Re: [MBZ] BMW 1973 2002 for over $40K???

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Basically yes. The 74 had square tail lights instead of round (roundie) and 
ugly diving board bumpers. Pre 74 are more valuable but fine examples of any 
1602, 2002, or 2002tii are starting to command big bucks as evidenced by this 
and other recent auctions.

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> On Aug 24, 2017, at 12:17 AM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is the 1973 model the same body style as a 1974 2002? I had a neighbor years 
> ago in the 90's who had a 1974 coupe,  oxidized paint but very good 
> condition.  I wish I had bought that car when he moved "up" to a 1989 Accord.
> Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 
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>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> And it sold for 93,500. Holy smokes!
>> 
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>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I owned a BMW R25 single cyl. motorcycle and it was awesome, so I guess I
>>> can relate to the fervor...
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Well, there's probably only six left in the US in driveable conditon, they
 suffered VERY badly from 70's german car rust disease, particularly in the
 rear suspension towers.  Last on I saw was squatting in a lot, rear wheels
 at about a 30 degree angle, which is what happens when the spring towers
 rot away.
 
 Wonderful cars, a real blast to drive, and very rare.
 
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Re: [MBZ] BMW 1973 2002 for over $40K???

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Is the 1973 model the same body style as a 1974 2002? I had a neighbor years 
ago in the 90's who had a 1974 coupe,  oxidized paint but very good condition.  
I wish I had bought that car when he moved "up" to a 1989 Accord.
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 
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> wrote:
> 
> And it sold for 93,500. Holy smokes!
> 
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>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I owned a BMW R25 single cyl. motorcycle and it was awesome, so I guess I
>> can relate to the fervor...
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, there's probably only six left in the US in driveable conditon, they
>>> suffered VERY badly from 70's german car rust disease, particularly in the
>>> rear suspension towers.  Last on I saw was squatting in a lot, rear wheels
>>> at about a 30 degree angle, which is what happens when the spring towers
>>> rot away.
>>> 
>>> Wonderful cars, a real blast to drive, and very rare.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] BMW 1973 2002 for over $40K???

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

And it sold for 93,500. Holy smokes!

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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> I owned a BMW R25 single cyl. motorcycle and it was awesome, so I guess I
> can relate to the fervor...
> 
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well, there's probably only six left in the US in driveable conditon, they
>> suffered VERY badly from 70's german car rust disease, particularly in the
>> rear suspension towers.  Last on I saw was squatting in a lot, rear wheels
>> at about a 30 degree angle, which is what happens when the spring towers
>> rot away.
>> 
>> Wonderful cars, a real blast to drive, and very rare.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML steering fluid

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Haven't even taken the engine cover off. 
It's dark here, I just went out for a test drive before I went to bed, mainly 
to check headlight aim (too low), and the steering wasn't working right. 
I did a little Google-Fu and found out that the reservoir and the O-ring seal 
to the pump are a known problem area. I didn't know about the screen, thanks. 

It bothers me that I can't find the owner's manual. Took it out of the car 
Friday for some reading in bed, then was too tired to stay awake and read. 
Now I can't find it in the bedroom or anywhere else. 
I know I saw it yesterday, I think it was in my office then.

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] ML steering fluid

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Did you look in the reservoir while running? The fluid should be fairly calm 
and quiet looking not bubbly and frothy. If it's bubbly, the screen (?) has 
failed and the pump essential cavitates occasionally from sucking in the 
air/frothy oil. That was my experience on my w211. 

Bob R

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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 7:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What power steering fluid does a 2003 W163 ML350 take?
> The thing worked great when I test drove it Sunday. 
> Tonight, after idling it a half hour to get the air out of the cooling system 
> and adjust the charge on the A/C, I took it out for a spin and there's little 
> or no power steering at low speeds and it groans when I pull on the wheel. 
> Which is odd, because the car isn't leaking any fluids, and it was working 
> fine 3 days ago. I'll check the fluid level, and if I can get any of the 
> right stuff locally I'll change the fluid tomorrow. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

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On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:22:02 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> I saw somewhere that there is talk of requiring truckers to all been
> screened for sleep apnea.

Yes, there are proposed criteria for that, and it's still being hashed
out -- a fair amount of resistance from some quarters about that,
particulary since the trucker has to pay for the test, which may not be
warranted.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I might have had mine too tight or something 

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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:18 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> +2
> 
> Getting back to the soreness:  Never had much problem with soreness.  Make
> sure you use a size of pillow that's comfortable, and, this is important,
> do NOT overtighten the mask.  You should have a good seal, but don't crank
> it down...
> 
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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>> -D wrote:
>>> I nominate this for the quotes page.
>> 
>> ++1
>> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

+2

Getting back to the soreness:  Never had much problem with soreness.  Make
sure you use a size of pillow that's comfortable, and, this is important,
do NOT overtighten the mask.  You should have a good seal, but don't crank
it down...

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> -D wrote:
> > I nominate this for the quotes page.
>
> ++1
> tin.man
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[MBZ] ML steering fluid

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What power steering fluid does a 2003 W163 ML350 take?
The thing worked great when I test drove it Sunday. 
Tonight, after idling it a half hour to get the air out of the cooling system 
and adjust the charge on the A/C, I took it out for a spin and there's little 
or no power steering at low speeds and it groans when I pull on the wheel. 
Which is odd, because the car isn't leaking any fluids, and it was working fine 
3 days ago. I'll check the fluid level, and if I can get any of the right stuff 
locally I'll change the fluid tomorrow. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] BMW 1973 2002 for over $40K???

[OK Don via Mercedes]

So were my R69S and R100 cycles - - -

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I owned a BMW R25 single cyl. motorcycle and it was awesome, so I guess I
> can relate to the fervor...
>
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Installing hitch and trailer wiring on W163 ML

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Strong work. 

