Re: [MBZ] The river
I would make some snarky remark about being able to fly out, but our grass strip is too muddy to get the plane onto, much less taking off from, and it's raining right now ... On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 9:18 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The river flooding warning earlier today said river was expected to drop > below flood stage early Saturday morning. I expect that means we might be > able to get out after that. There is currently another large storm headed > this way and now the warning says river is expected to rise tomorrow > afternoon and now won’t drop below flood stage until Wednesday. So if that > is the case I will be on Okie Acres Island for a while longer. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:44:07 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > I suspect a brake proportioning valve turns the dash light on when the > brake pressures are out of balance. > > http://www.classicperform.com/Instructions/PDF/PVK.pdf A vehicle I had a long time ago had one of these which required a manual reset after the brakes had been imbalanced, like in bleeding. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The river
On Fri, 24 May 2019 21:18:05 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > The river flooding warning earlier today said river was expected to > drop below flood stage early Saturday morning. I expect that means we > might be able to get out after that. There is currently another large > storm headed this way and now the warning says river is expected to > rise tomorrow afternoon and now won’t drop below flood stage until > Wednesday. So if that is the case I will be on Okie Acres Island for a > while longer. Where is The River? Do you have enough food and water? I presume you have electricity and telephone. Will you have time to look for the parts about which I emailed you? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I suspect a brake proportioning valve turns the dash light on when the brake pressures are out of balance. http://www.classicperform.com/Instructions/PDF/PVK.pdf > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 10:36 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > > Must be the back since they are not properly adjusted yet. > > What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is the brake warning light in > the > cluster. It comes on when the parking brake is set. Also, when I was pushing > the pedal the other day it was off, but would come on as the pedal got close > to > the floor. Today it seems to stay on all the time. As far as I can tell, > there is no > electrical connection at the MC. Supposedly the light indicates if the > parking > brake is on or if there is a braking issue. I wonder if there is some switch > somewhere in the system that if the pedal goes too far to the floor it turns > the > light on. I can't seem to find much info on exactly what is tied into that > light. > > On 5/24/2019 9:27 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > > Remember that the MC has two sections (front and back brakes). Sounds > like one of them isn't working. > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > >> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 4:42 PM > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List > >> Cc: Kaleb Striplin > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > >> > >> The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather > >> than the vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s > >> not expensive or hard to replace so I will probably replace it. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 24, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > >> wrote: > >>> I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. > >>> Which leads me to this: > >>> If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is > >>> leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also > >>> leaking, just a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with > >>> brake vacuum booster behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm > >>> in the vac brake booster, which means, you do not get "full brake > >>> assist" from the brake > >> booster. > >>> Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak > >>> sucking when you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. > >>> > >>> Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, > >>> ALWAYS replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. > >>> It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap > >>> and still are. > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so > that is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes > either today or tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or > I somehow still have air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or > air on master cylinder or it’s bad, it if it was bad I would think > it would start > >> sinking to the floor. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > > > wrote: > > In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. > > If > they > > don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to > > pull the drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could > > be why you > never > > had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and > > took the drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they > > should, since > the > > shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. > > > > That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the > > brake, so something is not where it should be. > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or > >> I > guess > >> I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, > >> they > still > >> looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a > >> ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >>> If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > >>> If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up > >>> the > >> wheel, > >>> then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. > >> First > >>> couple of
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Usually uneven front-rear breaking is one of the things that turns on the brake idiot light. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 10:36 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > > Must be the back since they are not properly adjusted yet. > > What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is the brake warning light in > the > cluster. It comes on when the parking brake is set. Also, when I was pushing > the pedal the other day it was off, but would come on as the pedal got close > to > the floor. Today it seems to stay on all the time. As far as I can tell, > there is no > electrical connection at the MC. Supposedly the light indicates if the > parking > brake is on or if there is a braking issue. I wonder if there is some switch > somewhere in the system that if the pedal goes too far to the floor it turns > the > light on. I can't seem to find much info on exactly what is tied into that > light. > > On 5/24/2019 9:27 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > > Remember that the MC has two sections (front and back brakes). Sounds > like one of them isn't working. > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > >> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 4:42 PM > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List > >> Cc: Kaleb Striplin > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > >> > >> The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather > >> than the vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s > >> not expensive or hard to replace so I will probably replace it. