel, it does belch a little black 
> smoke on startup but once the turbo is spinning and the cat is warm it makes 
> kind of a pleasant odor very unlike a gas car or older diesel.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
> 
> for most folks, the "second car" is not a $$$,$$$ Lektrick, but it is the old 
> car that was replaced when a new car was acquired.  few people can afford 
> $400/500/mo car payments x 2.  Lektrick does not make economic sense unless 
> you do over 90% of driving within a 20  mile radius, as you say.  If it makes 
> so much sense for SWMBO to drive one, why don't you have one already in place 
> of making her put up with a stinky, smelly old cheap Diesel?   We already 
> know the answer:  It is $!
> 
> 
>   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  May 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM  In a 2 car household 
> there is great opportunity for an electric car. Again using us as an example 
> an electric car doesn't fit my 120 mile round trip commute well 


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Re: [MBZ] Dan - OM606 IP o-ring part #s??

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

OK thanks, I guess I thought you were going to replace all the o-rings on
the fuel injection pump fuel line connections when you had the manifold off.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> 
>
> I was getting all of the breather hoses and fittings.  If you want that
> list I'll post it.
>
> You can look up stuff here:
>
> http://mb-teilekatalog.info/
>
> -D
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > Mind sharing the part numbers for all those OM606 IP fuel lines?
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dan - OM606 IP o-ring part #s??

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I was getting all of the breather hoses and fittings.  If you want that list 
I'll post it.

You can look up stuff here:

http://mb-teilekatalog.info/

-D

> On May 15, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> 
> Mind sharing the part numbers for all those OM606 IP fuel lines?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Pretty much yes, in my Wagon.  Carries me to/from work, carries the family
on vacation, tows the boat.  Plenty of room to load up SWMBO, SWMBette, 2x
cats, a couple suitcases, and tow the boat behind during evacuation.

Distance is not the issue, it is time.  Just getting from Chucktown to
Columbia (about 110 miles) can take 12-24 hours, due to the unbelievable
traffic jam.  That's mostly spent at idle, AC blasting, waiting for the
line of cars to move.  I would imagine that an electric car would require 3
to 5 or more recharges in order to do that.

Yes, one generally has at least a few days warning, but that can happen
several times each summer (once we had EIGHT such warnings in a summer).
Jumping in the car and evacuating BEFORE the roads get clogged up into a
huge mess means that you'd probably be evacuating several times each
summer.  Not very realistic.

And yes, last I checked, folks died here in Chucktown when Floyd (the
hurricane) paid a visit, just like they died in N'olans (Bush's fault in
case anyone forgot).

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Again, you've got one car that fits all your needs?
>
> How far do you bug out when a hurricane comes through? Don't you have days
> of warning?
>
> Lots of people don't have a car at all, they don't seem to just die.
>
>
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