--R
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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> First, buy a Curt 56146 trailer light converter, it has its own power supply 
> and does not draw power from the taillight housings, just samples taillight 
> voltages to tell it what to do. This avoids trouble with the bulb warning 
> light in the dash. Also, I checked the impedence on the power input, with the 
> turn signals, brake lights and taillights off, it was 26kOhms, so there's no 
> worry about battery drain when you aren't using the car (the rear power 
> outlet is always hot).
> 
> Buy a Curt 13018 hitch (3500lb), Draw-Tite 75087 (5000lb) or Reese 44720 
> (8000lb). I hoped the Curt would not require cutting away part of the plastic 
> bumper cover, but I still had to notch it to clear the gusset on the back of 
> the hitch. (less cutting than the Draw-Tite in the video, which sits higher 
> and requires you to cut a notch wide enough for the 2" receiver.)
> 
> Download these two videos:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUtq8gvv8jU
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTj1GjgeEMY
> 
> I don't follow the videos exactly. When they take the bumper off, and then 
> take the flat panel antenna off the bumper, I just fold the back seat and 
> stick the bumper in the back with the right end hanging out to keep from 
> pulling the wire.
> 
> I made several changes to the wiring video.
> They stuck the box in the left taillight recess, then had to extend the wire 
> to the right taillight. I stuck the box under the bumper cover, and the green 
> wire was then long enough to reach the right taillight.
> 
> They used a self-drilling-tapping sheet metal screw to punch a hole in the 
> body and secure the ground wire. I fished the white ground wire through the 
> bumper plastic and secured it with the rightmost bumper plastic holding screw.
> Advantage, no holes drilled in my car.
> 
> They ran a long wire and an inline fuse holder to the battery, running the 
> hot wire under the body along the frame. I ran a 5' wire through the bumper 
> to the right taillight housing, wiggled it through the rubber grommet for the 
> taillight wiring (so the body is still waterproof behind the taillight), and 
> used the same sort of blue wiring tap as was used at the taillights to tap 
> into the red wire at the rear power outlet/lighter socket.
> To get access to the wire, I just had to take off the cargo net hook nearest 
> the outlet, peel back the rubber tailgate gasket, and pull the interior panel 
> away from the body until I could get my hand in there and unplug (no locking 
> clip, just unplug it) the wiring from the outlet. The wire is long enough to 
> pull out the CD changer access door for easy tapping. Now the trailer light 
> controller has a 20A fused power source, and there aren't any stray wires 
> under the body.
> 
> My one mistake: While I was wishing they hadn't set the wire lengths to force 
> you to put the unit by the left taillight (because my chosen power supply was 
> by the right taillight) I didn't think of the solution until just now as I 
> was writing this up. Instead of driving to town for a spool of 14ga stranded 
> wire to extend the power input lead, I could have put the unit under the 
> right end of the bumper, connected the tail and stoplight wires on the right 
> side, shortened the green turn signal wire, and used the excess green wire to 
> extend the yellow left turn signal wire over to the left taillight housing. 
> That keeps the power wire short, and allows you to do the entire install with 
> the wires that Curt furnished.
> 
> Pictures: The first one shows where I attached the converter box with the 
> supplied double sided tape. You can also see that the white wire is taped to 
> a 3" zip tie, I used that to fish the green wire over to the right side and 
> to fish the white ground wire into the bumper cover as I reattached the 
> bumper cover. The second photo shows how I ran the power wire parallel to the 
> existing wiring harness and slipped it into the body via the existing rubber 
> seal.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, I totally lack restful sleep most nights.  Time for another sleep
study I guess (ast one was 8 years ago).

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> Usually
>
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> > On Aug 23, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> > Is that the most common way that people are initially alerted to this,
> > their spouse recognizes that something is wrong and prompts them to visit
> > the doc?
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> She was complaining about my snoring. I tried various mouth prices that
> >> move the jaw forward and those did not work including the one from my
> >> dentist. Then we go to sleep dr, walk in, dr asks if I quit breathing I
> say
> >> not as far as I know. Wife says yes, they immediately schedule study,
> and
> >> charged me $300 for that visit.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So how did you get to the point that your doc prescribed the sleep
> study?
> >>> Organ failure, or your wife complaining about your snoring?
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1984TD in VT

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Been worked hard and put away wet.

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> Survivor is one grade above Kaleb-price.  Original, drivable, but not
> quite premium BaT material.
> --
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> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On August 23, 2017 9:11:47 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> >Ones that are “unmolested”?
> >
> >-D on a roll tonight Man
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The guy explained he was terminated today after 16-years.
> >> What's a "survivor car"?
> >>
> >> From the "other" list:
> >>
> >> I am wanting to sell my 84 300TD and my 85 500SEC.Both are nice
> >> survivor cars that drive nice and look good. Not perfect but nice
> >> Summer drivers.  I am located in the Burlington Vermont area.
> >> Jacques Lefrancois92 300D84 300TD85 500SEC84 380SL
> >> jp...@myfairpoint.net
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Re: [MBZ] Estate 79 CD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Secret solution to draggy PWs:  lower the window and carefully dump baby
powder into the channel.  Really works!