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 24, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > >> wrote: > >>> I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. > >>> Which leads me to this: > >>> If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is > >>> leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also > >>> leaking, just a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with > >>> brake vacuum booster behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm > >>> in the vac brake booster, which means, you do not get "full brake > >>> assist" from the brake > >> booster. > >>> Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak > >>> sucking when you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. > >>> > >>> Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, > >>> ALWAYS replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. > >>> It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap > >>> and still are. > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so > that is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes > either today or tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or > I somehow still have air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or > air on master cylinder or it’s bad, it if it was bad I would think > it would start > >> sinking to the floor. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > > > wrote: > > In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. > > If > they > > don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to > > pull the drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could > > be why you > never > > had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and > > took the drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they > > should, since > the > > shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. > > > > That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the > > brake, so something is not where it should be. > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or > >> I > guess > >> I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, > >> they > still > >> looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a > >> ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >>> If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > >>> If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up > >>> the > >> wheel, > >>> then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. > >> First > >>> couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn > >>> free >
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Must be the back since they are not properly adjusted yet. What I am trying to figure out is what the deal is the brake warning light in the cluster. It comes on when the parking brake is set. Also, when I was pushing the pedal the other day it was off, but would come on as the pedal got close to the floor. Today it seems to stay on all the time. As far as I can tell, there is no electrical connection at the MC. Supposedly the light indicates if the parking brake is on or if there is a braking issue. I wonder if there is some switch somewhere in the system that if the pedal goes too far to the floor it turns the light on. I can't seem to find much info on exactly what is tied into that light. On 5/24/2019 9:27 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: Remember that the MC has two sections (front and back brakes). Sounds like one of them isn't working. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 4:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather than the vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s not expensive or hard to replace so I will probably replace it. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. Which leads me to this: If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also leaking, just a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with brake vacuum booster behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm in the vac brake booster, which means, you do not get "full brake assist" from the brake booster. Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak sucking when you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, ALWAYS replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap and still are. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so that is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes either today or tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or I somehow still have air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or air on master cylinder or it’s bad, it if it was bad I would think it would start sinking to the floor. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. If they don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull the drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why you never had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took the drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they should, since the shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the brake, so something is not where it should be. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I guess I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they still looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the wheel, then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. First couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with no drag. OR, Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, [clever huh?] My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out of limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Remember that the MC has two sections (front and back brakes). Sounds like one of them isn't working. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 4:42 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Kaleb Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes > > The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather than the > vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s not expensive or > hard > to replace so I will probably replace it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. > > Which leads me to this: > > If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is > > leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also leaking, > > just a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with brake vacuum > > booster behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm in the vac brake > > booster, which means, you do not get "full brake assist" from the brake > booster. > > Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak sucking > > when you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. > > > > Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, > > ALWAYS replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. > > It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap and > > still are. > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so > >> that is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes either > >> today or tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or I > >> somehow still have air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or air on > >> master cylinder or it’s bad, it if it was bad I would think it would start > sinking to the floor. > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > >>> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. > >>> If > >> they > >>> don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull > >>> the drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why > >>> you > >> never > >>> had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took > >>> the drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they > >>> should, since > >> the > >>> shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. > >>> > >>> That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the > >>> brake, so something is not where it should be. > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I > >> guess > I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they > >> still > looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a > ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > > > If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > > If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up > > the > wheel, > > then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. > First > > couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn > > free > >> with > > no drag. > > OR, > > Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, > >> multiple > > times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. > > The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing > > up, [clever huh?] My personal preference is to manually adjust > > them so I can actually > >> feel > > that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. > > > > You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. > > > > Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? > > It's possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and > > are now > >> out > of > > limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels > >> remove > >> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > >> > >>> On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > >>> Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting > >>> them adjust out on their own. > >>> > On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > So have you adjusted out the rear
