Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Clay,
The example city in my post is Phoenix, AZ, however, it has become like
every other city of size, a bastion of ignorant leadership and poor civic
planning. The examples you give for Seattle are repeated in every city, by
every "public works department" across the nation.

If you go to any federal park, you will see signs that say, "do not feed
the wild animals".. when you ask "Why not?" the rangers will tell you it
makes the animals dependent on handouts and they won't work for their food.
Cities apparently need to put up some of those signs adapted for humans
and social welfare programs...

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:07 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Good GOD, you do not live in Seattle, do you?  This sounds just like the
> nightmare scenario I meet every day.  The things the hobos do on those
> bikes makes me cringe when i see the tourist smiling away while pedaling
> along.  
>
> We have light rail, street cars, buses, and more lame excuses for transit
> that get just enough ridership to keep the idiot politicians smiling.  The
> streets are clogged with Uber and Lyft goons who recklessly swerve around
> in traffic causing near or real accidents.  The drivers are not native
> born, I wonder how they even understood the driver test questions.
>
> No need to mention the LEOs who have no desire to Serve or Protect.  When
> I approach them with what should be solidly in their wheelhouse, they
> respond with some version of “not my job”.  Parking enforcement refuses to
> actually enforce.  They park in a manner that obstructs fire plugs, watch
> pedestrians nearly become hood ornaments instead of directing traffic (for
> which they are getting overtime pay), they do “undercover” surveillance in
> marked cars instead of interceding in the hobos stealing electronics,
> dealing drugs and selling underage hookers.
>
> I was watching this whole mess, and came to the conclusion that the
> simplest way to invade this nation would be to come in under cover of being
> homeless.  Set up tents upon sidewalks and streets, parks and freeway
> interchanges, keep the weapons in RVs parked around town.  Gather enough
> soldiers in this manner, which the civilian population and LEOs will
> ignore, then, with a few thousand invisible partisans, you take over the
> city and county.
>
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm seeing an excellent example of the urban socialization in action here
> > with bicycles. The city spent multiple Billion$ of federal money
> > constructing a light rail system, which destroyed established businesses
> > along it's entire route, because the rail line down the middle of the
> > street blocks access to "the other side of the street" businesses. Then,
> to
> > encourage users of the "light rail" system to ride and actually get to
> > their business or work, bicycle stands were placed with rent bikes
> unlocked
> > and rented by smart phone. The bikes are yellow or green. After just a
> few
> > months, the homeless have found a way to unlock the "smart phone locked
> > bikes" and steal and strip them, or use them at will. Yellow and Green
> > bikes are now found in alleys being used as free transportation by the
> > homeless and addicted. The bike company is part of "public transport" and
> > now complaining about the upkeep cost and lack of traffic.
> > The "light rail" company has, after 3 years of operation, failed to make
> a
> > profit, and is unable to pay it's electric bill to run the trains. During
> > the 3 years, trains have hit, on average, one car per month, injuring
> many
> > occupants.
> > Someone made the decision to spend Billions for a system that, to date,
> is
> > a business failure.
> > In my considered opinion, self driving cars fall into that same category.
> > America is a country of individual freedom. In action, the "light rail"
> and
> > "self driving cars" both push against that base mind set. Ultimately, the
> > law of UN-intended consequences will bite them both.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Nor maintain flight attitude.
> >>
> >> Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >>>  I'm wondering why there seems to be no focus on self driving trains.
> >>> Seems like thats low hanging fruit, you don't have to steer...
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I just read that we have around 3.8% unemployment now.  Best labor market in 18 
years!  It seems almost anybody looking for employment will find something, 
according to the MSM.  I wonder why the 5k hobos occupying SEA are not on the 
labor rolls if there are jobs going begging.

Automating transport and warehouse jobs will have a massive impact on labor.  
There are so many jobs a robot can do much swifter and possibly more reliably 
than a human.  No need for healthcare or pensions either.  What do we do with 
all the redundant people?  Soylent Green?  Can’t turn them into fuel, because 
all the cars are electric.  

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jun 1, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max,
> 
> For now it doesnt seem like anyone is mandating the driverless stuff or
> even collision avoidance. If people feel squeamish enough, the driverless
> taxi/truck will flop despite the labor cost savings. It will be interesting
> to see if it can survive, but I will bet that if it is good enough then
> people will forget their qualms fairly quickly.
> 
> Freedom applies just as equally to people who select autonomous cars as it
> does to people who do not. Reasonable people will differ on this. Several
> years back I read an interview where a google testing engineer said that
> his wife got nervous whenever he would take over the wheel from the
> computer, because she felt safer with the computer.
> 
> For me, the labor implications are probably the biggest issue. What are
> several million taxi drivers, truck drivers, delivery people etc supposed
> to do for work when they are suddenly rendered obsolete by machines? It is
> potentially socially destabilizing technology.
> 
> Anyway how many lives would this technology have to save per year per
> 100,000 people for the benefit to outweigh the downside of reduced
> individual liberty? I would like to be free to use the freeway without
> fearing immature, reckless and distracted drivers killing me. There are
> probably far more of them here than in NC, admittedly, but that is why we
> are a federation of states.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 5:21 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Karl,
>> 
>> I think this comes down to individual liberty (and the responsibility that
>> goes with it) vs. the serfdom of handing over control to the "other".
>> 
>> Just like I don't want the government or the health insco deciding on my
>> healthcare options, I don't want to pay extra for people I've never met and
>> never will meet to completely control my car and my family when riding in
>> that car.  I'd much rather take the risk and control my own life, than hand
>> over control.
>> 
>> A car is an immensely liberating invention.  A car is hugely important for
>> individual financial success.  In my case a dependable car is vitally
>> necessary for hurricane evacuation.
>> 
>> Yes, the bar is EXTREMELY high for an autonomous car to take over the job
>> that I can do just fine, thank you.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:41 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The bar is set fairly low in terms of human controlled car accident rates
>>> and humans coping with unexpected failures.
>>> 
>>> There seems to be a greater willingness to accept human errors than
>> machine
>>> errors. Not sure this is entirely rational.
>>> 
>>> Humans are really bad drivers. If a machine can do it reliably better
>> then
>>> bring it on. When I am old, I dont think I will be saying I wish I spent
>>> more time driving. The best car is the one you never have to drive, so
>> you
>>> can spend your limited time on earth doing more interesting stuff.
>>> 
>>> Think of all the consciousness wasted by people sitting in stop and go
>>> traffic, concentrating on the bumper ahead. And the negative effects on
>>> stress and mood. What a drain on humanity.
>>> 
>>> Why is a human running a red light and t boning me so much better than a
>>> machine doing it? Or a machine wrecking my car instead of me somehow
>> worse?
>>> What matters is the overall performance across the population vs current
>>> technology.
>>> 
>>> Ultimately the costs and benefits of these things will speak for
>>> themselves. I'm pretty sure the machines are already better. Waymo has
>>> driven millions of miles on public roads now. Fiat just sold them another
>>> 20k minivans to use as driverless taxis. You dont buy 20,000 minivans
>>> unless you are pretty sure about what you are going to do with them.
>>> 


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Re: [MBZ] This 210 diesel

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Nothing worse than letting a diesel sit or only go on short trips.  Take it out 
and flog the tar out of it.

Gump had sat for two years before coming to me.  It took a few months of daily 
driving to get her willing to at least try to to get close to her top speed.  
Almost a 18 months before she could actually make 84.5 mph.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Fresh tank of diesel, maybe add some Diesel Purge to the tank or some other
> injector cleaner, and start driving that beast.  I think you just need to
> drive it more often.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Good GOD, you do not live in Seattle, do you?  This sounds just like the 
nightmare scenario I meet every day.  The things the hobos do on those bikes 
makes me cringe when i see the tourist smiling away while pedaling along.  


We have light rail, street cars, buses, and more lame excuses for transit that 
get just enough ridership to keep the idiot politicians smiling.  The streets 
are clogged with Uber and Lyft goons who recklessly swerve around in traffic 
causing near or real accidents.  The drivers are not native born, I wonder how 
they even understood the driver test questions.  

No need to mention the LEOs who have no desire to Serve or Protect.  When I 
approach them with what should be solidly in their wheelhouse, they respond 
with some version of “not my job”.  Parking enforcement refuses to actually 
enforce.  They park in a manner that obstructs fire plugs, watch pedestrians 
nearly become hood ornaments instead of directing traffic (for which they are 
getting overtime pay), they do “undercover” surveillance in marked cars instead 
of interceding in the hobos stealing electronics, dealing drugs and selling 
underage hookers.

I was watching this whole mess, and came to the conclusion that the simplest 
way to invade this nation would be to come in under cover of being homeless.  
Set up tents upon sidewalks and streets, parks and freeway interchanges, keep 
the weapons in RVs parked around town.  Gather enough soldiers in this manner, 
which the civilian population and LEOs will ignore, then, with a few thousand 
invisible partisans, you take over the city and county.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:33 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I'm seeing an excellent example of the urban socialization in action here
> with bicycles. The city spent multiple Billion$ of federal money
> constructing a light rail system, which destroyed established businesses
> along it's entire route, because the rail line down the middle of the
> street blocks access to "the other side of the street" businesses. Then, to
> encourage users of the "light rail" system to ride and actually get to
> their business or work, bicycle stands were placed with rent bikes unlocked
> and rented by smart phone. The bikes are yellow or green. After just a few
> months, the homeless have found a way to unlock the "smart phone locked
> bikes" and steal and strip them, or use them at will. Yellow and Green
> bikes are now found in alleys being used as free transportation by the
> homeless and addicted. The bike company is part of "public transport" and
> now complaining about the upkeep cost and lack of traffic.
> The "light rail" company has, after 3 years of operation, failed to make a
> profit, and is unable to pay it's electric bill to run the trains. During
> the 3 years, trains have hit, on average, one car per month, injuring many
> occupants.
> Someone made the decision to spend Billions for a system that, to date, is
> a business failure.
> In my considered opinion, self driving cars fall into that same category.
> America is a country of individual freedom. In action, the "light rail" and
> "self driving cars" both push against that base mind set. Ultimately, the
> law of UN-intended consequences will bite them both.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Nor maintain flight attitude.
>> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>>  I'm wondering why there seems to be no focus on self driving trains.
>>> Seems like thats low hanging fruit, you don't have to steer...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6's

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Well first of all what is the issue you are having?