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> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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> > On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> > So I bought this thing for $1300.  It has pretty much sat for 8 years
> since the woman had to quit driving it for medical reasons. Her
> boyfriend/partner pulled it out from under the carport occasionally to wash
> it, so it wasn't completely nasty, paint is good.  She wouldn't let him
> drive it!   It fired right up on ancient dizzel fuel in the tank and ran
> well, so that is something too.  I drove it around the block (he was
> paranoid about no plates, no ins, etc.) and it ran well and shifted well
> but the brakes are not too good but they at least work.  I don't know if
> that is rust on the rotors, stuck calipers or what, but they did work more
> or less with some grinding and maybe dragging, pedal was firm no bleed down
> so the master cylinder is probably OK.  Throttle return spring is not
> springing, I'll have to get one.  I took the spring off the 79 TD but this
> car is different for some reason, maybe a difference between the TD and the
> CD?  I'll go next week to drag it home on my trailer.
> >
> > The AC compressor belt is missing, the guy said whenever that was
> removed it was working but not BLOWING ICE COLD so the mech cut the belt
> for some reason, she got pissed off and left the place like that, so it was
> never dealt with.  I'll get a belt and dump some refrigerant into it and
> see if it might work.
> >
> > I figure a few $100s for some brake work, new hoses and belts, fluids
> change, check out the AC, do a bit of cleaning and polishing, maybe adjust
> valves, and get it looking nice and see if I can flip it.  Max says BaT
> might be a good venue, sounds like a plan.  Or maybe try to sell it to some
> swell over at the luxury gated resort community...  Aside from a bit of
> rust starting to show here and there, and some door dings on the trailing
> edges, a tear in the (black) leather driver seat bolster, the car is in
> pretty nice condition, very clean.  Windows were very slow, probably need
> to clean the slides.  2 owner car, the woman who had it last bought it from
> the original owner in 92.
> >
> > Or if Kleb wants to buy it...  or if any of y'all would be interested,
> let me know.  You know what I have in it so far (plus your agent fee!).  I
> think it would be a pretty nice car to just enjoy and not obsess over.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] BMW 1973 2002 for over $40K???

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I owned a BMW R25 single cyl. motorcycle and it was awesome, so I guess I
can relate to the fervor...

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, there's probably only six left in the US in driveable conditon, they
> suffered VERY badly from 70's german car rust disease, particularly in the
> rear suspension towers.  Last on I saw was squatting in a lot, rear wheels
> at about a 30 degree angle, which is what happens when the spring towers
> rot away.
>
> Wonderful cars, a real blast to drive, and very rare.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Usually

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 23, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is that the most common way that people are initially alerted to this,
> their spouse recognizes that something is wrong and prompts them to visit
> the doc?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> She was complaining about my snoring. I tried various mouth prices that
>> move the jaw forward and those did not work including the one from my
>> dentist. Then we go to sleep dr, walk in, dr asks if I quit breathing I say
>> not as far as I know. Wife says yes, they immediately schedule study, and
>> charged me $300 for that visit.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So how did you get to the point that your doc prescribed the sleep study?
>>> Organ failure, or your wife complaining about your snoring?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1984TD in VT

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Survivor is one grade above Kaleb-price.  Original, drivable, but not quite 
premium BaT material.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 23, 2017 9:11:47 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Ones that are “unmolested”?
>
>-D on a roll tonight Man
>
>
>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> The guy explained he was terminated today after 16-years.
>> What's a "survivor car"?
>> 
>> From the "other" list:
>> 
>> I am wanting to sell my 84 300TD and my 85 500SEC.Both are nice
>> survivor cars that drive nice and look good. Not perfect but nice
>> Summer drivers.  I am located in the Burlington Vermont area.
>> Jacques Lefrancois92 300D84 300TD85 500SEC84 380SL
>> jp...@myfairpoint.net
>> 
>> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] 1984TD in VT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ones that are “unmolested”?

-D on a roll tonight Man


> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The guy explained he was terminated today after 16-years.
> What's a "survivor car"?
> 
> From the "other" list:
> 
> I am wanting to sell my 84 300TD and my 85 500SEC.Both are nice
> survivor cars that drive nice and look good. Not perfect but nice
> Summer drivers.  I am located in the Burlington Vermont area.
> Jacques Lefrancois92 300D84 300TD85 500SEC84 380SL
> jp...@myfairpoint.net
> 
> tin.man
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[MBZ] 1984TD in VT

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

The guy explained he was terminated today after 16-years.
What's a "survivor car"?

>From the "other" list:

I am wanting to sell my 84 300TD and my 85 500SEC.Both are nice
survivor cars that drive nice and look good. Not perfect but nice
Summer drivers.  I am located in the Burlington Vermont area.
Jacques Lefrancois92 300D84 300TD85 500SEC84 380SL
jp...@myfairpoint.net

tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-D wrote:
> I nominate this for the quotes page.

++1
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That would require buying up 15-20 CPAP machines in various stages of 
disrepair, collecting them en mass in the back forty, cannibalizing parts off 
each of them to make one functioning (at least partially) one, then having 
Regina use it and then it bursting into flames.

I nominate this for the quotes page.

-D



> On Aug 23, 2017, at 8:51 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What happened to okiebenz DIY cpap?
> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--R wrote:
> This must qualify (and win
> first prize) as the largest bilking of customers in recorded time...

Not really.  Eisenhower warned of Military Industrial Complex, and
then today's Pharma Industrial Complex and today's Medical Industrial
Complex (poor okiebenz server owner Kleb) and other Industrial
Complex.  Shall we include NewVehicle Industrial Complex, etc - this
could be a fun project.  Telecommunications Industrial Complex versus
POTS.  Oh, boy - such fun!
Carry On.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

What happened to okiebenz DIY cpap?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] BMW 1973 2002 for over $40K???

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Well, there's probably only six left in the US in driveable conditon, they 
suffered VERY badly from 70's german car rust disease, particularly in the rear 
suspension towers.  Last on I saw was squatting in a lot, rear wheels at about 
a 30 degree angle, which is what happens when the spring towers rot away.

Wonderful cars, a real blast to drive, and very rare.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

But the tunnels have always dropped panels and flooded, I seem to recall.  I 
always loved the Sumner Tunnel, especially screaming down the tunnel out of 
Logan late at night in a rental car.

Don’t cross those white lines!