[MBZ] The river
The river flooding warning earlier today said river was expected to drop below flood stage early Saturday morning. I expect that means we might be able to get out after that. There is currently another large storm headed this way and now the warning says river is expected to rise tomorrow afternoon and now won’t drop below flood stage until Wednesday. So if that is the case I will be on Okie Acres Island for a while longer. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W163 Motor Mounts
Anyone ever done these? Mine are toast. Ordering a set at the dealer tomorrow, a whopping $30/each. Looks like a pig of a job. I’ve read a couple of threads on them on BW, but curious as to anyone here with direct experience. -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this
Touche. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 9:25 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yup. That would be a BaT car for sure. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: May 24, 2019 8:44 AM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: astr...@indiana.edu > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this > > Sounds like bullshit to me. Who, owning such a car and wanting to sell it, > would just post it on CL? > > Allan > > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: > > > Own a piece of history - Chuck Berry’s Personal Mercedes Benz S500 > > > > > https://stlouis.craigslist.org/clt/d/saint-louis-own-piece-of-history-chuck/6895852682.html > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2011 Mercedes 350ML Diesel fixer for Andrew
I emailed the seller asking about the codes. Here is the reply: *I think it indicated a timing chain issue. I'm not a mechanic.* On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 3:06 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Wow, that is some impressive data card! > > On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 2:57 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> The hitch is factory, the leather imitation (MB-Tex?) >> >> http://mb-teilekatalog.info/view_DatacardAction.php?lang=E=4JGBB2FB9BA748813 >> >> > On May 23, 2019 at 2:32 PM Kevin Kraly via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/d/portland-2011-mercedes-350ml-diesel/6895563218.html >> > >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
That could be my problem then. I will tackle that tomorrow. I had just expected the brakes to work OK with the fronts working until the rears adjusted out. On 5/24/2019 5:38 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: You won't have a pedal until you get the rear brakes adjusted. Drum brake cylinders are pretty big, and unlike disk brakes, the shoes retract completely every application. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
You won't have a pedal until you get the rear brakes adjusted. Drum brake cylinders are pretty big, and unlike disk brakes, the shoes retract completely every application. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Yes, replace the Cheby with a Mercedes ... On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:36 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc > brakes > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > >> I hate drum brakes. > > > > IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their > > quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need > boosters > > to get good braking. > > > > -- Jim > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Memorial Day Sale
I bought one of those 10 or 15 years ago - used it to cut a lot of steel and some wood. It finally died last year - the worm gear that turns the reciprocating mechanism stripped. Replaced it with another one - we'll see how it goes. I did have a 1/2" HF drill that I tried to use to mix floor leveling cement with - it burst into flames in my hands! Replaced it with a Porter cable 1/2" drill, and it mixed many a bag of cement, etc. without complaining at all, and is still going, so yes, it often pays to buy a decent tool. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:03 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I bought one of the $20 recip saws a few years back, was $20 then too! > That thing refuses to die, and I have abused it. It surprises me > greatly. I did have to replace one of the allen screws that holds the > saw guard and do a bit of a mod but that was nothing. > > --FT > > On 5/24/19 1:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > I just got an email from HF about their > > > > ★ MEMORIAL DAY ★ 4 Day Sale ★ Starts Today★ > > > > One of the items on sale is their 4-1/2 in. 4.3 Amp Angle Grinder > > > > > https://www.harborfreight.com/4-12-in-43-Amp-Angle-Grinder-69645.html?ccdenc=eyJjb2RlIjoiNDAyNjQ0NjQiLCJza3UiOiI2OTY0NSIsImlzIjoiOS45OSIsInByb2R1Y3RfaWQi%0D%0AOiI5MDQ4In0%3D%0D%0A_source=1021_medium=email_campaign=2119b_memorialday_engaged=mEmail_s1021_c2119b_memorialday_engaged=55,259,045 > > > > for just $9.99. > > > > Having heard disparaging remarks about HF's electrical tools on this > > list, I decided to read the comments. One had me laughing out loud, > > the comment of CJK on 13 May 2019: > > > >Cheap enough to have 10 on hand > > > >I buy these because they are dirt cheap. I like to have several > >on hand. 1 for cutting 1 for grinding 1 for a hot spare when > >1 of the other 2 start smoking. > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Ok thanks. As I said, I hate drum brakes and have not messed with them in many years Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > I asked my mechanic son about your problem and if there was anything special > about a 96 Chevy. > > He said not. He agreed that you need to tighten up the rear shoes to the > point where they drag a bit. > > He said that even if the front brakes were fine before you started working on > the rear brakes, the brakes would not feel right until you got the back > brakes set up properly. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I asked my mechanic son about your problem and if there was anything special about a 96 Chevy. He said not. He agreed that you need to tighten up the rear shoes to the point where they drag a bit. He said that even if the front brakes were fine before you started working on the rear brakes, the brakes would not feel right until you got the back brakes set up properly. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Memorial Day Sale
I bought one of the $20 recip saws a few years back, was $20 then too! That thing refuses to die, and I have abused it. It surprises me greatly. I did have to replace one of the allen screws that holds the saw guard and do a bit of a mod but that was nothing. --FT On 5/24/19 1:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: I just got an email from HF about their ★ MEMORIAL DAY ★ 4 Day Sale ★ Starts Today★ One of the items on sale is their 4-1/2 in. 4.3 Amp Angle Grinder https://www.harborfreight.com/4-12-in-43-Amp-Angle-Grinder-69645.html?ccdenc=eyJjb2RlIjoiNDAyNjQ0NjQiLCJza3UiOiI2OTY0NSIsImlzIjoiOS45OSIsInByb2R1Y3RfaWQi%0D%0AOiI5MDQ4In0%3D%0D%0A_source=1021_medium=email_campaign=2119b_memorialday_engaged=mEmail_s1021_c2119b_memorialday_engaged=55,259,045 for just $9.99. Having heard disparaging remarks about HF's electrical tools on this list, I decided to read the comments. One had me laughing out loud, the comment of CJK on 13 May 2019: Cheap enough to have 10 on hand I buy these because they are dirt cheap. I like to have several on hand. 1 for cutting 1 for grinding 1 for a hot spare when 1 of the other 2 start smoking. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Memorial Day Sale