Won't move.  Whining.  Replaced conductor plate, fluid, filter.  Cleaned
out oil-soaked computer.  Moved great for 1/4 mile or so, then pretty
much reverted to pre-repair behavior.  New filter clogged with crap from
a coolant-soaked interior that's flaking into mush?

I was of the impression that the output shaft arrangement was different on
> the 4Matics than the standard sedans.


Exactly.  But both vehicles here are 4matic.

Is a different tranny gonna talk to the nannies ok and everybody be happy?


But what _is_ the difference?  One the computer can't see wouldn't be a
problem.

Would you need to re-educate the nannies?
>

And is such even possible?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Cant really disagree with any of that Curt.

I generally time flights into and out of LAX to avoid traffic. The billion
dollar hov lane on the 405 was a complete waste of money. What a
boondoggle.

There is a new tax to support mass transit but the housing development
always seems to happen before the transport infrastructure to support it is
in place. So gridlock will continue for a decade or more I imagine.

Anyway you are always welcome to stop by for a beer as we are pretty close
to that route if you take the 405.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 7:33 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> On the one hand I can't disagree with you on the safety front, our species
> is singularly bad at accurately judging risk, look at all the people afraid
> to fly but willing to drive for instance.
>
> On the other hand I like driving and some joy would be lost should I not
> be able to. Also how is a self-driving car going to deal with my cabin 3/4
> mile from the road?
>
> As for heavy traffic, our poorly designed cities and lack of public
> transport are largely to blame. When I go to LA I end up driving from LAX
> to Burbank which takes too long in the best of times. I'd love to be able
> to take the train but its so terribly inconvenient its actually easier to
> drive. Someday when the rail extension to the airport is done it might be
> feasible, I look at it each time I'm there and it seems like progress is
> being made but only when measured against the fact that I've been making
> this trip for a decade, the month to month progress seems to be essentially
> zero...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, June 1, 2018, 1:42:04 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> The bar is set fairly low in terms of human controlled car accident rates
> and humans coping with unexpected failures.
>
> There seems to be a greater willingness to accept human errors than machine
> errors. Not sure this is entirely rational.
>
> Humans are really bad drivers. If a machine can do it reliably better then
> bring it on. When I am old, I dont think I will be saying I wish I spent
> more time driving. The best car is the one you never have to drive, so you
> can spend your limited time on earth doing more interesting stuff.
>
> Think of all the consciousness wasted by people sitting in stop and go
> traffic, concentrating on the bumper ahead. And the negative effects on
> stress and mood. What a drain on humanity.
>
> Why is a human running a red light and t boning me so much better than a
> machine doing it? Or a machine wrecking my car instead of me somehow worse?
> What matters is the overall performance across the population vs current
> technology.
>
> Ultimately the costs and benefits of these things will speak for
> themselves. I'm pretty sure the machines are already better. Waymo has
> driven millions of miles on public roads now. Fiat just sold them another
> 20k minivans to use as driverless taxis. You dont buy 20,000 minivans
> unless you are pretty sure about what you are going to do with them.
>
>
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[MBZ] G-wagen: Refreshing or Revolting?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

http://www.motortrend.com/news/refreshing-or-revolting-mercedes-benz-g-class/

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Hi Max,

For now it doesnt seem like anyone is mandating the driverless stuff or
even collision avoidance. If people feel squeamish enough, the driverless
taxi/truck will flop despite the labor cost savings. It will be interesting
to see if it can survive, but I will bet that if it is good enough then
people will forget their qualms fairly quickly.

Freedom applies just as equally to people who select autonomous cars as it
does to people who do not. Reasonable people will differ on this. Several
years back I read an interview where a google testing engineer said that
his wife got nervous whenever he would take over the wheel from the
computer, because she felt safer with the computer.

For me, the labor implications are probably the biggest issue. What are
several million taxi drivers, truck drivers, delivery people etc supposed
to do for work when they are suddenly rendered obsolete by machines? It is
potentially socially destabilizing technology.

Anyway how many lives would this technology have to save per year per
100,000 people for the benefit to outweigh the downside of reduced
individual liberty? I would like to be free to use the freeway without
fearing immature, reckless and distracted drivers killing me. There are
probably far more of them here than in NC, admittedly, but that is why we
are a federation of states.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 5:21 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Karl,
>
> I think this comes down to individual liberty (and the responsibility that
> goes with it) vs. the serfdom of handing over control to the "other".
>
> Just like I don't want the government or the health insco deciding on my
> healthcare options, I don't want to pay extra for people I've never met and
> never will meet to completely control my car and my family when riding in
> that car.  I'd much rather take the risk and control my own life, than hand
> over control.
>
> A car is an immensely liberating invention.  A car is hugely important for
> individual financial success.  In my case a dependable car is vitally
> necessary for hurricane evacuation.
>
> Yes, the bar is EXTREMELY high for an autonomous car to take over the job
> that I can do just fine, thank you.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:41 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The bar is set fairly low in terms of human controlled car accident rates
> > and humans coping with unexpected failures.
> >
> > There seems to be a greater willingness to accept human errors than
> machine
> > errors. Not sure this is entirely rational.
> >
> > Humans are really bad drivers. If a machine can do it reliably better
> then
> > bring it on. When I am old, I dont think I will be saying I wish I spent
> > more time driving. The best car is the one you never have to drive, so
> you
> > can spend your limited time on earth doing more interesting stuff.
> >
> > Think of all the consciousness wasted by people sitting in stop and go
> > traffic, concentrating on the bumper ahead. And the negative effects on
> > stress and mood. What a drain on humanity.
> >
> > Why is a human running a red light and t boning me so much better than a
> > machine doing it? Or a machine wrecking my car instead of me somehow
> worse?
> > What matters is the overall performance across the population vs current
> > technology.
> >
> > Ultimately the costs and benefits of these things will speak for
> > themselves. I'm pretty sure the machines are already better. Waymo has
> > driven millions of miles on public roads now. Fiat just sold them another
> > 20k minivans to use as driverless taxis. You dont buy 20,000 minivans
> > unless you are pretty sure about what you are going to do with them.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Don's New Plane

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That concept fascinates me.  An inflatable airplane

I can see that being useful on a boat, especially if the plane is capable of 
take off and landing from water.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Might be over my head

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On June 1, 2018 at 6:26 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> So it was a television show. I never would have guessed.
> 
> 

What's hard to guess is that television show was effectively a parody of 
youtube DIY videos before youtube even existed. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Don's New Plane

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I understand there is only ONE of those planes left in existence.
Interesting that it actually made it to limited production however.


On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 4:24 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > If they had an air compressor attached to the engine, they could handle
> > quite a few arrow holes …
> >
> >
> They did . . .
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Don's New Plane

[OK Don via Mercedes]

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> If they had an air compressor attached to the engine, they could handle
> quite a few arrow holes …
>
>
They did . . .


-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Recent discussion about hands-free phone device

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 12:23:28 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The very best noise canceling radio mic is the Telex Turner Roadking
> RK56.  None do a better job canceling noise, or sound better.  There is
> an Astatic and some Motorola that come close.  But in a truck cab so
> loud I would wear earplugs, I would get the radio mic gain turned down
> enough and the RK56 would make clean, intelligible audio for
> transmission.

Thank you for the information, Philip. I will need to buy a microphone
and appreciate knowing what the best.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Might be over my head

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 17:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> > On June 1, 2018 at 4:38 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> > wrote: For the ignorant and uninformed, what is the reference?
> > 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6MgODqMZc

So it was a television show. I never would have guessed.


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Re: [MBZ] This 210 diesel

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I took it out for a quick spin. Was smoking a lot on and off, running rough 
then ok, not shifting well. I’m thinking that EGR is acting up or maybe the 
vacuum is screwy on it or both. I’ll have to check it tomorrow. I need to do 
the EGR bypass too, splice those wires to the sensor then disable it. 

Or maybe it was a bad tank of fuel or something. I guess I need to fool with it 
some more. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 4:14 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Fresh tank of diesel, maybe add some Diesel Purge to the tank or some other
> injector cleaner, and start driving that beast.  I think you just need to
> drive it more often.
> 
> -
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> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Might be over my head

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I used to watch this all the time with my ex partner, a Canadian.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>
> > On June 1, 2018 at 4:38 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> > For the ignorant and uninformed, what is the reference?
> >
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6MgODqMZc
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Might be over my head

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> On June 1, 2018 at 4:38 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> For the ignorant and uninformed, what is the reference?
> 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6MgODqMZc

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Might be over my head

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 19:08:59 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>   I've actually got a pair of the suspenders, signed by the man
> himself. I got Buster to pose in the background so you'd know they're
> really mine:
> 
> https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1750/42500305861_a4c286db18_b.jpg
> 
> Somewhere I've got a picture with Steve when I got him to make the
> signature.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, June 1, 2018, 2:55:00 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote: 
>  Glad to see SOMEBODY got the reference...