-D


> On Aug 23, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They did get the dig done though and it has made the trip to the airport MUCH 
> faster, at least when the tunnels aren't full of water or dropping panels on 
> you.
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

They did get the dig done though and it has made the trip to the airport MUCH 
faster, at least when the tunnels aren't full of water or dropping panels on 
you.
-Curt



On Wednesday, August 23, 2017, 4:17:34 PM EDT, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Can you spell (Smell) "Big Dig"


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Rich Thomas via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 23 August 2017 15:46
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

And the incompetence.  This is unbelievable, now we're into it for $9bil
and they're talking another $2bil to unwind it.  This must qualify (and
win first prize) as the largest bilking of customers in recorded time,
all enabled by elected "representatives."  Even larger than the collapse
of Enron.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Estate 79 CD

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Congrats!! 
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR

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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I bought this thing for $1300.  It has pretty much sat for 8 years since 
> the woman had to quit driving it for medical reasons. Her boyfriend/partner 
> pulled it out from under the carport occasionally to wash it, so it wasn't 
> completely nasty, paint is good.  She wouldn't let him drive it!   It fired 
> right up on ancient dizzel fuel in the tank and ran well, so that is 
> something too.  I drove it around the block (he was paranoid about no plates, 
> no ins, etc.) and it ran well and shifted well but the brakes are not too 
> good but they at least work.  I don't know if that is rust on the rotors, 
> stuck calipers or what, but they did work more or less with some grinding and 
> maybe dragging, pedal was firm no bleed down so the master cylinder is 
> probably OK.  Throttle return spring is not springing, I'll have to get one.  
> I took the spring off the 79 TD but this car is different for some reason, 
> maybe a difference between the TD and the CD?  I'll go next week to drag it 
> home on my trailer.
> 
> The AC compressor belt is missing, the guy said whenever that was removed it 
> was working but not BLOWING ICE COLD so the mech cut the belt for some 
> reason, she got pissed off and left the place like that, so it was never 
> dealt with.  I'll get a belt and dump some refrigerant into it and see if it 
> might work.
> 
> I figure a few $100s for some brake work, new hoses and belts, fluids change, 
> check out the AC, do a bit of cleaning and polishing, maybe adjust valves, 
> and get it looking nice and see if I can flip it.  Max says BaT might be a 
> good venue, sounds like a plan.  Or maybe try to sell it to some swell over 
> at the luxury gated resort community...  Aside from a bit of rust starting to 
> show here and there, and some door dings on the trailing edges, a tear in the 
> (black) leather driver seat bolster, the car is in pretty nice condition, 
> very clean.  Windows were very slow, probably need to clean the slides.  2 
> owner car, the woman who had it last bought it from the original owner in 92.
> 
> Or if Kleb wants to buy it...  or if any of y'all would be interested, let me 
> know.  You know what I have in it so far (plus your agent fee!).  I think it 
> would be a pretty nice car to just enjoy and not obsess over.
> 
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Can you spell (Smell) "Big Dig"


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Rich Thomas via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 23 August 2017 15:46
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

And the incompetence.  This is unbelievable, now we're into it for $9bil
and they're talking another $2bil to unwind it.  This must qualify (and
win first prize) as the largest bilking of customers in recorded time,
all enabled by elected "representatives."  Even larger than the collapse
of Enron.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] ML trailer wiring

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

By removing the back cargo hook/panel retainer right behind the outlet, 
I managed to pull the panel out 3", shove my hand behind it, unplug
the wiring to the outlet, tap into the red wire, and thus I have trailer power. 

> On August 23, 2017 at 3:15 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> If push comes to shove and you destroy it, replace with a USB outlet?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > When I'm done I'll post a complete how-to, but I still have to do one
> > final thing: send some battery positive to the trailer light control box.
> > (actually, I'd prefer ignition switched positive in case the thing has
> > parasitic current draw when sitting idle)
> >
> > I decided to use the 12v aux power (lighter socket) outlet in the right
> > rear of the cargo area. I think this is far superior to running a wire
> > under the car to the battery, as a pro installer did in a video I watched.
> > The socket is fused for 20A, which shouldn't be a problem unless I play a
> > CPU intensive video game on a 17" Laptop while a trailer is plugged in with
> > the headlights and hazard lights on.
> >
> > The question is, how do I get to the hot wire for that outlet?
> > Is there a non-destructive way to remove the outlet from the trim panel,
> > tap into the wire, and reinstall, or do I need to remove the entire panel?
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

oops 
http://www.postandcourier.com/business/scana-corp-applied-to-build-the-now-failed-nuclear-reactors/article_e59b6d6e-8809-11e7-8047-a7aaabd8ffef.html



On 8/23/17 3:46 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
And the incompetence.  This is unbelievable, now we're into it for 
$9bil and they're talking another $2bil to unwind it. This must 
qualify (and win first prize) as the largest bilking of customers in 
recorded time, all enabled by elected "representatives."  Even larger 
than the collapse of Enron.


--R


On 8/22/17 10:48 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

"The corruption in every state is incredible."

There.
I fixed it for you.

Rick
Who works in Crook County Illinois.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

And the incompetence.  This is unbelievable, now we're into it for $9bil 
and they're talking another $2bil to unwind it.  This must qualify (and 
win first prize) as the largest bilking of customers in recorded time, 
all enabled by elected "representatives."  Even larger than the collapse 
of Enron.


--R


On 8/22/17 10:48 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

"The corruption in every state is incredible."

There.
I fixed it for you.

Rick
Who works in Crook County Illinois.


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Re: [MBZ] Estate 79 CD

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

So I bought this thing for $1300.  It has pretty much sat for 8 years 
since the woman had to quit driving it for medical reasons. Her 
boyfriend/partner pulled it out from under the carport occasionally to 
wash it, so it wasn't completely nasty, paint is good.  She wouldn't let 
him drive it!   It fired right up on ancient dizzel fuel in the tank and 
ran well, so that is something too.  I drove it around the block (he was 
paranoid about no plates, no ins, etc.) and it ran well and shifted well 
but the brakes are not too good but they at least work.  I don't know if 
that is rust on the rotors, stuck calipers or what, but they did work 
more or less with some grinding and maybe dragging, pedal was firm no 
bleed down so the master cylinder is probably OK.  Throttle return 
spring is not springing, I'll have to get one.  I took the spring off 
the 79 TD but this car is different for some reason, maybe a difference 
between the TD and the CD?  I'll go next week to drag it home on my trailer.