On Fri, 24 May 2019 13:45:11 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > I bought one of these a couple of years ago. > https://www.lowes.com/pd/PORTER-CABLE-4-1-2-in-7-Amp-Trigger-Switch-Corded-Angle-Grinder/1208961 > I do not recall the exact price but I think it was on sale and I got it > for less than the amount now listed. > No problems with it. > I think one is better served by non-throw-away tools. I agree. I have an Hitachi drill and an Hitachi grinder I got from Big Sky Tools, refurbished Grade "A" and refurbished Grade "C". They work well and look like new. Like everyone else, they are having a sale now, https://bigskytool.com/sale.html/ Some things they have on sale now are: https://bigskytool.com/hitachi-d10vh-3-8-drill-60-amp-evs-reversible-reconditioned.html Hitachi D10VH 3/8" Drill 6.0 Amp, EVS, Reversible (Reconditioned Grade A) Condition: A Price Special Price $9.95 Note: This has a "keyless" chuck. https://bigskytool.com/husky-mini-palm-nailer-c-hdpmpn.html Husky Mini Palm Nailer Condition: C Price Special Price $5.00 https://bigskytool.com/freeman-pmpn-mini-palm-nailer-reconditioned-1.html Freeman PMPN Mini-Palm Nailer (Reconditioned Grade C) Condition: C Price Special Price $6.00 Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I seem to recall something about a tool, I may end up having to get one. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > I know my 99 Suburban needed some special tool to bleed the brakes... > something to open up the valves in the ABS unit. Its one of the few things > I've ever farmed out to a local shop. He replaced all the lines, wheel > cylinders, and calipers. The bleed screws were frozen and it was cheap to > get new parts than pay him to deal with it! > > Jaime > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 3:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> It’s not new, I have no idea how old it is. It’s possible it got sucked >> dry but I would think after adding new fluid and getting clear bubble free >> flow at all of the wheels the air should be out, but I could be wrong. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" writes: >>> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels >> remove that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? >>> >>> If it's a new MC, you usually need to do a "bench bleed" before >>> installing. >>> >>> If it got low enough on fluid to suck air, not sure. >>> >>> Allan >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
The braking effort seems fine. This has the hydro boost brakes rather than the vacuum booster. I’m still suspecting the MC is weak. It’s not expensive or hard to replace so I will probably replace it. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 3:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. > Which leads me to this: > If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is > leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also leaking, just > a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with brake vacuum booster > behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm in the vac brake booster, > which means, you do not get "full brake assist" from the brake booster. > Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak sucking when > you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. > > Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, ALWAYS > replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. > It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap and still > are. > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so that >> is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes either today or >> tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or I somehow still have >> air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or air on master cylinder or it’s >> bad, it if it was bad I would think it would start sinking to the floor. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. If >> they >>> don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull the >>> drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why you >> never >>> had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took the >>> drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they should, since >> the >>> shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. >>> >>> That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the brake, >>> so something is not where it should be. >>> >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I >> guess I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they >> still looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the wheel, > then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. First > couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free >> with > no drag. > OR, > Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, >> multiple > times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. > The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, > [clever huh?] > My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually >> feel > that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. > > You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. > > Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's > possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now >> out of > limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels >> remove >> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? >> >>> On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them >>> adjust out on their own. >>> On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would >> be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs >> unit, > then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and >> no > bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking.
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I know my 99 Suburban needed some special tool to bleed the brakes... something to open up the valves in the ABS unit. Its one of the few things I've ever farmed out to a local shop. He replaced all the lines, wheel cylinders, and calipers. The bleed screws were frozen and it was cheap to get new parts than pay him to deal with it! Jaime On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 3:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It’s not new, I have no idea how old it is. It’s possible it got sucked > dry but I would think after adding new fluid and getting clear bubble free > flow at all of the wheels the air should be out, but I could be wrong. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" writes: > > > >> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels > remove > >> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > > > > If it's a new MC, you usually need to do a "bench bleed" before > > installing. > > > > If it got low enough on fluid to suck air, not sure. > > > > Allan > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I'm glad you mentioned that leading wheel cylinder issue. Which leads me to this: If the brake fluid is rank, which it was, and the wheel cylinder is leaking, it's likely the master cylinder rubber cups are also leaking, just a bit. When master cylinder leaks on Chebbys with brake vacuum booster behind it, the brake fluid eats the diaphragm in the vac brake booster, which means, you do not get "full brake assist" from the brake booster. Eventually, the leak will get so bad you can hear vacuum leak sucking when you press the brakes, which are not doing their job. Could you have a failed or failing vac brake booster? If you do, ALWAYS replace booster and master cylinder as a pair. It's a Chebby falt point. might just be why brakes have been crap and still are. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:55 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so that > is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes either today or > tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or I somehow still have > air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or air on master cylinder or it’s > bad, it if it was bad I would think it would start sinking to the floor. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. If > they > > don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull the > > drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why you > never > > had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took the > > drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they should, since > the > > shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. > > > > That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the brake, > > so something is not where it should be. > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I > guess > >> I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they > still > >> looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at > >> the edge. I hate drum brakes. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > >>> If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the > >> wheel, > >>> then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. > >> First > >>> couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free > with > >>> no drag. > >>> OR, > >>> Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, > multiple > >>> times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. > >>> The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, > >>> [clever huh?] > >>> My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually > feel > >>> that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. > >>> > >>> You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. > >>> > >>> Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's > >>> possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now > out > >> of > >>> limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels > remove > that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > > > On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them > > adjust out on their own. > > > >> On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >> So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would > be > >> my > >> next move. > >> - > >> Max > >> Charleston SC > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs > unit, > >>> then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > >>> about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and > no > >>> bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little > >> braking. > >>> Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of > >>> braking > >>> action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop > >>> pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted > >> out > >>> yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does > >> return > >>> but its not an instant
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
It’s not new, I have no idea how old it is. It’s possible it got sucked dry but I would think after adding new fluid and getting clear bubble free flow at all of the wheels the air should be out, but I could be wrong. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" writes: > >> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove >> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > > If it's a new MC, you usually need to do a "bench bleed" before > installing. > > If it got low enough on fluid to suck air, not sure. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
My 96 Silverado has rear drums, I had to replace the cylinders a year or so ago as one was leaking badly, I just ran the adjuster until the shoes were tight against the drum then went and did the back and forth thing. They settled in quick. --FT On 5/24/19 3:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: This is a 96 and it has drums. I think rear disk stated with the next body. My 02 has them. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: What year is it? Later years went to disc I think after 1995 for chebby. so a 96 and up diff would fit with discs. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:36 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc brakes Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I hate drum brakes. IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need boosters to get good braking. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
The rear wheel cylinders were leaking and contaminated the shoes so that is why o replaced all that. I’m going to adjust the shoes either today or tomorrow then see what happens. It’s either that or I somehow still have air on the lines, which I can’t see how. Or air on master cylinder or it’s bad, it if it was bad I would think it would start sinking to the floor. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. If they > don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull the > drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why you never > had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took the > drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they should, since the > shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. > > That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the brake, > so something is not where it should be. > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I guess >> I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they still >> looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at >> the edge. I hate drum brakes. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. >>> If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the >> wheel, >>> then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. >> First >>> couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with >>> no drag. >>> OR, >>> Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple >>> times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. >>> The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, >>> [clever huh?] >>> My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel >>> that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. >>> >>> You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. >>> >>> Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's >>> possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out >> of >>> limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? >>> >>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them > adjust out on their own. > >> On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: >> So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be >> my >> next move. >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> >> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, >>> then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran >>> about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no >>> bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little >> braking. >>> Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of >>> braking >>> action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop >>> pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted >> out >>> yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does >> return >>> but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. >> Also, >>> when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or >>> oven >>> 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the >> red >>> brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the >>> manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do >> not >>> see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than >>> they >>> were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never >>> very >>> good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly >>> new also. >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com >
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" writes: > If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove > that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? If it's a new MC, you usually need to do a "bench bleed" before installing. If it got low enough on fluid to suck air, not sure. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
This is a 96 and it has drums. I think rear disk stated with the next body. My 02 has them. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 2:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > What year is it? > Later years went to disc I think after 1995 for chebby. so a 96 and up > diff would fit with discs. > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:36 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc >> brakes >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: >> I hate drum brakes. >>> >>> IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their >>> quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need >> boosters >>> to get good braking. >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I think you put the adjustment tool in a little slot in the backer plate to push on the toothed wheel on the adjuster? If the drum is on you can't get at it. The wheel should not interfere unless it makes it easier to get at the back of the brake assembly --FT On 5/24/19 3:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I guess I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they still looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the wheel, then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. First couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with no drag. OR, Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, [clever huh?] My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out of limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them adjust out on their own. On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of braking action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or oven 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than they were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never very good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly new also. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