For the ignorant and uninformed, what is the reference?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Don's New Plane

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 13:07:53 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  - the United States Army, ultimately cancelled the project when it
> could not find a "valid military use for an aircraft that could be
> brought down by a well-aimed bow and arrow." Says it all.

If they had an air compressor attached to the engine, they could handle
quite a few arrow holes ...


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Re: [MBZ] This 210 diesel

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Fresh tank of diesel, maybe add some Diesel Purge to the tank or some other
injector cleaner, and start driving that beast.  I think you just need to
drive it more often.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] This 210 diesel

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On 01/06/2018 1:29 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

The other day it was not running well so I parked it. (Recall I had cleaned the 
EGR when I got it and it would barely run and then it ran fine.) Tried to start 
it a few days later and really did not want to start at all. It has a coupla 
bad glow plugs but before it would start just smoke a bunch. I got a new fuel 
filter but the one in the car was fine and fuel looked ok in the bowl so I left 
it in there.

Today I got it to start after glowing and cranking a few times and it was 
running pretty rough at lower RPM like below 3000 but fine over that. And 
didn’t want to keep running at idle or up to maybe 2k.

I nursed it along a bit and it was belching smoke like it usually does at 
start. It finally started running ok after a few minutes so I let it idle and 
the smoke subsided too.  (Good against the skeeters though). Seemed to be 
running fine and smooth after sitting awhile then but I have not driven it yet 
to see how it is on the road.

I’m trying to figure out what this might be. It didn’t have a lot of fuel in it 
when I got it so I filled it up. It ran fine for awhile but then started 
running poorly. I was thinking bad fuel or clogged filter but filter looked 
fine. I don’t know if there is another one like a tank filter. Doesn’t look 
like there is a clear one like on the 617 just the main canister filter.

I guess I’ll keep monitoring it and see what happens and try to think of other 
issues. Bad or clogged injectors?  Fuel pump? I don’t know enough about these 
moderne things to think or look for other simple problems.

Any thoughts welcomed.

--R


Have you checked the compression numbers?
Sounds like what my old car was doing before I adjusted the valves.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Might be over my head

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You have a pair of autographed RED GREEEN suspenders??

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>   I've actually got a pair of the suspenders, signed by the man himself. I
> got Buster to pose in the background so you'd know they're really mine:
>
> https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1750/42500305861_a4c286db18_b.jpg
>
> Somewhere I've got a picture with Steve when I got him to make the
> signature.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, June 1, 2018, 2:55:00 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Glad to see SOMEBODY got the reference...
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Max will be sending you red and green suspenders as a prize.
> >
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Remember, we're all pulling for you Curt!
> >>
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Might be over my head

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

  I've actually got a pair of the suspenders, signed by the man himself. I got 
Buster to pose in the background so you'd know they're really mine:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1750/42500305861_a4c286db18_b.jpg

Somewhere I've got a picture with Steve when I got him to make the signature.

-Curt

On Friday, June 1, 2018, 2:55:00 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Glad to see SOMEBODY got the reference...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Max will be sending you red and green suspenders as a prize.
>
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Remember, we're all pulling for you Curt!
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Dirt cheap 1984 318i BMW on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My Dad had one of the Horizon TC3s.  I always remember how he was amazed that 
the aftermarket sunroof the dealer had put in it never leaked.

-D


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yikes.  I meant RODE in the back seat.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I once road in the back seat - every bump resonated through my spine.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> They did 0-60 in the same 10.2 seconds as the 2.2L non-turbo
>>> Omni/Horizons.
>>> Which would make the road testers call them painfully slow today.
>>> Back in 1989, my Horizon was pretty quick for an economy car.
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] This 210 diesel

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

y'all are so helpful

--FT


On 6/1/18 2:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

You need a tune up.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Just have dumped that pos on me when you had the chance.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

The other day it was not running well so I parked it. (Recall I had

cleaned the EGR when I got it and it would barely run and then it ran
fine.) Tried to start it a few days later and really did not want to start
at all. It has a coupla bad glow plugs but before it would start just smoke
a bunch. I got a new fuel filter but the one in the car was fine and fuel
looked ok in the bowl so I left it in there.

Today I got it to start after glowing and cranking a few times and it

was running pretty rough at lower RPM like below 3000 but fine over that.
And didn’t want to keep running at idle or up to maybe 2k.

I nursed it along a bit and it was belching smoke like it usually does

at start. It finally started running ok after a few minutes so I let it
idle and the smoke subsided too.  (Good against the skeeters though).
Seemed to be running fine and smooth after sitting awhile then but I have
not driven it yet to see how it is on the road.

I’m trying to figure out what this might be. It didn’t have a lot of

fuel in it when I got it so I filled it up. It ran fine for awhile but then
started running poorly. I was thinking bad fuel or clogged filter but
filter looked fine. I don’t know if there is another one like a tank
filter. Doesn’t look like there is a clear one like on the 617 just the
main canister filter.

I guess I’ll keep monitoring it and see what happens and try to think of

other issues. Bad or clogged injectors?  Fuel pump? I don’t know enough
about these moderne things to think or look for other simple problems.

Any thoughts welcomed.

--R
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Re: [MBZ] Dirt cheap 1984 318i BMW on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yikes.  I meant RODE in the back seat.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I once road in the back seat - every bump resonated through my spine.
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > They did 0-60 in the same 10.2 seconds as the 2.2L non-turbo
> > Omni/Horizons.
> > Which would make the road testers call them painfully slow today.
> > Back in 1989, my Horizon was pretty quick for an economy car.
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Might be over my head

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Glad to see SOMEBODY got the reference...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Max will be sending you red and green suspenders as a prize.
>
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Remember, we're all pulling for you Curt!
>>
>> -
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>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

But he's a lot richer than you or I X infinity.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I called STINK on Musk years ago.   He is all BS.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Tesla in Autopilot mode hits parked police car in Calif.Published:
>> Wednesday, May 30, 2018
>>
>> A Tesla Inc. electric vehicle in Autopilot mode yesterday crashed into a
>> parked police car in Laguna Beach, Calif., authorities said.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Dirt cheap 1984 318i BMW on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I once road in the back seat - every bump resonated through my spine.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They did 0-60 in the same 10.2 seconds as the 2.2L non-turbo
> Omni/Horizons.
> Which would make the road testers call them painfully slow today.
> Back in 1989, my Horizon was pretty quick for an economy car.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] This 210 diesel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You need a tune up.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just have dumped that pos on me when you had the chance.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The other day it was not running well so I parked it. (Recall I had
> cleaned the EGR when I got it and it would barely run and then it ran
> fine.) Tried to start it a few days later and really did not want to start
> at all. It has a coupla bad glow plugs but before it would start just smoke
> a bunch. I got a new fuel filter but the one in the car was fine and fuel
> looked ok in the bowl so I left it in there.
> >
> > Today I got it to start after glowing and cranking a few times and it
> was running pretty rough at lower RPM like below 3000 but fine over that.
> And didn’t want to keep running at idle or up to maybe 2k.
> >
> > I nursed it along a bit and it was belching smoke like it usually does
> at start. It finally started running ok after a few minutes so I let it
> idle and the smoke subsided too.  (Good against the skeeters though).
> Seemed to be running fine and smooth after sitting awhile then but I have
> not driven it yet to see how it is on the road.
> >
> > I’m trying to figure out what this might be. It didn’t have a lot of
> fuel in it when I got it so I filled it up. It ran fine for awhile but then
> started running poorly. I was thinking bad fuel or clogged filter but
> filter looked fine. I don’t know if there is another one like a tank
> filter. Doesn’t look like there is a clear one like on the 617 just the
> main canister filter.
> >
> > I guess I’ll keep monitoring it and see what happens and try to think of
> other issues. Bad or clogged injectors?  Fuel pump? I don’t know enough
> about these moderne things to think or look for other simple problems.
> >
> > Any thoughts welcomed.
> >
> > --R
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

But don't you live far far away in the desert?

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 12:33 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I'm seeing an excellent example of the urban socialization in action here
> with bicycles. The city spent multiple Billion$ of federal money
> constructing a light rail system, which destroyed established businesses
> along it's entire route, because the rail line down the middle of the
> street blocks access to "the other side of the street" businesses. Then, to
> encourage users of the "light rail" system to ride and actually get to
> their business or work, bicycle stands were placed with rent bikes unlocked
> and rented by smart phone. The bikes are yellow or green. After just a few
> months, the homeless have found a way to unlock the "smart phone locked
> bikes" and steal and strip them, or use them at will. Yellow and Green
> bikes are now found in alleys being used as free transportation by the
> homeless and addicted. The bike company is part of "public transport" and
> now complaining about the upkeep cost and lack of traffic.
> The "light rail" company has, after 3 years of operation, failed to make a
> profit, and is unable to pay it's electric bill to run the trains. During
> the 3 years, trains have hit, on average, one car per month, injuring many
> occupants.
> Someone made the decision to spend Billions for a system that, to date, is
> a business failure.
> In my considered opinion, self driving cars fall into that same category.
> America is a country of individual freedom. In action, the "light rail" and
> "self driving cars" both push against that base mind set. Ultimately, the
> law of UN-intended consequences will bite them both.
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Nor maintain flight attitude.
> >
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >>   I'm wondering why there seems to be no focus on self driving trains.
> >> Seems like thats low hanging fruit, you don't have to steer...
> >> -Curt
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] This 210 diesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just have dumped that pos on me when you had the chance.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The other day it was not running well so I parked it. (Recall I had cleaned 
> the EGR when I got it and it would barely run and then it ran fine.) Tried to 
> start it a few days later and really did not want to start at all. It has a 
> coupla bad glow plugs but before it would start just smoke a bunch. I got a 
> new fuel filter but the one in the car was fine and fuel looked ok in the 
> bowl so I left it in there. 
> 
> Today I got it to start after glowing and cranking a few times and it was 
> running pretty rough at lower RPM like below 3000 but fine over that. And 
> didn’t want to keep running at idle or up to maybe 2k. 
> 
> I nursed it along a bit and it was belching smoke like it usually does at 
> start. It finally started running ok after a few minutes so I let it idle and 
> the smoke subsided too.  (Good against the skeeters though). Seemed to be 
> running fine and smooth after sitting awhile then but I have not driven it 
> yet to see how it is on the road. 
> 
> I’m trying to figure out what this might be. It didn’t have a lot of fuel in 
> it when I got it so I filled it up. It ran fine for awhile but then started 
> running poorly. I was thinking bad fuel or clogged filter but filter looked 
> fine. I don’t know if there is another one like a tank filter. Doesn’t look 
> like there is a clear one like on the 617 just the main canister filter. 
> 
> I guess I’ll keep monitoring it and see what happens and try to think of 
> other issues. Bad or clogged injectors?  Fuel pump? I don’t know enough about 
> these moderne things to think or look for other simple problems. 
> 
> Any thoughts welcomed. 
> 
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And my point was that there *were* models that came with the spring and it was 
not aftermarket.  Ever.  For that matter, it was the original design.