The AC compressor belt is missing, the guy said whenever that was 
removed it was working but not BLOWING ICE COLD so the mech cut the belt 
for some reason, she got pissed off and left the place like that, so it 
was never dealt with.  I'll get a belt and dump some refrigerant into it 
and see if it might work.


I figure a few $100s for some brake work, new hoses and belts, fluids 
change, check out the AC, do a bit of cleaning and polishing, maybe 
adjust valves, and get it looking nice and see if I can flip it.  Max 
says BaT might be a good venue, sounds like a plan.  Or maybe try to 
sell it to some swell over at the luxury gated resort community...  
Aside from a bit of rust starting to show here and there, and some door 
dings on the trailing edges, a tear in the (black) leather driver seat 
bolster, the car is in pretty nice condition, very clean.  Windows were 
very slow, probably need to clean the slides.  2 owner car, the woman 
who had it last bought it from the original owner in 92.


Or if Kleb wants to buy it...  or if any of y'all would be interested, 
let me know.  You know what I have in it so far (plus your agent fee!).  
I think it would be a pretty nice car to just enjoy and not obsess over.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] ML trailer wiring

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

If push comes to shove and you destroy it, replace with a USB outlet?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I'm done I'll post a complete how-to, but I still have to do one
> final thing: send some battery positive to the trailer light control box.
> (actually, I'd prefer ignition switched positive in case the thing has
> parasitic current draw when sitting idle)
>
> I decided to use the 12v aux power (lighter socket) outlet in the right
> rear of the cargo area. I think this is far superior to running a wire
> under the car to the battery, as a pro installer did in a video I watched.
> The socket is fused for 20A, which shouldn't be a problem unless I play a
> CPU intensive video game on a 17" Laptop while a trailer is plugged in with
> the headlights and hazard lights on.
>
> The question is, how do I get to the hot wire for that outlet?
> Is there a non-destructive way to remove the outlet from the trim panel,
> tap into the wire, and reinstall, or do I need to remove the entire panel?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

That could be, but another way is when people complain of chronic fatigue.  
This can be a result of them not having restful sleep.  The wife was a major 
league sufferer of sleep apnea which left her pretty much wiped out during the 
day. Fortunately, in her case making some changes to the way she slept (as far 
as positioning and bed type) resolved the issue.

-D

> On Aug 23, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is that the most common way that people are initially alerted to this,
> their spouse recognizes that something is wrong and prompts them to visit
> the doc?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> She was complaining about my snoring. I tried various mouth prices that
>> move the jaw forward and those did not work including the one from my
>> dentist. Then we go to sleep dr, walk in, dr asks if I quit breathing I say
>> not as far as I know. Wife says yes, they immediately schedule study, and
>> charged me $300 for that visit.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So how did you get to the point that your doc prescribed the sleep study?
>>> Organ failure, or your wife complaining about your snoring?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] BMW 1973 2002 for over $40K???

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-bmw-2002tii-11/

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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> These cute iconic cars have become HOT tickets.  Seems like stupid money
> but what do I know.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Is that the most common way that people are initially alerted to this,
their spouse recognizes that something is wrong and prompts them to visit
the doc?

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Max
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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> She was complaining about my snoring. I tried various mouth prices that
> move the jaw forward and those did not work including the one from my
> dentist. Then we go to sleep dr, walk in, dr asks if I quit breathing I say
> not as far as I know. Wife says yes, they immediately schedule study, and
> charged me $300 for that visit.
>
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>
> > On Aug 23, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So how did you get to the point that your doc prescribed the sleep study?
> > Organ failure, or your wife complaining about your snoring?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

She was complaining about my snoring. I tried various mouth prices that move 
the jaw forward and those did not work including the one from my dentist. Then 
we go to sleep dr, walk in, dr asks if I quit breathing I say not as far as I 
know. Wife says yes, they immediately schedule study, and charged me $300 for 
that visit. 

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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So how did you get to the point that your doc prescribed the sleep study?
> Organ failure, or your wife complaining about your snoring?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> So it went fine no issues really. When I went to bed it's set on auto ramp
>> up and was at 4. When I woke up this morning it was running at
>> 13.something. It said I had 5.2 events or whatever you call it. I assume
>> that means for the night. This is compared to the 87 per hour I had at the
>> first sleep study. The nasal pillow made my nostrils a little sore so if I
>> don't get used to it I will probably go online a buy a different one. Wife
>> did report that she did not hear any snoring, so I guess problem solved.
>> 
>> I never really felt tired or worn out during the day not have always
>> yawned all day long for what seemed like no reason, especially later in the
>> day. I will often pass out in my chair watching tv at night so it will be
>> interesting to see if I yawn all day and still pass out at night watching
>> tv.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

So how did you get to the point that your doc prescribed the sleep study?
Organ failure, or your wife complaining about your snoring?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So it went fine no issues really. When I went to bed it's set on auto ramp
> up and was at 4. When I woke up this morning it was running at
> 13.something. It said I had 5.2 events or whatever you call it. I assume
> that means for the night. This is compared to the 87 per hour I had at the
> first sleep study. The nasal pillow made my nostrils a little sore so if I
> don't get used to it I will probably go online a buy a different one. Wife
> did report that she did not hear any snoring, so I guess problem solved.
>
> I never really felt tired or worn out during the day not have always
> yawned all day long for what seemed like no reason, especially later in the
> day. I will often pass out in my chair watching tv at night so it will be
> interesting to see if I yawn all day and still pass out at night watching
> tv.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

They were surprised when I asked for a copy of my sleep study, like nobody ever 
asks for that information, but the woman at the desk pulled it and ran it 
through the copier without complaint.