In the interest of time and effort, try adjusting them, wheels on. If they don't adjust out enough to lock up the wheel, then it's time to pull the drums and take them to FLAPS to be measured for ID. Could be why you never had good brakes to start with, some dip wit did a brake job and took the drums beyond limit, so even though they "look fresh" they should, since the shoes weren't rubbing on them, ha. That truck should be able to lock up the wheels when you stomp the brake, so something is not where it should be. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I guess > I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they still > looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at > the edge. I hate drum brakes. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > > If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the > wheel, > > then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. > First > > couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with > > no drag. > > OR, > > Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple > > times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. > > The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, > > [clever huh?] > > My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel > > that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. > > > > You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. > > > > Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's > > possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out > of > > limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove > >> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > >> > >>> On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > >>> Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them > >>> adjust out on their own. > >>> > On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be > my > next move. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, > > then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > > about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no > > bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little > braking. > > Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of > > braking > > action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop > > pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted > out > > yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does > return > > but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. > Also, > > when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or > > oven > > 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the > red > > brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the > > manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do > not > > see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than > > they > > were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never > > very > > good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly > > new also. > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > >>> --- > >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >>> https://www.avg.com > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
What year is it? Later years went to disc I think after 1995 for chebby. so a 96 and up diff would fit with discs. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:36 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc > brakes > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > >> I hate drum brakes. > > > > IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their > > quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need > boosters > > to get good braking. > > > > -- Jim > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I wonder is there is a reasonably priced way to upgrade them to disc brakes Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: >> I hate drum brakes. > > IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their > quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need boosters > to get good braking. > > -- Jim > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
> I hate drum brakes. IMHO they are an extraordinarily elegant design, but not without their quirks and limitations. My favorite part is that they don't need boosters to get good braking. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
I will probably pull the wheels back off and adjust the shoes, or I guess I could do it with the wheels on. I did not measure the drums, they still looked good with very little wear, at least they did not have a ridge at the edge. I hate drum brakes. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2019, at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. > If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the wheel, > then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. First > couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with > no drag. > OR, > Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple > times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. > The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, > [clever huh?] > My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel > that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. > > You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. > > Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's > possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out of > limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove >> that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? >> >>> On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them >>> adjust out on their own. >>> On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, > then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no > bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. > Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of > braking > action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop > pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out > yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return > but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, > when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or > oven > 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red > brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the > manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not > see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than > they > were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never > very > good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly > new also. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