-D

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That may be true for a minority of cars of that era, but AFAIK the standard
> issue 108 sedans and 111 coupes of that era left the factory with rear axle
> compensators.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Bt
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> BZZZT! WRONG!
>>> 
>>> The spring kit is NOT an “aftermarket cop out”.  It was an option from
>> Mercedes for cars used in heavier service, such as taxis, and was delivered
>> that way if the car was ordered for that option.  There were two different
>> springs available, one that was harder and increased ground clearance, one
>> that was softer.
>>> 
>>> From my W110 service manual:
>>> 
>>> 110 329 05 01 - “intended for vehicles with increased ground clearance"
>>> 110 329 04 01 - softer spring for lighter loaded applications
>>> 
>>> The use of the spring predates the hydrocompensator, as the basic swing
>> axle design (starting with a spring and not a hydrocompensator) began in
>> 1953 and went through 1973.  The Pontons used the swing axle and it had a
>> spring.
>>> 
>>> Where’s Peter?  He knows all this stuff.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 1, 2018, at 11:30 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
 
 No way.  The spring kit is an aftermarket cop out.  BTW, I paid about
>> $300 - $400 for my compensators, although granted they may be slightly
>> priceire now.
 
 On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
 You do realize that some came that way….AND the hydrocompensator is
>> stupid expensive.
 
 -D
 
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[MBZ] This 210 diesel

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The other day it was not running well so I parked it. (Recall I had cleaned the 
EGR when I got it and it would barely run and then it ran fine.) Tried to start 
it a few days later and really did not want to start at all. It has a coupla 
bad glow plugs but before it would start just smoke a bunch. I got a new fuel 
filter but the one in the car was fine and fuel looked ok in the bowl so I left 
it in there. 

Today I got it to start after glowing and cranking a few times and it was 
running pretty rough at lower RPM like below 3000 but fine over that. And 
didn’t want to keep running at idle or up to maybe 2k. 

I nursed it along a bit and it was belching smoke like it usually does at 
start. It finally started running ok after a few minutes so I let it idle and 
the smoke subsided too.  (Good against the skeeters though). Seemed to be 
running fine and smooth after sitting awhile then but I have not driven it yet 
to see how it is on the road. 

I’m trying to figure out what this might be. It didn’t have a lot of fuel in it 
when I got it so I filled it up. It ran fine for awhile but then started 
running poorly. I was thinking bad fuel or clogged filter but filter looked 
fine. I don’t know if there is another one like a tank filter. Doesn’t look 
like there is a clear one like on the 617 just the main canister filter. 

I guess I’ll keep monitoring it and see what happens and try to think of other 
issues. Bad or clogged injectors?  Fuel pump? I don’t know enough about these 
moderne things to think or look for other simple problems. 

Any thoughts welcomed. 

--R
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Re: [MBZ] Don's New Plane

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On June 1, 2018 at 2:07 PM OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
>  - the United States Army, ultimately cancelled the project when it could
> not find a "valid military use for an aircraft that could be brought down
> by a well-aimed bow and arrow." Says it all.


So that's why they never used helicopters in the 1950s?
No, wait...

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Don's New Plane

[OK Don via Mercedes]

 - the United States Army, ultimately cancelled the project when it could
not find a "valid military use for an aircraft that could be brought down
by a well-aimed bow and arrow." Says it all.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 7:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Forget the Luscombe, Don, you need one of these:
>
> https://youtu.be/gMXfyV_nJSI
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That may be true for a minority of cars of that era, but AFAIK the standard
issue 108 sedans and 111 coupes of that era left the factory with rear axle
compensators.



On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > BZZZT! WRONG!
> >
> > The spring kit is NOT an “aftermarket cop out”.  It was an option from
> Mercedes for cars used in heavier service, such as taxis, and was delivered
> that way if the car was ordered for that option.  There were two different
> springs available, one that was harder and increased ground clearance, one
> that was softer.
> >
> > From my W110 service manual:
> >
> > 110 329 05 01 - “intended for vehicles with increased ground clearance"
> > 110 329 04 01 - softer spring for lighter loaded applications
> >
> > The use of the spring predates the hydrocompensator, as the basic swing
> axle design (starting with a spring and not a hydrocompensator) began in
> 1953 and went through 1973.  The Pontons used the swing axle and it had a
> spring.
> >
> > Where’s Peter?  He knows all this stuff.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 1, 2018, at 11:30 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> No way.  The spring kit is an aftermarket cop out.  BTW, I paid about
> $300 - $400 for my compensators, although granted they may be slightly
> priceire now.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >> You do realize that some came that way….AND the hydrocompensator is
> stupid expensive.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Recent discussion about hands-free phone device

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Craig wrote:

> There arrived today in my email one from Overdrive about "5
> tools to get the job done". 

> It contains:

> Introducing New RoadKing® Noise-canceling Headsets

The very best noise canceling radio mic is the 
Telex Turner Roadking RK56.  None do a better job canceling noise,
or sound better.  There is an Astatic and some Motorola that come
close.  But in a truck cab so loud I would wear earplugs, I would
get the radio mic gain turned down enough and the RK56 would make
clean, intelligible audio for transmission.

Is the RoadKing headset as good?  Probably not - but it still may
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Re: [MBZ] A New Day Has Dawned

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Mitch wrote:

> But why do so many people insist on putting the W designation on
> wagons?

I don'k know.  I've often wondered that myself.

> Isn't the chassis an S210?

Yes.  At least it was up to the 123.

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Re: [MBZ] gearwrench to the rescue (OM616 Rear IP Bolt)

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/06/2018 10:33 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
You may, or may not recall that I had trouble  last fall getting the 
bolt in the back of the IP on the 240D  (123.123)  I could get the 
bolt up there, but there was no room to turn it with fingers or wrench 
to get it started.  I wrapped the bolt head in  blue paper shop towel, 
and stuck it in the gearwrench, and tore off the towel on the thread 
side.   with this, i could get the bolt up there, with one hand but 
still cold not turn it.  I got a paint paddle, and used it wedged 
against the oelfilter housing to push on the head of the gearwrench so 
that it would ratchet when I oscillated the handle a few degrees at a 
time.  enough to get a click or three on the ratchet.


I got the bolt in.  All is well.  While I was at it, I got the the new 
(used) transmission exhaust hanger installed too.  Now it is ready for 
the road, except the autotrans is still weak in the 2-3 shift.



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I assume this means you have gone north for the summer?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: and another thing

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes That is the correct mantra. I got new burner tubes for our Webber &
will install them next week. Also new thermometer.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On May 31, 2018 3:12 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I'd ordered some new grill grates for my old Vermont Castings gas grill. I
> got it from a coworker in 2010. He spent big money to replace it, I put in
> a new burner and its been fine.
>
> Took everything apart to clean before putting in the new grates and found
> a great big hole in the top of the burner. I could *probably* weld a patch
> in but cleaning revealed another hole. Probably there are many more just
> waiting to appear.
>
> This is the point where I tried the new grill grates only to find them
> 1/2" too small... Fortunately (kinda) one bar was split so I can return
> them to Amazon.
>
> So back to grillpartssearch.com where I bought the last burner. This time
> I bought the upgrade "premium" stainless burner, new venturi tubes, new
> grill grates of the right size, a new briquette rack and new ceramic
> briquettes. $150 which is 1/4 what the neighbor is paying for a brand new
> Webber grill to be delivered "soon". Should take an hour or two to put in
> all the parts when they arrive, I might even fix the ignitor while I'm at
> it, I never bothered to hook it up when I got the grill...
>
> Get good stuff, fix it when it breaks, pay less overall.
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I'm seeing an excellent example of the urban socialization in action here
with bicycles. The city spent multiple Billion$ of federal money
constructing a light rail system, which destroyed established businesses
along it's entire route, because the rail line down the middle of the
street blocks access to "the other side of the street" businesses. Then, to
encourage users of the "light rail" system to ride and actually get to
their business or work, bicycle stands were placed with rent bikes unlocked
and rented by smart phone. The bikes are yellow or green. After just a few
months, the homeless have found a way to unlock the "smart phone locked
bikes" and steal and strip them, or use them at will. Yellow and Green
bikes are now found in alleys being used as free transportation by the
homeless and addicted. The bike company is part of "public transport" and
now complaining about the upkeep cost and lack of traffic.
The "light rail" company has, after 3 years of operation, failed to make a
profit, and is unable to pay it's electric bill to run the trains. During
the 3 years, trains have hit, on average, one car per month, injuring many
occupants.
Someone made the decision to spend Billions for a system that, to date, is
a business failure.
In my considered opinion, self driving cars fall into that same category.
America is a country of individual freedom. In action, the "light rail" and
"self driving cars" both push against that base mind set. Ultimately, the
law of UN-intended consequences will bite them both.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Nor maintain flight attitude.
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>>   I'm wondering why there seems to be no focus on self driving trains.
>> Seems like thats low hanging fruit, you don't have to steer...
>> -Curt
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Recent discussion about hands-free phone device

