Re: [MBZ] Re W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
One thing to remember with the halogen bulbs is you aren't supposed to touch 
them bare handed. The oils from your fingers get on the glass and severely 
shorten their useful lifespan. I have had silver star ultras last several years 
(800-1000 hours).


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] Re W211 Headlight Bulbs

I have been buying Orsam-Sylvania H7 (halogen) bulbs from O’Reilly’s.  They
sell four different price levels of H7 from Basic to XtraVision to
SilverStar to SilverStar Ultra.  Each successive level represents an
increase in lumens, color temperature and projected beam distance.  But if
you read the small print on the back of the bulb packages, you’ll see as
the price (and performance levels) increase, the life expectancies
decrease.  Last night O’Reilly’s did not have a Basic or SilverStar Ultra
available.  I picked up a $17 XtraVision that has a life expectancy of 150
hours.  I noted the $25 SilverStar is expected to last only about 83 hours.

Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] Re W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 23:18:35 -0400
Allan Streib via Mercedes  wrote:

> For a local parts source I usually go to NAPA. It's often a bit more
> expensive but parts (even their house brands) are decent quality, the
> counter people are clean and professional, and warranties have never
> been a hassle. I notice that almost all the good indy shops get parts
> from NAPA or the relevant dealer.

This is true, but after I replaced TWO NAPA alternators on our BRV, I
went with an O'Reilly alternator.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Re W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> Buying from Amazon means buying from every Tom, Dick, and Harry who 
> subscribe to 'Fulfillment by Amazon' because Amazon commingles inventory 
> with them.

My moto is that if it goes in my body I won't buy it from Amazon.
Supplements, cold/allergy remedies, contact lens supplies, etc.

More and more I feel that way about car parts as well. It's just not
worth the cost savings to have to re-do the job in a few months when the
counterfeit part fails, even if they are willing to exchange it.

I find O'Reilly, AutoZone, RockAuto etc. parts are pretty much low-end
junk, though if they sell a brand such as Sylvania or Motorcraft I will
likely believe that it's genuine.

For a local parts source I usually go to NAPA. It's often a bit more
expensive but parts (even their house brands) are decent quality, the
counter people are clean and professional, and warranties have never
been a hassle. I notice that almost all the good indy shops get parts
from NAPA or the relevant dealer.

For OEM online parts I'm using FCPEuro these days.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 20:45:03 -0400
Allan Streib via Mercedes  wrote:

> Is Daniel Stern still in business? He used to be the go-to guy on the
> old mbz.org list for anything to do with lighting.

Yes, he is. At least he was in late 2018. I "talked" with him about
lights for our Kenworth W900 (with four each 4x6" lamps) and bought
some good high beam lights and bulbs from him.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Re W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I really liked the output and color of the Silver Star and Silver Star Ultras, 
but as you mentioned, I found the useful lives of these pretty lousy. At nearly 
$30/pair it was tough to justify replacing them on a regular basis.

-D

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2020-10-13 22:43, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have been buying Orsam-Sylvania H7 (halogen) bulbs from O’Reilly’s.
> 
> Good. I doubt they have counterfeiters in their supply chain.
> 
> Buying from Amazon means buying from every Tom, Dick, and Harry who subscribe 
> to 'Fulfillment by Amazon' because Amazon commingles inventory with them.
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Re: [MBZ] Re W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

On 2020-10-13 22:43, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes wrote:

I have been buying Orsam-Sylvania H7 (halogen) bulbs from O’Reilly’s.


Good. I doubt they have counterfeiters in their supply chain.

Buying from Amazon means buying from every Tom, Dick, and Harry who 
subscribe to 'Fulfillment by Amazon' because Amazon commingles inventory 
with them.


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Re: [MBZ] Mechnical interest/aptitude is not inherited

2020-10-13 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
The computer on those cars does what it can to help when they are overheated. 
As far as non-mechanically inclined children go, they drive Toyota's. I got 
tired of semi classic, but rusty benzes getting destroyed.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] Mechnical interest/aptitude is not inherited

Oldest boy was driving the Focus home tonight. Temperature got hot. He
continued to drive. Temperature got hotter. He stopped and put what
water he had in the reservoir (maybe a quart). He noted steam escaping
from the left hand side of the engine. He got back in and drove home.

I go out to try to refill the coolant, and now it's just pouring out
around the flange of the thermostat housing.

I swear I eyeballed the reservoir tank when I replaced the alternator a
few weeks ago and it was fine.

Hoping it's just a failed gasket. The zetec engine supposedly has some
protection that will shut down cylinders to pump air through the engine
if it's getting too hot. Hopefully that still works.

I was rebuilding engines at age 16. This kid hardly understands how an
engine works and doesn't seem interested to learn. Which is fine, not
everyone is into that stuff, but it's a little weird how different he
and I are.