If you want bad brakes, rely on the automatic adjusters. If you want good full pedal, adjust the shoes till they lock up the wheel, then back the adjuster off until you just can feel a very light drag. First couple of hard stops will "wear in" the shoes and you will turn free with no drag. OR, Find a clear area and back up, hit the brakes while backing up, multiple times ie pump, pump, pump.. pull forward and do it again and again. The only time automatic adjusters engage is when you are backing up, [clever huh?] My personal preference is to manually adjust them so I can actually feel that I have full contact, then back the adj off a touch. You will much improve pedal travel and brake contact. Question: Did you measure the rear drums when you had them off? It's possible they were turned to the limit at last brake job and are now out of limit large, so even new shoes won't fill the space? On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove > that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? > > On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them > > adjust out on their own. > > > > On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >> So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my > >> next move. > >> - > >> Max > >> Charleston SC > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, > >>> then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > >>> about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no > >>> bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. > >>> Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of > >>> braking > >>> action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop > >>> pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out > >>> yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return > >>> but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, > >>> when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or > >>> oven > >>> 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red > >>> brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the > >>> manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not > >>> see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than > >>> they > >>> were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never > >>> very > >>> good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly > >>> new also. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
If the master cylinder has air in it, will bleeding at the wheels remove that air, or does it need to be bled in a separate procedure? On 5/24/2019 1:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them adjust out on their own. On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of braking action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or oven 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than they were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never very good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly new also. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Insco Update 1995 E300
Paging Dan (the Parts Man) - do you have the eBay store link for the turn signals for '95 124? They are the second generation clear type. Picked up the car this afternoon, but Geico still trying to figure out what my buy-back cost will be. Going to start gathering up parts and then either put on the new fender myself (if I can get the right color Midnight Blue 904). I've already got a headlight assembly on the shelf, in case that is also damaged. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Memorial Day Sale
I bought one of these a couple of years ago. https://www.lowes.com/pd/PORTER-CABLE-4-1-2-in-7-Amp-Trigger-Switch-Corded-Angle-Grinder/1208961 I do not recall the exact price but I think it was on sale and I got it for less than the amount now listed. No problems with it. I think one is better served by non-throw-away tools. On 24/05/2019 12:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: I just got an email from HF about their ★ MEMORIAL DAY ★ 4 Day Sale ★ Starts Today★ One of the items on sale is their 4-1/2 in. 4.3 Amp Angle Grinder https://www.harborfreight.com/4-12-in-43-Amp-Angle-Grinder-69645.html?ccdenc=eyJjb2RlIjoiNDAyNjQ0NjQiLCJza3UiOiI2OTY0NSIsImlzIjoiOS45OSIsInByb2R1Y3RfaWQi%0D%0AOiI5MDQ4In0%3D%0D%0A_source=1021_medium=email_campaign=2119b_memorialday_engaged=mEmail_s1021_c2119b_memorialday_engaged=55,259,045 for just $9.99. Having heard disparaging remarks about HF's electrical tools on this list, I decided to read the comments. One had me laughing out loud, the comment of CJK on 13 May 2019: Cheap enough to have 10 on hand I buy these because they are dirt cheap. I like to have several on hand. 1 for cutting 1 for grinding 1 for a hot spare when 1 of the other 2 start smoking. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Memorial Day Sale
I have one on the shelf to replace the p/n 91223 grinder I'm using now when it dies - it's #2 - the first lasted five years of intermittent use. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 1:00 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 24 May 2019 11:41:29 -0600 Craig wrote: > > > Having heard disparaging remarks about HF's electrical tools on this > > list, I decided to read the comments. One had me laughing out loud, > > the comment of CJK on 13 May 2019: > > > > Cheap enough to have 10 on hand > > > > I buy these because they are dirt cheap. I like to have several > > on hand. 1 for cutting 1 for grinding 1 for a hot spare when > > 1 of the other 2 start smoking. > > Runner-ups are: > > Great Value > > We have several right angle grinders from this 4.3 amp model > up to a 7” Makita. All have their purpose. Just use this grinder > accordingly and it will last a long time. Very useful for light > steel cutting and brushing. We have several of these light weight > grinders that we use for brushing welds. We keep at least two set > up at each station and swap between them to not overheat them. > Works great for the price. > > TSSRA, 11 May 2019 > > > > Great for light use > > Used with a cutting wheel and worked perfect. Will it last? > Well it made it past the first week of use. Time will tell > > Bryan, 29 Apr 2019 > > > > Worth every penny > > My grinder burned up 72 hours after buying it. The tool worked > hard before burning up with about 12 hours of work. I returned > it to the store and they replaced it with "ZERO" hassle. The > replacement works just fine. > > John B., 25 Apr 2019 > > > > So cheap, you might not need the wrench! > > This grinder is really cheap. If you burn it up, buy a good one > from a name brand supplier. I use mine to avoid lost time changing > cutting wheels and for lending out to protect my Milwaukee. > > BCVolkert, 14 Apr 2019 > > > > It's my son's, but I'm gonna borrow it... > > I saw a guy do the most amazing thing with his the other day. > He wanted to shave a little bit off the hand wheel/ balance wheel > he was putting on an old [sewing] machine. It wasn't an official > replacement, and it interfered with the inner clutch release handle. > He doesn't have a machine shop, so he tilted his angle grinder to > the side, and stepped on the speed controller for the sewing > machine. When the hand wheel was spinning, he used the angle grinder > to just grind a tiny bit off the inner edge of the wheel. Mind > blown. It just opens up so many possibilities when you think outside > the box! NOTE: NOT A RECOMMENDED USE OF THE TOOL. IF YOU TRY IT, > YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN, LIABILITY WISE. > > Daredevil, 12 Apr 2019 > > > > This is the one to GET!! > > Small light weight cleared my honeydew list in a week and it was > fun!! Happy wife happy life- > > Jason, 10 Apr 2019 > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Yea I guess I could try that. I had planned on just letting them adjust out on their own. On 5/24/2019 1:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of braking action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or oven 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than they were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never very good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly new also. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
So have you adjusted out the rear brake drums? If not, that would be my next move. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, > then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran > about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no > bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. > Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of braking > action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop > pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out > yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return > but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, > when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or oven > 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red > brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the > manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not > see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than they > were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never very > good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly new also. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chebby brakes