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Re: [MBZ] BMW 1973 2002 for over $40K???

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

A heavily modified one done just the way the enthusiasts would like sold for 
$125,000 a couple of months ago.

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> These cute iconic cars have become HOT tickets.  Seems like stupid money
> but what do I know.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

He did say I was severe. I was surprised I was not really provided with actual 
results, it was more just general info. When I go back in 30 days I will ask 
more details. 

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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On August 23, 2017 at 11:19 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It said I had 5.2 events or whatever you call it.
> 
> That's events per hour, or 42 events total if you ran the machine eight 
> hours. 
> 
> I think 5 per hour under treatment is the threshold for calling it well 
> treated. You'll probably always have some in auto mode, sometimes it responds 
> to the onset of symptoms before you have an event, but I think usually it's 
> chasing events when it raises the pressure.
> 
> 10 per hour is considered a potential medical issue. 
> 40 per hour is considered severe.
> 87 is almost twice what I had in my sleep study. 
> If you stop breathing for more than ten seconds 87 times an hour, you're 
> spending a major portion of your sleep time in apnea. Might be interesting to 
> get a copy of your sleep study results and see how dangerous your oxygen 
> levels were. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

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> On August 23, 2017 at 11:19 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It said I had 5.2 events or whatever you call it.

That's events per hour, or 42 events total if you ran the machine eight hours. 

I think 5 per hour under treatment is the threshold for calling it well 
treated. You'll probably always have some in auto mode, sometimes it responds 
to the onset of symptoms before you have an event, but I think usually it's 
chasing events when it raises the pressure.

10 per hour is considered a potential medical issue. 
40 per hour is considered severe.
87 is almost twice what I had in my sleep study. 
If you stop breathing for more than ten seconds 87 times an hour, you're 
spending a major portion of your sleep time in apnea. Might be interesting to 
get a copy of your sleep study results and see how dangerous your oxygen levels 
were. 

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

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Thanks!  That might work better for me.  Gotta burn up my medical savings
account so might be worth a try.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Get this one. This is the one I almost got. It was very comfortable when I
> tried it. They also have a nasal pillow version but they have me the resmed
> nasal pillow one. The dream wear one might have been more comfortable.
>
> http://www.thecpapshop.com/respironics-dreamwear-nasal-
> cpap-mask-1?utm_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=
> Shopping%20-%20All%20Products=EAIaIQobChMIqPXg39bt1QIVkW5-
> Ch3cvQ7AEAQYASABEgKp2vD_BwE
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mitch I'm open to something different.  What's the story on the Eson?
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> On August 23, 2017 at 10:43 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mitch, how do you alleviate the chafing and soreness from the nasal
> >> pillows?
> >>
> >> Oops, you asked that question of MMM, not me.
> >> Ignore my previous answer.
> >> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I understand.  Women are much more reliable to wake up when there's an
intruder in the middle of the night.

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> Yes, she refused
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Did you price out some high quality ear plugs  for SWMBO as a more
> affordablwe alternative?
> >
> >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> So it went fine no issues really. When I went to bed it's set on auto
> ramp up and was at 4. When I woke up this morning it was running at
> 13.something. It said I had 5.2 events or whatever you call it. I assume
> that means for the night. This is compared to the 87 per hour I had at the
> first sleep study. The nasal pillow made my nostrils a little sore so if I
> don't get used to it I will probably go online a buy a different one. Wife
> did report that she did not hear any snoring, so I guess problem solved.
> >>
> >> I never really felt tired or worn out during the day not have always
> yawned all day long for what seemed like no reason, especially later in the
> day. I will often pass out in my chair watching tv at night so it will be
> interesting to see if I yawn all day and still pass out at night watching
> tv.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

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Get this one. This is the one I almost got. It was very comfortable when I 
tried it. They also have a nasal pillow version but they have me the resmed 
nasal pillow one. The dream wear one might have been more comfortable.

http://www.thecpapshop.com/respironics-dreamwear-nasal-cpap-mask-1?utm_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=Shopping%20-%20All%20Products=EAIaIQobChMIqPXg39bt1QIVkW5-Ch3cvQ7AEAQYASABEgKp2vD_BwE

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> 
> Mitch I'm open to something different.  What's the story on the Eson?
> 
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On August 23, 2017 at 10:43 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mitch, how do you alleviate the chafing and soreness from the nasal
>> pillows?
>> 
>> Oops, you asked that question of MMM, not me.
>> Ignore my previous answer.
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes, she refused

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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Did you price out some high quality ear plugs  for SWMBO as a more 
> affordablwe alternative?
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> So it went fine no issues really. When I went to bed it's set on auto ramp 
>> up and was at 4. When I woke up this morning it was running at 13.something. 
>> It said I had 5.2 events or whatever you call it. I assume that means for 
>> the night. This is compared to the 87 per hour I had at the first sleep 
>> study. The nasal pillow made my nostrils a little sore so if I don't get 
>> used to it I will probably go online a buy a different one. Wife did report 
>> that she did not hear any snoring, so I guess problem solved.
>> 
>> I never really felt tired or worn out during the day not have always yawned 
>> all day long for what seemed like no reason, especially later in the day. I 
>> will often pass out in my chair watching tv at night so it will be 
>> interesting to see if I yawn all day and still pass out at night watching tv.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

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Mitch I'm open to something different.  What's the story on the Eson?

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>
> > On August 23, 2017 at 10:43 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Mitch, how do you alleviate the chafing and soreness from the nasal
> pillows?
>
> Oops, you asked that question of MMM, not me.
> Ignore my previous answer.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] First night with cpap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Did you price out some high quality ear plugs  for SWMBO as a more
affordablwe alternative?