Allan

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[MBZ] Re W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread ned kleinhenz via Mercedes
I have been buying Orsam-Sylvania H7 (halogen) bulbs from O’Reilly’s.  They
sell four different price levels of H7 from Basic to XtraVision to
SilverStar to SilverStar Ultra.  Each successive level represents an
increase in lumens, color temperature and projected beam distance.  But if
you read the small print on the back of the bulb packages, you’ll see as
the price (and performance levels) increase, the life expectancies
decrease.  Last night O’Reilly’s did not have a Basic or SilverStar Ultra
available.  I picked up a $17 XtraVision that has a life expectancy of 150
hours.  I noted the $25 SilverStar is expected to last only about 83 hours.

Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] Mechnical interest/aptitude is not inherited

2020-10-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Accept it, Allen.

I’ve got two boys (men, really), one of which has no interest in cars or even 
maintaining then, it’s just transportation from point A to point B. However, 
when tasked, he’s actually done his own repairs, but that was during a fairly 
short period of time a few years ago and has not occurred since. Not sure what 
the impetus was, but it apparently passed and has not returned.

My youngest isn’t so much into cars, but he understands the value of 
maintaining his and is very good about conducting routine maintenance and even 
repairs when they’ve been necessary. He has a good grasp of how internal 
combustion engines operate and could probably figure most things out with a 
combination of research and tinkering.

It’s clearly not something that’s a part of their DNA.

I don’t fret about it too much. I just offer to assist when necessary and 
gladly offer insight and advice whenever they’re looking over my shoulder when 
they pass by in the garage and I’m working. Our generation was a lot different 
in so many ways, I just accept it as a generational thing and do my best to 
kindle anything in the way of interest when it pops up.

-D


> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:54 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oldest boy was driving the Focus home tonight. Temperature got hot. He
> continued to drive. Temperature got hotter. He stopped and put what
> water he had in the reservoir (maybe a quart). He noted steam escaping
> from the left hand side of the engine. He got back in and drove home.
> 
> I go out to try to refill the coolant, and now it's just pouring out
> around the flange of the thermostat housing.
> 
> I swear I eyeballed the reservoir tank when I replaced the alternator a
> few weeks ago and it was fine.
> 
> Hoping it's just a failed gasket. The zetec engine supposedly has some
> protection that will shut down cylinders to pump air through the engine
> if it's getting too hot. Hopefully that still works.
> 
> I was rebuilding engines at age 16. This kid hardly understands how an
> engine works and doesn't seem interested to learn. Which is fine, not
> everyone is into that stuff, but it's a little weird how different he
> and I are.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] I am looking to buy a jump box

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 08:56:52 -0700
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Subject: [MBZ] Wheels for W210
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So our E320 (2000, 4wd) is finally ready to take over for the X5, but I still
need to find a set of snow tire wheels for it.  I have two differently-styled
16" wheels for it, and there was nothing at the junkyard last time I went.
Winter is Coming, as they say.

Will 15" wheels (of any sort) fit this car?  I'd actually prefer tires with some
degree of sidewall to them rather than the near-rubber-band tires that
are apparently stock on this thing.  The plan is to put Hakkapeliittas on it.

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Looks like a E320 is 7.5x16ET41 with 66.6mm center
https://www.wheel-size.com/size/mercedes/e-class/2000/

An E250 can be 7x15ET37 with probably the same suspension

A W202 can have 7x15ET37 x 66.6.
That's where I'd look for cheap wheels.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/392579244965


Or just buy the 7.5x16s, I think I paid $50-60 shipped for the W210
wheel I bought on eBay several years ago.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333709924198



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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:23:14 -0600
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 08:56:52 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
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> Will 15" wheels (of any sort) fit this car?  I'd actually prefer tires
> with some degree of sidewall to them rather than the near-rubber-band
> tires that are apparently stock on this thing.  The plan is to put
> Hakkapeliittas on it.

See file attached.


Craig
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[MBZ] Mechnical interest/aptitude is not inherited

2020-10-13 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Oldest boy was driving the Focus home tonight. Temperature got hot. He
continued to drive. Temperature got hotter. He stopped and put what
water he had in the reservoir (maybe a quart). He noted steam escaping
from the left hand side of the engine. He got back in and drove home.

I go out to try to refill the coolant, and now it's just pouring out
around the flange of the thermostat housing.

I swear I eyeballed the reservoir tank when I replaced the alternator a
few weeks ago and it was fine.

Hoping it's just a failed gasket. The zetec engine supposedly has some
protection that will shut down cylinders to pump air through the engine
if it's getting too hot. Hopefully that still works.