Ok, I a bled the crap out of it. I did the bleeder at the abs unit, then did all the wheels again started and RR, the LR, RF, LF. I ran about 3qts of fluid thru it. At all wheels I have clean fluid and no bubbles coming out. Took it out and it still has very little braking. Pedal goes probably 3/4 of the way to the floor till any sort of braking action happens. It will stop, but not very fast and would not stop pulling a trailer. Even if the back brakes were not fully adjusted out yet it would be better than this. When I pump the pedal it does return but its not an instant return as soon as you left off the pedal. Also, when just holding steady pressure at about the half pedal travel or oven 3/4 travel pedal does not sink it seems to stay steady. Also, the red brake lite is on that would come on if the parking brake is on, the manual says this indicates a brake problem. No joke. I really do not see how I could still have air in the lines. Brakes are worse than they were before I replaced the rear wheel cylinders but they were never very good in the first place. The front calipers and hoses are fairly new also. On 5/22/2019 10:02 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb wrote: ... it just feels like it has no brakes at all, pedal seems to be going nearly to the floor. I am sure the rear drums are not adjusted all the way out yet but I would not think that would cause it to go to the floor. If there is not resistance for the slave cylinders to push against, much of the pressure of the master cylinder will not do much. If that is the case, there should be front brakes - but the pedal will not feel very stiff. Does the pedal come up when if you pump it? That points to "loose" slaves and not air. Does the pedal sink under steady pressure? That is a leak - most often past the piston seals in the master cylinder. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight Memorial Day Sale
On Fri, 24 May 2019 11:41:29 -0600 Craig wrote: > Having heard disparaging remarks about HF's electrical tools on this > list, I decided to read the comments. One had me laughing out loud, > the comment of CJK on 13 May 2019: > > Cheap enough to have 10 on hand > > I buy these because they are dirt cheap. I like to have several > on hand. 1 for cutting 1 for grinding 1 for a hot spare when > 1 of the other 2 start smoking. Runner-ups are: Great Value We have several right angle grinders from this 4.3 amp model up to a 7” Makita. All have their purpose. Just use this grinder accordingly and it will last a long time. Very useful for light steel cutting and brushing. We have several of these light weight grinders that we use for brushing welds. We keep at least two set up at each station and swap between them to not overheat them. Works great for the price. TSSRA, 11 May 2019 Great for light use Used with a cutting wheel and worked perfect. Will it last? Well it made it past the first week of use. Time will tell Bryan, 29 Apr 2019 Worth every penny My grinder burned up 72 hours after buying it. The tool worked hard before burning up with about 12 hours of work. I returned it to the store and they replaced it with "ZERO" hassle. The replacement works just fine. John B., 25 Apr 2019 So cheap, you might not need the wrench! This grinder is really cheap. If you burn it up, buy a good one from a name brand supplier. I use mine to avoid lost time changing cutting wheels and for lending out to protect my Milwaukee. BCVolkert, 14 Apr 2019 It's my son's, but I'm gonna borrow it... I saw a guy do the most amazing thing with his the other day. He wanted to shave a little bit off the hand wheel/ balance wheel he was putting on an old [sewing] machine. It wasn't an official replacement, and it interfered with the inner clutch release handle. He doesn't have a machine shop, so he tilted his angle grinder to the side, and stepped on the speed controller for the sewing machine. When the hand wheel was spinning, he used the angle grinder to just grind a tiny bit off the inner edge of the wheel. Mind blown. It just opens up so many possibilities when you think outside the box! NOTE: NOT A RECOMMENDED USE OF THE TOOL. IF YOU TRY IT, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN, LIABILITY WISE. Daredevil, 12 Apr 2019 This is the one to GET!! Small light weight cleared my honeydew list in a week and it was fun!! Happy wife happy life- Jason, 10 Apr 2019 Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Harbor Freight Memorial Day Sale
I just got an email from HF about their ★ MEMORIAL DAY ★ 4 Day Sale ★ Starts Today★ One of the items on sale is their 4-1/2 in. 4.3 Amp Angle Grinder https://www.harborfreight.com/4-12-in-43-Amp-Angle-Grinder-69645.html?ccdenc=eyJjb2RlIjoiNDAyNjQ0NjQiLCJza3UiOiI2OTY0NSIsImlzIjoiOS45OSIsInByb2R1Y3RfaWQi%0D%0AOiI5MDQ4In0%3D%0D%0A_source=1021_medium=email_campaign=2119b_memorialday_engaged=mEmail_s1021_c2119b_memorialday_engaged=55,259,045 for just $9.99. Having heard disparaging remarks about HF's electrical tools on this list, I decided to read the comments. One had me laughing out loud, the comment of CJK on 13 May 2019: Cheap enough to have 10 on hand I buy these because they are dirt cheap. I like to have several on hand. 1 for cutting 1 for grinding 1 for a hot spare when 1 of the other 2 start smoking. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this
Yup. That would be a BaT car for sure. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: May 24, 2019 8:44 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: astr...@indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this Sounds like bullshit to me. Who, owning such a car and wanting to sell it, would just post it on CL? Allan Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: > Own a piece of history - Chuck Berry’s Personal Mercedes Benz S500 > > https://stlouis.craigslist.org/clt/d/saint-louis-own-piece-of-history-chuck/6895852682.html > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this
https://youtu.be/9jKrHzps0XM?t=19 I bought a brand-new air-mobile It was custom-made, 'twas a Flight De Ville With a powerful motor and some hideaway wings Push in on the button and you will hear her sing [Chorus] Now you can't catch me, baby you can't catch me 'Cause if you get too close, you know I'm gone like a cool breeze [Verse 2] New Jersey Turnpike in the wee, wee hours I was rolling slowly because of drizzling showers Here come a flat-top, he was moving up with me Then come waving goodbye in a little old souped-up jitney I put my foot on my tank and I began to roll Moaning siren, 'twas a state patrol So I let out my wings and then I blew my horn Bye-bye New Jersey, I've become airborne [Chorus] [Verse 3] Flying with my baby last Saturday night Wasn't a gray cloud floating in sight Big full moon shining up above Cuddle up honey, be my love Sweetest little thing I've ever seen I'm going to name you Maybellene Flying on the beam, set on flight control Radio tuned to rock and roll Two, three hours done passed us by Altitude dropped to 5:05 Fuel consumption way too fast Let's get on home before we run out of gas - Max Charleston SC On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Own a piece of history - Chuck Berry’s Personal Mercedes Benz S500 > > > https://stlouis.craigslist.org/clt/d/saint-louis-own-piece-of-history-chuck/6895852682.html > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this
Documentation showing the legitimacy of the story behind this amazing vehicle and it’s world renown owner, will be shown upon request (only for serious inquiries) On 5/24/19 8:44 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Sounds like bullshit to me. Who, owning such a car and wanting to sell it, would just post it on CL? Allan Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: Own a piece of history - Chuck Berry’s Personal Mercedes Benz S500 https://stlouis.craigslist.org/clt/d/saint-louis-own-piece-of-history-chuck/6895852682.html Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this
Sounds like bullshit to me. Who, owning such a car and wanting to sell it, would just post it on CL? Allan Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: > Own a piece of history - Chuck Berry’s Personal Mercedes Benz S500 > > https://stlouis.craigslist.org/clt/d/saint-louis-own-piece-of-history-chuck/6895852682.html > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