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thanks Craig.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jun 1, 2018 9:22 AM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:

> There arrived today in my email one from Overdrive about "5 tools to get
> the job done". The web page for that is at:
>
> http://click1.email.overdriveonline.com/ViewMessage.do?m=wwdvsswl=
> svcbmrjvmr=athgcmvldrtlrcdymvhrygcmchcbslldbzl=1527856001=view
>
> If you just want the Spring Gear Guide web page, it's at:
>
> https://www.overdriveonline.com/gear/spring-gear-guide-
> has-info-tips-on-bluetooth-headsets-and-more/
>
> And, finally, if you want the Guide itself, it's at:
>
> https://www.paperturn-view.com/us/das/truckers-gear-
> guide-spring-edition?pid=MjM23963=1.52_medium=
> TruckersNews-Site-Skins_campaign=Rewards
>
> You can view it online if you would like or download a PDF (which is
> 2 MB).
>
> It contains:
>
> The Truckers Guide to Bluetooth® Headsets
> Introducing New RoadKing® Noise-canceling Headsets
> Plantronics® Voyager 104 Headset
> BlueParrott® B450-XT Headset
> BlueParrott® B250-XT Headset
> Pro Driver Tip
> Garmin® Garmin Speak™
> Garmin® dēzl™ 580 LMT-S GPS
> Mobile Tech Shopping Centers on America’s Highways
> Survey Results: A Series of Questions about Mobile Technology?
> Mophie® Power Banks
> Skullcandy® Inkʼd Wireless Earbuds
> TomTom® Trucker 620 GPS
> Start the Crusade for Safety with Your CB Radio
> Cobra® 29 LTD & 29 LX MAX CB Radios
> Cobra® CDR 855 BT Dash Cam
> New RoadKing® Heavy-duty Mobile Device Cases
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: and another thing

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yep.

Wayta go!  Good work!

I've been using a kmart imitation weber kettle I found on the curb maybe 
20 years ago.  had to buy a new lower grate for it a few years ago.  
$15, I think.  I seldom see good grills on the roadside anymore, but the 
guy who runs a body shop and collects and crushes junk cars has a yard 
full of SS gas grills that look good to me.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I'd ordered some new grill grates for my old Vermont Castings gas grill. I got 
it from a coworker in 2010. He spent big money to replace it, I put in a new 
burner and its been fine.

Took everything apart to clean before putting in the new grates and found a 
great big hole in the top of the burner. I could *probably* weld a patch in but 
cleaning revealed another hole. Probably there are many more just waiting to 
appear.

This is the point where I tried the new grill grates only to find them 1/2" too 
small... Fortunately (kinda) one bar was split so I can return them to Amazon.

So back to grillpartssearch.com where I bought the last burner. This time I bought the upgrade 
"premium" stainless burner, new venturi tubes, new grill grates of the right size, a new 
briquette rack and new ceramic briquettes. $150 which is 1/4 what the neighbor is paying for a 
brand new Webber grill to be delivered "soon". Should take an hour or two to put in all 
the parts when they arrive, I might even fix the ignitor while I'm at it, I never bothered to hook 
it up when I got the grill...

Get good stuff, fix it when it breaks, pay less overall.

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Might be over my head

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Max will be sending you red and green suspenders as a prize.

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Remember, we're all pulling for you Curt!

-
Max
Charleston SC





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nor maintain flight attitude.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  I'm wondering why there seems to be no focus on self driving trains. Seems 
like thats low hanging fruit, you don't have to steer...
-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I called STINK on Musk years ago.   He is all BS.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Tesla in Autopilot mode hits parked police car in Calif.Published:
Wednesday, May 30, 2018

A Tesla Inc. electric vehicle in Autopilot mode yesterday crashed into a
parked police car in Laguna Beach, Calif., authorities said.




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Re: [MBZ] Dirt cheap 1984 318i BMW on BAT

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

They did 0-60 in the same 10.2 seconds as the 2.2L non-turbo Omni/Horizons. 
Which would make the road testers call them painfully slow today.
Back in 1989, my Horizon was pretty quick for an economy car.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] gearwrench to the rescue (OM616 Rear IP Bolt)

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What I HATE about Gearwrenches:
They don't like to ratchet, they're way too stiff, so you find yourself 
sticking your other hand on them just to make them click. I soaked my whole set 
in Mobil One the day I bought them, but it didn't make them ratchet any better. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Bt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> BZZZT! WRONG!
> 
> The spring kit is NOT an “aftermarket cop out”.  It was an option from 
> Mercedes for cars used in heavier service, such as taxis, and was delivered 
> that way if the car was ordered for that option.  There were two different 
> springs available, one that was harder and increased ground clearance, one 
> that was softer.
> 
> From my W110 service manual:
> 
> 110 329 05 01 - “intended for vehicles with increased ground clearance"
> 110 329 04 01 - softer spring for lighter loaded applications
> 
> The use of the spring predates the hydrocompensator, as the basic swing axle 
> design (starting with a spring and not a hydrocompensator) began in 1953 and 
> went through 1973.  The Pontons used the swing axle and it had a spring.
> 
> Where’s Peter?  He knows all this stuff.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 11:30 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>> 
>> No way.  The spring kit is an aftermarket cop out.  BTW, I paid about $300 - 
>> $400 for my compensators, although granted they may be slightly priceire 
>> now. 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> You do realize that some came that way….AND the hydrocompensator is stupid 
>> expensive.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

BZZZT! WRONG!

The spring kit is NOT an “aftermarket cop out”.  It was an option from Mercedes 
for cars used in heavier service, such as taxis, and was delivered that way if 
the car was ordered for that option.  There were two different springs 
available, one that was harder and increased ground clearance, one that was 
softer.

From my W110 service manual:

110 329 05 01 - “intended for vehicles with increased ground clearance"
110 329 04 01 - softer spring for lighter loaded applications

The use of the spring predates the hydrocompensator, as the basic swing axle 
design (starting with a spring and not a hydrocompensator) began in 1953 and 
went through 1973.  The Pontons used the swing axle and it had a spring.

Where’s Peter?  He knows all this stuff.

-D


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 11:30 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> No way.  The spring kit is an aftermarket cop out.  BTW, I paid about $300 - 
> $400 for my compensators, although granted they may be slightly priceire now. 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> You do realize that some came that way….AND the hydrocompensator is stupid 
> expensive.
> 
> -D
> 

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[MBZ] 80 240D

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

This is the white mojave one, that has been on reserve status for almost 
15 years.  The same one I converted form the $400 GP relay to the $150 
one.  It fired right up after living in the garage for the past 7 or so 
years.  The brakes are dragging, but the clutch worked just fine.  
Whenever I can get a title and license for it, and do some work under 
the dash, it will be ready to go.  Then I will work on sanding and 
painting...




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[MBZ] gearwrench to the rescue (OM616 Rear IP Bolt)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You may, or may not recall that I had trouble  last fall getting the 
bolt in the back of the IP on the 240D  (123.123)  I could get the bolt 
up there, but there was no room to turn it with fingers or wrench to get 
it started.  I wrapped the bolt head in  blue paper shop towel, and 
stuck it in the gearwrench, and tore off the towel on the thread side.   
with this, i could get the bolt up there, with one hand but still cold 
not turn it.  I got a paint paddle, and used it wedged against the 
oelfilter housing to push on the head of the gearwrench so that it would 
ratchet when I oscillated the handle a few degrees at a time.  enough to 
get a click or three on the ratchet.


I got the bolt in.  All is well.  While I was at it, I got the the new 
(used) transmission exhaust hanger installed too.  Now it is ready for 
the road, except the autotrans is still weak in the 2-3 shift.



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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No way.  The spring kit is an aftermarket cop out.  BTW, I paid about $300
- $400 for my compensators, although granted they may be slightly priceire
now.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You do realize that some came that way….AND the hydrocompensator is stupid
> expensive.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jun 1, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > The spring kit "fix" is an abomination.  For my 108 sedan and 111 coupes
> I made sure to remove the springs and replace them with an OEM rear axle
> compensator.  Made a HUGE difference in ride and handling characteristics.
> To paraphrase Dimitri, anyone who swaps in a rear axle spring kit is a
> doofus.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Ahh, I see that.  I may try this out.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes. You can do a search then it gives you the option to turn on
> alerts. It is not all that reliable though as I have happened across cars
> that had been posted for a while that never showed up on an alert.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I would agree, but I’ve started watching it locally, as a couple of
> potential prospects have come up and sold well around here.  There was a
> 1969 250S that allegedly had a bad transmission in it that sold for like
> $3500 a couple of weeks ago.  I would have been all over that had I seen it
> in time.  It was really nice otherwise.  A Sun Valley rebuild (if it really
> needed it) would have been well worth dropping in it at that price.
> > >>
> > >> I wonder if there is a way to set up alerts for stuff on the
> Marketplace?  I don’t do FB any more than I have to….
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] A New Day Has Dawned

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Does Grant have something against appliances??  If so, feel free to wash my
clothes and dishes by hand.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:25 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The car is singularly underwhelming. It reeks of the "appliance mentality".
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Looks like a blimpy minivan.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 2WD, appliance white, black interior.
> > > Doesn't get much more 'regular' than that.
> > > But why do so many people insist on putting the W designation on
> wagons?
> > > Isn't the chassis an S210?
> > >
> > > They're also auctioning a 1991 560SEC, for the 14th time.
> > > Mitch.
> > >
> > > > On June 1, 2018 at 8:43 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BAT is auctioning a W210 second generation wagon.  I never thought I
> > > would see the day when they auctioned a “regular” W210 model.
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Re: [MBZ] A New Day Has Dawned

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The car is singularly underwhelming. It reeks of the "appliance mentality".