I was rebuilding engines at age 16. This kid hardly understands how an
engine works and doesn't seem interested to learn. Which is fine, not
everyone is into that stuff, but it's a little weird how different he
and I are.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

On 2020-10-13 20:45, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Is Daniel Stern still in business? He used to be the go-to guy on the
old mbz.org list for anything to do with lighting.


http://www.danielsternlighting.com/

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Is Daniel Stern still in business? He used to be the go-to guy on the
old mbz.org list for anything to do with lighting.

Allan


Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> On 2020-10-13 17:50, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Enough piracy of their bulbs that they have a QR code on “real” ones
>> you can scan and verify authenticity on their web site. I bought some
>> real HID lamps a few months ago and they were around $50/each. You
>> could find all sorts of pirated ones on eBay and elsewhere for half
>> that.
>
> I paid something like $15/pr for honest Chinese junk for the W140. 
> Anything cheaper was the wrong color. They worked, and they matched the 
> color of the good OSRAM HID lamp that was in the car when I bought it.
>
> I think OSRAM were $35-40ea at the time.
>

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

On 2020-10-13 17:50, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Enough piracy of their bulbs that they have a QR code on “real” ones
you can scan and verify authenticity on their web site. I bought some
real HID lamps a few months ago and they were around $50/each. You
could find all sorts of pirated ones on eBay and elsewhere for half
that.


I paid something like $15/pr for honest Chinese junk for the W140. 
Anything cheaper was the wrong color. They worked, and they matched the 
color of the good OSRAM HID lamp that was in the car when I bought it.


I think OSRAM were $35-40ea at the time.

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Re: [MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Enough piracy of their bulbs that they have a QR code on “real” ones you can 
scan and verify authenticity on their web site. I bought some real HID lamps a 
few months ago and they were around $50/each. You could find all sorts of 
pirated ones on eBay and elsewhere for half that.

-D

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-10-13 17:06, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> More importantly, what brand bulbs have you been using? Many are junk,
>> even brand name ones.
> 
> Good point. I know there are counterfeit OSRAM/Sylvania bulbs out there, and 
> some of them appear to have more money spent on making the fake OSRAM box 
> than in making the bulb. I still think the Lesjofours (spelling) springs I 
> bought on eBay five years ago are fakes, but the boxes are reasonably 
> convincing.
> 
> I'll buy some things from eBay or Amazon, but never again car parts unless 
> they're used OE or coming from a known vendor like Discount Tire. (Discount 
> Tire's eBay store sold me a set of Generals for the 210 wagon for less than 
> Discount Tire or Discount Tire Online would)
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

On 2020-10-13 17:06, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

More importantly, what brand bulbs have you been using? Many are junk,
even brand name ones.


Good point. I know there are counterfeit OSRAM/Sylvania bulbs out there, 
and some of them appear to have more money spent on making the fake 
OSRAM box than in making the bulb. I still think the Lesjofours 
(spelling) springs I bought on eBay five years ago are fakes, but the 
boxes are reasonably convincing.


I'll buy some things from eBay or Amazon, but never again car parts 
unless they're used OE or coming from a known vendor like Discount Tire. 
(Discount Tire's eBay store sold me a set of Generals for the 210 wagon 
for less than Discount Tire or Discount Tire Online would)


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Re: [MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
More importantly, what brand bulbs have you been using? Many are junk, even 
brand name ones.

-D

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> LEDs = lots of unfocused light to blind other drivers with.
> Some LEDs try to approximate filament bulbs, and those which allow you to 
> rotate them for best orientation are coming closer than ever, but none of 
> them really focus right with reflector/lens made for hot filament bulbs.
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes



LEDs = lots of unfocused light to blind other drivers with.
Some LEDs try to approximate filament bulbs, and those which allow you 
to rotate them for best orientation are coming closer than ever, but 
none of them really focus right with reflector/lens made for hot 
filament bulbs.


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[MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

2020-10-13 Thread ned kleinhenz via Mercedes
My ’06 E320 CDI has gone through a number of the H7 headlamp bulbs in my
120,000+ miles of use.   Each H7 bulb only lasts for some tens or at most a
couple hundred hours.   I notice there are some LED H7 bulbs now available
for reasonable prices.  Original H7 halogen bulbs cost $10 to $20 and some
of the LED’s cost ~$30 to $60.  I wonder what actual experience has been
with the LED bulbs.



Has anybody tried the LED bulbs and are able to share their experience?



Thanks,
Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] I was nearly killed today

2020-10-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

On 2020-10-13 15:39, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
She is married to Christopher Guest, so she is probably a bit smarter 
than

commonly appreciated.