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So it went fine no issues really. When I went to bed it's set on auto ramp
> up and was at 4. When I woke up this morning it was running at
> 13.something. It said I had 5.2 events or whatever you call it. I assume
> that means for the night. This is compared to the 87 per hour I had at the
> first sleep study. The nasal pillow made my nostrils a little sore so if I
> don't get used to it I will probably go online a buy a different one. Wife
> did report that she did not hear any snoring, so I guess problem solved.
>
> I never really felt tired or worn out during the day not have always
> yawned all day long for what seemed like no reason, especially later in the
> day. I will often pass out in my chair watching tv at night so it will be
> interesting to see if I yawn all day and still pass out at night watching
> tv.
>
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[MBZ] First night with cpap

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So it went fine no issues really. When I went to bed it's set on auto ramp up 
and was at 4. When I woke up this morning it was running at 13.something. It 
said I had 5.2 events or whatever you call it. I assume that means for the 
night. This is compared to the 87 per hour I had at the first sleep study. The 
nasal pillow made my nostrils a little sore so if I don't get used to it I will 
probably go online a buy a different one. Wife did report that she did not hear 
any snoring, so I guess problem solved. 

I never really felt tired or worn out during the day not have always yawned all 
day long for what seemed like no reason, especially later in the day. I will 
often pass out in my chair watching tv at night so it will be interesting to 
see if I yawn all day and still pass out at night watching tv. 

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

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> On August 23, 2017 at 10:43 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mitch, how do you alleviate the chafing and soreness from the nasal pillows?

Oops, you asked that question of MMM, not me. 
Ignore my previous answer. 
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I've never used pillows, have a Fisher and Paykel Eson, it's the only thing 
I've ever tried, it worked in my sleep study so I just got one without trying 
anything else. 

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[MBZ] BMW 1973 2002 for over $40K???

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

These cute iconic cars have become HOT tickets.  Seems like stupid money
but what do I know.

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Mitch, how do you alleviate the chafing and soreness from the nasal pillows?

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:26 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> One thing to bear in mind is that the mask will take getting used to.
> After seven years or so, my nasal pillow mask is second nature to me.
>
> -MMM-
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > No there are full face masks, ones that just cover the nose, and the
> nasal
> > pillows. I may end up having to switch to the one that covers the end of
> > the nose as my nostrils are sore this morning. We shall see how it goes.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 22, 2017, at 11:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do all cpaps require those funky nasal pillows? They  make my nostrils
> so
> > > sore that I need a day to heal.
> > >
> > > On Aug 23, 2017 12:36 AM, "archer75--- via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW: Here is the history of PPB (positive pressure breathing) with
> > > excerpts:
> > >
> > > snip...Over the past 40 years we have developed a greater understanding
> > of
> > > the mechanisms and consequences of VILI (Figure 7). We understand that
> > the
> > > key variable is not airway pressure per se, as elegantly demonstrated
> by
> > > Bouhuys in studies of musicians playing musical instruments (Figure 8)
> > > (24), but was due to overdistension of the lung as demonstrated by
> > Dreyfuss
> > > and Saumon, who suggested the term volutrauma to highlight that it was
> > not
> > > the absolute airway pressures per se that were important, but the
> > > overdistension (25)...snip
> > >
> > > Snip...In 1997, we identified a mechanism of injury that we called
> > > biotrauma (i.e., the biological consequences associated with mechanical
> > > ventilation) (26, 27). We showed that injurious forms of ventilation
> > (i.e.,
> > > those that promote atelectrauma or overdistension) could lead to
> release
> > of
> > > mediators in the lung. Coupled with the increased permeability due to
> the
> > > underlying disease being treated (e.g., ARDS) or the increased
> > permeability
> > > caused by overdistension, mechanical ventilation could lead to
> > > translocation of mediators, bacteria, or endotoxin into the systemic
> > > circulation (27, 28). This in turn could cause end-organ dysfunction
> > distal
> > > to the lung (e.g., kidneys) and lead to multiorgan failure (Figure 9)
> > (29).
> > > This mechanism could explain the fact that most patients with ARDS who
> > die
> > > do so not because of hypoxemia but because of multiorgan failure...snip
> > >
> > > http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full/10.1164/rccm.201503-0421PP
> > > ~~
> > >> From: Kaleb C. Striplin
> > >> So are these machine truly automatic or do they have to set a base
> > > pressure range of some sort and it adjusts from there?
> > >
> > > Mitch Haley wrote:
> > > "Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> >  So how bad did I get screwed? Would I have saved much by shopping
> > > around locally?
> > >>>
> > >>> I have no idea, but I suspect they all charge some inflated price and
> > > the insurance company knocks it down to what it should have been to
> start
> > > with.
> > >>> If the DME is in your insurance network, they should give you a
> refund
> > > if what you might owe on the EOB from your insurance company is less
> than
> > > what you prepaid.
> > >>>
> > >>> The entire medical world seems to work this way, then some poor slob
> > > walks in without insurance and they charge him $2800 for a $900 machine
> > and
> > > expect him to pay it.
> > >>>
> > >>> I have no idea why Resmed's high end machines that sense Apnea and
> > > Hypoapnea in real time always ship from the factory set to not display
> > your
> > > AHI (Apnea/Hypoapnea Index, or # of breathing disturbances per hour).
> > >>>
> > >>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

One thing to bear in mind is that the mask will take getting used to.
After seven years or so, my nasal pillow mask is second nature to me.