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Looks like a blimpy minivan.
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > 2WD, appliance white, black interior.
> > Doesn't get much more 'regular' than that.
> > But why do so many people insist on putting the W designation on wagons?
> > Isn't the chassis an S210?
> >
> > They're also auctioning a 1991 560SEC, for the 14th time.
> > Mitch.
> >
> > > On June 1, 2018 at 8:43 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > BAT is auctioning a W210 second generation wagon.  I never thought I
> > would see the day when they auctioned a “regular” W210 model.
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You do realize that some came that way….AND the hydrocompensator is stupid 
expensive.

-D


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> The spring kit "fix" is an abomination.  For my 108 sedan and 111 coupes I 
> made sure to remove the springs and replace them with an OEM rear axle 
> compensator.  Made a HUGE difference in ride and handling characteristics.  
> To paraphrase Dimitri, anyone who swaps in a rear axle spring kit is a doofus.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Ahh, I see that.  I may try this out.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Yes. You can do a search then it gives you the option to turn on alerts. It 
> > is not all that reliable though as I have happened across cars that had 
> > been posted for a while that never showed up on an alert. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> I would agree, but I’ve started watching it locally, as a couple of 
> >> potential prospects have come up and sold well around here.  There was a 
> >> 1969 250S that allegedly had a bad transmission in it that sold for like 
> >> $3500 a couple of weeks ago.  I would have been all over that had I seen 
> >> it in time.  It was really nice otherwise.  A Sun Valley rebuild (if it 
> >> really needed it) would have been well worth dropping in it at that price.
> >> 
> >> I wonder if there is a way to set up alerts for stuff on the Marketplace?  
> >> I don’t do FB any more than I have to….
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT military M1911 pistol auction

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I forgot to ask mine when I was there on Wednesday.  Going back today probably, 
I’ll try to remember to ask.

It really doesn’t matter to me as I don’t see the value in buying one of these 
things.  I suspect they’re going to be frankenpistols made up of a lot of 
different worn parts.  For $1,000 I’lll buy a brand new one, thank you.

-D


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mine is not listed, but were surprised when I asked why they were not.  They 
> said they were.  But I have no  to buy anything  on the CMP
> 
> OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> When my son bought is Garand from the CMP, the CMP site listed a local gun
>> range as affiliated. He called the range and they told him that it was not
>> affiliated. He then call CMP, and they told him that yes, if he got a
>> membership card from them, and sent them a copy with his paperwork, all
>> would be good. He joined the range, made them provide a membership card,
>> which the staff there at the time didn't know about, and bought the Garand.
>> 
>> So, don't just assume that your club is not acceptable to the CMP . . .
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The spring kit "fix" is an abomination.  For my 108 sedan and 111 coupes I
made sure to remove the springs and replace them with an OEM rear axle
compensator.  Made a HUGE difference in ride and handling characteristics.
To paraphrase Dimitri, anyone who swaps in a rear axle spring kit is a
doofus.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ahh, I see that.  I may try this out.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes. You can do a search then it gives you the option to turn on alerts.
> It is not all that reliable though as I have happened across cars that had
> been posted for a while that never showed up on an alert.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would agree, but I’ve started watching it locally, as a couple of
> potential prospects have come up and sold well around here.  There was a
> 1969 250S that allegedly had a bad transmission in it that sold for like
> $3500 a couple of weeks ago.  I would have been all over that had I seen it
> in time.  It was really nice otherwise.  A Sun Valley rebuild (if it really
> needed it) would have been well worth dropping in it at that price.
> >>
> >> I wonder if there is a way to set up alerts for stuff on the
> Marketplace?  I don’t do FB any more than I have to….
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] A New Day Has Dawned

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looks like a blimpy minivan.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 2WD, appliance white, black interior.
> Doesn't get much more 'regular' than that.
> But why do so many people insist on putting the W designation on wagons?
> Isn't the chassis an S210?
>
> They're also auctioning a 1991 560SEC, for the 14th time.
> Mitch.
>
> > On June 1, 2018 at 8:43 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > BAT is auctioning a W210 second generation wagon.  I never thought I
> would see the day when they auctioned a “regular” W210 model.
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Re: [MBZ] OT military M1911 pistol auction

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Mine is not listed, but were surprised when I asked why they were not.  
They said they were.  But I have no  to buy anything  on the CMP


OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

When my son bought is Garand from the CMP, the CMP site listed a local gun
range as affiliated. He called the range and they told him that it was not
affiliated. He then call CMP, and they told him that yes, if he got a
membership card from them, and sent them a copy with his paperwork, all
would be good. He joined the range, made them provide a membership card,
which the staff there at the time didn't know about, and bought the Garand.

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Re: [MBZ] Andrew Missed His Chance...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Where have you been?  I already pigeonholed this for Kurley as a serious
upgrade to his firepower arsenal.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> You should have bid, man…
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1944-stuart-m5a1/?utm_
> source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-06-01
>
> -D
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[MBZ] Dirt cheap 1984 318i BMW on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This was a terrible car back In the day, but now it is merely boring and
cheap.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-bmw-318i-4/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-06-01
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Re: [MBZ] 2003 e320 wagon 82k miles

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My 35 yo wagon has none of those problems and (because?) I drive it every
day.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:20 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> So his mechanic offered him 700 and he took it.
>
> The car had an sls issue on the left rear, a stall issue when accelerating
> from stop, and a random gear selection issue. The drivers seat leather was
> torn. It had sone scratches. Anyway sounded like a headache.
>
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>
> > Not sure. He just wants to buy a new Volvo. I think he is thinking any
> > non-negative amount is a win. Will check.
> >
> > On Thu, May 31, 2018, 8:15 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >   I don't think anyone
> > has
> > > asked.
> > >
> > > How much does the person want for the car?
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Re: [MBZ] Don's New Plane

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Something interesting I learned the other day -- the guy who had the 
company that built Auburn, Duesenberg, and Cord automobiles also owned 
the Lycoming engine company.


--R (who spent his first 18 years or so not far from Auburn, and whose 
friend's grandfather (??) had the McIntyre truck company there back in 
the early part of the 1900s 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McIntyre_Automobile . 
https://natmus.org/about-us/ )


https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-luxury-classic-from-indianas-little-detroit-1527601480?mod=searchresults=1=1


 A Luxury Classic From Indiana’s ‘Little Detroit’


   An executive’s time in Connersville, Ind., sparks a love for the
   town’s automotive history and a car made there by industrialist E.L.
   Cord

By
A.J. Baime
May 29, 2018 9:44 a.m. ET
13 COMMENTS 
 



/Jim Weddle, 64, the managing partner of Edward Jones, in St. Louis, 
Mo., on his 1937 Cord 812 Phaeton, as told to A.J. Baime./


Forty-two years ago, my wife Stacey and I moved to Connersville, Ind., 
to open a branch office of the investment company Edward Jones. I had 
been an intern at the St. Louis headquarters while getting my MBA, and 
this was my first “real” job. I’ve been a car guy since I can remember, 
and what we found in Connersville was not just a great community, but 
what was to me an amazing automotive history.


In the 1920s and 30s, an industrialist named Errett Lobban (E.L.) Cord 
built Auburn and Duesenberg cars in Indiana. In 1929, he set out to 
build a car with his own name on it. Cord created a state-of-the-art car 
factory in Connersville to produce Cord and Auburn cars. Historians have 
called the small town Indiana’s “Little Detroit.”


When we moved there, my wife got a job at a company based in the old 
Cord assembly plant and you could see where the assembly line had once 
been.


Cord cars were luxurious and ahead of their time in terms of styling and 
engineering. Unfortunately, the Great Depression had a devastating 
effect on Indiana’s auto business. Auburn, Duesenberg, and Cord all 
ended production during the Depression.
But the people of Indiana still celebrate these cars. We would see Cords 
at July 4th parades in Connersville, and I remember saying to my wife 
years ago, “Someday we are going to own one of those cars.”


In 1984, we moved back to Edward Jones’ headquarters in St. Louis. Ten 
years ago, my wife and I fulfilled our goal of purchasing a Cord. We 
found our 812 Phaeton through a classic car broker, for $200,000—top 
dollar, but it was one of the best I have seen. E.L. Cord envisioned 
this car to be a “baby Duesenberg.” Coincidentally, our car was built 
during the final year of Cord’s production.


The car has front-wheel drive, retractable headlights controlled by 
cranks on either side of the dashboard, and a V-8 engine built by E.L. 
Cord’s Lycoming company. Our car had been restored before we bought it, 
and it is a delight to drive once you figure out its quirks. Our 
youngest son and his wife were driven from their wedding in our Cord, 
and our grandchildren delight in riding in the back seat with Gramps and 
Mimi.