I don't think marriage implies that her head is either empty or full.
A mockumentary comedian would never marry an empty headed actress?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] I was nearly killed today

2020-10-13 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
She is married to Christopher Guest, so she is probably a bit smarter than
commonly appreciated.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 10:06 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I always thought she was really hot but she doesn't seem too bright.
>
> I saw her daddy jogging in BH once with a woman who was like half (or
> maybe a third) his age, she was very cute.  I'm sure she loved him for
> his personality.
>
> --FT
>
> On 10/12/20 12:56 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Ran into her on the sidewalk in Dec carrying a vase of a dozen roses for
> my
> > wife's B-day. She put out her arms, looked straight at me, gave me a
> > surprised look and said "FOR ME!???".  Then said "BEAUTIFUL" and walked
> by.
> >
> > These people are in showbiz for a reason.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 4:25 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Is that like Jaimie Lee Curtis’ “bifidus regularus”?
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Oct 8, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> You can take some laxatives to help avert that
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iPhone
> >>>
>  On Oct 8, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  When I strained my rectus muscle
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Re: [MBZ] Wheels for W210

2020-10-13 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 08:56:52 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
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> Will 15" wheels (of any sort) fit this car?  I'd actually prefer tires
> with some degree of sidewall to them rather than the near-rubber-band
> tires that are apparently stock on this thing.  The plan is to put
> Hakkapeliittas on it.

See file attached.


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Re: [MBZ] Wheels for W210

2020-10-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes



Looks like a E320 is 7.5x16ET41 with 66.6mm center
https://www.wheel-size.com/size/mercedes/e-class/2000/

An E250 can be 7x15ET37 with probably the same suspension

A W202 can have 7x15ET37 x 66.6.
That's where I'd look for cheap wheels.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/392579244965


Or just buy the 7.5x16s, I think I paid $50-60 shipped for the W210 
wheel I bought on eBay several years ago.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/333709924198

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[MBZ] Wheels for W210

2020-10-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
So our E320 (2000, 4wd) is finally ready to take over for the X5, but I still
need to find a set of snow tire wheels for it.  I have two differently-styled
16" wheels for it, and there was nothing at the junkyard last time I went.
Winter is Coming, as they say.

Will 15" wheels (of any sort) fit this car?  I'd actually prefer tires with some
degree of sidewall to them rather than the near-rubber-band tires that
are apparently stock on this thing.  The plan is to put Hakkapeliittas on it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

2020-10-13 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I have been driving the $675ML500 (well, $700 now that I spent $25 on a 
new ignition switch) a bit the last few days and I concur.  It is bouncy 
and twitchy on bumpy roads (like my driveway), very stiff suspension, 
tall, short wheelbase.  On smooth roads it is not bad but as soon as it 
hits a bump in the road or a dip or hole of some sort, it bounces all 
over again.  I find it somewhat tiring to drive just from the fairly 
short trips I have taken.  I recall the former wife's 164 being softer 
and less harsh in the steering and suspension, so it was fairly 
comfortable on longer drives.


I went on a little ramble on Sunday, went down a dirt road to visit some 
friends, we had big rains Saturday evening so there were some large 
fairly deep pits filled with water, the sand gets soft but not really 
muddy, I was quite impressed with how it went right through those spots, 
I could feel the 4m pulling it along but there was no torque steering or 
anything like that as I have noticed on my 4WD trucks and the old Jeep 
Cherokee I had -- a lot more "agricultural" feel to the systems.  Seems 
a pretty refined system.


The 4m on the 211 E320 wagon is fairly not noticeable although I have 
driven it a bit through a wet field (grass) and I could feel it pulling 
right along on the wet grass, so that was gratifying. The 210 might have 
gotten mired up in that.


-_FT

On 10/13/20 9:13 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would agree with your observations on the W163. Definitely more of a truck 
than a car.

-D


On Oct 13, 2020, at 9:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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Interesting...have they been trying to sell it since Thanksgiving, or did they 
sell it, buy it back and list it at a higher price?

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=562277598


As for the W163...after 3 years and 3000 miles, I think it's like a 210, but shorter, 
bouncier, heavier (body on frame), with a two range transfer case and C-class 
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

2020-10-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I would agree with your observations on the W163. Definitely more of a truck 
than a car.

-D

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 9:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> Interesting...have they been trying to sell it since Thanksgiving, or did 
> they sell it, buy it back and list it at a higher price?
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> As for the W163...after 3 years and 3000 miles, I think it's like a 210, but 
> shorter, bouncier, heavier (body on frame), with a two range transfer case 
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Re: [MBZ] senior citizen owned and driven

2020-10-13 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Yeah. That. Or get it for $2500, drive it til it croaks, then dispose of it or 
swap in a new engine. 

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> Mitch beat me to it.
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> Also until the oil cooler starts leaking and you have to replace the seal.
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>> Might be a decent deal?
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>> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2006-mercedes-350/721167.html
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