-MMM-

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No there are full face masks, ones that just cover the nose, and the nasal
> pillows. I may end up having to switch to the one that covers the end of
> the nose as my nostrils are sore this morning. We shall see how it goes.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 22, 2017, at 11:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do all cpaps require those funky nasal pillows? They  make my nostrils so
> > sore that I need a day to heal.
> >
> > On Aug 23, 2017 12:36 AM, "archer75--- via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > FWIW: Here is the history of PPB (positive pressure breathing) with
> > excerpts:
> >
> > snip...Over the past 40 years we have developed a greater understanding
> of
> > the mechanisms and consequences of VILI (Figure 7). We understand that
> the
> > key variable is not airway pressure per se, as elegantly demonstrated by
> > Bouhuys in studies of musicians playing musical instruments (Figure 8)
> > (24), but was due to overdistension of the lung as demonstrated by
> Dreyfuss
> > and Saumon, who suggested the term volutrauma to highlight that it was
> not
> > the absolute airway pressures per se that were important, but the
> > overdistension (25)...snip
> >
> > Snip...In 1997, we identified a mechanism of injury that we called
> > biotrauma (i.e., the biological consequences associated with mechanical
> > ventilation) (26, 27). We showed that injurious forms of ventilation
> (i.e.,
> > those that promote atelectrauma or overdistension) could lead to release
> of
> > mediators in the lung. Coupled with the increased permeability due to the
> > underlying disease being treated (e.g., ARDS) or the increased
> permeability
> > caused by overdistension, mechanical ventilation could lead to
> > translocation of mediators, bacteria, or endotoxin into the systemic
> > circulation (27, 28). This in turn could cause end-organ dysfunction
> distal
> > to the lung (e.g., kidneys) and lead to multiorgan failure (Figure 9)
> (29).
> > This mechanism could explain the fact that most patients with ARDS who
> die
> > do so not because of hypoxemia but because of multiorgan failure...snip
> >
> > http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full/10.1164/rccm.201503-0421PP
> > ~~
> >> From: Kaleb C. Striplin
> >> So are these machine truly automatic or do they have to set a base
> > pressure range of some sort and it adjusts from there?
> >
> > Mitch Haley wrote:
> > "Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>  So how bad did I get screwed? Would I have saved much by shopping
> > around locally?
> >>>
> >>> I have no idea, but I suspect they all charge some inflated price and
> > the insurance company knocks it down to what it should have been to start
> > with.
> >>> If the DME is in your insurance network, they should give you a refund
> > if what you might owe on the EOB from your insurance company is less than
> > what you prepaid.
> >>>
> >>> The entire medical world seems to work this way, then some poor slob
> > walks in without insurance and they charge him $2800 for a $900 machine
> and
> > expect him to pay it.
> >>>
> >>> I have no idea why Resmed's high end machines that sense Apnea and
> > Hypoapnea in real time always ship from the factory set to not display
> your
> > AHI (Apnea/Hypoapnea Index, or # of breathing disturbances per hour).
> >>>
> >>> Mitch.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No there are full face masks, ones that just cover the nose, and the nasal 
pillows. I may end up having to switch to the one that covers the end of the 
nose as my nostrils are sore this morning. We shall see how it goes.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2017, at 11:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do all cpaps require those funky nasal pillows? They  make my nostrils so
> sore that I need a day to heal.
> 
> On Aug 23, 2017 12:36 AM, "archer75--- via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> FWIW: Here is the history of PPB (positive pressure breathing) with
> excerpts:
> 
> snip...Over the past 40 years we have developed a greater understanding of
> the mechanisms and consequences of VILI (Figure 7). We understand that the
> key variable is not airway pressure per se, as elegantly demonstrated by
> Bouhuys in studies of musicians playing musical instruments (Figure 8)
> (24), but was due to overdistension of the lung as demonstrated by Dreyfuss
> and Saumon, who suggested the term volutrauma to highlight that it was not
> the absolute airway pressures per se that were important, but the
> overdistension (25)...snip
> 
> Snip...In 1997, we identified a mechanism of injury that we called
> biotrauma (i.e., the biological consequences associated with mechanical
> ventilation) (26, 27). We showed that injurious forms of ventilation (i.e.,
> those that promote atelectrauma or overdistension) could lead to release of
> mediators in the lung. Coupled with the increased permeability due to the
> underlying disease being treated (e.g., ARDS) or the increased permeability
> caused by overdistension, mechanical ventilation could lead to
> translocation of mediators, bacteria, or endotoxin into the systemic
> circulation (27, 28). This in turn could cause end-organ dysfunction distal
> to the lung (e.g., kidneys) and lead to multiorgan failure (Figure 9) (29).
> This mechanism could explain the fact that most patients with ARDS who die
> do so not because of hypoxemia but because of multiorgan failure...snip
> 
> http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full/10.1164/rccm.201503-0421PP
> ~~
>> From: Kaleb C. Striplin
>> So are these machine truly automatic or do they have to set a base
> pressure range of some sort and it adjusts from there?
> 
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> "Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
 So how bad did I get screwed? Would I have saved much by shopping
> around locally?
>>> 
>>> I have no idea, but I suspect they all charge some inflated price and
> the insurance company knocks it down to what it should have been to start
> with.
>>> If the DME is in your insurance network, they should give you a refund
> if what you might owe on the EOB from your insurance company is less than
> what you prepaid.
>>> 
>>> The entire medical world seems to work this way, then some poor slob
> walks in without insurance and they charge him $2800 for a $900 machine and
> expect him to pay it.
>>> 
>>> I have no idea why Resmed's high end machines that sense Apnea and
> Hypoapnea in real time always ship from the factory set to not display your
> AHI (Apnea/Hypoapnea Index, or # of breathing disturbances per hour).
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
> 
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> http://www.avg.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT: What US congresscritter has killed more US servicemen

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

LBJ came immediately to mind but it's probably Jefferson Davis. Maybe we need 
to clarify criteria?

> -Original Message-
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> Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:52 AM
> To: Mercedes_Discussion_List 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: What US congresscritter has killed more US servicemen
> 
> What US congresscritter has killed more US servicemen than all the rest put
> together?
> 
> Somewhat OT.  Make sure you are not driving your MB anywhere near this
> congresscritter if you want to stay alive.
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