Today, I have a collection of cars, but the Cord is a sentimental 
favorite. At the end of this year I will retire from Edward Jones, and 
traveling back to Connersville with this car is on my retirement bucket 
list.


—Contact A.J. Baime at Facebook.com/ajbaime 
.




On 6/1/18 8:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Forget the Luscombe, Don, you need one of these:

https://youtu.be/gMXfyV_nJSI

-D



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 On the one hand I can't disagree with you on the safety front, our species is 
singularly bad at accurately judging risk, look at all the people afraid to fly 
but willing to drive for instance.
On the other hand I like driving and some joy would be lost should I not be 
able to. Also how is a self-driving car going to deal with my cabin 3/4 mile 
from the road?
As for heavy traffic, our poorly designed cities and lack of public transport 
are largely to blame. When I go to LA I end up driving from LAX to Burbank 
which takes too long in the best of times. I'd love to be able to take the 
train but its so terribly inconvenient its actually easier to drive. Someday 
when the rail extension to the airport is done it might be feasible, I look at 
it each time I'm there and it seems like progress is being made but only when 
measured against the fact that I've been making this trip for a decade, the 
month to month progress seems to be essentially zero...
-Curt

On Friday, June 1, 2018, 1:42:04 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The bar is set fairly low in terms of human controlled car accident rates
and humans coping with unexpected failures.

There seems to be a greater willingness to accept human errors than machine
errors. Not sure this is entirely rational.

Humans are really bad drivers. If a machine can do it reliably better then
bring it on. When I am old, I dont think I will be saying I wish I spent
more time driving. The best car is the one you never have to drive, so you
can spend your limited time on earth doing more interesting stuff.

Think of all the consciousness wasted by people sitting in stop and go
traffic, concentrating on the bumper ahead. And the negative effects on
stress and mood. What a drain on humanity.

Why is a human running a red light and t boning me so much better than a
machine doing it? Or a machine wrecking my car instead of me somehow worse?
What matters is the overall performance across the population vs current
technology.

Ultimately the costs and benefits of these things will speak for
themselves. I'm pretty sure the machines are already better. Waymo has
driven millions of miles on public roads now. Fiat just sold them another
20k minivans to use as driverless taxis. You dont buy 20,000 minivans
unless you are pretty sure about what you are going to do with them.

  
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ahh, I see that.  I may try this out.

Thanks!

-D

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes. You can do a search then it gives you the option to turn on alerts. It 
> is not all that reliable though as I have happened across cars that had been 
> posted for a while that never showed up on an alert. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would agree, but I’ve started watching it locally, as a couple of 
>> potential prospects have come up and sold well around here.  There was a 
>> 1969 250S that allegedly had a bad transmission in it that sold for like 
>> $3500 a couple of weeks ago.  I would have been all over that had I seen it 
>> in time.  It was really nice otherwise.  A Sun Valley rebuild (if it really 
>> needed it) would have been well worth dropping in it at that price.
>> 
>> I wonder if there is a way to set up alerts for stuff on the Marketplace?  I 
>> don’t do FB any more than I have to….
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes. You can do a search then it gives you the option to turn on alerts. It is 
not all that reliable though as I have happened across cars that had been 
posted for a while that never showed up on an alert. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would agree, but I’ve started watching it locally, as a couple of potential 
> prospects have come up and sold well around here.  There was a 1969 250S that 
> allegedly had a bad transmission in it that sold for like $3500 a couple of 
> weeks ago.  I would have been all over that had I seen it in time.  It was 
> really nice otherwise.  A Sun Valley rebuild (if it really needed it) would 
> have been well worth dropping in it at that price.
> 
> I wonder if there is a way to set up alerts for stuff on the Marketplace?  I 
> don’t do FB any more than I have to….
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> From watching cars on Facebook I see stuff that I figured would have sold 
>> quick that sits for a long time. I’m not sure that is the best venue for 
>> selling cars. At least not these sorts of cars. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve seen a number that don’t.  Unfortunately, the paint is usually shot or 
>>> they need some sort of bodywork for repairs.
>>> 
>>> I’m not worried about surface rust underneath, but when I see deep rust on 
>>> the frame rails, rocker panels or in the back of the wheel wells, 
>>> especially if the undercoating is peeling off, I know there’s far more 
>>> lurking there.  That is a big bag ‘o’ hurt.
>>> 
>>> They’re out there, believe me.  I’ll find one, it’s just going to take a 
>>> while.
>>> 
>>> I would seriously consider this car if it were priced properly.  He’s got 
>>> it in the range of a near perfect car in today’s market, which it’s not.  
>>> I’m not keen about the shifter change, but that’s not a deal breaker. The 
>>> exterior looks pretty solid and all of the trim is intact.  Can’t tell 
>>> about the seals and rubber, but that’s always going to be an issue on these 
>>> cars simply due to age.  The interior looks pretty good, too.
>>> 
>>> But it’s not a $10k car in today’s market.  And I believe the market is 
>>> speaking as he’s still got it.
>>> 
>>> The 1969 W108 280SE I saw on Long Island the other night was a $10k car.  
>>> Low miles, well maintained, had a few warts but nothing significant.  It 
>>> was sold for $8500, but I believe the seller left money on the table.
>>> 
>>> I’ll guess that this car will continue to be in the Marketplace for a while.
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would agree, but I’ve started watching it locally, as a couple of potential 
prospects have come up and sold well around here.  There was a 1969 250S that 
allegedly had a bad transmission in it that sold for like $3500 a couple of 
weeks ago.  I would have been all over that had I seen it in time.  It was 
really nice otherwise.  A Sun Valley rebuild (if it really needed it) would 
have been well worth dropping in it at that price.

I wonder if there is a way to set up alerts for stuff on the Marketplace?  I 
don’t do FB any more than I have to….

-D


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> From watching cars on Facebook I see stuff that I figured would have sold 
> quick that sits for a long time. I’m not sure that is the best venue for 
> selling cars. At least not these sorts of cars. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve seen a number that don’t.  Unfortunately, the paint is usually shot or 
>> they need some sort of bodywork for repairs.
>> 
>> I’m not worried about surface rust underneath, but when I see deep rust on 
>> the frame rails, rocker panels or in the back of the wheel wells, especially 
>> if the undercoating is peeling off, I know there’s far more lurking there.  
>> That is a big bag ‘o’ hurt.
>> 
>> They’re out there, believe me.  I’ll find one, it’s just going to take a 
>> while.
>> 
>> I would seriously consider this car if it were priced properly.  He’s got it 
>> in the range of a near perfect car in today’s market, which it’s not.  I’m 
>> not keen about the shifter change, but that’s not a deal breaker. The 
>> exterior looks pretty solid and all of the trim is intact.  Can’t tell about 
>> the seals and rubber, but that’s always going to be an issue on these cars 
>> simply due to age.  The interior looks pretty good, too.
>> 
>> But it’s not a $10k car in today’s market.  And I believe the market is 
>> speaking as he’s still got it.
>> 
>> The 1969 W108 280SE I saw on Long Island the other night was a $10k car.  
>> Low miles, well maintained, had a few warts but nothing significant.  It was 
>> sold for $8500, but I believe the seller left money on the table.
>> 
>> I’ll guess that this car will continue to be in the Marketplace for a while.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

From watching cars on Facebook I see stuff that I figured would have sold quick 
that sits for a long time. I’m not sure that is the best venue for selling 
cars. At least not these sorts of cars. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve seen a number that don’t.  Unfortunately, the paint is usually shot or 
> they need some sort of bodywork for repairs.
> 
> I’m not worried about surface rust underneath, but when I see deep rust on 
> the frame rails, rocker panels or in the back of the wheel wells, especially 
> if the undercoating is peeling off, I know there’s far more lurking there.  
> That is a big bag ‘o’ hurt.
> 
> They’re out there, believe me.  I’ll find one, it’s just going to take a 
> while.
> 
> I would seriously consider this car if it were priced properly.  He’s got it 
> in the range of a near perfect car in today’s market, which it’s not.  I’m 
> not keen about the shifter change, but that’s not a deal breaker. The 
> exterior looks pretty solid and all of the trim is intact.  Can’t tell about 
> the seals and rubber, but that’s always going to be an issue on these cars 
> simply due to age.  The interior looks pretty good, too.
> 
> But it’s not a $10k car in today’s market.  And I believe the market is 
> speaking as he’s still got it.
> 
> The 1969 W108 280SE I saw on Long Island the other night was a $10k car.  Low 
> miles, well maintained, had a few warts but nothing significant.  It was sold 
> for $8500, but I believe the seller left money on the table.
> 
> I’ll guess that this car will continue to be in the Marketplace for a while.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you think any of these that still exist would have ‘some’ rust?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Never mind.  Rust inboard of the right front rocker.  Also converted from a 
>>> column shift to a floor shift.  Weird.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I just asked.  The owner sent me pictures.  The underside is clean, very 
 clean.  And it has the spring on the rear axle, not the hydro-compensator.
 
 -D
 
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve seen a number that don’t.  Unfortunately, the paint is usually shot or 
they need some sort of bodywork for repairs.

I’m not worried about surface rust underneath, but when I see deep rust on the 
frame rails, rocker panels or in the back of the wheel wells, especially if the 
undercoating is peeling off, I know there’s far more lurking there.  That is a 
big bag ‘o’ hurt.

They’re out there, believe me.  I’ll find one, it’s just going to take a while.

I would seriously consider this car if it were priced properly.  He’s got it in 
the range of a near perfect car in today’s market, which it’s not.  I’m not 
keen about the shifter change, but that’s not a deal breaker. The exterior 
looks pretty solid and all of the trim is intact.  Can’t tell about the seals 
and rubber, but that’s always going to be an issue on these cars simply due to 
age.  The interior looks pretty good, too.

But it’s not a $10k car in today’s market.  And I believe the market is 
speaking as he’s still got it.

The 1969 W108 280SE I saw on Long Island the other night was a $10k car.  Low 
miles, well maintained, had a few warts but nothing significant.  It was sold 
for $8500, but I believe the seller left money on the table.

I’ll guess that this car will continue to be in the Marketplace for a while.

-D


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you think any of these that still exist would have ‘some’ rust?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Never mind.  Rust inboard of the right front rocker.  Also converted from a 
>> column shift to a floor shift.  Weird.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just asked.  The owner sent me pictures.  The underside is clean, very 
>>> clean.  And it has the spring on the rear axle, not the hydro-compensator.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Do you think any of these that still exist would have ‘some’ rust?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Never mind.  Rust inboard of the right front rocker.  Also converted from a 
> column shift to a floor shift.  Weird.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just asked.  The owner sent me pictures.  The underside is clean, very 
>> clean.  And it has the spring on the rear axle, not the hydro-compensator.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What was it originally?
>>> 
>>> You should go check it out and tell me if it’s rusty underneath.  Then I 
>>> can offer them $7k.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Check out what I found on Facebook Marketplace.
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1658774267511991
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not at their price.  It’s a $6,000 car, maybe, with the stuff that’s goobered 
up on it.  That and the paint is pretty tired, but that’s not a deal breaker.

I pointed out that there was rust and the undercoating was peeling off as a 
result and they said it wasn’t so.  Whatever.

-D


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So are you getting more interested now?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just asked.  The owner sent me pictures.  The underside is clean, very 
>> clean.  And it has the spring on the rear axle, not the hydro-compensator.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What was it originally?
>>> 
>>> You should go check it out and tell me if it’s rusty underneath.  Then I 
>>> can offer them $7k.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Check out what I found on Facebook Marketplace.
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1658774267511991
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Never mind.  Rust inboard of the right front rocker.  Also converted from a 
column shift to a floor shift.  Weird.

-D


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I just asked.  The owner sent me pictures.  The underside is clean, very 
> clean.  And it has the spring on the rear axle, not the hydro-compensator.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What was it originally?
>> 
>> You should go check it out and tell me if it’s rusty underneath.  Then I can 
>> offer them $7k.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Check out what I found on Facebook Marketplace.
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1658774267511991
>>> 
>>> 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So are you getting more interested now?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I just asked.  The owner sent me pictures.  The underside is clean, very 
> clean.  And it has the spring on the rear axle, not the hydro-compensator.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What was it originally?
>> 
>> You should go check it out and tell me if it’s rusty underneath.  Then I can 
>> offer them $7k.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I just asked.  The owner sent me pictures.  The underside is clean, very clean. 
 And it has the spring on the rear axle, not the hydro-compensator.

-D


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> What was it originally?
> 
> You should go check it out and tell me if it’s rusty underneath.  Then I can 
> offer them $7k.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

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It was $12k. If you are serious and get some preliminary info I will go look at 
it.

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> On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What was it originally?
> 
> You should go check it out and tell me if it’s rusty underneath.  Then I can 
> offer them $7k.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What was it originally?

You should go check it out and tell me if it’s rusty underneath.  Then I can 
offer them $7k.

-D


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[MBZ] Price drop. Poos better hurry

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Check out what I found on Facebook Marketplace.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1658774267511991


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[MBZ] Recent discussion about hands-free phone device

[Craig via Mercedes]

There arrived today in my email one from Overdrive about "5 tools to get
the job done". The web page for that is at:

http://click1.email.overdriveonline.com/ViewMessage.do?m=wwdvsswl=svcbmrjvmr=athgcmvldrtlrcdymvhrygcmchcbslldbzl=1527856001=view

If you just want the Spring Gear Guide web page, it's at:

https://www.overdriveonline.com/gear/spring-gear-guide-has-info-tips-on-bluetooth-headsets-and-more/

And, finally, if you want the Guide itself, it's at:

https://www.paperturn-view.com/us/das/truckers-gear-guide-spring-edition?pid=MjM23963=1.52_medium=TruckersNews-Site-Skins_campaign=Rewards

You can view it online if you would like or download a PDF (which is
2 MB).

It contains:

The Truckers Guide to Bluetooth® Headsets
Introducing New RoadKing® Noise-canceling Headsets
Plantronics® Voyager 104 Headset
BlueParrott® B450-XT Headset
BlueParrott® B250-XT Headset
Pro Driver Tip
Garmin® Garmin Speak™
Garmin® dēzl™ 580 LMT-S GPS
Mobile Tech Shopping Centers on America’s Highways
Survey Results: A Series of Questions about Mobile Technology?
Mophie® Power Banks
Skullcandy® Inkʼd Wireless Earbuds
TomTom® Trucker 620 GPS
Start the Crusade for Safety with Your CB Radio
Cobra® 29 LTD & 29 LX MAX CB Radios
Cobra® CDR 855 BT Dash Cam
New RoadKing® Heavy-duty Mobile Device Cases


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] .'help'

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Done.

-D


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Hans Neureiter via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] .'help'

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Hans, you've been here forever,what happened?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] A New Day Has Dawned

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

2WD, appliance white, black interior.
Doesn't get much more 'regular' than that. 
But why do so many people insist on putting the W designation on wagons?
Isn't the chassis an S210?

They're also auctioning a 1991 560SEC, for the 14th time. 
Mitch.

> On June 1, 2018 at 8:43 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> 
> BAT is auctioning a W210 second generation wagon.  I never thought I would 
> see the day when they auctioned a “regular” W210 model.

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[MBZ] Don's New Plane

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Forget the Luscombe, Don, you need one of these:

https://youtu.be/gMXfyV_nJSI

-D



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[MBZ] .'help'

[Hans Neureiter via Mercedes]

please undubscribe

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[MBZ] Andrew Missed His Chance...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You should have bid, man…

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1944-stuart-m5a1/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-06-01

-D


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Re: [MBZ] A New Day Has Dawned

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Link:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2001-mercedes-benz-e320-3/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-06-01


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:43 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> 
> BAT is auctioning a W210 second generation wagon.  I never thought I would 
> see the day when they auctioned a “regular” W210 model.
> 
> -D
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[MBZ] A New Day Has Dawned

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

BAT is auctioning a W210 second generation wagon.  I never thought I would see 
the day when they auctioned a “regular” W210 model.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Elon Musk's very awkward moment...

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Karl,

I think this comes down to individual liberty (and the responsibility that
goes with it) vs. the serfdom of handing over control to the "other".

Just like I don't want the government or the health insco deciding on my
healthcare options, I don't want to pay extra for people I've never met and
never will meet to completely control my car and my family when riding in
that car.  I'd much rather take the risk and control my own life, than hand
over control.

A car is an immensely liberating invention.  A car is hugely important for
individual financial success.  In my case a dependable car is vitally
necessary for hurricane evacuation.

Yes, the bar is EXTREMELY high for an autonomous car to take over the job
that I can do just fine, thank you.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:41 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The bar is set fairly low in terms of human controlled car accident rates
> and humans coping with unexpected failures.
>
> There seems to be a greater willingness to accept human errors than machine
> errors. Not sure this is entirely rational.
>
> Humans are really bad drivers. If a machine can do it reliably better then
> bring it on. When I am old, I dont think I will be saying I wish I spent
> more time driving. The best car is the one you never have to drive, so you
> can spend your limited time on earth doing more interesting stuff.
>
> Think of all the consciousness wasted by people sitting in stop and go
> traffic, concentrating on the bumper ahead. And the negative effects on
> stress and mood. What a drain on humanity.
>
> Why is a human running a red light and t boning me so much better than a
> machine doing it? Or a machine wrecking my car instead of me somehow worse?
> What matters is the overall performance across the population vs current
> technology.
>
> Ultimately the costs and benefits of these things will speak for
> themselves. I'm pretty sure the machines are already better. Waymo has
> driven millions of miles on public roads now. Fiat just sold them another
> 20k minivans to use as driverless taxis. You dont buy 20,000 minivans
> unless you are pretty sure about what you are going to do with them.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6's

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Is a different tranny gonna talk to the nannies ok and everybody be happy?  
Would you need to re-educate the nannies?

--R
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> On May 31, 2018, at 11:45 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So, the 722.664 in my 2001 E320 4matic is not happy.  These are not hugely
> common, a good rebuilt is $2250 and wrecked ones are four figures.
> 
> The u-pull has a wrecked 1999 ML320 (4wd) that has a 722.662 in it.
> What's so different that I can't spend $150 and some weekend hours
> to maybe get my would-be winter car going?
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6's

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I was of the impression that the output shaft arrangement was different on the 
4Matics than the standard sedans.  Probably something that could be swapped, 
but…

-D


> On Jun 1, 2018, at 7:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Well first of all what is the issue you are having?
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 31, 2018, at 10:45 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So, the 722.664 in my 2001 E320 4matic is not happy.  These are not hugely
>> common, a good rebuilt is $2250 and wrecked ones are four figures.
>> 
>> The u-pull has a wrecked 1999 ML320 (4wd) that has a 722.662 in it.
>> What's so different that I can't spend $150 and some weekend hours
>> to maybe get my would-be winter car going?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6's

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Well first of all what is the issue you are having?

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> On May 31, 2018, at 10:45 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> So, the 722.664 in my 2001 E320 4matic is not happy.  These are not hugely
> common, a good rebuilt is $2250 and wrecked ones are four figures.
> 
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> What's so different that I can't spend $150 and some weekend hours
> to maybe get my would-be winter car going?
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